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Testing. Testing.
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You want to hear?
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Can you hear me?
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It's it's working pretty good.
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Yeah.
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Excellent.
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Good morning, Payson. You guys get up there, Joseph.
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Good morning. We can hear you loud and clear.
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Hello, Sheriff.
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And are we good on YouTube?
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We have sound and everything today.
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Right on. Well, welcome everybody to our May 23rd regular meeting. It is 10:00 o'clock and we will start.
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Ohh.
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Molly.
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You want to lead us in the pledge this morning? And then after the pledge, we'll have the invocation by Pastor Rory.
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Growlers, Restoration Church, outpace and I think you're on pace and so go ahead Molly.
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Not.
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Hey.
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It's.
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Enter.
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Maybe we don't have him. Roy. Roy, would you want this this morning for us?
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So sure, I think we're absent on a pastor this morning.
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Where we come before you this morning in humility, thanks. Thank you for this beautiful country.
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The country we live in.
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The freedom.
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And the country we're able to worship.
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Was freedom in?
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And the freedom to self govern. We pray for your wisdom today.
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For the board supervisors and the many decisions.
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We thank you for the people that are here and their interest in.
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The youth and their interest in all of the population around Heeler County.
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We asked to bless his time.
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In Jesus name.
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Thank you, Roy.
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OK. So we'll get started here, Sam, you're good. OK, We'll start with two, a presentation on the Arizona Alpine Trail and its
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activities in HeLa County. Mr. Jerry Smith. Jerry, if you want to step up there.
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Do we have a mic for that?
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It's a new one. OK, good.
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OK.
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Thank you.
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Ohh.
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Carmen Klein and Supervisor Christian Simmons.
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Supervisor Humphrey, thank you for allowing me to be here today.
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My name is Jerry Smith. I'm president of the Arizona Alpine Trail. We are A501C3.
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And we are an O HV which is off Hwy. vehicle meaning mostly.
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Side by sides and a TV type of equipment.
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But the trail is also suitable in places for.
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Hiking.
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Equestrian.
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Viking.
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Wow.
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Hiking.
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Almost all modes, jeeps, cars can even go on part of it.
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You have a.
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Presentation there.
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Umm.
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I have a a another hat that I wear. Umm, I'm, I'm a council member of and trying top lakeside.
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So I know how boring it can get if I just read you the.
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Presentation that you that you've already have in front of you. So I'm gonna spend my time outside of that kind of filling in the
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gaps and and giving everybody a chance to answer questions if they will.
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Umm.
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Our partner.
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Alright, first of all, the the Arizona Alpine Trail.
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Is not a small undertaking.
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It goes from Payson.
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To Hannigan Meadow.
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In that.
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Regard we have a lot of.
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Partners. And I'll tell you about those in just a minute.
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But what we will be operating under is a master plan. It will look like this. It's about an inch thick.
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A master plan is generated by an engineering company, Logan Simpson out of Tempe, AZ.
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They have.
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We are in the process of contracting with them to do this.
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Kind of a document, very comprehensive, covers the entire trail, covers all of the towns that are affected by this, the counties,
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the Ranger districts and all everybody that's involved in this trail.
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Um.
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They will be starting their process of of generating this document.
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Ohh once we get our grant to pay for it.
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Our major partner is Arizona State Parks and Trails.
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They have.
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A I'll call it a.
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A nice war chest of money.
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They received money from each of the OHV stickers that any. If you have an OHP, I'm sure you probably paid the $25.
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Um.
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There's hundreds of thousands of these in the state, so you can imagine how much money comes in every year.
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Arizona State Parks and Trails.
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Loves to have a designated trail that they can spend their money on.
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You also have to be a 501C3, which we are.
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Uh, and they we have a grant.
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Pending.
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For one of these.
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Master plans, They're over $300,000 to.
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To to prepare because the engineering firms have to go through each of the trail sections.
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And UH, and we have to workout the difficulty of the trail section, who it is suitable for and all of that so that grant
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application has been made.
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And actually today at 1:00 o'clock is the hearing for the Advisory Council to State Parks.
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On that, on that grant, I'll be tuning into that meeting.
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After I leave here.
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We anticipate no problem.
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Getting that grant because state parks ask us to do it, they said. We we want you to do this master plan.
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The Master plan Will Tell will show you the trail as it exists today.
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And we had a question from the audience a while ago about when will it be open? Some of it will be open if.
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Now, because we are using existing Forest Service trails, for the most part, some county roads are involved.
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And we'll talk about how I can.
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How we as a trail can can help the county with with Rd. maintenance.
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So.
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Umm.
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That process of of getting the grant is is underway and we hope to have our grant funded probably in another month or two-month
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and a half depending on how long the.
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The 2nd and the 3rd.
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Meetings and and all of that takes.
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So.
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So to give you an idea of a scope of this trail.
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It as I said, it starts in inpatient.
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It goes through the counties of Hilla.
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And.
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Proud to be here and tell you about it today.
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Coconino.
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I have met with Coconino.
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Navajo I met with Navajo supervisors also.
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Apache. I have a tentative date set to give them a briefing and Greenlee County.
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Which is where Hannigan Meadow is. And so I have met with all of those counties.
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Um, and giving them the information.
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Gotten feedback from them and would like to hope that you all would welcome me and we would all be partners in this as we go
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forward.
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Umm.
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In addition to the counties, of course there are.
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Lots of little towns and communities along the way.
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And your county we start in Payson.
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We have an age trail which goes from patient to Hannigan Meadow, AB trail which goes from Hannigan Meadow back to patient
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separately.
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It is a contiguous trail, 700 to 800 miles long.
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We want a designation of National Recreation Trail. When we're done with this, we're going to apply for that. We think we can get
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it.
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If we do, from what I have read, we would probably be the longest.
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Contiguous national recreation trail in the country.
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So right now it looks like the longest one that I can find is 500 miles.
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And we will exceed that.
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So it's.
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That would be great for for federal funding and all kinds of federal.
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Uh.
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Support.
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Advertising information. A lot of.
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People then from out of state.
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Could come to use the trail right now we're kind of.
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Just focusing on Arizona users of the trail.
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The UM.
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The economics are pretty staggering. Now people spend $5 billion on, OH, V's in the state we think we're going to get about.
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On the trail of 100 and.
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75275.
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Machines were called units on the trail.
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And of course, because it's so long, they're not going to, you know, it's not going to be a traffic jam.
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But there'll be a lot of people on the trail.
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We have done some research on it. It's in your package. People spend about $300.00 a day.
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Uh, when they're traveling, we do this a lot ourselves. When we travel to Utah, we travel to Colorado.
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We spend money at about $300.00 a day.
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Per machine.
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Uh, when we're traveling and usually we do five or six days.
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We're thinking that that's about the same level that this trail will see.
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And and that's.
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In a summer that might be $5 million worth of business for for the small towns. And it's all small rural towns in in Arizona.
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That's what's the nice thing about it.
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We're not talking about the, you know, the state of Maricopa we're talking about.
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Heela County Pumpkin Center.
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Young getting additional revenue that they would not otherwise get.
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From people using this trail, so.
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Now as I.
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Kind of digress there, I was saying the, the, the magnitude of it.
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It does include the the towns of Payson Jakes Corner.
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Pumpkin Center, Tonto Basin. Young.
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And then the trail goes up to forest lakes.
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And uh.
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We will have sectors.
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For marketing sections of the trail, so someone could do a loop.
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They could stage in person, do a loop.
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All the way down through.
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And back up through Young and and across the Coconino. Then and back through pine and Strawberry. Or they could do one through
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Pine top Lakeside.
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In that area they could go over to Springerville, they could make, maybe make a loop from Hannigan Meadow to.
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Down through Alpine to.
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To eager and back up or you'll have people who want to do the entire trail. It's take them ten days, maybe do.
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To do the whole trail, typically people will ride 60 to 80 miles a day.
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On these trips.
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And they'll stop in all the towns and they will spend money at the restaurants, the hotels.
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Gas stations, car washes, you name it.
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There are tourists.
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And they will stop and bite.
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Tourist memorabilia also.
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So.
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Um.
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Our partner.
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Partners and this is the National Forest Service for the most part.
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At this time, we don't go through any tribal land.
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State trust land.
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Or BLM land. Now that can change.
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In the future, as we.
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As the trail progresses and and matures.
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It will change.
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Right now we have some sections of the trail that are very dangerous, I think, in my opinion.
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Ohh, there's two miles where we have to be on Hwy. 260.
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Up by Right where the young Rd. hits 260.
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And the Forest Service has already given us a letter that says please build a trail.
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Well.
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That bypasses the highway, so that's what this document will let us do.
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Once this master plan is in place, we can.
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We can build with a trail.
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We can bypass places. The trail does not go through very many towns directly, but it touches all these towns with connector
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trails, so it makes it easy. And we're trying to be good citizens. We know we create dust, we create noise.
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But we're working with all of the towns as we do this, so that.
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When we come into town, we're coming in where the town says great, that's where we want you to be.
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We want you to be here and there. We also have the ability to build.
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Parking staging.
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Areas for people to come in.
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Park their units, matter of fact in patient.
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Supervisor Christianson we we talked to.
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Mayor and town manager there.
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Uh there.
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UM looking to expand the parking area just E just West of the of the fairgrounds.
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And said could we partner with them for for some money with a grant And we said absolutely that's exactly what state parks would
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like to do is to is to help build places like that.
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So we're doing that in all of the counties.
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We think primarily Payson, Springerville and maybe Pinetop and Solo area would be good places for the first three.
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But we can build 1 pretty much anywhere We could help with that, so.
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We're dealing with.
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It's kind of interesting, but.
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There are a lot of players.
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In this because of the massive length of the trail, so um.
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In Hilo County, we're dealing with.
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Patient Ranger District.
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And a ton of Basin Ranger District.
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And from there we go up to coming on the A trail up.
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Would be that way up through forest lakes and we hit the Black Mesa Ranger District.
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In Apache SIT groups, the others were in Toronto, then from in Apache Sitgreaves. We also have Lakeside Ranger District. We have
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Springerville Ranger District.
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And we have Alpine Ranger district.
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So all of those are involved in pretty much the atrial, but B trail coming back. The same ones except.
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We take off and at Forest Lakes and go through Coconino.
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So we're going to go up on top of the rim to the to the coconut.
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So all of those Ranger districts are.
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Are on board. We've met with all of them.
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And um.
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But we have a lot of. I'll just mention one other thing, and I don't want to take too much of your time here, but.
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That we have. State Parks is our major player partner, but also.
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All of the the.
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And the National Forest Ranger districts, our partners.
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Game and Fish.
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Um, the Eastern Arizona Trails Collaborative is a partner. A dot. Because we're touching highways. Crossing highways.
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A dot is involved. Tread lightly. Leaving the trace, there's a lot of.
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Of partners that we have coming along here and I'm hoping Heela County will soon join that group. So one of the things that we
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offer to a county.
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Is Rd. maintenance.
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If we happen to be on a County Road, we know we're going through your county, but a lot of times it's on forest roads, but
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sometimes it's on county roads.
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For example, from pumpkin center up to the.
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605 I think it is. We take Forest Rd. 71.
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And that's a County Road.
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We're gonna use that road and we're gonna.
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Maybe contribute to it, getting rough in places, whatever, so.
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Um.
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We what we propose to do is apply for a grant in partnership with you.
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For maintenance, maybe we can add a grading.
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Run or two a year for you.
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Help you with that? Anything else we can do? Parking areas, staging areas that makes sense for for the county, We'd be happy to
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work with you on that.
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We.
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As a partner, we would like something back.
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We would like your support.
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I would. I will be sending you a letter requesting.
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Support from Heela County.
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For the Arizona Alpine Trail.
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And um.
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We file these with our application just in case in the for the, especially for the master plan for the grant application, they
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might say well.
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You know, what about Hila? Did you did you talk to Heela County Captures my letter. You know, yeah, they're in support of.
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Of the trail, and we'll do that also as we go after grants, we'll be.
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Partnering. You'll have to sign, you know, approval.
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Permit permission and approval for those.
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And the other thing is that we're asking this.
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This effort does not happen without money.
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Umm.
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So what we're doing is asking each of the the small towns for $1.00 of their state shared revenue per person in the town, which is
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not too much to ask for.
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And also we would ask each of the counties.
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For some money, we're asking for Navajo County and Hella for $15,000.
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So I'll send you a letter requesting that and.
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However, you feel so motivated.
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We are not fixed on that. We are negotiable and we'd be happy to take anything you give us. But that's our, that's our, that's
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what our letter will will state so.
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Uh, with that? Um.
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Can I answer any questions? I'll bet you can. Jerry. Supervisor Humphrey. Questions or comments? No, I don't. I don't have any
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questions. You pretty much explained most of it.
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The only thing is is yeah, I think the trails would be great anytime that we can organize some of these travels on Forest Service
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roads and things.
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I think it's a good thing.
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And also as far as being able to advertise it and direct people in a in a more organized fashion.
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And so I I think it's a good thing.
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And as as far as funding and things go, that's meetings we'll probably have to have with.
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Staff.
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And certainly where we go with things of that nature, but.
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Yeah, I I have no questions. Thank you. Supervisor Humphrey. Thank you very much. You're right. One of the things we do is we're
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getting people off of the trails they shouldn't be on. The Forest Service is very happy about this and and right now we are on
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some trails that are too busy that we want to get off of.
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Especially the highways. There's certain sections that we're on on highways, especially down around Jakes Corner Department
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Center. We're on 188, we don't want to be on 188 and we think we can build a trail.
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Around.
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Some of that and get away from that we've been working with.
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Jeremy.
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On the From the Forest Foundation to help us figure out where we could, where we could best build the trail to avoid highways.
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Yeah.
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Supervisor Christensen, thank you. Chairman, thank you, Mr. Smith, Thank you for my sticker. Arizona Alpine trails. Yeah, thank
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you. And intriguing. I think it would bring a lot of economy to Heela County.
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And.
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If you can get some traffic off of the 64 control Rd. that'd be helpful.
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But where does this trail start in pacing?
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Starts at just West of the fairgrounds.
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OK.
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West of the fairgrounds we do not cross into across the the Indian.
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Now the tribal land there at the stoplight, we come down on the West side of patient down, turn east.
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And we intersect the road to the gun range.
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OK. And we're going to have a a parking area, probably a small one there, but we're going to have a big one up by there. If
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patients that I you know come to terms on it, we'll we'll help put one there by the fairgrounds.
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And then it goes from there.
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Um.
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It goes.
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Ohh down.
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Across gun range, then it goes down.
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Across the right bridge that goes down to Jake's corner.
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And from Jakes Corner, it goes to Punkin Center. Punkin Center, We hope to use your new bridge one of these days. Get across the
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tattoo because that's one of the restrictions is the Tonto. There's one bridge across the Tonto.
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That's up and patient.
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Umm.
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And we.
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We can't get across the tunnel when it's running.
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Yeah. So that will be a restriction.
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They have an alternative on our trail, however.
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They can go through the Coconino. If it's not, it's closed.
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OK, but wait, but then you miss out.
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On the traffic.
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You know through pumpkin center and.
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And and all that.
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So once you're you're bridge.
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One of the requirements is to be street legal.
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To use our trail, right. OK, so the street legal, they can ride anywhere we can cross your bridge and then when you get on the
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forest roads on the other side.
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Get on 71 probably. OK, perfect. So that's that's kind of the plan, right? That sounds good. We're it's a it's a long term plan, I
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mean I'm starting this.
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You can see I'm not gonna live.
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Until this thing is completed, but if we can get it started in the right direction, I'm happy.
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Thank you, Chairman Klein.
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Jerry, thank you so.
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I got a question. I don't think you can answer this, but I'm going to give it a shot. So last six years.
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The amount of traffic.
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From side to sides, basically that I see and in my district.
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Has just increased every year it does and so.
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When this is all finalized, let's say.
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What do you think the use is gonna be then is? Are we gonna see more or are we already seeing the traffic that's there or what do
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you think? I think you're going to see more because this will be a destination for OH peers.
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They will say, wow, we finally have a place where we can ride and we know and we won't get lost because we have signage and we
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know that we can make it because we don't have difficulties that are beyond the capabilities of the.
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Average driver.
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And one of the problems that.
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Everybody has IS.
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ATV noise and dust.
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Nobody likes it. We don't like it.
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I wouldn't want it in my neighborhood.
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And what we're trying to do is get people.
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Off of those neighborhoods and out of those neighborhoods.
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We cannot stop.
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Someone from driving in those neighborhoods. So we, I mean, we have no control, right? We're working diligently with Game and Fish
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and county sheriffs, by the way on enforcement.
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To make sure that there's their vehicles are legal and the children all have helmets and and everything is is legal that way and
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they're not racing and going over the speed limit and things like that. So we're trying to work on enforcement from that
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standpoint.
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But I can tell you that with.
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We feel that with our efforts.
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To.
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It won't get any worse from our standpoint. We think it will help.
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We can't stop it, but we think it it will help that problem when people have a a designated trail.
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That they can now get to and stay on so.
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So there's issues with this as well.
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And so when you you talk about designated trails, you talked about the 609 Rd. Duncan Center and Young.
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You talk about some of these other back roads.
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The other users that are on those roads, they're out there.
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And and these are the type of people where you might come around the corner and they're sitting in the middle of the road having a
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picnic.
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And so for like I'm going to give you an example for like us locals where I live.
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When we go down these roads, especially on a Saturday or Sunday.
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Most of us have gotten pretty, pretty used to looking ahead and watching for the dust cloud that's coming.
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Because most all the.
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I would pretty much say most all of the side to side use that we see and it'll be a group of maybe 5.
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Or 50.
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But they're all traveling at a high rate of speed.
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And these these roads, like the 609 Rd. they're being used by other recreational users.
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They're being used by permittees that are out there trying to get their cows or going down the road with the horse trailer.
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They can't get out of the way. So there there's there's these issues that are out there as well. I'm just just bringing this up.
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Umm.
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And and some of it you know hopefully one of these days we'll you know we can address it in other ways but.
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So having the trail system in place.
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Thinking about the increase of usage on these trails.
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For a lot of people, isn't a very comforting feeling.
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You know, if you understand what I'm saying, I I completely agree.
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Uh, well, one of the things we're trying to do is get off of the busy.
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County roads and the busy forest roads, right. Onto trails, right. And I'm sure our trail. I understand what you're saying. Yeah,
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but that's where I'm I'm saying there's a difference is because on those weekends, during the weeks in the summer time, on the big
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holiday weekends.
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We have tons of users out there in the woods anymore and I think we can credit that to discover here the county which is doing an
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awesome job. But so the people are out there. It's not just the side-by-side siders or or that it could be a another 4 wheel drive
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group or it could be just mom and pops out there doing the camping trip with the kids.
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So there's a lot, lot to be said. I'm not trying to discourage yours throwing thing in the, you know in the kink in this idea. But
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I'm just saying there are issues with this as well as it as it begins to grow and become more and that's where I would hope that a
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lot of these.
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Maybe a lot of these groups these side to side groups.
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When they had their meetings.
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The, the, the, the leaders, whoever spend it on will address some of this and say, hey, look.
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When we're on these roads, let's don't go down these two track roads 50 miles an hour.
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And and let's take it easy because what you'll see in these groups.
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And I don't understand how this is fun, but I guess it is the one in the lead is having the best time in view of their life.
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Everybody else behind them is is pretty miserable, I can promise you. I mean, it's just just.
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And so, but with that being said, those folks in the back that are coming up in the back, they don't have the visibility at that
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person in the front yet.
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And when you start meeting other people on these back roads.
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And what not, it becomes issues.
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So, so another another thing like I told you a while ago, I had a letter come through from pine and Strawberry area saying hey you
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know, we're.
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We're already.
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Pretty much busy and crowded on weekends. What what did how does this help that you know what I'm saying And so so there's other
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concerns out there that I think.
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I think you mean addressed.
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I I really do. And I would hope that the the users would be responsible and recognize that, hey, look, we're not the only ones on
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this trail today.
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Good point, Chairman, Klein and.
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I would.
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Say in one respect that.
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One of the things we'll do is we'll.
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We'll have people on the trail during the week.
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And maybe it'll help.
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You know, I know the weekends, we can't control it, so I wish we could, but we can't, right? And yeah, if you're a right leader.
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Umm.
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You're in the you're, you're in the no dust zone and you're in the look for all the wildlife zone, right? And everybody else
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behind you is.
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She's got face masks, you know, they're covered. They got covered and everything. So because of the dust, so one of the things,
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another thing I'm gonna throw out there, I'm I'm just throwing these out there because we can all see the good parts of this, but
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we don't talk about the the other side of it either.
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When you get in these remote areas, whether it's someplace like Pumpkin Center, Tunnel Basin or it's in young, you have these
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small rural fire departments.
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They're they're everything that we have. That's it. There may only be two people on on call that day or or available that day and
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so when you have the increase in the in the use and you do have a wreck or you do have this or that it gets pretty tough to get
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keep all that covered or you're out there where maybe we only have one deputy on that day for the whole eastern part of HeLa
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County.
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You know, so there's there's other things that needs to be considered.
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But I think one of the most important things is, is that these groups, these ATV side to side groups.
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Need to have this talk and say hey look.
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This isn't just a big play date, so you go spin around in the middle of the road on and when you mentioned the maintenance on the
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roads.
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I'm going to tell you straight up, that's one of my pet peeves, because our Rd. department can be out there from Monday through
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Thursday grading these roads and by Sunday they're trashed.
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We can't always turn around and go back and replace those roads, so it becomes a really, really big issue for for me in my
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district.
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That, hey, you know we.
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We just can't do it. It it's like we like. We like the people. We like to to see them come in and spend money and leave. That's
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good.
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But there's the other part of that is it really gets tough to to.
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Fix the damage too. And so that's that's a balance that I think working with you or whoever we we really need to take a hard look
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at. That's why we're talking to you, we're talking, you know, we're trying to get ahead of what we can get ahead of.
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And.
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So we.
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It's interesting that you bring up the.
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Uh, the rural.
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Ohh.
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EMT Hmm. Because we're we have met with several.
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And said, look, you're pretty rural like forest lakes is, you know?
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Some isolated young is isolated.
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We have the ability to help you purchase.
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A.
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Let me call it.
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Enforcement.
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Rescue.
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Vehicle.
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For your for your fire department or your for some of these small towns. We talked to Forest Lakes and they were saying, Oh yeah,
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we will one of those. So state parks will fund the cost of those through Arizona Alpine Trail. And I'm not saying that that's not
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a help. That's a real generous offer and a nice help.
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But you got to have people to put in there.
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And so you have to have the people to you have to have the people. And when I I just recently attended the fire departments
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meetings and people personnel are an issue.
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You know, to keep all everything covered. So but these are just things that I wanted to bring out and throw out there that we
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can't, we can't ignore the other, the other people that we talked to that really.
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Are probably going to be the brunt of the rescue efforts. And that's the county sheriffs, Yep. And they're stretched into.
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There are files, of course.
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My backyard. So we met with Sheriff Clause and we he said he would start reaching out to each of the other county sheriffs so we
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can have the same conversations about.
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How do we handle injury rescues and non injury rescues? And yeah, the people run out of gas, right? You know, versus.
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Jerry, thank you for the presentation today. And if neither one of the others have anything, why Will?
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We'll move on and I appreciate the time. I look forward to further discussion discussions. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Appreciate your time.
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Yes.
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OK.
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It's going to work, Sam.
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You're good.
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Alright, we'll we'll get started at 2B.
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Presentation of the 2223 Heeler County Teacher of the Year Award to Miss Bethany Gray at High Desert Middle School and Globe.
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And recognition of two additional Teacher of the Year finalists.
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Miss Marnie Perez from Rice Primary School in San Carlos.
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And Doctor Jennifer Madrid from San Carlos High School. Roy.
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Mr. Chair, good morning. We're supervisors. Thank you for having us today.
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I would like to begin by thanking.
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Cindy Fisher Smith, because she coordinated this effort and it takes a lot of effort.
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To get to all the schools, go through the applications, get organized, people who go through the applications, and so forth.
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Michael, welcome to friends.
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Family members who came today also assistant Superintendent from Globe, Doctor Krista Domeland.
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She's back there. Thank you.
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Uh.
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I've not yet seen a.
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Person come from another profession.
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Who was not and teach who was not by November, between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
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Sick.
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And just about in tears. Many are in tears.
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And saying.
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But there are 28 of them, and there's only one of me.
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Somehow they it it is a very difficult profession.
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People don't realize it, especially to do well. It is difficult and great teachers are becoming increasingly rare. So we honor
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these people today.
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I'd also like to thank and recognize our judges, Preston Pollack.
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From Cobra Valley Regional Medical Center.
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Marin Belling, finance from Heela County, and Monica Wolforth, the Healer County treasurer. They went through 165 nominations that
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comprised some 70 teachers. So it was a few.
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Yeah. So there's two years. So what I'd like to do is if I can just.
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In the interest of brevity, 3 each person up and just give you a little bit of background about them if I can, OK.
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So if I can have our second runner up, Jennifer Madrid.
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Here please.
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Mrs. Madrid has been teaching physics for 19 years.
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And in the past has worked as a research advisor, robotics coach, mentor, teacher, national honor, society advisor and project
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leader.
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And biomedical science teacher.
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She currently teaches physics.
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Research Bioscience.
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At.
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San Carlos High School.
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Mr. Madrid has a passion for teaching physics. She loves challenging students in both science and engineering process skills and
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cares deeply.
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About the growth of her students.
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So we honor you.
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As our.
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By the way, she gets $100 check.
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Thanks.
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Roy, when we get all done here, can we get everybody up as a group and have a picture? Ohh, I would love that please. Thank you.
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Our first runner up, Marni Perez.
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But she's special.
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And even more rare.
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She is a special education teacher in preschool at Rice Primary Elementary School in San Carlos.
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She's been teaching for 21 years. She has a Masters degree in Special Education and is presently teaching at San Carlos Rice,
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primarily primary school, as a special education teacher and preschool. Her heart and passion for little children. She has a heart
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and passion for little children because they might make her life important.
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She has unwavering support from the district and school administration and is surrounded by teachers and a staff.
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That are genuinely.
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Positive.
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So.
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I think it's.
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$300
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Woo Hoo.
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Bethany Gray.
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Our Teacher of the Year for Felix County.
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She's originally from Colorado, but she's lived.
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Throughout the state of Arizona, she attended the University of California at San Diego, earned a BA in U.S. history, and began
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her journey as an educator. As she progressed, she felt a real pull to study wildlife biology, so she completed another three
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years of graduate education in AU.
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She then went on to work as a field biologist in the Southwest.
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Then, with family in central Arizona, she began to crave the stability and more regulated work experience.
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A close friend at the time.
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I've done this to people as well, suggesting that she go into education.
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She states that the middle school chose her.
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And she chose the kids right back. They inspire her with their curiosity and the paths they choose and the things that make an
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impact on them. She finally feels like she found her home place here in teaching.
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And was recently able to add a Masters in education to her own education.
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Her first year in Globe has been utterly transformative.
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There's been a mixture of magic that is not duplicated elsewhere. She feels very lucky to be part of the team that works with
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these kids, to connect them to the community and also make sure.
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That they can see what awaits them.
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In the world.
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And still see.
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She she's buying a lot of chapters.
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Help.
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Picture time.
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No, that's it. That's it. Thank you so much. Ohh. One more thing. They are changing the format. A RSA is taking this whole thing
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now. We are not.
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Spearheading it, they sort of took it from us.
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So we thought.
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We're not going to do one. We're going to do 3 people and honor him on our way out. And we're kind of sad that we're losing
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control of the thing, but I don't know what to say.
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Have a picture? All right, let's get a picture.
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Come on up here.
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Thank you.
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Like.
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So they say that.
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Yeah.
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A little bit outside.
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So.
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No problem.
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Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.
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OK.
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Moving on to 2C, public recognition of 1 employee through the county spotlight.
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Unemployment program as follows John Digman and Erica.
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Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Chair, members of the board.
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We did have John there, but he unfortunately had to go away for some duties. So my apologies for that, but we'll make sure he gets
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a copy of this recording. Thank you for allowing me to be here today. As mentioned, we do have one employee for this month,
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Spotlight on employee, who is, of course, John Dickman. His Spotlight nomination red.
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On Saturday, May 20.
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On Saturday, March 18th, 2023, a vehicle was observed on the roadway leading to Buckhead Mesa Landfill and it swerved out of
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control and went off the roadway through the bar. Ditch became stranded and was not running. No one was injured. Upon hearing of
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the mishap, John Digman went to assist the driver and was able to pull the vehicle and trailer back onto the roadway.
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John attempted to help in restarting the engine with gas ACAD available, but to no avail.
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John then picked up a tow chain which he then used to move the stranded vehicle to a safe and open area where the owner was able
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to take care of the rest.
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I believe this type of behavior is indicative of all our county employees and John Digman demonstrated that on this occasion and
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this was committed by Supervisor Christensen. John is of course with our public works department and he has been employed with the
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county for 11 years and eight months, so.
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And thank you Erica Supervisor helping comments.
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No, just thank you for the.
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For the staff that we have in there.
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Their willingness to help.
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SuperValu, thank you. Thank you, Erica. And I did submit it because I witnessed it. But you know, this is not maybe unusual
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behavior. This is what we do at the county. And so I I wanted, I wanted to be him, to be recognized for that because he didn't
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just do something, he went out of his way to do it. So.
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Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for bringing this forward to you, Erica. And it's good to see our folks doing this. So thank you very
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much. Thank you.
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Under three public hearings.
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3A.
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Information, Discussion Action to adopt Resolution #23-05-05 to name E Birch Mountain Rd. In the Globe area. Tom. Good morning,
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Sir. Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.
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The HP mines recently did some land divisions and we have.
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Two homeowners going in there.
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Normally our procedure is to consider just two homes. Consider that a driveway.
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But can.
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Given that this is nearly a mile long driveway, it made sense to go ahead and name it. HP also has some future expansions where it
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would be relevant, so we're bringing this to you today for your approval.
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Answer any questions you may have. Thank you Tom Supervisor Humphrey.
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I I have no questions other than thank you for assisting it needing to be done if it needed to be done so.
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Appreciate your work in it because I understand you have a lot of things that you need to go by when you're addressing for 911 and
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everything else in Rd. name so.
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Super Resolution. I think it's Chairman. Thank you, Tom. I have no questions, Tom, thanks. Yeah, I'm good. So that I'll entertain
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a motion. Mr. Chair, I move to adopt resolution #23-05-05.
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I'll check into that having a motion a second, I'll.
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If this is a public hearing, do you have Ohh? It is. Thank you Tom for being there. There was always Jessicas Belgrade Throw pan
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at me, OK?
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Hold that motion and let's open it for public hearing. Is there anyone in patient?
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Joseph, I can't hear you.
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No, I take it there's no one in pace in there.
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OK. Thank you.
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Anyone on YouTube?
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And no one here that I'm aware of.
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So.
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Having him.
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Set a motion and a second all in favor. Do so by saying aye.
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Aye, aye. Motion carries. Thank you, Tom. Thank you. Get me back on track today, huh? Yes, Sir.
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So 3 Be information, discussion, action to consider a liquor license application.
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Counting number L-23-08 submitted by Ashley Stovall.
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For a new Series 10 beer and wine store liquor license at the Christopher Creek General Store located in Payson.
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And this year, a recommendation to the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control whether license should be granted Sam.
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Good morning, Chairman Klein and Board members. As stated, this is a Series 10 beer and wine store liquor license application for
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the Christopher Creek General Store, formerly known as the Tall Pines Market located in the Christopher Creek area. The County
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does have an internal review process whereby the Treasurer reviews the application and ensures the applicant is current on
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property tax payments for all properties owned in new accounts. The Health department and building permitting department both
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review the application as well.
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To date, there have been no issues reported for the Christopher Creek General Store. The clerk of the Board's office recommends to
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proceed with the public hearing and I can take any questions. Thank you, Sam. Supervisor Humphrey.
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Mr. Chair, I have no questions. Supervisor Christensen. The only observation I have is it says it's located in Payson. Yes, Sir,
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the physical address is Payson. I see. Thank you for that and I haven't.
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I have no questions, Sam. So that I'll open it up for a public hearing.
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Is there anyone in Pace and Joseph?
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No, Sir. OK, none on YouTube and none here. I'll entertain a motion.
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Mr. Chair, I move to recommend that the Arizona Department of Liquor License and Control approve the liquor license application
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submitted.
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By Ashley Stovall for the Christopher Creek General Store.
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And I will second have a motion in a second. All in favor. Do so by saying aye, Aye, aye. Motion carries. Thanks, Sam.
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On the SEA 3C Information Discussion Action to consider adopting Ordinance number.
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2023-04, which authorizes an amendment to the HeLa County zoning map.
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For unincorporated areas of Helix County.
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By changing the zoning for assessors parcel #201-08-0616.
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Located at 140 Buckshot Lane Tunnel Basin, Arizona, currently designated as General Unclassified Gu.
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To add a trailer district key overlay which would allow for two travel trailers to be located on the subject property Mandy.
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Good morning, Chairman, Supervisors.
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As you know, RV's are becoming a bigger and bigger thing and we're going to be bringing that towards you for a work session here
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in the near future.
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But on this process, Ronald and Kimberly Newton.
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Are asking for this amendment.
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In January of 2023, staff received a complaint regarding multiple recreational vehicles located on the subject property.
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During the cyclists, there was determined that there were two recreational vehicles on site.
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That were hooked to utilities and a 10 by 16 shed that was placed on the property.
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Staffed Opened a code enforcement case.
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CP 23/01/04 that is still active at this time. Under current interpretations 1 recreational vehicle is allowed in Gu.
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Anything other than that, it considers it an RV park.
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So there are different sizes obviously of RV parks. This one is going to have two trailers if approved.
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Governors are proposing to rezone the subject property to Gu with a T to allow for two travel trailers.
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On the subject property.
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Originally the subject property came out of parcel 2120108066 L.
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Which is to the West of the current.
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There are two electrical services currently served.
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On this property, it was brought up during the meeting that their thoughts there was three. We have had staff go back out and
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verify that there are two.
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Umm.
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They both were permitted prior to the watch fit.
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From 06/6 L.
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The subject property is served by the Tonto Basin water.
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According to Hill County permit records, a septic system.
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Was installed on the property 2013.
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When the property was still part of 66L.
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The current septic system will accommodate the proposed use.
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Per the Hill County Wastewater Department.
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You know the County Planning and Zoning Commission at a duly noticed open public hearing.
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Held on April 20th, 2023.
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Recommended Denial of the Hello County community development case number Rezone P23O3001.
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With a vote of three to one.
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With one Commissioner abstaining.
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Reasons given to deny the Commission were to remain original zoning of the property and they believed it would be a negative
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precedence.
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For this May 2020.
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Hearing or supervised meeting legal ads were published on 5/2 and 5/3 in the Pace and Roundup in the Silver Belt.
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Respectfully.
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In addition to a citizen participation meeting that was held.
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On site with Mr. and Mrs. Newton on March 4th of 2023.
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2 individuals in attendance, per the Newtons, There were no concerns expressed by the neighbors.
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Mr. Newton also provided a far wider sign in favor of the rezoning.
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To date.
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The staff has received.
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One call in support of the rezone.
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2 emails of support.
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For the result one called opposing.
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The result?
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3 emails opposing from 2 separate people.
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And two individuals.
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At the Planning and Zoning Commission.
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Meeting spoke in opposition to the result.
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The subject property is currently zoned Gu.
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Which allows for a variety of land use uses, ranch, farming, residential, commercial and recreational.
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Additionally, one recreational vehicle is allowed.
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Per the subject in Gu under the current interpretation.
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The Hill County Zoning Ordinance defines a recreational vehicle park.
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As a plot of ground on which two or more?
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Spaces with the required utilities, improvements and located and maintained.
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For awkward, chiefly recreational vehicles as temporary living quarters for recreational vacation purposes.
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The trailer district is a district to be combined with.
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The current district density.
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This will allow mobile and manufactured homes.
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Additionally, the T overlay is used for recreational parks.
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Because that requires more than one RV to become a recreational park.
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Again, this ordinance would allow two.
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Trailers and two only.
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Umm.
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If the rezoning application is approved.
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Development plan will need to be submitted and approved prior to the continued use of the subject property. Mr. Bella plan is
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designed to address issues such as fences, trash, operational uses, lighting and so on.
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That.
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You're beating up, Mike. I I get this.
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Staff feels that this can become harmonious with the conservation area.
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This neighborhood, though?
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I will state has.
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Probably 80% houses and and then some vacant property. Could be a little off on those percentages.
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But this is on Crappy Lane, Buckshot lane, all those around there.
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And.
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Lot of houses and then some empty lots.
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Uh, there are seven conditions that would go with this that are in your ordinance.
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That if you approve, they would be required for them to.
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Meet.
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With any of that, be more happy to answer any questions that I can. Thank you, Andy.
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Supervisor Humphrey Good, District.
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Yeah, Brandy, I have a million questions and and.
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But I'm not going to ask him all right now, but but this is something that we're moving on on creating.
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Ordinances for many homes, fifth wheels, motor homes, those kind of things. So.
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That is something that we're moving forward with on on our adopting ordinances, correct?
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OK and so.
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That I'm, I'm very anxious for because in my district right now there's a lot of complaints of, you know, I mean from Roosevelt
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where somebody's got two motorhome or two fifth wheels hooked up.
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So they've been told to unhook them and remove them and other people and So what what gets me is is if we do this overlay for one
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particular piece of property.
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Then what is? What is that going to do to our overall picture if if we say grandfather them or give them an overlay?
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And then we create a.
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A structure for the county as far as these things go.
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Then are we gonna have to exclude this overlay that we did?
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Or is it still going to be in effect?
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For whatever changes we create or ordinances that we build in the future.
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My understanding that this would be a legal question more than.
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Zoning.
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That if it is in existence at the time of the new ordinance.
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Uh, then it would probably be existing and grandfather did.
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Yeah, if it's.
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If the new ordinance changes any of those requirements.
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Then.
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We would, they would. Anyone after that would have to meet the new requirements.
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Again, I would refer that to legal to see if there's any.
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Variances on that interpretation. OK. I yeah I I just see if if if we if we do an ordinance for a piece of property.
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With with the square miles that we have in Hand County.
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I could see you up here pretty regular trying to.
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Pass an ordinance for their neighbor.
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And then their neighbor.
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And then pretty soon, we're in another piece of property.
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And that is a concern both staff.
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And has been brought up by the public.
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That that is an option. I mean everyone in Gu right now, it has that option, right? Some have taken it and some have been approved
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and some I believe have been denied.
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So it is it is possible. So yes yeah I'm I'm I'm I I guess I'm very anxious for us to work on ordinances because.
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You know, 50 years ago there weren't many homes, there weren't fifth wheels, there weren't some of these things that are now. So I
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I think eventually we're going to have to create an environment.
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And the structured.
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For this type of living.
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Because.
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There's a lot of people going to many homes and things now that building.
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Has become extremely expensive.
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Um, so I'm anxious for the ordinance, but I I don't know that I'm anxious.
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For continuing to overlays until.
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Until we get the ordinance. But on this particular place there is a a septic on this property.
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For those two.
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5th wheel, Correct. Then it has been approved by the Wastewater Division.
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OK.
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Mr. Chair, I think I'm finished with questions for now.
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Supervisor Christensen, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Randy.
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Umm.
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So my general idea is that anyone that requests and zoning change, it has to make a lot of sense to me.
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Rather than just look like a favor to a particular property.
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So planning and zoning denied it. We have more.
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People opposed to it then support it.
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And the current property owners have been in violation of our current ordinance. That's true, Correct. OK.
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Thank you. That's all I have.
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Surani Anhan, I guess I'm easily confused today, but.
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It says authorizes an amendment to the HeLa County zoning map for unincorporated areas of Heela County.
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So we're not just talking this property.
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So now anytime a rezone is done, it is it's going to affect that one property.
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So on the map, it'll show to you with a key overlay. It won't, it doesn't change it from Gu.
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But anytime that the board approves the rezone, the map changes.
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So.
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It's not.
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Changing title basin.
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It's not changing anything other than this specific property.
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To that if it's allowed to allow for the to overlay.
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Yeah.
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It's confusing as hell to me, so.
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But I agree with Supervisor Humphrey, I think this is a bigger issue.
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And I think time is at the essence on this because things have changed in the last few years.
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There's more and more people living in in what we call RV's. There's more and more people putting more money in RV's than you are
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stick built homes.
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And so.
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I think to me it's something that we need to address as a county.
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Honestly, and I will tell you in doing some research on all this.
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All the counties are having issues with RV's.
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Mr. O'Driscoll has us coming to a work session, hopefully in June, I believe.
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That.
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To bring to you this, make sure which kind of direction that you want staff to take in this area, because it is, it is.
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Overwhelming.
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A lot of people believe, you know, if you talk to some of the current residents in Tonto, it's made for next to the lake. I can
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have as many RV's I should be able to have, you know, family come and we spend 20 RV's out here.
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Yeah, the guy next door that spent.
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Half $1,000,000 bill in the House thinks they shouldn't have any of these.
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So we will be coming for your direction on.
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How you want staff to proceed with the ordinance, it is.
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One of the big, there's like 4 big items and that's one of them.
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And so will we come in for your directions here in the next month or so?
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Yeah. And I I think that's really important from the county standpoint. For me personally, it's a pretty big struggle that I have
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because I believe you buy the property, you're paying for it, you're paying taxes on it. I don't see a problem with the RV's.
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But I believe that from a country standpoint, we have a bigger issue to tackle.
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And just a particular property right now.
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Typically.
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So with that, I'd open up a a public hearing. Do we have anybody in patient Joseph for the public hearing?
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Yeah.
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OK.
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OK Sir, if you could just state your name and address and you got 3 minutes.
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Good morning. Thank you for holding.
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OK.
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This is the second home that I've owned in.
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And I had one in the late 1900s.
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Capital for several years and then sold it. I bought the parcel that I reside at right now at 275 and 2011.
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My wife and I selected the neighborhood based on the fact that they would be. It appears to be a minimal amount of future
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development and Wildcat subdivisions of DNA.
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We subsequently designed built a home and are transitioning to full time.
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Residency there. The last two years we've been there approximately 7 to 8 months.
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We love the neighborhood the way it is right now.
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We are concerned with.
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The.
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Proposed rezoning and the window that it opens up for the future.
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You know those roads are not.
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That's totally well built.
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The excessive traffic when you have high density.
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Residency may on particular lots increases.
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There are several of us that have participated in Roberts Rd. improvements down there. There are no roads over to agreements in
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place.
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So we're concerned about that. I have a contiguous parcel next to my residence right now, bought as an investment I believe.
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By allowing.
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To exceed the amount of.
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Arby's as is being proposed here.
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That concerns us with the contiguous parcel.
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Interestingly enough, we have another parcel that we purchased last year. It's on the next block over on 12 run.
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The first became available.
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We have made well, we have good friends that wanted to move into conservation.
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We went over and looked at the parcel.
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Talked to the owner on it and he had exactly the same scenario that is being proposed right now. He had a partial, he had
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multiple.
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Sub out and you saw these in place for multiple RV's and his stated intention was to use it basically as a destination spot for
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buddies.
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To put their RV's down and come down and fish and hunt. During the season, they would put their RV's on by run, their RV, their
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ATV's and whatnot, and.
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Ultimately, the county shut them down. They told him it was not allowed or they needed to go ahead and disassemble everything. The
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seller at that point wasn't happy. The neighbors were pleased, as were we.
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And when he decided to.
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Took a lot on on the market. We bought the lot, we bought the lot with the provision that everything would be disassembled,
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restored to normal, would follow the existing zoning requirements and subsequently at that point, once it was just assembled,
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verified by the county I submitted and was approved for a permit. And we presently have a stick built, homes being built on the
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parcel and eventually that will become the property of the two friends that have expressed interest in moving in there, they're
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there now.
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My biggest concern again is the the president will discuss for the future.
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I've been around Hill County. I've been around Arizona for 45 years. I've worked with the general contractor and as a developer I
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understand zoning. I appreciate.
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The protection of zoning requires. I also know how people can get crafty. And they can.
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They can work around zoning.
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And craftiness went through it less working outside of zoning as established.
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The intentions of the of the homeowner right now on that parcel, on that we're talking about I'm sure are good, but again the
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precedent that it says I believe is questionable and also question what would happen in this parcel conveys in the future.
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So with that, I would respectfully request that you read the letter that I had sent to County yesterday and accept my thoughts
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today. And I respectfully request that this motion be denied. Thank you, Sir.
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Thanks. Is there anyone else in Payson, Joseph?
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No Sir, OK.
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Do you have anybody on YouTube?
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Is there anyone here? There is none. No one here, so I'll close the public meeting hearing.
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And then entertain a motion.
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Mr. Chairman, I will move to deny the adoption of Ordinance #2023-04.
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Mr. Chair.
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With comments that.
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That the future is coming and we're going to have to make ordinances for the future.
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And and it's probably going to include some many homes and things of that. So people in Eagle County know going forward that
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eventually we're going to need to create something to allow.
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That type of living but.
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For now I will second the motion.
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Can I have a motion and a second all in favor. Do so by saying aye. Aye, aye, aye. Motion carries denied. Thank you, Andy.
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Ohh, you got one more? Yes Sir. Information Discussion Action to adopt resolution #23-05-03.
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Which approves HeLa County Community Development case number C UP2302.
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Yeah, actually 001 A request by Vance and Cynthia Hudson, owners and applicants for conditional use permit upon Heela County
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Assessors Parcel #301-14-008-D.
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Located at 4042 N Highway, Arizona Hwy. 87 Pine Arizona Randy.
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Good morning again. So the apartments are proposing to lease a portion of their property to Sky in the Pine.
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LLC Handcrafted Rustic Furniture.
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Also, another sky.
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Sky has been displaying his items on Settlers Village property.
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Which is APN 30120005.
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Which is 3 properties to the South of where we are talking today.
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If the conditional use permit is approved, Sky will be relocating to the applicant property.
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Skyward Display has wood carvings and teepee along the front of the property, which borders Hwy. 87.
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On the front patio and in the open grass area South of the B Line guesthouse, but not in the setbacks. The applicants will be
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using the existing downstairs front great room of the Beeline Guest House, approximately 572 square feet.
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As a gallery to display skies furniture.
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They wish to use the half bathroom.
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Of the Beeline guest house, which is located right off the gallery as a public ADA restroom.
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If approved.
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By hello county wastewater.
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And the building department?
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Per the app, Census will be a retail only site. There will be no wood carving processes on site.
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Our retail sales will be inside the gallery as required by Heela County zoning and conditional use permit.
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During the pre application meeting that was held.
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With the attention, it was determined by the Healer County Wastewater Department the current septic system is not large enough.
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To accommodate the proposed use.
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The Afghans will need to install a new septic system.
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With a large enough to accommodate the proposed use. Additionally, since the public will be utilizing the restroom facilities,
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they will need to make it ADA compliant.
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Westwater and building plans will need to be submitted.
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For review and approval, the subject property is located on Hwy. 87.
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Along a multifunctional corridor in Pine, AZ.
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Ingress and egress to the site will be off Hwy. 87.
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With an A dot permit and approval for a new.
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Driveway.
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Hwy. 87 is highly traveled as is.
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Parking for the retail business will require to meet Hello County zoning ordinances.
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Outside parking shown in the proposed site plan provided by.
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The applicants may or may not, or certainly working with them on on.
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Doing that.
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Umm.
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The Heliconia Planning Zoning Commission Commission, Sorry and a duly notice public hearing held on April 20th, 2023 recommended
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approval for the Health County.
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Um.
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Small community development case C UP23O2001.
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But has specific retail businesses.
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And after prerequisite conditions are met and contingent on compliance with other conditionals listed.
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On here we have 4 prerequisite conditions of are written in your ordinance.
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And then there are six maintenance conditions that will also need to be required to be followed.
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Um.
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So this is Marcus from Patient was held on March 7th, 2023 to individuals in attendance.
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Further Hudsons with concerns expressed were.
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About parking and flooding from the water Stormwater for the Hutchins. They have received an e-mail on March 1st.
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In support of the conditional use permit.
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By the way, before I go on.
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This has met the requirements.
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A/C, P and A rezone had followed the same process.
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And we have 16 properties that were.
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Notified in the 300 square foot.
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And five of them are against.
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So that required ticks in the 20% rule.
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Which requires A unanimous vote by the supervisors.
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To date, staff has received 2 calls from opposition.
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Other requested conditional use permits stating safety concerns. One e-mail in opposition to the commissioners permit.
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One mail in letter.
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The photos and opposition to the conditional use permit.
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Saving parking, flooding and drainage concerns.
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There was one individual that spoke.
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At the Planning Zoning Commission meeting on April 20th in opposition to the conditional use permit.
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The intent purpose of the residential one district which is is currently zoned.
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This developed areas primarily for single family dwellings.
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Intended, then all purposes be installed, operated and maintained in a manner so as each complement at our least a minimum
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disruption to R1.
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If you look on our map there.
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This property is the last property along that highway on the West side.
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That is still zoned R1. There's one property on the.
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Each side that is still our one also.
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Uh, and if you have the app application.
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Staff considers the county zoning ordinance the current and proposed land uses, primary adjacent zoning, and if the land will be
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compatible and harmonious with the neighboring uses.
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The surrounding properties that abut are zoned.
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Are transitional residential.
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And commercial C2?
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You'll have.
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Harry Comprehensive plan states that it seeks to enhance opportunities for development of low intensity cottage and craft.
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Commercial uses adjacent to SR87 which is his.
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This is also a month Monti functional corridor.
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And that basically means that it's on the highway.
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And.
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Based on the review and the application, staff felt that this could become harmonious with the area since it was in the area.
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Few houses down.
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Umm.
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Again, there are some prerequisite conditions.
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That the Hutchins will have to make, and they'll be made those things that will have to be kept up.
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Through the process.
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And again the board of painting board voted for.
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Any questions you want, happy to answer.
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Thank you, Randy Supervisor Humphrey.
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I just guess.
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Everything that they're going to need to do to this property.
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Wouldn't be.
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Entrance and exit approval by a dot kind of be one of the first things to.
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To look at.
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It is, except if you look at a dot, it is a long drawn out process. Well, I understand. So if we approve it, they don't get the
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driveway.
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Then why would they go forward with some of the provisions of what they have to do without, and that's why we have the
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prerequisite.
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Requirements that if before this even becomes approved.
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Those prerequisite items have to be met, right?
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I would just like to see the the.
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8 on approval prior to my approval because my approval means nothing without a dots and.
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Yeah, and then that's just that, that's that's just where where upsetting with it, but.
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Yeah, that that's the only question I have. Thank you.
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Supervisor Christiansen, thank you. Thank you, Randy. 16 properties were.
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Modified.
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Ohh, how many out of the 16 responded? I know you said five were against.
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I believe it was just five that responded.
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Just five. There was 5.
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OK. Thank you.
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****.
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Yeah, I I guess I don't have the questions or any other. I know you've been working with Vince and and Sandy and obviously they're
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willing to do these changes or whatever. I understand what supervisors Humphreys saying too, but it probably, I mean they probably
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needs our approval to start their process so.
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I get that too. You know, So I I'm, I'm good. I don't. I don't have anything else. So that would open up the public hearings.
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Joseph. Anyone in Payson?
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No, Sir.
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OK, is anyone on YouTube?
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No and.
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I know that Cindy and Vince have turned in a slip. I don't know. Do you guys feel like you need to say something? Vince.
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Come on up.
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Just.
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State your name and and all that. I'm Vince Hudson. I'm the owner of the property, my wife and I.
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And just so we know.
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We're in a wreck with the flooding in that area and I think everybody sitting here knows that.
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We're on a property that was divided.
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Out of several parcels.
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That we don't have legal access to Hwy. 87.
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But yet.
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The county allowed the recordation of the splits.
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To cause them.
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OK.
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We are the ones that asked for the new approach.
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We went to a doc and asked for the approach.
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We contacted the county, submitted our preliminary drawings and everything stating and showing that.
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We want to get our property in compliance.
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Right now, we honestly are not folks and I mean anybody sitting in here that's been doing the research, they know that.
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We're trying to do the right thing.
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Not trying in a gate.
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Not trying to hide anything.
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And we've got other issues besides this that.
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Several other parties there, implying has been there a long time, have created.
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We've got our irrigation system in the highway.
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Which is supposed to.
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Which?
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Who put that in?
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Play unites.
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Miranda family. So, Vince, we need to stay on topic here. OK, that's really so. And I agree. I agree.
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If we don't redo our driveway down to the southern part, OK?
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Because where it's at today.
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With our house there, there's not enough room for the driveway. It's got to be at least 20 feet.
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That's why we.
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When the Sky Game guy came to us because he was getting evicted from the other property.
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We said OK, but these are the things we got to do. We were the ones that contacted a doc.
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A dot didn't contact us, so we're trying to do the right thing in this.
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Application and get the property in compliance.
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With with your guys rules and regulations, we're not trying to deny nothing or hide nothing. Absolutely not.
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So.
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Do we? Do we need to have your approval to get theirs? Do we need to have theirs to get yours?
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You know, I'm only honest with you.
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Both of us look at each other. We don't know. They don't. They won't say. It doesn't seem like no one saying here.
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So.
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Honestly, I think.
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Gave us an approval with condition that we get the application from a dot, then I can go back to a dot with Yes Sir.
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Domba. Mr. Dumba, Here's the proof.
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Tony said they would give us this.
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Yeah.
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We took the driveway down here.
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That's for work.
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OK.
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01:23:47
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Sounds like a winner. We've already applied. Now our our application runs out.
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Friday.
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If we don't know, they give you 60 dates. But where would the only last step? Cindy, you might need to come up here. Yeah, she
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knows more about the dates.
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Just state your name segmentation.
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Yeah.
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01:24:11
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But we already have the application in for the for the driveway permit with ADA. We've gone through all the steps.
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Are waiting for is an asphalt contractor because ADOT requires that they approach the essence of it. So we we have someone coming
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to give us a bid.
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Tomorrow.
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Tomorrow morning. Yeah, what? You know, Wednesday morning, Wednesday.
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So we're already going through the process, you know, but ADA takes the time it takes. We all know that. They have told us we have
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everything else submitted. We just need an asphalt contractor and his insurance.
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And we're just, we're looking for bids right now. We're waiting. So it's not that we're not going to do it.
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We know we need that, we not only need it for.
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For Sky to come there, but we need it because it's much safer than what we have now. And.
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It goes along with kind of regulations.
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Where the old one doesn't, did not and does not still.
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So you know, we're working on it.
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But again, like you said A that's waiting for approval from you, we're waiting for approval from 8 out, so you know.
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01:25:14
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How's that gonna? Something's gotta give somewhere and certain process.
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We've done everything we can do. We're just waiting for that contractor and then they tell us that everything's in.
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So.
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01:25:34
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That's where we're at with that, Cindy. Thank you. You're welcome. Appreciate that.
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01:25:35
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No one else. I will close the public hearing part.
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And.
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Entertain a motion.
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Mr. Chair, I move to adopt resolution #23-05-03. I will second that having a motion, and a second all in favor. Do so by saying
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aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed, aye.
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I guess it died on that one.
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Sure so.
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10 pass, guys. Thanks.
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OK, Moving on, 4 #4 regular agenda items. We're going to do a shift on this. It was going to be.
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The.
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District library out, but we're going to change that and bring some kids up first so they can.
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We can see what they're doing and.
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Go from there, so we're moving item number N.
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Up up first on this so we'll address that and I don't remember and is information discussion action.
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To approve Agreement number 04262023 and Economic Development Grant with the Southern Heeler County 4H Leaders Council.
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In the amount of $4000 for the HeLa County Top Gun Shooting Club, which the board has determined to be a benefit for the public.
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01:27:02
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This is mine and I've been visiting with Gerald Patak on this and this is a really cool program and part of 480 that they've
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started.
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And with that, Carol, I'm gonna let you discuss this a little bit. Would you do that?
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Thank you. I'd be very happy to.
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01:27:28
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Thank you to supervisors to allowing us to present. I'd like to bring up our three youth that are here with us today, AJ Shivel.
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He is the Co leader of the group and actually the.
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The initiative behind starting this whole group last summer. And then we've got Sarah Rascoe and Chantelle Jordan.
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Uh, we started this group last June. We decided that, and I'm gonna let AJ talk a couple minutes about it, that he was very
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interested that we needed the Shooting Sports Group and Heela County.
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Because let's face it, you know the youth in our organization and the youth in our county to have something as positive.
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To have something that's fun. To have something that they can get good at.
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Uh, we got going a little faster than what we expected. We started with 14 kids last June.
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I was like October 1st, 2022, We went to 35 and we have a waiting list for this organization. So I mean like AJ.
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Take over the presentation about why he thinks shooting sports was important for your county.
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And where these three young people are going and why they're all wearing matching shirts. Thank you, Carol. AJ, just let us know
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your full name and where you're from, please.
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01:28:36
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My name is AJ Shively. I'm from.
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Aye.
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Globe originally. I've lived here my whole life.
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Basically, we're coming here today.
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I have these wonderful shooters here. They know how to shoot guns very well. I've taught them.
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A lot of what they know. I started this out. I thought a lot of younger kids as well.
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And.
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01:29:05
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As far as right now, we're sending a few of our shooters, our better shooters, to national competition. It's located in in
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Nebraska.
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What our plan is.
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This year is we're going to learn mostly, and then next year we're going to hit them with the heat.
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We're going to.
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Figure out what we need as far as supplies go.
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Um, this year And in Nebraska, because.
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Let's face it, you don't know what you need to buy if you if you don't see it, right? We've been lucky enough to partner with
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some.
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Folks from Coolidge.
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They help us.
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With.
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Finding what we need as well as teaching me I am not as good as some of these shooters that are going to net Nebraska.
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And so they teach me as well, and I bring my knowledge back to you, accounting to teach even the from the 9 year olds all the way
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up to I believe Chantelle is 16 or 17.
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She's 15, Sorry.
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I do have a 16 year old in my club I believe though.
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Basically, we're just.
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Here to show you guys that we're here. We're growing very fast.
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We're bringing education to your community about these firearms and how to basically handle them because we want.
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Our younger generations to be knowledgeable.
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And I'm gonna let them introduce themselves as to what their names are and what they are going through Nebraska. Thank you, AJ.
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Hi, my name is Sarah Orozco and I am competing in the air pistol.
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Competition in Nebraska.
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And I am also one of the first.
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In the state to go.
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For every stop.
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Call Dion.
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So I'm Shantell Jordan and I qualified for Air Rifle to go to Nationals. Ohh good.
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Good deal.
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So in Arizona, we're actually sending a few teams.
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Umm.
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Hill County is lucky enough to be on in three positions.
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Or have three positions on the team going to Nebraska 4 Arizona.
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Uh, we're just that good, you know?
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Chantelle is very good with her rifle. We shoot standing up a lot.
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It's very difficult. We're shooting. So they're pellet guns, but they're high precision pellet guns. So every 16th of an inch,
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right? That's a small measurement, every 16th of an inch from all the way across the room.
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It could be first through.
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Probably 30th, right? There's going to be so many competitors down there in Nebraska.
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It's gonna be a great competition, great learning experience and I.
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I'm looking forward to what I can bring back to your community.
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For you guys and.
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All the knowledge we're going to gain, I think that's all that we have.
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Unless Carol would like to say anything else, yeah, I'll just plug up and say I've learned to not underestimate these young
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people. I made the decision in February to send eight of our shooters to the state championship.
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With the intention of them going and getting, experiencing what we're heading, where we're going, and that was my idea.
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And it that I picked, I picked 2 juniors, 2 intermediates and four seniors to go, and I picked them because they showed up for
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practice. I picked them because they were safe. Then I knew I could sign off. They could kind of hit stuff down range, and that
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wasn't the primary criteria, but mostly because they had a great attitude.
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I sent eight kids down there to get experience.
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The end of the first day of competition, they handed out 18 medals.
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Nine of those metals came home to Hitler County.
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These kids are amazing, you know? Now we're sending from Philly County to Nebraska.
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I don't know.
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I'm going with them because I want to see what they're doing, you know, I just, I just, I'm amazed they will compete both as an
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individual and they also compete As for the state of Arizona.
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And so the state director has the idea that if we could finish in the top half of the states that are competing, he'd be happy.
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And they said don't underestimate these kids.
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I sent them to State thinking that they were going to go down and get get experience and they came home with half the medals,
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including two championship buckles.
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And qualified all four of our seniors for national competition.
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So I think that's really a testimony to the quality of youth that we have here in Helen County.
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They've been able to become more visible in the community. They had a dinner that they ran, the whole dinner. They did a fantastic
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job.
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And and the community just fell in love with the madness, embraced them and I think it's, you know, we need to bring out the
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positive that's in youth. And I happen to run into one of the high school teachers.
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A couple weeks ago at the at the coffee shop and she asked me if we had any Globe High School students going to the competition. I
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said yes we do.
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And I told her who the competition competitors were. She's always I've noticed the difference in this family.
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That she's got her confidence, she's got a discipline, she says. She's always been a sweet young lady, but she's really gained an
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air of confidence, and so we really appreciate the Board of Supervisors the opportunity to present.
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Because these really are truly remarkable young people. And there's so many more. Gary Killer County.
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That we can help have that kind of a positive experience. We just want to say thank you.
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Thank you, Carol. AJ, you ready for some questions? Yeah. Alright. Supervisor Humphrey.
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I I don't have any questions. I just I think it's great of what you're doing.
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And I want to thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you.
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And so let us help you in the future of this.
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We're strong for the youth, or I am anyway.
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That's supervision.
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Thank you. Thank you guys. I didn't know about this program until just now but.
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Makes me proud to know that you're.
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Putting a lot of effort toward this and that it will build confidence and skills and.
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Everything. It's pretty easy to.
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Support.
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The project that you guys were on. So good luck to you guys. Thank you Sir. This is really cool. You guys are doing an awesome job
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and.
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You bet. Well.
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Ohh. Hopefully be behind you the whole way so we'll see how it goes. Carol, once this is all done, let's get a picture with all
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you guys. Is that alright?
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All right.
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To the competitive part after they've competed, we would love that.
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Back and thank you and and whatever happens, my instruction to them is go to Nebraska, have a great yeah, absolutely. No, we would
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love to see it now. Just do the best you can. And I'm just so proud of them. They're going. Healey County represents about 10% of
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the Arizona national team.
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And our our program appears less than a year ago.
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Ohh that I need to take a motion.
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Mr. Chair on Which to approve Agreement number 0426 Senior Civil Deputy County Attorney 2023 with Southern Hula County 4H Leader.
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Leaders Council in the amount of $4000.
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That we have determined to be a benefit or we have determined to be a benefit.
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Um, of the public.
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Second, having a motion. And second, all in favor, do so by saying aye, aye, aye aye, motion carries. Let's take a minute and get
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a picture.
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Your hands.
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Regulations. Good job you guys have. Yeah, you'll do fine, Yeah.
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OK.
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I'll let him go first.
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Yeah.
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Can we get you all down this way a little bit, please? I will need a journal as a Healer, County Board of Supervisors and convene
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as a HeLa County Library District Board of Directors. So move Mr. Chair. I'll second.
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Now motion. And second, all in favor, do so by saying aye aye aye. Motion carries information, discussion, action to authorize the
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submission and subsequent acceptance of the Saddlebrook Community Outreach Enrichment Program application.
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By the Heeler County Library District for a mini grant in the amount of $5600 designated to Heela County for the Hayden Library
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for the period of June 1st.
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23 to September 30th 23 Elaine.
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That was a hard act to follow it. Well, it would be.
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Thank you, Chairman, Klein, Supervisors, I appreciate your time.
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This is another mini grant that we had a quick turnaround on for the Hayden Public Library. As you recall, we had one.
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We lost the idea of audio for some reason.
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Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.
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OK.
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Kenyon.
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So you recall you had already approved the one previously for $5000 for the hidden library that was so successful. We have had so
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many programs down in Hayden. We've had such a hard time in the past.
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Getting people because Hayden is is a small community and we've been doing yoga, we've been doing kickboxing, we've been doing
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healthy meals for seniors.
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Including salads and smoothies. And we have one.
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A parent of one of the seniors that said his mom could hardly move. And since she's been to the yoga and the kickboxing classes,
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her arthritis doesn't hurt so bad. So we look for another grant, and this is a grant from Tucson. Saddlebrook Community is a
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volunteer program that gives grants for early literacy, for health enrichment for the Copper Corridor, and we were awarded that.
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So we're asking for you to accept that.
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And if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer. Thank you, Elaine. Supervisor Humphrey.
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I have no question. Supervisor Christensen. Thank you, Elaine. I have no questions and neither do I. Thank you for doing this, but
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that I'd entertain a motion.
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Mr. Chair, I move to authorize the submission and acceptance of the Saddlebrook Community Outreach Enrichment Program Mini Grant
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in the amount of $5600 as presented. Mr. Chair, I'll second that having a motion and a second all in favor. Do so by saying aye
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aye aye. Motion carries. And I need a motion to adjourn as the HeLa County Library District Board of Directors and reconvene as a
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HeLa County Board of Super.
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So move, Mr. Chair, I will second that any motion. And second, all in favor, do so by saying aye, Aye, aye. Motion carries,
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Elaine. Thank you.
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On to be Information, discussion, action.
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To approve an agreement between the Arizona Department of Corrections, Rehabilitation and Reentry.
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A DCR Agreement #123-175-28.
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And HeLa County Sheriff's Office to utilize the Correctional Officer Training Academy.
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For the period of May 1st, 23 through May 1st, 24. Dennis, good morning. Good morning, Chairman, members of the Board, Ladies and
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gentlemen, I tighten up your sense. I'll make this quick.
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We have to utilize other agencies to train our detention officers and so we contract with the folks around the state.
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In.
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2019, we had a contract with DOC and and that's the original agreement. All we're needing to do is is to amend this because you
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know we're having to to pay for each detention officers officer that we send to the Academy of the $958. And then 2150 a day for a
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lot of the for the instructors, a lot of the tangible stuff that they use.
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So there is an original agreement out there and this is just an amendment to that. This will be for one year period and for the
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remaining four years we will we'll have to come before you to get to get approval for that.
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So what we are asking that you approved this first year contract with the Department of Corrections for training our detention
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officers for detention facilities?
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Yes, thank you. Supervisor Humphrey, I have no questions. Mr. Sir, Supervisor Christians, thank you, Dennis. No questions.
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Yes, I'm good as well. So thanks. And with that entertain a motion, Mr. Chair moved to approve everything with the Department of
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Corrections Rehabilitation and Reentry Agreement #123-175-28AS presented.
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Mr. Chair, I'll second that having a motion and a second all in favor. Do so by saying aye, aye, aye, Motion carries.
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On to see information, discussion, Action to approve the submittal of the courts, Fiscal Year 24 field.
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Trainer grant application in the amount of 25,000 to the Arizona Supreme Court Administrative Office of the Courts.
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Jonathan, good morning. Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, excuse me, before you today is a grant application as you stated.
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Before you take any action, I want to provide a brief account of the position itself. In 2015, the Superior Court Court reporter
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retired.
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Rather than rehire that position for administration my group.
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Work with then county administration and county human resources.
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To reinstitute the Field Trainer position. Field Trainer position offers benefits to all county courts and court offices, whereas
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the Court Reporter would have only positively impacted one single aspect of Superior Court operations.
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The field trainer acts as the police training coordinator.
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Ensuring compliance with continuing education requirements as well as providing specific training.
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To various areas of the court or upon request that report where court office.
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For example, our field trainer right now is working pretty intensively with the clerk at the Hayden Magistrate Court to ensure we
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have good, adequate court services and for that constituency.
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Field Trainer also offers a General Court specific orientation to assist with the onboarding of new employees.
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Rendering new hires more effective. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the field Trainer acts as a liaison with the
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administrative office of the Courts and the rollout of new automation initiatives.
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As we presented to the board over the years, we've often stressed that point. I'm not going to list all of those things now, but
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we do have several such initiatives underway.
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Including digital evidence, which will ultimately replace paper exhibits and trials and hearings.
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In fact, the Field Trainer has been instrumental in our transition to paperless court operations with all of the added
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efficiencies and cost savings that accompany such as movement.
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The field Trainer is funded by county general fund transfer of approximately 38,000, with this grant of 25,000 constituting the
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balance of those costs.
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The court reporter, however, would have cost approximately 100,000 in salary and employee related expenses.
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The Field Trainer position has been included in the courts consolidated budget for over 7 years and in short, we realized later
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operational influence across the board at about 1/3 of the cost to the County General Fund.
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With that, I'll take any questions. Thank you, Jonathan, Supervisor Humphrey, Mr. Chair, I have no question. Supervisor could
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Christensen. Thank you, Mr. Chair and John, I have no questions.
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I'm good as well, thank you. That didn't entertain a motion, Mr. Chair. I move to approve the submittal.
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Of an FY20 24 field training grant application in the amount of $25,000 And Mr. Chair, I will second that having a motion. And
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second all in favor, do so by saying aye, aye, aye, aye. Motion carries. Thank you, Jonathan. Thank you. Under the information
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discussion action to adopt resolution #23-05-06.
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Authorizing the sale of 1260 square foot of assessors parcel number.
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206-10-076.
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And the advertisement of the cell via auction in the county newspaper record. Homer, good morning, Sir. Good morning, chair and
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board members, I think it is still morning, right? Or good afternoon. Barely. Still, yes. So we do have in the audience one of the
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property owners, Kelly Spitzer is here.
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And I'd like to, just before I get started, explaining that we've been working on this for quite a while. It first came to
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community development.
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Are they pass it on to Public Works? Public Works started to work on this as if it were a vacating a row.
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But this is not vacating a road, this is the sale of real property, and that's very specific.
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Requirements for the sale of real property, and that's what this board item is about. So what happened is in 2020 a house fire
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occurred on 3714 E Bancroft Way.
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A property was surveyed on May of 2021 and it was discovered that actually a portion of the fire damaged residents and coach on
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the abutting property, which happened to be owned by by HeLa County.
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In order to meet zoning requirements, the setback requirements, and obtain a building permit to repair the damage to property,
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owners are seeking to purchase the encroachment area from the county.
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A licensed and certified appraiser.
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Has valued the property at $1.34 per square foot.
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And the appraised value for the 1216.
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60 square footage is $1688. OK, so Arizona Revised Statutes 11251 outlines the requirements for the county selling real property.
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The first thing that has to happen is the board has to.
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To deem that it is advantageous for the county to sell.
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The property or the board has to determine that the property is unnecessary for use by the county.
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One or the other, or both #2. If the property for sale is real property, the board shall have the property appraised by a licensed
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appraiser.
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Item number 3 The operational established a market value.
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Of the property and the purchase price should be at least 90% of that market value.
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Umm.
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Number that was the last one. Is that a notice?
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Regarding the selling of property, shall be published in the county newspaper.
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Umm, and it's from container, among other things. The appraised value, the minimum, the minimum acceptable sales price and of
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course the comment on the legal description of the property. That's kind of like the outline for the county to sell real property,
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OK. And and it's a procedure that we're using for this board item.
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Um.
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It's it's a scarcer.
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Believe that the encroachment that.
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The purchase of the encroachment.
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From the county if necessary for the property owner to be make, they'll make the necessary improvements and to obtain the real
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estate necessary for all of the improvements to be on this property. Attending board approval and auction will be advertised in
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the HeLa County newspaper.
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Any board meeting scheduled to conduct the auction 30 days, both advertisements.
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The minimum bid shall be 1520 dollars, which is 90% of the appraised value.
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Um it is staff recommendation that it is in the best interest of the public for the county to sell the piece of land which is
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unnecessary for use by the county.
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It's it's in an area where it is of limited value and therefore we think this is the right thing for us to to to to proceed with
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and if that recommendation that we bring to you this morning.
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Which is to adopt resolution number 23/05/06.
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And with that, I'll take questions. Thank you, Homer. Supervisor Humphrey.
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Just one question from Merrill is.
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Is there access to this property without crossing private property?
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Can you repeat the question please? Is there access to the property going up for auction?
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Umm.
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Other than crossing private property to get to that piece, that's corruptions.
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There is access both to the the property that is purchasing the little green triangle that you see up on the on the drawing, as
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well as to the county property. Both will have access.
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OK I I the the reason for my question is if it goes up for auction.
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And and there is access to the property that there may be someone bidding on it that.
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Is is not an adjacent property owner. It's.
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Was the was.
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Was my concern, I guess.
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And so you've pretty much asked and answered that, So I have no further questions.
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Thank you.
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Surprise your question. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, Mayor. This is a really odd situation.
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What if the homeowners are not the prevailing?
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Mid winter.
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What happens?
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Umm.
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Property would the The next step would would probably be for the county to take action to have them tear down part of the
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property.
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Hey.
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Is there was there mistakes made in the past by the county that resulted in this problem?
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I'm not sure that there was a mistake they made by the county.
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Be it.
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That there are many.
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Areas of accounting where there there is encroachments.
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Um on on roads.
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In this particular case, this is not a rule. This is an adjoining county property.
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Umm, And.
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Sometimes I think it has to do with how well the property surveyed, but I don't know. I didn't do the history as to who was
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responsible for for the original error. It seemed like a very strange triangle for the county to own. But I think you've answered
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my questions. Thank you.
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OK, Homer, so the triangle is what we're looking at selling these folks.
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Then what about the rest of the property to the right over to the next red line? That's up and down. Actually, the next three
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properties to the right belong to the county.
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Hmm.
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So, OK. So my next question would be for you, Jeff.
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Is there. I mean when I look at this and I look at that triangle, I don't see any other.
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Person being interested in this property, but from our standpoint, is there any way that we can tie this down to where these are
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the only people that can buy this property?
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We had a lot of discussions about this summer and I.
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And.
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The problem is that the statute.
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Says this has to be a public sale.
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And so if you begin to.
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Try to limit the people looking bid.
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At the auction you have.
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Eliminated the public sale you no longer compliant with statute.
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So.
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That's the situation is that the county doesn't have to sell this property.
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To the people that own.
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The encroaching property.
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They and arrow was made by them to build on finished properties.
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And the way that they can prevent.
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Somebody else buying this property is for them not to be outbid.
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We have to have a public auction in order to comply with the statute, so this would be actually an open auction. This is not just
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sealed bids or whatever, it has to be open to the public.
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In order to comply with this nation.
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And I was like.
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And so did my research and reading about all.
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The requirements for the county selling property, somebody made the comment, they said well.
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It looks like the legislature didn't want.
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The county officers to be.
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Giving away county property to their friends.
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And that's why they wrote the statute this way. And that was the comment that somebody made us.
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It's very strict.
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When the county sells property, this has to be.
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Done by a public auction.
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OK.
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Alright, alright, I think that's all the questions that I have.
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So with that, I'll entertain a motion.
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Mr. Chairman to adopt resolution #23-5-06. Mr. Chair, I'll second that having a motion in a second. All in favor, do so by saying
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aye. Aye, Aye, aye. Motion carries. Thank you. Home, Merrill. Thank you.
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Alright, on to E.
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Information Discussion Action to Approve an Amendment number one to contract number 101122 with Meridian Engineering Company.
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To increase the contract by $142,471.85.
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For a new contract amount of $2,943,567.85.
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And extend the term of the contract to July 28th, Homer.
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Thank you.
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In the spirit of bringing you the latest status of the Cell 3A expansion, there's two items of interest in this board. Item one of
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them is.
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For your action.
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The other one is an update of the another issue that we're addressing.
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The design of both have to take place at the same time and has taken place. The design is complete for all the things that we know
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are need to be corrected.
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And we have that in front of a DEQ. I just wanted to share that with you because.
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I'm going to walk through a series of things and then I'm going to interrupt the medal and say, and this also is happening.
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OK.
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So the history is that the bids were advertised and Meridian Insurance Company wants a low bid and was awarded the contract back
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in January of this year.
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Staff added a 25% contingency to that contract.
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The contract was for over close to $3,000,000. That's a 1% contingency.
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Pretty unusual and very low.
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I I would say in most cases that that should have required a 10% contingency, but anyway.
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I just just just mentioning that as a part of information for you to digest as we go through the rest of it also the contract had
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100 day construction period where they were meeting required to complete the landfill in 100 days.
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Thanks. So during excavation of cell three expansion it was the IT was discovered.
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That the limit of waste shown in the 1993 drawing that was used to design the expansion of the landfill was inaccurate. The simple
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way of saying that is people were dumping trash where they shouldn't have been dumping trash. They were dumping them outside of
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the limit of the existing landfill at the time, which can be referred to as stage two. OK, so they were outside of the limits of
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stage 2.
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And actually into the area where cell 3A were designed.
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It was covered up, it forgotten. We didn't discover it until the excavation took place. The adjustments to the 1993 waste limit
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have resulted in a redesign of the cell.
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And in this, it requires earthwork and additional liner material. So we discover that waste was there. Now we have to rethink how
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we design Cell 3A, because all of Cell 3A, including that new waste, has to have a liner and a leachate collection system.
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And that's what the engineer said, because?
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Is there work to do that?
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And we and and that's been that's been completed like I said the design has been completed.
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The the new design of Cell 3A, according to EPA and DEQ.
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It requires that no waste can be placed outside of the limit of waste unless it meets the regulation requiring a lining system and
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a leachate collection system. Like I mentioned just just a minute ago, our engineering team has created a new design.
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And it expands the cell liner to that new limit of waste.
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OK, so at the same time.
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At the same time, a little different than what we're asking you to take action on today.
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The excavation of cell 3/8 by Meridian and powder encountered water in a perched water table, so there's water that collected that
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at the bottom of the pit.
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As after the after the big rain that we had and and the water was increasing a significant amount every day, now it started to
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decrease. OK so this this was this was unknown that a perch water table was going to be in the way of the cell.
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And and and the new water table and and and that perched water table now requires a a pump system.
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And the pump system has been designed together with the liner.
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And all of these designs were were turned over to a few last Friday.
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Uh, the work. The engineering work was expedited.
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We we push forward with the contract company for them to know what the design is that while a DQ is.
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Looking at the design and approving it.
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The contract company is able to start thinking about what's what's the cost of the pump system going to be.
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They gave us an estimate.
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An estimate that we are not going to take action on it, but what I can share is that it is under $100,000.
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For the, for the, for the pumping system that's going to be required, OK. That's not for today, but that that comes in a future
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time, OK.
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So.
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We're what we're asking for you today is the.
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Um.
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Operate the funding of the additional excavation, the cotton shield that was required.
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4.
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The waste that was in the wrong place.
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And to pay for the additional liner material that's required to extend the cell 3A, Cell 3A.
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Into that limit of waste that was unknown at the time of the design.
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Um, so and this is going to take more time?
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More time for a DQ to approve. We're asking a DQ to expedite the approval.
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We've offered to to to go there any member of HeLa County, including any board of supervisor, that's what if that's where they
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would like to talk to. We, we've actually made it known to them that all of us can go visit them and talk to them about why this
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is important and why why everyday cost us money. We could because we continue to haul trash today. OK. So we're trying to make the
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