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  • 1. CALL TO ORDER - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE   2. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS:
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  • A. Information/Discussion/Action to adopt an Order to cancel the November 7, 2023, Tonto Basin Unified School District #33 election and appoint the individuals as shown on Schedule A of the Order for the term of office ending on December 31, 2024. (Roy Sandoval)
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  • B. Information/Discussion/Action to authorize the advertisement of Invitation for Bids No. 120422-Stagecoach Trail Improvements.(Homero Vela)
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  • C. Information/Discussion/Action to approve a Special Event Liquor License Application submitted by Love Where You Live for a special event to be held on August 2, 2023, at the Cobre Valley Recreation Center. (Fernando Shipley)   3. WORK SESSION ITEMS:
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  • A. Information/Discussion regarding the County Supervisors Association's (CSA) 2024 legislative proposals that will be considered at the October 11-13, 2023 CSA Legislative Summit. (James Menlove)
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  • B. Information/Discussion regarding the Finance Department's opportunities to improve services for Gila County departments and elected offices to include information accessibility. (Maryn Belling)
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  • C. Information/Discussion regarding Gila County ordinance restrictions to include zoning, building, grading and drainage, deeds, etc. (Randy Pluimer)
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  • D. Information/Discussion regarding recreational vehicles in Gila County as outlined in the Gila County Zoning Ordinance for Unincorporated Areas of Gila County. (Randy Pluimer)
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  • E. Information/Discussion regarding status updates on Facilities and Land Management Department capital projects. (Joseph Dickison/Dub Brittain)
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  • 4. CALL TO THE PUBLIC:  A call to the public is held for public benefit to allow individuals to address the Board of Supervisors on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Board members may not discuss items that are not specifically identified on the agenda. Therefore, pursuant to Arizona Revised Statute § 38-431.01(H), at the conclusion of an open call to the public, individual members of the Board of Supervisors may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Board, may ask staff to review a matter or may ask that a matter be put on a future agenda for further discussion and decision at a future date.
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Yeah. All right. So whether it seems nice up here, you can hear me. 00:00:17
All right. 00:00:23
This. 00:00:25
How we doing in patient Joseph? We're good. 00:00:31
That's clear. 00:00:35
We get on YouTube. 00:00:37
Good deal. What's in my glasses on? So don't read the wrong lines. 00:00:39
OK, welcome everyone to the special meeting Tuesday, July 25th. It is probably about 10:02. 00:00:45
And we'll start with the edge of the allegiance. 00:00:51
Tim, you want to lead us in the fridge? I'd be happy to. 00:00:56
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:01:01
Of the United States. 00:01:04
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:06
One day. 00:01:09
Monica. 00:01:10
Indivisible with liberty. 00:01:11
OK, on the regular agenda items #2A, information discussion action to adopt an order to cancel the November 7th, 23 Tunnel basin. 00:01:19
Unified School District #33 election. 00:01:29
And the point to individuals as shown on Schedule A of the order for the term term of office ending on December 34th, 31st, 24. 00:01:32
Good morning, Roy. Good morning. How are you? 00:01:38
Um. 00:01:45
A little explanation behind this. 00:01:46
The Toronto board. 00:01:49
5. 00:01:52
Elected officials on the town of Ward. 00:01:53
Two of them resigned. 00:01:56
Again. 00:01:58
Early May. 00:01:59
I went through a process to. 00:02:01
Point those two. 00:02:03
I appointed them in June, took about a month to go through all the candidates, that type of thing. 00:02:05
Once I appointed them. 00:02:13
Two more. 00:02:15
Board members from Toronto. 00:02:17
Resign. 00:02:18
So that left. 00:02:20
Basically. 00:02:22
Uh. 00:02:24
3. 00:02:25
And they have a quorum. 00:02:26
For me though, the. 00:02:28
The statutes give me authority to appoint board members. 00:02:30
I don't think that it is ethical. 00:02:35
For me to make a decision. 00:02:38
To end up appointing all five board members, all five elected officials. 00:02:40
To a school board and so consequently. 00:02:46
I and and that's what would have happened because of that. 00:02:49
So I called a special election. 00:02:53
Because in my mind, it's the people. 00:02:55
That need to. 00:02:57
Elect those folks. 00:02:59
So. 00:03:01
Ohh, we got the election ready. 00:03:01
And lo and behold, only two applicants filed. 00:03:04
For those so. 00:03:08
They would have to pay for that election to the tune of about $7000. 00:03:10
And so I am canceling the election and I will appoint those board members. 00:03:15
Appointed as elected. 00:03:19
Which I'm OK with. 00:03:22
Because. 00:03:24
Appointed as elected is very different than me just appointing they are appointed as elected. In other words, they will do their 00:03:25
entire term. 00:03:30
And it's the people. 00:03:35
From Tanner Basin. 00:03:37
That applied for the election and went through the paperwork and got the signatures. It's not me. 00:03:38
Finding somebody and appointing them. So I'm I'm OK with that because it's the people that have spoken in that case. 00:03:44
So consequently I can I can. 00:03:50
Go ahead and. 00:03:54
Undo their selection if you will, which is, which is fine. 00:03:56
Can I answer questions for you? 00:04:00
Thank you really Supervisor Humphrey. 00:04:02
I I I guess the question that comes to mind is. 00:04:05
Why the turnover at, you know, it seems like. 00:04:09
Wow. 00:04:13
It it it that that's the question that just comes off the topic. Sure, you know why? Why all of a sudden the major turnover, but 00:04:14
but I guess that's not something that I really need an answer to, because that's not anything I can deal with anyway. 00:04:21
The good question, Mr. Humphries, and a good answer to. 00:04:29
Um. 00:04:34
With with small districts or no with any districts districts certainly the the statutes give a great deal of authority and 00:04:34
autonomy to the local school district, the local governing board who are elected by their people. 00:04:41
Ohh, Just like the statutes give authority. 00:04:49
To me. 00:04:54
And to you. 00:04:55
Those are in separate. 00:04:57
Silos. So what happens sometimes? 00:04:59
And and it seems to be with small districts, they. 00:05:03
Controversies arise and the whole community. 00:05:07
Gets involved in these controversies. 00:05:12
And um. 00:05:14
It causes. 00:05:17
Occurrences like this to happen? 00:05:20
Do I wish I could step in the middle of it and say? 00:05:23
Let me help you. 00:05:26
You know. 00:05:28
I do. 00:05:29
But I have to be mindful of where the statutes, where my authority ends. 00:05:30
Right where it begins and and what I'm actually. 00:05:36
Authorized to do so do I do step in and say? 00:05:39
In terms of the. 00:05:45
Interim Superintendent and How can I help you? 00:05:48
How can I help with your finances? 00:05:51
Are there questions I can answer? Are there experiences that are there questions you have with the operations that you don't have 00:05:54
an expertise on? Can I lend a hand? 00:05:59
But I can't go in and. 00:06:06
Understand. Does that make sense? It does. I'm trying to be discreet here and I just hope what we do help. 00:06:09
What's that? I said. I understand which I support what you're doing and I understand. I just hope that what we do helps. 00:06:15
It it, what you do does help and and none of us like to see a. 00:06:22
A school board goes through this because, I mean, my experience is. 00:06:28
Once a board starts. 00:06:32
I call it kind of the Tippy Canoe. 00:06:35
It starts taking on water and it just takes on more and more and then it takes. 00:06:38
Seven or eight years to really get things squared away, so. 00:06:43
The best we can do is give help. 00:06:47
As much as possible until such time as that happens. That's the best I can. Thank you Supervisor Christensen. Thank you, Chairman. 00:06:50
Thank you, Roy. I understand your rationalization. 00:06:55
I just would refer to our legal opinion about whether or not you can actually appoint as elected versus just a point and and how 00:07:01
that works. 00:07:06
OK, the applicable statute here, it's a Rs 16410. Basically it's giving the board the power to eliminate the elections and 00:07:19
outpoint upon petitions being submitted, not a petition and application for candidacy. 00:07:28
So the board would have the ability to eliminate the elections and appoint in that regard not. 00:07:37
The Superintendent. 00:07:43
OK. 00:07:45
Thank you. You good? Yeah. 00:07:47
Roy, I'm good. So with that I'll entertain a motion. 00:07:49
Well, Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that. 00:07:55
We canceled the November 7th, 2023. 00:07:59
Tonal Basin Unified School District #33 Election Appoint The individual is shown on Schedule A. 00:08:04
Of the order for the term of office ending December 31st, 2024. 00:08:10
Mr. Chair, I'll second that having a motion, and second, all in favor, do so by saying aye, aye, aye, aye. Motion carries. 00:08:16
Thank you, Rory. Thank you. Hopefully that helps. 00:08:24
Onto to be information discussion action to authorize the advertisement of invitation. 00:08:27
Forbids number 120422. 00:08:33
Stagecoach trail improvements Homer Ohh. 00:08:36
Got you this morning. Good morning, Sir. How are you? Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Board members. 00:08:40
This is a request. 00:08:46
To advertise Invitation for bids number 120. 00:08:48
422 Stagecoach Trail Improvements Project. 00:08:52
The proposed work is in the Roosevelt Lake Resort community on Stagecoach Trail. 00:08:57
From Spur Trail to Antelope Trail. 00:09:03
The improvements consist of constructing new pavement. 00:09:07
Any concrete valley gutter for the two lane roadway with Side Street. 00:09:11
Credibly charged. 00:09:15
The project funding uses a transportation excise tax fund. 00:09:17
And is currently funded at $500,000. 00:09:22
Dibble Engineering has prepared planned specifications and a project estimate. 00:09:26
For advertisement. 00:09:31
The This community lies at the foothills of a nearby Mesa. 00:09:35
And is located on the east Bank of Pinole Creek. 00:09:39
During Storm advance the community. 00:09:43
Experiences inundation ranging in severity from nuisance ponding. 00:09:46
To St. and parcel inundation. 00:09:51
The primary objective of the project is to improve drainage. 00:09:55
And mitigate existing flooding potential. 00:09:59
And to reduce storm water related. 00:10:03
Maintenance for both residents and. 00:10:05
County staff. 00:10:09
The project is designed to collect and convey. 00:10:11
Water from a 10 year six hour storm event. 00:10:14
In conclusion, it is in the best interest of Heather County to solicit bids. 00:10:19
Or the Roosevelt Lake Resort Stagecoach Trail Improvements Project. 00:10:24
Again, the project is funded in the FY24 Transportation Excise Tax Fund for $500,000. 00:10:30
And this project will improve drainage. 00:10:38
And reduce the potential for flooding due to storm events. 00:10:41
And as a recommendation. 00:10:46
Is the recommendation of our public works department. 00:10:48
Director. 00:10:51
That the Board of Supervisors advertise this construction project. 00:10:53
To solicit bids for drainage improvements. 00:10:57
In the Roosevelt Lake resort community. 00:11:02
And I'll be happy to answer any questions. Alright, thank you. Supervisor Humphrey questions, comments. I don't have any 00:11:05
questions. This is when I've been riding for like 6 years. It's a drainage that I feel is is extremely necessary. 00:11:11
Because we've had work sessions on this before and and and we've displayed pictures and things that show. 00:11:19
Completely. You know neighborhoods that are underwater if we get storms and so to for this drainage to be coming up is. 00:11:26
Is. 00:11:35
Important. 00:11:36
To the residents there and and so I'm I'm glad to see it. 00:11:37
Come before us and I I have no questions because. 00:11:42
I've stayed with this project and get well informed as as we've gone forward with this. 00:11:46
Supervisor Christiansen, thank you. Thank you, Tom. 00:11:54
If I remember right, wasn't there a component here about? 00:11:57
The water company and water lines that went underneath and who's going to pay for what and and and so that's all been worked out. 00:12:00
It's it's still in the works as it stands right now in the plans and specifications. 00:12:06
We're going to encase any water mains that are in the way. We're going to encase them in cement slurry mix. 00:12:12
OK. However, the water company was recently sold. The new owners have come to us and expressed an interest. 00:12:20
In working with our contractor during our project, they would like for us to dig trenches at each intersection. 00:12:30
And also along Stagecoach Trail there's another section. 00:12:37
They would, then we would. 00:12:42
Our contractor would take a slight pause. They would come in. 00:12:43
Install the water mains. 00:12:47
Pressure test and chlorinate them. 00:12:49
Flush them out. 00:12:53
And get it. Get them operational. 00:12:54
Our role would be to dig the trenches. 00:12:57
Fine. Grade the trenches, Place the bedding material, backfill. 00:13:00
This is still in the works. Nothing's been finalized. It's not in the current plans that we're advertising. So this would be an 00:13:05
addendum to the project. 00:13:09
Our benefit would be that we would not have to use the cement slurry mix to encase the water mains. 00:13:14
That are in the way we would, the contractor would. 00:13:20
The water company would cut and plug those. 00:13:24
Those water mains and we would just remove them. 00:13:26
But again, this is all it's this is all. 00:13:29
In the works right now. OK. Thanks Tom. 00:13:32
So Tom with that there's change like that is you see a any big difference in the cost of the project or there could be some, but I 00:13:35
I kind of so they won't have to do the cement slurry. 00:13:40
If they won't have to take the time to gently expose these water mains, which are my understanding, they're pretty old and they 00:13:46
could break, so they've got to be pretty gentle with them. 00:13:51
So that will speed the contractor up in some. 00:13:56
Aspects in other aspects digging the trenches. 00:13:59
And then waiting for the water company to install the the water mains, that's going to slow us down. So hopefully it'll be a wash 00:14:02
as well I think. 00:14:06
OK. 00:14:10
Alright, thank you. With that again, a motion. 00:14:11
Mr. Chua. 00:14:15
I make a motion to authorize the advertisement of the invitation for bid number 120422, Stagecoach Trail Improvements. I will 00:14:16
second that. 00:14:21
Having a motion and second all in favor, do so by saying aye, aye, aye, aye. Motion carries. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Tom. 00:14:26
On to see 2C information discussion action to approve a special event liquor license. 00:14:32
Application submitted by Love Where You live for a special event to be held on August 2nd, 23 at the Cooper Valley Recreation 00:14:38
Center. Fernando Shipley, good morning, How are you? Good morning, Chairman, supervisors and staff. Thank you for accommodating me 00:14:44
on such short notice. 00:14:49
Apparently I tried to annex the Country Club into the city of Globe and you know, I thought it was in a city of Globe. I got 00:14:55
permission for the special event and got approved, Got it issued. 00:15:01
And then it turned out the Fire Chief informed me that it has actually in the county. 00:15:07
Um, so Michael Driscoll was kind enough to help me figure out what we could do. 00:15:13
So I called the Department of Liquor. 00:15:17
They cancelled that special event and are waiting for me to show up. 00:15:20
Hopefully with an approved special event through the county authorizing the special event it is for. 00:15:25
The Rural Policy Forum is going to be here in the Globe area for next week. 00:15:32
And so it'll be a special dinner, presentations, and we'll be running the bar for the Lions Club. 00:15:37
And Love where You Live is still Wilshire. She has a nonprofit that they're doing all the beautification around the area. So. 00:15:44
If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them. Thank you Fernando, Supervisor Humphrey and questions comments. I have 00:15:52
no questions other than I'm glad we're able to get you in front of us with a with a week to go before the event. So, well, thank 00:15:57
you for helping me. Appreciate that. Not a problem. 00:16:02
Thanks. I'm good too, Fernando. So good luck with your project. Thank you very. Ohh. I got it. I got a question coming. 00:16:09
Just of motion, it's not to approve the special special liquor license application, it's to submit. 00:16:18
A recommendation to the liquor board, but guys would approve it, OK? 00:16:25
You got that? 00:16:30
Supervising Christians getting there. 00:16:32
Recommend that recommendation to the board. 00:16:35
Chairman member supervisors are submitting a recommendation for approval. 00:16:41
To the liquor board. 00:16:45
OK. 00:16:48
I think I got all that down. Are you calling for a motion? Yep. OK, Mr. Chairman. 00:16:53
I will move to submit a recommendation for approval of the Special Event liquor license. 00:17:00
Submitted by The Love Where You Live. 00:17:07
For special event which will occur August 2nd, 2023 at the Cobra Valley Recreational Center. 00:17:10
I got a nod, so I'll second it. You are nod every motion in a second. All in favor. Do so by saying aye. Aye, aye, aye. Motion 00:17:19
carries. Thank you, Fernando. Good seeing you. 00:17:23
Have a good day. 00:17:34
On the #3 work session items 3A Information Discussion regarding the County Supervisors Associations, CSA 24 legislative 00:17:35
proposals. 00:17:40
That will be considered at the October 11th through the 13th CSA. 00:17:46
Legislative Summit James, Mr. Chairman and Members of Board of Social. 00:17:51
Remain seated here. 00:17:56
From this presentation. 00:17:58
Want to thank you Andy Jacobs for coming to join us here for this discussion from the Policy Development Group. 00:17:59
In the state of Arizona. 00:18:06
And representing Hannah County at the state legislature. 00:18:07
I wanted to and I put this on a copy of this on your. 00:18:11
On the counter there. 00:18:14
Of just kind of a summary of what we did with last year's legislatives. 00:18:16
CSA Legislative Summit. 00:18:22
And this one will be in October in Flagstaff. 00:18:24
That. 00:18:28
They'll have, we'll have that discussion of what we as as counties in Arizona are going to take to the Arizona State legislature. 00:18:30
The second session. 00:18:39
That they will have in January. 00:18:41
These are, first of all, the ones that we had just as CSA legislative coalition priorities. 00:18:44
One supporting the state county partnership. 00:18:50
Increased transportation investment. 00:18:53
And these are things that Craig when he came and reported to us that that he. 00:18:55
Went through with these once again show these, these are where the legislative priorities that we that were established as a part 00:19:00
of the summit. 00:19:04
The thing that that was there were positive result was there was a 12.5 million deposit state match advantage for rural 00:19:08
transportation program meaning that when there are matching requirements for certain grants. 00:19:14
That there are certain monies set aside the state level. 00:19:20
I also wanted to note that there was 500 something million that was set aside. 00:19:23
Because of there was a cash balance. 00:19:29
That. 00:19:31
If you travel N out of. 00:19:32
Globe. 00:19:35
You'll notice that down in the Canyon that the road was just warm, complete big huge pothole. 00:19:36
They have the the A dot has. 00:19:41
Paved on the southern portion of the road into Silver Canyon. 00:19:44
As completely repaid put on new service with asphalt. And so that was one thing that the state legislature did approve. 00:19:49
That 500 + 1,000,000 or specialized projects to get some new asphalt down. 00:19:55
And that's there are other ones in Healy County, but that was one. 00:20:02
Very specific that is made, made a big difference. 00:20:06
Expand access to broadband that There's new Rural Broadband Accelerated Match Point 3.6 million that is eligible for counties. 00:20:10
There's also about 100. 00:20:19
Billion I believe that it's set aside for. 00:20:22
Broadband throughout. 00:20:26
Arizona and. 00:20:27
This the Arizona Commerce Authority is having specific meetings. 00:20:30
Of how to determine? 00:20:33
Whether. 00:20:35
What is really underserved and not served areas of Arizona and so we're having those discussions and and we'll we'll have input to 00:20:38
the state the ACA. 00:20:42
To what is underserved, underserved and that. So that's something they'll be heavily discussed as part of the. 00:20:48
Summit this year. 00:20:55
Protect investments in public safety pensions. As you know, we as a county went through and. 00:20:58
And really addressed. 00:21:03
The issues of public safety pensions for Heela County. 00:21:06
The danger is, is that the state legislature will look at and say, Oh well, here the county. 00:21:09
We we did a bond and and sold those and and got caught up as far as PSPRS concerned. 00:21:14
Concern is, is they'll look at that and say we're fully funded or we're over 100% funded now. 00:21:20
But so we can grant a whole bunch of new. 00:21:25
Incentives to retract. 00:21:28
Firefighters and policemen and. 00:21:31
Deputies in that. 00:21:33
And so it's a continuous education process or state legislatures. No, we still have that debt on our books. We're managing. We're 00:21:34
doing it very wisely as a county. 00:21:39
But through. 00:21:44
We can't get out of line of what is a healthy retirement system. And so the state Legislatures County Supervisors Association. 00:21:46
Commits significant resources to that education and making sure that we don't get in a bad way again with our retirement plans. 00:21:54
As far as the, the, the. 00:22:04
The unions that are trying to. 00:22:09
Talent for better benefits for public safety people. 00:22:12
I I think that there is just a personal opinion, but I believe that they are off base saying that we need to have all these new 00:22:16
benefits because in my opinion of what's attracting. 00:22:21
Individuals to come and work in jobs for the county. 00:22:26
Across the counties and across in government, regardless of what they are, including public safety, is the the bottom line. 00:22:29
Salaries. The wages. 00:22:33
And the more money you put into a benefit that a new recruit? 00:22:37
Doesn't see for. 00:22:41
30-40 fifty years. 00:22:43
They could really care less about that. They want to get that money in their pocket now. 00:22:46
And so. 00:22:50
Enhancing benefits takes away from our ability. 00:22:51
To put money in the pockets of our. 00:22:54
Detention officers are detectives and. 00:22:57
And others in the Sheriff's Office, so. 00:23:00
Ohh. 00:23:03
Very important in my opinion, that we always that CSA and all of us address that. 00:23:04
UH addresses challenges in probation funding. As you know the the state legislature has wanted to pass on more. 00:23:10
Costs for probationers. 00:23:17
Two counties and if we give a raise then the county then the state legislature will sit wants to say well that's on the counties 00:23:21
and the counties has to. 00:23:25
Because in probation, there's. 00:23:29
About half of the probation officers are funded by the state of Arizona. 00:23:32
And about half of them are funded by the county. But we can't say, OK, well, we're going to give a raise to. 00:23:36
Just the probation officers that are. 00:23:41
Paid for through the county general fund. 00:23:44
And so we give an across the board. 00:23:47
And that's why a year ago when we talked about raises, there was a. 00:23:49
Pretty good discussion about that here with you as a board. 00:23:53
But the state legislature, they wanted to. 00:23:57
They they had it in their bills up to the very end of. 00:24:00
Of saying yeah, the counties you've gotta absorb whatever there is, but. 00:24:02
CSA was able to get that pulled out and then also appropriated 6.75 million to cover those salary increases. So we're good for the 00:24:06
coming year in probation funding and they can get all the raises that you have approved. 00:24:13
For all county employees. 00:24:20
Juvenile corrections. There was a time, shortly after the Great Recession, that all counties had to kick in to pay for a state 00:24:24
department. 00:24:28
They are the juvenile corrections. 00:24:32
Overtime, the counties got away from that, except there has been for the last several years. 00:24:35
Mark Probably and Pima counties had to continue to pay for a state department. 00:24:40
This last year, Pima County was taken away from that, eliminated from that. 00:24:45
Payment of a state. 00:24:50
Department of 1.7 million savings for Pima County. 00:24:52
Mercer County is still paying 6.7 million to that state. 00:24:55
Managed department. 00:24:58
And then the flexibility, language, flexibility language I have through the county Management Association have argued. 00:25:00
Repeatedly. 00:25:07
And I probably. 00:25:08
Irritated few counties. 00:25:10
That utilizes flexibility and language and what that is is that. 00:25:13
It allows for if you have a special district. 00:25:17
In. 00:25:21
You're counting like. 00:25:22
We have several special districts in the county, but one that we utilize is the Library district. 00:25:24
And if we use this flexibility, flexibility language, we could take up to $1.25 million from. 00:25:30
Taxes that are intended for the library district and put that into the general fund. 00:25:37
So there's two counties that utilize this now. Now all county did for a number of years. I believe that they have discontinued the 00:25:41
use of it, but they will pause county. 00:25:46
And. 00:25:52
There are certain reasons there and also Apache County. 00:25:53
That those two utilize like they have a. 00:25:56
Juvenile corrections. 00:25:59
Jail district in. 00:26:00
Apache County that they're taking that money and putting it into their general fund. 00:26:02
To help subsidize general county expenditures. 00:26:06
So that's what this flexibility language is allows is taking. 00:26:10
Tax dollars that are intended for a special district Special district that was approved by the voters. 00:26:14
Taking it out of that intended purpose. 00:26:20
That was approved by the voters and put it into the general fund. 00:26:22
And I've argued that those things need to be cleaned up because they were. This was originally implemented instituted during. 00:26:26
The Great Recession. 00:26:32
Allowed flexibility that when the state was. 00:26:34
Not only reducing county revenues, but also passing expenses on the county. It was pretty essential. 00:26:37
In a lot of ways. 00:26:42
But we've been long since past the regular session. 00:26:45
And they're still utilizing this and so my. 00:26:49
My philosophy or my challenge to counties that use it, is what happens when the economy turns sour again. What turn, what happens 00:26:53
when we go South And you've got to have that and you're already utilizing it and taking all that out. 00:26:59
Then there's no. 00:27:06
Ability. 00:27:08
To manage through a downturn in the economy. 00:27:10
So those are the the. 00:27:14
State the counties overall what the County Supervisors Association has addressed with the state legislature. 00:27:16
The ones that we brought to the. 00:27:23
Legislative Summit. There were 15 proposals that were made. 00:27:25
To and they are listed here one through. 00:27:29
One through 15. 00:27:32
Of those 15 that we had discussions spent. 00:27:34
A good 5-6 hours discussing these items. 00:27:38
With all the other counties. 00:27:41
And and in the end. 00:27:43
Of those 15, there were only. 00:27:45
I believe. 00:27:47
Four or five that actually got approved for the county supervisor association. 00:27:49
To carry forward. 00:27:55
Um. 00:27:57
You're right, there's 12345. 00:28:01
6:00 and 7:00. 00:28:05
Several of them. So half of them, less than half got taken to as part of the. 00:28:06
Platform. 00:28:12
Of the County Supervisors Association. 00:28:13
Of those seven that actually made it to. 00:28:16
CSA and taking to the state legislature, there were four that actually. 00:28:20
Were put into bills. 00:28:24
And they're indicated in green that one that was mental health evaluation modifications. 00:28:26
And what this was is that they. 00:28:31
Required in rural counties. Required two doctors to do a mental health and evaluation. 00:28:33
And that's just really hard because we don't have the available resources, so they've changed. So you have to have one doctor and 00:28:38
one. 00:28:41
Umm. 00:28:45
Nurse practitioner or something like that. So have. 00:28:47
Able to address that. 00:28:50
School district legal representation. 00:28:52
That was where the county. 00:28:55
Attorney's office was having to represent school districts and the. 00:28:57
College community, College districts required to. 00:29:02
There's new flexible language that the county attorneys office can. 00:29:05
Say yeah we were able to do that or no we're not that they're they're not mandated that they have to that they can. 00:29:09
Take a consideration in their workload and also sometimes there's a conflict of interest and they're required to represent. 00:29:15
The county board supervisors. 00:29:22
But so they don't have to represent both sides or this conflict of interest. 00:29:25
Taxpayer protection. 00:29:30
And that's just reducing the amount of. 00:29:32
Things that have to be. 00:29:35
Advertised. 00:29:36
Which sometimes gets extensive. 00:29:38
And finally, biosolid restrictions for Yuma County. 00:29:41
And they have a big deal on the West Coast of Arizona. 00:29:45
Of taking garbage out of California and. 00:29:49
Putting it onto Arizona property and so there's some issues with that. 00:29:52
So as we. 00:29:56
It takes a lot to actually have a discussion about what we want to do as as our legislative platform wanted to have the discussion 00:29:59
with you here today. 00:30:04
Any issues that you might? 00:30:09
Have thought about or considered? 00:30:10
And to we've got Andy, as I mentioned here with us today, that we can put this together as a package to bring it to the 00:30:13
Legislative Summit. 00:30:17
These any issues that we want to bring to CSA or required? 00:30:21
By a week from Friday. 00:30:25
On August. 00:30:27
Which Monday? 00:30:29
This coming Monday, August 7th. 00:30:30
And so we need to have this discussion that if there there's anything we want to to have. 00:30:33
Want to present a couple. I know there's one for Steve, Roger Humphrey and I'm going to let you see Roger Humphrey present that 00:30:38
and discuss that as you want about the. 00:30:43
Payment of taxes by cash in that if you wouldn't mind. 00:30:48
But one is 1 is the. 00:30:52
Different money that we received based on our. 00:30:55
Our. 00:30:59
The fires, wildland fires that we've had here in HeLa County that for two years on the road, the state legislature saw how 00:31:01
devastated Helen County and Coconino counties, whereby. 00:31:06
Qualifiers. 00:31:11
And appropriated. 00:31:12
Significant amounts of money. 00:31:14
And of that money? 00:31:16
We have been able to utilize to get equipment that we need. 00:31:18
And to get sandbags and other things that help us. 00:31:21
To mitigate the circumstances of flooding that we received. 00:31:24
As you know for this. 00:31:28
In this year's budget. 00:31:30
That money was not appropriated to. 00:31:32
Through the through them. 00:31:35
And so through Coconino County. 00:31:38
And I've talked to. 00:31:41
Cooking County soup. 00:31:43
Coconino County Manager Steve Peru. 00:31:45
About. 00:31:49
Putting forward a proposal that there would be $35 million included in the state budget annually. 00:31:52
And this $35 million would be intended specifically for counties because you know the money that was originally allocated up to 00:31:57
140 something million. 00:32:01
That was originally allocated went partly to counties and partly to the state. Not different things. 00:32:06
This is a request to have $35 million appropriated. 00:32:11
To the Department of Forestry and Fire Management. 00:32:14
Annually so that there can be money available not just for. 00:32:17
Repairing damage done by floods, but in. 00:32:22
Thinning and other projects that will help to deal with. 00:32:26
Forest fires and help to reduce the magnitude of forest fires as they come on so. 00:32:30
I have indicated that we would definitely be as a county as far as I was concerned. 00:32:35
Interested in supporting this? Maybe even Co sponsoring this with? 00:32:40
Coconino County. 00:32:44
And. 00:32:46
Would put this forward for any discussion and that there might be a. 00:32:49
Of requesting. 00:32:54
Through County Square Association, the 35 million for. 00:32:55
Are to be countered different for use by counties in. 00:32:59
Fighting for forest fires and. 00:33:04
Mitigating damage that comes from that, from fighting post fire and also. 00:33:07
Helping to deal with. 00:33:12
Forced and reduce the magnitude of forest fires. 00:33:14
It's done. 00:33:18
James, I was able to have a little bit of discussion with him in in Texas about this as well and I I think it's a I think it's a 00:33:20
good plan. I think the I think there needs to be some kind of. 00:33:26
Parameter set. 00:33:33
By just how much would you be willing to put in? 00:33:34
Into project based. 00:33:38
On 1st or and hold. 00:33:41
How much in reserves for emergency circumstances? 00:33:45
Because we never know when that big rain's gonna hit us and roads are gonna flood and things like that, so. 00:33:49
I mean. 00:33:54
I I think I don't know how you would do that, I guess is what I'm saying. 00:33:55
But I think the the proposal, not the. 00:34:00
The whole idea of this is good. You know it's. 00:34:03
With any luck, we wouldn't spend any of it on the emergency side of it, you know, and be able to spend someone on projects. But so 00:34:07
with that, I I don't know if you guys thought about how that would be. 00:34:12
Handled or or percentage wise what that 35 million you can look at for project based. 00:34:18
Um. 00:34:25
Solutions or or whatever. 00:34:26
Mr. Chairman, haven't had that discussion at this point in time. 00:34:28
But certainly that is under consideration and as you know, Governor. 00:34:33
The governor. 00:34:37
There was some money left in the account that had originally been appropriated. 00:34:39
And the governor stopped any. 00:34:44
Projects ahead of time. 00:34:46
So that there would be money available for any emergencies, just like you're talking about that during the monsoon season, if 00:34:47
there were any emergencies that they're ensure that there's money left side, so that would. 00:34:53
Definitely mean. 00:34:58
Something that would need to be addressed, but as far as I know. 00:34:59
That's not been discussed. 00:35:02
OK. 00:35:04
Alright that that would be my main question. Other otherwise I think the thought behind it is good and I do and. 00:35:05
And I think right now we might have like. 00:35:11
Around $6,000,000 committed in projects that still get wrapped up and finished, but. 00:35:14
So. 00:35:20
That's my thoughts. How about you guys? 00:35:23
Yeah, I'm all for for money, for prevention and things, but we also need. 00:35:26
Some for rebuilding infrastructure that we lost during some of these floods we have. 00:35:30
You know in in my district we've got the hospital that's not protected. We got, you know Russell roads washed out and and that 00:35:35
power station. 00:35:39
Is right there by the landfill it it's still unprotected. 00:35:43
And Roosevelt we got. 00:35:47
You know. 00:35:49
A wash that floods out and we've got water and homes, so you know, after these. 00:35:50
Fires. 00:35:56
I I think money for prevention and and money to. 00:35:58
Help keep some of these floods from being as damaging. 00:36:01
But, but once they've damaged I, I I think, well, it's it's apparent that we need infrastructure money because we haven't had 00:36:05
those fires and since those fires we haven't been able to rebuild anything. 00:36:10
We've got a lot of engineering done and we've got we've spent some money on on what we can do. 00:36:16
But we don't have any money to do anything other than sit and watch. 00:36:22
Some of these things fall apart the next rain we get, so. 00:36:26
Yeah, on, on that particular deal. 00:36:30
I I would like to see some. 00:36:33
You know some infrastructure for after. 00:36:35
After these damaging effects. 00:36:38
Steve again, anything you want? Yeah, about that. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you, James, for that. Yeah, I look forward to the October. 00:36:42
Time we're gonna have in Flagstaff. 00:36:49
The. 00:36:51
I wanted to clarify though on this flexibility language of the CSA is recommending that we keep that. 00:36:52
And you are as well. 00:36:59
I I kind of got a little lost in there. 00:37:02
Sorry. 00:37:04
I I believe that the two counties that can that continue to use that are going to request that would be a part of the CSA 00:37:05
platform. OK, I do not support it. You don't support it. 00:37:10
And. 00:37:16
I'm glad to hear that. I just, I understand. So yeah, I think it's gets to a dangerous point where we can sort of take. 00:37:17
Monies out of. 00:37:24
Pockets that the voters have. 00:37:26
Voted that that's for that project, not for some other project. So yeah, OK. Thank you for that clarification. 00:37:29
That's all I am. So James, back to that $35 million. 00:37:37
Why? Why was it $35 million? Do you know? 00:37:41
Mr. will leave that to an approximate amount of what was from those original appropriations to appropriations. 00:37:45
That was what was committed to counties. 00:37:51
We have. 00:37:55
To date, there's been spent almost 65 million, so about 70 million that was appropriated from 35 million each year that was 00:37:59
appropriated to counties. 00:38:03
And about 60. 00:38:08
64.6 million, so there's like we said about 6 million that's remaining. 00:38:10
That can be spent, that the governor put on hold. 00:38:15
So I believe that that was the amount that would. 00:38:18
Appropriated fork county use. 00:38:22
The 35 million. 00:38:24
Approximately. 00:38:26
Everyone say that we have as a county, Mr. Chairman, members of board $13.6 million of money that was has. 00:38:28
Through that money, 13.6 million that has come to heal a county. 00:38:36
And using Healer County. 00:38:39
For all the different things that we have. 00:38:41
The big user, of course, is cooking up kind of 41. 00:38:43
$42 million. 00:38:47
That they've used. 00:38:48
That, and a lot of that was their water line come off the peaks. 00:38:49
There. 00:38:53
That's where the big. 00:38:53
Expenditure for Coconino was. 00:38:55
Other you know as far as project wise I think because of the. 00:38:58
Wide areas that we had, we had way more projects. 00:39:02
But it was money I were thankful we had, thankful we had it to spin where we did so. 00:39:07
But I'm just curious on how that's gonna be. 00:39:13
Deep. 00:39:17
Determine where, how much goes where and stuff like that I. 00:39:17
That's that's my biggest curiosity I guess I I need to research that. 00:39:21
Forcefully and look into that if if if there will be parameters limitations on what it can be used for, what should be. 00:39:27
Q Score. 00:39:33
And have that specification. 00:39:34
In the legislature, should they appropriate the money? 00:39:36
And then I see right Humphrey, as you said. 00:39:40
There's still a great, great need. 00:39:44
And here the county, Absolutely. You know, and and and I'm glad Tim brought it up, but Russell Rd. 00:39:46
And maybe this is a time because this is fire related and part of. 00:39:52
Need to be that money. But where are we with Russell Rd. What's what's really the? 00:39:56
As chairman, if that's OK, we'll have Homer. We've had several discussions on that. Homer is looking into that and. 00:40:02
Continuing to pursue what we do as Russell Rhodes, So did did you, Homer. 00:40:08
Chairman. Yeah, Chairman and board members and county manager hold it. 00:40:12
That discussion is not on the on the agenda, even though it's part of the fire and the washouts and our projects and everything we 00:40:16
tried to get approved. It's a trust. 00:40:20
Yeah, Chairman, it's a stretch. 00:40:24
You're saved by the Bell, Homer. 00:40:27
Mr. Chairman, I'll let me just say that that is continuing to be pursued actively. 00:40:30
And Homer and his team are. 00:40:35
Looking at. 00:40:38
It's an expensive project, probably $25 million. 00:40:39
The cost of building Tunnel Creek Bridge to repair Russell. 00:40:43
Road and so. 00:40:47
That's the challenge all on the go. 00:40:50
She can watch me. 00:40:55
Yes, Sir. 00:40:58
So the savior of bruised game, baby. We'll move on. Yes, thank you. That'd be great. 00:41:01
Mr. Chair, back to just one question and and then we'll we'll move on, but back to that flexible flexibility language on counties 00:41:08
using funds. 00:41:12
You know, I wonder where that fits in with the state. 00:41:17
State auditors. 00:41:19
Because it would seem that that would be more of an issue of support or not support, if the auditors are fine with it. 00:41:21
I'm not going to go against Tyler County surviving or what they're doing with their funds. 00:41:27
But I I I would like some input before I supported or didn't support something on how. 00:41:32
How the state auditors felt about how they were. 00:41:38
Dealing with their funding and that's that's just my two cents worth and I don't need an answer. 00:41:41
And that's just that's just my $0.02 worth. 00:41:46
Some point in time, we can move on to what we'd like to have out of for the for the next. 00:41:50
Legislative summits. But yeah, that's that's Chairman Roger Roger on free. 00:41:57
Good question. 00:42:03
Really, the state auditors has no say in it if the state legislature passes a law. 00:42:05
That says you can use Flood Control District money. 00:42:11
To pay for. 00:42:15
Detention officer salaries and the general fund. Then the state legislature said it's OK. 00:42:20
And so. 00:42:25
Well, the state auditor can't say it's an appropriate use of funds or not because it's been approved by law. 00:42:27
OK. 00:42:35
Second one, Mr. Chairman, there's your permission. 00:42:38
One wanted to talk about is. 00:42:41
The. 00:42:44
The lands out here out by the Fairgrounds. 00:42:45
And we had put in the head of discussion in a work session and actually had taken some. 00:42:49
An item to the Board of Supervisors to approve pursuing. 00:42:55
Purchase of state lands out by the fairgrounds. Parcel of 120 acres to the West, the fairgrounds of 160 acres to the South. 00:42:59
For the for grounds total of 100 and 280 acres. 00:43:07
State the state. 00:43:11
Land department came back to the county and said. 00:43:15
Umm. 00:43:18
We're not sure if we want to allow the county to continue to pursue acquisition of that land because we feel like that in 10 years 00:43:20
time that it's going to. 00:43:25
I'd be worth more. It's only just going to let it sit for 10 years and then maybe, maybe the state land department can sell it for 00:43:32
more money than we than they could currently. 00:43:36
And in speaking with Representative Cook. 00:43:42
He said that there's potentially be some legislative things and. 00:43:45
I won't say what else he mentioned about it, but that. 00:43:50
So I want to take a look at and potentially put in. 00:43:54
A proposal? 00:43:58
That would differentiate in state statute. 00:44:00
The difference between what a developer goes to the state land department about acquiring, purchasing state lands that they're 00:44:03
going to develop turn into homes or businesses, whatever it might be. 00:44:09
That's a poor profit. 00:44:15
Business enterprise are utilizing those state lands of course that is at a premium, a premium cost to the revenues or sales price. 00:44:19
Form back to the State Land Department. Now these state land departments, they're they're supposed to be used for education and 00:44:29
different things. 00:44:32
And so they do want to make sure they get the maximum dollars and reinvest those dollars back into. 00:44:35
The state of around going through education and other things. 00:44:41
But. 00:44:44
There's an equally important purpose of. 00:44:46
Giving back to the community community that we have, why we have a fairgrounds or a park or recreation activity or are things that 00:44:50
we have. 00:44:54
That the counties purpose is not necessarily. 00:44:58
To. 00:45:03
Make a profit. 00:45:04
On acquiring a 280 acres. 00:45:06
Four models. 00:45:10
North of globe that our intent is to benefit the citizens, benefit the public. 00:45:11
Through different things of. 00:45:18
Being able to recreate in Heela County, being able to have open spaces or parks and and trails and different things of that 00:45:21
nature. 00:45:25
I wouldn't with Supervisor Humphrey. 00:45:29
Last week. 00:45:32
Toward the fairgrounds and to look and see where we're at with that property and things that we could potentially do in there. 00:45:33
There's a lot. There's a a list of things that bring benefit to the public. 00:45:38
So I want to have into your consideration and. 00:45:43
Umm. 00:45:47
Paid by the Senate to have a. 00:45:49
Unless you say no, we're we're we just follow whatever the laws are to see if there's something we can do that with Jeffrey and 00:45:51
you between a government. 00:45:55
Trying to acquire state land. 00:45:59
And a developer. 00:46:01
Trying to. 00:46:03
I am to. 00:46:04
Acquire state land that there's two separate purposes and there's a that a different value. 00:46:06
Part of the problem with. 00:46:12
With the county and going through to. 00:46:13
Go through this whole process. We have to invest money to go through this process to acquire state land. 00:46:17
But then at the end of the day, after we've invested, well, maybe several 1000 dollars, $10,000, whatever it might be. 00:46:24
That the the property goes up for auction. 00:46:31
And that goes to the highest bidder. 00:46:36
So here we are, a government that's investing to look to not gain. 00:46:38
From it to give a quality of life investment for the citizens of Heela County. 00:46:44
And somebody can come in that wants to develop it and will make Per Turner profit. 00:46:50
And if they did $1.00 more than Healey County can. 00:46:55
That property would go to the developer. 00:46:59
After Gonna County has done all you have to do. 00:47:02
Research on you know you know, is it? 00:47:05
All the different things, not as much as the environmental statement, but we have to go through a lot of that same process to look 00:47:08
at the property and. 00:47:12
And see what impacts it would have by. 00:47:15
The state selling that property. 00:47:18
So want to see if we need to clarify some of that in state statute. 00:47:21
Mr. Chairman. 00:47:26
James. 00:47:28
Thank you, James. 00:47:29
So. 00:47:32
I see what you're saying. 00:47:35
Umm. 00:47:38
I I. 00:47:41
I'm not sure how that will work. 00:47:42
You know and and in theory it's already there. It's already the same, just because of the fact that it goes to an auction. 00:47:46
After it gets in the process. 00:47:52
So. 00:47:55
It. 00:47:56
So with that being the case. 00:47:57
You know, if if we were bidding against two or three other developers or whatever, it's just however much money we would want to. 00:48:00
Bit on the property. 00:48:08
It still has. They still have the opportunities. 00:48:09
To make as much money. 00:48:12
Is that properties gonna make? 00:48:14
Should there should there be a differentiation in state statute between a government? 00:48:19
And a developer. 00:48:25
A for profit. 00:48:26
Enterprise. 00:48:28
Part of me says yes and part of me says no. 00:48:30
You know, because I look at it too, for you're absolutely right, you know, for us to acquire it, we can use it for different 00:48:33
reasons that benefits the public. 00:48:37
But also there's a housing need in a lot of our areas. 00:48:42
That. 00:48:46
The developer would. 00:48:47
You know, contribute to that. 00:48:50
Probably at a. 00:48:52
A higher price, let's say if we did affordable housing, a developer may do high end housing, whatever. 00:48:55
The other thing over there is is. 00:49:01
Is if a developer buys it. 00:49:03
The City of Globe has it annexed. It's in Globe. 00:49:06
And then they they make more off of it see, than what they're gonna make off of us, what we would provide. So, so there's 00:49:10
different. 00:49:14
Kind of different ways of looking at this I. 00:49:18
You know, so for us to have a. 00:49:21
A preference over a developer or whatever, I don't, I don't know. 00:49:25
Ohh. 00:49:29
What do you guys think? 00:49:30
Well. 00:49:34
I I think that could be something to take to the legislature. 00:49:35
To see if they differentiate between a government reaching for a piece of property or private developer reaching for a piece of 00:49:39
property and the reason I say that. 00:49:43
Is because as Mr. Minoff said. 00:49:48
If if we pursue this, then we have to do all the studies, we have to pay for all the studies. 00:49:52
Before this section will even be set aside for bid. 00:49:57
And then once it's set aside 4 bit. 00:50:02
We can bid on it, but there's no differentiation between. 00:50:05
Us and anyone else. 00:50:09
So I I would think that if someone went through. 00:50:11
A government entity I that would be up to the state of whether they felt. 00:50:17
That. 00:50:22
Because we we reached to try to. 00:50:23
For that property because it's adjoining some property that we recreate in. 00:50:27
That there should be some kind of. 00:50:34
Safety net that we are not doing spending all of our taxpayers money. 00:50:36
To clear a portion of property. 00:50:42
To create more recreation that goes up for bid. 00:50:45
To the world. So I would think that would be for the state legislation to say OK, if if they want to add a little bit more to the 00:50:49
recreational area, then that should be separate from just. 00:50:54
A private developer going through all the process to put it up and then it goes for bid. So I would say if if something we could 00:51:00
take to them but but you never know how the state legislature is going to go but I would like to see some kind of safety net. 00:51:07
If we're going to reach out and spend money for all testing. 00:51:15
And all the. 00:51:19
Jump through all the hoops to to take that portion of property out. 00:51:20
That there should be some kind of safety net and and. 00:51:24
In going forward with the property so. 00:51:28
That that is where I'm at. But that would be up to state legislators say ohh that's that's that sounds good or or it doesn't. 00:51:30
But like any of these that we take to them. 00:51:37
I think say sure we'll work on it or or no, it it doesn't reach the bar. So and if it doesn't reach the bar then it's up to us on 00:51:42
whether we want to step in. 00:51:48
And and spend the the money needed. 00:51:53
To make this property available to whoever so. 00:51:57
It wouldn't hurt to put it before them, but I'm not sure how they would vote on it. So in this process though James, I maybe I 00:52:01
misunderstood but. 00:52:06
I thought even though we put the money up to get the the project rolling and started. 00:52:11
Somewhere later on when that project sold or whatever it is, we get the money back if we didn't get it. 00:52:17
Is that the case or am I just dreaming? 00:52:23
Mr. Chairman, we have a $2000 application fee that we paid to State Land Department to start the application. 00:52:26
The rest of the fees I don't. 00:52:33
I'm not certain that we get refunded for them. 00:52:36
Yeah. 00:52:39
That's something I agree with Tim on. Is that any other money that we do put in there to start a project like that, no matter 00:52:42
what, whether we win it or we don't. 00:52:46
If we're the contributing agency in this, then. 00:52:51
That had to pay this in order for them to sell it. We should have a chance to recoup that money at the end if we don't get it. 00:52:55
Or be taken off the. 00:53:01
Total of the project and we pay the balance or whatever it is. 00:53:03
Chairman, one of the original things that I proposed and and also for our property up on. 00:53:08
260 and pace of across across from the University way. 00:53:14
That. 00:53:18
One of the things that. 00:53:20
Again, bandwidth to get these done, but. 00:53:23
A work looking at for workforce housing. 00:53:25
And that's what was A proposal was given to the state land department of a potential use for this is workforce housing. 00:53:28
You know, private developer and they're going to get best use, best financial return. 00:53:34
Umm. 00:53:39
Both areas of health county have great need for workforce housing. 00:53:40
Housing in general. 00:53:45
Um. 00:53:47
And would like to. 00:53:48
Look as a county as we go forward. 00:53:50
In that vein, and to. 00:53:52
Try to help our workforce out. 00:53:55
As much as we can. 00:53:57
So I think I'm in line by talking about this, Jessica. But you'll tell me if I'm not, I'm sure so. 00:54:00
Not very long ago I had discussion actually. It was when we were a pioneer, past visiting with the kids up there on Project. 00:54:06
A gentleman works for the forest services named Devin Quintana. 00:54:13
Is up higher in the supervisors office and it did him and the district Ranger from the Globe district here were both there that 00:54:17
day. And so we were talking about different things and projects and kids and what was going on. 00:54:23
But it came up that the four services is wanting out of this station down here, they want to do away with this station. 00:54:29
And they want to relocate. 00:54:37
So one of the things I asked them was because they brought it up. 00:54:39
Was that they were interested in moving out towards the fairgrounds right there. And so one of the questions I asked him was, 00:54:43
would you guys be willing to set it on the table and talk about that? Because we also have an interest in some property around the 00:54:49
around the fairgrounds and maybe there's a way we can go in with the joint venture that would. 00:54:55
Would satisfy them. You know their need about 1020 acres or whatever it is to to relocate. 00:55:02
And I said, and I know that the county is kicking around different ideas on some property out there, so. 00:55:08
That that may be something that. 00:55:13
That will work out and build a better case for us to do something like that with the state. 00:55:16
Convert. 00:55:23
Mr. Chair, I think that would still fall in in a government agency. 00:55:24
Having some kind of differential. 00:55:28
Preference on the properties rather than just open them up to bid. 00:55:31
And so I think it's worth looking at myself. 00:55:36
To see if. 00:55:40
Like to add to our recreational or for affordable housing or things that we want to work with? 00:55:41
That it wouldn't just be a potluck deal. 00:55:47
If the legislature would have, would allow. 00:55:50
Umm. 00:55:53
Looking at something to see if we couldn't get some kind of. 00:55:54
Perform action from the state board. 00:55:57
Rural counties. 00:56:00
And I told that would that would vote that would all work in the same bowl of soup. And I hear what you're saying the difference 00:56:01
would be is we're rolling in a federal agency that wants out of where they're at. 00:56:06
And I think it might give us a little higher standing in the state. 00:56:11
To be work. 00:56:15
Cooperating with another. 00:56:16
Agency like that. Not just the you know hey Heela County, we want it for. 00:56:18
Or, you know, whatever it is. But there's actually a another need that would go along with ours. 00:56:24
And all other candidate kind of warm area, I believe the original fairgrounds. 00:56:31
And I don't think we'll have that option this at this point, but. 00:56:36
Do not believe that the original fairgrounds went to auction. 00:56:41
That it was a an arrangement with the state Land Department. 00:56:44
And it was headed over for fair market value and appraised value, but that there were deed restrictions that had to be used for. 00:56:49
For the fairgrounds, essentially, and government purposes like that. 00:56:57
So I don't know that we can rely on that but that. 00:57:02
You know, maybe that's something we push through the state legislature and just get a specific saying, say land department, you're 00:57:06
gonna sell the Hill County. 00:57:09
This this property for this amount of money. 00:57:13
That may be a way to get through the state legislature, which you've turned to Andy Ford. 00:57:16
And he can work his magic through any work his marriage and get that property deeded to us. 00:57:21
For for fair market value. 00:57:27
Mm-hmm. 00:57:29
Well, I made it through that conversation without Jessica getting after me. 00:57:31
She was quite with. 00:57:35
Stevie Yeah, just listening. It seems a little silly in a way, but. 00:57:38
To to make it so confusing. So either the state. 00:57:44
Is willing to sell it or it's not. So if they say, well go ahead and fill out all the paperwork, apply through all that and go 00:57:48
through all the motions and then. 00:57:52
Well, no, we're not going to sell it now. 00:57:58
And. 00:58:00
Either is for stair or it's not for sale. Either it's available or it's not available. So it's like going in and getting an 00:58:03
appraisal on a home and then saying would you sell your house? 00:58:07
It's it's out of order. You they need to have some kind of a. 00:58:13
Things said, Well, if you go through all these motions then the property will be available. 00:58:16
Umm. 00:58:21
It's not like it's the only property within 100 miles. 00:58:23
To me it's just like a place where scorpions live, so. 00:58:28
I I just don't understand why. 00:58:32
They're using it as some kind of a. 00:58:34
You know, super. 00:58:38
Valuable thing they have to protect or something and then look at it in 10 years. 00:58:39
This job was willing to sell it to us Or not. Either way. 00:58:44
Allstate Land is up for sale, supposedly, Yeah. It's a matter of whether they want to work it or not. It's just a matter of 00:58:47
internal. 00:58:51
What do they feel like today? 00:58:56
They told us we're gonna wait for 10 years, but then I've had subsequent conversations with them over the last two or three 00:58:59
months. 00:59:02
And that we are pushing forward. 00:59:05
On that to have that continue to have those discussion discussions with the State Land Department to continue looking at that and 00:59:09
we're continuing to push forward that we're going to. 00:59:13
Acquire the land and that's our our intent. 00:59:18
Good. On the last direction we've had from you as a board, it, it should be pretty obvious to somebody that where all the 00:59:21
fairgrounds is there, this is adjacent, they're gonna develop, it's the positive, positive, positive. So I don't know, it just 00:59:27
seems like an easy decision to make. 00:59:32
Ohh Government, Mr. Chair, if I may. Just just to clarify. 00:59:37
Yeah, it's, it's not the sale or sale, it's, it is if we open that can of worms, we pay all of the costs. 00:59:41
When you get that property up for sale. 00:59:47
And and then it's up for bid to the highest bidder. 00:59:50
So the question is, is is could we as a government get? 00:59:54
A special preference from the state that if we put all that money in, that we get. 00:59:59
Some kind of benefit? 01:00:05
For that. 01:00:07
Rather than we go through all the meta studies, for instance or whatever for this property, yeah. 01:00:09
And I don't know what the extent of those costs will be. 01:00:15
But then they say OK, it's up for sale and all the all the expenses have been paid. 01:00:18
Now it's up to bid to the highest bidder, whether it's a private individual or a government entity. 01:00:23
And so. 01:00:29
Yeah, I I think that that's kind of what. 01:00:30
Where Mr. Miller is going is, should we try to reach to the State? 01:00:33
That if we're going to put forth all the money. 01:00:38
And and jump through all the hoops. 01:00:42
That it's not just open. 01:00:44
To potluck after we hit those expenses, right? 01:00:47
Mr. Chair, thank you. Mr. Chairman, thank you. 01:00:50
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 01:00:53
Um, third one I I'm gonna we're going to continue to take a look at this. 01:00:55
I will communicate with you and put together documentation by August 7th for both the first time the the. 01:01:00
Different money. 01:01:07
This one. 01:01:08
And. 01:01:09
Potentially have that so it's submitted to. 01:01:11
The state legislature will have continuing conversations. 01:01:14
Of. 01:01:17
Whether we actually go forward or not, because this is just so we can potentially have something on. 01:01:18
August 7. 01:01:24
And the last one that I wanted to bring up was. 01:01:26
Unless there are others that you for the board want to discuss is. 01:01:29
Property taxes and having cash payments. 01:01:32
And no record of who's making cash payments for property tax. 01:01:35
Well, a lot of that is not just to keep track of who's paying property taxes. 01:01:39
But where I am is, is blight is one of my big things and. 01:01:46
And as I have been sitting here and investigating blight. 01:01:50
It seems that a lot of these really, really bad places and I've got lots of pictures and I can obtain a lot more. 01:01:53
Is is that the property owners have have passed away. 01:02:01
And it hasn't gone through any process. 01:02:05
And and so a nephew or niece or grandson, somebody is paying the property taxes. 01:02:09
On that particular property. 01:02:15
To prevent it from going into a tax lien sale. 01:02:18
So therefore when when our code enforcement agents go? 01:02:21
To that particular property. 01:02:26
And find violations. There's no one to assign those violations to. 01:02:29
Because the property owner has deceased. 01:02:34
Show. 01:02:37
Whoever's living there, unless it's through the health department, isn't necessarily responsible. 01:02:38
And depending on whether the County Attorney will back us in that or not, then our hands are pretty much tied so. 01:02:46
Where where I'm at and and I'll continue further is is also to end the blight research. 01:02:53
I have gone to the to the treasurer's office and I have found. 01:03:01
Because I have had complaints on properties. 01:03:06
And some of these properties have gone into a tax lien sale. 01:03:09
So these huge corporations have been paying the taxes on this property. 01:03:15
And it has reached the maturity date that they can foreclose on this property and own the property. 01:03:20
But they're not. 01:03:28
They have. They're continuing to pay taxes on these properties. 01:03:30
But they are not owning them. 01:03:34
Because they're not foreclosing on them what you steal binding this property. 01:03:36
With no one responsible for that property. 01:03:42
So as I found these where where I'm at is to simplify it is to go to the state. 01:03:47
And if you are paying taxes on a property. 01:03:52
Everybody here that owns the property, if you're paying taxes on it, you're liable. 01:03:56
That's just the rule of thumb. 01:04:00
So I don't, I don't care if you're somebody's nephew that has deceased. 01:04:02
When you go, pay the property taxes. 01:04:07
Your name and address and phone number. Your information is taken there and you become liable for that property because you're 01:04:09
paying taxes on it. 01:04:13
And also too, if you're a huge corporation and you're and you're gobbling up these properties through tax lien sales. 01:04:18
And you're not foreclosing on this property to get someone in that property or that property to be sold for someone who cares 01:04:26
about the property to take care of it. Because in these neighborhoods we have. 01:04:32
Properties that are just horrid. 01:04:39
That are owned by these corporate or or tied up by these corporations. 01:04:41
Who have paid taxes on them, gone through that, but not foreclosed on the property after the. 01:04:46
After the date of maturity. 01:04:52
And so where we're at is where I'm at. It just be easy if state legislature said I don't care if you're a huge corporation. 01:04:56
I don't care if you're the deceased person's grandson. 01:05:03
If you're paying. 01:05:06
Taxes. 01:05:08
On a property in the state of Arizona. 01:05:09
You're liable for that property. 01:05:12
Because we have an awful lot of blighted properties. 01:05:14
That are tied up. That my hands are tied. 01:05:17
Because I can't stop these fire hazards in the in the middle of neighborhoods, I can't stop these blighted properties in these 01:05:20
neighborhoods. 01:05:24
Because of. 01:05:28
Greediness or lack of ownership. 01:05:30
And so. 01:05:33
That's all. No. So I don't. I guess I don't understand this. I thought if if you pick up a piece of property taxes, you pay the 01:05:35
taxes until. 01:05:40
Whatever time it is. 01:05:45
That at the end of that time it automatically is yours, I I didn't know you before closed on that property, OK. And if you do not 01:05:47
you continue you just you continue paying the tax that property held up to where somebody else can't have that property. 01:05:54
But from my understanding, if you don't foreclose on that property. 01:06:02
It just doesn't automatically become yours. You have to foreclose upon it in order for it to become yours. 01:06:06
I guess I have a hard time seeing. 01:06:13
By somebody would do that, pay taxes like that, and then just continue to pay taxes I without foreclosing and. 01:06:16
Taking it I I don't understand that I guess. 01:06:22
But. 01:06:25
You know, it's it's beyond me, but like I said when I went to find out who owned the property. 01:06:26
At the treasurer's office. 01:06:32
There's huge corporations that have multiple multiple properties. 01:06:34
That they can foreclose upon and have not. 01:06:39
My question is why would we have people buying all the properties Downtown Globe, downtown Miami? 01:06:45
And. 01:06:51
Use them for storage warehouses. 01:06:52
Hi. 01:06:55
Well, I don't care as long as they're liable for their. 01:06:57
I don't. I don't care who owns it or what they're using it for, as as long as it's not becoming a blighted property, as long as 01:07:01
there's an owner that I can go to and write them a citation for violation. 01:07:07
I don't. I don't care who owns them or what they do with them. It's it's the blighted properties that my hands are tied. 01:07:14
Um, in in my neighborhood that I I can't. 01:07:22
I can't. I gotta call the neighbor and say, you know, I'm I'm, I'm real sorry, but there's a huge corporation that hasn't 01:07:25
foreclosed on the property, so there's nothing I can do. 01:07:30
Other than. 01:07:35
You know, call me and I'll call the fire department when it when it starts on fire and you know, that's my hands are tied and 01:07:36
that's that's horrible for me. 01:07:41
To try to help people and can't. 01:07:46
Because there's no owner to write a violation citation 2. 01:07:48
So, so I guess. 01:07:54
What you're wanting to do is is push it to where. 01:07:56
One if they're, if they're if they are paying the taxes on a piece of property where the. 01:07:59
Only where it shows the owners is deceased. 01:08:05
And we have records of who's paying those taxes. 01:08:07
And and then secondly that when it's all said and done that it is. 01:08:10
Closed on and they are the owners. They are the ones responsible for it. That's what you're. 01:08:15
That's what I'm hearing from you, yes, as well as if you're paying taxes on a tax lien sale, you're liable for that. 01:08:19
What do you foreclose upon it or not? Whether it takes three years to get through it or not, if you're paying taxes on a property 01:08:27
and state Arizona, you're liable for it. 01:08:31
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering how this is gonna work. Yeah, well. 01:08:42
Like I said, it it. 01:08:46
If you're paying taxes on a property in state Arizona, you're liable for it. 01:08:48
I don't you know that to me that's how it how it would work. 01:08:53
I mean you own property. 01:08:58
You're liable. Hmm. Every you know. Everybody owns properties liable. So. 01:09:00
If you're paying property taxes on something, you're liable. Why should they be any different than any other property? 01:09:05
That's just where I'm at with that. 01:09:12
That one could get really interesting. 01:09:21
OK. 01:09:23
Both these last ones could get really interesting that those were the three items I wanted to discuss. Unless there's others that 01:09:26
you as a board individually or. 01:09:30
I don't know if you necessarily have had an opportunity to discuss. 01:09:35
Things collectively but other any other issues that you would like to see taken. 01:09:38
To the. 01:09:42
County Supervisors Association. 01:09:44
Or individually through. 01:09:47
Andy. 01:09:49
And Todd. 01:09:50
I don't have any right now, James. You know, I'm kind of sitting on the sidelines watching and see what the OHV. 01:09:56
Proposals are going to be what comes out of that but. 01:10:02
And and there again on now and in particular, I know there's. 01:10:09
I know there's other counties that have same issues, we do but also like Game and Fish, but so I don't know what's going to come 01:10:13
up with that one. 01:10:16
Again. 01:10:25
I'll explore OHP and see what's going on with that. I know we always have. 01:10:26
There's been a discussion in the last few years about short term rentals. 01:10:32
And taxation of short term rental rentals, which have not gone anywhere. 01:10:36
With the state Legislature I. 01:10:40
Not sure why, but perhaps it's considered it's a new tax. 01:10:44
And. 01:10:48
The Any. 01:10:49
Tax anything that's considered? 01:10:51
However, remotely as a new tax is not going anywhere with this state legislature. 01:10:53
The town. 01:10:58
OK. Thank you. 01:11:01
Thank you. So is that wrap it up for your? 01:11:03
Proposals legislate, proposals unless you have to. We get. 01:11:06
Steve, are you good? 01:11:10
I am, yeah. I I can't think of anything else to ask about. 01:11:12
But because there there's hundreds, there's that there's over 1000 bills that come. 01:11:17
Through, so this is just a synopsis of. 01:11:22
CSA And so it's. 01:11:26
Some of them seem to have a good idea. Someone. 01:11:29
And then some of them are. 01:11:32
We'll have. 01:11:35
Of a more of a benefit in that county than this county. 01:11:36
And so it it's required. Quite a bit of juggling so. 01:11:39
Appreciate. 01:11:43
Andy and Todd for what they do though, really do. 01:11:44
Absolutely, yeah. 01:11:47
Alright, if that's the case, we'll move on to #3B information discussion regarding the finance departments opportunities. 01:11:49
To improve services for healing county departments and elected offices to include information accessibility. 01:11:57
Good morning, Mayor. Good morning, Mr. Chair. Good morning, Supervisors. 01:12:03
I would request that we table this. 01:12:07
It was. 01:12:10
I meant to table it before it got to the agenda and it didn't. So OK, possible if we could push this out to. 01:12:11
Probably the September or October work session would be best. 01:12:18
I was wanting you to, Mr. 01:12:22
Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to table. 01:12:25
3C on our agenda. 01:12:29
3B3B shaft three be on our agenda and I will second that having a motion and second all in favor do so by saying aye, aye aye 01:12:32
motion carries see in September, October on that. Thank you man. 01:12:38
On to 3C information discussion regarding HeLa County ordinance restrictions. 01:12:45
To include zoning, building, grading, drainage deeds, etcetera. 01:12:51
Randy, did you bring dinner for all of us? 01:12:55
Uh-huh. 01:13:00
10 seconds ago I just got a text that. 01:13:02
My house and Dewey is on the go. 01:13:05
Status So. 01:13:08
From the Grapevine fires. 01:13:10
So they're gathering the chickens and the. 01:13:13
Dogs as we speak in. 01:13:16
Trying to get them moved. 01:13:18
So. 01:13:22
As you know, we're looking at. 01:13:24
New. 01:13:27
Ordinance or planning, zoning and. 01:13:29
I'll probably be with in front of you each month going forward in these work sessions on a on some topics. 01:13:32
First one was restrictions and it was just people asking. 01:13:39
Where all this stuff comes from from and all this stuff that goes along with it. 01:13:43
So the the first part there is different types. 01:13:48
Restrictions is basically all the ordinances that. 01:13:52
Board of Supervisors have approved. 01:13:56
Through the years that they had not been changed. 01:13:59
And that include zoning, building, flood, granian drainage. 01:14:02
There's also state, federal and other local A dot things that come into play. 01:14:07
And then there's private, where there's deed restrictions, CC and R's and stuff that go along with. 01:14:14
Of parcels of land. 01:14:20
And it will. Some of the questions is who who can enforce? 01:14:23
Restrictions. 01:14:27
Um. 01:14:29
The Healey County departments that are supervisors authorized code enforcement. 01:14:30
Umm. 01:14:35
Building. 01:14:37
Fluoride grading and drainage. 01:14:39
They can enforce their ordinances. 01:14:41
And um. 01:14:44
State federal can also come out and enforce theirs, and that gets into sometimes there's crossover, sometimes there's not. 01:14:47
You know right aways and. 01:14:55
Everything that come into play, sometimes they. 01:14:56
Parcel has a right of way for a dot so. 01:14:59
We're enforcing parts of our ordinance on the. 01:15:02
Property, but then the right away becomes a dots. We have to work together and come up with a solution there. 01:15:07
Then there's the private HOA's that enforce their own restrictions and deal with all that. 01:15:14
One of the things that people don't realize is neighbors. 01:15:21
Can't enforce these also. 01:15:24
So a neighbor can come and enforce a. 01:15:27
The restriction. 01:15:30
On a property forever, and that's. 01:15:33
And some. 01:15:36
Problems in the past and. 01:15:37
You know, one neighbor didn't care, but the next new owner does. And. 01:15:40
That's one of the things we've talked about several times with the attorneys. 01:15:44
Is how we deal with all that and and moving forward. 01:15:49
Um. 01:15:53
Just flip my page. 01:16:00
Joe, can I interrupt with one question real quick? Go ahead. So Randy, on the deed restrictions. 01:16:05
Where does the county play into that? He said. Well, we're kind of looking into that, whatever. So and I know we're dealing with 01:16:12
some of that right now up in the strawberry area that so there's a deed restriction on the property. At what level do we enforce 01:16:17
or adhere to? 01:16:23
Or. 01:16:29
Accommodate that very good question I've been brought up several times. 01:16:30
We don't enforce it. We can use it for our decision making process. 01:16:35
So in other words, when we go to planning zoning. 01:16:40
We go to Board of Adjustments or we come to you. 01:16:44
We're giving you all of that information. 01:16:47
It's the only time that we truly investigate. 01:16:50
Whether they're speed restrictions or not, because when they're asking to go outside of the ordinance. 01:16:55
So they're asking for you to approve. 01:17:00
A special ordinance just for that piece of property. 01:17:03
And that's when we look at everything, right, We look at these restrictions. 01:17:07
We look at. 01:17:12
Everything around them, which what land use, what the comprehensive plan use and you'll see we're going through all that, what all 01:17:14
of that entails. And it's this. 01:17:18
Fit those criterias. 01:17:24
Is so when we bring it to you, we present that to you in the CUP or other things that we're giving you all the information you 01:17:26
need to make your decision. 01:17:31
Now. 01:17:35
You're not going to enforce their deed restrictions. 01:17:37
But you can make your decision based on their deed restrictions. 01:17:40
Now in speaking with the attorney. 01:17:45
Um. 01:17:48
We can occur. 01:17:50
Jeff, obviously correct me if I'm wrong, we can encourage some liability. 01:17:52
By approving. 01:17:57
Someone that has deed restrictions. 01:17:59
That are against what we're approving, so in other words. 01:18:02
Your property says you are for residential only. 01:18:06
And you want to put a business there? 01:18:10
And they come to us and and. 01:18:13
Your name zoned to have a business there, but you're asking for that, so you're asking for a special. 01:18:16
Approval for your piece of property different than anyone else's. 01:18:22
And. 01:18:27
That's when we look at those speed restrictions. Now if the. 01:18:29
Person is making a decision based on our approval. 01:18:33
There can be some liability. 01:18:37
And we're kind of passing the buck. 01:18:40
That now we're forcing the neighbors to incur the cost. 01:18:42
To enforce the deed restrictions which the people who own the land have already agreed to when you sign. 01:18:46
Earth. 01:18:52
That you're buying this, you've already signed that you're going to follow those rules and. 01:18:53
As Jeff has told us, is that basically a private contract? 01:18:57
And now we're forcing your neighbors. 01:19:01
To incur that cost. 01:19:04
To enforce because they bought their land based on that there was not going to be a business next door to them. 01:19:06
And you're forcing them to. 01:19:12
Not forcing but. 01:19:16
The opportunity is that they're going to have to sue on their own. 01:19:17
To stop that guy's business, to make sure he follows what he said he would do. 01:19:22
We have had with the Board of Adjustments where we've gotten a judge's order. 01:19:27
That we've had to go back. 01:19:32
And reverse a variance. 01:19:34
Because we approved something that was against a deed restriction. 01:19:37
Now. 01:19:40
We may not be. 01:19:42
Liable financially. 01:19:44
I mean, I guess there there's always that chance, but. 01:19:46
Um. 01:19:49
The judge can order us to do a lot of things, and then the person could sue us. 01:19:52
And in in defending that if we want it. 01:19:56
You still have the legal team and and everyone else and staff time. 01:19:58
Cost and defending us? 01:20:03
To say well. 01:20:06
It's not really our responsibility but. 01:20:07
We ignored it and. 01:20:11
You went on SO. 01:20:12
On your specific case, there is deep restrictions that. 01:20:14
Umm. 01:20:18
Some neighbors. 01:20:20
Have already brought up that they're. 01:20:21
Looking for us to do the what? 01:20:26
They think we should do. 01:20:31
And they don't want to sue, but they're willing to. 01:20:33
And that's not good for the neighborhood. 01:20:36
And which means it's not good for Health County. 01:20:39
You don't want neighbors fighting nonstop. 01:20:42
Over stuff that. 01:20:45
Could have been stopped or slowed or or made certain stipulations to. 01:20:48
Protect everyone. 01:20:54
Not only the person who's wanting to do what they want to do. 01:20:55
But also the neighbors when they bought that land. 01:20:59
What they expected to be next to their neighbors and that's one of the things here that we talked about. 01:21:03
Is. 01:21:08
People buy land in areas. 01:21:09
Further zoning. 01:21:12
You know, not always. 01:21:14
Lot of people hate zoning and I understand that there's days I do. 01:21:16
Uh. 01:21:20
But when you buy a piece of property and you see the neighborhood, you're and you're buying into that neighborhood. 01:21:21
And now when we turn around and say. 01:21:27
We know you want to put a business there now. 01:21:32
And you caught in the middle of the neighborhood that's really not harmonious with that area and that's not really. 01:21:35
What the neighbors bought in for. 01:21:41
You know, if you want a business, put it on the road. 01:21:44
Put that on the highway. Go to a commercially zoned area. 01:21:47
The comprehensive plan shows all of those areas. 01:21:52
And it depends on which neighborhood you're in. It'll tell you exactly what you got. 01:21:55
All of our zoning time the. 01:22:00
Website. 01:22:03
So if anyone has questions, you know we deal with phone calls daily. 01:22:05
People ask, OK, here's what I want to do. So. 01:22:09
To get back to your question. 01:22:12
We're not responsible to enforce it. 01:22:14
But. 01:22:17
Staff feelings is that? 01:22:19
Which want to give you that information for you to make your decision and you make your decision. 01:22:21
All the stuff coming up until we come to you. 01:22:26
Is all recommendations. 01:22:28
The. 01:22:30
PNC Commission is only doing research and trying to find everything they can so that when we come to you. 01:22:31
We have given you all the information you can. 01:22:37
Find her that we can find. 01:22:40
For you to make your decision. 01:22:42
So it all comes down to the Board of Supervisors and you guys make your decisions one way or the other. 01:22:44
So did I answer your questions? Yes. 01:22:50
Very thoroughly. So, yeah. My point is though that we do have in process a way of changing the zoning or that the use of a 01:22:53
property through that, right? 01:22:58
Through that process. Otherwise you would just say ohh, you're zoned for this. 01:23:04
End of discussion. 01:23:08
Right. So we already have that process in place. I just wanted to know how much power the deed restriction had in that because if 01:23:09
we're notifying within 300 feet, then that would be the time to come forward and say, well. 01:23:15
You know that's a deed restriction, and it doesn't necessarily negate the process. 01:23:21
It just is a consideration, correct. OK, thanks. And the problem that we've. 01:23:28
Ran into. 01:23:34
As a neighborhood, everyone's extremely friendly. 01:23:36
Doesn't ever want to, you know, disturb their neighbors? 01:23:39
And so they don't have a problem. 01:23:42
You know, even though the deed restriction says no business. 01:23:43
They were OK with having a business there. 01:23:47
But because there's a deed restriction that's recorded on that land. 01:23:49
The next two owners might not have an issue, but that third owner does. 01:23:53
And my understanding liability wise. 01:23:58
That neighbor can come at that point. 01:24:01
You know, 10 years down the line. 01:24:04
And still enforce that. 01:24:07
That deed restriction. 01:24:09
Um, and. 01:24:11
From what I've seen so far, most of the judges. 01:24:13
That's a contract. Good, bad or indifferent, that was. 01:24:17
What that was designed for. 01:24:20
Now I will say I've seen some pain restrictions that are. 01:24:22
A little off. 01:24:27
One I just saw recently says if you're sick, you can't buy the land. 01:24:28
Alright. 01:24:33
OK. But you know, it's a little. 01:24:34
Off. I don't know if they're talking about a flu or. 01:24:36
Anything else? I mean there are some great restrictions that I think are. 01:24:39
Not useful. 01:24:46
But that wasn't my decision. That's just what? 01:24:48
Was on that property and that the people signed for it when they bought the property. 01:24:51
I will agree with you 1000% that. 01:24:55
Most. 01:24:59
I was guilty. 01:25:01
Most people don't look at these restrictions when they buy the land. 01:25:02
It was a good price, close to where they want it to be. 01:25:05
They have a plan in your head when you first buy it, and that's just what you. 01:25:09
Want to do? 01:25:13
Surprisingly enough for the amount of money people spend on. 01:25:15
These things, they don't do much investigation. 01:25:19
It's I can afford this and this area that I want to be. 01:25:22
And I want to do. 01:25:25
Blake. 01:25:27
And. 01:25:28
A little bit of of research can go a long way in saving a lot of headaches. 01:25:30
Umm. 01:25:36
So. 01:25:37
Umm. 01:25:38
We're going forward with with how the restrictions can help you a county. 01:25:39
Obviously there's. 01:25:43
Protect public health, safety, general welfare. Again, just neighbors having a. 01:25:46
Standard expectation of what's going to be their neighbor. You know they're not planning on a pig farm. 01:25:51
Next year. 01:25:56
Umm. 01:25:57
It also deals with first responders. 01:25:59
And make sure there's a proper exchange. Couple ways in and out so when there is a fire. 01:26:03
It's not dealt with and something's blocked. 01:26:09
Because the guy wanted to put something across the right away, which we would never plan on building, but now they've blocked an 01:26:13
action. 01:26:16
There are also certain developments that are used for infill right if we have things we. 01:26:22
When they come to you guys with I'm, I'm meeting tomorrow. 01:26:28
With the gentleman that wants to put 300 houses into a subdivision. 01:26:31
Out in. 01:26:36
Thompson draw. 01:26:38
Umm. 01:26:39
So um. 01:26:41
You know, there's you guys have a plan for that and that's in the master plan. 01:26:42
That's been voted on. 01:26:46
That you know. 01:26:48
That's that's a housing area that that this is. 01:26:49
Designed for. 01:26:53
It's not designed for a shopping center. 01:26:55
And the citizens of HeLa County have voted on our master plan, and that's what was decided. Obviously it goes through a long list 01:26:57
of things to get to that point. 01:27:02
But. 01:27:07
That's important. 01:27:08
Again, people invest. 01:27:11
In areas that they like. 01:27:13
And want and have a reasonable expectation that it's going to stay like that. 01:27:15
Hill County can encourage. 01:27:22
You know some of the options we can encourage workforce housing. 01:27:25
You know you don't want to put that in next to the $1,000,000 houses, but you want to put it in where there's maybe the smaller 01:27:28
houses. 01:27:32
I'm sure those kind of things where we can help. 01:27:36
Um. 01:27:39
Get everyone working harmoniously with with the direction and meeting the master plan. 01:27:41
Umm. 01:27:46
Again, we make them signing coming for a building permit. 01:27:48
They come in and sign that they don't have deed restrictions that stop them from doing what they want to do. 01:27:52
Again, they may not know. 01:28:00
I will tell you, since planning I've been dealing with planning zoning now that. 01:28:03
About 40%. 01:28:08
Of stuff that people come in for. 01:28:11
Are actually outright against their deed restrictions. 01:28:14
And I've had people have come in and wrote in the deed restrictions. 01:28:19
I want gentleman up in Strawberry who wrote the deed restrictions for his neighborhood. He came in and asked to do something. We 01:28:22
said OK and. 01:28:26
Took the paperwork and did the restrictions. Called them up, says. 01:28:29
What do you wanna do? 01:28:33
You said you couldn't do. 01:28:35
You know, I forgot about that and withdrew his paperwork. 01:28:37
Because he wrote those and all the other neighbors had to comply with it. 01:28:41
So. 01:28:45
Not everyone knows. 01:28:46
And that's especially when they're asking for something outside of the norm. 01:28:48
Or our ordinances and laws that you guys have voted on. That's when we really do check just again to give. 01:28:54
Everyone. 01:29:00
The citizens, the the applicant. 01:29:02
PNG Commission. 01:29:05
And you all the information that we possibly can. 01:29:06
To ensure that you're making the decision, you know I don't want you to come back, say, I wish you would have told me this. 01:29:10
That is something I have heard. 01:29:16
No. 01:29:18
And other things happen and I don't want that to happen. 01:29:19
To me, I don't want you to say that to me, so I'm trying to give you all the information. I can't. 01:29:22
So. 01:29:28
Some of those bad things about deed restrictions are not deed restrictions, but just restrictions. 01:29:29
Is. 01:29:35
It may limit what someone wants to do. 01:29:35
Right, it may. 01:29:38
They built planned on building this Taj Mahal. 01:29:39
House. 01:29:44
Five stories tall. 01:29:45
It was just and and but the deed restrictions and we ran it. This is step two stories. 01:29:46
Yeah, and the neighbors, you know, all built the two stories. It's all on hills. It's also. 01:29:52
They don't want this guys looking down on him. They didn't build next to him planning on having some guy. 01:29:57
Looking down on them so. 01:30:03
Um, it can prohibit that? 01:30:05
Um, they complain. They can put those neighbors again. 01:30:08
Are you anymore? No. They argue enough Now. I will promise you that we really don't want to give them more reasons to to argue and 01:30:12
and. 01:30:16
Do it. 01:30:21
Umm. 01:30:22
Again, it can decrease so much property value. 01:30:22
You know, that's a hard thing to. 01:30:27
Say. 01:30:30
But you know if if you have these houses and you've invested in these properties and some guy comes next to you and starts 01:30:31
putting. 01:30:35
Jessica Reynolds. 01:30:41
In downtown strawberry. 01:30:43
That's not gonna help your value. 01:30:45
And can affect your pocketbook. 01:30:47
So we do look at those kind of things when we are taking anything. 01:30:50
Forward is. 01:30:55
Cannot be considered harmonious with the area, and I know that's just a. 01:30:57
A phrase word that a lot of people throw out there and yes and no. And how do you determine that? 01:31:00
And those are all very valid questions. 01:31:06
But we do look, Scott does look very hard. 01:31:10
At. 01:31:13
What we're bringing forward. 01:31:14
Their life can turn around and say. 01:31:17
When I come to you. 01:31:19
This is or. It isn't and. 01:31:20
Then again, that's only my reputation. Again, it's up to. 01:31:22
For supervisors to make those decisions. 01:31:26
Umm. 01:31:30
So as staff directions was in and that we were planning on continuing unless during this conversation you directed somewhere 01:31:32
different. 01:31:36
Staff wants to provide all the information to all the boards. 01:31:41
That are needed. 01:31:45
Again, Hill County is not responsible. We don't in. 01:31:47
CCR that's been brought up before too for HOH. 01:31:53
That is not a deep restriction. 01:31:57
That is. 01:31:58
A group of people got together and voted something. 01:32:01
We don't even get involved with those at all. 01:32:03
We will. 01:32:06
Right. 01:32:08
The board. 01:32:09
If it if you're asking for a variance or something outside the norm in an area, and it's in any joint, we'll write the board. Even 01:32:12
if they're not, even if they're outside of that 300 sheet, we'll still write them. 01:32:17
Um, and bring that their response back to to you? 01:32:23
But. 01:32:27
We don't know if the if the rules were brought together legally. 01:32:28
The deed restrictions are they're recorded, so we don't get involved with the CC and R's. 01:32:32
And people want us to. Sometimes they're they want us to. Depends on which side you're on. 01:32:38
They don't want us to have anything to do with us and and. 01:32:43
Staff has nothing to do with that and we don't plan on it. 01:32:46
Umm. 01:32:49
Again, staff is just planning to deal with this process. 01:32:51
As we have been unless. 01:32:54
We find you. You want to go in a different direction. 01:32:57
And my next slide is, do you have any questions for me? 01:33:01
On CC and ours, Randy, Some of those were put back in place long time ago and those boards are gone. 01:33:06
And then what do you do? 01:33:12
Again, we're unfortunately not even looking those up. 01:33:15
But you're right, there are some socializations that have been defunct. 01:33:18
Just makes it very hard because. 01:33:23
The deeds will tell you how you can change any of that stuff, or the CCR's will tell you how you can change any of that stuff. 01:33:27
And the hard part is. 01:33:33
Short term rentals. 01:33:36
Yep, there are a lot of out-of-state owners here. 01:33:38
And the only way you can usually change something is you got to get to that. 01:33:41
Magic number, whatever it is, 51% or 60% or whatever it is. 01:33:45
So you start sending out these letters to everyone trying to get them to sign. 01:33:50
They have to go get a notarized and if you're sending this to a guy and. 01:33:54
New York. 01:33:58
Whose? 01:34:00
Just getting rental money. 01:34:00
The odds of him really caring or? 01:34:03
Pretty small. 01:34:05
Umm. 01:34:07
So it it's an upper uphill battle. 01:34:08
But again, if you were researching that before you purchased your property, you would know that associated defunct. 01:34:12
And you would have to make that decision at that point whether you want to deal with that or not. 01:34:19
A lot of feed restrictions are old. 01:34:24
I mean, they were done when it was planted. 01:34:27
The current one that we've talked about, which started in 1960. 01:34:29
And then it expired in 1990 and it says if we don't change this, that automatically renews for 10 years at a time. 01:34:34
And I will see you tell you, I've seen a lot of those restrictions. That's what it says. 01:34:40
Because they want those. I mean they they unless you went through the process of changing them. 01:34:45
They don't want those to go off. 01:34:50
Um, so they keep renewing automatically and? 01:34:53
They're there. 01:34:57
And. 01:34:58
Ohh. 01:34:59
I will tell you in the last month I've had. 01:35:00
Two new things that I have ran into one. 01:35:04
Learning how to get rid of deed restrictions, and I have another area where they're trying to put these restrictions on after the 01:35:06
fact. 01:35:10
So I have been learning and educating and spending a lot of time with. 01:35:14
Mr. Dalton. 01:35:18
On the phone on. 01:35:20
What legally has to happen and and deal with all that stuff? 01:35:22
So it's been interesting. 01:35:26
So, so, so. 01:35:28
That's interesting to me because so if I if I buy a piece of property that doesn't have any deed restrictions on it. 01:35:30
There's actually been cases where. 01:35:36
After that, they've tried to come back and impose it deed restrictions over the top of you. The one I'm talking about had deed 01:35:39
restrictions in 1960. They expired in 1990, but they did not have the automatic renewal. 01:35:45
Clause on there. 01:35:51
And one of the things was you were not allowed to rent. 01:35:53
And there were neighbors trying to buy houses. 01:35:56
For short term rentals, and that's not what this neighborhood wanted. 01:36:01
So they were trying to figure out how to reinstate those. 01:36:04
After they've expired and and we're gone. 01:36:09
And. 01:36:12
I told him to go talk to a real estate lawyer. 01:36:13
And uh. 01:36:16
Pursue that through a legal system, because I don't. 01:36:17
We wouldn't be involved when the plat was approved, you guys. 01:36:21
Saw the deed restrictions, you saw they were going to expire and that was the decision that was made at that time. 01:36:25
Right. 01:36:30
Yeah, cause that you know. 01:36:31
You're absolutely right on a lot of these chunks of property back in the day, they they put the deed restrictions on them. 01:36:33
And in some cases those those. 01:36:40
Tigers structions. They're just. 01:36:43
Outdated. They're, you know for the times today, some of them and so. 01:36:46
It can get really sticky and not in. You're absolutely right. We're not everybody looks into it that far. 01:36:51
And not all real estate agents will tell you that either. That's the other side of that coin and so. 01:36:59
So, yeah, as as buyers, you do have to be. 01:37:04
Pretty, leery and. 01:37:08
Do your homework and where we ran into it, you know, everything's electronic now, so the one individual should have bought some 01:37:09
property that found out they couldn't do what they wanted to do. They went back to their. 01:37:15
Real estate. 01:37:22
It's Ohh yeah, we sent it to you in an e-mail. 01:37:23
And here's the link and here's what you said that you. 01:37:25
Read it. 01:37:28
And then they try to open the link two years later with that link. 01:37:29
Maker may not work anymore. 01:37:32
Um. And so they said they never saw it, and I would not disbelieve that. 01:37:34
But I will say the real estate guy had his signature and said they read all that. 01:37:40
Um, so you know, he kind of had to. 01:37:45
Live with them. But he didn't know what they were still because he couldn't open whatever link now through electronic means. 01:37:48
So we sent them the assessor. The assessor has all of that. 01:37:55
And that's who we go to. 01:37:58
Is to the assessor. 01:38:00
To get a list of any deed restrictions that there are. 01:38:02
Someone. There is none. That's great. 01:38:05
And we just say that and when I come to you or any other from my boards. 01:38:07
We found no deed restrictions. 01:38:12
And give them all the information that we can out there in that. 01:38:14
Cool. 01:38:20
Say it any any questions that I can answer at this phone supervisor Humphrey? 01:38:22
Well, I've had a lot of questions as if we've gone, but then it keeps going in so. 01:38:27
I. 01:38:32
I guess my first question is deed restrictions. You said you don't look at the deed restrictions. 01:38:34
Unless someone is wanting an overlay or something that comes to the board for a decision, is that correct? Correct. 01:38:39
OK. 01:38:47
We make them sign that that that that's OK, but that's the only time. 01:38:48
You, as planning and zoning, look at a deed restriction, correct? OK, my two cents worth is. 01:38:53
I. 01:39:01
Because as you throw a rock in a pond, it ripples. If anyone buys a piece of property, they're responsible for that piece of 01:39:03
property. 01:39:07
And all the permits, everything that was done before or not? 01:39:11
Once they purchase that property, they're responsible for it. So if at one point in time Heela County gave someone a permit, that 01:39:16
was against the deed restriction and they purchased that property as is. 01:39:22
Then. 01:39:30
Then they become liable for that. 01:39:31
Deed violation that they weren't aware of. 01:39:34
And and so where I'm where I'm at is if this is a discussion on where we go, I would like to see Heela County look at deed 01:39:38
restrictions before issuing any permit. 01:39:43
Whether we have a violation or not. 01:39:49
And then that's only fair because, like you say, people don't look at it. 01:39:52
Well, if we're giving them a permit to do something. 01:39:57
I I think. 01:40:01
In my opinion, it would be the responsible thing. 01:40:03
For us to look at the deed restrictions before we issue someone a permit. 01:40:06
To do something. 01:40:11
That that's my $0.02 worth. 01:40:12
Because then that person. 01:40:15
Can hire an attorney or do whatever they need to do. 01:40:18
To change that restriction upon them. Is that correct? Correct. OK. 01:40:21
So, so beings that they have an out. 01:40:26
And in responsibility as a property owner. 01:40:30
To not be in violation of their deed and they can change. 01:40:34
Whatever their deed restrictions are. 01:40:39
Prior to coming to us. 01:40:42
For a permit. 01:40:44
And so. 01:40:45
Yeah, just just to cut through, my two cents are is. 01:40:48
Is I would think as to be responsible. He LA County should look at. 01:40:52
The deed restrictions prior to issuing. 01:40:57
Any any permit? 01:41:00
Whether it be residential, commercial or whatever. And then and then if if not, it's like. 01:41:03
It it's a violation of the deed restriction. 01:41:09
And here's the information that you need. 01:41:12
To change your deed restriction. 01:41:14
Before bringing. 01:41:16
A permit to us. 01:41:19
Or or set of plans to us for building permit. 01:41:20
Yeah, that that's just my $0.02 worth. 01:41:24
Supervisor Christensen Ohh, thank you. Chairman. Thank you, Randy. So I would just have to say that community development is one 01:41:28
of our most complicated and active parts of the county. 01:41:33
And I appreciate all the efforts that you do and have your department. 01:41:39
And you, you probably don't have enough people to handle everything that's going on. Growth in the county in certain areas is much 01:41:45
more than others. 01:41:49
And so we're dealing with past. 01:41:54
Present future. And so I look at the department as. 01:41:57
Needing to be somewhat fluid, so. 01:42:02
Right now I'm not recommending that there's anything that you change that you're doing. 01:42:05
Personally. 01:42:11
I'm saying you're asking that question, right? Should we just continue going the way we're going or unless you have something 01:42:12
else? 01:42:15
So the there's something else comes up in the future. So we're talking about Porta John's right now and Pine Strawberry that's 01:42:19
coming up, we'll talk about that. 01:42:23
Your next topic is going to be talking about. 01:42:30
You know, what do we do about this situation? 01:42:32
And you know we've got. 01:42:35
Ohh. 01:42:36
Food vendors. 01:42:37
Portable food vendors. Are they portable? Are they permanent? Are they this and that as culture changes and as time changes? 01:42:40
And as it was pointed out, deed restrictions that 70 years old. 01:42:48
Part of our process is to say can. 01:42:54
A property owner apply for some. 01:42:57
Different usage, as we call it, a violation of the. 01:43:00
Of the ordinance. So they're asking for that. And so the violation of the ordinance to me, I don't know why we would put a deed 01:43:03
restriction above. 01:43:08
Or as more important. 01:43:13
As a liability issue than just the decision to change the. 01:43:15
Usage in general anyway. 01:43:19
So that's the way I I look at it. So if we put. 01:43:22
The deed restriction as so important that we shouldn't even look at any changes. 01:43:26
Then what's the point of having the mechanism of change first place? 01:43:32
If you understand what I'm trying to say so and I will if the. 01:43:37
300 foot people, they they don't have any problem with the deed restriction. They don't complain, they don't even bring it up then 01:43:42
to me that's. 01:43:46
The public speaking. 01:43:51
And that sometime down the future, 10 years from now, they wouldn't be able to. 01:43:53
Bring that up again. 01:43:57
In my opinion. 01:43:59
But I'm a lawyer, so I don't know. You know, people can sue. People can sue for whatever they want. And that's true. 01:44:01
And. 01:44:08
The. 01:44:10
We don't put it higher, we're just informing you and your decision making process. Sure, if you decide. 01:44:11
That's an old. 01:44:19
Peter, stretching. That makes no sense. 01:44:21
And you approve? 01:44:23
The end of the day at the end of the meeting. 01:44:25
I guess paperwork that says it's approved and and we will. 01:44:27
Deal with that as we go forward. 01:44:32
Um, if you decide that that's something that is relevant and. 01:44:34
Should be. 01:44:38
Denied then you. 01:44:39
Make your votes that way and we deal with it that way. 01:44:40
Thank you, Mr. 01:44:44
Right there, I was gonna say. Was there something in here that we were gonna discuss about grading and drainage? 01:44:47
No, it's just that that's one of the restrictions that are out there is also. 01:44:52
OK, Mr. Turner. Yeah. 01:44:57
You're getting ready to leave this subject. I wanted to clarify 2 things. You bet, Jeff. OK. 01:44:59
So. 01:45:05
Randy. Mentioning. 01:45:06
So we've been talking a lot, as he mentioned with the lies in a couple of things, but I want to. 01:45:07
Clarify it since. 01:45:12
You may be thinking that. 01:45:14
What he said was what I said since we've talked a lot. 01:45:16
On the issue of. 01:45:19
CC and R's. 01:45:21
CNRS means Conditions and covenants. 01:45:23
We're commencing conditions. I don't know which comes first, covenants, conditions running with the land, that's what that means. 01:45:26
And if you have an HOA, that means you have an organization that enforces. 01:45:32
Those for everybody. 01:45:36
If you don't have an HOA, that means everybody's on their own to enforce their own. 01:45:39
So if a homeowners association is in existence and then it goes out of existence. 01:45:44
It's really independent of. 01:45:49
The fact that they deed restrictions, which is a shorthand way of saying CCR's. 01:45:51
They're still there. You just don't have an organization that's enforcing them for you. 01:45:57
I want to clarify that issue. 01:46:02
And then early in the presentation you talked about potential county liability. 01:46:04
If the county approves. 01:46:09
A conditional use permit. 01:46:12
This is contrary to a deed restriction. 01:46:14
What's the liability? 01:46:17
So. 01:46:19
And then a lot of thinking about this there is a. 01:46:20
A lawsuit that could be brought. I'm not familiar with a case where this has ever been done. 01:46:24
And I think they're able to lose. 01:46:29
But it's a it's called tortious interference with contractual relation. 01:46:31
Which basically means. 01:46:36
Injurious interference with someone else's contract. 01:46:38
When you are aware. 01:46:42
And someone else has a contract. 01:46:43
And you take action. 01:46:46
That induces that person to. 01:46:48
Reach that contract. 01:46:50
Then there's damages. Then that person inducing the other person can in some circumstances be liable for damages or that. 01:46:53
So the question. 01:47:02
I was wrestling with well, what if the county Board of Supervisors chooses? 01:47:04
To encourage people that have deed restrictions. 01:47:08
To ignore those deed restrictions and those covenants that they've made. 01:47:12
By granting them a conditional use permit which permits them to do exactly what they already promised they would not do. 01:47:16
Is the Board of Supervisors going to incur liability? 01:47:23
When that happens. 01:47:27
And I think as we've talked about many times before. 01:47:29
Someone could bring a lawsuit or something. That doesn't mean that they're going to win it. 01:47:33
But there's probably enough. 01:47:38
Of a substance there that they could bring that lawsuit and file it serve the county. 01:47:40
I think it might not be covered by the by acip. 01:47:45
Because of the nature of the. 01:47:50
Arising out of land use regulation. 01:47:52
So Kenny would have to kind of his office would defend it, or kind of have to hire a private counsel to defend it. 01:47:55
Ultimately, I think the county would prevail. 01:48:02
Because these are independent. 01:48:05
Things. 01:48:07
The private contractor person has under registration. 01:48:08
Is independent of. 01:48:12
The Board of Supervisors Power and capacity to legislate. 01:48:14
Conditional use permits. 01:48:18
And you have a right to do that, even if it violates. 01:48:20
Somebody else's contract, you can do it. 01:48:25
So I think you ultimately win, but you might get sued. 01:48:29
It's possible. 01:48:32
I want to clarify that issue and I want to clarify I would never want to speak for Jeff. 01:48:34
Mr. Chairman, can I direct the question to Jeff so? 01:48:40
Thanks for that. That's very clear. Let's say though, there is an example of a property that has no CC and R's and no deed 01:48:44
restrictions, but is zoned. 01:48:49
Residential R1 whatever and that are requesting to change that zoning to something else would the county. 01:48:54
Still be in as. 01:49:03
As liable for the change of what the community? 01:49:06
Has the expectation that will never change. 01:49:10
So you're finally standing correctly. You're saying it's a situation where the board would. 01:49:14
Change zoning. 01:49:19
That everyone clearly purchased property thinking it would never change, Yeah. 01:49:21
I've read. 01:49:27
Language in a case that says that person when they buy property. 01:49:29
Is never. 01:49:34
Able to. 01:49:36
Rely on the zoning of that property. 01:49:38
Remaining permanent. 01:49:42
That you always when you buy property, you always have to anticipate the zoning could change. 01:49:44
And so this board changes zoning on property. 01:49:49
There, there's no liability. 01:49:53
For that, that's that's not something you're entitled to. 01:49:56
Umm. 01:50:00
To have as a permanent situation when you buy properties, zoning is a legislative matter. It's like saying well. 01:50:02
The citizen of Arizona, and you can't change the laws. 01:50:09
That's one is as it was last week. So the laws have to stay the way they are from now on. 01:50:12
Well, no. Laws get to be changed all the time through a legislative process, and that's what. 01:50:16
When you rezone piece of property, it's a legislative process. 01:50:21
And you can do that and no one. 01:50:25
No one can claim that's a violation of the reasonable expectations when they bought property. 01:50:28
OK. 01:50:32
Randy, I think we've covered that one. Good. You ready to go on the next one or you need to go do it? 01:50:35
No, I'm, I'm OK. Alright. 01:50:41
I think if the chickens go, the chickens go. 01:50:45
Alright, we'll move on to 3D information discussion. 01:50:47
Regarding recreational vehicles and Helix County as outlined in the HeLa County Zoning Ordinance for Unincorporated Areas of HeLa 01:50:51
County. 01:50:55
Randy, so as you know that again we're working on our planning zoning ordinance. 01:51:00
And this is a topic that. 01:51:07
Um, about my first week. 01:51:10
As director Homer. 01:51:13
Took me to one of Mr. Humphries meetings. 01:51:16
About RV's. 01:51:19
And it hasn't stopped being a hot topic since then. 01:51:21
So. 01:51:24
I think it was a hot topic before. 01:51:25
I was director and it will continue, I'm I'm assuming. 01:51:28
So couple of things that I want to make sure everyone is clear on is, is what a recreational vehicle is. 01:51:33
Um. 01:51:40
They are built in accordance with NF. 01:51:41
PA1192-15 RN Nancy Standard. 01:51:45
811. 01:51:50
Or eleven 9-5-15. 01:51:51
They are not. 01:51:55
Building codes they don't meet. Building codes they never have. 01:51:56
The manufacturer says they're not dwellings. The manufacturer says these are for only temporary. 01:52:00
Recreational camping uses. 01:52:05
Umm. 01:52:07
There, it's very clear how they're made. Is anyone who's ever been in a. 01:52:10
RV knows the escape window. 01:52:16
About that big. 01:52:20
Which, as you can see, does not. Get Me Out. 01:52:22
I will promise you I will get out. 01:52:25
But maybe not just through that window. 01:52:28
But they don't meet. 01:52:30
You know sleeping areas they have. 01:52:32
One fire alarm usually in there and it's usually by the kitchen. 01:52:35
Is that usually in the middle? 01:52:40
And. 01:52:41
When they stopped, it's not required that those pop outs come out, so now you're down to usually about an 18 inch walkway. 01:52:44
Getting through there when it's parked or you know, if you're pulling over for the night, you're just stopping. 01:52:52
Umm. 01:52:57
You know. 01:52:58
There's a lot of things that come up that they do not meet building codes. 01:52:59
So in turns the manufacturer. 01:53:02
The federal. 01:53:06
The state. 01:53:07
And local say they are not dwellings. 01:53:08
So. 01:53:11
I want to make sure that everyone understands that there is a big difference between. 01:53:12
You know, there there's $1,000,000. 01:53:18
RV parks, you go to NASCAR. 01:53:21
And there's a whole long row of those things and. 01:53:23
They don't meet as a dwelling. 01:53:27
I mean, they've got marble floors and chandeliers and everything else and. 01:53:29
They still don't meet the requirements of a dwelling. 01:53:34
And then? 01:53:38
According to the manufacturer. 01:53:40
They're not safe to live in as a dwelling. 01:53:42
They're safe to come in and spend a few nights in. 01:53:45
Um, so. 01:53:49
Umm. 01:53:50
I just want to make sure that when we talked about this topic that where we're coming from. 01:53:51
And. And there's all kinds of different RV's. I mean, everyone's invented. 01:53:57
You've got trailers with, you know, multiple porches on them now and. 01:54:01
Roof entertainment sections you've got. 01:54:06
Heart models that. 01:54:10
Look really great and we make subdivisions out of them. 01:54:12
Um. 01:54:16
We've got the $1,000,000 ones that drive down the road and are shiny and they're pulling a big trailer or a chief or whatever it 01:54:18
is. 01:54:21
Umm. 01:54:26
You got the little thing on the back of a pickup truck? 01:54:27
Those are all recreational vehicles, and they none of them meet the standards to be lived in permanently. 01:54:31
Um. 01:54:39
So I want to make sure that we're talking about the same thing and that's the kind of stuff we're talking about. So you're talking 01:54:41
about the driver one you pull behind, they sit on the back of the truck. 01:54:46
We have people that try to. 01:54:52
Put a camping shell on top of a trailer. 01:54:55
And then put their quad next to it and call that an RV. 01:54:58
And you can do that. You can take it down to a dot and they will. 01:55:02
License it as a recreational vehicle. 01:55:07
Umm. 01:55:11
I will say that one question that everyone asks is what is temporary? 01:55:17
Very good question. 01:55:24
I really wish I could provide you an answer. 01:55:26
Everyone has different. 01:55:29
Interpretation of what temporary is. 01:55:32
So when it says that our recreation vehicles for temporary use are for recreational use? 01:55:34
I wish I could tell you that means this. 01:55:40
The manufacturer. 01:55:43
Has it in enclosed. 01:55:45
Statement. 01:55:48
When they get there, the answering standards that can't get to. 01:55:49
They won't tell you. The feds say it's 14 days. That's why you when you go camping at A. 01:55:53
Federal. 01:55:58
Park. 01:55:59
You're supposed to move every 14 days. Whether they enforce that or not. It's another thing. 01:56:00
So I can't tell you. 01:56:05
What temporary is and I can't tell any customer that comes to our counter. 01:56:06
Which temporary is. 01:56:11
All I can say is it's not made as a dwelling. 01:56:14
Umm. 01:56:18
And per Hello County, our zoning ordinance. 01:56:19
They again, they're not dwelling and they can't be an AU additional dwelling unit. 01:56:24
It can't be a mother in laws quarters. 01:56:29
Per our zoning ordinance. 01:56:32
Umm. 01:56:35
Under our current interpretation, and we've dealt with this before. 01:56:36
Energy you. 01:56:41
Is generally unclassified district. 01:56:44
It's says that it is made for. 01:56:47
Farm non farm. 01:56:52
Residential uses farms branches. 01:56:54
Recreational and commercial uses. 01:56:56
Pretty much covers everything. 01:56:59
Well, prior interpretations. Nowhere does it say this. 01:57:01
In our ordinance, but prior interpretations was. 01:57:05
Because we said there was some recreational in the farm and commercial and the non farm and the. 01:57:09
Residential. 01:57:14
That that means they can have RV's on their property. 01:57:16
And. 01:57:19
We have in Hill County and I'm going to misquote this. 01:57:21
We have about 3000 properties that are Gu. 01:57:26
About 1000 are a tunnel. 01:57:30
And the rest are spread out. 01:57:34
So it's kind of a concentrated area, but a lot of the control Rd. there's a lot of GPU up there. 01:57:37
Um. 01:57:42
And again, don't quote me on that exact number. I had it at one point, but. 01:57:43
My brain stopped with what that number was. 01:57:47
So the prior temptation was. 01:57:51
Recreational use so. 01:57:54
Out there by the lake. 01:57:57
Everyone should be able to have it, even if they're not Gu. 01:57:58
And that ran into some problems because we have some R1L's out there. 01:58:02
Which is residential one limited. 01:58:06
Which is about our strictest zoning. 01:58:09
It says you can't use one. You can't. 01:58:13
Look at 1:00. 01:58:17
You can't get at UP for one. 01:58:18
Whatever reasons, when that was written, that was what was decided for that area. 01:58:22
Were you all dealt with? 01:58:26
People are trying to bring it, it says no manufactured home, no mobile home, no recreational vehicle. 01:58:30
And when people bring in something pre built, I've dealt with some of the supervisors on projects where they're getting 01:58:35
complaints. 01:58:38
Because they had something built off site and they considered that manufacturer. 01:58:42
Well, it was built off site, but it met the building code and there were certain things that came in that allowed it to go into an 01:58:46
R1L. 01:58:49
But. 01:58:53
They're the most restrictive. 01:58:54
So you we have go from. 01:58:56
You can't use this. Even if you're building your house an R1L, you're not allowed to live. 01:58:58
Further zoning and RV. 01:59:04
Period. 01:59:06
To where? 01:59:07
We've interpreted where she uses. 01:59:08
Have one live in an all day long and there's no restrictions. 01:59:11
So. 01:59:15
Pretty wide. 01:59:18
Path there in dealing with that. 01:59:20
And. 01:59:23
As you know, we became a couple about a month ago. We someone wanted to have two. 01:59:26
RV's on a Gu piece of property and that would require AT overlay. 01:59:31
So tears this trailer overlay. 01:59:36
Well, under our ordinance, one RV is 1. 01:59:39
Choose an RV park. 01:59:43
So. 01:59:45
Anywhere in our zoning. 01:59:46
Once you get the two, you need to apply for a key overlay because now you have an RV park. 01:59:49
And. 01:59:56
Some people like RV parks, some people don't. 01:59:58
Umm. 02:00:01
Again, we're bringing that information to you. 02:00:03
As you see on the bottom of this page, this is that talks about the R1L there. 02:00:06
Which is very restrictive. 02:00:10
A lot of that area is high strawberry. 02:00:13
But. 02:00:16
Down by Roosevelt, there's no R1L. 02:00:18
Um, they're kind of spread all over. 02:00:21
And um. 02:00:23
You know where we're going. 02:00:26
So again, currently in our. 02:00:38
Ordinance. 02:00:42
We reference recreational vehicles very few times. 02:00:43
Um, we talked about them in definitions. 02:00:47
We talked about them in RV park definitions. 02:00:51
And then in single family rural districts. 02:00:54
We talked about how you can use one in store for storage only. 02:00:57
We talk about it in R1L where it says you can't have them. 02:01:02
And then we talked about them in a T overlay. 02:01:06
And then we talked about them in a temporary use permit. 02:01:09
And that's basically saying. 02:01:13
And this shows you on how things can become out of date. 02:01:15
It says that you can get at UP. 02:01:19
If you have a permit for your house and everyone else. 02:01:21
Um, you can live in an RV while you're constructing your house, and that can do for six months out of a year. 02:01:25
Back when you used to be able to get your house built in six months. 02:01:31
That worked. 02:01:35
Nowadays our ordinance specifically says six months. 02:01:37
We have come and it does say I can take it to the board of adjustments I believe and get that extended and we have done that. 02:01:40
But we also. 02:01:49
Don't want them living in that after they've got their Co. 02:01:50
On their property, so we just limit it to when they get their Co. 02:01:54
So. 02:01:59
As big as time. And I know I've talked to all the supervisors. 02:02:01
In some capacity on this? 02:02:06
Recreational vehicles are big thing and I will tell you I meet with the county directors. 02:02:08
It's a big thing everywhere. 02:02:13
Some are much more restrictive than we are. 02:02:16
And some are much less restrictive than we are, So it's kind of a gamut. 02:02:19
Umm. 02:02:23
But it is a an issue and I know. 02:02:25
Surprise, Hungry I do have. 02:02:30
Tiny homes on here. 02:02:33
Because I know you've talked about wanting to do tiny homes, but. 02:02:34
Some of the concerns with this is also. 02:02:41
The safety risk, again, they're not made to be a dwelling. 02:02:44
We have a lot. 02:02:47
People. 02:02:49
That are used in the short term rentals. 02:02:51
And so. 02:02:53
They're renting these out to people to come up and. 02:02:54
As we know, there's a lot of short term rental. 02:03:00
Individuals that don't treat stuff as nicely. 02:03:03
But they try to put two or three on their property. 02:03:06
And then they rent them out and. 02:03:09
Now the neighbors are. 02:03:12
Not happy because. 02:03:15
All the noise, the fire and the cars and the vehicles and everything else that go along with that. 02:03:17
So that isn't an issue. 02:03:24
Aesthetic issues and compatibility with RV's. 02:03:26
Again. 02:03:30
I have not personally seen one of those million dollar RV's here in Yellow County. 02:03:31
But they do exist. We have some very nice ones, but a lot of them are. 02:03:37
You know, I've got people right now that are permitting bringing up 1987 single whites. 02:03:42
That are RV's so. 02:03:48
There. 02:03:50
May or may not be the most aesthetically pleasing. 02:03:51
And how? 02:03:55
Supervisors want to deal with that that that's a question that for. 02:03:56
Umm. 02:04:01
Enforcing the compliance is very difficult. 02:04:02
I don't know how long you've been there. I don't know. You know, you say you come up. You only stay on the weekend. 02:04:06
Umm. 02:04:11
That's funny that I catch you there on Wednesday, but. 02:04:13
You can have a different weekend than than I do. 02:04:16
Um. 02:04:18
But you know, I don't rent this out. 02:04:19
But the guy shows me the rental agreement that he paid you to use this RV. 02:04:22
So it it's a very difficult thing to enforce. 02:04:29
Prices nowadays. 02:04:34
Are insane for housing. 02:04:36
Um. 02:04:39
Yeah. And that that causes. 02:04:40
Shortages that causes concerns. 02:04:44
Then we also run into the tax. 02:04:46
Issue I had a. 02:04:49
The assessors. 02:04:51
Draw me up a little table. 02:04:54
Um. 02:04:56
If you put a septic system and power on a piece of property and I used half acre. 02:04:58
Half acre you're around $700. 02:05:04
And. 02:05:07
You know, obviously can change in different areas, but. 02:05:08
So once I had to run, that's around $700 in taxes. 02:05:10
You put a house on there, You're around 1800 to 2500. 02:05:14
In taxes. 02:05:19
Now you put an RV next to that home, you're paying 700 because we don't count RV as. 02:05:21
Anything to the property. 02:05:27
And someone put their home on there. 02:05:29
And they're all getting the same services. 02:05:32
So they're getting the same sheriff, same roads, same everything. 02:05:35
And this guy's paying. 02:05:39
Worst case scenario around 2500. 02:05:41
And this guy's paying 500 or 700 depends on where he's at. 02:05:44
Some people don't think that's fair. 02:05:49
Umm. 02:05:51
That's the decision that that. 02:05:53
The board's gonna have to make down the line on how you want to deal with that. 02:05:55
And where you want to go with that. But that is a real. 02:05:59
Scenario that is going on and. 02:06:03
They do pay. 02:06:07
Licensing the first time. 02:06:08
To license that recreational vehicle out. So they did pay some packages to the state. 02:06:10
To be able to drive that out, but when they put it on a piece of property. 02:06:16
I I can't tell you how many times we go and they're not licensed because they're sitting there, right? They're they're not moving. 02:06:20
They're not on the road, the cars are, but the the vehicle itself are. So when they paid that first tag to a dot. 02:06:26
Um, they covered getting it there, but then it sits there and now? 02:06:34
Umm. 02:06:38
You know, RV's are a lot like cars. 02:06:39
They start deteriorating in value which shows you pull them off a lot and. 02:06:43
We have a requirement of 1977 or earlier. 02:06:50
Are not allowed to be moved into Heela County. Actually, they're not allowed to be moved into the state. 02:06:54
And that's because of their design. 02:07:00
Back in 1977, they didn't meet even. 02:07:03
Any clothes? Either you need answers or snow loads. 02:07:07
And so they all built them with £15 snow loads like they were in Phoenix. 02:07:10
And then they bring him up here to pine Strawberry. We have £40 snow load. 02:07:16
And we get them to collapse and and people can get hurt so. 02:07:21
The state. 02:07:26
As has said. 02:07:27
They call it pre hood 1977 and I'm allowed to move them on here, but we have them. 02:07:29
Here. 02:07:34
Umm. 02:07:35
And they they've lasted the test of time, so I mean. 02:07:36
There are you? I don't think it's really fair to say they're not gonna hold the snow. Look they have. 02:07:39
But. 02:07:44
I will tell you, they're not the most esthetically pleasing. The neighbors are complaining. 02:07:45
Um. 02:07:50
Where we run into an issue is this person who puts the home up. 02:07:51
And now we have an RV next to them and they start bringing their outside storage. 02:07:55
And they start bringing. 02:07:59
Their old car that broke down because they don't want to have it in their house. 02:08:01
In Phoenix or in the Valley? 02:08:05
And so they start bringing stuff up here, and now they become a storage yard. 02:08:07
And then they're only there on the weekends and then during the summer. 02:08:11
They might be here a little bit more during the winter. They're here less. 02:08:15
So now the neighbor who's. 02:08:19
Put up his 300 to $500,000 home is is staring at at that this kind of stuff and and then they keep complaining and. 02:08:22
As you know, our code enforcement response to complaints. 02:08:34
And um, I would tell you. 02:08:37
I'm going to say. 02:08:43
Twice a week, minimum. 02:08:45
We get complaints about RV's. 02:08:47
Umm. 02:08:49
And a lot of them are in the. 02:08:51
Toronto area. 02:08:55
A lot of them are in in Strawberry. 02:08:57
You know, people that go back. 02:09:00
You know, strawberries kind of spread out in the back there. You don't normally drive by everyone. 02:09:02
But they. 02:09:07
They put him up there and and stick him in there and. 02:09:09
And um. 02:09:12
You know they they are storing stuff in them and there's other such can't store them. 02:09:14
And we've corrected that with some past issues. 02:09:19
That they you can not R1L can't do it there. 02:09:22
But you can store on our V. 02:09:26
But it be it becomes an issue of you know. 02:09:30
When all the pop outs are out, it's hooked. All the utilities of stairs are out. 02:09:33
There's a picnic table on the front and there's flowers. 02:09:36
And there's kids bikes there that that's not truly storage. 02:09:39
Or when they build a patio. 02:09:44
Onto in front of the RV. 02:09:46
I don't know that they're storing their household goods in there anymore. 02:09:48
Again. 02:09:57
Park real quickly about tiny homes. 02:10:00
Tiny homes are allowed in Hill County today. 02:10:03
They're almost allowed anywhere, actually. The newer codes have a whole section just dedicated to tiny homes. 02:10:07
But. 02:10:14
Tiny homes are built for the code. 02:10:16
And they can be considered a dwelling. 02:10:18
A lot of the problem that you're running with tiny homes is you have a lot of the expense in a pretty small home. 02:10:21
Umm. 02:10:27
We do have some problems with our zoning in that area. 02:10:28
Some of our zoning says you have to build a minimum of 720 square foot to have a dwelling on the on the property. 02:10:32
Most tiny homes are not 720 square feet. 02:10:39
We're somewhere between. 02:10:42
4 to 600 You know, if you're living in a tiny home. 02:10:45
Mentality and the minimalist. 02:10:49
That goes along with that. 02:10:52
There's a lot of places that will sell you tiny home kits. 02:10:54
For $100,000. 02:10:58
And then you buy your land and you are now about $1000 a square foot. 02:11:00
That you have into a tiny home. 02:11:05
Where you build your own house your you know. 02:11:07
Five, 400 square foot to build it so. 02:11:11
There is some problems with that because everything is specially built. 02:11:14
For a tiny home, you know you gotta have those cupboards built for the right size and. 02:11:18
They pull out and they lay down and become a pillow and footstep and everything else. But isn't that a personal choice? 02:11:23
Absolutely, absolutely OK. 02:11:27
No, like I said again, there are two codes. 02:11:32
They become a dwelling. Totally legal. 02:11:34
The only problem we have is a couple of our zoning says 720 square foot. Other than that. 02:11:38
Tiny homes can go up anywhere and they can heal county. 02:11:42
Except for those specific areas. 02:11:45
They can go in R one L. 02:11:47
Because they are built willing. 02:11:49
They're not a manufactured home. 02:11:52
So. 02:11:54
I know that Kanye homes have been brought up before. They are totally allowed except for the size and a couple of our zonings. 02:11:56
That would go along with that. 02:12:03
So again, Arby's. 02:12:06
You know the the questions been brought up and I. 02:12:10
It's been brought many, many, many, many, many, many times how we want to deal with this. 02:12:12
Staff recommendations. 02:12:17
And moving forward or? 02:12:19
Umm. 02:12:22
We engage with the stakeholders and. 02:12:23
Talk with all of the. 02:12:26
I I kind of like talking to the real estate people because everyone's telling people a lot what they can do and not do on their 02:12:28
properties. 02:12:31
So that we're all clear. 02:12:34
Umm. 02:12:36
You know. 02:12:38
The use permit is what we talked about for. 02:12:40
An RV that where we could charge for a use permit. 02:12:44
That would allow. 02:12:48
An RV to be used on someone's property. 02:12:50
That they might be. 02:12:55
Getting up to the same. 02:12:56
And I don't know how to say those same tax value. 02:13:00
As their neighbor who who built the house. 02:13:03
So that everyone's paying fairly for the. 02:13:06
Services that they're they're obtaining. 02:13:10
So with that. 02:13:13
Looking for? 02:13:15
Any thoughts, questions, concerns. You ready for this handy? 02:13:17
I hope so, Sir. 02:13:20
Supervisor Humphrey lead the charge. 02:13:22
I think it's seems like I get that pleasure. 02:13:25
I I believe we live in a time. 02:13:29
That. 02:13:32
Construction is not what it wants used to be. 02:13:33
I can remember not too long ago that you couldn't get an address in heel County unless you had plans to build a home. 02:13:36
Thought to change that. 02:13:45
OK, we did. I think we're in a time. 02:13:48
That a lot of us in this area. 02:13:51
Have recreational. 02:13:54
Areas. 02:13:57
Period and and. 02:13:59
And. 02:14:01
Materials have gone up, properties gone up. I I don't believe everyone is going to. 02:14:02
Build a $300,000 home as a recreational on weekends type deal. 02:14:07
Also too, in our economy, I think there's. 02:14:12
Also people that don't have the means. 02:14:15
To buy or build a home. 02:14:18
And so. 02:14:21
And and in my public meetings I have. 02:14:24
Had a lot of input from people that. 02:14:28
That believe that we should come to some. 02:14:31
Some balance of where people can live in something alternative than a stick. 02:14:35
Or mortar built home. 02:14:42
And and so. 02:14:44
That's that's kind of my two cents on it. 02:14:46
Whether it's a mental home, Whether it's a mini home, whether it's a. 02:14:49
Umm. 02:14:52
A motorhome, whether it's an RV. 02:14:53
Umm. 02:14:57
You know I. 02:14:58
I I guess where I'm at is I. 02:15:00
I know my public input. 02:15:03
I I think you know public input. 02:15:05
And Realtors input. 02:15:08
So I I guess I'm looking for recommendations. 02:15:10
On what the board could do to. 02:15:14
To help come up with something that. 02:15:18
That could solve some of these problems. 02:15:21
And if you have two. 02:15:24
Two calls a week on. 02:15:28
On alternative living. 02:15:30
Structures. 02:15:34
I'm not gonna say whether they're motor homes or whatever. 02:15:35
And and a lot of that is, is that something that we already have ordinances against? 02:15:38
Like trash. Or they bring all of their junk with them. What we have ordinances against junking up your place. 02:15:43
Whether there's a house there or a fifth wheel. 02:15:49
But but I do think that at some point in time. 02:15:53
I. 02:15:57
My opinion is, is that we're going to have to look at. 02:15:58
At UH, some kind of ordinances or some kind of allowance? 02:16:02
To enable people to. 02:16:06
Be able to live. 02:16:09
In something other than a stick built home. 02:16:11
And and what what that picture looks like? 02:16:16
You're the one that gets all the complaints. 02:16:19
Umm. 02:16:22
And and public input. You know, at my meetings you said you'd get public input. 02:16:23
To help us create something to where because as you say, we've already got people living in. 02:16:29
Umm. 02:16:36
And and so. 02:16:37
Where's that line at? Is is where I'm at now. If you want me to help make that decision, you know I'll get some information to 02:16:39
make that decision. 02:16:43
Or or My two cents worth, but but as a board we have to pass something. 02:16:47
And so I I don't you know I I know my district. I don't know supervisor clients district. 02:16:52
I don't know Supervisor Christiansen District and and their opinion. 02:16:58
Or or what they feel about alternative living. 02:17:02
Other than a stick built home, but I I think at some point in time we are going to have to. 02:17:06
Allow it and whether it's taxes, whether it's. 02:17:12
You know a a permit say OK if you can't live in A permanently. 02:17:17
Four month permit, six month permit, three month permit. 02:17:22
I mean, I. 02:17:26
But I'm I'm elected to work for the public, and my public is reached out to me. 02:17:28
That they are are. 02:17:33
Are asking me to find an option. 02:17:35
For alternative living other than a stick framework. 02:17:38
And and that's that's where, where, where My tooth. 02:17:42
Are. 02:17:46
And what that picture looks like. 02:17:47
I don't know. Do I have some ideas? 02:17:49
Yes, but but I think in long run. 02:17:52
Some of our ordinances were written a long, long time ago. 02:17:58
And and I think as times change, as people change. 02:18:01
Ohh, we need to alter those. 02:18:05
Because 50 years ago. 02:18:08
I've I've seen. 02:18:10
Pull behind trailers that were built 50 years ago. 02:18:12
No one would ever want to live in one. 02:18:15
But what they're creating today? 02:18:18
Even though the manufacturer doesn't say that they're livable, there's a lot of people living in them now yearly. A lot of people 02:18:21
have sold their homes and they live in them year round. They just travel around depending on where the weather suits them. 02:18:27
So. 02:18:34
I. 02:18:35
My two cents are that I think at some point in time. 02:18:36
We're going to have to come up with a happy medium of what ordinances we have now. 02:18:38
And what people want. 02:18:45
To allow. 02:18:47
Alternative living in a recreational area. 02:18:50
Other than a stick built on. 02:18:54
And Mr. Chair, that's my $0.02. 02:18:57
Supervisor Christensen, Thank you, Chairman. 02:19:00
Randy, we've talked a lot about this. 02:19:03
It's very. 02:19:06
Difficult to say. 02:19:07
These are the lines and this is where we don't cross that line. 02:19:09
So my opinion is. 02:19:13
That, you know, we have to protect neighborhoods from. 02:19:15
The blight of perhaps an RV coming in, though you have expensive homes in an area. 02:19:20
And then someone buys a vacant lot and now they have a 27 foot release there. 02:19:26
And. 02:19:31
Is that accommodating to the neighborhood? Does it devalue the neighborhood and those considerations? So I'm concerned about that. 02:19:33
But I'm also. 02:19:41
Open to the idea that someone might want to use one on occasion, or you know you say it can't be. 02:19:42
Umm. 02:19:49
Continuous. 02:19:50
It's not really a home. It's an RV. It's. And I get that totally. 02:19:52
But especially like in Supervisor Humphreys District I I I see the lake. 02:19:57
You know, environment down there and something where someone wants to buy a piece of property, put an RV on it and use it on 02:20:03
occasion, temporary weekends or whatever. It's not continuous. It's not permanent dwelling. 02:20:09
But then we have restrictions on getting them hooked up, so they still have to be working a generator. 02:20:17
Or a non septic or something like that and so. 02:20:23
Can we accommodate some of that in certain areas? 02:20:29
Which is not going to devalue other neighborhoods. 02:20:32
And we also have the ability to have areas where a whole entire area can be tiny houses. 02:20:36
Or whole entire area can be an RV park. 02:20:43
So if if you have a trailer park, those people do live in those things permanently. 02:20:46
I mean, they can. 02:20:52
And so, but that's a different we zone for that. 02:20:53
And we do put the T overlay for the four people to have that right. So for if a developer says, look I'm buying 20 acres over 02:20:58
here, I want to zone it for. 02:21:02
This usage, then he has the ability to do that. Then if if you want to park your trailer there and come up and live there all the 02:21:07
time or not, that's up to you. And so we isolate that. 02:21:12
And so I see that as a viable option. 02:21:18
Umm. 02:21:21
I totally agree that the expenses of building a home anymore. 02:21:22
Is super bad. So what we're trying to do is say. 02:21:26
Well, there's some people that can afford to come up and recreate, but they don't want to build a house. 02:21:29
So. 02:21:35
How we? 02:21:36
Get there is probably. 02:21:37
What you bring to us? 02:21:40
But I think you understand my sentiment. 02:21:42
Can we have an accommodation in some cases? 02:21:45
For those people that want to have a boat parked. 02:21:48
And drive up, live in an RV and take their boat down to the lake. 02:21:52
So my love to ask questions. 02:21:56
Hmm. 02:21:59
Do you think that that should be across all zoning districts? 02:22:02
Under there are the Gu for recreational. 02:22:07
Or in R1LI mean not R1L. 02:22:10
So but our one you know TR all those, so do you see it across all the districts? 02:22:13
Or do you see it in GPU? No, I don't see it. one-size-fits-all. I don't see it across everyone. 02:22:19
Because I think some people do purchase into a certain zoning. 02:22:26
To say I know I'm not gonna see that next to me. 02:22:30
But. 02:22:33
There's probably some other areas that are a little bit more relaxed. 02:22:34
When it's they, they build a shop or whatever. They don't have a house, but they got a shop. 02:22:39
You know and I I can see as. 02:22:44
Americans like the freedom to be able to use their stuff, your property. 02:22:47
And so I can see you say, well, you can't do it here, but over in this area. 02:22:51
It's zoned for something like what you're talking about doing. 02:22:55
That's kind of what I'm saying. 02:22:59
OK. 02:23:01
You good? 02:23:03
I don't know. 02:23:05
I think so. 02:23:07
Good discussions Randy and I I bet you all can already guess my input on this one. But. 02:23:10
You know, it is a tough, it is a tough topic because there are a lot of hard working people out there that they can't afford 02:23:15
anything that that. 02:23:19
And. 02:23:23
And then you've got the people that. 02:23:25
Well, they don't like their neighbors. And the way to Ding them is to complain about them being in an RV right there. You've got 02:23:27
those calls too. I know you do. And so. 02:23:32
So it isn't. You know, when we talk about issues, it isn't just always somebody being mad because they're. 02:23:37
Someone's living in an RV. It could be over something else. 02:23:43
The. 02:23:46
I've I've always been a big. 02:23:48
Proponent of. 02:23:50
You own your property. You do what you want as long as you're not hurting your neighbor. 02:23:52
Our neighbors and so and that can be pretty wide. 02:23:56
You know that can be aesthetics. 02:23:59
It could be other things as well. 02:24:01
So I think when it really gets down to this and we, and I'm not saying we don't need to look out, we do. We need to take a real 02:24:04
hard look at it, see. 02:24:08
And do I think it you know? 02:24:12
One thing would fit all of our. 02:24:16
Our zoning, I don't think so either I I kind of agree with that. The GPU part of it, yes, but but you know and and we all kind of 02:24:19
get focused on on Supervisor Humphreys district because of the lake. 02:24:25
But in reality, we have a ton of this, like he said, up along Control Road and up there where people go to the Pines. 02:24:31
In the summer for recreation and. 02:24:38
And park their trailers and I know a lot of them will take them and move them back off the mountain for the winter and some of 02:24:41
them leave them there, so. 02:24:44
So I think there's. 02:24:48
There's a lot to be said about. 02:24:49
How we're gonna sit and look at this? 02:24:52
But. 02:24:55
I don't want to be so restrictive that we're going to put a lot of hurting on a lot of people. 02:24:56
That's what I don't want to do because there's too many folks out there that are working really hard trying to make ends meet and 02:25:03
that's all they can afford. 02:25:06
And so we really need to be. 02:25:11
Open minded about that and. 02:25:13
And then see what we can workout. 02:25:17
How do you guys feel about having them as rental for short term rentals? OK, I'm gonna start that one, so. 02:25:19
It amazes me somebody would want to spending money to rent one of those anyway. I mean for me personally. 02:25:30
To to go spend a weekend and something like that but. 02:25:36
I see other things. They they they rent the yurts. 02:25:39
They rent teepees they rent. 02:25:43
You know, walled tents, I mean, it's just that, you know, people are kind of just in that. 02:25:46
Mode. These days it's something new. It's, it's whatever. 02:25:52
But where you could stack those up? 02:25:57
On a piece of property and rent them all out it it could cause a lot of issues. It really could. 02:26:00
And so. 02:26:05
Personally. 02:26:07
I'm not so sure it I'd really have to think hard about that one to see. 02:26:08
You guys. 02:26:13
There there's a lot of opportunities with RV's like glamping, you know, You know what that is. 02:26:15
I used to have a 50. I think it was a 56 Silver St. 02:26:22
And those things are like, super desirable. 02:26:26
And so people are willing to come up and say have a weekend in that or whatever or. 02:26:30
Maybe somebody doesn't own their own travel trailer, they want to go fishing, so they, you know, for 40 bucks a night they'll stay 02:26:36
in someone else's RV. My main issue is always the impact to. 02:26:41
The area or the neighborhood, So. 02:26:47
I think about a guy that owns 200 and some acres. He's rancher and he's got an RV out in the middle of it. Are we going to go out 02:26:50
and mess with that guy? No one's complaining. No one sees it. You know it's invisible, yet it's still in violation. 02:26:56
So. 02:27:03
We just kind of, umm. 02:27:04
I look at it as, is it impacting the neighborhood negatively? So you talk about pine, strawberries, Bonita Creek, all this stuff. 02:27:06
There's land all over. There's people that come up. They spend the weekend. 02:27:12
The mother-in-law is in there for a while, whatever it is. 02:27:18
It. 02:27:22
Is there a lot of complaints? Is there anything that's impacting the neighborhood negatively? You say? Well, no. However, they're 02:27:23
in violation of the ordinance. 02:27:28
And so at the at and so. 02:27:33
I guess say well. 02:27:36
Is the ordinance then two black and white? When it comes to that, isn't there any kind of a A? 02:27:38
Area. 02:27:45
That someone can use. 02:27:46
That that is not a major impact to the to the neighbors and no one really cares. 02:27:48
And come up. Yeah, OK. 02:27:54
You know. 02:27:56
Mother-in-law came up and they stayed in the trailer. Big deal. 02:27:57
Ohh, but there's, you know, there's smoking meth, they're making meth, you know, whatever, in the trailer. 02:28:01
You know they do that in houses too. 02:28:06
Yeah. 02:28:11
Or it really crashed? 02:28:12
Or, you know, it's it's really a mess and it impacts the neighborhood. 02:28:14
So I I don't. I feel for you because and I feel for all of us because there's no real easy solution in this. 02:28:19
Yeah, Mr. Chair, you know, a lot of this we've already got ordinances against. 02:28:29
You know blight. Blight is blight and we have code enforcement or blight. 02:28:33
But. 02:28:38
And and how I feel about. 02:28:39
You know. 02:28:42
Short term rental the same as I would long term rental. 02:28:43
Pile of bunch on them and rent them out. 02:28:47
Then you get into health and safety. I mean, I can't build a four bedroom house with a septic tank that will only allow me to 02:28:49
build a two-bedroom house. 02:28:53
So if you're going to have. 02:28:58
Alternative living. 02:29:00
Such as a motorhome or whatever and you have a septic. 02:29:02
OK. 02:29:05
Is you can only have so many fixtures. 02:29:06
Perceptive per What your septic allows. 02:29:09
So why should it be any different for? 02:29:12
Vacation home or or or. 02:29:16
Portable living. 02:29:19
Rather than than a stick built home. 02:29:21
So I you know, I mean, I think a lot of this could be narrowed down with some thought. 02:29:24
Because no, you can't have five RB's on an acre. 02:29:28
Because you don't have the septic to allow it. 02:29:32
Type thing and and as far as you know taxing districts of you know OK if if you if you want to put a trailer in an in an in an 02:29:37
area where you have $500,000 homes. 02:29:43
Hey, if they want to pay the taxes that those people do. 02:29:49
Maybe it's OK because it's going to discourage them from doing that. 02:29:53
So. 02:29:58
I and and and what I would like. 02:29:59
To here too. 02:30:02
Is, is. 02:30:03
At some of my meetings, you said you'd have public. 02:30:05
Hearings you would get in front of the public. 02:30:08
And and So what I'd like to do. 02:30:11
Is I've heard from my public because I have public meeting. 02:30:14
But I haven't heard from public and patient. I haven't heard from public and Young. 02:30:17
So I mean if if if you're going to look into this and make recommendations, I'd like to hear what the Realtors say in these 02:30:22
different areas. I'd like to hear what the public from. 02:30:27
From the other supervisors, districts have to say. 02:30:33
But I think at some point in. 02:30:37
That. 02:30:39
My overall feeling is that we're gonna have to come up with some kind of ordinances. 02:30:40
To allow some type of alternative living. 02:30:44
Because we're in an area where. 02:30:48
Where people turn down jobs here because there's no place to live and until infrastructure gets really further than it is now. 02:30:51
But like I say before we make that decision. 02:31:01
Umm. 02:31:04
I I would. I would like to hear from the other districts. 02:31:04
Public and Realtors and and the plan for staff is after this meeting. 02:31:08
I'll be setting that up for the other areas wanted to see. 02:31:13
Should any thoughts and directions so that? 02:31:20
As I move forward. 02:31:23
We're not going down the wrong path, right? Anything. 02:31:25
And Mr. Chair and and input from from the Health Department. But what's their $0.02 worth? 02:31:28
Code enforcement What? What? What's their $0.02 worth? 02:31:35
Because if if we do come up with a. 02:31:38
A A balance or happy medium somewhere that's going to involve all of those departments. 02:31:41
And and we're going to make decisions that they're going to have to to deal with. 02:31:47
So I think it would be important to hear from. 02:31:52
Like I say, code enforcement in our health departments. 02:31:55
Of first responders how how they feel about fighting a fire on a. 02:31:58
Alternative living rather than a stick bill. 02:32:04
There's no fighting it there. I think there's just a matter of keeping it from spreading because they go up pretty fast. But but 02:32:07
you know, I like I say there's there's a whole lot of information that I. 02:32:13
And. 02:32:19
I would. 02:32:20
Like to hear? 02:32:21
Umm. 02:32:22
To help maybe? 02:32:23
Narrowing things down to it. 02:32:25
To what we what we may need to do in the future. 02:32:26
But I appreciate you time, energy and effort in looking into this. 02:32:29
Because changing ordinances and changing times is difficult. 02:32:34
But but we're living in some changing times and I think that. 02:32:39
Perhaps sometimes we need to change with them. 02:32:43
OK. 02:32:46
Big topic, Randy. Thank you for diving into it. Thanks for the presentation. 02:32:47
OK. Let's push on and get to E information discussion regarding status updates on facilities and Land Management department 02:32:54
capital projects. 02:32:59
Doug's gonna start. He's got a lot of good things gonna tell us. 02:33:04
Thank you, Mr. Chairman of the Board. 02:33:10
We didn't want to keep this pretty brief, I think. 02:33:14
So if we're going to talk about the Payson Courthouse remodel that has. 02:33:23
Been been in the works for some time now. 02:33:29
UH, plans for the renovations on that the remodeling are. 02:33:33
95 to 100%. 02:33:38
And some of the drawings are 100%, some are only about 95 or a little greater. 02:33:40
And we went ahead and forwarded those plans to Gordian for a review and scheduling of the joint scope development meeting. 02:33:47
And through we'll do a walk through with the general contractor, look at the facility, go over the drawings and together we 02:33:58
developed a joint scope for. 02:34:02
What's been done there? 02:34:06
That that's gonna happen in the next two to three weeks. 02:34:09
Soon as we get that scheduled and then after that we'll be looking to get a cost estimate back in about two to three weeks. 02:34:13
So that's where that one stands. 02:34:21
Next up is the Payson Sheriff's Office. 02:34:24
Mr. Chairman. 02:34:28
If you have any questions about the projects as we go along, certain, go ahead and ask questions please. I think you can see my 02:34:29
wheels turning right there, yes. 02:34:33
All three of you. So I do have a question. Yes, Sir. 02:34:36
Dub and so. 02:34:39
So we used Gordian because that's a state. 02:34:41
Contractor basically, right. That gives us the ability to get out there and just start like we talked about in the past, yes, 02:34:44
which has been a big help. They they do not actually do the work, but they have general contractors underneath them that do the 02:34:49
work. Yeah, they're more like, OK. 02:34:54
So. 02:34:59
I guess what? 02:35:00
This is kind of confusing is if you. 02:35:01
So we're going through the state for through for this program because they've already. 02:35:06
The state has already vetted all these people. They're good to go. It's not like we have to solicit, bid, yadda, yadda, yadda. 02:35:10
But I guess what's confusing to me is when we take those people and we walk through a project to put a project together. 02:35:17
And to build a project. 02:35:26
They're part of that process, right? Yes. 02:35:28
I guess, I I guess that's kind of, I don't know, maybe I'm simple minded, don't get it. But it's kind of like they're helping you 02:35:34
develop a a project here that they're going to be a part of building. 02:35:38
Yes. 02:35:44
Perhaps. 02:35:46
Perhaps. 02:35:47
OK. 02:35:49
What do you mean by perhaps though because. 02:35:50
Mr. Chairman Members Board eight. It can still be put out to bid. 02:35:55
Is to put together the scope and the the bid package. 02:35:59
OK. 02:36:03
So Gordian is more or less just a like a consultant I guess that? 02:36:03
Helps us with these. 02:36:08
Designs Joseph or Yes Chairman board. 02:36:09
So. 02:36:13
If if there's a way I can explain it to really simplify it, it's a conduit. 02:36:14
To some of these state contractors. 02:36:19
With it being a conduit. 02:36:21
To reach out to whatever contractor we select that's pre approved by the state, pre vetted. 02:36:23
Umm. 02:36:29
What Gordian helps support is also. 02:36:31
The cost and the timeline and accountability. 02:36:34
So. 02:36:38
And also the the scope of work. 02:36:38
So say we wanted to go. 02:36:41
For a project. 02:36:44
We will reach out to Gordon. Gordon would then work with us at selecting A. 02:36:47
Prevented state contractor. 02:36:53
They would sit in on that meeting. 02:36:55
The biggest thing that's going to come out of that meeting is they're going to be able to use Guardian software. 02:36:57
And to set up their their scope and the cost. 02:37:02
And the biggest take away is the cost. 02:37:07
That cost is. 02:37:10
Pre selected. 02:37:13
So even if we, you know, if it's something as simple as a door handle. 02:37:14
It doesn't necessarily say exactly what door handle it is, it's just a flat cost. 02:37:19
So it allows us to ensure that we're not going to exceed. 02:37:25
That cost and also allow us to hold to the scope that we establish. 02:37:29
Hope that was helpful. I'd be happy to take any other questions with that. 02:37:36
Hi, go ahead, James. 02:37:39
I know that it's important that we consider local contractors and all the way to. 02:37:43
And so. 02:37:48
It's my understanding that we are not. 02:37:51
This process of going through bordering Gordian is not. 02:37:53
Precluding us from considering local contractors. 02:37:57
Should there be an interest from a local contractor to? 02:38:01
Be a participant in one of our projects, is that correct? 02:38:04
Roger that, Mister. Been loving to your point, our PVR contractor that was selected by us with Gordian. 02:38:08
They went out of their way to work with us to try and select local contractors. They did to get in, pulled into it right and it 02:38:17
was really, really neat to see, but. 02:38:22
We intend to doing that. 02:38:27
Pretty much every project is to have the emphasis. 02:38:29
And that's why we have the partnership with Guardian. 02:38:32
Um, it gives us a little bit of leverage with some of these state contractors. We've reached out to other state contractors 02:38:35
before. 02:38:38
And we're kind of at their mercy, even though it's with the state contract with the Guardian, it gives us a little bit of 02:38:42
leverage. 02:38:44
Because they want to hold that partnership not only with us. 02:38:47
But with Gordian? 02:38:50
OK, I I think I'm getting it. So yeah. 02:38:54
I'll listen some more if you guys have any questions on any of that, Tim. 02:38:57
No, that's fine. I'm good. OK. 02:39:02
The chairman Yeah, make one comment about this. 02:39:05
Umm. 02:39:08
Me personally, and I still have. 02:39:10
This same thing with disabilities and be able to accommodate those. 02:39:13
Could have needs. 02:39:17
And So what I'd ask is a a plan to. 02:39:19
Just conclude for the courthouse in Payson, just the stairs, the same as we have now that are proposed. 02:39:22
But also. 02:39:28
To have a consideration for you to decide. 02:39:29
Of a possibility of including an elevator, a vestibule out there on in the entryway, build a vestibule so that there's. 02:39:33
An option for an elevator? 02:39:40
Now I don't know what the costs are going to be. And so that's kind of where they're looking at two sets of plans, one with the 02:39:42
elevator, one without sure and to be able to bring that information. 02:39:47
To the board. 02:39:53
Be able to make them more formal decision. Yeah, we. 02:39:54
We would love to do the disability but. 02:39:57
We are compliant with what we're going to do with. 02:39:59
The the fire safety that we have to include and all that stuff. 02:40:02
And we're going to go with that for now, but. 02:40:06
That's an option that's coming with this particular building. Good. 02:40:10
Thank you, Doug. 02:40:14
Thank you and thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good points there. There are two sets of drawings being submitted, one with an elevator and 02:40:16
one without. So there that'll be a part of. 02:40:21
Denmark through and scope. 02:40:26
All right. 02:40:28
Moving on to the pacing. 02:40:31
Sheriff's Office remodel. You know what? Hang on just a minute. Let's back up just a little bit. 02:40:33
I think there's an important factor about this. 02:40:38
There's. 02:40:40
Courthouse that needs to be brought up. 02:40:41
If the elevator is in fact put in there to where handicapped people have more accessibility to the building, the the building 02:40:45
itself will be more. 02:40:50
More designed to accommodate more people or? 02:40:56
There's a permit this time? No. OK, there's there's we're not planning any remodel for the upstairs. 02:41:01
We promised Judge Wright. 02:41:07
Very early that we would do something to make his courtroom. 02:41:08
Cle bit more functional. 02:41:13
And that. 02:41:15
Functionality in the Superior courtroom in that building. 02:41:16
Brings with it the fire safety stuff, the fire Marshall and all those things that. 02:41:20
We've been able to push off to this point. We are not able to any longer, OK, So there's more to it than just getting the. 02:41:26
The accessibility part of it done. 02:41:32
There are some narrow doors. There are hallways. 02:41:37
Can you accommodate those? Can you get somebody to go? 02:41:40
Probably so. 02:41:43
But they're not going to be the complete ADA compliant requires A3 foot corridor, 3 foot and and those types of things that are 02:41:44
required to be completely accessible. It will not be. We're not planning any remodel of the upstairs. 02:41:51
So. 02:41:58
So let me get something straight in my head then, by putting the elevator on there. 02:42:00
And I'm going to use you a good for a good example. You know when you broke your hip, so you're on crutches and you're hobbling 02:42:05
around. That'll be a benefit for workers to be able to still get to their desks or whatever having that. 02:42:10
Mr. Chairman, there is no way I'm doing stairs. 02:42:16
No, even now, two months after I broke my hip, I'm I'm not doing stairs right. 02:42:19
And I would not be able to access the 2nd floor and so, but I would be able to using crutches at this point would be able to 02:42:24
access an office. 02:42:27
And those that do do my work, right, it's an elevator. So that's that's the difference. Yes. OK. 02:42:31
Mr. Chair, if I get, if I could just clarify a question. 02:42:37
The purpose of a of a remodel. 02:42:41
For our for our new building. 02:42:44
What? What? What is it for more handicap accessible? 02:42:46
Is that Is that the purpose for? 02:42:50
Our remodel. 02:42:53
Mr. Chairman ohh, go ahead. 02:42:55
Please, Mr. Chairman. 02:42:57
Judge Wright came to us and asked the Board of Supervisors to. 02:42:59
Make his courtroom more accommodating to just the proceedings that he does. 02:43:04
And the Board of Supervisors. 02:43:08
Included that as a priority. 02:43:11
As far as the ARPA money and being able to spend it for our money, so that's what this is about is the main focus is. 02:43:13
To make the superior courtroom. 02:43:20
And patient at that courthouse building. 02:43:23
More. 02:43:26
Able to meet the needs of the Superior Court. 02:43:27
In the northern part of the county. 02:43:31
And that is just downstairs. 02:43:35
County Attorney takes up most of the space upstairs. 02:43:37
So, Jessica, you're the one who wants the elevator, right? It's all. 02:43:42
Chairman members and advisors. So there's also the constables office and Casa is up there as well. So it would be the department 02:43:48
heads decision that. 02:43:53
You know. 02:43:58
They have an opinion as far as wanting the elevator or not. The consensus so far from the county attorney's office. 02:43:58
Is that it's not necessary and there are specific employees who would possibly utilize it, but that's the stance of the county 02:44:04
attorney's office at least. OK. 02:44:09
Thank you. 02:44:14
You good? 02:44:15
Tim, I'm good. 02:44:16
OK, Deb. 02:44:18
So we'll talk about the PACE and Sheriff's Sheriff's Office remodel. 02:44:25
We went through pretty much exactly what we're talking about doing with the courthouse, with the joint scope development. 02:44:30
We've already done that with the Sheriff's Office. 02:44:37
Uh. 02:44:40
We had a joint scope meeting and then a walk through with skyline builders. 02:44:41
They are one of the general contractors that is beneath Gordian. 02:44:46
And from that we receive a cost estimate of 2.2 million. 02:44:51
And currently we are doing a cost comparison analysis on that. 02:44:56
We don't have all the options in just yet and once we do, we'd like to come back to the board. 02:45:02
And solidify those options on that. 02:45:08
OK. 02:45:13
Questions. 02:45:14
Is you want to start besides me? 02:45:16
I'm good. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, thanks. I so thanks for that. 02:45:18
And I know we're going to be looking at options of purchasing another property that's twice the size and newer for approximately 02:45:24
the same price and so. 02:45:29
Ohh, that's something that I've been aware of for many many months now and. 02:45:34
Feel positive toward that direction. 02:45:39
Have this this structure hears older. 02:45:42
Detain more smaller. 02:45:46
Etc. And so I know we're going to talk about that. 02:45:49
So this has exceeded the proposed budget by a huge amount. 02:45:52
Because I think in the beginning we were talking about a remodel that might be in the 750,000. 02:45:58
Range and we're you know at 3 three times that really so. 02:46:04
It it just makes sense that we look at options and have vision for. 02:46:10
The Sheriff's Department and some of our other department as we go forward. So that's that's just an observation not a question. 02:46:15
Who's chairman? 02:46:19
Go ahead, let me comment about that story, Christian. 02:46:23
The 2.2 million is. 02:46:27
Other than the jail cells themselves is a complete gut. 02:46:29
Of the entire building, so. 02:46:34
With that it would be. 02:46:36
Brand new, essentially other than shell. 02:46:38
It's gonna be a brand new building at the cost of 2.2 million. Now that does not change the cells. 02:46:41
But does add a kitchen, does add laundry, and does add functionality for the. 02:46:48
For the jail itself, so. 02:46:53
That just to let you know that. 02:46:56
The entire extent of why that's such a huge. 02:46:58
Price tag is a complete gut other than the actual sales. 02:47:02
Themselves. 02:47:06
OK. 02:47:08
So Joseph, with that in mind, when you tie into a building of this age, what are you gonna find when you open it up? I mean, are 02:47:09
you satisfied you can hold it at 2.2 if that that if it went that way? 02:47:14
Or is it gonna end up being leveled and started over again? 02:47:20
Board supervisor, that's that's a really great question. 02:47:25
Facility of. 02:47:29
This size. 02:47:31
And. 02:47:33
Aged infrastructure, there is a high probability. 02:47:33
Of coming across. 02:47:37
Issues. 02:47:39
Yeah. That's not uncommon with any kind of renovation in this size, but we are. 02:47:40
If this is a pathway we move forward with, we are anticipating quite a few challenges that come with that and there's going to be 02:47:45
obviously costs associated with that also. 02:47:50
That that's my biggest question and another question I too I have too is if if let's say we go a different route and we do end up 02:47:56
acquiring another piece of property and moving things around, we'll continue to use these gel cells. Is that correct? 02:48:03
Is that kind of plan that is that is from facilities standpoint they will be operational obviously it'd be up to the SO whether 02:48:12
they wanted to continue their operation? 02:48:17
But from a facility standpoint, yes. 02:48:22
Um, if that was one of the pathways. 02:48:24
Kind of. 02:48:27
Get a little bit deeper into your question. 02:48:28
Um, we would be looking at doing a little bit more extensive maintenance. 02:48:30
That has kind of been laid to the side. 02:48:35
Until we have established A pathway forward. 02:48:37
So we would still end up having to put some work into these cells. 02:48:40
At some point to keep using this building. 02:48:44
Roger that. And it's important to just like Mr. Miller was mentioning, the cells are. 02:48:47
A completely separate portion of the way we view this facility. So we wouldn't necessarily put in a lot of investment or 02:48:52
maintenance into the cells outside of something very basic. 02:48:57
But as far as the rest of the facility or operational side? 02:49:03
We would be doing it over a. 02:49:07
Period of time, whether that's a one year or five year maintenance plan. 02:49:10
So it'd be similar to falling underneath a lot of our other right maintenance plans. 02:49:15
And and so. 02:49:22
James maybe? 02:49:24
You can answer this if we went that different direction and we acquired another. 02:49:25
Another. 02:49:30
Building 4. 02:49:31
Sheriff's Office and whoever else we need to to work with. 02:49:33
Then would we, would our well maybe 2, Joseph, would we still be looking at putting like the kitchen setup or laundry facilities 02:49:37
in this building? 02:49:41
Mr. Chairman, I believe that we would need to do. 02:49:47
Something to an extent. 02:49:50
Yes. 02:49:52
So if something. 02:49:54
So if. 02:49:56
So if we purchased another building. 02:49:57
Thinking that that was gonna kind of. 02:50:00
Get us a lot further down the road. We're still going to end up putting it a chunk of money into this to do that. 02:50:04
Roger that, that's correct so. 02:50:12
Something to point out is most people fall underneath the operational space of maintenance. 02:50:14
So capital funding I think would be limited to. 02:50:19
What Mr. Menlo kind of outlined if we wanted to hit the kitchen and do a significant renovation there. 02:50:23
Then we would be looking at some other source of funding. 02:50:29
But as far as some of the maintenance, I don't think the impact from the maintenance would be significant because we're going to 02:50:32
be looking at prioritizing it. 02:50:36
And spreading it over a period of time. 02:50:40
You guys have something you want to chime in here or you want me to keep going? 02:50:45
Keep going. 02:50:49
So. 02:50:50
So. 02:50:52
Or option. 02:50:54
Of either putting 2.2 plus into this building. 02:50:55
Or going out and purchasing another setup. 02:51:00
Another building the price on that was. 02:51:05
3,000,000. 02:51:08
About two. 02:51:11
And so. 02:51:14
That, if I remember right, was quite a large building too, and so not only would it be able to meet what the Sheriff's Office 02:51:16
needs were, but we would actually have some additional space for someone else. 02:51:22
Mr. Chairman, that could be considered. 02:51:30
Yes. 02:51:33
OK, so Joseph, if we went and bought our building for $2,000,000. 02:51:36
And give whatever we need to, which I'm sure would take a few more dollars than that to do it. 02:51:40
Just off the top of your head, I'm not pinning you down on anything so but just a wild guess. 02:51:47
What did what do you think dollars wise it's going to take to to do what you you see in this? Just I mean it's hard for you to 02:51:54
tell because you haven't opened up walls. I get it but. 02:51:58
You know, half a million, quarter million. 02:52:05
Chairman Board, it's just like you mentioned, it is very. 02:52:10
Rough to be able to say even a rough. 02:52:15
Order of magnitude cost. 02:52:18
Um, so I'm very reluctant to give any cost with that without some type of assessment. 02:52:21
But when I can tell you is from a maintenance standpoint, I don't think it would be significant. However, when you start talking 02:52:26
about doing any kind of renovation. 02:52:31
Whether it's a kitchen or some of the other operational space for the gel. 02:52:36
Um. 02:52:40
There's gonna be. 02:52:41
Costs associated with that but. 02:52:42
I can confidently say I don't think those renovations would be significant because we're not touching infrastructure or some of 02:52:45
the other things that where you you just naturally will run into challenges and higher costs. I guess the reason I asked that 02:52:52
question is OK, we buy another building and and let's take a few dollars more to to get it where you want it to be to. 02:52:59
Satisfy everyone. 02:53:07
And then we turn around and we go in here to fix the kitchen or we get to go in here to fix this or that or another thing. 02:53:09
Pretty soon we got a chunk of change into both those buildings. 02:53:16
That's kind of the balance where I'm I'm, I'm trying to. 02:53:20
Look at I guess Chairman Board. 02:53:23
That's a very good point and that's something that we're considering part of our analysis if we choose a different pathway. 02:53:26
Naturally this will come underneath maintenance. 02:53:33
But. 02:53:36
Something to keep in mind is. 02:53:37
It's it's going to have a maintenance footprint regardless. 02:53:40
Now for sure, if we did an upgrade specifically to this facility. 02:53:43
Idea would give us a little bit of buy time for some of that maintenance. 02:53:47
Um, but it's. I don't think it's so much that we're getting rid of the maintenance, but print. 02:53:50
I think simply we're just. 02:53:55
Looking at the size of it. 02:53:57
Let me go ahead and see so the the way I interpret the current Sheriff's Office. 02:54:00
Is that it's overcrowded with the. 02:54:05
Sheriff's Department, it's completely at capacity or more. It's full. And yes, it needs paint needs for it. It needs that. But it 02:54:09
it's all offices. There's just an awful lot of offices already. 02:54:15
So I think what you're saying is from a maintenance point of view that may take something overtime is we need to come in retouch 02:54:22
the surfaces. 02:54:26
Umm. 02:54:30
Fixed doors, paint, reflow, or do something, but we're not gutting things out. 02:54:31
We're not changing structural issues, We're just. 02:54:37
Saying here's a whole bunch more offices we could use for something. Let's clean them up. 02:54:40
And the Sheriff's Department that is continuing to grow, and likely will over the next several decades. 02:54:46
Will need. 02:54:52
More than that space. 02:54:53
Anyway. 02:54:56
Is the way I see it. 02:54:58
We can fix it today for 2.2 million. 02:54:59
And outgrow it 10 years from now easily. And then what do we have? 02:55:02
A really expensive remodel. 02:55:08
And then another purchase. 02:55:10
So that's kind of my rationale. 02:55:12
Roger that. 02:55:15
OK mate, I guess I'll try me. 02:55:17
Umm. 02:55:20
I I guess. 02:55:22
From From Pace and are are they housing most of their prisoners here? 02:55:24
Or and that's just kind of an overnight deal until they transport them here? 02:55:29
Chairman, Supervisor Humphrey. 02:55:34
I can't go into specifics with their operation, but what I vaguely understand from that operation is yes, they hotel at that 02:55:37
location for a short period of time and then. 02:55:43
Transport, if need be, down into the global operation. 02:55:50
Ohh OK. 02:55:57
And and the reason being is because that jail is in pretty, pretty rough shape. 02:55:58
And and and security and and all this stuff. And there's no kitchen and all that kind of thing. 02:56:03
And and so we're spending a lot of money for more sheriff's offices and we're still going to transfer. 02:56:09
Transport prisoners. 02:56:13
Down here. 02:56:15
Or or offenders, I guess that's what we're looking at. 02:56:16
Umm. 02:56:20
Help. 02:56:23
OK. I I. 02:56:24
I guess, and if things are gonna grow and expand in the future, I guess we're gonna have to expand this jail down here if we're 02:56:26
going to be transporting more people down here from all the people working up there and all the office. 02:56:32
OK, Chairman, member, supervisors. I can't pull up my roster right now, but I do know that they utilize the facilities in Payson 02:56:39
and they also transport inmates back from Globe to Payson for court appearances there. 02:56:46
OK. I I'm I'm just thinking with if we're going to throw a bunch of money away on new buildings and remodeling offices and things 02:56:55
of that nature. 02:56:58
Some of our attention should go towards. 02:57:03
Housing and and what we're what we're doing with and for the offenders whom. 02:57:06
Which can cost. 02:57:14
That much in lawsuits. Real easy. 02:57:16
And so that just. 02:57:20
Just my two cents I. 02:57:22
I mean, I I've, I've, I've been up in that facility and yes it all, it all needs work. I I agree 100%. 02:57:24
But I'm I'm just wondering if if. 02:57:31
If we're if we're going to throw a lot of money at this. 02:57:35
Why aren't we doing some of it too? 02:57:38
To. 02:57:40
Make it a better facility. 02:57:41
For the the people that we're, we're for the offenders I guess. 02:57:43
As as well as staff. 02:57:48
Go ahead, Steve, the discussion all along has been. 02:57:51
That it's. 02:57:56
To touch the jail system. 02:57:57
Would be several $1,000,000 to upgrade just the jail system so it was never part of the remodel. 02:58:00
To begin with. 02:58:06
So I kind of envision. 02:58:08
The upgrade of the jail system as something. 02:58:10
Down the future, maybe a future board. 02:58:14
Ohh with future money. 02:58:16
In in a new location, yes. 02:58:19
But right now it's considered. 02:58:23
Really unaffordable to touch those jails at the moment. 02:58:26
That facility, even though they are outdated. 02:58:30
And the reason? It's more or less a hotel passed through. 02:58:33
And as what Jessica said, kind of a destination back and forth. 02:58:37
Is we just don't have enough detention officers? 02:58:41
To really keep everybody there. 02:58:44
So it processes them through. Move them down. 02:58:47
Roger that. Yeah, that's what I've been told. I'm just saying, James. Mr. Chairman. 02:58:50
There's a problem that's not going to be fixed, and it's probably. 02:58:56
There is only one solution. 02:59:01
Considering the finances in HeLa County. 02:59:04
And that is to establish an organize a jail district. 02:59:07
The earliest that we would even consider. 02:59:13
Organizing A geometric that has to be approved by the voters. 02:59:16
Well. 02:59:20
I take that back. The board supervisors can organize a jail district. 02:59:21
The voters would have to approve the tax, whatever that might be, for the jail district. 02:59:24
The earliest that would go to the voters is 2025. 02:59:30
2026 election. 02:59:34
And so we are looking. 02:59:37
At the absolute earliest that we can do anything for our gel because. 02:59:39
These jail cells up in and up in pace and. 02:59:44
Of. 02:59:47
Are not. 02:59:48
They're not really any difference than what we have here in Globe. 02:59:50
They are all in very poor condition. 02:59:54
And. 02:59:58
There, there is just not anything that we can do as far as. 03:00:00
Anything meaningful we just put over $1,000,000 to replace the roof here involving. 03:00:04
What did that get us? Another 10 years, I guess in in a new room. 03:00:11
For $1,000,000 but. 03:00:16
That is the only solution that there is long term is a is organizing. 03:00:19
And having the voters approve a jail district. 03:00:24
And heal accounting, what are those costs that we're looking at for a jail in Globe and in Payson to establish that? 03:00:27
Minimum of 25 to $30 million. 03:00:34
If you look at what construction costs. 03:00:38
$250,000 for $250 per square foot. 03:00:40
200 two 54 Our residential homes stick built that you're talking about Sir Humphrey. 03:00:44
$250 for stick belt. 03:00:49
A commercial business, $500 square foot. You can do two to four times that for a jail. 03:00:51
So 1000 to $2000 a square foot for a jail. 03:00:57
Is what it costs just astronomical because of the safety considerations, the hard hardening of the? 03:01:02
Of the building, you know and all that. 03:01:08
Just the door like this to We might spend 250 bucks fours, 1000 bucks in a gym. 03:01:11
Because of. 03:01:18
The all the considerations have to be so. 03:01:19
Ohh I'm long winded today but. 03:01:22
$30 million. 03:01:25
To do anything meaningful for the jail system in Healey County. 03:01:27
It's it is very costly. You know the bad thing of all that though in in our our constituents need to understand too is. 03:01:33
One lawsuit can eat up that much money. 03:01:41
I mean that's that's the balance and that's a hard balance to. 03:01:44
Hard one to choose, you know, to pick from, but but that's reality. That's reality. That's absolutely true. And we gotten. 03:01:47
We get lawsuits regularly. 03:01:55
Related to Joe. 03:01:57
Continue on, Doug. 03:01:59
Good discussion. 03:02:02
There were. We'll move on to the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat. 03:02:06
That is, the project is complete and turned out beautifully, I think, and I think we've got some good feedback on that. 03:02:12
The contractor did an amazing job with very compressed schedule on that. They really moved through it quickly. 03:02:22
Um. 03:02:29
This. 03:02:30
That was phase one that is complete. We're looking at additional work, but phase one is complete. They have been this last week 03:02:33
doing punchlist items just to finish out some details. 03:02:38
And they are scheduled for final inspection this week, so. 03:02:44
That's. 03:02:50
That's phase one. 03:02:51
And facilities would like to offer a big thank you to everyone involved in this project both on the county side and on the 03:02:53
contractor side. 03:02:57
I think there was a lot of great input and a lot of help along the way and turned out very well. 03:03:02
Well, I think the thing thing is, is you guys need a big thank you for pushing on it that hard. And all your people, they did a. 03:03:08
Awesome job on it and. 03:03:14
Yeah, it come out looking, it come out looking nice, so it's really nice. 03:03:17
Good. 03:03:22
Any questions or discussion on that one? 03:03:23
You know, it did really come out good. I'm just going to praise everybody involved. 03:03:26
The the soft opening we had, just it's amazing. 03:03:31
And I know whenever you have sort of a deadline, there's a crunch time and everyone has pulled together for that crunch and it's 03:03:35
never easy. 03:03:39
And but you guys are doing great. It's. 03:03:45
Occasionally I have people talk to me about this facility and sometimes I have to defend it. 03:03:50
Sometimes I don't, and I easily defend it. It's going to be one of. 03:03:57
Our nations greatest. 03:04:02
Veterans Retreat. 03:04:04
Does it serve a local person in town or village that wants to go for a cup of coffee? No, it's not intended to be that. 03:04:06
What it's intended to be. 03:04:15
It will serve. 03:04:17
Very. 03:04:18
Very much so, and I'm really excited to be behind it. 03:04:19
And that's supportive of it. 03:04:23
Great. Great. Thank you. 03:04:25
Right. 03:04:28
Michaelson Building. 03:04:32
Uh, let's see. We have, yeah, a little bit further. Yes, please. 03:04:35
And so just pictures of the. 03:04:39
That's great. They're going like this. 03:04:42
Thank you. 03:04:44
Uh, so let's see. Sun Valley Builders was a. 03:04:46
General contractor with the state contract that we were able to tie into. 03:04:53
For this and. 03:04:57
They've made good progress on the demo. 03:04:59
And the removal of the old roof, the picture, I think everybody's pretty much seen there. The roof is is all gone and they're. 03:05:02
Finishing up the demo and the cleanup afterwards. 03:05:10
Uh, the trusses have been delivered on site. 03:05:14
They haven't started hanging those yet. 03:05:18
Ohh. 03:05:20
The. 03:05:22
Traffic disruption has been real minimal. We haven't had any complaints. I don't know if anyone else has heard, but we haven't had 03:05:24
any complaints as far as traffic or restrictions down there. 03:05:29
They are going to be blocking the whole street off. 03:05:34
One day at a time, just when they're swinging trusses, so that'll be upcoming. But they've worked with the city of Globe on that 03:05:36
and we haven't had any complaints, no adjoining business complaints, so it's been good. 03:05:43
Ohh, let's see when the project continues to be on schedule. 03:05:51
Expected completion on that one is August 28th. 03:05:55
And that's coming up real quick, yeah. 03:06:00
Any questions, comments? 03:06:04
My only comment, I think that's an awesome project and a really good use for the building and I'm glad to see us being able to do 03:06:08
this and our partners helping us with it. 03:06:12
Now that's a huge plus. 03:06:16
You guys. 03:06:19
Yeah, I'm I'm glad to see it going. I'm glad it has that completion date because we are in the middle of monsoon. 03:06:20
And I know the roof was an extensive project and I do know that we have infrastructure inside. 03:06:27
And the more range that that infrastructure inside has to go through. 03:06:33
The more difficulty you'll become for the remodel, So I'm I'm glad to hear that they're gonna get right on hanging those stresses 03:06:38
and getting a roof on it. 03:06:43
Because I'm not sure about some of those old wood floors and stuff inside if they don't get it dried in for too long, but it it's 03:06:49
a good project, I think it'll help a lot of young businesses. 03:06:54
And things get started. So yeah, I I'm supportive of it. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 03:06:59
Thank you. 03:07:04
See Doug, do you know if you're doing an asphalt shingle or or it's built up roofing? It's a synthetic material built up roofing 03:07:05
foam below and then a synthetic. 03:07:10
Outer layer. 03:07:16
OK, so kind of a flat roof. 03:07:17
Right. Well, what you call a flat, I wouldn't call it that. It's it is a pitched roof and then it has the water roll drains. There 03:07:19
will be essentially crickets along the way to the back of the building. It's all drained off the back of the building into some 03:07:24
downspouts and. 03:07:29
OK. Thanks. 03:07:36
I guess we'll move to the fairgrounds thrift. 03:07:41
So that. 03:07:46
As everyone knows, that's a prefab building that's going in on an earthen pad. The building itself, manufacturer has a 03:07:49
prefabricated. 03:07:54
Concrete. 03:07:59
Pad or or sled, they'll sit on top of that. 03:08:00
So that earthen pad has been completed. 03:08:03
That the building was set on. 03:08:06
Septic system design and documentation is being finalized by an engineer. 03:08:08
That is under the general contractor. 03:08:14
That is not quite been submitted yet, but when it goes in, we're expecting about 3 weeks for approval. 03:08:17
On the septic system permit. 03:08:23
Apps. 03:08:27
Has been has produced an initial design for extension of primary line and a new transformer. 03:08:29
From the east side of the. 03:08:36
Arena and. 03:08:40
Grows there. 03:08:42
They're extending over to the West side and installing a new transformer there to be the power supply for this building. 03:08:43
That, uh, let's see. 03:08:50
Estimated completion of APS work is on October 30th. 03:08:53
The building is presently scheduled to be delivered. 03:08:57
And set. 03:09:00
The week of October 23rd. 03:09:02
And expect expected completion of the project is November 21st. 03:09:05
What's the date on our fare? 03:09:11
Third week of September hat. 03:09:14
That's what I was thinking. OK, yeah. 03:09:17
Ain't gonna make it this year, no. Yes, and unfortunately. 03:09:20
Alright, because we will move on to. 03:09:25
Question you You said they're going to extend. 03:09:29
Power from where to where? 03:09:32
Yeah, they're gonna bring a primary side off of that existing transformer on the east side, and they'll be on the east side over 03:09:34
by where the old concrete paddocks are. 03:09:39
No. 03:09:44
It's that's by where the two new arenas are down South there. 03:09:45
And on the east side of the the One Arena, there is a. 03:09:50
Transformer there. Ohh, OK yeah. And they're gonna tie into that same primary and bring it around to this side and set another 03:09:57
transformer that will be on the West side. 03:10:02
And the advantage to that is that there will be. 03:10:06
Further power available off of that transformer for future needs. Whatever gets put in out there in the future, but for now it's 03:10:11
just going to be feeding it 200 amp service on this new building. 03:10:17
OK, so are we still in a conflict with APS, with other electrical and usage of it and? 03:10:25
That kind of stuff. 03:10:32
Chairman, Supervisor Humphrey. 03:10:34
We still have challenges, but over the past couple of weeks I'd like to say. 03:10:39
Any challenges we did have have been resolved and we have solutions moving forward. 03:10:44
OK. Thank you. 03:10:48
James Summers, chairman of. 03:10:51
Sure, Humphrey, that we had intended. 03:10:53
Electricals biggest problem that we have out there and being able to. 03:10:57
Do any work, real meaningful work, without having a plan of what our electrical is And so we've been having a. 03:11:02
Analysis performed of the electrical for the facility and. 03:11:09
Maybe since we're talking about that and the electrical for this. 03:11:13
As there, can we get an update of? 03:11:16
We're at an electrical win. 03:11:19
It's estimated that we will have a report to tell us what the status of electrical is and. 03:11:21
Or we can expect certain bring some of the board of. 03:11:27
We need to invest in the electrical fairgrounds. 03:11:29
Just can we get a little bit? 03:11:33
Information about that. 03:11:35
Chairman Thank you, Mr. Midler. 03:11:40
Uh, so as far as the electrical assessment the 1st. 03:11:42
Step in that is to. 03:11:47
Evaluate and assess what we currently have. 03:11:49
And we're on the tail end of that. We did our internal assessment once we got it back and working with some of the architects and 03:11:52
engineers. 03:11:56
So hopefully over the next couple of weeks we'll be able to. 03:12:00
I show the admin admin team. 03:12:03
And then at that point, hopefully we have something that we can bring forward as far as something that's actionable. 03:12:05
And what we're looking at essentially is trying to identify what critical infrastructure, particularly the electrical that is. 03:12:10
At an age or a condition. 03:12:19
That requires us to. 03:12:21
Either replace or repair it. 03:12:23
And the next phase that we'll be looking at is going to be. 03:12:26
The long term plan. 03:12:30
And that long term plan will then help us decide. 03:12:32
What we're looking at for infrastructure expansion. 03:12:36
So without diving too far in the weeds, I I hope that was helpful. 03:12:40
Hmm. 03:12:45
Ohh I want to hit on the scale house also. 03:12:54
We're done with that one. 03:12:56
Ohh. 03:12:59
The new scale house has been set in position, you can see on the slide there. 03:13:00
The it's been set on the footings at that location. 03:13:06
That project was also waiting for a. 03:13:10
Arizona Department of Environmental Quality permit. 03:13:13
And that was just issued I think in the last week. 03:13:17
Uh. 03:13:21
And so the building permit is in place with the septic permit. 03:13:22
And. 03:13:28
With that from that being issued, they are currently doing the inside build out of the scale house. 03:13:29
With drywall going in this week. 03:13:36
Good deal. Yeah. 03:13:39
So. 03:13:41
I think that's all I have on that questions. 03:13:43
You don't have any other projects. 03:13:46
We need to get busy here. 03:13:48
But Joseph? 03:13:51
Supervisor Humphrey Gang questions or comments the When will this scale house go into use? 03:13:56
You know, we've got a tentative date of August 15th. 03:14:02
On it. We're hoping that may go a little quicker. You want to add anything, Joseph? 03:14:06
Yes, Chairman, Supervisor Humphrey. 03:14:11
That's when facilities will have our portion of it complete. It'll be up to Public Works and Homer's team. 03:14:15
As far as it becoming operational or when they intend to. 03:14:21
Start utilizing it. 03:14:26
OK. Yeah, that's middle of August. 03:14:29
Yeah. 03:14:33
Everything I have. 03:14:38
Anything else? 03:14:40
Good job, Dub. 03:14:41
Thank you. Good projects too you guys. Really good projects. 03:14:43
Are you good? Supervisor Christensen? Thank you. 03:14:48
OK. Well, with that, we'll continue on. Thanks you guys. Thanks. 03:14:51
All right. Call the public. Do we have anybody in Payson? 03:14:55
No, Sir. 03:15:00
And how we doing on YouTube, Jessie? 03:15:02
20. 03:15:06
Good. 03:15:07
And we don't have anyone here for call the public, So we'll start with updates #5. 03:15:07