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1. CALL TO ORDER - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE   2. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS:
A. Information/Discussion regarding the Gila County Industrial Development Authority’s mission, vision, and future projects. (Mac Feezor)
B. Information/Discussion regarding post-fire flood mitigation projects funded through HB 2001. (Carl Melford/Carol Ptak/Jane Hale)
C. Information/Discussion regarding a partnership initiative and options for removing dilapidated RVs, vehicles, and travel trailers from the forest. (David LaForge/Cole LeBonte)
D. Information/Discussion regarding the Federal Program Progress Report. (Maryn Belling)
3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC:  A call to the public is held for public benefit to allow individuals to address the Board of Supervisors on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Board members may not discuss items that are not specifically identified on the agenda. Therefore, pursuant to Arizona Revised Statute § 38-431.01(H), at the conclusion of an open call to the public, individual members of the Board of Supervisors may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Board, may ask staff to review a matter or may ask that a matter be put on a future agenda for further discussion and decision at a future date.
4. At any time during this meeting pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.02(K), members of the Board of Supervisors and the County Manager may present a brief summary of current events.  No action may be taken on the information presented.   5. EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS:
A. Information/Discussion/Action to vote to go into executive session pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.03(A)(3) for discussion and consultation for legal advice regarding an Intergovernmental Agreement with the Gila County Provisional Community College District and for the Board to provide direction to the attorney(s). (Jessica Scibelli)   IF SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS ARE NEEDED, PLEASE CONTACT THE RECEPTIONIST AT (928) 425-3231 AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO ARRANGE THE ACCOMMODATIONS. FOR TTY, PLEASE DIAL 7-1-1 TO REACH THE ARIZONA RELAY SERVICE AND ASK THE OPERATOR TO CONNECT YOU TO (928) 425-3231. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE BOARD’S ATTORNEY ON ANY MATTER LISTED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3). THE ORDER OR DELETION OF ANY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA IS SUBJECT TO MODIFICATION AT THE MEETING.
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Alright, weather looks good and Payson beautiful day. 00:01:02
Excellent. Ohh, go ahead and call meeting to order. 00:01:07
Choose the. 00:01:12
August 29th and it's a little after 10:00. And sheriff, you you want to lead us in the pledge? 00:01:14
He turned. 00:01:19
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:24
And generate Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:29
Thanks, Jeff. 00:01:38
So today's meeting is a work session, which I for one really, really like because we can kind of kick back and talk about stuff, 00:01:43
ask questions. And so hopefully we'll have some really good discussions today. 00:01:49
So we'll kick it off with 2A under regular agenda items and that is information discussion. 00:01:56
Regarding the Healer County Industrial Development Authority's mission, vision and future projects. And we have Mac. 00:02:03
You're presenting, I guess, this morning or Cliff, which one? 00:02:10
Both of you. 00:02:14
OK. 00:02:17
OK, come on up to the podium there and. 00:02:19
Well, we'll talk about the industrial. 00:02:23
Development. 00:02:26
Alright ohh. 00:02:32
What we had was just basically a report the last time that we directly reported to this. 00:02:35
Board of Supervisors. 00:02:40
Was two years ago. 00:02:42
Almost. 00:02:43
And so since then, there's been significant reorganization of the board. 00:02:44
You need that right into the record as to who we have or absolutely OK all. 00:02:49
Max fees or. 00:02:55
President. 00:02:56
So heavily, Vice President Bob Pastor, who is, I think I tell you, telephonically. 00:02:57
Is our treasurer secretary. 00:03:03
Plus parts his member. 00:03:06
Tim Greer Member. 00:03:09
You're on McLaren member? 00:03:11
Joe Wilson. 00:03:13
Member. 00:03:15
Jeanette Herrera. 00:03:16
Member shall be Borrowdale member and. 00:03:17
We've just selected a new executive director who is going to be a full time staffer. 00:03:20
And that's, uh, Lexi Mossy. 00:03:25
OK, uh, she's replacing Sandy Palmer. 00:03:28
Umm. 00:03:32
And the first thing I want to say is thank you for getting us back up to full strength because. 00:03:34
Getting a quorum and and meeting and doing business has been. 00:03:38
Difficult because we all have other jobs. 00:03:41
And getting the quorum together has been. 00:03:44
Challenging, to say the least. 00:03:47
This new board first met in December of 2022. 00:03:49
And since then, we've met. 00:03:54
Five times. 00:03:55
Of mainly to. 00:03:56
Introduce each other ourselves to each other and. 00:03:59
To go over the history of what we have been doing. 00:04:03
And what we want to do in April? 00:04:06
We had an all day meeting down in Paddle Basin where we got together face to face. 00:04:09
And kind of did an analysis of the projects that we've had, what worked, what didn't work. 00:04:13
What strengths we saw, what weaknesses we saw, opportunities and. 00:04:20
Threats with those opportunities that we tried to. 00:04:24
Make assignments on that. 00:04:27
With the current board, we have strengths, real good strengths in real estate. 00:04:30
Contracting, insurance, project management and technology. 00:04:34
So pretty good understanding of that. 00:04:38
And these ideas. 00:04:40
Cover a lot of what can be done in Healing County. 00:04:44
You're. 00:04:48
I don't know if everybody's familiar with the term limiting factor, but. 00:04:50
It's that which is necessary for growth that is in the shortest supplies but limits your your growth. 00:04:54
And for a plant that might be water or soil conditions or sunlight. 00:04:59
In our conditions. 00:05:05
It's infrastructure technology such as. 00:05:07
Up in northern Heeler County, we were really limited. 00:05:11
For years with a shortage of broadband. 00:05:15
It went out. It was located ability that we've worked long and hard on that. 00:05:20
And that was actually one of the. 00:05:25
Projects that the idea undertook. 00:05:28
Was to. 00:05:31
Help with their Broadband Consortium to bring. 00:05:33
Additional sources of broadband. 00:05:37
Into the area. 00:05:40
Which was successful with Sparklight, and now we have others. 00:05:42
Come again? We're still supporting. 00:05:46
That effort, but now through a more localized. 00:05:49
Channel called Digital Pace and Working Group. 00:05:52
Which also extends through. 00:05:56
The entire northern area. 00:05:59
And we're touching on stuff that goes down as far as. 00:06:01
The Tunnel Basin and Young. 00:06:05
Not so much down in the South here. 00:06:09
That we are available. 00:06:11
The. 00:06:12
Um, he rates program. 00:06:13
Kind of. 00:06:16
Fed off of that and we were part of that and happy to do so. 00:06:17
Weaknesses. 00:06:23
That we really saw was the lack of a full time staffer to keep track of things and keep things moving. 00:06:25
Which we have addressed. 00:06:30
We went out and advertised for what we needed. 00:06:32
And received. 00:06:36
4. 00:06:38
Applicants and we had a subcommittee interview. 00:06:39
And we approved Lexie and. 00:06:42
This last meeting we unanimously. 00:06:45
Agreed to employ her. 00:06:47
And she will be a. 00:06:49
Not an employee, excuse me, not employed, but a contractor. 00:06:51
So that we don't have to deal with all the employee issues. 00:06:56
Sandy was an employee and that goes tangled up with some of the tax stuff. So we're avoiding that this time around. So Medicare, I 00:07:00
mean, I'm gonna do something a little different in this work session. So if either one of you have questions as we're going along 00:07:03
through here. 00:07:07
For Mac or whoever's president representing. 00:07:12
Ask him. 00:07:14
It's. 00:07:15
The thing I like about work sessions is, is we're not as formal as we are on a normal meeting. So that's that's the beauty of 00:07:16
this. 00:07:20
So I do have a question for as far as LEXIS is concerned, where's her office or where is your office going to be? 00:07:23
That is to be determined right now. She will. 00:07:31
Set up her office down here somewhere. 00:07:34
Probably working out of her house, which is OK we do not have. 00:07:37
A permanent office. 00:07:41
There is is no location. It was previously in Fred Barcones construction office, right. We've pulled all the records out of there 00:07:44
right now. 00:07:48
All of the records and stuff that we are in Payson. 00:07:52
We've got a project going on to digitize all of that stuff so that it's searchable. 00:07:56
We pulled twenty boxes. 00:08:01
The banker boxes. 00:08:03
Of paper files. 00:08:05
Good. We're we're digitizing all of that stuff. Good. Making it searchable. 00:08:07
Yeah. 00:08:10
Course, so she's welcome to. 00:08:12
Located up there, but I think she lives down here and would prefer not to have to travel up the basin. I'm just curious if you 00:08:15
guys were gonna actually have a physical office or just, you know, work from home. A lot of people working from home these days 00:08:21
because of the Internet. I believe it'll be virtual until such time as we need. 00:08:26
A business office. We just didn't see the expense. 00:08:32
Being worth it, Sure. 00:08:35
We're willing to take suggestions on that if that's something we need. 00:08:39
Mr. Chairman. 00:08:42
Yeah. 00:08:43
I believe that the hope or the anticipation is, is that the Michelson building downtown. 00:08:45
Once that's remodeled is that's the perfect spot, it's. 00:08:50
That facility that this county owned. 00:08:52
Will be used for. 00:08:55
Entrepreneurs or small businesses to strengthen support of the Small Business Administration. 00:08:58
Tends to have an office in there city, globe and and. 00:09:04
Resolution and. 00:09:08
Others that will be. 00:09:09
Housing just single offices in that location with the intent of supporting strengthening. 00:09:12
And given to the local economy, to local businesses, so. 00:09:19
Industrial Development Authority would have a natural fit there and in speaking to. 00:09:23
Putting that together, there's a. 00:09:29
To be a spot. 00:09:32
Reserve for an Industrial development ordinance. Of course, that may be another. 00:09:33
6-9 months before that is completely remodeled. 00:09:38
I I haven't gone by to see the roof, but the roof was being put on and. 00:09:41
That should be honor in place now. 00:09:46
So we're making progress and. 00:09:48
We working with City Golf for that remodel. 00:09:51
Ohh, good, good deal. But that hope and the intent. 00:09:54
Yeah. Which Chairman, can I also ask you if Mac Affleck, Lexie was here, could you? 00:09:58
It's morning. 00:10:05
The new executive Director of the. 00:10:07
Congratulations. Yeah. 00:10:11
I think. 00:10:12
Yeah. 00:10:13
That's yet to be determined, she she's enthusiastic, though. 00:10:14
So. 00:10:18
Go ahead, Tim, question it. It. 00:10:19
Is is Lexi in charge of doing it? 00:10:21
Ohh, digitizing of those records? No, Right now they're in the Berkshire Hathaway. 00:10:23
Home Services. Advantage Realty. That's the full title office. 00:10:31
In patient. 00:10:34
And Tori Martinez. 00:10:36
Has been contracted to do that. 00:10:38
She's our office admin. We we didn't have Lexie on board yet. OK, but should Lexie kind of oversee what she thinks needs to be on 00:10:40
record or not? I mean cause those records go back a long time and I don't know that all of it would be necessary to. 00:10:47
Have available with it the way that the way the boxes were put together, everything is mixed. We're taking everything. 00:10:54
And when it's done, we'll index everything where it's searchable. 00:11:00
How do you feel about that, Lexie? 00:11:05
For my understand. 00:11:07
Would you mind coming up so that they can get you on the record? Like I said, this is open so. 00:11:09
And and anybody's got any questions please? 00:11:14
And I have attended one board meeting where they did vote me in. My name is Lexi Nosey, for those that may not have heard. 00:11:17
From my understanding, the person they're contracting with is digitizing everything as far as who is going to. 00:11:26
Sorted and and all that as far as that has. I don't have the answer to that, Mister. OK? 00:11:35
Ohk OK so I. 00:11:42
I I think she ought to be a part of that, certainly. 00:11:46
OK. 00:11:50
Yeah, other than. 00:11:51
You know. 00:11:52
Just like everything, maybe she could be helpful on what might help her be able to go forward. 00:11:53
We started this project knowing what equipment that Tori had available to her. 00:12:00
And the capabilities and we didn't know that Lexi would be in this position that she's in right now, OK. So we're already engaged 00:12:05
in this. 00:12:09
OK. 00:12:13
OK. 00:12:15
And and so. 00:12:15
OK. Yeah. So and and in a meeting you can. 00:12:17
Discuss it further now that you. 00:12:20
Have like the available words before you didn't. 00:12:22
That she can maybe play a bigger part in this and and maybe the board can see where where they want to go and what they want. 00:12:25
Um. 00:12:33
With the old files going forward. 00:12:35
So yeah. 00:12:39
So Mac, I got another question for you I guess but. 00:12:41
If, if you don't. 00:12:45
How often do you have somebody that just would walk into an office to talk to like Lexi on? 00:12:47
Project or something like that? Or is that always been dealt through? 00:12:53
You know, appointments or whatever. 00:12:56
Previously, Sandy dealt with all of that and she's the one that put the files together. 00:13:00
Over at Fred's office, like, say when they were retrieved from Fred's office. 00:13:06
Umm. 00:13:10
The folks that went over there did that, just put everything in boxes and brought it over. 00:13:12
So we're going box by box, OK? If we wanted to search out a particular project and all the history would have to go through twenty 00:13:16
boxes, right? 00:13:20
So but but what I was kind of getting at is not if you don't have a physical office space. 00:13:25
I mean, how often would it be somebody calls up Lexie and wants to walk in and talk about a project or a bonding issue or 00:13:32
something like that? I mean, how often do you get the off the street? 00:13:38
Visitors for IDEA in the past. 00:13:44
Of. 00:13:47
Not very often that I am aware of. It has typically been. 00:13:48
They would contact us through the. 00:13:52
The website, there's e-mail and and phone on the the website and say we're interested in this. 00:13:56
One of the. 00:14:02
Cross functional things that we did with the Discovery HeLa County. 00:14:04
Is there's, you know, jobs, board real estate. 00:14:07
And there is a link, said Ohh. If you if you came and visited and you want to start a business here, here's the idea and we have a 00:14:10
page. 00:14:14
On the discovery, Healer County. 00:14:19
And if you ask any further information, it takes you to the Ida. 00:14:21
Website. 00:14:24
And they can contact us through there. 00:14:26
And we've received a couple of e-mail inquiries which we have answered. 00:14:29
Through that good. And so the. 00:14:33
We had we had to peel everything off of what had been going to an old. 00:14:37
Laptop. 00:14:42
And and to basically to something that Sandy controlled. 00:14:44
And we moved it to a new. 00:14:48
The website. 00:14:51
New e-mail address. 00:14:52
Everything is switched over. Not that we have any complaints about Sandy doing something, but we just didn't want the accusation. 00:14:54
To be there that ohh she's peeking in it. 00:15:03
Because she then works at a company that does consulting. 00:15:05
For some of the projects that we do. 00:15:08
And we just didn't want her in that position. Sure. 00:15:10
Yeah. 00:15:14
Just one more. And how about how long do you think it'll take you to digitize those boxes? 00:15:16
We've been on it for a couple of. 00:15:24
Weeks now and understand this is not her full time job. She's doing this. 00:15:27
In between things, but we've got about 3 out of 20 done so far. 00:15:31
And I'm going to start indexing these. She just cut me a copy of the database. I'm going to start in to escalate on that and make 00:15:35
sure that we can. 00:15:38
Go through recovery bit as much as possible. We're also doing OCR which is Optical Character Recognition. 00:15:42
So that if the title of the project doesn't isn't sufficient. 00:15:48
But we're looking for someones name. 00:15:53
In it. 00:15:55
That we'll have, That your records that you keep here are all digitized and searchable in that fashion. 00:15:56
And we want to remove. 00:16:03
Or want to move ourselves to the same level of professionalism? 00:16:05
HeLa County. 00:16:09
And here's before that has not been possible. 00:16:10
OK, Mr. Chair, I'm done. Thank you, mate. 00:16:14
Once you put your presentation that we'll have more questions unless you that was kind of where you're at or? 00:16:17
Well, we were just going to talk about the things that were going on of must do in the digitizing, which has been addressed. 00:16:23
And the other is. 00:16:29
You know, we already talked about the Broadband Consortium. 00:16:31
And the fact that tourism is a big thing and we've already brought up Discovery Health County. 00:16:34
So that that was something that. 00:16:40
The Industrial Development Authority. 00:16:44
Got some grants to do some. 00:16:46
Publications. 00:16:48
Printed publications that covered. 00:16:49
Pamphlets. 00:16:51
That were distributed to cover tourism in the South. 00:16:52
And then the follow up to that was a second round of publications to include some from further north. 00:16:55
And it came with a component that we needed to do a website. 00:17:01
They got you need to do digital. 00:17:05
And when we examined that, we said this is something that can't be grant funded and started and stopped, started and stopped. 00:17:07
It's something that requires A continuous stream. 00:17:14
And so we put together a. 00:17:18
Committee. 00:17:20
And went up for request for quotes from our proposals from. 00:17:21
Various lenders. We had four that showed up one set off. I'm competing. I'm, I'm not doing it. 00:17:26
And the other three came in there. 00:17:31
The winner, obviously, was raised within media. 00:17:33
And they came and made a presentation to. 00:17:36
Mr. Manilov and Jackie Sanders. 00:17:41
About what we needed and it was decided that. 00:17:44
It was worthy of presenting to the board for request for funding. 00:17:48
You know what you've got now is 8. 00:17:53
It's a modern major awards in the. 00:17:55
Four or five years that you've been in operation and. 00:17:58
Tremendous amounts of traffic and. 00:18:01
And growth. 00:18:02
But it was spun off from the idea because that's a full time job. 00:18:04
We we are a conduit. We get things started, we get it running, but we're not the ones to. 00:18:10
To run the entire effort. 00:18:15
It is being. 00:18:17
Developed, maintained. 00:18:19
Enhanced. 00:18:21
And constantly updated by. 00:18:23
Razor thin media, right? 00:18:25
And they're they're doing a bang up job. 00:18:28
They are and. 00:18:30
So. 00:18:32
You know, with the website and everything that's been happening in the past behind us, what do we got? 00:18:33
That we're looking out for the future. How are you guys going to go about? 00:18:38
Getting some projects going in the future, that's actually going to be. 00:18:43
One of the tasks that we're setting for Lexi. 00:18:47
Yeah, we want to look for some grants. We we have been talking with Michael O'Driscoll. 00:18:50
On a project in the tri-cities area. 00:18:55
Where they're doing some updates on the facilities there from the housing. 00:18:59
For when they finished the. 00:19:03
The price City Regional Sanitary District. 00:19:06
Of people being able to upgrade to that, that's. 00:19:09
Then discussed we've had. 00:19:13
A couple of meetings and discussions with that and it's on hold while we're waiting for. 00:19:15
The. 00:19:20
Funding. 00:19:21
For that one to come through. 00:19:22
But that's on our table. We're looking for things that we can do. 00:19:23
Where we can leverage the experience we have with the board and. 00:19:27
Projects low income housing. 00:19:31
When we talk about those limiting factors. 00:19:34
If you have. 00:19:37
Jobs available, but nobody to fill the jobs. You can't make progress. 00:19:40
If you have people are coming in when I first moved to page. 00:19:44
One of the big contingents there was. 00:19:48
Uh. 00:19:51
Getting people a place to live. 00:19:52
Who were coming there to work that weren't retirees with independent resources. 00:19:54
If they're going to live there and go to school there. 00:19:59
You have to have these resources for them. 00:20:02
And we're looking at. 00:20:05
How to do that? 00:20:07
And that will be one of the projects we want to focus on. 00:20:08
So low income housing is a big issue. 00:20:13
Yeah, yeah, North and South, North and South, it doesn't matter countrywide. Yes, having a place to live is a big issue. The what 00:20:16
we were used to in the past as far as like rental availabilities are no longer out there because of the short term rental housing. 00:20:23
Bush. 00:20:31
Trust me so as as a realtor. 00:20:32
And I have somebody call and say I'm looking for a place to rent. 00:20:34
I wish them well. Yeah, exactly. We deal with property management companies and we tell them that. 00:20:37
Get on the list. 00:20:42
Yeah, you're you're gonna wait for somebody to. 00:20:43
Move out or move up or a new property to come online because everything. 00:20:47
And patient. 00:20:52
Area where I work, everything. 00:20:53
Is not. 00:20:56
Had something said I I've got a job there. I just need a place to stay. 00:20:57
I had to tell him I I don't see it. We helped him look for a week. Umm, he and his family looked. They could not find a spot. 00:21:01
Right. 00:21:08
And so, Lexi, you want to answer some more questions. 00:21:08
It'll be easy for you. 00:21:14
OK. 00:21:15
I will do my best. So you grew up around here? I did. So what can we do to Round Globe in the southern part of Utah County? 00:21:16
Umm, as far as I I've been fortunate enough to work in my past position through it was called EC in the northern and Southern. 00:21:24
Areas of HeLa County, including. 00:21:32
Peace and Globe, Miami San Carlos. 00:21:35
And. 00:21:38
Hayden Winkleman I'm a parent. I have. 00:21:39
Has three children who are in school. One just graduated or two? Well, I have two now that have graduated. 00:21:43
And I see as a parent, I see there's not enough opportunity for youth in any of our areas as far as what to do. I appreciate the 00:21:49
pool and we know that has limited hours and now that you know even the lifeguards are back in school, things like that. Obviously 00:21:54
as we drive around, we see a lot of. 00:22:00
Vacant buildings, areas that you know we would love to bring businesses into and hopefully we can find people that are wanting to 00:22:07
come in but just giving them the opportunity and helping them. 00:22:14
You know, down the line to get to that spot, I know a lot of times it's our buildings are dilapidated. 00:22:22
And they have a lot of work to do. 00:22:28
Getting the grant, the funding, the the bonds together so that it hopefully makes it a little bit easier for them to get in here. 00:22:30
And housing is a huge issue. 00:22:37
For everybody I. 00:22:39
You know, same thing we. 00:22:41
My past position we would bring in healthcare workers. 00:22:43
I'm on a short term basis from weeks to months and housing was a huge issue with them as well. 00:22:47
So. 00:22:53
Umm. And I also see the healthcare need. You know, we. 00:22:54
We want our. 00:22:57
Homegrown kids who grow up, go get their education and come back here. 00:22:59
So whether it's you know, northern or southern Henry County, so. 00:23:04
We have a lot of work to do. I'm looking forward, this is my first. 00:23:08
I would say official meeting as the Executive Director. So I haven't been able to meet yet with all of our board members and then. 00:23:11
Just to discuss for me it's to discuss with them what may be lingering projects or things that have been left because I know this 00:23:21
position has been open for about a year and a half. And so we have a lot of catching up to do kind of see where we're at and what 00:23:28
what our most important projects are going forward in the in the near future and then looking more at long term. 00:23:35
So. 00:23:42
So Lexi obviously and some projects you'll be working to some extent with us, but also there's the town councils, basin and globe. 00:23:44
And you even have Hayden and Winkleman as well, Superior included. And so. 00:23:52
I guess I I would assume that you're going to be making the rounds and talking to these council members and attending the council. 00:24:00
Meetings and stuff like that to see what? 00:24:06
Hopefully they have some goals to to maybe bring in some businesses and things like that. You know, I look at Globe and. 00:24:09
I was born here and been around here all my life, but Globe seems to just be setting here and the elevation is perfect and we have 00:24:16
a lot of people coming through. 00:24:20
But it doesn't seem like we have much as far as. 00:24:25
Business wise, I mean, we have less now than we did when I was a kid. Downtown Globe is really active when I was a kid. 00:24:29
A lot of that has to do with the and order everything in the world on Internet. Now I get it, but. 00:24:35
But there'd be there'd be nice to see some businesses you know like maybe a Home Depot or whatever it is that would Booker coming 00:24:41
in here. So these are things I I guess that you're going to be. 00:24:46
Kind of exploring that, right? 00:24:51
Absolutely. And with the help of the board and you know, the astronomical amount of knowledge that they have coming from their 00:24:54
professions, I I look forward to where we can tap into who, who they know that can help us get. 00:25:01
You know, going on these things, but also you know. 00:25:10
We see a huge difference with Southern Heela County and the businesses that come in here versus Northern Heela County and they're 00:25:14
they're the bigger businesses like the Home Depot for example. So maybe trying to understand or fill that gap as to why it works 00:25:20
there versus here what what we can do different here. 00:25:26
Just looking forward to how. 00:25:32
How how to work with? 00:25:36
People to find the gaps that we're missing and to fill those somehow I I don't see that being a short term project. Obviously it's 00:25:39
something you know that is is ongoing and it's something that we are going to need a lot of help with and through with HeLa 00:25:44
County, with the the cities and towns. 00:25:50
And but I do believe they have a lot of knowledge of what they're missing in their in their you know vicinity and and maybe seeing 00:25:55
where the ID A and the county can fill in those voids. So we definitely want to look towards what. 00:26:02
At. 00:26:09
What we can bring in and how we can sustain it for long term cool. 00:26:09
Tim, Steve. 00:26:15
Ohh I. 00:26:19
I've got a whole bunch of stuff. Ohh wait ohh wait. Never gonna get through the presentation. But you know, I yeah the, the. 00:26:21
The low income housing was brought up. 00:26:29
And then work. No place for people who work. There's a big difference between affordable living. 00:26:33
And low income housing. We have a lot of low income housing, but if you have a job you can't live there. So we need to look for. 00:26:40
Affordable living, not low income. We've we've got city clubs, but not a whole bunch of more low income. We we we need to be able 00:26:49
to have people. 00:26:54
That have a job. 00:26:59
A place to live. 00:27:00
Anyway, that's that's OK I that was just the statement you don't have to answer. But anyway I'm I'm done for now. Thank you. 00:27:02
So I can give a good example of like workers not being able to find a place to live and I was talking to the district Ranger and 00:27:10
pacing. 00:27:13
You know patients, tough property prices are high, as you all well know, and and rentals aren't available. He's got like 15 00:27:17
firefighters. 00:27:21
Camped out at Indian Gardens and Coles Ranch because they cannot find a place to live and pacing. 00:27:26
And. 00:27:31
And kind of amazes me sometimes until you really dive into and look at the. 00:27:32
Short term rental stuff. 00:27:36
The other the other issue that I have or that I don't have but I get thrown at me constantly is when you talk about low income 00:27:39
housing. 00:27:43
First thing I get from people in a lot of my my meetings is not my back. 00:27:47
And that makes it tough. 00:27:52
Makes it very tough. 00:27:54
I don't know that that's, you know. 00:27:55
Correct them to. 00:27:58
Vision that that way, but that's what I get. 00:27:59
And so I see big challenges there. 00:28:02
And I and I kind of wonder at things you know and and I'd like to see more businesses move into this southern part and and be 00:28:05
established here. 00:28:09
But everywhere I look there's help, wanted signs, people looking for people to work and there's nobody wants to work. So that's 00:28:15
the other side of that too. And and so I think you're gonna have a real challenging job, interesting job, real challenge. Yeah. 00:28:21
So. 00:28:28
That was one of the reasons that the Discover Hula County Jobs Board let's put together during the pandemic. 00:28:30
People were getting halftime and quarter time jobs and they put that in there so that they could. 00:28:36
Stack up some of these jobs and fill it. Mm-hmm. There's actually a member of our board at the time that wanted that. 00:28:42
She ran a. 00:28:47
Restaurant. 00:28:49
Bar and said I can't get people to come back to work. 00:28:50
Or if I get them, I I can only employ them just as much and so we put that job sharing board. 00:28:55
On there it's it's fairly well used right poster. 00:29:00
That's. 00:29:03
Have we found her? So are you up for more questions or you want to dive back? OK? 00:29:04
Explain to everybody your bonding. 00:29:09
The way you bond projects and and lend money or whatever you do, because there's a lot of people on YouTube right now that are 00:29:12
listening that doesn't understand, understand. Before you do that, I will throw one more thing out there as as three supervisors 00:29:17
for those of you that don't know. 00:29:22
Each one of us have members on this idea board that we appoint individually. 00:29:28
And that's the way the board is made-up and I'm really proud of all the members that are on there. You got good teams sitting 00:29:33
there and. 00:29:36
I'm pretty excited about that, but go ahead and explain some of those processes if you would please. For the general theory, I can 00:29:40
tell you, but for actual experience having done it, I'd like to talk with up here. 00:29:45
He is our. 00:29:51
What do you call it? Historical artifact? 00:29:53
As as the longest serving member of the Board. 00:29:56
Alright, so just have to. 00:30:02
And of course I'm at Max comments and I appreciate your comments as to I was appointed reappointed just recently by Supervisor 00:30:04
Christensen and. 00:30:08
And it's an honor for me to serve on the board. I think I've served on it since about 2011. 00:30:13
Served with the supervisor, Humphrey, on this board and appreciate the experience that you brought to it and what we've been able 00:30:19
to accomplish. I know we're. 00:30:24
Talking about bonding and we were. 00:30:28
Our board was established in 1972. 00:30:32
Under. 00:30:35
Relatively new federal legislation at the time that allowed the. 00:30:36
Development of industrial. 00:30:40
Authorities and we're here to support the economic development organization and the community and. 00:30:42
We. 00:30:50
We have our treasure, our funding. 00:30:52
Comes from issuing bonds and that when you issue a multi $1,000,000 bond there's a little bit of a premium that is charged by the 00:30:55
Industrial Development Authority for their role in usually being a conduit of between the bond buyers. 00:31:04
No. 00:31:14
And we issue the bonds, but the responsibility or the payment comes from the applicant, the developer, whether it's the industry, 00:31:15
whether it's the housing developer. 00:31:20
Or the revenue that's produced by the project that anticipated from the bonding? 00:31:26
And the nice thing about that is that the local governments. 00:31:33
Are not responsible for the payment of the bonds, and it you're specifically released by statute. 00:31:38
So our primary role is to be a conduit, that's where our existing treasuries come from, is an ASARCO bond for many years back of 00:31:47
over $50 million. 00:31:52
And that's the funding that we're using to operate and. 00:31:56
While we were able to get Lexie on board with us and we. 00:32:02
As pointed out, we've been without a director for a year and a half and. 00:32:07
That's really allowed some of the projects that we have in the pipeline to drop. I appreciate your comment about the downtown 00:32:11
globe we have been. 00:32:16
Diligently involved in the brownfields projects with the USDA. 00:32:20
David grants there to quantify, analyze and hopefully remediate some of the issues with prior. 00:32:26
Of service stations and things of that nature that left behind. 00:32:36
Uh. 00:32:40
There is need to be cleaned up. 00:32:41
And to. 00:32:43
Just to skip over to the affordable housing issue, it is critical. 00:32:47
We do have a role that we can play there and on on bonding. 00:32:51
And that we have the capacity or the ability to issue. 00:32:56
Both single Family Housing Bonds as well as. 00:33:01
The multi. 00:33:07
Family housing, you know, we do recognize the difference between. 00:33:08
Low income housing and workforce housing. 00:33:12
And workforce housing is just absolutely critical and I appreciate your comments Supervisor Humphrey that people that. 00:33:16
That are. 00:33:23
And the low income strata. 00:33:24
They're almost trapped there because if they work. 00:33:26
They lose their. 00:33:31
Health benefits that are housing benefits and so many others and so. 00:33:33
It creates a situation where those people can't even enter the workforce. 00:33:37
And or or they lose their living and that's a broader issue that. 00:33:42
Our idea doesn't have the capacity to solve. 00:33:48
But a lot of the multifamily. 00:33:51
Housing projects that were able to. 00:33:55
Issued bonds for if we were if we had the expertise and this goes to I was really excited to hear about the potential for an 00:33:58
office because. 00:34:03
Ohh with Lexie. 00:34:08
While we haven't needed an office for a couple of years because we didn't have the people. 00:34:09
And real estate. 00:34:14
You make your work. 00:34:16
And you grow into your work and that's why we're excited about having the new Executive Director is. 00:34:18
We're anticipating that work to be made. We're gonna grow into it and with an opportunity like having an office. 00:34:26
That helps with the. 00:34:33
Workplace. 00:34:35
The presence in the community as well as having a place to meet clientele. 00:34:36
And so we're. 00:34:41
With the. 00:34:43
We have that capacity. We do have to get the. 00:34:44
Approval of any of the local entities where we do. 00:34:47
Issue bonds for multi housing. 00:34:51
Or even single family housing. 00:34:54
But then in addition to that we have to get the notification and approval of the. 00:34:57
Arizona Finance Authority, and that's they've taken over the role of the Arizona Housing Finance Authority, where my experience in 00:35:02
bonding came from. 00:35:07
Because we issued bonds for all of rural Arizona. 00:35:12
For single family residential housing and then we also did participate. 00:35:15
To a great deal in multifamily housing, both on that whole reservation. 00:35:19
Down and. 00:35:24
No, Dallas, we did. 00:35:26
$30 million project and. 00:35:28
Quite a few others so. 00:35:31
Umm. 00:35:33
That is a very involved process. You do need good legal counsel. 00:35:34
Where we have counseled with us Council Kutak Rock, who is also the. 00:35:40
Legal Counsel the Bond Council for the. 00:35:48
Arizona. 00:35:51
Finance authority. 00:35:53
Yeah. 00:35:54
Quite often they may even pick up the banner for us and run. 00:35:55
The housing and that's what. 00:36:00
But Finance Authority did years ago in Nogales. 00:36:02
That's what we did up on the Navajo reservation in. 00:36:05
To the city. 00:36:08
So there's. 00:36:10
Great outreach opportunities for us in the bonding. 00:36:13
We may not have to engage in that expertise if we can. 00:36:16
Get the state to help us out. 00:36:20
And that's how we as. 00:36:22
That's the idea. One operators. We like to be conveners and we've heard Mac talk about some of the projects that we've convened. 00:36:26
And have come produced great results. 00:36:33
Yeah, and that's what we celebrate is we don't need to be. 00:36:36
The one out there doing it, but now that we have somebody that can do it. 00:36:41
We are in that role that we can carry through a lot of these projects, We just don't have to. 00:36:45
Step back and let somebody else carry the water. 00:36:51
So on on these these bonds, if you issue a bond and you you guys as the the industrial authority. 00:36:54
Are able to collect a percentage of that bond for your administrative part of it, so that kind of helps with. 00:37:01
With your, you know, Lexi or whoever else, it is in there. So people understand that we need to do that for for our organization. 00:37:07
We do usually on some of these grants, USDA grants, brownfields grants and those things. 00:37:15
We were able to get an administrative. 00:37:20
Hmm. 00:37:24
Stipend. Hmm. Yeah. And that helped. 00:37:25
Helped us keep the wheels rolling and that's what we're expecting from Lexi also is to is to help us with the big projects and 00:37:29
that's the what we do. But from day-to-day we still have to have those. 00:37:36
Other grants that we can facilitate and I mean the idea is to bring money into the county. 00:37:44
And we are county wide right so. 00:37:50
Cliff, with your your expertise and everything, when you know housing is one thing, whether it's workforce housing or low income 00:37:53
housing, what about businesses? 00:37:58
That, that's what the Industrial Development Authority is. We have some limited capacity. 00:38:05
But if there were a business that and to do a bond, just the expense of doing a bond. 00:38:10
You're usually looking at a very large issue, you know. 00:38:17
When I was on the Housing Finance Authority 20 years ago, we needed to do at least $10 million to pay the overhead of creating 00:38:21
that bond with the the. 00:38:26
The override that. 00:38:31
Finance authority got the bond, council it we you have to use three different. 00:38:34
Legal firms. 00:38:40
To do 1 bond issue plus then your developer. 00:38:41
Or applicant has their legal staff. It gets very involved and very expensive. We did have. 00:38:44
An opportunity to participate in the. 00:38:52
Cobre Valley Regional Medical Center and they tried to work with us and and we just weren't quite there with our we were having. 00:38:55
Competent. I mean they were competent, but we didn't have the expert legal staff on board and they were able to get their. 00:39:05
Bonding through the hospital finance authority because there's a lot of other. 00:39:14
Bond source. 00:39:20
Entities out there besides just the industrial development authorities, but we're up and running and we want to be active and we'd 00:39:22
be. 00:39:26
Very excited to undertake a project of the type and if we had a business that was looking to do a $10 million or $20 million 00:39:30
investment. 00:39:34
In the county. 00:39:39
We would be a natural conduit for the sheriff. 00:39:40
And so. 00:39:44
Uh. 00:39:46
That's. 00:39:48
Pretty. I was supposed to give a history. 00:39:49
Mike did a pretty good job of some of our accomplishments. So there's no sense in going into the history of it because really and 00:39:52
truly we are looking towards the future. 00:39:57
I just have to tell you, I'm just getting acquainted with the new board members. 00:40:03
I think we've gotten pretty bright future going forward and we do want to work together not speaking for the board. 00:40:07
Collectively, but I I think I I don't think they'll argue with me when they say we want to support the county. 00:40:15
In the economic development efforts going forward? 00:40:20
Tim, Steve. 00:40:25
Anything I would just like to say, I really appreciate you guys the presentation, the challenges that you face and. 00:40:26
The attitude you're taking toward that to try and really make a difference. 00:40:35
So I've met everyone, I think, and so it's a. 00:40:40
It's great to have you guys. I think it's really needed so. 00:40:45
Appreciate that. 00:40:49
As we go forward, you know, I mean we want to work with the county. 00:40:51
We again. 00:40:56
It's by working together that we can make something happen and then. 00:40:58
Also, that's by. 00:41:03
Us being able to administer projects is how we can. 00:41:05
Maintain our organization moving forward financially too. 00:41:08
Well, and I would personally say that if you want to keep in contact with. 00:41:11
Mr. Manlove, as far as if you need office space in globe or pay center both. 00:41:17
Maybe some of that would come up at some point. 00:41:23
OK. 00:41:27
Where we? 00:41:29
We're anticipating we are going to need that. 00:41:31
This was just absolutely. 00:41:33
News to me what Mr. Mandela mentioned this morning, but. 00:41:36
I can see. 00:41:39
In 69 months with the energy that we're investing, we'll be, yeah, in that position to do that space. 00:41:41
Um, yeah. Thank you guys. But yeah, kind of. I'm the, I'm the one that asked for this work session. 00:41:49
And the reason being is I wanted to get everybody on the same page. We have some new members with the industrial authority. 00:41:57
We have some new members on the Board of Supervisors. 00:42:04
And and I wanted to have this earlier, but but Mr. Manlove had had a. 00:42:07
An issue that I was waiting for him to get back. 00:42:14
And the reason being is because there's a lot of finance things that perhaps the county can help. 00:42:17
The ID a width and I want everybody to know that, that's why I invited the members. 00:42:23
And and members, thank you for being here because if you have questions as well of the Board of Supervisors or kind of where 00:42:28
you're at, what's the Industrial Development Authority or or where you want to go? 00:42:34
This is the time to do it because I, you know, I don't want it to be a dictatorship from the Ida or from the Board of Supervisors 00:42:40
because. 00:42:44
But together everybody achieves more and and so I want I called this so that everybody can get on the same page. 00:42:49
And I want to give Mr. 00:42:57
Men love our county manager Who is the? 00:42:58
Of. 00:43:02
Prove. 00:43:03
A proficient professional at finances, he's been in IT his whole career. 00:43:04
And and so I I want him to to input with you guys and and and with the new executive director. 00:43:10
For. 00:43:18
Like I said, to get everybody on the same page and to know that you can pick up a phone. 00:43:19
End call. 00:43:23
Mr. Men Love or or I I wanna be copied on emails from the idea amongst the members and things. I wanna know what the meetings. 00:43:25
Because I I feel like the last year or so. Um. 00:43:34
The the gears just aren't all working together. We we've got a vehicle there and we've got 3 tires off and some of the Pistons 00:43:38
aren't working and. 00:43:42
And that's OK. We we we can fix that. But we all gotta work together to fix that. 00:43:47
And we all got to get on the same page. 00:43:52
Knowing that we're kind of going the same direction and and that's why I called this meeting. 00:43:54
To kind of open open that can of worms and say ohh OK how? 00:43:59
How can I help you? 00:44:04
Um, as as a supervisor, how how can how can the county help you? 00:44:06
From a financial view, and Mr. Mainland will give that. 00:44:12
But you know, the Industrial Development Authority works in cooperation with the county. 00:44:16
Well, I I kind of haven't felt like we've been in cooperation. 00:44:22
And and I want to get there. I really do. I want to be in cooperation. I want. I wanna help. 00:44:26
Um, with with with projects going forward well, I want to be in the loop of what's going on and how I can help. 00:44:32
And uh. 00:44:40
Yeah, Mr. Chair, if Mr. Menlough could have a minute to kind of. 00:44:41
Kind of. 00:44:45
Because I I let him know. 00:44:47
And I wanted him to help with some of the finance experience and and and maybe we're able to do some things. Cliff you've been on 00:44:49
it for a long time that the even you weren't aware that we can help you with. 00:44:55
And and and I want the board members to know that and and just get everybody's mind. 00:45:01
Kind of, kind of going on the same page. 00:45:07
And uh. 00:45:09
You know, like I say I I was on the Industrial Development Authority before I was a supervisor and. 00:45:10
I remember when we presented. 00:45:15
You know discover heela county to the board prior and then it just. 00:45:17
Didn't get any response out of it, so I'm glad that that changed because it's been great for the county during COVID. 00:45:22
When everybody's tax revenues were going down, ours was going up because everybody was. 00:45:29
Coming here to enjoy Heela County and and they they did discover it and that was a great thing. There was a a presentation that 00:45:33
Mister Manilow did at the. 00:45:38
Chamber of Commerce. 00:45:44
Meaning of north. 00:45:46
The. 00:45:48
Patient round up had a thing, says. 00:45:49
That are. 00:45:51
Tourism revenue was up where everybody else was dropping and we don't know why. 00:45:53
He ran that as one of his slides and says, but we know why. And then he brought up the home page of Discovery HeLa County. 00:45:58
And it is because of the. 00:46:04
The fourth fight. 00:46:06
Of this group. 00:46:08
To realize that that business. 00:46:09
Tourism is a business. 00:46:12
That if you. 00:46:14
Organized it and funded this. 00:46:16
Development that it would go in, there are great things. 00:46:19
Speaking as having some inside knowledge of what goes on and discover HeLa County. 00:46:22
There's some even bigger things coming. 00:46:26
OK, well I'm, I'm glad you agree with me, but the reason I brought up the Discover Heela County is I want the ID A to be as 00:46:28
successful as Discover Heal County is. 00:46:33
And and so that's why that's why I kind of brought this meeting together and and right now in my conversation that's why I brought 00:46:38
that up is, is I would love the Industrial Development Authority to be as successful as Discover Heela County is. 00:46:46
And and anything I can do to help that And so Mr. Chair, if you don't mind, if Mr. Menlough could kind of. 00:46:53
Do some finances and maybe how we can help with you being successful. OK, if you want me to sit down and just listen or. 00:46:59
Hey there, Matt. OK, have more questions for you. Well, if you wanna, if you wanna pull up a chair. 00:47:07
Good, good. Go ahead. No, it doesn't matter. You. 00:47:12
You can set, you can do whatever, because I don't know what, Mr. Minelli. I can see a lot of paperwork on it over there. So how 00:47:15
long, how long Here, If we have any question, you can return to the to the podium. But yeah, if you don't mind, I would like to 00:47:21
maybe give some. 00:47:27
Financial help or or information to the Industrial Development Authority now that. 00:47:32
We're trying to get everybody on the same page. 00:47:39
Mr. Member, if you would please, Mr. Chairman, Supervisor Humphrey, thank you for a few minutes. 00:47:41
The Industrial Development Authority created by by HeLa County. 00:47:46
And is as you mentioned as you brought forward that it is in conjunction with Helen County. 00:47:51
But as you go through the statutes, there are numerous ways that the Industrial Development Authority. 00:47:58
Can be involved in economic development. 00:48:04
Through financing of. 00:48:07
A myriad of different. 00:48:09
Applications through, healthcare through. 00:48:11
Through education. 00:48:14
Through housing. 00:48:16
Housing is mentioned. 00:48:18
Throughout the the statutes of govern the Industrial Development Authority, and you've already brought that up. 00:48:20
One of the the things that are unique within Industrial Development Authority that the limitations and constraints. 00:48:26
That we have. 00:48:32
On us as a as a county government. 00:48:33
The Industrial Development Authority, those rules are. 00:48:37
Not as strict. 00:48:41
Meaning that an industrial development authority that they can buy properties. 00:48:44
Or develop. 00:48:48
As they call it a project throughout the statutes that. 00:48:50
The Industrial Development Authority could develop a housing project. 00:48:53
And that the industrial development story can actually. 00:48:57
Sell those properties or lease. 00:49:00
Properties. 00:49:03
So Industrial Development Authority can be an owner of a single family dwelling, multifamily dwelling, whatever it might be that 00:49:04
the Industrial Development Authority can be the owner of such properties and to lease those properties. 00:49:10
County government cannot. 00:49:17
Now the Industrial Development Authority is an incorporated government. 00:49:19
Meaning that they. 00:49:24
Or a governmental entity and they are a part of HeLa County. 00:49:26
One of the things that they. 00:49:30
Do you have that some of the procurement? 00:49:32
Rules. 00:49:35
That we have as a county government. 00:49:36
Because I know that we. 00:49:39
Had to deal with those, and some of the limitations are just stifling. 00:49:41
That we have on us as county government. 00:49:45
Those rules are somewhat relaxed, and in fact there's one statement in a statute that. 00:49:47
The procurement rules that we have do not apply to professional development for now. There are certain limitations, there are 00:49:53
certain things that. 00:49:56
All government entities have to comply with. 00:50:00
But there are some. 00:50:03
For your current procurement. 00:50:05
Laws and rules. 00:50:07
That the Industrial Development Authority is not as limited as we are. 00:50:09
And so. 00:50:14
There are things that we. 00:50:16
Collectively as a. 00:50:19
Industrial Development Authority and County Government by working hand in hand. 00:50:20
With the Industrial Development Authority that we can accomplish. 00:50:25
One of those in particular housing and that's. 00:50:28
Significant issue that we have had for a number of years. 00:50:31
It's even been exacerbated. 00:50:35
Over the last few years. 00:50:37
Because of COVID. 00:50:39
And the limitations that housing brought to not only everyone, but particularly to rural. 00:50:40
Arizona and Healer County. 00:50:46
Now I've. 00:50:49
Had a conversation with Patty Power yesterday. 00:50:51
And. 00:50:55
Expressed to her that housing. 00:50:56
Has got to be elevated to one of the highest. 00:50:59
Issues the highest priorities that we have in Hill County. 00:51:02
And so I've asked her to. 00:51:05
That we have got to jump in. 00:51:09
Head first, feet first. 00:51:13
Every way that we can. 00:51:15
To housing. And so I've asked her to give us and do whatever research there's there's money that's available there. 00:51:17
Of broadband money There's. Infrastructure money. For highways and streets, there's. 00:51:23
All kinds of money, but there's also money for housing. 00:51:27
And we have got to take advantage of that. So I'm thrilled, lucky to have you as another tool that we can work with. 00:51:30
Hand in hand, and he like county. 00:51:36
On the House and but I've asked Patty to give us. 00:51:38
Any information, anything that we can be able to? 00:51:41
Expand our ability to utilize the funding and to be able to. 00:51:45
As a governmental entity, to be able to influence, to be able to. 00:51:50
Expand to be able to grow. 00:51:54
And developed the housing that we have available here in Heela County. 00:51:57
So. 00:52:01
Industrial develop authorities as you've noted that they are set up for. 00:52:03
For financing. 00:52:08
To sell bonds and do other things like that. 00:52:09
But there's not just bonds, there's any. 00:52:11
The statutes describe any number of different methods any different. 00:52:14
Vehicles that can be used. 00:52:19
To develop, financing, develop projects. 00:52:22
And you'll think so. 00:52:24
Through banks, financial institutions, through bonds. 00:52:27
You name it. Whatever it is, it's available. 00:52:30
To an industrial development authority to look at all those opportunities for financing. 00:52:33
And look forward to working. 00:52:38
With the Industrial Development Authority to. 00:52:40
To work on that and. 00:52:43
Help us all to grow. 00:52:45
Yeah, Mr. Chair, for me and and just Mr. Miller brought up Patty Powers. That's our lobbyist in Washington. 00:52:48
So that's, you know, for those of you that didn't know, she's not as little genie that we just call on once in a while, she. 00:52:55
She's our lobbyist in Washington. That helps us look for grants. And so, yeah. 00:53:01
And so the so that we can help them through grants and things of that nature with financing to. 00:53:07
To help them because I understand that they're working on money that they've had for a long time and but it's running out. 00:53:14
And so you know, we need to try to help, I think, to work with them, to help them. 00:53:20
Regain some of that and grow from it. 00:53:26
Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. Through Grumpy, I know that this board supports the Industrial Development Authority and. 00:53:30
For the first time in what? 00:53:38
It appears there's a a specific direction that the Industrial Development Authority is. 00:53:46
Pointing to. 00:53:52
And I know with that and working closely with the. 00:53:53
Hill County Board of Supervisors that. 00:53:56
We will work hand in hand and. 00:53:58
Be supportive of the of the Industrial Development Authority. 00:54:00
Going forward? 00:54:04
I will ask Mr. Chairman that in the in the past I've. 00:54:06
Trying to get involved in I would have Sherry. When's the next Industrial Development Authority meeting? 00:54:09
That every time it was. 00:54:14
That the Industrial Development Authority board that their meetings have been scheduled when this board is meeting. 00:54:16
And things like that. So I would ask that the Industrial Dental Authority. 00:54:21
Lexie works with us. 00:54:26
So that we can have more participation in those board meetings. They are a government entity. They are public meetings. 00:54:28
That required you post agendas and and. 00:54:34
And required to reporting things with that they talked about in digitizing. 00:54:36
Ohh that being made available for the public. Because they are. 00:54:41
Governmental entity. 00:54:45
But just would ask that the the Industrial Development Authority board hold meetings. 00:54:46
And we will work with them to schedule meetings so that we can be more actively. 00:54:51
Active participants. 00:54:56
In the. 00:54:57
Events and be more supportive in that way. 00:54:58
We don't know what's going on. 00:55:01
And Camp 10 meetings makes it very difficult for us to. 00:55:03
Be fully engaged and involved in the idea. 00:55:06
So I'd ask that. 00:55:10
Yeah, I think that's a cool deal. So one thing I would throw out there right now is is. 00:55:13
They if they change your meetings to off meetings of us. 00:55:18
There's still a lot of times when I can see none of us being able to make it and stuff. So are you gonna be the one that bridge 00:55:22
that between you and Lexie to keep those communications? 00:55:26
Before we let anybody out, I'm gonna ask Jerry to get all the contact information of. 00:55:31
Lexi and that we can get together real soon and. 00:55:36
Make sure that we're on the same page and if they are gonna hold quarterly meetings. 00:55:39
That they are going our calendars on all of our calendars. 00:55:44
So backing up a little bit back to the grant and you're talking to Patty about that, I'm sure there's there's grants out there at 00:55:50
the federal level. 00:55:54
But when you're specifically looking at something like that, are you thinking that maybe? 00:55:58
We help them apply for the grants or that we apply for and pass it on to them or what? What was your thoughts? It would, Mr. 00:56:03
Chairman. It would depend on what is most advantageous. 00:56:09
Because sometimes there will be an advantage to having the Gown County. 00:56:15
I do the application on many times it's. 00:56:18
Would be advantageous for the the DA. 00:56:24
To apply for the grants. 00:56:27
And as has been mentioned, there's an administrative fee. 00:56:29
That helps to fund and finance the idea. 00:56:32
But we just look for what the greatest advantage is. 00:56:35
OK. 00:56:39
Anything else, Jim? 00:56:41
Umm, let's clarify. May does anyone, any of the members of the Industrial Development Authority have any questions either out 00:56:42
there in computer land or or here in in in in the building? 00:56:49
If if you have any questions. 00:56:55
You're welcome to ask him and if. 00:56:58
If I weren't shy and doesn't want to ask any questions, you're welcome to call me. 00:57:01
At anytime and ask that question, I'll get the answer. 00:57:05
That I can. 00:57:09
For you and and I want to participate in the meetings, so if the board has. 00:57:11
Has questions of what we can do or or or help with some of our grant writers or or or just everyday operations. I I want to be 00:57:16
more involved. I was on the industrial building story. 00:57:22
And and and I want to be a big part of it. And like I say, I'd like to see it be as accessible as discovery. 00:57:28
Hill County, yes. 00:57:33
Anyone has any questions, Jill please? 00:57:35
Mr. Chair, thanks. You're welcome. 00:57:41
Supervisors, thank you. I'm Jill Wilson. I'm a member of the ID board. I don't really have a question. I just have a statement. 00:57:45
I'm very, very thankful that we've had this. 00:57:49
I've served for two years and I felt like we were going nowhere fast. 00:57:54
And I really feel like now we finally have a direction. 00:57:58
And we have some good people in place. We have a forward and I'm very appreciative because I do feel like we're not just spinning 00:58:01
our wheels. So I just wanted to say thank you for for your help and your assistance and and I'm really excited to have Lexie so. 00:58:08
It was just to thank you, yeah. 00:58:16
So Jill, before you go, yeah. I mean, you've been here your whole life, so. 00:58:17
I'm sure you have some ideas for opportunities for HeLa County School. 00:58:21
Yeah, we we brainstormed on on some of our meetings and. 00:58:26
You know, just picking what would probably be the most feasible and the the quickest. 00:58:30
Umm. 00:58:35
Success, I think would be good, but you know, we're still brainstorming for sure. Good deal. Well, we're glad to have you all 00:58:36
that's, that's for sure, so. 00:58:39
Looking forward to it. Steve, do you have anything? I do not. Thanks for coming though. I really appreciate it. 00:58:43
James, you good. 00:58:48
I'll make one more comment, I guess. 00:58:51
There are two projects that I would. 00:58:54
Like to? 00:58:57
Through our way and and with the Industrial Development Authority for consideration that we do on property and basin. 00:58:58
On 260. 00:59:06
How long been a? 00:59:08
Thought an idea. 00:59:10
Plan to use that property that the county owns as. 00:59:12
Developing housing. 00:59:17
And also we are continuing to work with adding property out by the Fairgrounds in Globe. 00:59:18
That they're adding. 00:59:24
280 acres. 00:59:26
280, I think. 00:59:29
That that is potentially a. 00:59:30
Of thought this idea that we can utilize that property. 00:59:33
Out by the fairgrounds for. 00:59:37
Housing units as well. 00:59:39
So let's put those two. 00:59:41
Projects on the ideas. 00:59:43
There you go. 00:59:45
And ours as well that. 00:59:46
We need to consider, continue and pursue those actively. 00:59:48
I'm glad you brought that up. I was going to, but I figured Jessica was gonna shoot me down, so I didn't do it. But since you 00:59:53
opened that door. 00:59:56
We have other properties as well. So maybe there's other opportunities out there too, I don't know, but just throw that out there. 01:00:01
I think we have like 100 and some properties we're in, we've got, we've got a list of properties that we if they're any good that 01:00:07
they're working under see if we own but good or not good, something still has to be done with them. Well, I mean if it's not for 01:00:12
housing storage or something. 01:00:18
Although that's something that we could work with the idea on too, on properties that we ended up owning. 01:00:23
Umm. And so they they need they need a home. 01:00:30
And we'd like to get them a home other than with us. 01:00:34
Miss Chair, I do have one question. There was comment made that. 01:00:39
That this is something wasn't Lexie's full time job, right? 01:00:42
Are are you? 01:00:46
Is this a full time job? 01:00:47
The idea is 400 offering. OK, OK. 01:00:49
Good deal. I really thank you all for being here and I really appreciate the conversation. It is good and I think a lot of people 01:00:54
got. 01:00:58
Some good facts out of this today so. 01:01:01
Yes, I'm not. No, I'm. I'm good. And if you don't have my number, my assistant is right here. 01:01:04
Christine, be sure you get her information or mine on the way out and. 01:01:10
Let's stay in touch. Let let's, let's let's get this rolling. 01:01:13
Thank you all very much and you know Sharon. 01:01:18
Yes. 01:01:21
OK, I figured you did. 01:01:21
All right. Are we good and patient? Is there anyone in patient that have any questions? 01:01:24
OK. Thanks. 01:01:35
All right, you guys. Well, thanks so much and I'm sure we'll all be in touch and see you around. 01:01:37
Somewhere along the way. 01:01:44
All right, moving on to 2B information discussion regarding post fire flood. 01:01:46
Mitigation projects funded through P 2001, Carl. 01:01:51
We actually have Coral Milford, Carol Patak, and Gain Health. 01:01:55
Hi, good morning, Chairman, members of the board. 01:02:02
In typical Emergency Management fashion, I have a big beautiful design layout and plan here for this presentation. 01:02:05
And we are going to. 01:02:12
Deviate from it entirely. Um. So one of our speakers that we're saving for the end, she actually has an appointment that she needs 01:02:13
to make it to. So we're going to let her kind of. 01:02:17
Kick off our presentation so Carol Patak's gonna come up and kind of talk about how this post Fire Flood Mitigation money has 01:02:22
helped her and her property. Sure. Come on up, Carol. 01:02:27
Thanks. 01:02:33
Yeah, I apologize for before we knew about this. We had another appointment that's taken us months to get. 01:02:34
I'm Carol Patak. I'm one of the ranchers. My husband is in the back. There we have Griffin Ranch. We're now Happy 10. 01:02:40
I think our story is probably pretty well known here in HeLa County, thanks to Facebook. 01:02:45
June 14th we were burned out by the firefighter back burn that was lit to. 01:02:50
Try to save the towers at. 01:02:56
And Signal Peak. And it got out of control across 77 and burned out us and many of our neighbors. We lost fourteen homes in 01:02:59
October 10. 01:03:03
Uh, that was bad enough. We invited our our federal senator to come see us on June 12th because we understood that he was out. 01:03:07
To see the fire. And of course he never showed up. He went for the photo op. 01:03:15
Up at Incident Command, we got the. 01:03:20
The GO order at 5:38 in the morning on June 14th. 01:03:23
And by 7:15, the western side of our ranch was already gone. 01:03:26
We got out with about 20 seconds to spare. 01:03:31
Fire on her tail. We were forced to leave all of our cattle behind because all of our rescue trailers were up here. 01:03:35
Sitting at the intersection of 70 and 77. 01:03:40
They were not allowed through because there was fire in both sides. 01:03:43
The first trailer did get through and they ended up having to pop a U-turn in the middle of flames to get out of there. 01:03:46
And some of you know the gentleman, we were just totally amazed at how many ranchers showed up to help us and they never got 01:03:52
through. So we were forced to leave without our cattle, without our horses. 01:03:57
We basically got out with the clothes on her back and and a whole load of hay because we had expected to be able to evacuate the 01:04:03
animals. 01:04:06
We were allowed to return. 01:04:10
On June 18th and we discovered we still had a home. We had a barn. 01:04:12
All of our buildings were there, all of our cattle were there, all of our horses were there and we thought we were the most 01:04:16
blessed people on the face of the planet. 01:04:19
And we thought, wow, OK, we've lost our perimeter because we actually took fire four times. 01:04:23
Uh June 14th. We took it in the morning from the West. The fire swung around to the north. It took out our northern border, which 01:04:29
we share with the. 01:04:33
Time on National Forest? 01:04:37
That night, the fire swung around in a. 01:04:39
Fire tornado, what they call it, and it took out all of Bridge Creek to our South. 01:04:42
Fire came over our southern border. 01:04:47
The next morning, the wind shifted and for the first time, instead of blowing from West to east, it picked up east. West picked up 01:04:49
the flames. 01:04:53
That were still that had burned out 14 family homes in. 01:04:57
Ranch Creek and came up and hit our ranch. 01:05:01
From the east side got within 100 feet of where the cattle were. 01:05:04
But we thought, OK, we lost our perimeter, we're OK. You know, we're ranchers. We're tough. We're gonna rebuild and put our fences 01:05:07
back up and away we go. 01:05:11
And we were able to get a load of hay in pretty quick and we thought we were doing great. 01:05:16
Until the night of July 3rd, and on July 3rd they all Capitan community got together to find out what we needed to help each 01:05:23
other. This has always been people helping people and at this point we had not seen any any help. There was no help, there was no. 01:05:30
Funding. There was nothing we we had nothing. We just knew that we needed to get financing up. 01:05:37
And so we went to dinner with the Community Party on July 3rd. 01:05:42
And all of a sudden all hell broke loose. We had a huge storm that came in over E Mountain. 01:05:47
And. 01:05:53
It just started throwing buckets at us. We left. 01:05:54
By the time we got to the 77 interchange, the wash where we had just left was already falling 4 feet deep. 01:05:58
And so we scooted home real fast and not realizing what was coming our way. We woke up the morning of July 4th and we have a tack 01:06:04
room that's a 40 foot container. It was now wrapped around the barn. 01:06:09
Two of the buildings that the fireman had saved were now gone. 01:06:14
All of my husband's tools were gone, Oliver plumbing supplies were gone. 01:06:17
Are all of them now all of our? 01:06:21
Water lines were gone. 01:06:25
All of our internal fencing was now gone. All of our internal corrals were gone. 01:06:27
And we were very fortunate that our replacement hoppers that we had in a corral had the sense of mind before 8 feet of water came 01:06:31
through. 01:06:35
To get on the upper side of the dock and they were up to their shoulders and water. 01:06:39
But they survived. So once again, all of our animals survived, but now all of our infrastructure is gone. 01:06:43
So that was a pretty depressing time. So we cleaned up all that morning on July 4th. That was a Sunday when we get to church 01:06:48
because there was only. 01:06:52
Two ways to get to the road, to get to 77. One was either you walked two miles. 01:06:56
Or the other way is you saddle the horse up and you went out. And again, our neighbors, Dixon. 01:07:01
John Dixon came over with his backhoe. His wife called us that morning and said, Do you need help? 01:07:07
Are you guys OK? And I said no, we're not. 01:07:11
So they started coming in with their backhoe and my husband and the fencing guys that we had already there started working our way 01:07:14
out. 01:07:17
And we worked all day trying to salvage whatever we could. 01:07:21
And we took whatever we could find, and we had two rules. If it was, if we had, we could salvage it, put it on the brown. 01:07:24
That man put it on the dirt that hadn't been covered with the silt. 01:07:30
And the soot and the stench of the floods that had come down from E Mountain, because all of E Mountain drains through our ranch. 01:07:33
We're on. 01:07:40
East side of Hwy. 7 seven, so all that water comes down through us. 01:07:42
And so we worked all day. And my husband and I, as you can tell, are not spring chickens. 01:07:46
This was tough, hard work. And then he helped Nixon get his material, his equipment, back. 01:07:50
And then my husband called me when he was on his way back and he said I can't get home. 01:07:56
What do you mean you can't get home? So look outside. 01:08:01
There was another storm on E Mountain. We didn't get any rain at all. 01:08:04
Uh, but he's Mountain Dew and we took another 6 feet of water. Just came through the ranch again and what happened is that the 01:08:07
wash jumped. 01:08:11
Instead of following the wash path that was there before the fire that was about 3 feet deep and 7 foot wide, it now went 01:08:14
straight. And it went straight through our barn with all of our hay. 01:08:19
That we had just gotten in. 01:08:24
So we lost the We lost the entire bottom level of our hay. We had about four foot of salt in the barn. 01:08:26
And all the things that we put on the brown thinking that was safe. 01:08:32
We're now also gone. 01:08:36
Because it came through and sort all that fluid out. 01:08:38
And at that point, my husband, I looked at each other and said we're leaving. This is it, We're done. We just, we can't do this, 01:08:40
We can't restart. 01:08:43
And then shortly after that, I was really impressed because two groups showed up. 01:08:47
When was Supervisor Klein? 01:08:52
First politician that we saw first support that we saw, that came out to take a look at the fact that we did not have a vote. We 01:08:54
did not have a way for water to come through. We had no way to get out. We could. I could not get my car out. 01:09:00
Because of the condition of our Rd. going from our ranch to Hwy. 77. 01:09:07
And the next thing we heard coming down the road was Carl Malford and Justin coming in on their side by side. 01:09:12
It's got us sitting in an office. 01:09:17
Healer County Emergency Management came out saw. 01:09:19
They came out, look to see what was going on. They saw it. Devastated ranch. 01:09:22
Base High Ranch that was not only not operational, it was not functional. 01:09:26
We had animals that were in makeshift pens. We had no water. 01:09:30
We had no water lines, we had no fencing. 01:09:34
And that's when we started to see some help. Because to this point, we were paying Dixon Rock and Materials Weekly to just try to 01:09:37
keep a whole, just try to keep a road open for us. 01:09:41
Between our ranch and 77. 01:09:46
While Miami got flooded twice, Globe got flooded once. 01:09:49
El Capitan took 22 flights that that summer. 01:09:53
And some of them as much as 14 feet tall. I have video. 01:09:56
Of watching 14 feet of water coming through our ranch. You can imagine the devastation. 01:10:00
So without the Emergency Management team and Woody. 01:10:04
We wouldn't still be here. 01:10:08
Our operation would have been gone. You talk about bringing in businesses where grass fed grass finished beef operation. 01:10:10
We support a lot of employment in this area. Our butcher is over and we fields. 01:10:16
A lot of our customers are here. 01:10:22
We did a lot of customers down in Phoenix and Tucson. We're super premium beef operation. 01:10:24
And we've gotten other branches also to get into this direct sale beef operation because ranches can't survive based on commodity 01:10:29
prices. 01:10:33
So we've been really trying to help the community and and I appreciate being able to speak today. The last time you saw me was 01:10:37
with the shooting sports. 01:10:41
If it wasn't for the Hill County Emergency Management, the funding that we got during our ranch back to functional and finally 01:10:45
back to operational. 01:10:48
We wouldn't be here and all the programs that were associated with. 01:10:52
And trying to help this community wouldn't be here, so you know it's. 01:10:55
We still have a challenge of a road every time that it rains. 01:11:00
We don't have a Rd. 01:11:04
We can't get out. 01:11:06
If we have an emergency, we can't get out. 01:11:08
You know, because we had to pull all the culverts from all of our roads because you can't cut. 01:11:10
12 feet of water through 2 foot culvert. It takes the road out. 01:11:14
So more funding is needed to be able to get permanent. 01:11:18
Affixes out there. 01:11:22
But we appreciated what he came out to do a. 01:11:24
I'm eating with us. I don't know if you remember this. 01:11:27
You came out all capitan to get everybody together, said, OK, this is what's coming, this is what we can find, this is what we 01:11:29
can't find. 01:11:32
You know we can't do anything on private property. You know, we're not going to rebuild your house. We're not going to rebuild 01:11:35
your buildings. That's up to you. 01:11:38
And what most people believe is that's all covered by insurance. 01:11:41
It's not. 01:11:45
We're at 5000 feet of elevation. Who'd get flood insurance? 01:11:46
5000 feet. 01:11:50
Just because we were burned out and everything was a direct result of the burn. 01:11:51
They don't care. 01:11:54
So far to date, what we've gotten in all of that and you guys know how much fencing costs we lost. 01:11:56
8 miles of fencing. 01:12:02
For my rant. 01:12:04
Our insurance company paid $5000. 01:12:05
$5000 And you guys know how much fencing cost per foot? 01:12:09
So what it came out to say, I said. Oh, happy pan, and it started to sprinkle. 01:12:13
And he watched us as we ran like cockroaches when the lights went on. 01:12:17
He looked at me and he goes, what's going on? I said it's raining. He says it's not that bad. I said You don't understand. 01:12:20
We know what's coming and I'm going to be lucky if I can get out. 01:12:26
Ranch Creek Rd. And back in my Rd. before I'm flooded out and I can't get there. 01:12:29
So more is needed. 01:12:34
To keep your talk about. 01:12:36
Residential, you talk about businesses. There's a lot of businesses out there. 01:12:38
You know, not just ours. And so more funding is needed to be able to get some. 01:12:42
Permanent infrastructure out there. 01:12:47
Thank you, Carol. Thank you. 01:12:51
That was pretty tough times, wasn't it? 01:12:53
Very tough times. 01:12:55
Very, very tough times, it was. 01:12:56
My husband and I decided when we were evacuated. 01:12:58
Uh, that when we saw the fire maps and we saw that our ranch was totally covered in Redis. That's it. We're done. We're leaving. 01:13:01
You know, we would not have stayed. Not only not a glow, we would have stayed here. The county would be out of here. 01:13:06
And let the land do whatever it did and left, you know, as we assumed that we had lost all of our cattle. 01:13:11
And where the ranch has got the funny fluffy cows. 01:13:17
And they are ridiculous in price right now. We've got very expensive cattle sitting out there and Capitan and we thought it would 01:13:21
last everything and with no insurance. 01:13:25
So this kind of funding that came through? 01:13:29
It took some time, but it helped us get our wash. 01:13:32
Where it needed to be. 01:13:37
Umm. 01:13:38
The actually honest to get the ranch operational came out of our that was our life savings. 01:13:39
Because, you know, it's private property, but at least we got roads and so we got reimbursed for the road work that had been done, 01:13:45
which was great. 01:13:49
So uh, you know, we're very, very appreciative of that, so but. 01:13:52
It's just. 01:13:56
The guys in Washington not realize when you got a ranching operation in the South, you know, we just got our money. 01:13:57
Last week. 01:14:04
For a conservation district product that we did two years ago. 01:14:06
You know, and you're like, what do you think you're gonna do with cattle for two years? 01:14:09
Not put up a fence. 01:14:12
Not put in water. 01:14:14
You know, you get a ranching operation. They don't sit around and wait. Our cattle needed water the day of the fire. 01:14:16
So how do you do that? And then to lose all of our water lines, my husband actually ended up putting in water lines five times. 01:14:22
So we get reimbursed for 1000 feet. 01:14:28
We put it in five times, so we actually put in 5000 feet by the time the floods hit us, because the conservation district would 01:14:31
only cover the damages by fire, not by floods. 01:14:35
And for us not to get the kind of floods were much more devastating. We had a rancher to our S, lost one house to the fire. We 01:14:39
lost another house to the flood. 01:14:43
Thank you. 01:14:49
Thank you, Carol. Thank you. And I'm going to comment on this a little bit so people really understand. 01:14:49
Fly Heeler County is. 01:14:55
Dove into the management of a lot of these fires. 01:14:57
And that what you heard is, is the driving reason. 01:15:01
The management styles today are way different than they were before, and it's easy to draw big circles and say this is what we're 01:15:05
going to do without thinking about the. 01:15:10
What's gonna cause in a week or a few days or whatever? 01:15:16
And and a lot of our our country is is feds managed by the feds. 01:15:20
So they draw the line at the private property boundary. They it's like private property. It's not our deal. We'll see you. 01:15:27
Where we on the other hand that's that is our deal And so that's why for the last well there's. 01:15:35
Since the. 01:15:41
Well, I guess since we got into office 2016, the Juniper Fire was the first one we started with. 01:15:43
And we had one of these big fires every year for five years and so. 01:15:49
At least one. 01:15:53
So that's why we've been pushing on the feds really hard and being a part of all these meetings, the preseason fire meetings, the 01:15:55
coordination meetings that I just went to. 01:16:00
Yes, Dave, before yesterday and last night. 01:16:05
Is because of this right there? 01:16:08
And. 01:16:10
And it's tough. 01:16:11
It's really tough, Carl. I'm gonna let you go on with your presentation before I get on my soapbox again, because I'm gonna get on 01:16:13
it in a minute. There's gonna be plenty of opportunity. Good to do it throughout. So thank you. 01:16:18
Chairman, Supervisors. And thank you, Carol, for for powering through that. I'm sure telling that story is not always the easiest. 01:16:23
Um, so the point of this presentation is to kind of go through how that House bill 2001 funding for post fire flood mitigation as 01:16:31
assisted us as a county. 01:16:36
I probably pushed the wrong button, didn't I? 01:16:46
There we go. 01:16:51
Umm, so? 01:16:53
The 2021 fire season was. 01:16:54
One of our most significant in history. 01:16:57
We had two of the top five largest fires in the state's history that actually did touch each other. 01:17:00
The only reason that those acreages weren't combined to give us the largest buyer in the States history was because active fire 01:17:07
line touched inactive fire line. Had the miscalled fire still been active at the point where it touched the Telegraph fire, it 01:17:12
would have been considered one fire and we would have had the largest fire in the States history. 01:17:18
Um, so that being said, we also had the Backbone Fire going up during that same time period. 01:17:24
Up in in the pine area, so we definitely had our. 01:17:30
Hands more than full. 01:17:34
Screw this up again. 01:17:40
There we go. So just to. 01:17:41
Kind of an overview of Healy County Emergency Management. 01:17:45
Rule. 01:17:49
In emergencies such as wildfires. 01:17:50
The four pillars of Emergency Management are mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery. And this presentation is really 01:17:53
going to focus in on that recovery portion which is. 01:17:57
What we do after the fact? 01:18:02
And I will admit that as as a profession, emergency management's weakest point. 01:18:04
Is in that recovery piece because that's the part where there's the least amount that we have the ability or the authority to do. 01:18:08
It's also going to some of the topics that. 01:18:20
Had come up during this response. 01:18:23
One of the biggest ones that we really didn't anticipate for was the hazmat portion of the fires. 01:18:24
Um, there was actually several items of TNT located within the Telegraph Fire scar that were found by the teams prior to. 01:18:30
Them. 01:18:38
The scenario turning worse than it needed to be. 01:18:40
And there were also locations where fuels and other fluids were found in barrels that we had to work with a DEQ to, you know, get 01:18:44
pointers on where to go with. 01:18:49
Umm, so the? 01:18:56
Individual Assistance Service Center. 01:18:57
I was one of the first. 01:19:00
Actions that we took in kind of that response phase of the wildfires. 01:19:01
So what we did was we brought in a team of state individuals as well as our own teams. 01:19:06
And a bunch of private sector organizations, just to kind of. 01:19:13
Offer assistance to the communities. 01:19:17
I'll let them know what their programs were about and just let them know what resources would be available to them during and 01:19:19
after the the wildfire. 01:19:23
Umm. 01:19:28
And this was kind of the first step into our recovery phase, which we did. 01:19:29
Actually during the fire itself, because we figured being proactive would give people a little more time to. 01:19:34
To work with and and find out what resources were available. 01:19:40
Prior to the the end of the fire. 01:19:44
Um, so typically what recovery looks like for Emergency Management as a profession? 01:19:48
Is Emergency Management does, does or facilitates the damage assessment? 01:19:55
If applicable, they will apply for a public assistance grant if there's an emergency declaration, which in our particular case is 01:20:01
in the area of $250,000 of reimbursement. 01:20:06
Umm. 01:20:12
Which seemed that doesn't really go far for being honest with each other and. 01:20:13
It's called public assistance, but that term tends to be misleading because it does not. It's not addressed to the public. 01:20:19
It's for the local jurisdictions, such as the counties or municipalities to recover loss. 01:20:25
Whether it be out of the normal expenditures due to the emergency or damages incurred. 01:20:31
When it comes to the individual, the homeowner or the business owners. 01:20:38
That's considered individual assistance. 01:20:42
And Emergency Management does not have much of A role in that outside of. 01:20:45
Kind of connecting people with, you know, your NGO's and nonprofits that are able to actually assist. 01:20:50
The private individuals. 01:20:56
We we were able to step a little bit out of our box and do a little more during this event and we'll go more into that. 01:20:59
Umm, so evacuations? 01:21:08
We reached 45,000. 01:21:12
UM users during this event with evacuation notices. 01:21:15
Through our ready hello alert system. 01:21:19
Um, we sent five set notifications that reached 7612 users. 01:21:22
And 13 go notices that reach 11,866 users. 01:21:29
Um. 01:21:35
So it it was a a big. 01:21:36
Event in our our alerting system really played a huge part in that. We're continuing to promote people to sign up for that because 01:21:38
unfortunately our biggest advertisers are emergencies. 01:21:44
And we want people to sign up prior to the emergencies, not during. 01:21:49
Another important thing to touch on is. 01:21:56
Ready, set, go. 01:21:59
Ready Set Go was utilized. That model was utilized throughout this event and work. 01:22:02
Pretty successfully. 01:22:07
And then when we go into the flooding. 01:22:08
We talked about messaging and what that looked like because just to give an example of the areas that kind of sparked this 01:22:12
conversation. 01:22:15
6 Shooter, Icehouse and Calendar Canyons are very bottlenecked. Everybody comes out the same way and goes in the same way. 01:22:19
And that Canyon, When you come out of there, it takes you through one of two exits. One is a low water crossing that gets closed 01:22:26
on a regular rainy day. 01:22:31
And the other is a. 01:22:35
Say it politically, correctly a a bridge of questionable. 01:22:37
Of structure. 01:22:41
So. 01:22:43
Umm. 01:22:44
We thought about messaging and what does that look like, the roads that exit these areas. 01:22:45
Sit at a lower elevation than the vast majority of the homes. 01:22:51
So we met with the Sheriff's Office, Sheriff's Office and talked about possibly doing a shelter in place or head for high ground 01:22:55
messaging rather than bottlenecking people in an evacuation at a lower elevation and sending them to a potential bottleneck 01:23:01
situation and putting more people in harm's way. I'm happy to say that throughout this entire event and all of the post fire 01:23:07
floods that came afterwards, there were no casualties. 01:23:13
So, umm. 01:23:19
What we did ended up being pretty successful. 01:23:20
So going into flooding. 01:23:27
Umm. 01:23:29
And I'm sure you guys heard me talk a lot right after the fire about the potential of flooding that we had. 01:23:30
I don't think I even anticipated the full magnitude of what we experienced. 01:23:37
Because the rain gauge for example on. 01:23:41
UH, Pinal peak averaged prior to that year. 01:23:44
Three to five inches. 01:23:48
Per rainy season, per monsoon season. 01:23:50
Uh, 2021 we had 17 inches. 01:23:53
So we had an out of the ordinary fire season followed by an extremely out of the ordinary monsoon season, which cooked up the 01:23:55
recipe for disaster that we. 01:24:00
Experienced. 01:24:05
Umm, We did a lot of community meetings and reaching out to the public and preparing them for the floods. 01:24:06
Letting them know what? 01:24:12
Could potentially come and we were fully transparent about the potential and it was. It seemed like a shock to the public, but it 01:24:14
was. 01:24:18
Necessary for letting them know the reality of what we are facing. 01:24:23
Our community Resource Center. So we worked with the Salvation Army, the United Fund of Globe, Miami, and a bunch of other non for 01:24:29
profit organizations to to do kind of a a center where donations could be received, managed and distributed to the public. 01:24:37
The biggest part of that was if you were a homeowner that was in a flooded area, you can go in here and you can pick up a case of 01:24:45
water. 01:24:48
A bucket with cleaning supplies and just the essentials of what you need to start. 01:24:52
Cleaning out your home. 01:24:56
Sandbags are available for preparation for future storms and this was hugely successful and they had. 01:24:58
Quite a few visitors during that. 01:25:05
Going into response and recovery, so their community response during the flooding was huge. 01:25:09
Umm, particularly the Miami events. 01:25:14
After the floods in Miami, I mean, you could go downtown and Miami and just see elbow to elbow shovels, heavy equipment. 01:25:17
With everyone working to help people out. 01:25:24
Stand up volunteers, neighbors helping neighbors. It was it was incredibly moving thing to see. 01:25:28
So some of the mitigation work that was going in was UM. 01:25:35
Hydrology consulting. 01:25:39
The community outreach that I talked about earlier, sandbags were placed out and not only the central sandbagging location under 01:25:41
public works yard like we typically do. 01:25:46
Um. 01:25:51
We worked with Public Works to get. 01:25:52
Ohh sandbags palleted and put out into strategic locations. 01:25:55
These sandbags were filled by county employees. 01:26:00
There were Boy Scout troops that came out there, football teams. I mean basically we had the sandbag station open and anyone that 01:26:03
wanted to help did. 01:26:07
And even some of the fire teams came in and filled sandbags after their shifts of fighting fire, which was pretty incredible. 01:26:11
So. 01:26:22
HP 2001. So I want to go back and talk a little bit about what that public assistance grant process looks like through emergency 01:26:23
declarations. 01:26:27
So if we have an emergency such as the Telegraph Fire. 01:26:32
And we declared the state does an emergency declaration to support us. We can apply for funding. 01:26:35
It's called a public Assistance grant. It's $250,000 at a 7525% cost match to. 01:26:42
Help the county to recover costs. 01:26:50
Umm. 01:26:52
HP 2001 was passed with $100 million for wildfire mitigation, specifically 36 million of that to post fire flood mitigation. 01:26:54
To date, Heather County has received. 01:27:02
Or been approved for $13,305,814.87. 01:27:05
Little bit better than $250,000. So we decided to go that route instead it it's been. 01:27:13
Hugely successful. 01:27:20
Was a bit of a learning curve in the beginning, trying to figure out what that process is going to be like, because this is 01:27:22
something that's never been done before. So Michael and I actually had quite a few, quite a few meetings with DFM, who was the 01:27:27
host agency for that money. 01:27:32
The state Department of Emergency Management. 01:27:38
Was kind of the middle person. We would send the request to them and they would. 01:27:41
With the request for to DFM and review with them to render a decision. 01:27:45
The process that was used was what we call a 213 R It's an ICS form for a resource request that's typically used in an emergency 01:27:49
for emergency resources. 01:27:54
Um. 01:28:00
Emergency Management kind of became the conduit for that because that's the system that we use regularly in emergencies. Every 01:28:01
single project and every dollar that you see there went through just in here. 01:28:07
So yeah, Justin was the 213 guy. 01:28:14
Every single request was filtered from him. 01:28:17
To the state Office of Emergency Management and to TF. 01:28:22
Um, kind of a breakdown. 01:28:26
And I'll go into the more specifics of what that funding was used for. 01:28:29
Contractual services $1.6 million Emergency road work 210,000, Equipment 685,000. 01:28:32
Private property mitigation. 01:28:41
Four million, 4.3 million. 01:28:43
Public works projects 4 million and waterway mitigation 2.3 million. 01:28:47
Umm. 01:28:54
It should also be noted here that we did work with the municipalities to kind of serve as a a middle again conduit for receiving 01:28:57
those funds. 01:29:01
So the Town of Miami receives $204,000 in projects from the City of Globe 341,000. 01:29:06
Umm, But there also be noted that this funding is a payer of last resort. 01:29:14
So though it is a statewide fund, any counties that's. 01:29:18
Got a federal declaration or even a state declaration? Had to access that money first before reaching out for this money. 01:29:25
So our position benefit us because we did not qualify for a federal declaration. So we were able to access this funding directly. 01:29:32
So Carl, if you would? 01:29:36
Could you explain that to folks why we weren't? 01:29:42
Qualifying for FEMA. 01:29:44
So. 01:29:47
Yes. So for a FEMA declaration, I believe the total at the time and it fluctuates from year to year is around $11 million of 01:29:48
damages. 01:29:52
That damage calculation does not calculate private property, and it does not calculate debris removal. 01:29:58
So for example, if you look at like the hospital bridge, it was covered in 4 foot of material. Underneath it was a. 01:30:03
Horse trailer, they got shoved under there. 01:30:11
We cleared it off underneath. The bridge is still intact. 01:30:14
So that running total for the damages there is 0. 01:30:17
Um, So we did not qualify for it for that reason. And that's that's what puts rural counties in kind of a unique position because 01:30:20
for an emergency to cause us $11 million? 01:30:25
And damages their loss. 01:30:30
Is extremely tough, not counting. 01:30:32
Private property and if, if I may, Mr. Chair. 01:30:34
And and it's per incident. 01:30:38
Correct. Not together. So the one fire caused all these floods. 01:30:41
But that does not mean that it's all, I mean it was each individual Creek. 01:30:46
Like. 01:30:51
Like Russell. 01:30:52
And six Shooter. Those are two separate. 01:30:54
Entities 2 separate occasions. 01:30:56
Even though they were caused by the same fire. 01:30:59
Each one of those were individual. Which each individual. 01:31:02
Flooding did not add up to the $11 million. 01:31:06
And that's what I'm frustrated with, with our federal government. 01:31:11
Is. If it's caused by 1 fire, it should all be under that to total. 01:31:14
The 11 correct, and not only that, but the weather events that follow have to be within 72 hours of each other to be qualified as 01:31:20
the same incident. 01:31:24
And this event did not play in our favor there. It was almost perfectly spaced that we had events 72 hours apart. Yeah, but, but, 01:31:30
but those are lines that should not be there in, in my opinion, because the damage is there. 01:31:36
And it's going to be there for five years. 01:31:43
Because that's how long they estimate it's going to take to grow back, so. 01:31:46
Yeah, it it, it should. 01:31:51
It should be. Those lines should be erased. 01:31:53
In my opinion. 01:31:56
I agree and it's unfortunate that again like you said, that running total does not go from fire to flood to flood, it's it's per 01:31:58
event. 01:32:02
And I think there were only like two or three of the storm events that we were able to lump together into one event, but we 01:32:06
weren't, we weren't coming close to that 11,000,000. 01:32:10
Which in this particular case would have been devastating for us without that support. But this House bill money bridge to that 01:32:14
gap. 01:32:18
Umm. 01:32:23
In a sense that this this funding covers stuff that you can, that public assistance grant would have not and that statement. 01:32:24
Correct. 01:32:32
Yes. Yeah. So I mean, that needs to be done too, because state money is what saved our bank and not federal money, correct. 01:32:33
The state money really saved us and bridged the gap here. And another thing that I need to point out with this is this allowed us 01:32:41
to do some work. 01:32:45
On private property which that public assistance grant money would not have allowed, correct? 01:32:51
The other thing is that that bill I'd like to point out is if I'm not mistaken, Carl, if I am, correct me but. 01:32:59
That House bill was passed. 01:33:04
By everyone. I don't think there's anybody opposed to that bill. 01:33:07
I remember right. 01:33:10
I I'm not certain. Yeah. So you know, when it comes to our legislators and people like that, they they all kind of banded together 01:33:12
to push that one through and. 01:33:16
And thank God they did, because it would have been tough without it. 01:33:21
Yeah. We didn't have statement any. We wouldn't have anything. Yeah, impossible. And that needs to be noted and I'm. 01:33:25
Yeah, it really does. Exactly. 01:33:31
So we'll go into some of the breakdowns of those individual line items such as the contractual services, so $1.6 million. This was 01:33:35
for Hydrology Consulting. 01:33:40
Uh, that's when we had Ju Fuller around explaining to us. I mean, it's nice to have the teams bear team. 01:33:46
That comes in after the fire and explains what their priorities are. The forest. 01:33:51
JE Fuller came and provided information that's priority was heel account, so that was hugely helpful for us. 01:33:56
It was nice to be able to, you know wake up to a flood alert at 2:00 in the morning and pull up a camera and see what that 01:34:02
actually looks like. I'm, I'm a visual person. I understand seeing something better and having those cameras on those streams and 01:34:09
being able to hear the the weather warning and see what's actually going on helped us tremendously with the with the alerting 01:34:16
system. So that hydrology consulting was huge. That also includes engineering consulting for projects that required engineering. 01:34:23
Emergency road work. So this is another one that Michael and I went back and forth with DFM on. 01:34:32
We ended up getting approval for emergency road work and emergency Rd. clearing, even on private roads. 01:34:39
For the sake of accessing properties, because you know if you if you have a home. 01:34:46
That has a low water crossing and it's got 4 feet of sediment and is impassable and you call 911 because you're having a medical 01:34:50
emergency. 01:34:54
You're you're not accessible for them. 01:34:58
So we got that approved to basically. 01:35:00
Get contractors in to just clear roads and make them pass. 01:35:03
Equipment There were several equipment rentals approved some equipment purchases. 01:35:10
That made it better to prepare and we were going from prepare, response, recovery over and over with each storm. 01:35:16
Because as soon as the storm goes through and deposits debris, that debris is now a potential hazard for the next storm event. So 01:35:23
getting having these equipment rentals and having these contractors come in was huge for us, getting debris removed and preventing 01:35:28
future floods. 01:35:33
Private property mitigation was a huge one and another back and forth, and I apologize for the quality of the pictures. Those are 01:35:40
a little tough to see. 01:35:43
But. 01:35:48
When it came to the private property, again this is an area where, with a typical public assistance grant, we would not be able to 01:35:49
assist. We would rely purely up with coordination of those NGO's. 01:35:54
Which we still did have some of. 01:35:59
So through meetings with DFM that they they agreed that they would fund through this House bill the removal of debris from the 01:36:02
property because it creates a potential hazard for anything downstream. 01:36:08
Um, We also had Team Rubicon who was there helping people to clear out the insides of their property. So we're able to kind of 01:36:14
bridge that gap. The insides of the properties were mapped out by a volunteer organization that we brought in the outside of the 01:36:19
property. The debris was removed. 01:36:24
By contractors funded through this bill and we we let the residents be in control of that. So if your property was flooded and say 01:36:29
there's a lot of scenarios where properties themselves, the homes weren't damaged. 01:36:35
But they had four feet of sediment on their property. We saw 40 foot pine trees laying down on properties, Volkswagen sized 01:36:42
boulders and that's on the upstream properties. 01:36:48
The downstream properties got what was left. They got that just packed silt. 01:36:54
That, you know, creates breathing issues for for vulnerable populations because it it. 01:36:58
Solidifies and basically turns into talking powder. It gets airborne and it creates breathing issues. Your vehicles will get stuck 01:37:03
in it. It's it's pretty gnarly stuff, so we were able to get. 01:37:08
Process established where the homeowner contacts. 01:37:14
Us. We give them a list of certified contractors. 01:37:18
They get a quote. 01:37:21
We go out and pay. We do a site visit where we look at the project and look at the property and make sure that those two coincide 01:37:23
with each other. We would get that project approved and move in. And we do the same thing at the end, just to make sure that the 01:37:29
work was done in the way that it said it was going to be in that quote. 01:37:35
Ohh, we were able to get quite a few of. 01:37:44
Steve at the time then homeros projects approved for Creek and watershed improvement. 01:37:48
About $4 million worth of that. 01:37:53
And then, uh, waterway mitigation projects. And this one's pretty easy to describe because this was that initial. 01:37:57
We hired every contractor we could and put them in the creeks to clear stuff out and that makes a huge difference because we think 01:38:04
some of the creeks you see images of. 01:38:08
The water is right there at the top of the Creek. 01:38:12
And before that, we had removed tons and tons of debris from those creeks. So that water that was at the cap of the Creek would 01:38:15
have been above and beyond and we would have worse flooding had that work not been done. 01:38:21
I'm going into just other really only two big notable things that didn't fall into the other categories. One of them was we were 01:38:30
able to. 01:38:34
Fund a a couple of private. 01:38:39
Contracted employees that were able to help us with those site visits because at some point, you know, they became a lot for 01:38:42
Justin and I to go out and take all those pictures and. 01:38:47
And kind of be that liaison with the contractors and employees. So we were able to hire 2 contracted employees. One of them 01:38:51
specifically went out and photographed and did the site visits. The other was more of a liaison and did the documentation portion 01:38:59
of it. Now we're down to one contract employee who does both, but things have slowed down. So he's doing a lot of the 01:39:06
documentation and prep work for the audit, which we will undoubtedly see at some point in the future. 01:39:13
We did meet with DFM and provided them the documentation that we have. Justin's done. 01:39:22
Wonders with the financial documentation and. 01:39:28
Our contract employee with filing of all the photos and everything, So what we send the DFM is a fraction of the actual 01:39:31
documentation we have. 01:39:35
Our last meeting with DFM, they asked us to begin to prepare something like that and we showed them what they what we had and 01:39:40
they're actually going to use that with the other counties as kind of a template of how to properly document. 01:39:46
Turn around. 01:39:53
So this is where Carol's presentation would have been. But she already did that. Those are some of the images from her property. 01:39:56
And uh, I mean words cannot. 01:40:03
Express the amount of just debris and devastation on her property. I mean it absolutely just. 01:40:05
Reformed. 01:40:13
The watershed out there and destroyed. 01:40:15
Pretty much every little bit of infrastructure, roadway and everything that she had. So hers was one of the larger debris removal 01:40:17
projects we were able to get approved. The contractor went in there and basically just took everything that didn't belong out so 01:40:24
that the Creek could do what it's naturally supposed to do. We had a lot of scenarios with the Creek zig where it should have 01:40:31
zagged and caused a lot of devastation like this. So these pictures of what her property looked like before. 01:40:38
And this is what it looked like after. 01:40:45
Had to throw the cow in there for aesthetic. I apologize, but an important part of the presentation. 01:40:48
But we were able to get that debris off of there and. 01:40:54
Kind of got out the Creek and put it back to what it looked like before and make it a little bit more prepared for future events. 01:40:58
Um, there's been significant rain since. 01:41:04
Your property looks like this. 01:41:07
I'm happy to say it still looks like that. So you know, she's still got issues with her road and everything and we're trying to 01:41:09
find solutions for that, but. 01:41:13
Right now, this is what her property looks like and is able to keep her in business with that. 01:41:17
Next speaker I wanted to bring up. 01:41:23
Jane Hale. 01:41:25
She was one of the most impacted by the post fire flooding and it was again a case where the Creek just too much force blew out 01:41:28
one side. 01:41:32
And her property became part of the Creek when it is not naturally that way. So Jane, if I could bring you up here to. 01:41:37
Tell your story. 01:41:45
Come on up, Jane. 01:41:46
That's my hero right there. 01:41:57
Absolutely. I I believe you had national attention on your house. If I'm not mistaken, we had film crews there. 01:42:00
And. 01:42:09
For some some reason, I stood on our porch which was 3 foot above. 01:42:11
Ground but right at the edge of the flood level and took a video. 01:42:18
Which Janet Klein Air dropped onto YouTube and it received national attention. It is still on YouTube. 01:42:23
But looking at this photo kind of takes me back to this time, which I try not to relive, but I'm going to today. 01:42:31
To tell you what happened. 01:42:38
We had taken precautions on our property. 01:42:41
For fire by grazing our cattle intensively around the house as well as clearing off all dead and down. 01:42:45
And it turned out to be a good thing because on the 5th of June. 01:42:52
The Telegraph Fire came roaring. And I mean, if you have ever heard a firestorm, it has its own sound. 01:42:58
It sounds like a train. 01:43:07
And there was smoke and fire in the air. 01:43:10
That it got right to the edge of Mcspadden's property. They owned the 20 acres below us. 01:43:13
And it split. 01:43:19
And it went down towards Miami and it went up towards the Gibson. 01:43:21
But it left our private acreages untouched. 01:43:26
Hand to God, I swear, is all that could have, really. 01:43:30
Besides cows. 01:43:34
Have saved us. 01:43:36
After the fire. 01:43:38
We didn't dilly dally around. We went and put up. 01:43:40
You can see those barriers that are still there. We put 24 of those behind our garage. 01:43:45
As well as had Frank Damon put. 01:43:52
A ****. A dirt dye cat. 01:43:55
And we thought we were golden and for maybe 3 floods we. 01:43:58
We were. 01:44:01
But then on the 29th of July at 2:10 in the afternoon. 01:44:03
The Columbia River came. 01:44:08
In over 6, four to six inches of rain fell on Madeira Peak in a microburst. 01:44:11
And. 01:44:20
Madeira Peak all drains into Penal Creek. All of this. 01:44:21
This is Pinole Creek. This is the other side of where Carole's operation is where on the West End of the panels. 01:44:26
And. 01:44:35
That entire area that you can see that's flooded there. 01:44:37
Is now well or was Kennel Creek? 01:44:41
Not originally, but after that flood. 01:44:45
The. 01:44:53
The Day of the Flood. 01:44:54
The **** washed out. 01:44:57
The barriers, Those barriers weigh £2000 and they float. 01:44:59
They most of them went down the Creek, as did our garage. 01:45:05
With a side by side. Fortunately I had gotten out there in the rain and moved our car and our truck. 01:45:10
But the side by side in our friends half ton truck. 01:45:18
The garage itself, all our tools. 01:45:22
Down Pinal Creek. 01:45:25
And and just gone some things we've never even found parts of. We did not lose any cattle. 01:45:28
Like Carol, our cattle were saved. 01:45:35
Because we. 01:45:39
They had put them in a higher pasture. 01:45:41
At which they got out of because it all washed out. You can see them in this picture but. 01:45:45
They were saved. 01:45:51
You are Healer County sponsored a meeting out at the fairgrounds. 01:45:56
After all of this took place. 01:46:00
And. 01:46:04
I That's where I met Carly and I saw that you had. 01:46:05
Appointed him the head of Emergency Management. 01:46:09
In my own mind, I was convinced that the only thing that would save our house from future flooding because the Creek had kind of 01:46:13
changed. 01:46:17
Was a concrete floodwall. 01:46:21