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  • 1. CALL TO ORDER - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE   2. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS:
  • A. Information/Discussion regarding the Gila County Industrial Development Authority’s mission, vision, and future projects. (Mac Feezor)
  • B. Information/Discussion regarding post-fire flood mitigation projects funded through HB 2001. (Carl Melford/Carol Ptak/Jane Hale)
  • C. Information/Discussion regarding a partnership initiative and options for removing dilapidated RVs, vehicles, and travel trailers from the forest. (David LaForge/Cole LeBonte)
  • D. Information/Discussion regarding the Federal Program Progress Report. (Maryn Belling)
  • 3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC:  A call to the public is held for public benefit to allow individuals to address the Board of Supervisors on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Board members may not discuss items that are not specifically identified on the agenda. Therefore, pursuant to Arizona Revised Statute § 38-431.01(H), at the conclusion of an open call to the public, individual members of the Board of Supervisors may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Board, may ask staff to review a matter or may ask that a matter be put on a future agenda for further discussion and decision at a future date.
  • 4. At any time during this meeting pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.02(K), members of the Board of Supervisors and the County Manager may present a brief summary of current events.  No action may be taken on the information presented.   5. EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS:
  • A. Information/Discussion/Action to vote to go into executive session pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.03(A)(3) for discussion and consultation for legal advice regarding an Intergovernmental Agreement with the Gila County Provisional Community College District and for the Board to provide direction to the attorney(s). (Jessica Scibelli)   IF SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS ARE NEEDED, PLEASE CONTACT THE RECEPTIONIST AT (928) 425-3231 AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO ARRANGE THE ACCOMMODATIONS. FOR TTY, PLEASE DIAL 7-1-1 TO REACH THE ARIZONA RELAY SERVICE AND ASK THE OPERATOR TO CONNECT YOU TO (928) 425-3231. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE BOARD’S ATTORNEY ON ANY MATTER LISTED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3). THE ORDER OR DELETION OF ANY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA IS SUBJECT TO MODIFICATION AT THE MEETING.
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Alright, weather looks good and Payson beautiful day. 00:01:02
Excellent. Ohh, go ahead and call meeting to order. 00:01:07
Choose the. 00:01:12
August 29th and it's a little after 10:00. And sheriff, you you want to lead us in the pledge? 00:01:14
He turned. 00:01:19
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:24
And generate Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:29
Thanks, Jeff. 00:01:38
So today's meeting is a work session, which I for one really, really like because we can kind of kick back and talk about stuff, 00:01:43
ask questions. And so hopefully we'll have some really good discussions today. 00:01:49
So we'll kick it off with 2A under regular agenda items and that is information discussion. 00:01:56
Regarding the Healer County Industrial Development Authority's mission, vision and future projects. And we have Mac. 00:02:03
You're presenting, I guess, this morning or Cliff, which one? 00:02:10
Both of you. 00:02:14
OK. 00:02:17
OK, come on up to the podium there and. 00:02:19
Well, we'll talk about the industrial. 00:02:23
Development. 00:02:26
Alright ohh. 00:02:32
What we had was just basically a report the last time that we directly reported to this. 00:02:35
Board of Supervisors. 00:02:40
Was two years ago. 00:02:42
Almost. 00:02:43
And so since then, there's been significant reorganization of the board. 00:02:44
You need that right into the record as to who we have or absolutely OK all. 00:02:49
Max fees or. 00:02:55
President. 00:02:56
So heavily, Vice President Bob Pastor, who is, I think I tell you, telephonically. 00:02:57
Is our treasurer secretary. 00:03:03
Plus parts his member. 00:03:06
Tim Greer Member. 00:03:09
You're on McLaren member? 00:03:11
Joe Wilson. 00:03:13
Member. 00:03:15
Jeanette Herrera. 00:03:16
Member shall be Borrowdale member and. 00:03:17
We've just selected a new executive director who is going to be a full time staffer. 00:03:20
And that's, uh, Lexi Mossy. 00:03:25
OK, uh, she's replacing Sandy Palmer. 00:03:28
Umm. 00:03:32
And the first thing I want to say is thank you for getting us back up to full strength because. 00:03:34
Getting a quorum and and meeting and doing business has been. 00:03:38
Difficult because we all have other jobs. 00:03:41
And getting the quorum together has been. 00:03:44
Challenging, to say the least. 00:03:47
This new board first met in December of 2022. 00:03:49
And since then, we've met. 00:03:54
Five times. 00:03:55
Of mainly to. 00:03:56
Introduce each other ourselves to each other and. 00:03:59
To go over the history of what we have been doing. 00:04:03
And what we want to do in April? 00:04:06
We had an all day meeting down in Paddle Basin where we got together face to face. 00:04:09
And kind of did an analysis of the projects that we've had, what worked, what didn't work. 00:04:13
What strengths we saw, what weaknesses we saw, opportunities and. 00:04:20
Threats with those opportunities that we tried to. 00:04:24
Make assignments on that. 00:04:27
With the current board, we have strengths, real good strengths in real estate. 00:04:30
Contracting, insurance, project management and technology. 00:04:34
So pretty good understanding of that. 00:04:38
And these ideas. 00:04:40
Cover a lot of what can be done in Healing County. 00:04:44
You're. 00:04:48
I don't know if everybody's familiar with the term limiting factor, but. 00:04:50
It's that which is necessary for growth that is in the shortest supplies but limits your your growth. 00:04:54
And for a plant that might be water or soil conditions or sunlight. 00:04:59
In our conditions. 00:05:05
It's infrastructure technology such as. 00:05:07
Up in northern Heeler County, we were really limited. 00:05:11
For years with a shortage of broadband. 00:05:15
It went out. It was located ability that we've worked long and hard on that. 00:05:20
And that was actually one of the. 00:05:25
Projects that the idea undertook. 00:05:28
Was to. 00:05:31
Help with their Broadband Consortium to bring. 00:05:33
Additional sources of broadband. 00:05:37
Into the area. 00:05:40
Which was successful with Sparklight, and now we have others. 00:05:42
Come again? We're still supporting. 00:05:46
That effort, but now through a more localized. 00:05:49
Channel called Digital Pace and Working Group. 00:05:52
Which also extends through. 00:05:56
The entire northern area. 00:05:59
And we're touching on stuff that goes down as far as. 00:06:01
The Tunnel Basin and Young. 00:06:05
Not so much down in the South here. 00:06:09
That we are available. 00:06:11
The. 00:06:12
Um, he rates program. 00:06:13
Kind of. 00:06:16
Fed off of that and we were part of that and happy to do so. 00:06:17
Weaknesses. 00:06:23
That we really saw was the lack of a full time staffer to keep track of things and keep things moving. 00:06:25
Which we have addressed. 00:06:30
We went out and advertised for what we needed. 00:06:32
And received. 00:06:36
4. 00:06:38
Applicants and we had a subcommittee interview. 00:06:39
And we approved Lexie and. 00:06:42
This last meeting we unanimously. 00:06:45
Agreed to employ her. 00:06:47
And she will be a. 00:06:49
Not an employee, excuse me, not employed, but a contractor. 00:06:51
So that we don't have to deal with all the employee issues. 00:06:56
Sandy was an employee and that goes tangled up with some of the tax stuff. So we're avoiding that this time around. So Medicare, I 00:07:00
mean, I'm gonna do something a little different in this work session. So if either one of you have questions as we're going along 00:07:03
through here. 00:07:07
For Mac or whoever's president representing. 00:07:12
Ask him. 00:07:14
It's. 00:07:15
The thing I like about work sessions is, is we're not as formal as we are on a normal meeting. So that's that's the beauty of 00:07:16
this. 00:07:20
So I do have a question for as far as LEXIS is concerned, where's her office or where is your office going to be? 00:07:23
That is to be determined right now. She will. 00:07:31
Set up her office down here somewhere. 00:07:34
Probably working out of her house, which is OK we do not have. 00:07:37
A permanent office. 00:07:41
There is is no location. It was previously in Fred Barcones construction office, right. We've pulled all the records out of there 00:07:44
right now. 00:07:48
All of the records and stuff that we are in Payson. 00:07:52
We've got a project going on to digitize all of that stuff so that it's searchable. 00:07:56
We pulled twenty boxes. 00:08:01
The banker boxes. 00:08:03
Of paper files. 00:08:05
Good. We're we're digitizing all of that stuff. Good. Making it searchable. 00:08:07
Yeah. 00:08:10
Course, so she's welcome to. 00:08:12
Located up there, but I think she lives down here and would prefer not to have to travel up the basin. I'm just curious if you 00:08:15
guys were gonna actually have a physical office or just, you know, work from home. A lot of people working from home these days 00:08:21
because of the Internet. I believe it'll be virtual until such time as we need. 00:08:26
A business office. We just didn't see the expense. 00:08:32
Being worth it, Sure. 00:08:35
We're willing to take suggestions on that if that's something we need. 00:08:39
Mr. Chairman. 00:08:42
Yeah. 00:08:43
I believe that the hope or the anticipation is, is that the Michelson building downtown. 00:08:45
Once that's remodeled is that's the perfect spot, it's. 00:08:50
That facility that this county owned. 00:08:52
Will be used for. 00:08:55
Entrepreneurs or small businesses to strengthen support of the Small Business Administration. 00:08:58
Tends to have an office in there city, globe and and. 00:09:04
Resolution and. 00:09:08
Others that will be. 00:09:09
Housing just single offices in that location with the intent of supporting strengthening. 00:09:12
And given to the local economy, to local businesses, so. 00:09:19
Industrial Development Authority would have a natural fit there and in speaking to. 00:09:23
Putting that together, there's a. 00:09:29
To be a spot. 00:09:32
Reserve for an Industrial development ordinance. Of course, that may be another. 00:09:33
6-9 months before that is completely remodeled. 00:09:38
I I haven't gone by to see the roof, but the roof was being put on and. 00:09:41
That should be honor in place now. 00:09:46
So we're making progress and. 00:09:48
We working with City Golf for that remodel. 00:09:51
Ohh, good, good deal. But that hope and the intent. 00:09:54
Yeah. Which Chairman, can I also ask you if Mac Affleck, Lexie was here, could you? 00:09:58
It's morning. 00:10:05
The new executive Director of the. 00:10:07
Congratulations. Yeah. 00:10:11
I think. 00:10:12
Yeah. 00:10:13
That's yet to be determined, she she's enthusiastic, though. 00:10:14
So. 00:10:18
Go ahead, Tim, question it. It. 00:10:19
Is is Lexi in charge of doing it? 00:10:21
Ohh, digitizing of those records? No, Right now they're in the Berkshire Hathaway. 00:10:23
Home Services. Advantage Realty. That's the full title office. 00:10:31
In patient. 00:10:34
And Tori Martinez. 00:10:36
Has been contracted to do that. 00:10:38
She's our office admin. We we didn't have Lexie on board yet. OK, but should Lexie kind of oversee what she thinks needs to be on 00:10:40
record or not? I mean cause those records go back a long time and I don't know that all of it would be necessary to. 00:10:47
Have available with it the way that the way the boxes were put together, everything is mixed. We're taking everything. 00:10:54
And when it's done, we'll index everything where it's searchable. 00:11:00
How do you feel about that, Lexie? 00:11:05
For my understand. 00:11:07
Would you mind coming up so that they can get you on the record? Like I said, this is open so. 00:11:09
And and anybody's got any questions please? 00:11:14
And I have attended one board meeting where they did vote me in. My name is Lexi Nosey, for those that may not have heard. 00:11:17
From my understanding, the person they're contracting with is digitizing everything as far as who is going to. 00:11:26
Sorted and and all that as far as that has. I don't have the answer to that, Mister. OK? 00:11:35
Ohk OK so I. 00:11:42
I I think she ought to be a part of that, certainly. 00:11:46
OK. 00:11:50
Yeah, other than. 00:11:51
You know. 00:11:52
Just like everything, maybe she could be helpful on what might help her be able to go forward. 00:11:53
We started this project knowing what equipment that Tori had available to her. 00:12:00
And the capabilities and we didn't know that Lexi would be in this position that she's in right now, OK. So we're already engaged 00:12:05
in this. 00:12:09
OK. 00:12:13
OK. 00:12:15
And and so. 00:12:15
OK. Yeah. So and and in a meeting you can. 00:12:17
Discuss it further now that you. 00:12:20
Have like the available words before you didn't. 00:12:22
That she can maybe play a bigger part in this and and maybe the board can see where where they want to go and what they want. 00:12:25
Um. 00:12:33
With the old files going forward. 00:12:35
So yeah. 00:12:39
So Mac, I got another question for you I guess but. 00:12:41
If, if you don't. 00:12:45
How often do you have somebody that just would walk into an office to talk to like Lexi on? 00:12:47
Project or something like that? Or is that always been dealt through? 00:12:53
You know, appointments or whatever. 00:12:56
Previously, Sandy dealt with all of that and she's the one that put the files together. 00:13:00
Over at Fred's office, like, say when they were retrieved from Fred's office. 00:13:06
Umm. 00:13:10
The folks that went over there did that, just put everything in boxes and brought it over. 00:13:12
So we're going box by box, OK? If we wanted to search out a particular project and all the history would have to go through twenty 00:13:16
boxes, right? 00:13:20
So but but what I was kind of getting at is not if you don't have a physical office space. 00:13:25
I mean, how often would it be somebody calls up Lexie and wants to walk in and talk about a project or a bonding issue or 00:13:32
something like that? I mean, how often do you get the off the street? 00:13:38
Visitors for IDEA in the past. 00:13:44
Of. 00:13:47
Not very often that I am aware of. It has typically been. 00:13:48
They would contact us through the. 00:13:52
The website, there's e-mail and and phone on the the website and say we're interested in this. 00:13:56
One of the. 00:14:02
Cross functional things that we did with the Discovery HeLa County. 00:14:04
Is there's, you know, jobs, board real estate. 00:14:07
And there is a link, said Ohh. If you if you came and visited and you want to start a business here, here's the idea and we have a 00:14:10
page. 00:14:14
On the discovery, Healer County. 00:14:19
And if you ask any further information, it takes you to the Ida. 00:14:21
Website. 00:14:24
And they can contact us through there. 00:14:26
And we've received a couple of e-mail inquiries which we have answered. 00:14:29
Through that good. And so the. 00:14:33
We had we had to peel everything off of what had been going to an old. 00:14:37
Laptop. 00:14:42
And and to basically to something that Sandy controlled. 00:14:44
And we moved it to a new. 00:14:48
The website. 00:14:51
New e-mail address. 00:14:52
Everything is switched over. Not that we have any complaints about Sandy doing something, but we just didn't want the accusation. 00:14:54
To be there that ohh she's peeking in it. 00:15:03
Because she then works at a company that does consulting. 00:15:05
For some of the projects that we do. 00:15:08
And we just didn't want her in that position. Sure. 00:15:10
Yeah. 00:15:14
Just one more. And how about how long do you think it'll take you to digitize those boxes? 00:15:16
We've been on it for a couple of. 00:15:24
Weeks now and understand this is not her full time job. She's doing this. 00:15:27
In between things, but we've got about 3 out of 20 done so far. 00:15:31
And I'm going to start indexing these. She just cut me a copy of the database. I'm going to start in to escalate on that and make 00:15:35
sure that we can. 00:15:38
Go through recovery bit as much as possible. We're also doing OCR which is Optical Character Recognition. 00:15:42
So that if the title of the project doesn't isn't sufficient. 00:15:48
But we're looking for someones name. 00:15:53
In it. 00:15:55
That we'll have, That your records that you keep here are all digitized and searchable in that fashion. 00:15:56
And we want to remove. 00:16:03
Or want to move ourselves to the same level of professionalism? 00:16:05
HeLa County. 00:16:09
And here's before that has not been possible. 00:16:10
OK, Mr. Chair, I'm done. Thank you, mate. 00:16:14
Once you put your presentation that we'll have more questions unless you that was kind of where you're at or? 00:16:17
Well, we were just going to talk about the things that were going on of must do in the digitizing, which has been addressed. 00:16:23
And the other is. 00:16:29
You know, we already talked about the Broadband Consortium. 00:16:31
And the fact that tourism is a big thing and we've already brought up Discovery Health County. 00:16:34
So that that was something that. 00:16:40
The Industrial Development Authority. 00:16:44
Got some grants to do some. 00:16:46
Publications. 00:16:48
Printed publications that covered. 00:16:49
Pamphlets. 00:16:51
That were distributed to cover tourism in the South. 00:16:52
And then the follow up to that was a second round of publications to include some from further north. 00:16:55
And it came with a component that we needed to do a website. 00:17:01
They got you need to do digital. 00:17:05
And when we examined that, we said this is something that can't be grant funded and started and stopped, started and stopped. 00:17:07
It's something that requires A continuous stream. 00:17:14
And so we put together a. 00:17:18
Committee. 00:17:20
And went up for request for quotes from our proposals from. 00:17:21
Various lenders. We had four that showed up one set off. I'm competing. I'm, I'm not doing it. 00:17:26
And the other three came in there. 00:17:31
The winner, obviously, was raised within media. 00:17:33
And they came and made a presentation to. 00:17:36
Mr. Manilov and Jackie Sanders. 00:17:41
About what we needed and it was decided that. 00:17:44
It was worthy of presenting to the board for request for funding. 00:17:48
You know what you've got now is 8. 00:17:53
It's a modern major awards in the. 00:17:55
Four or five years that you've been in operation and. 00:17:58
Tremendous amounts of traffic and. 00:18:01
And growth. 00:18:02
But it was spun off from the idea because that's a full time job. 00:18:04
We we are a conduit. We get things started, we get it running, but we're not the ones to. 00:18:10
To run the entire effort. 00:18:15
It is being. 00:18:17
Developed, maintained. 00:18:19
Enhanced. 00:18:21
And constantly updated by. 00:18:23
Razor thin media, right? 00:18:25
And they're they're doing a bang up job. 00:18:28
They are and. 00:18:30
So. 00:18:32
You know, with the website and everything that's been happening in the past behind us, what do we got? 00:18:33
That we're looking out for the future. How are you guys going to go about? 00:18:38
Getting some projects going in the future, that's actually going to be. 00:18:43
One of the tasks that we're setting for Lexi. 00:18:47
Yeah, we want to look for some grants. We we have been talking with Michael O'Driscoll. 00:18:50
On a project in the tri-cities area. 00:18:55
Where they're doing some updates on the facilities there from the housing. 00:18:59
For when they finished the. 00:19:03
The price City Regional Sanitary District. 00:19:06
Of people being able to upgrade to that, that's. 00:19:09
Then discussed we've had. 00:19:13
A couple of meetings and discussions with that and it's on hold while we're waiting for. 00:19:15
The. 00:19:20
Funding. 00:19:21
For that one to come through. 00:19:22
But that's on our table. We're looking for things that we can do. 00:19:23
Where we can leverage the experience we have with the board and. 00:19:27
Projects low income housing. 00:19:31
When we talk about those limiting factors. 00:19:34
If you have. 00:19:37
Jobs available, but nobody to fill the jobs. You can't make progress. 00:19:40
If you have people are coming in when I first moved to page. 00:19:44
One of the big contingents there was. 00:19:48
Uh. 00:19:51
Getting people a place to live. 00:19:52
Who were coming there to work that weren't retirees with independent resources. 00:19:54
If they're going to live there and go to school there. 00:19:59
You have to have these resources for them. 00:20:02
And we're looking at. 00:20:05
How to do that? 00:20:07
And that will be one of the projects we want to focus on. 00:20:08
So low income housing is a big issue. 00:20:13
Yeah, yeah, North and South, North and South, it doesn't matter countrywide. Yes, having a place to live is a big issue. The what 00:20:16
we were used to in the past as far as like rental availabilities are no longer out there because of the short term rental housing. 00:20:23
Bush. 00:20:31
Trust me so as as a realtor. 00:20:32
And I have somebody call and say I'm looking for a place to rent. 00:20:34
I wish them well. Yeah, exactly. We deal with property management companies and we tell them that. 00:20:37
Get on the list. 00:20:42
Yeah, you're you're gonna wait for somebody to. 00:20:43
Move out or move up or a new property to come online because everything. 00:20:47
And patient. 00:20:52
Area where I work, everything. 00:20:53
Is not. 00:20:56
Had something said I I've got a job there. I just need a place to stay. 00:20:57
I had to tell him I I don't see it. We helped him look for a week. Umm, he and his family looked. They could not find a spot. 00:21:01
Right. 00:21:08
And so, Lexi, you want to answer some more questions. 00:21:08
It'll be easy for you. 00:21:14
OK. 00:21:15
I will do my best. So you grew up around here? I did. So what can we do to Round Globe in the southern part of Utah County? 00:21:16
Umm, as far as I I've been fortunate enough to work in my past position through it was called EC in the northern and Southern. 00:21:24
Areas of HeLa County, including. 00:21:32
Peace and Globe, Miami San Carlos. 00:21:35
And. 00:21:38
Hayden Winkleman I'm a parent. I have. 00:21:39
Has three children who are in school. One just graduated or two? Well, I have two now that have graduated. 00:21:43
And I see as a parent, I see there's not enough opportunity for youth in any of our areas as far as what to do. I appreciate the 00:21:49
pool and we know that has limited hours and now that you know even the lifeguards are back in school, things like that. Obviously 00:21:54
as we drive around, we see a lot of. 00:22:00
Vacant buildings, areas that you know we would love to bring businesses into and hopefully we can find people that are wanting to 00:22:07
come in but just giving them the opportunity and helping them. 00:22:14
You know, down the line to get to that spot, I know a lot of times it's our buildings are dilapidated. 00:22:22
And they have a lot of work to do. 00:22:28
Getting the grant, the funding, the the bonds together so that it hopefully makes it a little bit easier for them to get in here. 00:22:30
And housing is a huge issue. 00:22:37
For everybody I. 00:22:39
You know, same thing we. 00:22:41
My past position we would bring in healthcare workers. 00:22:43
I'm on a short term basis from weeks to months and housing was a huge issue with them as well. 00:22:47
So. 00:22:53
Umm. And I also see the healthcare need. You know, we. 00:22:54
We want our. 00:22:57
Homegrown kids who grow up, go get their education and come back here. 00:22:59
So whether it's you know, northern or southern Henry County, so. 00:23:04
We have a lot of work to do. I'm looking forward, this is my first. 00:23:08
I would say official meeting as the Executive Director. So I haven't been able to meet yet with all of our board members and then. 00:23:11
Just to discuss for me it's to discuss with them what may be lingering projects or things that have been left because I know this 00:23:21
position has been open for about a year and a half. And so we have a lot of catching up to do kind of see where we're at and what 00:23:28
what our most important projects are going forward in the in the near future and then looking more at long term. 00:23:35
So. 00:23:42
So Lexi obviously and some projects you'll be working to some extent with us, but also there's the town councils, basin and globe. 00:23:44
And you even have Hayden and Winkleman as well, Superior included. And so. 00:23:52
I guess I I would assume that you're going to be making the rounds and talking to these council members and attending the council. 00:24:00
Meetings and stuff like that to see what? 00:24:06
Hopefully they have some goals to to maybe bring in some businesses and things like that. You know, I look at Globe and. 00:24:09
I was born here and been around here all my life, but Globe seems to just be setting here and the elevation is perfect and we have 00:24:16
a lot of people coming through. 00:24:20
But it doesn't seem like we have much as far as. 00:24:25
Business wise, I mean, we have less now than we did when I was a kid. Downtown Globe is really active when I was a kid. 00:24:29
A lot of that has to do with the and order everything in the world on Internet. Now I get it, but. 00:24:35
But there'd be there'd be nice to see some businesses you know like maybe a Home Depot or whatever it is that would Booker coming 00:24:41
in here. So these are things I I guess that you're going to be. 00:24:46
Kind of exploring that, right? 00:24:51
Absolutely. And with the help of the board and you know, the astronomical amount of knowledge that they have coming from their 00:24:54
professions, I I look forward to where we can tap into who, who they know that can help us get. 00:25:01
You know, going on these things, but also you know. 00:25:10
We see a huge difference with Southern Heela County and the businesses that come in here versus Northern Heela County and they're 00:25:14
they're the bigger businesses like the Home Depot for example. So maybe trying to understand or fill that gap as to why it works 00:25:20
there versus here what what we can do different here. 00:25:26
Just looking forward to how. 00:25:32
How how to work with? 00:25:36
People to find the gaps that we're missing and to fill those somehow I I don't see that being a short term project. Obviously it's 00:25:39
something you know that is is ongoing and it's something that we are going to need a lot of help with and through with HeLa 00:25:44
County, with the the cities and towns. 00:25:50
And but I do believe they have a lot of knowledge of what they're missing in their in their you know vicinity and and maybe seeing 00:25:55
where the ID A and the county can fill in those voids. So we definitely want to look towards what. 00:26:02
At. 00:26:09
What we can bring in and how we can sustain it for long term cool. 00:26:09
Tim, Steve. 00:26:15
Ohh I. 00:26:19
I've got a whole bunch of stuff. Ohh wait ohh wait. Never gonna get through the presentation. But you know, I yeah the, the. 00:26:21
The low income housing was brought up. 00:26:29
And then work. No place for people who work. There's a big difference between affordable living. 00:26:33
And low income housing. We have a lot of low income housing, but if you have a job you can't live there. So we need to look for. 00:26:40
Affordable living, not low income. We've we've got city clubs, but not a whole bunch of more low income. We we we need to be able 00:26:49
to have people. 00:26:54
That have a job. 00:26:59
A place to live. 00:27:00
Anyway, that's that's OK I that was just the statement you don't have to answer. But anyway I'm I'm done for now. Thank you. 00:27:02
So I can give a good example of like workers not being able to find a place to live and I was talking to the district Ranger and 00:27:10
pacing. 00:27:13
You know patients, tough property prices are high, as you all well know, and and rentals aren't available. He's got like 15 00:27:17
firefighters. 00:27:21
Camped out at Indian Gardens and Coles Ranch because they cannot find a place to live and pacing. 00:27:26
And. 00:27:31
And kind of amazes me sometimes until you really dive into and look at the. 00:27:32
Short term rental stuff. 00:27:36
The other the other issue that I have or that I don't have but I get thrown at me constantly is when you talk about low income 00:27:39
housing. 00:27:43
First thing I get from people in a lot of my my meetings is not my back. 00:27:47
And that makes it tough. 00:27:52
Makes it very tough. 00:27:54
I don't know that that's, you know. 00:27:55
Correct them to. 00:27:58
Vision that that way, but that's what I get. 00:27:59
And so I see big challenges there. 00:28:02
And I and I kind of wonder at things you know and and I'd like to see more businesses move into this southern part and and be 00:28:05
established here. 00:28:09
But everywhere I look there's help, wanted signs, people looking for people to work and there's nobody wants to work. So that's 00:28:15
the other side of that too. And and so I think you're gonna have a real challenging job, interesting job, real challenge. Yeah. 00:28:21
So. 00:28:28
That was one of the reasons that the Discover Hula County Jobs Board let's put together during the pandemic. 00:28:30
People were getting halftime and quarter time jobs and they put that in there so that they could. 00:28:36
Stack up some of these jobs and fill it. Mm-hmm. There's actually a member of our board at the time that wanted that. 00:28:42
She ran a. 00:28:47
Restaurant. 00:28:49
Bar and said I can't get people to come back to work. 00:28:50
Or if I get them, I I can only employ them just as much and so we put that job sharing board. 00:28:55
On there it's it's fairly well used right poster. 00:29:00
That's. 00:29:03
Have we found her? So are you up for more questions or you want to dive back? OK? 00:29:04
Explain to everybody your bonding. 00:29:09
The way you bond projects and and lend money or whatever you do, because there's a lot of people on YouTube right now that are 00:29:12
listening that doesn't understand, understand. Before you do that, I will throw one more thing out there as as three supervisors 00:29:17
for those of you that don't know. 00:29:22
Each one of us have members on this idea board that we appoint individually. 00:29:28
And that's the way the board is made-up and I'm really proud of all the members that are on there. You got good teams sitting 00:29:33
there and. 00:29:36
I'm pretty excited about that, but go ahead and explain some of those processes if you would please. For the general theory, I can 00:29:40
tell you, but for actual experience having done it, I'd like to talk with up here. 00:29:45
He is our. 00:29:51
What do you call it? Historical artifact? 00:29:53
As as the longest serving member of the Board. 00:29:56
Alright, so just have to. 00:30:02
And of course I'm at Max comments and I appreciate your comments as to I was appointed reappointed just recently by Supervisor 00:30:04
Christensen and. 00:30:08
And it's an honor for me to serve on the board. I think I've served on it since about 2011. 00:30:13
Served with the supervisor, Humphrey, on this board and appreciate the experience that you brought to it and what we've been able 00:30:19
to accomplish. I know we're. 00:30:24
Talking about bonding and we were. 00:30:28
Our board was established in 1972. 00:30:32
Under. 00:30:35
Relatively new federal legislation at the time that allowed the. 00:30:36
Development of industrial. 00:30:40
Authorities and we're here to support the economic development organization and the community and. 00:30:42
We. 00:30:50
We have our treasure, our funding. 00:30:52
Comes from issuing bonds and that when you issue a multi $1,000,000 bond there's a little bit of a premium that is charged by the 00:30:55
Industrial Development Authority for their role in usually being a conduit of between the bond buyers. 00:31:04
No. 00:31:14
And we issue the bonds, but the responsibility or the payment comes from the applicant, the developer, whether it's the industry, 00:31:15
whether it's the housing developer. 00:31:20
Or the revenue that's produced by the project that anticipated from the bonding? 00:31:26
And the nice thing about that is that the local governments. 00:31:33
Are not responsible for the payment of the bonds, and it you're specifically released by statute. 00:31:38
So our primary role is to be a conduit, that's where our existing treasuries come from, is an ASARCO bond for many years back of 00:31:47
over $50 million. 00:31:52
And that's the funding that we're using to operate and. 00:31:56
While we were able to get Lexie on board with us and we. 00:32:02
As pointed out, we've been without a director for a year and a half and. 00:32:07
That's really allowed some of the projects that we have in the pipeline to drop. I appreciate your comment about the downtown 00:32:11
globe we have been. 00:32:16
Diligently involved in the brownfields projects with the USDA. 00:32:20
David grants there to quantify, analyze and hopefully remediate some of the issues with prior. 00:32:26
Of service stations and things of that nature that left behind. 00:32:36
Uh. 00:32:40
There is need to be cleaned up. 00:32:41
And to. 00:32:43
Just to skip over to the affordable housing issue, it is critical. 00:32:47
We do have a role that we can play there and on on bonding. 00:32:51
And that we have the capacity or the ability to issue. 00:32:56
Both single Family Housing Bonds as well as. 00:33:01
The multi. 00:33:07
Family housing, you know, we do recognize the difference between. 00:33:08
Low income housing and workforce housing. 00:33:12
And workforce housing is just absolutely critical and I appreciate your comments Supervisor Humphrey that people that. 00:33:16
That are. 00:33:23
And the low income strata. 00:33:24
They're almost trapped there because if they work. 00:33:26
They lose their. 00:33:31
Health benefits that are housing benefits and so many others and so. 00:33:33
It creates a situation where those people can't even enter the workforce. 00:33:37
And or or they lose their living and that's a broader issue that. 00:33:42
Our idea doesn't have the capacity to solve. 00:33:48
But a lot of the multifamily. 00:33:51
Housing projects that were able to. 00:33:55
Issued bonds for if we were if we had the expertise and this goes to I was really excited to hear about the potential for an 00:33:58
office because. 00:34:03
Ohh with Lexie. 00:34:08
While we haven't needed an office for a couple of years because we didn't have the people. 00:34:09
And real estate. 00:34:14
You make your work. 00:34:16
And you grow into your work and that's why we're excited about having the new Executive Director is. 00:34:18
We're anticipating that work to be made. We're gonna grow into it and with an opportunity like having an office. 00:34:26
That helps with the. 00:34:33
Workplace. 00:34:35
The presence in the community as well as having a place to meet clientele. 00:34:36
And so we're. 00:34:41
With the. 00:34:43
We have that capacity. We do have to get the. 00:34:44
Approval of any of the local entities where we do. 00:34:47
Issue bonds for multi housing. 00:34:51
Or even single family housing. 00:34:54
But then in addition to that we have to get the notification and approval of the. 00:34:57
Arizona Finance Authority, and that's they've taken over the role of the Arizona Housing Finance Authority, where my experience in 00:35:02
bonding came from. 00:35:07
Because we issued bonds for all of rural Arizona. 00:35:12
For single family residential housing and then we also did participate. 00:35:15
To a great deal in multifamily housing, both on that whole reservation. 00:35:19
Down and. 00:35:24
No, Dallas, we did. 00:35:26
$30 million project and. 00:35:28
Quite a few others so. 00:35:31
Umm. 00:35:33
That is a very involved process. You do need good legal counsel. 00:35:34
Where we have counseled with us Council Kutak Rock, who is also the. 00:35:40
Legal Counsel the Bond Council for the. 00:35:48
Arizona. 00:35:51
Finance authority. 00:35:53
Yeah. 00:35:54
Quite often they may even pick up the banner for us and run. 00:35:55
The housing and that's what. 00:36:00
But Finance Authority did years ago in Nogales. 00:36:02
That's what we did up on the Navajo reservation in. 00:36:05
To the city. 00:36:08
So there's. 00:36:10
Great outreach opportunities for us in the bonding. 00:36:13
We may not have to engage in that expertise if we can. 00:36:16
Get the state to help us out. 00:36:20
And that's how we as. 00:36:22
That's the idea. One operators. We like to be conveners and we've heard Mac talk about some of the projects that we've convened. 00:36:26
And have come produced great results. 00:36:33
Yeah, and that's what we celebrate is we don't need to be. 00:36:36
The one out there doing it, but now that we have somebody that can do it. 00:36:41
We are in that role that we can carry through a lot of these projects, We just don't have to. 00:36:45
Step back and let somebody else carry the water. 00:36:51
So on on these these bonds, if you issue a bond and you you guys as the the industrial authority. 00:36:54
Are able to collect a percentage of that bond for your administrative part of it, so that kind of helps with. 00:37:01
With your, you know, Lexi or whoever else, it is in there. So people understand that we need to do that for for our organization. 00:37:07
We do usually on some of these grants, USDA grants, brownfields grants and those things. 00:37:15
We were able to get an administrative. 00:37:20
Hmm. 00:37:24
Stipend. Hmm. Yeah. And that helped. 00:37:25
Helped us keep the wheels rolling and that's what we're expecting from Lexi also is to is to help us with the big projects and 00:37:29
that's the what we do. But from day-to-day we still have to have those. 00:37:36
Other grants that we can facilitate and I mean the idea is to bring money into the county. 00:37:44
And we are county wide right so. 00:37:50
Cliff, with your your expertise and everything, when you know housing is one thing, whether it's workforce housing or low income 00:37:53
housing, what about businesses? 00:37:58
That, that's what the Industrial Development Authority is. We have some limited capacity. 00:38:05
But if there were a business that and to do a bond, just the expense of doing a bond. 00:38:10
You're usually looking at a very large issue, you know. 00:38:17
When I was on the Housing Finance Authority 20 years ago, we needed to do at least $10 million to pay the overhead of creating 00:38:21
that bond with the the. 00:38:26
The override that. 00:38:31
Finance authority got the bond, council it we you have to use three different. 00:38:34
Legal firms. 00:38:40
To do 1 bond issue plus then your developer. 00:38:41
Or applicant has their legal staff. It gets very involved and very expensive. We did have. 00:38:44
An opportunity to participate in the. 00:38:52
Cobre Valley Regional Medical Center and they tried to work with us and and we just weren't quite there with our we were having. 00:38:55
Competent. I mean they were competent, but we didn't have the expert legal staff on board and they were able to get their. 00:39:05
Bonding through the hospital finance authority because there's a lot of other. 00:39:14
Bond source. 00:39:20
Entities out there besides just the industrial development authorities, but we're up and running and we want to be active and we'd 00:39:22
be. 00:39:26
Very excited to undertake a project of the type and if we had a business that was looking to do a $10 million or $20 million 00:39:30
investment. 00:39:34
In the county. 00:39:39
We would be a natural conduit for the sheriff. 00:39:40
And so. 00:39:44
Uh. 00:39:46
That's. 00:39:48
Pretty. I was supposed to give a history. 00:39:49
Mike did a pretty good job of some of our accomplishments. So there's no sense in going into the history of it because really and 00:39:52
truly we are looking towards the future. 00:39:57
I just have to tell you, I'm just getting acquainted with the new board members. 00:40:03
I think we've gotten pretty bright future going forward and we do want to work together not speaking for the board. 00:40:07
Collectively, but I I think I I don't think they'll argue with me when they say we want to support the county. 00:40:15
In the economic development efforts going forward? 00:40:20
Tim, Steve. 00:40:25
Anything I would just like to say, I really appreciate you guys the presentation, the challenges that you face and. 00:40:26
The attitude you're taking toward that to try and really make a difference. 00:40:35
So I've met everyone, I think, and so it's a. 00:40:40
It's great to have you guys. I think it's really needed so. 00:40:45
Appreciate that. 00:40:49
As we go forward, you know, I mean we want to work with the county. 00:40:51
We again. 00:40:56
It's by working together that we can make something happen and then. 00:40:58
Also, that's by. 00:41:03
Us being able to administer projects is how we can. 00:41:05
Maintain our organization moving forward financially too. 00:41:08
Well, and I would personally say that if you want to keep in contact with. 00:41:11
Mr. Manlove, as far as if you need office space in globe or pay center both. 00:41:17
Maybe some of that would come up at some point. 00:41:23
OK. 00:41:27
Where we? 00:41:29
We're anticipating we are going to need that. 00:41:31
This was just absolutely. 00:41:33
News to me what Mr. Mandela mentioned this morning, but. 00:41:36
I can see. 00:41:39
In 69 months with the energy that we're investing, we'll be, yeah, in that position to do that space. 00:41:41
Um, yeah. Thank you guys. But yeah, kind of. I'm the, I'm the one that asked for this work session. 00:41:49
And the reason being is I wanted to get everybody on the same page. We have some new members with the industrial authority. 00:41:57
We have some new members on the Board of Supervisors. 00:42:04
And and I wanted to have this earlier, but but Mr. Manlove had had a. 00:42:07
An issue that I was waiting for him to get back. 00:42:14
And the reason being is because there's a lot of finance things that perhaps the county can help. 00:42:17
The ID a width and I want everybody to know that, that's why I invited the members. 00:42:23
And and members, thank you for being here because if you have questions as well of the Board of Supervisors or kind of where 00:42:28
you're at, what's the Industrial Development Authority or or where you want to go? 00:42:34
This is the time to do it because I, you know, I don't want it to be a dictatorship from the Ida or from the Board of Supervisors 00:42:40
because. 00:42:44
But together everybody achieves more and and so I want I called this so that everybody can get on the same page. 00:42:49
And I want to give Mr. 00:42:57
Men love our county manager Who is the? 00:42:58
Of. 00:43:02
Prove. 00:43:03
A proficient professional at finances, he's been in IT his whole career. 00:43:04
And and so I I want him to to input with you guys and and and with the new executive director. 00:43:10
For. 00:43:18
Like I said, to get everybody on the same page and to know that you can pick up a phone. 00:43:19
End call. 00:43:23
Mr. Men Love or or I I wanna be copied on emails from the idea amongst the members and things. I wanna know what the meetings. 00:43:25
Because I I feel like the last year or so. Um. 00:43:34
The the gears just aren't all working together. We we've got a vehicle there and we've got 3 tires off and some of the Pistons 00:43:38
aren't working and. 00:43:42
And that's OK. We we we can fix that. But we all gotta work together to fix that. 00:43:47
And we all got to get on the same page. 00:43:52
Knowing that we're kind of going the same direction and and that's why I called this meeting. 00:43:54
To kind of open open that can of worms and say ohh OK how? 00:43:59
How can I help you? 00:44:04
Um, as as a supervisor, how how can how can the county help you? 00:44:06
From a financial view, and Mr. Mainland will give that. 00:44:12
But you know, the Industrial Development Authority works in cooperation with the county. 00:44:16
Well, I I kind of haven't felt like we've been in cooperation. 00:44:22
And and I want to get there. I really do. I want to be in cooperation. I want. I wanna help. 00:44:26
Um, with with with projects going forward well, I want to be in the loop of what's going on and how I can help. 00:44:32
And uh. 00:44:40
Yeah, Mr. Chair, if Mr. Menlough could have a minute to kind of. 00:44:41
Kind of. 00:44:45
Because I I let him know. 00:44:47
And I wanted him to help with some of the finance experience and and and maybe we're able to do some things. Cliff you've been on 00:44:49
it for a long time that the even you weren't aware that we can help you with. 00:44:55
And and and I want the board members to know that and and just get everybody's mind. 00:45:01
Kind of, kind of going on the same page. 00:45:07
And uh. 00:45:09
You know, like I say I I was on the Industrial Development Authority before I was a supervisor and. 00:45:10
I remember when we presented. 00:45:15
You know discover heela county to the board prior and then it just. 00:45:17
Didn't get any response out of it, so I'm glad that that changed because it's been great for the county during COVID. 00:45:22
When everybody's tax revenues were going down, ours was going up because everybody was. 00:45:29
Coming here to enjoy Heela County and and they they did discover it and that was a great thing. There was a a presentation that 00:45:33
Mister Manilow did at the. 00:45:38
Chamber of Commerce. 00:45:44
Meaning of north. 00:45:46
The. 00:45:48
Patient round up had a thing, says. 00:45:49
That are. 00:45:51
Tourism revenue was up where everybody else was dropping and we don't know why. 00:45:53
He ran that as one of his slides and says, but we know why. And then he brought up the home page of Discovery HeLa County. 00:45:58
And it is because of the. 00:46:04
The fourth fight. 00:46:06
Of this group. 00:46:08
To realize that that business. 00:46:09
Tourism is a business. 00:46:12
That if you. 00:46:14
Organized it and funded this. 00:46:16
Development that it would go in, there are great things. 00:46:19
Speaking as having some inside knowledge of what goes on and discover HeLa County. 00:46:22
There's some even bigger things coming. 00:46:26
OK, well I'm, I'm glad you agree with me, but the reason I brought up the Discover Heela County is I want the ID A to be as 00:46:28
successful as Discover Heal County is. 00:46:33
And and so that's why that's why I kind of brought this meeting together and and right now in my conversation that's why I brought 00:46:38
that up is, is I would love the Industrial Development Authority to be as successful as Discover Heela County is. 00:46:46
And and anything I can do to help that And so Mr. Chair, if you don't mind, if Mr. Menlough could kind of. 00:46:53
Do some finances and maybe how we can help with you being successful. OK, if you want me to sit down and just listen or. 00:46:59
Hey there, Matt. OK, have more questions for you. Well, if you wanna, if you wanna pull up a chair. 00:47:07
Good, good. Go ahead. No, it doesn't matter. You. 00:47:12
You can set, you can do whatever, because I don't know what, Mr. Minelli. I can see a lot of paperwork on it over there. So how 00:47:15
long, how long Here, If we have any question, you can return to the to the podium. But yeah, if you don't mind, I would like to 00:47:21
maybe give some. 00:47:27
Financial help or or information to the Industrial Development Authority now that. 00:47:32
We're trying to get everybody on the same page. 00:47:39
Mr. Member, if you would please, Mr. Chairman, Supervisor Humphrey, thank you for a few minutes. 00:47:41
The Industrial Development Authority created by by HeLa County. 00:47:46
And is as you mentioned as you brought forward that it is in conjunction with Helen County. 00:47:51
But as you go through the statutes, there are numerous ways that the Industrial Development Authority. 00:47:58
Can be involved in economic development. 00:48:04
Through financing of. 00:48:07
A myriad of different. 00:48:09
Applications through, healthcare through. 00:48:11
Through education. 00:48:14
Through housing. 00:48:16
Housing is mentioned. 00:48:18
Throughout the the statutes of govern the Industrial Development Authority, and you've already brought that up. 00:48:20
One of the the things that are unique within Industrial Development Authority that the limitations and constraints. 00:48:26
That we have. 00:48:32
On us as a as a county government. 00:48:33
The Industrial Development Authority, those rules are. 00:48:37
Not as strict. 00:48:41
Meaning that an industrial development authority that they can buy properties. 00:48:44
Or develop. 00:48:48
As they call it a project throughout the statutes that. 00:48:50
The Industrial Development Authority could develop a housing project. 00:48:53
And that the industrial development story can actually. 00:48:57
Sell those properties or lease. 00:49:00
Properties. 00:49:03
So Industrial Development Authority can be an owner of a single family dwelling, multifamily dwelling, whatever it might be that 00:49:04
the Industrial Development Authority can be the owner of such properties and to lease those properties. 00:49:10
County government cannot. 00:49:17
Now the Industrial Development Authority is an incorporated government. 00:49:19
Meaning that they. 00:49:24
Or a governmental entity and they are a part of HeLa County. 00:49:26
One of the things that they. 00:49:30
Do you have that some of the procurement? 00:49:32
Rules. 00:49:35
That we have as a county government. 00:49:36
Because I know that we. 00:49:39
Had to deal with those, and some of the limitations are just stifling. 00:49:41
That we have on us as county government. 00:49:45
Those rules are somewhat relaxed, and in fact there's one statement in a statute that. 00:49:47
The procurement rules that we have do not apply to professional development for now. There are certain limitations, there are 00:49:53
certain things that. 00:49:56
All government entities have to comply with. 00:50:00
But there are some. 00:50:03
For your current procurement. 00:50:05
Laws and rules. 00:50:07
That the Industrial Development Authority is not as limited as we are. 00:50:09
And so. 00:50:14
There are things that we. 00:50:16
Collectively as a. 00:50:19
Industrial Development Authority and County Government by working hand in hand. 00:50:20
With the Industrial Development Authority that we can accomplish. 00:50:25
One of those in particular housing and that's. 00:50:28
Significant issue that we have had for a number of years. 00:50:31
It's even been exacerbated. 00:50:35
Over the last few years. 00:50:37
Because of COVID. 00:50:39
And the limitations that housing brought to not only everyone, but particularly to rural. 00:50:40
Arizona and Healer County. 00:50:46
Now I've. 00:50:49
Had a conversation with Patty Power yesterday. 00:50:51
And. 00:50:55
Expressed to her that housing. 00:50:56
Has got to be elevated to one of the highest. 00:50:59
Issues the highest priorities that we have in Hill County. 00:51:02
And so I've asked her to. 00:51:05
That we have got to jump in. 00:51:09
Head first, feet first. 00:51:13
Every way that we can. 00:51:15
To housing. And so I've asked her to give us and do whatever research there's there's money that's available there. 00:51:17
Of broadband money There's. Infrastructure money. For highways and streets, there's. 00:51:23
All kinds of money, but there's also money for housing. 00:51:27
And we have got to take advantage of that. So I'm thrilled, lucky to have you as another tool that we can work with. 00:51:30
Hand in hand, and he like county. 00:51:36
On the House and but I've asked Patty to give us. 00:51:38
Any information, anything that we can be able to? 00:51:41
Expand our ability to utilize the funding and to be able to. 00:51:45
As a governmental entity, to be able to influence, to be able to. 00:51:50
Expand to be able to grow. 00:51:54
And developed the housing that we have available here in Heela County. 00:51:57
So. 00:52:01
Industrial develop authorities as you've noted that they are set up for. 00:52:03
For financing. 00:52:08
To sell bonds and do other things like that. 00:52:09
But there's not just bonds, there's any. 00:52:11
The statutes describe any number of different methods any different. 00:52:14
Vehicles that can be used. 00:52:19
To develop, financing, develop projects. 00:52:22
And you'll think so. 00:52:24
Through banks, financial institutions, through bonds. 00:52:27
You name it. Whatever it is, it's available. 00:52:30
To an industrial development authority to look at all those opportunities for financing. 00:52:33
And look forward to working. 00:52:38
With the Industrial Development Authority to. 00:52:40
To work on that and. 00:52:43
Help us all to grow. 00:52:45
Yeah, Mr. Chair, for me and and just Mr. Miller brought up Patty Powers. That's our lobbyist in Washington. 00:52:48
So that's, you know, for those of you that didn't know, she's not as little genie that we just call on once in a while, she. 00:52:55
She's our lobbyist in Washington. That helps us look for grants. And so, yeah. 00:53:01
And so the so that we can help them through grants and things of that nature with financing to. 00:53:07
To help them because I understand that they're working on money that they've had for a long time and but it's running out. 00:53:14
And so you know, we need to try to help, I think, to work with them, to help them. 00:53:20
Regain some of that and grow from it. 00:53:26
Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. Through Grumpy, I know that this board supports the Industrial Development Authority and. 00:53:30
For the first time in what? 00:53:38
It appears there's a a specific direction that the Industrial Development Authority is. 00:53:46
Pointing to. 00:53:52
And I know with that and working closely with the. 00:53:53
Hill County Board of Supervisors that. 00:53:56
We will work hand in hand and. 00:53:58
Be supportive of the of the Industrial Development Authority. 00:54:00
Going forward? 00:54:04
I will ask Mr. Chairman that in the in the past I've. 00:54:06
Trying to get involved in I would have Sherry. When's the next Industrial Development Authority meeting? 00:54:09
That every time it was. 00:54:14
That the Industrial Development Authority board that their meetings have been scheduled when this board is meeting. 00:54:16
And things like that. So I would ask that the Industrial Dental Authority. 00:54:21
Lexie works with us. 00:54:26
So that we can have more participation in those board meetings. They are a government entity. They are public meetings. 00:54:28
That required you post agendas and and. 00:54:34
And required to reporting things with that they talked about in digitizing. 00:54:36
Ohh that being made available for the public. Because they are. 00:54:41
Governmental entity. 00:54:45
But just would ask that the the Industrial Development Authority board hold meetings. 00:54:46
And we will work with them to schedule meetings so that we can be more actively. 00:54:51
Active participants. 00:54:56
In the. 00:54:57
Events and be more supportive in that way. 00:54:58
We don't know what's going on. 00:55:01
And Camp 10 meetings makes it very difficult for us to. 00:55:03
Be fully engaged and involved in the idea. 00:55:06
So I'd ask that. 00:55:10
Yeah, I think that's a cool deal. So one thing I would throw out there right now is is. 00:55:13
They if they change your meetings to off meetings of us. 00:55:18
There's still a lot of times when I can see none of us being able to make it and stuff. So are you gonna be the one that bridge 00:55:22
that between you and Lexie to keep those communications? 00:55:26
Before we let anybody out, I'm gonna ask Jerry to get all the contact information of. 00:55:31
Lexi and that we can get together real soon and. 00:55:36
Make sure that we're on the same page and if they are gonna hold quarterly meetings. 00:55:39
That they are going our calendars on all of our calendars. 00:55:44
So backing up a little bit back to the grant and you're talking to Patty about that, I'm sure there's there's grants out there at 00:55:50
the federal level. 00:55:54
But when you're specifically looking at something like that, are you thinking that maybe? 00:55:58
We help them apply for the grants or that we apply for and pass it on to them or what? What was your thoughts? It would, Mr. 00:56:03
Chairman. It would depend on what is most advantageous. 00:56:09
Because sometimes there will be an advantage to having the Gown County. 00:56:15
I do the application on many times it's. 00:56:18
Would be advantageous for the the DA. 00:56:24
To apply for the grants. 00:56:27
And as has been mentioned, there's an administrative fee. 00:56:29
That helps to fund and finance the idea. 00:56:32
But we just look for what the greatest advantage is. 00:56:35
OK. 00:56:39
Anything else, Jim? 00:56:41
Umm, let's clarify. May does anyone, any of the members of the Industrial Development Authority have any questions either out 00:56:42
there in computer land or or here in in in in the building? 00:56:49
If if you have any questions. 00:56:55
You're welcome to ask him and if. 00:56:58
If I weren't shy and doesn't want to ask any questions, you're welcome to call me. 00:57:01
At anytime and ask that question, I'll get the answer. 00:57:05
That I can. 00:57:09
For you and and I want to participate in the meetings, so if the board has. 00:57:11
Has questions of what we can do or or or help with some of our grant writers or or or just everyday operations. I I want to be 00:57:16
more involved. I was on the industrial building story. 00:57:22
And and and I want to be a big part of it. And like I say, I'd like to see it be as accessible as discovery. 00:57:28
Hill County, yes. 00:57:33
Anyone has any questions, Jill please? 00:57:35
Mr. Chair, thanks. You're welcome. 00:57:41
Supervisors, thank you. I'm Jill Wilson. I'm a member of the ID board. I don't really have a question. I just have a statement. 00:57:45
I'm very, very thankful that we've had this. 00:57:49
I've served for two years and I felt like we were going nowhere fast. 00:57:54
And I really feel like now we finally have a direction. 00:57:58
And we have some good people in place. We have a forward and I'm very appreciative because I do feel like we're not just spinning 00:58:01
our wheels. So I just wanted to say thank you for for your help and your assistance and and I'm really excited to have Lexie so. 00:58:08
It was just to thank you, yeah. 00:58:16
So Jill, before you go, yeah. I mean, you've been here your whole life, so. 00:58:17
I'm sure you have some ideas for opportunities for HeLa County School. 00:58:21
Yeah, we we brainstormed on on some of our meetings and. 00:58:26
You know, just picking what would probably be the most feasible and the the quickest. 00:58:30
Umm. 00:58:35
Success, I think would be good, but you know, we're still brainstorming for sure. Good deal. Well, we're glad to have you all 00:58:36
that's, that's for sure, so. 00:58:39
Looking forward to it. Steve, do you have anything? I do not. Thanks for coming though. I really appreciate it. 00:58:43
James, you good. 00:58:48
I'll make one more comment, I guess. 00:58:51
There are two projects that I would. 00:58:54
Like to? 00:58:57
Through our way and and with the Industrial Development Authority for consideration that we do on property and basin. 00:58:58
On 260. 00:59:06
How long been a? 00:59:08
Thought an idea. 00:59:10
Plan to use that property that the county owns as. 00:59:12
Developing housing. 00:59:17
And also we are continuing to work with adding property out by the Fairgrounds in Globe. 00:59:18
That they're adding. 00:59:24
280 acres. 00:59:26
280, I think. 00:59:29
That that is potentially a. 00:59:30
Of thought this idea that we can utilize that property. 00:59:33
Out by the fairgrounds for. 00:59:37
Housing units as well. 00:59:39
So let's put those two. 00:59:41
Projects on the ideas. 00:59:43
There you go. 00:59:45
And ours as well that. 00:59:46
We need to consider, continue and pursue those actively. 00:59:48
I'm glad you brought that up. I was going to, but I figured Jessica was gonna shoot me down, so I didn't do it. But since you 00:59:53
opened that door. 00:59:56
We have other properties as well. So maybe there's other opportunities out there too, I don't know, but just throw that out there. 01:00:01
I think we have like 100 and some properties we're in, we've got, we've got a list of properties that we if they're any good that 01:00:07
they're working under see if we own but good or not good, something still has to be done with them. Well, I mean if it's not for 01:00:12
housing storage or something. 01:00:18
Although that's something that we could work with the idea on too, on properties that we ended up owning. 01:00:23
Umm. And so they they need they need a home. 01:00:30
And we'd like to get them a home other than with us. 01:00:34
Miss Chair, I do have one question. There was comment made that. 01:00:39
That this is something wasn't Lexie's full time job, right? 01:00:42
Are are you? 01:00:46
Is this a full time job? 01:00:47
The idea is 400 offering. OK, OK. 01:00:49
Good deal. I really thank you all for being here and I really appreciate the conversation. It is good and I think a lot of people 01:00:54
got. 01:00:58
Some good facts out of this today so. 01:01:01
Yes, I'm not. No, I'm. I'm good. And if you don't have my number, my assistant is right here. 01:01:04
Christine, be sure you get her information or mine on the way out and. 01:01:10
Let's stay in touch. Let let's, let's let's get this rolling. 01:01:13
Thank you all very much and you know Sharon. 01:01:18
Yes. 01:01:21
OK, I figured you did. 01:01:21
All right. Are we good and patient? Is there anyone in patient that have any questions? 01:01:24
OK. Thanks. 01:01:35
All right, you guys. Well, thanks so much and I'm sure we'll all be in touch and see you around. 01:01:37
Somewhere along the way. 01:01:44
All right, moving on to 2B information discussion regarding post fire flood. 01:01:46
Mitigation projects funded through P 2001, Carl. 01:01:51
We actually have Coral Milford, Carol Patak, and Gain Health. 01:01:55
Hi, good morning, Chairman, members of the board. 01:02:02
In typical Emergency Management fashion, I have a big beautiful design layout and plan here for this presentation. 01:02:05
And we are going to. 01:02:12
Deviate from it entirely. Um. So one of our speakers that we're saving for the end, she actually has an appointment that she needs 01:02:13
to make it to. So we're going to let her kind of. 01:02:17
Kick off our presentation so Carol Patak's gonna come up and kind of talk about how this post Fire Flood Mitigation money has 01:02:22
helped her and her property. Sure. Come on up, Carol. 01:02:27
Thanks. 01:02:33
Yeah, I apologize for before we knew about this. We had another appointment that's taken us months to get. 01:02:34
I'm Carol Patak. I'm one of the ranchers. My husband is in the back. There we have Griffin Ranch. We're now Happy 10. 01:02:40
I think our story is probably pretty well known here in HeLa County, thanks to Facebook. 01:02:45
June 14th we were burned out by the firefighter back burn that was lit to. 01:02:50
Try to save the towers at. 01:02:56
And Signal Peak. And it got out of control across 77 and burned out us and many of our neighbors. We lost fourteen homes in 01:02:59
October 10. 01:03:03
Uh, that was bad enough. We invited our our federal senator to come see us on June 12th because we understood that he was out. 01:03:07
To see the fire. And of course he never showed up. He went for the photo op. 01:03:15
Up at Incident Command, we got the. 01:03:20
The GO order at 5:38 in the morning on June 14th. 01:03:23
And by 7:15, the western side of our ranch was already gone. 01:03:26
We got out with about 20 seconds to spare. 01:03:31
Fire on her tail. We were forced to leave all of our cattle behind because all of our rescue trailers were up here. 01:03:35
Sitting at the intersection of 70 and 77. 01:03:40
They were not allowed through because there was fire in both sides. 01:03:43
The first trailer did get through and they ended up having to pop a U-turn in the middle of flames to get out of there. 01:03:46
And some of you know the gentleman, we were just totally amazed at how many ranchers showed up to help us and they never got 01:03:52
through. So we were forced to leave without our cattle, without our horses. 01:03:57
We basically got out with the clothes on her back and and a whole load of hay because we had expected to be able to evacuate the 01:04:03
animals. 01:04:06
We were allowed to return. 01:04:10
On June 18th and we discovered we still had a home. We had a barn. 01:04:12
All of our buildings were there, all of our cattle were there, all of our horses were there and we thought we were the most 01:04:16
blessed people on the face of the planet. 01:04:19
And we thought, wow, OK, we've lost our perimeter because we actually took fire four times. 01:04:23
Uh June 14th. We took it in the morning from the West. The fire swung around to the north. It took out our northern border, which 01:04:29
we share with the. 01:04:33
Time on National Forest? 01:04:37
That night, the fire swung around in a. 01:04:39
Fire tornado, what they call it, and it took out all of Bridge Creek to our South. 01:04:42
Fire came over our southern border. 01:04:47
The next morning, the wind shifted and for the first time, instead of blowing from West to east, it picked up east. West picked up 01:04:49
the flames. 01:04:53
That were still that had burned out 14 family homes in. 01:04:57
Ranch Creek and came up and hit our ranch. 01:05:01
From the east side got within 100 feet of where the cattle were. 01:05:04
But we thought, OK, we lost our perimeter, we're OK. You know, we're ranchers. We're tough. We're gonna rebuild and put our fences 01:05:07
back up and away we go. 01:05:11
And we were able to get a load of hay in pretty quick and we thought we were doing great. 01:05:16
Until the night of July 3rd, and on July 3rd they all Capitan community got together to find out what we needed to help each 01:05:23
other. This has always been people helping people and at this point we had not seen any any help. There was no help, there was no. 01:05:30
Funding. There was nothing we we had nothing. We just knew that we needed to get financing up. 01:05:37
And so we went to dinner with the Community Party on July 3rd. 01:05:42
And all of a sudden all hell broke loose. We had a huge storm that came in over E Mountain. 01:05:47
And. 01:05:53
It just started throwing buckets at us. We left. 01:05:54
By the time we got to the 77 interchange, the wash where we had just left was already falling 4 feet deep. 01:05:58
And so we scooted home real fast and not realizing what was coming our way. We woke up the morning of July 4th and we have a tack 01:06:04
room that's a 40 foot container. It was now wrapped around the barn. 01:06:09
Two of the buildings that the fireman had saved were now gone. 01:06:14
All of my husband's tools were gone, Oliver plumbing supplies were gone. 01:06:17
Are all of them now all of our? 01:06:21
Water lines were gone. 01:06:25
All of our internal fencing was now gone. All of our internal corrals were gone. 01:06:27
And we were very fortunate that our replacement hoppers that we had in a corral had the sense of mind before 8 feet of water came 01:06:31
through. 01:06:35
To get on the upper side of the dock and they were up to their shoulders and water. 01:06:39
But they survived. So once again, all of our animals survived, but now all of our infrastructure is gone. 01:06:43
So that was a pretty depressing time. So we cleaned up all that morning on July 4th. That was a Sunday when we get to church 01:06:48
because there was only. 01:06:52
Two ways to get to the road, to get to 77. One was either you walked two miles. 01:06:56
Or the other way is you saddle the horse up and you went out. And again, our neighbors, Dixon. 01:07:01
John Dixon came over with his backhoe. His wife called us that morning and said, Do you need help? 01:07:07
Are you guys OK? And I said no, we're not. 01:07:11
So they started coming in with their backhoe and my husband and the fencing guys that we had already there started working our way 01:07:14
out. 01:07:17
And we worked all day trying to salvage whatever we could. 01:07:21
And we took whatever we could find, and we had two rules. If it was, if we had, we could salvage it, put it on the brown. 01:07:24
That man put it on the dirt that hadn't been covered with the silt. 01:07:30
And the soot and the stench of the floods that had come down from E Mountain, because all of E Mountain drains through our ranch. 01:07:33
We're on. 01:07:40
East side of Hwy. 7 seven, so all that water comes down through us. 01:07:42
And so we worked all day. And my husband and I, as you can tell, are not spring chickens. 01:07:46
This was tough, hard work. And then he helped Nixon get his material, his equipment, back. 01:07:50
And then my husband called me when he was on his way back and he said I can't get home. 01:07:56
What do you mean you can't get home? So look outside. 01:08:01
There was another storm on E Mountain. We didn't get any rain at all. 01:08:04
Uh, but he's Mountain Dew and we took another 6 feet of water. Just came through the ranch again and what happened is that the 01:08:07
wash jumped. 01:08:11
Instead of following the wash path that was there before the fire that was about 3 feet deep and 7 foot wide, it now went 01:08:14
straight. And it went straight through our barn with all of our hay. 01:08:19
That we had just gotten in. 01:08:24
So we lost the We lost the entire bottom level of our hay. We had about four foot of salt in the barn. 01:08:26
And all the things that we put on the brown thinking that was safe. 01:08:32
We're now also gone. 01:08:36
Because it came through and sort all that fluid out. 01:08:38
And at that point, my husband, I looked at each other and said we're leaving. This is it, We're done. We just, we can't do this, 01:08:40
We can't restart. 01:08:43
And then shortly after that, I was really impressed because two groups showed up. 01:08:47
When was Supervisor Klein? 01:08:52
First politician that we saw first support that we saw, that came out to take a look at the fact that we did not have a vote. We 01:08:54
did not have a way for water to come through. We had no way to get out. We could. I could not get my car out. 01:09:00
Because of the condition of our Rd. going from our ranch to Hwy. 77. 01:09:07
And the next thing we heard coming down the road was Carl Malford and Justin coming in on their side by side. 01:09:12
It's got us sitting in an office. 01:09:17
Healer County Emergency Management came out saw. 01:09:19
They came out, look to see what was going on. They saw it. Devastated ranch. 01:09:22
Base High Ranch that was not only not operational, it was not functional. 01:09:26
We had animals that were in makeshift pens. We had no water. 01:09:30
We had no water lines, we had no fencing. 01:09:34
And that's when we started to see some help. Because to this point, we were paying Dixon Rock and Materials Weekly to just try to 01:09:37
keep a whole, just try to keep a road open for us. 01:09:41
Between our ranch and 77. 01:09:46
While Miami got flooded twice, Globe got flooded once. 01:09:49
El Capitan took 22 flights that that summer. 01:09:53
And some of them as much as 14 feet tall. I have video. 01:09:56
Of watching 14 feet of water coming through our ranch. You can imagine the devastation. 01:10:00
So without the Emergency Management team and Woody. 01:10:04
We wouldn't still be here. 01:10:08
Our operation would have been gone. You talk about bringing in businesses where grass fed grass finished beef operation. 01:10:10
We support a lot of employment in this area. Our butcher is over and we fields. 01:10:16
A lot of our customers are here. 01:10:22
We did a lot of customers down in Phoenix and Tucson. We're super premium beef operation. 01:10:24
And we've gotten other branches also to get into this direct sale beef operation because ranches can't survive based on commodity 01:10:29
prices. 01:10:33
So we've been really trying to help the community and and I appreciate being able to speak today. The last time you saw me was 01:10:37
with the shooting sports. 01:10:41
If it wasn't for the Hill County Emergency Management, the funding that we got during our ranch back to functional and finally 01:10:45
back to operational. 01:10:48
We wouldn't be here and all the programs that were associated with. 01:10:52
And trying to help this community wouldn't be here, so you know it's. 01:10:55
We still have a challenge of a road every time that it rains. 01:11:00
We don't have a Rd. 01:11:04
We can't get out. 01:11:06
If we have an emergency, we can't get out. 01:11:08
You know, because we had to pull all the culverts from all of our roads because you can't cut. 01:11:10
12 feet of water through 2 foot culvert. It takes the road out. 01:11:14
So more funding is needed to be able to get permanent. 01:11:18
Affixes out there. 01:11:22
But we appreciated what he came out to do a. 01:11:24
I'm eating with us. I don't know if you remember this. 01:11:27
You came out all capitan to get everybody together, said, OK, this is what's coming, this is what we can find, this is what we 01:11:29
can't find. 01:11:32
You know we can't do anything on private property. You know, we're not going to rebuild your house. We're not going to rebuild 01:11:35
your buildings. That's up to you. 01:11:38
And what most people believe is that's all covered by insurance. 01:11:41
It's not. 01:11:45
We're at 5000 feet of elevation. Who'd get flood insurance? 01:11:46
5000 feet. 01:11:50
Just because we were burned out and everything was a direct result of the burn. 01:11:51
They don't care. 01:11:54
So far to date, what we've gotten in all of that and you guys know how much fencing costs we lost. 01:11:56
8 miles of fencing. 01:12:02
For my rant. 01:12:04
Our insurance company paid $5000. 01:12:05
$5000 And you guys know how much fencing cost per foot? 01:12:09
So what it came out to say, I said. Oh, happy pan, and it started to sprinkle. 01:12:13
And he watched us as we ran like cockroaches when the lights went on. 01:12:17
He looked at me and he goes, what's going on? I said it's raining. He says it's not that bad. I said You don't understand. 01:12:20
We know what's coming and I'm going to be lucky if I can get out. 01:12:26
Ranch Creek Rd. And back in my Rd. before I'm flooded out and I can't get there. 01:12:29
So more is needed. 01:12:34
To keep your talk about. 01:12:36
Residential, you talk about businesses. There's a lot of businesses out there. 01:12:38
You know, not just ours. And so more funding is needed to be able to get some. 01:12:42
Permanent infrastructure out there. 01:12:47
Thank you, Carol. Thank you. 01:12:51
That was pretty tough times, wasn't it? 01:12:53
Very tough times. 01:12:55
Very, very tough times, it was. 01:12:56
My husband and I decided when we were evacuated. 01:12:58
Uh, that when we saw the fire maps and we saw that our ranch was totally covered in Redis. That's it. We're done. We're leaving. 01:13:01
You know, we would not have stayed. Not only not a glow, we would have stayed here. The county would be out of here. 01:13:06
And let the land do whatever it did and left, you know, as we assumed that we had lost all of our cattle. 01:13:11
And where the ranch has got the funny fluffy cows. 01:13:17
And they are ridiculous in price right now. We've got very expensive cattle sitting out there and Capitan and we thought it would 01:13:21
last everything and with no insurance. 01:13:25
So this kind of funding that came through? 01:13:29
It took some time, but it helped us get our wash. 01:13:32
Where it needed to be. 01:13:37
Umm. 01:13:38
The actually honest to get the ranch operational came out of our that was our life savings. 01:13:39
Because, you know, it's private property, but at least we got roads and so we got reimbursed for the road work that had been done, 01:13:45
which was great. 01:13:49
So uh, you know, we're very, very appreciative of that, so but. 01:13:52
It's just. 01:13:56
The guys in Washington not realize when you got a ranching operation in the South, you know, we just got our money. 01:13:57
Last week. 01:14:04
For a conservation district product that we did two years ago. 01:14:06
You know, and you're like, what do you think you're gonna do with cattle for two years? 01:14:09
Not put up a fence. 01:14:12
Not put in water. 01:14:14
You know, you get a ranching operation. They don't sit around and wait. Our cattle needed water the day of the fire. 01:14:16
So how do you do that? And then to lose all of our water lines, my husband actually ended up putting in water lines five times. 01:14:22
So we get reimbursed for 1000 feet. 01:14:28
We put it in five times, so we actually put in 5000 feet by the time the floods hit us, because the conservation district would 01:14:31
only cover the damages by fire, not by floods. 01:14:35
And for us not to get the kind of floods were much more devastating. We had a rancher to our S, lost one house to the fire. We 01:14:39
lost another house to the flood. 01:14:43
Thank you. 01:14:49
Thank you, Carol. Thank you. And I'm going to comment on this a little bit so people really understand. 01:14:49
Fly Heeler County is. 01:14:55
Dove into the management of a lot of these fires. 01:14:57
And that what you heard is, is the driving reason. 01:15:01
The management styles today are way different than they were before, and it's easy to draw big circles and say this is what we're 01:15:05
going to do without thinking about the. 01:15:10
What's gonna cause in a week or a few days or whatever? 01:15:16
And and a lot of our our country is is feds managed by the feds. 01:15:20
So they draw the line at the private property boundary. They it's like private property. It's not our deal. We'll see you. 01:15:27
Where we on the other hand that's that is our deal And so that's why for the last well there's. 01:15:35
Since the. 01:15:41
Well, I guess since we got into office 2016, the Juniper Fire was the first one we started with. 01:15:43
And we had one of these big fires every year for five years and so. 01:15:49
At least one. 01:15:53
So that's why we've been pushing on the feds really hard and being a part of all these meetings, the preseason fire meetings, the 01:15:55
coordination meetings that I just went to. 01:16:00
Yes, Dave, before yesterday and last night. 01:16:05
Is because of this right there? 01:16:08
And. 01:16:10
And it's tough. 01:16:11
It's really tough, Carl. I'm gonna let you go on with your presentation before I get on my soapbox again, because I'm gonna get on 01:16:13
it in a minute. There's gonna be plenty of opportunity. Good to do it throughout. So thank you. 01:16:18
Chairman, Supervisors. And thank you, Carol, for for powering through that. I'm sure telling that story is not always the easiest. 01:16:23
Um, so the point of this presentation is to kind of go through how that House bill 2001 funding for post fire flood mitigation as 01:16:31
assisted us as a county. 01:16:36
I probably pushed the wrong button, didn't I? 01:16:46
There we go. 01:16:51
Umm, so? 01:16:53
The 2021 fire season was. 01:16:54
One of our most significant in history. 01:16:57
We had two of the top five largest fires in the state's history that actually did touch each other. 01:17:00
The only reason that those acreages weren't combined to give us the largest buyer in the States history was because active fire 01:17:07
line touched inactive fire line. Had the miscalled fire still been active at the point where it touched the Telegraph fire, it 01:17:12
would have been considered one fire and we would have had the largest fire in the States history. 01:17:18
Um, so that being said, we also had the Backbone Fire going up during that same time period. 01:17:24
Up in in the pine area, so we definitely had our. 01:17:30
Hands more than full. 01:17:34
Screw this up again. 01:17:40
There we go. So just to. 01:17:41
Kind of an overview of Healy County Emergency Management. 01:17:45
Rule. 01:17:49
In emergencies such as wildfires. 01:17:50
The four pillars of Emergency Management are mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery. And this presentation is really 01:17:53
going to focus in on that recovery portion which is. 01:17:57
What we do after the fact? 01:18:02
And I will admit that as as a profession, emergency management's weakest point. 01:18:04
Is in that recovery piece because that's the part where there's the least amount that we have the ability or the authority to do. 01:18:08
It's also going to some of the topics that. 01:18:20
Had come up during this response. 01:18:23
One of the biggest ones that we really didn't anticipate for was the hazmat portion of the fires. 01:18:24
Um, there was actually several items of TNT located within the Telegraph Fire scar that were found by the teams prior to. 01:18:30
Them. 01:18:38
The scenario turning worse than it needed to be. 01:18:40
And there were also locations where fuels and other fluids were found in barrels that we had to work with a DEQ to, you know, get 01:18:44
pointers on where to go with. 01:18:49
Umm, so the? 01:18:56
Individual Assistance Service Center. 01:18:57
I was one of the first. 01:19:00
Actions that we took in kind of that response phase of the wildfires. 01:19:01
So what we did was we brought in a team of state individuals as well as our own teams. 01:19:06
And a bunch of private sector organizations, just to kind of. 01:19:13
Offer assistance to the communities. 01:19:17
I'll let them know what their programs were about and just let them know what resources would be available to them during and 01:19:19
after the the wildfire. 01:19:23
Umm. 01:19:28
And this was kind of the first step into our recovery phase, which we did. 01:19:29
Actually during the fire itself, because we figured being proactive would give people a little more time to. 01:19:34
To work with and and find out what resources were available. 01:19:40
Prior to the the end of the fire. 01:19:44
Um, so typically what recovery looks like for Emergency Management as a profession? 01:19:48
Is Emergency Management does, does or facilitates the damage assessment? 01:19:55
If applicable, they will apply for a public assistance grant if there's an emergency declaration, which in our particular case is 01:20:01
in the area of $250,000 of reimbursement. 01:20:06
Umm. 01:20:12
Which seemed that doesn't really go far for being honest with each other and. 01:20:13
It's called public assistance, but that term tends to be misleading because it does not. It's not addressed to the public. 01:20:19
It's for the local jurisdictions, such as the counties or municipalities to recover loss. 01:20:25
Whether it be out of the normal expenditures due to the emergency or damages incurred. 01:20:31
When it comes to the individual, the homeowner or the business owners. 01:20:38
That's considered individual assistance. 01:20:42
And Emergency Management does not have much of A role in that outside of. 01:20:45
Kind of connecting people with, you know, your NGO's and nonprofits that are able to actually assist. 01:20:50
The private individuals. 01:20:56
We we were able to step a little bit out of our box and do a little more during this event and we'll go more into that. 01:20:59
Umm, so evacuations? 01:21:08
We reached 45,000. 01:21:12
UM users during this event with evacuation notices. 01:21:15
Through our ready hello alert system. 01:21:19
Um, we sent five set notifications that reached 7612 users. 01:21:22
And 13 go notices that reach 11,866 users. 01:21:29
Um. 01:21:35
So it it was a a big. 01:21:36
Event in our our alerting system really played a huge part in that. We're continuing to promote people to sign up for that because 01:21:38
unfortunately our biggest advertisers are emergencies. 01:21:44
And we want people to sign up prior to the emergencies, not during. 01:21:49
Another important thing to touch on is. 01:21:56
Ready, set, go. 01:21:59
Ready Set Go was utilized. That model was utilized throughout this event and work. 01:22:02
Pretty successfully. 01:22:07
And then when we go into the flooding. 01:22:08
We talked about messaging and what that looked like because just to give an example of the areas that kind of sparked this 01:22:12
conversation. 01:22:15
6 Shooter, Icehouse and Calendar Canyons are very bottlenecked. Everybody comes out the same way and goes in the same way. 01:22:19
And that Canyon, When you come out of there, it takes you through one of two exits. One is a low water crossing that gets closed 01:22:26
on a regular rainy day. 01:22:31
And the other is a. 01:22:35
Say it politically, correctly a a bridge of questionable. 01:22:37
Of structure. 01:22:41
So. 01:22:43
Umm. 01:22:44
We thought about messaging and what does that look like, the roads that exit these areas. 01:22:45
Sit at a lower elevation than the vast majority of the homes. 01:22:51
So we met with the Sheriff's Office, Sheriff's Office and talked about possibly doing a shelter in place or head for high ground 01:22:55
messaging rather than bottlenecking people in an evacuation at a lower elevation and sending them to a potential bottleneck 01:23:01
situation and putting more people in harm's way. I'm happy to say that throughout this entire event and all of the post fire 01:23:07
floods that came afterwards, there were no casualties. 01:23:13
So, umm. 01:23:19
What we did ended up being pretty successful. 01:23:20
So going into flooding. 01:23:27
Umm. 01:23:29
And I'm sure you guys heard me talk a lot right after the fire about the potential of flooding that we had. 01:23:30
I don't think I even anticipated the full magnitude of what we experienced. 01:23:37
Because the rain gauge for example on. 01:23:41
UH, Pinal peak averaged prior to that year. 01:23:44
Three to five inches. 01:23:48
Per rainy season, per monsoon season. 01:23:50
Uh, 2021 we had 17 inches. 01:23:53
So we had an out of the ordinary fire season followed by an extremely out of the ordinary monsoon season, which cooked up the 01:23:55
recipe for disaster that we. 01:24:00
Experienced. 01:24:05
Umm, We did a lot of community meetings and reaching out to the public and preparing them for the floods. 01:24:06
Letting them know what? 01:24:12
Could potentially come and we were fully transparent about the potential and it was. It seemed like a shock to the public, but it 01:24:14
was. 01:24:18
Necessary for letting them know the reality of what we are facing. 01:24:23
Our community Resource Center. So we worked with the Salvation Army, the United Fund of Globe, Miami, and a bunch of other non for 01:24:29
profit organizations to to do kind of a a center where donations could be received, managed and distributed to the public. 01:24:37
The biggest part of that was if you were a homeowner that was in a flooded area, you can go in here and you can pick up a case of 01:24:45
water. 01:24:48
A bucket with cleaning supplies and just the essentials of what you need to start. 01:24:52
Cleaning out your home. 01:24:56
Sandbags are available for preparation for future storms and this was hugely successful and they had. 01:24:58
Quite a few visitors during that. 01:25:05
Going into response and recovery, so their community response during the flooding was huge. 01:25:09
Umm, particularly the Miami events. 01:25:14
After the floods in Miami, I mean, you could go downtown and Miami and just see elbow to elbow shovels, heavy equipment. 01:25:17
With everyone working to help people out. 01:25:24
Stand up volunteers, neighbors helping neighbors. It was it was incredibly moving thing to see. 01:25:28
So some of the mitigation work that was going in was UM. 01:25:35
Hydrology consulting. 01:25:39
The community outreach that I talked about earlier, sandbags were placed out and not only the central sandbagging location under 01:25:41
public works yard like we typically do. 01:25:46
Um. 01:25:51
We worked with Public Works to get. 01:25:52
Ohh sandbags palleted and put out into strategic locations. 01:25:55
These sandbags were filled by county employees. 01:26:00
There were Boy Scout troops that came out there, football teams. I mean basically we had the sandbag station open and anyone that 01:26:03
wanted to help did. 01:26:07
And even some of the fire teams came in and filled sandbags after their shifts of fighting fire, which was pretty incredible. 01:26:11
So. 01:26:22
HP 2001. So I want to go back and talk a little bit about what that public assistance grant process looks like through emergency 01:26:23
declarations. 01:26:27
So if we have an emergency such as the Telegraph Fire. 01:26:32
And we declared the state does an emergency declaration to support us. We can apply for funding. 01:26:35
It's called a public Assistance grant. It's $250,000 at a 7525% cost match to. 01:26:42
Help the county to recover costs. 01:26:50
Umm. 01:26:52
HP 2001 was passed with $100 million for wildfire mitigation, specifically 36 million of that to post fire flood mitigation. 01:26:54
To date, Heather County has received. 01:27:02
Or been approved for $13,305,814.87. 01:27:05
Little bit better than $250,000. So we decided to go that route instead it it's been. 01:27:13
Hugely successful. 01:27:20
Was a bit of a learning curve in the beginning, trying to figure out what that process is going to be like, because this is 01:27:22
something that's never been done before. So Michael and I actually had quite a few, quite a few meetings with DFM, who was the 01:27:27
host agency for that money. 01:27:32
The state Department of Emergency Management. 01:27:38
Was kind of the middle person. We would send the request to them and they would. 01:27:41
With the request for to DFM and review with them to render a decision. 01:27:45
The process that was used was what we call a 213 R It's an ICS form for a resource request that's typically used in an emergency 01:27:49
for emergency resources. 01:27:54
Um. 01:28:00
Emergency Management kind of became the conduit for that because that's the system that we use regularly in emergencies. Every 01:28:01
single project and every dollar that you see there went through just in here. 01:28:07
So yeah, Justin was the 213 guy. 01:28:14
Every single request was filtered from him. 01:28:17
To the state Office of Emergency Management and to TF. 01:28:22
Um, kind of a breakdown. 01:28:26
And I'll go into the more specifics of what that funding was used for. 01:28:29
Contractual services $1.6 million Emergency road work 210,000, Equipment 685,000. 01:28:32
Private property mitigation. 01:28:41
Four million, 4.3 million. 01:28:43
Public works projects 4 million and waterway mitigation 2.3 million. 01:28:47
Umm. 01:28:54
It should also be noted here that we did work with the municipalities to kind of serve as a a middle again conduit for receiving 01:28:57
those funds. 01:29:01
So the Town of Miami receives $204,000 in projects from the City of Globe 341,000. 01:29:06
Umm, But there also be noted that this funding is a payer of last resort. 01:29:14
So though it is a statewide fund, any counties that's. 01:29:18
Got a federal declaration or even a state declaration? Had to access that money first before reaching out for this money. 01:29:25
So our position benefit us because we did not qualify for a federal declaration. So we were able to access this funding directly. 01:29:32
So Carl, if you would? 01:29:36
Could you explain that to folks why we weren't? 01:29:42
Qualifying for FEMA. 01:29:44
So. 01:29:47
Yes. So for a FEMA declaration, I believe the total at the time and it fluctuates from year to year is around $11 million of 01:29:48
damages. 01:29:52
That damage calculation does not calculate private property, and it does not calculate debris removal. 01:29:58
So for example, if you look at like the hospital bridge, it was covered in 4 foot of material. Underneath it was a. 01:30:03
Horse trailer, they got shoved under there. 01:30:11
We cleared it off underneath. The bridge is still intact. 01:30:14
So that running total for the damages there is 0. 01:30:17
Um, So we did not qualify for it for that reason. And that's that's what puts rural counties in kind of a unique position because 01:30:20
for an emergency to cause us $11 million? 01:30:25
And damages their loss. 01:30:30
Is extremely tough, not counting. 01:30:32
Private property and if, if I may, Mr. Chair. 01:30:34
And and it's per incident. 01:30:38
Correct. Not together. So the one fire caused all these floods. 01:30:41
But that does not mean that it's all, I mean it was each individual Creek. 01:30:46
Like. 01:30:51
Like Russell. 01:30:52
And six Shooter. Those are two separate. 01:30:54
Entities 2 separate occasions. 01:30:56
Even though they were caused by the same fire. 01:30:59
Each one of those were individual. Which each individual. 01:31:02
Flooding did not add up to the $11 million. 01:31:06
And that's what I'm frustrated with, with our federal government. 01:31:11
Is. If it's caused by 1 fire, it should all be under that to total. 01:31:14
The 11 correct, and not only that, but the weather events that follow have to be within 72 hours of each other to be qualified as 01:31:20
the same incident. 01:31:24
And this event did not play in our favor there. It was almost perfectly spaced that we had events 72 hours apart. Yeah, but, but, 01:31:30
but those are lines that should not be there in, in my opinion, because the damage is there. 01:31:36
And it's going to be there for five years. 01:31:43
Because that's how long they estimate it's going to take to grow back, so. 01:31:46
Yeah, it it, it should. 01:31:51
It should be. Those lines should be erased. 01:31:53
In my opinion. 01:31:56
I agree and it's unfortunate that again like you said, that running total does not go from fire to flood to flood, it's it's per 01:31:58
event. 01:32:02
And I think there were only like two or three of the storm events that we were able to lump together into one event, but we 01:32:06
weren't, we weren't coming close to that 11,000,000. 01:32:10
Which in this particular case would have been devastating for us without that support. But this House bill money bridge to that 01:32:14
gap. 01:32:18
Umm. 01:32:23
In a sense that this this funding covers stuff that you can, that public assistance grant would have not and that statement. 01:32:24
Correct. 01:32:32
Yes. Yeah. So I mean, that needs to be done too, because state money is what saved our bank and not federal money, correct. 01:32:33
The state money really saved us and bridged the gap here. And another thing that I need to point out with this is this allowed us 01:32:41
to do some work. 01:32:45
On private property which that public assistance grant money would not have allowed, correct? 01:32:51
The other thing is that that bill I'd like to point out is if I'm not mistaken, Carl, if I am, correct me but. 01:32:59
That House bill was passed. 01:33:04
By everyone. I don't think there's anybody opposed to that bill. 01:33:07
I remember right. 01:33:10
I I'm not certain. Yeah. So you know, when it comes to our legislators and people like that, they they all kind of banded together 01:33:12
to push that one through and. 01:33:16
And thank God they did, because it would have been tough without it. 01:33:21
Yeah. We didn't have statement any. We wouldn't have anything. Yeah, impossible. And that needs to be noted and I'm. 01:33:25
Yeah, it really does. Exactly. 01:33:31
So we'll go into some of the breakdowns of those individual line items such as the contractual services, so $1.6 million. This was 01:33:35
for Hydrology Consulting. 01:33:40
Uh, that's when we had Ju Fuller around explaining to us. I mean, it's nice to have the teams bear team. 01:33:46
That comes in after the fire and explains what their priorities are. The forest. 01:33:51
JE Fuller came and provided information that's priority was heel account, so that was hugely helpful for us. 01:33:56
It was nice to be able to, you know wake up to a flood alert at 2:00 in the morning and pull up a camera and see what that 01:34:02
actually looks like. I'm, I'm a visual person. I understand seeing something better and having those cameras on those streams and 01:34:09
being able to hear the the weather warning and see what's actually going on helped us tremendously with the with the alerting 01:34:16
system. So that hydrology consulting was huge. That also includes engineering consulting for projects that required engineering. 01:34:23
Emergency road work. So this is another one that Michael and I went back and forth with DFM on. 01:34:32
We ended up getting approval for emergency road work and emergency Rd. clearing, even on private roads. 01:34:39
For the sake of accessing properties, because you know if you if you have a home. 01:34:46
That has a low water crossing and it's got 4 feet of sediment and is impassable and you call 911 because you're having a medical 01:34:50
emergency. 01:34:54
You're you're not accessible for them. 01:34:58
So we got that approved to basically. 01:35:00
Get contractors in to just clear roads and make them pass. 01:35:03
Equipment There were several equipment rentals approved some equipment purchases. 01:35:10
That made it better to prepare and we were going from prepare, response, recovery over and over with each storm. 01:35:16
Because as soon as the storm goes through and deposits debris, that debris is now a potential hazard for the next storm event. So 01:35:23
getting having these equipment rentals and having these contractors come in was huge for us, getting debris removed and preventing 01:35:28
future floods. 01:35:33
Private property mitigation was a huge one and another back and forth, and I apologize for the quality of the pictures. Those are 01:35:40
a little tough to see. 01:35:43
But. 01:35:48
When it came to the private property, again this is an area where, with a typical public assistance grant, we would not be able to 01:35:49
assist. We would rely purely up with coordination of those NGO's. 01:35:54
Which we still did have some of. 01:35:59
So through meetings with DFM that they they agreed that they would fund through this House bill the removal of debris from the 01:36:02
property because it creates a potential hazard for anything downstream. 01:36:08
Um, We also had Team Rubicon who was there helping people to clear out the insides of their property. So we're able to kind of 01:36:14
bridge that gap. The insides of the properties were mapped out by a volunteer organization that we brought in the outside of the 01:36:19
property. The debris was removed. 01:36:24
By contractors funded through this bill and we we let the residents be in control of that. So if your property was flooded and say 01:36:29
there's a lot of scenarios where properties themselves, the homes weren't damaged. 01:36:35
But they had four feet of sediment on their property. We saw 40 foot pine trees laying down on properties, Volkswagen sized 01:36:42
boulders and that's on the upstream properties. 01:36:48
The downstream properties got what was left. They got that just packed silt. 01:36:54
That, you know, creates breathing issues for for vulnerable populations because it it. 01:36:58
Solidifies and basically turns into talking powder. It gets airborne and it creates breathing issues. Your vehicles will get stuck 01:37:03
in it. It's it's pretty gnarly stuff, so we were able to get. 01:37:08
Process established where the homeowner contacts. 01:37:14
Us. We give them a list of certified contractors. 01:37:18
They get a quote. 01:37:21
We go out and pay. We do a site visit where we look at the project and look at the property and make sure that those two coincide 01:37:23
with each other. We would get that project approved and move in. And we do the same thing at the end, just to make sure that the 01:37:29
work was done in the way that it said it was going to be in that quote. 01:37:35
Ohh, we were able to get quite a few of. 01:37:44
Steve at the time then homeros projects approved for Creek and watershed improvement. 01:37:48
About $4 million worth of that. 01:37:53
And then, uh, waterway mitigation projects. And this one's pretty easy to describe because this was that initial. 01:37:57
We hired every contractor we could and put them in the creeks to clear stuff out and that makes a huge difference because we think 01:38:04
some of the creeks you see images of. 01:38:08
The water is right there at the top of the Creek. 01:38:12
And before that, we had removed tons and tons of debris from those creeks. So that water that was at the cap of the Creek would 01:38:15
have been above and beyond and we would have worse flooding had that work not been done. 01:38:21
I'm going into just other really only two big notable things that didn't fall into the other categories. One of them was we were 01:38:30
able to. 01:38:34
Fund a a couple of private. 01:38:39
Contracted employees that were able to help us with those site visits because at some point, you know, they became a lot for 01:38:42
Justin and I to go out and take all those pictures and. 01:38:47
And kind of be that liaison with the contractors and employees. So we were able to hire 2 contracted employees. One of them 01:38:51
specifically went out and photographed and did the site visits. The other was more of a liaison and did the documentation portion 01:38:59
of it. Now we're down to one contract employee who does both, but things have slowed down. So he's doing a lot of the 01:39:06
documentation and prep work for the audit, which we will undoubtedly see at some point in the future. 01:39:13
We did meet with DFM and provided them the documentation that we have. Justin's done. 01:39:22
Wonders with the financial documentation and. 01:39:28
Our contract employee with filing of all the photos and everything, So what we send the DFM is a fraction of the actual 01:39:31
documentation we have. 01:39:35
Our last meeting with DFM, they asked us to begin to prepare something like that and we showed them what they what we had and 01:39:40
they're actually going to use that with the other counties as kind of a template of how to properly document. 01:39:46
Turn around. 01:39:53
So this is where Carol's presentation would have been. But she already did that. Those are some of the images from her property. 01:39:56
And uh, I mean words cannot. 01:40:03
Express the amount of just debris and devastation on her property. I mean it absolutely just. 01:40:05
Reformed. 01:40:13
The watershed out there and destroyed. 01:40:15
Pretty much every little bit of infrastructure, roadway and everything that she had. So hers was one of the larger debris removal 01:40:17
projects we were able to get approved. The contractor went in there and basically just took everything that didn't belong out so 01:40:24
that the Creek could do what it's naturally supposed to do. We had a lot of scenarios with the Creek zig where it should have 01:40:31
zagged and caused a lot of devastation like this. So these pictures of what her property looked like before. 01:40:38
And this is what it looked like after. 01:40:45
Had to throw the cow in there for aesthetic. I apologize, but an important part of the presentation. 01:40:48
But we were able to get that debris off of there and. 01:40:54
Kind of got out the Creek and put it back to what it looked like before and make it a little bit more prepared for future events. 01:40:58
Um, there's been significant rain since. 01:41:04
Your property looks like this. 01:41:07
I'm happy to say it still looks like that. So you know, she's still got issues with her road and everything and we're trying to 01:41:09
find solutions for that, but. 01:41:13
Right now, this is what her property looks like and is able to keep her in business with that. 01:41:17
Next speaker I wanted to bring up. 01:41:23
Jane Hale. 01:41:25
She was one of the most impacted by the post fire flooding and it was again a case where the Creek just too much force blew out 01:41:28
one side. 01:41:32
And her property became part of the Creek when it is not naturally that way. So Jane, if I could bring you up here to. 01:41:37
Tell your story. 01:41:45
Come on up, Jane. 01:41:46
That's my hero right there. 01:41:57
Absolutely. I I believe you had national attention on your house. If I'm not mistaken, we had film crews there. 01:42:00
And. 01:42:09
For some some reason, I stood on our porch which was 3 foot above. 01:42:11
Ground but right at the edge of the flood level and took a video. 01:42:18
Which Janet Klein Air dropped onto YouTube and it received national attention. It is still on YouTube. 01:42:23
But looking at this photo kind of takes me back to this time, which I try not to relive, but I'm going to today. 01:42:31
To tell you what happened. 01:42:38
We had taken precautions on our property. 01:42:41
For fire by grazing our cattle intensively around the house as well as clearing off all dead and down. 01:42:45
And it turned out to be a good thing because on the 5th of June. 01:42:52
The Telegraph Fire came roaring. And I mean, if you have ever heard a firestorm, it has its own sound. 01:42:58
It sounds like a train. 01:43:07
And there was smoke and fire in the air. 01:43:10
That it got right to the edge of Mcspadden's property. They owned the 20 acres below us. 01:43:13
And it split. 01:43:19
And it went down towards Miami and it went up towards the Gibson. 01:43:21
But it left our private acreages untouched. 01:43:26
Hand to God, I swear, is all that could have, really. 01:43:30
Besides cows. 01:43:34
Have saved us. 01:43:36
After the fire. 01:43:38
We didn't dilly dally around. We went and put up. 01:43:40
You can see those barriers that are still there. We put 24 of those behind our garage. 01:43:45
As well as had Frank Damon put. 01:43:52
A ****. A dirt dye cat. 01:43:55
And we thought we were golden and for maybe 3 floods we. 01:43:58
We were. 01:44:01
But then on the 29th of July at 2:10 in the afternoon. 01:44:03
The Columbia River came. 01:44:08
In over 6, four to six inches of rain fell on Madeira Peak in a microburst. 01:44:11
And. 01:44:20
Madeira Peak all drains into Penal Creek. All of this. 01:44:21
This is Pinole Creek. This is the other side of where Carole's operation is where on the West End of the panels. 01:44:26
And. 01:44:35
That entire area that you can see that's flooded there. 01:44:37
Is now well or was Kennel Creek? 01:44:41
Not originally, but after that flood. 01:44:45
The. 01:44:53
The Day of the Flood. 01:44:54
The **** washed out. 01:44:57
The barriers, Those barriers weigh £2000 and they float. 01:44:59
They most of them went down the Creek, as did our garage. 01:45:05
With a side by side. Fortunately I had gotten out there in the rain and moved our car and our truck. 01:45:10
But the side by side in our friends half ton truck. 01:45:18
The garage itself, all our tools. 01:45:22
Down Pinal Creek. 01:45:25
And and just gone some things we've never even found parts of. We did not lose any cattle. 01:45:28
Like Carol, our cattle were saved. 01:45:35
Because we. 01:45:39
They had put them in a higher pasture. 01:45:41
At which they got out of because it all washed out. You can see them in this picture but. 01:45:45
They were saved. 01:45:51
You are Healer County sponsored a meeting out at the fairgrounds. 01:45:56
After all of this took place. 01:46:00
And. 01:46:04
I That's where I met Carly and I saw that you had. 01:46:05
Appointed him the head of Emergency Management. 01:46:09
In my own mind, I was convinced that the only thing that would save our house from future flooding because the Creek had kind of 01:46:13
changed. 01:46:17
Was a concrete floodwall. 01:46:21
Because we're on an outside curve. 01:46:25
Of that Creek. 01:46:27
Which is going to continue to flood. 01:46:29
I called Carl after. 01:46:34
And I I was very emotional because as you could see, this washed through our entire house. 01:46:37
Whole house. All of it. 01:46:44
Had to be. 01:46:46
Strip 3 feet up because it was full of mud and mud creates mold. 01:46:48
And that house would have been. 01:46:53
Unlivable. Had we not done that? 01:46:55
But the morning after, we slept in that house that night. 01:46:57
We never laughed during the fire or the flood. We stayed there. 01:47:02
And the next day after people saw that YouTube because it was pretty well distributed. 01:47:09
50 people showed up and helped us strip that house. 01:47:16
All of whom are always be grateful to. 01:47:21
But I called Carl. 01:47:24
We had our phone service was washed out and I had to go up on the hill and. 01:47:26
In the borrowed side by side. 01:47:32
And called him. 01:47:35
And made a very. 01:47:37
Emotional plea to him after I knew who was going to be. 01:47:40
Helping us with Emergency Management. 01:47:44
And I will never forget what he said to me. 01:47:47
They were the kindest words and they helped me sleep after that. 01:47:51
He said. I got you, honey. 01:47:55
He didn't know me from Adam, but he was so kind. 01:47:58
You have a real treasure in this man and I hope you appreciate it. 01:48:03
It took ten months. 01:48:09
And the state of Arizona. 01:48:11
And Heela County. 01:48:13
To get a wall. 01:48:15
But. 01:48:17
We stayed on it and we got it. 01:48:19
I also want to thank Steve Sanders and Brent Klein. 01:48:22
Of public works, they came out. 01:48:26
And they got Frank Donnellan to build us another dirt bike. 01:48:29
A bigger, bigger dirt bike that. 01:48:34
Took out all our trees. 01:48:37
And it's not as pretty as it used to be, but. 01:48:39
That dirt bike has remained functional. 01:48:42
My concern with the dirt bike is they erode overtime and in the five years. 01:48:45
It may wash away but. 01:48:52
That concrete wall won't. 01:48:54
It's yet to be tested, but. 01:48:57
It could happen. 01:48:59
I really want to thank. 01:49:02
Frank Donlin and NRCS, who helped provide some of the funding. 01:49:04
For the dirt bike. 01:49:09
Pearl Milford and his staff. 01:49:11
Michael O'Driscoll, who I know, helped us behind the scenes. 01:49:14
Wood declined. 01:49:19
Rusty Bowers, who's no longer in office, but he was helpful as well, made some phone calls for us. 01:49:22
The State of Arizona Governor Doug Ducey. 01:49:28
Who did pass an emergency? 01:49:31
Measure that made a lot of this funding possible. 01:49:34
And we had to do some persuading. 01:49:38
And while the. 01:49:42
Media showed up out there to. 01:49:46
Film What had happened to us? 01:49:48
No politicians ever came. 01:49:51
I have to thank Jim Fansler fancier resources. 01:49:55
And Curiel Construction and Peachy, who is a? 01:50:01
Dynamite concrete guy. 01:50:05
Rich Gresham, who was our engineer. 01:50:07
And the late Jerry Johnson, who was my nephew and the manager of Cmax, who expedited concrete to get that wall built. 01:50:10
Hila County helped us more than any other agency. 01:50:21
Followed by the state of Arizona, who provided much of the funding. 01:50:25
The FM and NRCS continue to help us with fencing. 01:50:29
But. 01:50:35
I'll never forget Carl. 01:50:37
And the I got you. 01:50:39
Thank you. 01:50:42
Thank you, Jane. 01:50:43
So I I'll, I'll let you know something for all you guys right now is, is this part of this. 01:50:51
Presentation is gonna be used a little later on. 01:50:57
On a request for more emergency money. 01:51:03
And Jane and Carol's part of this presentation. 01:51:06
Is what's going to be focused on for that money. 01:51:10
I. 01:51:13
Well, I can't talk to you guys most time anyway, but. 01:51:14
Uh. 01:51:17
Coconino County is taking the lead on this and and it'll be brought up or we can all sit there and talk about it at the 01:51:19
legislative conference. 01:51:24
But the push is to create another pot of money of about 3035 million. 01:51:29
In the state. 01:51:34
That would be available for these circumstances. 01:51:35
And you know, I've told lots and lots of people had it not been for the state money. 01:51:39
It would have been really, really bad because we did not have any help coming from anywhere. 01:51:44
And as a rural counting, we didn't have the depth it took to. 01:51:50
To fund and and support these kind of efforts. 01:51:54
So. 01:51:57
So that everybody knows this, this. 01:51:59
Part of the presentation, Carroll's part, and whatever else they needed out of it. 01:52:01
Is going to be used. 01:52:05
You're pretty quick, so. 01:52:07
Go ahead, girl. 01:52:09
Alright, we only got two more slides, so um. 01:52:10
The next slide is a follow up from this picture. This is. 01:52:13
Jane Hales property after slash during a flood event. 01:52:17
And here it is after what that retaining wall put in. 01:52:23
So this one took, like she said, ten months from the time that she called and. 01:52:26
Got it approved and when she 1st called me I just. 01:52:31
It made sense. That idea made sense because. 01:52:33
Our entire goal is to keep the water in the Creek, pass it through, send it on its way. 01:52:37
And looking at this Creek, I mean I'm no hydrologist, but it was a very just a common sense visual that the Creek is meant to go 01:52:42
this way and it's flew out and it went that way. And it's going to continue to go that way, continue to be a problem for all of 01:52:47
the properties downstream. 01:52:51
We needed to figure something out that created a a redundancy to keep the water where it's supposed to be, while also in turn 01:52:57
protecting their property. Because, I mean without exaggeration, that water came out of the Creek. 01:53:04
And used her house as a pass through and in the back door, out the front door. 01:53:11
And we. 01:53:15
Went back and forth with DFM for about 10 months until we finally got the approval and I warned Jane in advance if she didn't 01:53:17
answer the phone I was driving out there because she had been waiting and. 01:53:22
You know, we talked all the time during that 10 months, and when we finally got this project approved, she didn't answer her 01:53:28
phone. So we flew out there and. 01:53:31
And. 01:53:34
Holder and. 01:53:35
Was glad that you know, a project that benefit everyone in the area and everybody potentially downstream. 01:53:37
Umm. 01:53:43
Also benefit Jane and you know. 01:53:44
The part that you don't look at is that had. 01:53:47
Jane not allowed this to be done on her property. That creates harm for anyone downstream. It creates basically a new route for 01:53:52
the water to go that we do not plan for. 01:53:57
So that's pretty much my presentation and again this is. 01:54:05
Just kind of how how we're tracking so far with that House bill money and. 01:54:10
Would would like to see more and do more with it. 01:54:15
In the future, done quite a few presentations for you guys and a lot of public speaking in my career and I still don't know how to 01:54:18
end the presentations. So the end. 01:54:23
Good job. Carl questions you guys. 01:54:30
I have no questions, Carl. You know, I, I appreciate you very much and all you do and I've told you a million times, I'm glad you 01:54:34
like Keela County because you built probably one of the best resumes in the state for emergency services. 01:54:40
So. 01:54:46
Thank you for appreciating your account. I appreciate that, Sir. Thank you, Steve. 01:54:47
Yeah. Thank you. I need no convincing that we have the best Emergency Management department in the state, if not the Southwest, 01:54:52
so. 01:54:56
To have the two families here, the whole family of the attack family, and that's just two. 01:55:01
That went through. 01:55:08
Devastation that most of us will never see. 01:55:09
And to come out praising our response is. 01:55:13
Very. 01:55:17
Heartwarming to me. 01:55:18
Won't stop until it's the best in the US, so OK. 01:55:20
Well, it was quite a trial and error for sure and you guys did an awesome job. 01:55:25
Unfortunately, it was hard on our constituents in the county. 01:55:30
You know, cause you know you're sitting in meetings and. 01:55:35
And you know you can't tell him what you want to. 01:55:38
You know we can't do things, certain things on private property. 01:55:41
A lot of things on private property we can't do. Hunt, Jessica. 01:55:45
Yeah. 01:55:48
So you know and and at the time we're not seeing anything coming from the feds, we're not seeing anything coming from anyone. 01:55:49
He have insurance companies turning people down. That's getting. 01:55:56
Burned out and stuff, so. 01:56:00
It was a big, big deal when when that state money finally came out and. 01:56:02
I think there was a lot to be learned and said by that and I really appreciate the governor for pushing on that and all the 01:56:09
legislatures involved that that made that happen. 01:56:13
It didn't come without any issues, I can tell you that. 01:56:19
You know, we ended up in Rusty Bowers. 01:56:22
Room in the state capital with the FM and. 01:56:25
In US and. 01:56:29
The. 01:56:31
Tunnel in RCD people and and a pretty good little handful of folks in our legislatures. 01:56:32
Kind of working out issues too. Rusty was was a was a big help and and so as we went through I mean there was there was a lot of. 01:56:38
Lot of applicants, I'm sure you guys seen that you didn't know if you get funded or not, you know and DFM. 01:56:48
They had the final say for the most part. 01:56:55
But it worked and we were able to cover a lot of people and get through it. 01:56:58
But it's nothing that we can set on our hands now that it's over either. 01:57:03
We, uh, we need to keep pushing on different avenues, different monies, whatever it is, to be prepared more for these kind of 01:57:07
events. 01:57:11
We definitely have to stay in the middle of all the federal management that's going on because they don't look at what's 01:57:16
downstream or bloom when when a lot of this is happening and. 01:57:21
They're getting better, I will say, but we still have more to do. 01:57:26
Umm. 01:57:30
You know, I'm sitting there with permittees it's got. 01:57:32
Miles of fence lines burned down. Infrastructure burned down. 01:57:34
Government saying we don't have any money. 01:57:38
Well, we just watched them spend $20 million or whatever it was on these fires for them to turn on. So we don't have any money. 01:57:40
Pretty disheartening and so. 01:57:47
The. 01:57:49
Just so you guys know and like Carol's talking about 8 miles of fence being burned up, going right for fence right now it's about 01:57:51
$48,000 a mile. 01:57:55
So it's not really easy to jump out there and replace them all with fans, and I'm not even sure what the infrastructure on 01:58:00
pipelines and things like that are. 01:58:04
Without going into the personal infrastructure of barns and houses and like that, I know that we've cleaned up a lot of burned out 01:58:09
buildings. 01:58:13
We as a county opened up the dump for. 01:58:18
For a lot of that to go into our landfills and get that tended to you. 01:58:21
A ton of money was spent. 01:58:26
I will say that a lot of it went to the locals here, the local contractors. 01:58:28
And people like that as well. So it didn't it. You know it. 01:58:32
In in a odd way it it helped some some people as well so but. 01:58:36
I'd really rather not have to deal with any of that. Again, I didn't have to. 01:58:43
But thank you for everything in Justin and your department. 01:58:47
Is done because you guys did an awesome job. 01:58:50
Of course. And thank you and to give Jessica a little bit of comfort. 01:58:53
On DFMS and everything that we pitched to them, they were running past the attorney general to make sure that we were staying 01:58:57
within the parameters of legality so you can bring your blood pressure down a little bit. 01:59:02
Anything else I can? Other questions? 01:59:09
We're good. Thank you, Carl. We'll move on to the next one. 01:59:13
All right, on to 2C. 01:59:17
Information discussion regarding a partnership initiative and options for removing dilapidated RV's, vehicles, and travel trailers 01:59:20
from the forest. 01:59:25
And we have coal with this today. I don't know if David Laforge is impatient or not, but we have coal. Yeah, it'll just be me. 01:59:30
Ohh, it's Travis and Payson. 01:59:34
Chairman Yeah. 01:59:41
I'll be representing public works, OK? 01:59:44
We'll just lean on you really hard. OK. Good morning, Chairman, Supervisors, Tims. Wait for Tim. 01:59:47
He stepped out for me. Go ahead. Sure. Yeah. Alright. Thanks for having me here. 01:59:53
Uh, so in Payson we've got 4 service law enforcement officer Travis Bassett. 01:59:58
He's going to step up to the podium if I missed something. 02:00:04
He's gonna jump in and help me. 02:00:07
So I'm going to use a slide deck to keep me on task here. The reason why I bring that up is to highlight the summer internship 02:00:09
program that we have. So this. 02:00:14
I was created by. 02:00:19
These children, one of our summer interns. 02:00:22
They're college students. 02:00:25
Is that presentation? Yeah. And it's great. It's, it's better than what I could have put together and it's definitely going to 02:00:27
keep me from getting off topic because this is kind of a. 02:00:31
Convoluted sort of program, and it's it's convoluted and that's the reason why it's never really worked out before. 02:00:36
But it's taken quite a bit of a partnership and it really started with. 02:00:43
Travis Bassett, who's joining us in Payson and then. 02:00:47
I. 02:00:51
Hill County Drug Gang violent crime detective. 02:00:52
Winter Chowski. 02:00:55
So they, you know, like all of us, spend time in the woods. 02:00:57
And we run across these, You know, this picture is indicative of what our. 02:01:01
Our constituents and everybody's. 02:01:06
Starting to see a lot of, so they started coming in probably every other day. 02:01:09
Into my office and said we got to do something about this, we got to do something about this, we do something about this. 02:01:14
Well, the way a lot of policies and laws work it, it really kind of had us hamstring. 02:01:19
We didn't really have a way to. 02:01:26
Go in and just say, hey, this is somebody's private property here. Yes, it's an eyesore, but we can. 02:01:28
Remove it and dump it. 02:01:33
Mainly because of a lot of. 02:01:37
Problems with. 02:01:39
Getting something like that to the landfill. 02:01:40
Making it safe to be dumped in the landfill so. 02:01:43
I'm gonna start going through this because, like I said, I'm gonna use it to keep me on track. 02:01:46
So is it this? 02:01:49
Good. Let's see how it goes. 02:01:53
OK, so what's going on here is we've got a lot of RV's, travel trailers, vehicles. 02:01:55
That have been just dumped by. 02:02:01
Not even really the owner, but they've been dumped in the forest. 02:02:05
It kind of falls on the Forest Service to deal with this. 02:02:08
They don't really have the ability because really they've got trust. 02:02:12
In the. 02:02:16
He was kind of stuck, not sure what to do. We get a lot of calls and I get I've dealt with everyone of you guys on calls on what 02:02:17
to do with this. 02:02:21
So we've kind of been taking it Wednesday, Tuesday at a time to try to figure out what the heck to do with this. 02:02:26
And we we have navigated a plan that we think will work and this is to kind of. 02:02:32
Present that plan. 02:02:38
And although Carl doesn't know how to end his presentations, mine always have an ask, so I I know how to get mine ended here once 02:02:39
I get to it. 02:02:43
And we may or may not go through that ask at the independent on how you guys want to deal with this so. 02:02:48
The partnership between the US Forest Service, Helen County Sheriff's Office and Public Works, mainly the landfill. 02:02:54
To collaborate and remove all of this. 02:03:01
Just. 02:03:06
Trash in the In the woods is is kind of what we're going to do. 02:03:06
The one thing I want to target is that this or highlight is that this is not to. 02:03:10
In any way impact, disrupt. 02:03:15
Focus on the. 02:03:20
I, I, I don't know what to call the law abiding homeless individuals we have. You know, COVID created a lot of. 02:03:22
Problems for people and we do have a lot of. 02:03:29
Decent folks that are in a bad situation and just happen to be living in the forest. This is not to deal with them, this is to 02:03:31
focus on. 02:03:35
The just. 02:03:38
The. 02:03:40
Disaster that some of our crime. 02:03:41
So our. 02:03:46
The community that's focused on crime, they're they're going out, they're actively stealing from the good citizens of Healing 02:03:47
County. They're buying drugs with it and they're just dumping what they can't sell after they steal it in the woods here for us to 02:03:51
have to deal with. So. 02:03:56
It's the focus on. 02:04:01
The the folks that are involved in crime. 02:04:03
Uh, this map. 02:04:07
Kind of highlights our general areas. So the footprint is mostly northern Heela County and the only reason why that is, is because 02:04:09
of the two people that came in. 02:04:13
Bugged me on a daily basis or responsible for northern Henry County. 02:04:18
So these are so in the center, on the left side there we've got pacing and then each one of those red dots. 02:04:24
Represents one or a few bumper pull trailers, motorhomes. 02:04:30
Areas of trash that we'll have to deal with. 02:04:36
Umm. 02:04:41
The way this kind of worked is. 02:04:41
Detective Kruszkowski and Travis Bassett. 02:04:46
With the Forest Service went out identified all these locations. 02:04:48
They ran VIN numbers. They ran plates. They dug through trash to try to figure out. 02:04:52
Who we could find most responsible for dumping all this stuff out there. So what they're going to do is, and it's it's kind of a 02:04:57
case by case. So some of these times it's just a matter of somebody's gone out there and dumped A motorhome and what we're going 02:05:04
to do is determine who the owner of that is, whether they sold it or not. 02:05:10
Uh. 02:05:17
Comes into play. But for the most part, we're going to figure out who the owner is. We're going to contact them, we're going to 02:05:19
let them know, hey, you're. 02:05:22
Your. 02:05:26
In a position to be charged for criminal littering and we're gonna go after you for restitution along with the criminal charges. 02:05:27
You're going to be given an X amount of time to go in and remove this if you need some help figuring out how to do that. 02:05:33
We'd be happy to help you. 02:05:39
Umm. 02:05:41
Other people that are more. 02:05:43
Living in it rather than it being dumped there. 02:05:46
We're going to identify that person if they happen to be involved in crime. 02:05:49
There's a chance they've got warrants, there's a chance there's stolen property there and or drugs, so we kind of attack it from a 02:05:54
different angle of. 02:05:58
Of going in and arresting them for their crimes that they're responsible for. 02:06:03
And uh. 02:06:08
Going through the process of securing and removing. 02:06:10
Whatever's left there. 02:06:14
So those are kind of the two most applicable situations. 02:06:15
And there's laws that allow us based on both of those situations to. 02:06:20
Remove those. 02:06:24
The reason why we, I mean we do that on an active and frequent basis. The reason why we haven't been able to. 02:06:26
Remove these items in the past is because. 02:06:32
You know when we go out and arrest somebody and we need to secure their car, for instance? 02:06:36
We've got contracts with tow truck companies to come in and remove the vehicle, but when it turns into something like this where 02:06:40
we're. 02:06:43
We're putting the tow companies in a position where they're being stuck with some trash that they can't really get rid of. It's 02:06:47
it's very difficult for them to get rid of. 02:06:51
These motorhomes. 02:06:55
We've not wanted to burden them with that. Well, what we've done, and I'll get into that here in a second, is we figured out a way 02:06:57
to. 02:07:01
Get rid of. 02:07:06
Get rid of the. 02:07:07
The trailers. 02:07:08
So, um, once we've. 02:07:10
Once we've. 02:07:13
Figured out how we're addressing the removal of it. Like I said, it's two different ways. 02:07:15
That has to do with usually going and serving a search warrant, making sure there's nobody in there, pulling the people out, 02:07:19
taking them to jail if they're there, or filing the charges through the county attorney's office for the folks that have just 02:07:24
simply dumped something out there. 02:07:28
That gives us the ability to. 02:07:34
Than to insecure. 02:07:36
These these vehicles. 02:07:38
So the four and this is the the. 02:07:40
Part that has to do with the Forest Service. 02:07:43
So the Forest Service has gone in and contacted a Hog Creek Towing and Laforge Towing in the northern part of the county and said, 02:07:45
Hey, would you be willing to tow these and secure a abandoned title for us? 02:07:52
Once the vehicle is owned by HeLa County, then we can legally take it up to the landfill and have it torn apart, scrapped, dumped. 02:07:58
Part of that process through talking with Homer, is we need to make sure it's safe for the landfill to be able to take in that. 02:08:09
The vehicle so removing the propane tanks, making sure there's nothing within the the Gray water tanks and the septic systems. 02:08:18
So there's another partnership that we've had to kind of go to the pumping companies and say hey, would you be willing to come in 02:08:27
on a Wednesday, Tuesday basis and clean these out for us that way we can then bring them into the landfill and we're not bringing 02:08:32
hazardous waste into their. 02:08:37
The propane tanks, Gas tanks. 02:08:42
What kind of deal with those as they come? But that's another part of this that nobody really could figure out how to deal with. 02:08:45
We've got a plan for that now, but part of knowing that it's eventually going to end up in the landfill and we're not just 02:08:52
bringing it to a tow yard. The plan is when we go in and you've seen some of these pictures, I've got tons of trash around them. 02:08:58
We're going to take all the trash that we can. 02:09:03
Reasonably and safely pick up and throw it into the motor homes or the trailers and then get them towed out of the forest to where 02:09:09
they go, knowing that they'll eventually end up in the landfill. 02:09:15
And kind of cleaning up the general area and not just pulling out a trailer and leaving all the surrounding trash there. So 02:09:21
there's more to it than just the trailer. 02:09:25
These are a couple of the laws that allow us to. 02:09:33
Remove secure toe at an impound yard. These vehicles, there's some. 02:09:36
Onus on us to determine who owns the vehicle. 02:09:43
Part of getting an abandoned title and that's why we're partnering with the tow companies that do this on a daily basis. Although 02:09:46
we do have a guy, Mark High Street, he was in pay. Some of he's still there. 02:09:51
He he deals with a lot of our MD stuff and getting abandoned titles but it's it's just really going to be a burden that we're not 02:09:57
willing to dump on him. So we're going to pay the tow companies to tow file for the abandoned titles that way we're we're in 02:10:03
ownership of the vehicles and it I mean it gives the owner a chance to. 02:10:09
If for some reason it. 02:10:15
Left their hands and they didn't know why and they never filed a police report, but they for some reason I want it back. 02:10:17
No the. 02:10:22
If they contact us, part of that process is they'll they'll be able to go get it. We're not looking to. 02:10:23
Take property from people. We're just looking to kind of clean up the forest. 02:10:28
Uh, so there's. 02:10:33
There's some couple of the things I talked about as far as making sure we remove all the hazardous materials. 02:10:35
Before they end up in the landfill, there's a couple different scenarios based on the VIN, the owner, what we got to do with it. 02:10:41
I talked to the. 02:10:50
The two. 02:10:52
Top companies to try to figure out how long. 02:10:53
They would be stuck with or we would be stuck with. There's a couple other things to figure out where these vehicles would sit. 02:10:56
While we're waiting for the titles to come in. 02:11:04
And because that's still sort of unclear, one of the tow companies is willing to house them because they feel that in order to 02:11:06
file for an abandoned title, they have to have it on their property. The other one doesn't interpret that law the same way, so 02:11:11
they'd like us to help them with the an area to keep them. 02:11:16
In the meantime. 02:11:22
Which can a drives us to only one to do maybe two or three of these at a time. That way, we're not overburdening the landfill. 02:11:24
We're not overburdening. 02:11:28
Any of the people involved in this process because it's got a lot of. 02:11:33
Steps that may take us a little while to get good at. 02:11:36
So in a best case scenario we should have a title. 02:11:39
For us in 50 ish days that could take over 100 days 120 days in some scenarios to get that title. 02:11:44
Uh, the landfill procedures, we've kind of talked about a little bit, but we've worked. I've worked with Homer and. 02:11:53
What's that? 02:12:02
Melanie, Melanie. At the landfill to make sure that we're following all of their procedures. 02:12:02
And they're running as an enterprise, so part of the. 02:12:08
The ask, or at least something to keep you guys aware of in the end, why we're talking about this? 02:12:12
Is we don't want to negatively affect their PNL by dumping a lot of waste on them and a lot of work and man hours to scrap and 02:12:17
move and get rid of these. 02:12:22
Trailers. 02:12:28
So there is some some repayment to the landfill that we're going to need to to do in a way to make sure that we don't negatively 02:12:29
affect them as we have been led to understand. 02:12:34
So the landfill procedures are basically what we've gone through there. 02:12:40
Umm. 02:12:45
So this is where we get into the ask in a in, it's kind of more of this is where the work session comes in. That's that's the 02:12:47
general part of the plan. 02:12:50
Umm. 02:12:55
We may have there's. 02:12:56
There's 30 plus units that we know of north of the bridge on the North End of the county. I'm sure there's a whole bunch down here 02:12:59
somewhere that that we can start addressing also because this, you know it's a county wide goal. 02:13:05
So. 02:13:13
I don't suspect we'll we'll be doing 35 in the next year, maybe two years. 02:13:14
Eventually we'll get to that point. 02:13:20
Will probably do a few before the end of. 02:13:22
Of this calendar year, maybe 15 or so before the end of this fiscal year. 02:13:25
So I believe there's a slide in here that talks about the cost. 02:13:30
That the landfill is bringing on. 02:13:36
And. 02:13:40
So the landfill charges per ton, we're assuming that travel trailers are? 02:13:42
Anywhere from 1000 to 9000 pounds. 02:13:48
We're we're looking at probably. 02:13:52
I don't know, maybe 6000 to $8000 for the first year. 02:13:54
Maybe that for the second year until we can get this under control and then we may have a few to deal with each year after as long 02:13:58
as we can. 02:14:02
Keep this program rolling. We've got a. 02:14:07
Big undertaking to start with, but. 02:14:09
Eventually I think it'll catch up and we won't have that many to deal with. 02:14:13
So. 02:14:17
You guys got any questions thus far? Kind of. A bunch of different things have gone through a bit. We do, Cole. OK. 02:14:18
Hit me with him. Him. 02:14:23
Umm. 02:14:27
Yeah, I I mean, I understand the program. I understand the problem. 02:14:29
I mean, I'm the one that came up with a dollar dump day because the forest and our creeks and everything else was. 02:14:33
Was getting dumped on and and so OK, do I hire a crew to clean it up and what's that going to cost? 02:14:40
Or let's make people responsible for their own junk. Let's raise the fine. 02:14:46
Through our code enforcement. 02:14:51
To say OK, it's gonna, you know you're gonna get a fine because now that that's been redone. 02:14:54
We can write someone a citation and turn them into a collection agency if they don't pay it. 02:14:59
Yeah, that took a lot of work to get that. So I'm all for making people responsible for what? 02:15:04
Their own so. So by doing the dollar, don't they, that helps people. It's like you're going to pay this kind of fine or on 02:15:09
Saturday you can go to the dollar for dollar. 02:15:13
So help them make be responsible so. 02:15:17
Here here, you're asking me for money for the dump to clean up National Forest Service. 02:15:20
OK. But I mean the county does a clean and lean. So if if your property is really bad and it's a health hazard, we can go clean it 02:15:28
up and then lane the property. So what I'm wondering is in the legal system. 02:15:34
Restitution if I mean if you get arrested or you hurt somebody, then then the judge can. 02:15:40
Make you pay a restitution or probation. 02:15:46
For the damage that you created, yeah, So I mean where my mind's working, it's like, OK if you, if you arrest someone in the 02:15:49
forest, then a motorhome that's got trash thrown everywhere. 02:15:55
Well why not that make that part of his probation or restitution and and I'm willing to to kind of come up with a fund or try to 02:16:01
come up with a fund to get it cleaned up now. But I I I think before he gets out of jail he needs to pay. 02:16:09
So we or see or them or whoever, yeah, we've kind of thought about that a little bit so. 02:16:17
One part of the reason why we're not going to do a whole bunch of these all at once is because those cases are going to go to the 02:16:24
county attorney's office. We also. 02:16:27
We don't want to overburden anybody involved in this project. So when those do go there, you know, Jessica, can you kind of 02:16:31
explain how this part works? It takes a while before that restitution comes in. 02:16:37
And it's not. 02:16:43
A lot of money and it takes a long time for that to come in so. 02:16:44
The plan is to find somebody responsible for that that dumping and. 02:16:48
Send those charges, ask for restitution. Will, I think in Jessica Prolly has a lot more experience with this is we won't see that 02:16:54
money for a long, long time if we're lucky enough to see it. So I think we're looking for the money up front from the county to 02:16:59
make this happen. 02:17:04
Hoping that in the end, the charges come through and restitution works. 02:17:10
Sure, man. 02:17:14
Member supervisors. So as far as restitution goes, one, we have the issue of needing to have a defendant. Some of these vehicles 02:17:16
don't have a VIN number, so there's no person liable in that sense. 02:17:22
And we have had cases come before the county attorney's office where there is a registered owner. However, they have some sort of 02:17:28
alibi indicating that they sold it to somebody else. 02:17:33
And they have documentations of such, but they don't have last names, so they can't pinpoint exactly who is responsible to 02:17:39
actually charge them with a crime. 02:17:45
Them plead guilty to it or have it convicted by a judge or jury. And then the last element is if they are convicted, well now we 02:17:51
have restitution, which they may not start paying towards until they're out of prison. 02:17:58
They also. 02:18:06
Could incur drug charges where they are also on probation where they have fines for that as well. 02:18:07
And so it's. 02:18:14
It doesn't really come to fruition like you would hope. 02:18:16
We cannot try to. 02:18:20
Convince them long before we get to this point by determining who the owner is through the veins that are present. 02:18:23
By contacting them and saying hey, we've located property that the state says belongs to you. 02:18:31
You need to come get rid of it. Well, I sold it, just like Jessica said. 02:18:37
Well, we're still going to charge it because technically you're the responsible party, you're registered owner, the responsible 02:18:41
party for this. 02:18:44
Item. 02:18:48
And we can, you know, I'm not gonna say bluff them into. 02:18:49
You know, cleaning up what? 02:18:53
Still is technically theirs. 02:18:55
But at the end of the day, there's there's some laws that protect that person if they can prove that they did sell it. 02:18:57
So. 02:19:04
There's the we're going to try to to get what we can through restitution, but at the end of the day, I. 02:19:06
I honestly don't believe there's going to be a lot of restitution money that that comes in and if it does come in, it will be way 02:19:12
down the road. 02:19:15
I would expect you're not gonna get a whole lot. 02:19:19
Now, and that's, you know, in the past, we've always tried to. 02:19:22
Do it this way. Call the person, convince them to come down and. 02:19:27
And do something about it with with the threat of, hey, we are going to send these charges. 02:19:31
And unfortunately, that doesn't usually work. It doesn't go anywhere. We're not able to get them to do it and then we're we're 02:19:36
back to square one with, well, what can we do about this so? 02:19:41
That's where this next hurdle of figuring out how to get it to the landfill came in. 02:19:47
Steve. 02:19:52
Thanks. Yeah, cool. This is a. 02:19:54
Yeah, I don't believe we'll ever get restitution. The problem is because people don't have any money or. 02:19:58
They're incarcerated or whatever. That's why they're vehicles out there and it is a mess. And last time we have one on Houston 02:20:03
Mesa Rd. 02:20:07
Ohh it. 02:20:12
We wanted the Sheriff's Department to tow it, but it was too far away from the road, so it wasn't. 02:20:14
Part of your jurisdiction, so it becomes Forest Service jurisdiction and then finally they towed it. 02:20:19
And complained forever that it cost them a couple $1000. 02:20:25
So we've got another one out there right now. Yeah, it says it's spray painted on the side. US Forest Service, tell me. 02:20:29
Right. And that's. 02:20:36
You know, the public doesn't understand that. 02:20:38
We can place the blame on the Forest Service to do that and, you know, meeting with Travis and Matt, the district Ranger. 02:20:40
They want to do it. It's just a matter of how they've never. 02:20:47
They've never had a way of doing it before because there's some things they can do, there's some things they can't, so. 02:20:51
And I don't know if I talked about it, so forgive me. Let me take a step back. So. 02:20:57
The the money partnership, they're going to be paying for the tow and they're going to be paying for the title work to be done. 02:21:00
Where? 02:21:08
They don't have enough money. 02:21:11
You know the. 02:21:13
We talked earlier about the the Fed saying we've got all this money for this, but we don't have any money for this. This is a 02:21:14
situation there and no Ding on Travis or Matt, they've they've gone to their bounces because I've been in meetings with them to 02:21:19
figure this out. They've been able to secure what they're thinking is somewhere in the six to $8000 a year range to pay for toes 02:21:25
and pay for title work to be done. 02:21:30
And I'm kind of hoping we can come up with a similar. 02:21:36
Dollar amount to. 02:21:39
Take it out of 1 bucket and put it into another bucket. So cool. So the Forest Service wants to partner. 02:21:40
To a level, yeah. And So what are you asking the board for then what? 02:21:46
What kind of money and where is it going to come from and who does it go to? 02:21:52
So uh. 02:21:57
What I'm asking you guys for is to kind of approve this project as a whole. 02:21:59
Because I am asking for the landfill to accept a lot of trash. 02:22:03
That they're not really being. 02:22:08
Paid by the public to to intake. It's. 02:22:10
You know it's taking it from one part of the bucket and putting it into the same, you know, into the same bucket, I think is. 02:22:15
You know lot of money. That's where James comes into play. How can? 02:22:21
How can we take, you know, create a fund, code, take money from somewhere? 02:22:24
That we don't you know we don't have the money to do this and yes and but make it in a way that Melanie and and Homer is are 02:22:30
willing to take this trash in us not mess up their. 02:22:35
Profit was chairman and and college. I quit. 02:22:43
I I think the, the there's some numbers here that you see that if we do 35 vehicles in one year that landfill tonnage cost. 02:22:50
Would be six $7000. OK, but there's also an additional cost. Somebody needs to pump the septic. There's no liquid. It's a solid 02:22:58
waste that landfills are actually a solid waste disposal system. There's no there's no allowance for liquids. 02:23:05
All the liquids that Freon, the motor oils that the transmission oil, all of that needs to be taken out. I think what we're 02:23:13
looking for, we wanted to do this long term $12,000 a year for landfill cost. 02:23:18
For landfill cost, something like 6 and another 6000 for someone to help dispose of the liquids in the vehicle. 02:23:24
The landfill would do the work of tearing the vehicle apart, putting the metals to one side and selling it and taking the rest 02:23:31
into the landfill. 02:23:36
And we would charge, we would be charging at the landfill because it is an enterprise just like as if a private party brought in 02:23:41
an RV, we would weigh it and we would charge and we would charge that amount of tonnage fee. 02:23:46
And script bringing that up so. 02:23:53
We estimate the Carnage fee is $6000 a year. 02:23:55
Under a very robust. 02:23:59
35 vehicles a year, so it could be less, but I think $12,000 a year would help get this started and we will learn as we do. 02:24:02
OK. Yeah. So the, the county shops have the ability through their current waste disposal systems to get rid of oil and some of 02:24:11
those other things that we're going to be pulling out of there that's that's going to be a cost that is not taken from the same 02:24:16
bucket and putting into the same bucket. That's money that's going to be expensed. So thanks for bringing that up. I forgot about 02:24:22
that part. The other thing is paying a septic company to come in and pump. 02:24:27
That stuff. 02:24:33
It's not a lot of money, but it's it's still money. 02:24:34
So that's that's kind of what we're thinking is somewhere in the. 02:24:38
12K But like I said, I I don't, I don't want to bog down anybody involved in the system. I don't think we're gonna hit that 35 02:24:41
number for. 02:24:44
You know, maybe two years, right? But we're lucky. Go ahead. So yeah, So I don't see it as being super costly. I'm just trying to. 02:24:49
Figure out. 02:24:56
All the buckets you're talking about and and how the Forest Service is going to partner because I mean it's on their property. 02:24:58
And so I don't mind the counties coming in and saying, OK, we can help with this service. 02:25:04
Because it's good for all of us and so that that's a good thing. So one of the. 02:25:10
You so, James, if I might ask you so if. 02:25:14
If the landfill needs to be reimbursed, in a sense. 02:25:18
Where would we find that money to do that? How would that work? 02:25:21
Miss. Chairman Supervisor Christiansen. 02:25:26
Landfill is, as you know, an enterprise fund and we want to make sure that we keep those buckets separate. 02:25:28
And so it would be incumbent on. 02:25:36
Staff to find. 02:25:40
A source of money. 02:25:42
Whether we have to redirect something that's budgeted. 02:25:44
Based on your authorization that we could find. 02:25:47
1015 Twenty $25,000. 02:25:51
To do this. 02:25:54
It's been my opinion that this is something that would be important to the Board of Supervisors and that I would be able to, that 02:25:56
I would. 02:25:59
OK, directed by you to go and find a resource or. 02:26:02
A pool of money that we utilize for this. 02:26:07
Program. OK. Thank you. 02:26:10
One other thing Steve, about what you brought up so. 02:26:13
Uh, yes, we're, we're towing stuff and we're incurring a cost for this. 02:26:15
Stuff to come off of the Forest Service property, the way their policies and laws work for them is. 02:26:21
And forgive me Travis, because I don't really understand this, but I'm gonna do my best to explain this. 02:26:28
So although it's on their property, in order for them to just go in and tow, say, a trailer off of there, they have to prove that 02:26:32
it's abandoned. 02:26:36
And the the. 02:26:40
The case law for for. 02:26:43
The the case law for them to prove abandonment for the period of time is very, very difficult, if not impossible because. 02:26:46
As soon as we maybe. 02:26:54
Remove that person from the that trailer through an arrest for whatever reason. 02:26:56
Uh. 02:27:00
Then we've got two days of abandonment while they're in jail, they're going to come right back or somebody else is gonna. 02:27:02
Move right back in, We'll have another transient person move right back in. 02:27:07
And then it doesn't fit their abandonment statutes. 02:27:11
We've got some. 02:27:14
We've got some laws in Arizona that allow us to when somebody is arrested. 02:27:16
Right there. We were kind of required to secure that property, not just leave it. 02:27:20
We've been stuck with having to do that because of all these other things. 02:27:26
But that's part of the reason why it's a partnership. They don't have the ability to immediately remove it. We have the ability to 02:27:29
immediately remove it. We just don't have the ability to pay for all all of this. So they're saying, hey, if you remove it. 02:27:35
Will pay that cost. 02:27:41
OK. 02:27:44
That's all I have. Thanks. Go ahead, Tim. 02:27:45
Yeah. What? What? I'm I. 02:27:47
I'm trying to digest it all and go. I mean, if I went to a public meeting. 02:27:50
And ask the people, how do you feel about spending your tax dollars to take abandoned vehicles off for service? I know exactly 02:27:54
what they're going to tell me. So I'm, I'm trying to broaden this and you're going to, you're going to see the same problem that I 02:27:58
do. 02:28:02
Is we have a lot of issue with blight? 02:28:07
And abandoned vehicles or vehicles that you, you know, somebody's got eight vehicles, five of them don't run. I mean, could they 02:28:10
be saying, you know, OK if if you're not claiming this or it's not registered? 02:28:16
And we're considering it's abandoned. So. So if the Board of Supervisors creates a pool of money for abandoned vehicles? 02:28:23
In Helen County, that would include four service somebody's backyard. They're nine acres Outback. 02:28:31
Do you know what I mean? Maybe if we create a pot of money, because I have a whole lot of public that would love me to. 02:28:37
To get rid of some of these abandoned vehicles, however, I gotta do it. 02:28:46
So I mean, I'm, I'm just wondering, being that this is a work session and we can communicate, yeah, then if there's a source of 02:28:51
money, it would be for abandoned vehicles, not only on the Forest Service. 02:28:56
But you and I both know there's. 02:29:02
There's residential areas that have abandoned vehicles. 02:29:05
That right now we don't we can't do anything with. 02:29:09
And and there is a way to deal with those because if it's a car, truck, something like that that's scriptable and I'm I'm can 02:29:13
using that term when it comes to metal. 02:29:18
Not sheet metal and the stuff that's in motorhomes. 02:29:23
These two companies, because we we do it quite a bit in pace and where people call us, hey, I just bought this, this house, it's 02:29:26
got a junk car on it. What can I do? Well, we can get you, we can get you a VIN inspection. You can call this tow company. They'll 02:29:31
come out and tow it for free because then they can. 02:29:37
Do the legwork to get those titles, scrap it to a yard because the metal is worth some money. OK, so there is kind of a way to do 02:29:43
that on private property. It's just when. 02:29:47
We don't. 02:29:52
It's a little different when it's a trash motor home. OK, that's that's the way. Yeah. No. Like I say, I'm just asking questions 02:29:54
because I have to answer for where I spend their money and and and so I was just trying to get a little bigger. 02:30:02
Little bigger picture. 02:30:09
So if somebody does a fund for it, yeah, it I would like to designate this just for stuff that's not on private property because. 02:30:11
There is a way to deal it. There is a way for somebody has private property for them to deal with removing that vehicle and we'd 02:30:21
be happy, you know? 02:30:25
I don't want a million people calling us if they're seeing this on YouTube right now, but there is a way that we can guide the 02:30:29
public through how to get rid of stuff on their property and it's basically having them do exactly what. 02:30:35
We're doing it just incurs some cost on their end. 02:30:40
OK. 02:30:45
At this. 02:30:46
We're we're just communicating here, trying to make sense of everything, communicate some more input in. So I got a question for 02:30:48
you guys. How are you gonna have the time and the people to go out there and get her all this stuff up? I mean, you make it sound 02:30:53
easy. You go out there and you shove it all in a trailer and you pull it away. 02:30:59
You'll spend half the day in some of these sites just getting it gathered up. Yeah, we've done it a few times. Really. It's just. 02:31:04
The people that care about the community they live and work in, that's what it comes down to. So we don't have enough people, we 02:31:11
don't have enough time, but they're gonna, we'll find the people and they're gonna have to make the time. So you know it. It 02:31:16
really becomes incumbent on these two aggressive cops, Officer Bessette and Detective Krzykowski, to choose which one is the 02:31:21
biggest problem that they're going to go out and deal with all the paperwork. Because even getting to the point of us being able 02:31:26
to tow it. 02:31:31
Is a lot of man hours to do. 02:31:37
So they're just, you know, they're. 02:31:40
We Pam to go out and catch bad guys and enforce the law and they're they're kind of choosing what they're doing with that time. 02:31:42
So. 02:31:49
So and when we go do these operations, we try to bring a lot of people with us. 02:31:50
From the Sheriff's Office. One, because they're. 02:31:54
You know we have the potential for. 02:31:56
A risky situation with somebody being in there and not wanting to go to jail. So that's why we bring a lot of people, but too 02:31:58
because as soon as we make the scene safe. 02:32:02
We can all work for an hour and through a bunch of trash back in there, so. So this is kind of a tough deal because you talked 02:32:06
about homeless people out there who are good citizens. Let's just say, yeah, you know, they've had a run of bad luck and that's 02:32:11
the only place they got to go. And I totally get that. 02:32:16
But how are you going to differentiate between that and the bad ones? Because what's gonna happen is you're going to start 02:32:22
cleaning these things up. And don't get me wrong, because I'm all for partnership with the Forest Service and help do this, I I'm, 02:32:26
I'm there. 02:32:29
But somewhere along the way between. 02:32:33
US and the Forest Service. 02:32:36
Somebody's gonna have to crack the whip on the homeless camps. They're out there. The government has a 14 day stay limit there for 02:32:39
the woods and. 02:32:43
And it's a tough call to make, I understand that. But were you going to draw the line or are you? 02:32:48
Uh. 02:32:54
Me personally, yeah, I'd like to figure out where that line is because I'm not looking to make. 02:32:56
Somebody who's had a run of bad luck or has some? 02:33:01
Mental health problems. 02:33:04
You know, really it's. 02:33:06
It. 02:33:07
It's based on the crime. Are they going out there and. 02:33:08
Stealing. 02:33:12
You know, other people's vehicles and backyards turn around, buying drugs with it and then leaving whatever scraps they. 02:33:13
Couldn't sell for drugs in the forest. 02:33:20
Or are they just simply someone who uh, they they get some? 02:33:24
Money. However, they get it not by stealing and then they go by their. 02:33:28
Food and they buy their cigarettes and they buy their. 02:33:33
Junk food or whatever. And they've got a smaller pile of trash. 02:33:35
I I think the the dividing line is felony crime, you know, are they, are they negatively impacting our citizens by stealing from 02:33:39
them? 02:33:43
And then using drugs. 02:33:48
In in these areas that's kind of. 02:33:50
One, I just see a lot of kind of worms here that's going to open up really quick because we have communities. 02:33:53
And that are are. 02:34:00
Or watching these people and and kind of raising hell about them. 02:34:02
You know, they don't like to see them camped out there for six months or all year round or whatever. And that's what's getting 02:34:06
dumped on us. For me, I don't know about us, but me, yeah, it's like, when are you guys going to step up to the plate and do 02:34:12
something about this, you know? Well, I think if we can get rid of the criminal element and then maybe start to deal with. 02:34:18
The other element, there's probably some other assistance programs that we can do to. 02:34:24
Maybe help those people get out of the predicament they're in, rather than jail or charging them with. 02:34:30
Some of these other crimes are taking their home out of the woods. So that's that's why I've kind of, I've been kind of curious 02:34:35
about and I think maybe. 02:34:39
In some places on the federal side, they have areas where they kind of just turn their their head and don't look. 02:34:44
You know. 02:34:51
I hope it's determined by public compliance, citizen compliance, citizen columnist. 02:34:52
And I and I don't know where we're headed in the future, but I do see a lot of people living in the woods. 02:34:58
And for different reasons. And I see a lot of issues. Yeah, I think if we continue to let these trailers end up in the woods 02:35:04
without us removing them, we're just creating more places for these folks to go to and. 02:35:10
Live or commit crimes, we're we're kind of perpetuating that availability to them. So rather than letting it get any further than 02:35:17
it's gotten right now. 02:35:21
The hope is to kind of go in and start doing something about it, and that's this work session is trying to figure out. 02:35:26
What can we do and what's the? 02:35:31
What's the legal way of doing it without getting us into a problem where now people are calling us to get rid of junk cars off of 02:35:33
their personal property or they're going to pull trailers and cars out there behind you, you clean them up and yeah, we're just 02:35:39
start, just start dumping, you know, You know, I don't want that to happen. 02:35:44
I don't really know the right way to do this. That's why I'm looking. I applaud you guys, guys in the room. I applaud you guys for 02:35:50
diving in here and working on it. Like I said, I'm all for helping out however we need to. 02:35:55
Whatever we need to do here, because I'm all for cleaning up the woods as well. I just see it. Eventually it's going to come to to 02:36:00
a point where. 02:36:04
Where's that line? And who are you gonna let live in the woods? And who are you not gonna let live in the woods? 02:36:09
Well, that's on the elected officials that tell me where that line is. No, that's on the force. 02:36:13
That's a little higher elected. That's that's federal, that's, that's not us, that's those federal guys. 02:36:19
You know, so if there's something based on that this convoluted problem. 02:36:25
If there's something I can do to to go back and come up with some more info, figure some things out and then yeah, present this to 02:36:30
you again if that's what we need. So yeah, I have OK. 02:36:35
So the one thing about the money is that I I would look at it at ten. $15,000 a year isn't a huge amount of money. 02:36:41
You know who knows how many? 02:36:48
Ben and vehicles will actually get into when you start looking at it across the county. I get that, I know that the, the. 02:36:51
Landfill is an enterprise fund. 02:36:58
I also know that all three of us sitting here in front of you have control over that enterprise fund. 02:37:00
So. 02:37:06
We can make whatever decisions we need to make in the future, and if we need to set a cap on it, that's that's fine too. Or not or 02:37:07
or. 02:37:11
So. 02:37:17
Yeah. 02:37:18
Go ahead, Tim. Yeah, I I guess, you know, with James's input, so, so we're gonna have to kind of put something in the yearly 02:37:19
budget. 02:37:22
For. For abandon. 02:37:26
Of. 02:37:30
Property and garbage by people arrested in the forest. 02:37:31
Well, there's two parts. So it it does involve people that are actively living there and we've arrested them for some crime. 02:37:36
And then there's also the ones that. 02:37:43
Have uh. 02:37:46
Their usability for being inhabited has come and gone because they've been trashed so, so badly and they've been out there for so 02:37:48
long that they're no longer inhabitable and they're just simply an eyesore. But we want to get rid of those also. 02:37:55
Go ahead, James. Mr. Chairman, there's as has been noted by all of you that this is a. 02:38:03
A kind of worms. And it's gonna continue to be and will always be. 02:38:09
There are a myriad of laws and legal things that. 02:38:14
Would have to be overcome to do any of this. 02:38:19
I just would offer as the Board of Supervisors that we can. 02:38:23
Make the financial end of it. 02:38:27
To eliminate that as one of the limitations, one of the restrictions that stopped this from going forward. 02:38:29
But what I agree with supervisor Humphrey in that. 02:38:36
Any restitution any? 02:38:39
Repayment of those costs should be pursued. 02:38:41
But uh. 02:38:45
We can. We can eliminate. 02:38:46
The. 02:38:48
Hopefulness of it coming back. Well, well, no We we can. 02:38:49
We want to get whatever we can to come back, but we can eliminate from all of the many steps and all the many things that are 02:38:53
going to limit what we can do. 02:38:58
To eliminate the financial end of it, that that can be addressed, it can be taken care of, and that. 02:39:02
And I know that this is extremely important to all of you, that you're getting constant calls. 02:39:08
About this issue. 02:39:13
And want to be addressed as much as we. 02:39:15
Legally. 02:39:17
And possibly can so financially and we can take care of it and to not have to worry about that going forward. 02:39:18
So under your direction. 02:39:26
Yeah, I I think that you're right on on that deal. 02:39:28
The only thing that I would say is that we have to start somewhere. 02:39:30
And. 02:39:34
This is a good, good start, I think. I mean, we've all been involved in in cleaning up trash piles. 02:39:35
All over the county so far. 02:39:41
The other thing is, is we're gonna have to have some kind of a message that. 02:39:44
That me, as a supervisor, can pass on to my group of people standing there in front of me saying. 02:39:48
Hey, why did you do that? But there's three more of them around the corner over here. Why haven't you gotten those? So just keep 02:39:53
that in mind between you and the Forest Service. 02:39:56
So that we can start addressing that or or at least working with our people to say, hey, look, this is our first steps. 02:40:01
We're gonna cross these bridges as we go along here, but we need a message that. 02:40:07
To to give out to folks. 02:40:12
Yeah. 02:40:14
Yeah, on 1% on board with figuring out which ones to address first because. 02:40:15
Like I said, the the amount of time it's going to take to do one of these. 02:40:20
We're not going to be able to just do a whole bunch all at once. We don't have the personnel to do that. 02:40:24
And there are going to be people that say we got rid of that one, but. 02:40:29
When you're going to do this one? 02:40:33
Right. You know, I don't know if we create a list based on complaints or how close it is to. 02:40:34
The, you know, the trails that are most traveled. You know, I don't, I don't know how to do that. I don't know what the best way 02:40:40
of doing that is. 02:40:43
But I'm kind of looking for some. 02:40:46
Sure. And determining that from you, Sure. 02:40:48
10. 02:40:50
Yeah and and and looking at the ones that OK it. 02:40:51
If they're criminal, we're going to clean that mess up. 02:40:55
It if they're just living there because they have issues. 02:40:58
Well, sorry, we can't clean your place up because. 02:41:03
You haven't. You haven't done anything first or rescue for. 02:41:07
Ohh yeah you know that that's that's kind of a line that we we gotta work with and and and also too I know that the. 02:41:10
That the Forest Service does contract for their garbage. 02:41:18
You know, on the campgrounds and things of that nature. 02:41:21
I mean and and so would that same money with the Forest Service not help clean up some of these places? I don't want to speak for 02:41:24
Matt because I understand no, but we're we're here to ask questions and things. So I mean as we create. 02:41:31
A partnership. You know it. 02:41:39
Could that could that contract money for the? 02:41:41
For their parks and recreational areas, be the same as just the wide open for service. 02:41:44
You know, I mean, it bends their contract. 02:41:50
They're trash out. 02:41:52
That that's that's their trash and and I'm all willing to. 02:41:53
I I think I'm willing to help. I think if we can make this work to get rid of these bigger chunks of trash being the trailers that 02:41:57
they'll deal with, the smaller it'll, it'll start going that way because we've got. 02:42:02
I mean, we've got community groups and Jeep clubs that will go out and clean up huge sections and they're just looking for 02:42:08
somebody to help them with the. 02:42:11
Getting a roll off out there or getting a dump site, I see this perpetuating and in a growing into that. 02:42:16
Where we're not just paying just for the trailer and we're leaving. 02:42:22
The chunks of trash that there's somebody living and I. 02:42:25
My hope is that this grows into that I bet it does. 02:42:28
James, you know in on the federal level and I don't know if Matt would probably have an idea when they talk about. 02:42:32
Maybe that's something Patty can help in in Washington is look forward grant money. That's. 02:42:39
For these specific. 02:42:44
Reasons. 02:42:45
Certainly, Mr. Chairman, we I will. 02:42:47
Ask that question. 02:42:50
Yeah, absolutely. 02:42:51
You're dealing with homeless camps in huge cities. 02:42:53
OK, they need to deal with us too. 02:42:57
Donut, yeah. 02:43:01
OK. Thank you. Yeah, I'm willing to look at, OK, what we can do to help, you know is, is there anything I need to maybe bring back 02:43:04
for another session or do we need to put this into a something for BS approval at a meeting? 02:43:12
You'll have to go through on an agenda item I'm sure to to actually roll it into. 02:43:21
Figure that part out for the guy. Heard enough? Yes, just bring different the final. 02:43:26
We're voting on, you know what I mean, not. 02:43:31
We're over with, Homer. We'll get it tightened up and more. Make an agenda item. Yeah. OK. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks, Sheriff. 02:43:34
Appreciate it. 02:43:37
Thank you for your time. All right. On the 2D information discussion regarding the federal program progress report, Marin? 02:43:42
Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Mayor. 02:43:51
Ohh yeah it is. 02:43:53
OK. 02:43:55
Umm. 02:43:56
I hope not to take up too much of your time. I know that you have other things to do today. 02:43:58
And so you would requested an update on where we are with ARPA and LATCC fund. I'm glad to announce that we did receive the 2nd 02:44:04
tranche of LTCF funds. 02:44:09
Last week or the week before, so that has been successfully received. 02:44:15
And the ARPA projects that you have, um. 02:44:20
Authorized and that. 02:44:26
Radio. 02:44:29
That have been moving forward so far are listed here, including the remodel of some of the patient facilities. 02:44:30
The Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat Center. 02:44:38
The fairgrounds here in southern Henry County. 02:44:40
The digitization project that includes. 02:44:43
Both the actual digitization itself and hardware for that. 02:44:46
A property acquisition and then the brown segment at the top that doesn't have a label on it. 02:44:50
Because it wouldn't fit. It's for vehicles. 02:44:55
So this is just a little graphic that we have and we kept it simple like this for you so that you can refer to it when you're 02:44:58
working with your constituents. 02:45:02
And that we can also hopefully give this to Paul Walter Beck and Carol Broder. 02:45:07
In our public information department to have it included in the annual report for you. 02:45:12
So James, property acquisitions on this, is that kind of slated for the fairgrounds? 02:45:18
These are projects that have already been done. So that's all that the Cedar St. property and the one by the jail. 02:45:24
The probation. 02:45:31
Building in. 02:45:34
Patient. 02:45:35
OK. 02:45:36
OK. 02:45:38
Mr. Chairman, Yeah, I do have a clarification. This is. 02:45:39
The original opera money, which was about 10 and a half million dollars. 02:45:44
And so. 02:45:48
This whole distribution 19% for digitization. 02:45:51
And that is. 02:45:54
The component of. 02:45:56
Ten and a half million dollars every originally got from ARPA. So what we're looking at on this screen is 10 and a half million 02:45:57
dollars. Yes, this is so. 02:46:01
This is the way you've authorized, OK, not all of it is done yet. 02:46:07
You know what I mean? How how much money do we have left? I'm thinking we have about 3 million. There's about 2 1/2 or 3 million 02:46:12
left, depending on how these projects will shake out. And then that will come back in front of us. There's a group to talk about 02:46:16
for other projects. 02:46:20
OK. 02:46:25
Yeah, Mr. Chairman, please, please. 02:46:26
Go ahead, James. 02:46:30
Clarification that. 02:46:31
Well, that, that, this. 02:46:37
What you've presented here is a percent. 02:46:39
That if you're saying that this is. 02:46:42
19% for digitization of. 02:46:45
Ten and a half million dollars is. 02:46:48
Roughly $2,000,000 from roughly 2 million. Yes, some of it's already committed and is underway and some of it is. 02:46:49
Still theoretical when you're saying that there's. 02:46:57
$3,000,000 is that the number? I heard there's three 2 1/2 left left finished projects and and that two and a half million is 02:47:00
committed. 02:47:04
Is this committed money or is this? 02:47:08
The two and a half million that's not been appropriated, not been allocated by the board. 02:47:11
There's two and a half million that is available to complete projects and or be allocated by the board. 02:47:16
Umm. 02:47:23
These, these are the original buckets that were come up with and the funding that's been. 02:47:24
Either allocated or spent. 02:47:30
As needed. 02:47:32
And I'd be happy to to send you more detail on that. And we wanted this to be something that you could use. 02:47:35
And you know, when you're talking to constituents and staff. 02:47:42
And to prioritize other projects also. 02:47:45
Well, I think my opinion would be sometime in the near future, I mean. 02:47:48
Do we feel pretty comfortable that the money we allocated for these projects will finish those projects? 02:47:52
And then we could look at something new for the two and a half million or is it something we need to let that two and a half 02:47:59
million set there until? 02:48:02
We kind of see what our projects are going to fall out at. 02:48:06
I would have to defer to homeroom who's already gone. 02:48:10
We would need to work with facilities much more closely to get. 02:48:14
A percent complete on the biggest projects here. 02:48:17
And I know digitization is still. 02:48:21
About. 02:48:25
What, halfway. 02:48:27
So digitization is at about 50%. 02:48:28
Umm. 02:48:31
So. 02:48:34
Having actual completion percentages in this would be a different presentation. I'd be happy to bring it back. 02:48:35
Maybe at an October work session we've got updated information, but we've already programmed all the money we need to digitize 02:48:42
everything we need to do, right? 02:48:46
Mr. Well, we'll work with finance and we'll get the actual. OK. 02:48:51
What? 02:48:55
List of projects, what the total budget is, what's been completed, spent to date, and what the projected amount is. So we'll break 02:48:56
it out a little bit. 02:49:00
More to get the detail. Yeah. Did that go ahead, Steve. 02:49:04
I'm sorry. Go ahead, Tim, and then I'll make a comment. No, go ahead. OK, well. 02:49:08
Uh. 02:49:13
So the way I kind of perceive what I'm looking at here is that. 02:49:14
Ohh like say Payson remodel 19%. 02:49:18
And. 02:49:22
This is probably going to include the Sheriff's Department that we don't really have a figure on yet exactly. We're not exactly 02:49:23
sure the options going forward and so we still have. 02:49:28
Um decision making. 02:49:34
That will occur. 02:49:37
And the digitization, for instance, is estimated to be 19%. It may be above that, it may be below that. 02:49:38
Am I perceiving that correct, Mayor, correct. OK. So that's kind of what I'm looking at that we've we've sort of kind of come up 02:49:47
with. 02:49:51
Uh. 02:49:55
A vicinity. 02:49:57
That may. 02:49:59
Turn out to be that exact or less or more. 02:50:01
I'm still waiting and I talked to. 02:50:06
Michael this morning. 02:50:09
So I'm anxious to hear our options when it comes to the. 02:50:10
Um Sheriff's Department remodel and so that's that's kind of our next really big decision in my opinion so. 02:50:14
OK. 02:50:21
Ohh thanks. 02:50:22
Yeah, I'm. I'm just wondering when we look at percentages instead of numbers. 02:50:25
And we've got two and a half $1,000,000 left. 02:50:30
What are we going to do with funding to complete some of these projects, like the fairgrounds, like your project, like the 02:50:33
Sheriff's Office? 02:50:37
When this two and a half million dollars is gone. 02:50:42
Mr. Chairman, that's a blank look on finance first face that scares me. 02:50:48
This is to report the numbers, not tell you to check. Yeah, go ahead James. Mr. Robertson, Roger Humphrey as mayor and pointed out 02:50:54
that. 02:50:59
We've got the 2nd tranche of the LTCF money. That's an additional $6 million that has not been appropriated. 02:51:04
At all, so there's. 02:51:11
There is additional funding that will be brought to you. 02:51:13
For consideration of these projects and for future appropriating the dollars to finish whatever already in new projects you might 02:51:16
have. 02:51:19
So, so we we kind of need to look at numbers I would think rather than percentages. 02:51:23
And maybe estimated completion numbers? 02:51:30
Because you just told me we got $8.5 million to finish these projects and any projects that may come up in front of us. 02:51:34
Bingo. 02:51:43
Right, Yes. So we say bingo there, Bingo. So I just plan to work with James and facilities to bring you back what you're actually 02:51:47
looking for in this presentation. 02:51:52
Yeah, cause I good deal, yeah. 02:51:58
I I'm sure any of these projects could take. 02:52:00
What you know, who knows what. So I mean what what we have to get in reality of. 02:52:03
Is these projects projects that we want to work on? 02:52:10
With a budget of $8.5 million. 02:52:15
Mr. Chairman, so and share it. 02:52:21
Yeah. 02:52:25
OK. So the Mickelson building, we're replacing the roof, but we haven't really figured what that's going to cost to remodel. Ohh, 02:52:27
yeah. 02:52:31
Yeah, that that's under control. 02:52:35
How it is OK City of Globe has $750,000 in a congressional appropriation that they have set aside for that. OK so that example 02:52:38
the. 02:52:42
Fairgrounds, we're not sure what it's going to take to complete that and so this is what we're saying. We have still have some 02:52:46
capital to finish these projects that we're not quite sure how much it's going to take to finish. Can you use an example out of my 02:52:52
district? 02:52:57
Yes, they beat the sheriff. 02:53:03
Here's Herman being impatient. 02:53:06
That's going to be a chunk of thank you, yeah. 02:53:09
Yes, yes, I I I said share it. 02:53:13
I said share the 8.5, I was trying to get all of it. 02:53:17
Ohh. 02:53:22
OK. So we will come back to you with more of what you're looking for. Some of the data is extremely granular. 02:53:23
The wall in my office looks like urban artists. You know that term. Like urban artists went a little bananas with every color from 02:53:32
the spray paint selection at Walmart and while we were breaking these out and and aggregating them for you. So we'll we'll bring 02:53:38
you back data that will be useful to you but won't be so granular that. 02:53:44
You'll feel like we're torturing you doing great, Yeah. No. And and I appreciate it. But like I say in reality. 02:53:51
We we've got projects and and we want to do infrastructure and we want to help the Sheriff's Office and we want to help. 02:53:58
Everything. 02:54:04
But reality, We've got a budget. 02:54:06
And that budget is is getting leaner. 02:54:09
As these projects go forward with. 02:54:13
Unexpected costs. 02:54:16
So, you know, we need to kind of get back into reality that if we have to put a brake on, OK, that's fine. What do we need to get 02:54:18
to a place where we can put a brake on? 02:54:24
With these projects, I mean, I I'd love to do tons of things with fairgrounds as an example in my district, but it's like, Tim, 02:54:29
you got, you got reality breaks. 02:54:33
Ohh, OK. If I know that, that's a good thing. 02:54:38
We don't have enough money to get everything done Hillary County wants to do, but I'll just tell you that no. But but like I say, 02:54:43
in all reality, we have to start looking at where we need to put brakes on. Oh yeah, we don't want the projects at all of us love 02:54:49
to do because we only got $8 million to get to a stopping point on the front. We don't want to leave a project hanging out there 02:54:55
that's unfinished that we cannot use. Like you said, we need to. We need to know where we need to stop. 02:55:01
Thanks, Chairman. Hmm. 02:55:09
Cares what the source of the money is and and where where it is that it's it's an obligation. 02:55:11
I feel some obligation of us as a county to appropriate dollars annually whether it's from. 02:55:16
General tax dollars or whatever it is to complete these projects and so as. 02:55:22
We continue to work with the Board of Supervisors of. 02:55:27
Prioritizing the projects. 02:55:29
The money that we get from. 02:55:32
Arpo or LACF is going to run out. 02:55:33
But that doesn't stop the projects they're gonna continue on because. 02:55:37
The count is going to go on forever and. 02:55:41
Some of the projects that. 02:55:44
Like I know out in Central Heights, the roof is needs replaced, be replaced. There there's just. 02:55:47
There's ongoing projects that we need to do and we will continue to do those. 02:55:52
Do those will identify those through facilities? 02:55:56
And we'll continue to look to annual appropriations through. 02:55:59
Our capital budget. 02:56:02
And as a part of the. 02:56:03
Budget of the county as a whole. 02:56:05
James, I have a question for you on this and I don't know why I'm thinking this my my dreamed it, but. 02:56:07
Did we use some of this ARPA money to help with the landfill expansion? 02:56:13
Mr. Chairman, No. OK that that is an enterprise fund and so the landfill, anything to landfill is going to be paid for out of the 02:56:18
landfill fills resources. 02:56:22
Well, I knew that in general, but for some reason I was thinking we might tapped into this because we had the unexpected parts of 02:56:27
the landfill expansion and stuff. So OK whether, whether. 02:56:32
Whatever the landfill is gonna pay for anything to do with the expansions both in the north and the and the South. 02:56:38
What are the current both landfills? They're gonna pay for it internally? 02:56:44
Good. 02:56:48
LTCF funds. 02:56:50
So the Local Area and Tribal Consistency Fund. 02:56:54
The distribution calculation was based on the same ratio that the federal government uses to determine your pills. 02:56:57
So when you go to Nago. 02:57:04
Here in a few few weeks for the fly in on pill. 02:57:07
It's the same ratio that determines that as determined this. 02:57:11
And. 02:57:16
For this, we had two tranches of $6 million each. We just got the second one. 02:57:17
We worked closely with our Cpas and. 02:57:23
With guidance from the auditor general's office, because the guidance that came out with this funding was not particularly clear. 02:57:26
What the guidance says is you can use it for any government purpose except for lobbying. 02:57:32
Right. 02:57:38
Like what? One page of guidance? Super helpful. So we worked with our CPA's and we worked with the auditor general's office. 02:57:39
We had several funds here in the county that were consistently running at a deficit and they were funds that were providing 02:57:47
services countrywide that just. 02:57:52
They're just not general revenue generating funds. For example, facilities, facilities doesn't get revenue. 02:57:57
But the way that the. 02:58:03
Accounting structure was built. 02:58:05
But 15 years ago, long before Mr. Mullah and I came on board, the way the accounting structure was built. 02:58:08
Facilities were sitting out there like an island. 02:58:14
And it was looking like a sore thumb, like like it was running in a deficit every year. And that's not how facilities works, 02:58:18
right? Facilities provide service for all of us. 02:58:22
They make sure your office isn't gonna fall down. They make sure the AC's on. 02:58:27
So we worked with our CPA firm and the auditor general's office to properly account for this. 02:58:30
Funding. 02:58:36
And to find a way that we could relieve those some of those deficits. 02:58:37
I'm. 02:58:42
Since COVID to now to relieve some of those deficits so that our financial statements show a more accurate picture. 02:58:43
Of. 02:58:51
What it cost to run the county and then James? 02:58:52
And I work together with. 02:58:55
The folks in facilities and in public works. 02:58:58
And also in Fleet and fuel to come up with a new way to structure the accounting system so that that doesn't happen anymore. So 02:59:01
you're not going to open our financial statements and be like wow, facilities ran into a $3,000,000 deficit because that's just 02:59:07
not an accurate way to. 02:59:12
To. 02:59:18
Share the information. 02:59:19
So we use the funding, the 1st 5.1 million of it to alleviate. 02:59:20
I missed it went under your desk, but I'll get it. 02:59:27
Sorry. No, don't. I'm sorry. 02:59:30
We we use the 1st 5.9 million to alleviate those deficits and make make those funds whole so that you won't see. 02:59:34
Umm. 02:59:42
These. 02:59:43
Deficit funds on the financial statements. 02:59:44
And then there's about $900,000 still from the first tranche and then there's this new tranche of 6 million that we have 02:59:47
available. 02:59:51
And. 02:59:56
That's what we're here to ask you today. So what kinds of projects? What what would you like us to bring you? 02:59:58
To consider. 03:00:04
With with the that fund. 03:00:06
I think what I would like to see is is we have a another work session where us three will bring you some projects to work with. 03:00:08
Awesome. 03:00:12
But I got a question for you or maybe James. 03:00:18
So if we used some that LTL, TCF funds to bill out, let's say facilities. 03:00:21
I I guess I don't quite understand that because those funds are going to go away and then what are we going to use? 03:00:29
I mean. 03:00:35
Ohh, does that what? I'm sorry, go ahead. I interrupt you. So that's how when James restructured the accounting system. Uh-huh. 03:00:37
Facilities now lives in general fund. 03:00:45
So you won't see that deficit. 03:00:48
There won't. It won't be like this artificial. 03:00:50
Outlier over here that. 03:00:53
Doesn't get revenue, so it just looks like it's running in the hole. 03:00:55
You'll be able to see the whole picture of what it costs you to run the general fund. So is is that where I think we had a 03:00:59
conversation Once Upon a time about breaking out different? 03:01:04
Parts of the county that actually pays. 03:01:10
Uh. 03:01:13
For space. 03:01:14
Or comes out of their budget every year for space. 03:01:16
Is that all part of it, Mr. Chairman? 03:01:19
OK. 03:01:21
OK. They there are certain departments that are part of the general fund just general appropriation like facility that's servicing 03:01:24
the entire. 03:01:27
Counting. 03:01:32
And for some reason in the accounting structure, they pulled that out and put it out here on an island. 03:01:33
And then? 03:01:39
To fund that had to do transfer from the general fund to that island. 03:01:41
That never took place in the past. 03:01:46
And so. 03:01:49
We've had to. 03:01:50
Correct that. We've had to fix that. 03:01:52
Of what has gone on for. 03:01:54
Years previous. 03:01:57
OK. 03:01:59
OK, so we're looking at like 6.9 right now in LTCF funds. Cool. 03:02:00
Go ahead. 03:02:08
New number 9.4 million. 03:02:10
Right. 03:02:13
Yes, yes, right. Because the the 900,000 wasn't in your original 8.5 that we were just talking about. You're right. OK. So it's 03:02:14
getting better every minute. 03:02:18
Thanks Myron. So I look. 03:02:23
So I think we all have agreed from time to time that we not only represent our district, but we represent everything that's going 03:02:26
on in the county. And so if I may use once again a project in Supervisor Humphreys. 03:02:33
District. 03:02:40
The fairgrounds. The fairgrounds. 03:02:41
And other projects like it, I think we need to have a sort of a master plan to where this is about where the finish line will be. 03:02:44
And as Supervisor Klein said, we can't just get halfway through something that still doesn't. 03:02:54
Have any ability to function completely. So we need to look and say, OK, how much is it going to take to get to the fairgrounds to 03:03:00
kind of this point? 03:03:04
That we consider good. We also can look at them. Pleasant Valley. 03:03:08
Veterans Retreat who has been funded quite a bit with the state so. 03:03:12
It's. 03:03:17
It's not on the same level of critical in my opinion as far as funding goes, it's got a lot of funding. 03:03:18
And so then we just kind of have to look at all of those. So I don't have a list for you on how to spend 9.4 million. 03:03:25
But I do think that we should. 03:03:34
At some point have another work study that says in order to finish this project, that project, that project, that project we're 03:03:36
looking at. 03:03:39
This kind of money. 03:03:43
And then we can start making decisions on future projects. 03:03:45
You know, we could do it like the old days. We'll just split it in thirds and call it a day. How's that? 03:03:49
We have to buy three tickets. 03:03:57
There. There's a lot of projects we got going and I'm so excited about all of them. 03:04:00
And some we still have unknown numbers out there and directions. We just purchased the property on Main Street in Payson that has 03:04:04
a little house on it. And so what's the future of that look like and do we need to consider that now or let? 03:04:12
Somebody else down the road figured that one out. And so anyway, that's kind of. 03:04:20
I've got a lot of ideas actually I haven't shared yet, so. 03:04:25
Let's let's let's get our current projects in order and then we'll start working on future ones. Are they in my district? 03:04:30
Are they in the Forest Service? 03:04:40
OK. So I will work with with Michael to get on a work session in October or November and then I will work with Facilities and 03:04:47
James. 03:04:51
To get you the presentation that you're actually looking for and then we'll we'll hopefully have. 03:04:56
Some milestones that we can measure against dollars. 03:05:01
That will help you make wise decisions That would really help, man. OK, yeah, that would help. That's all. 03:05:05
Great. 03:05:10
James. 03:05:11
Mr. Chairman, we'll work to get those numbers to you sooner than the next. 03:05:12
Making out. 03:05:17
This is the money we've had, and this is where it's gone to each project. OK, we'll get that to you sooner. 03:05:18
Yep, that that we can get to you by the end of this week. I just. 03:05:23
OK, putting it in a format that is. 03:05:27
Digestible in this kind of a setting is. 03:05:29
Something I'm still learning. 03:05:32
It's alright. You're doing great man. 03:05:34
I agree, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate all your efforts. 03:05:37
Thank you. And I think that's. 03:05:42
Unless you have more questions, that's everything for me. I think we'll have questions later when we get some more numbers. So, 03:05:45
yeah, Thank you. OK. Yeah. Thanks, man. Thank you, man. 03:05:49
OK, we're gonna move on to #3 because I think there's some ladies in Payson that want to talk to us. 03:05:54
And that is called to the public so. 03:06:01
Who do we have in Payson and? 03:06:05
No. 03:06:09
Ohh, we'll eat up the whole day. We're good. 03:06:10
Hi, my name is Annie Doggett. 03:06:13
I wanted to speak to you all today because. 03:06:17
We have something going on in our community and I've been a member of this community for more than 20 years. 03:06:20
And I've not seen this in our community before, I. 03:06:28
This is this is something that's going on. It's the drag queen shows and. 03:06:35
Um, essentially these are popping up in pine and paste on right now and one is scheduled for our parks here in in Ramsey Park over 03:06:40
here and this actually happens to be scheduled for. 03:06:49
The weekend that our soccer tournaments are starting. 03:06:59
This drag show is. 03:07:03
I would say an an inappropriate event to have you having in a public space. 03:07:06
I attended the the meeting that was for the town council and basically we presented our case that we asked that this event be 03:07:12
moved from a public venue to a private venue so that our children wouldn't be exposed to this. 03:07:21
And it was met pretty much with the duck ears from our from our town council members. And so I would like to actually show you 03:07:31
that our. 03:07:37
Arizona Senate passed a bill on this. 03:07:43
And in our. 03:07:48
Our governor. 03:07:51
Um. 03:07:52
She took it upon herself to veto it almost right away. 03:07:54
Um, I'm concerned. 03:07:59
That our government is not taking this seriously, that our children are being exposed to this over sexualized. 03:08:01
Um, event. And if it was a gay pride thing, it was just a party for the gay pride. That would that would be a totally different 03:08:10
issue, the fact that they're bringing in these people to dance. 03:08:16
They're encouraging them to collect tips. 03:08:23
From from the people who are coming in to view this, the fact that they're doing this in a public venue in the park. 03:08:27
Um, where kids can be exposed to it and they are shutting us down about. We've tried to work with them to actually have it moved. 03:08:35
And so. 03:08:47
It's very frustrating for some of us. 03:08:49
That this. 03:08:52
Issue is not being addressed, so I'd like to explain a little bit here. 03:08:54
About the law. 03:09:01
This law that was passed by the by the state Senate. 03:09:03
Um, the Katie Hobbs has vetoed. It actually was directly about sexual performances and initially this this bill was made for. 03:09:07
The people who are performing these drag performances, they made them take that language out of the bill. But they they made sure 03:09:21
to protect parks, schools, recreation areas. They had to be 1/4 of a mile away from a church, all of these places and so. 03:09:32
The fact that they shut that down. 03:09:45
They saw that this was an issue. 03:09:48
And the governor, One person was able to override all of that. 03:09:50
And not protect our children. 03:09:55
Is an issue for us. 03:09:59
And so I would actually like to start with our county and have our county. 03:10:01
Be. 03:10:09
The center of this issue, considering there's already been two of these drag shows and crime. 03:10:11
And this one is scheduled for September 30th. 03:10:18
At Ramsey Park. 03:10:23
And there's a bunch of us who would really, really like to protect our children. 03:10:25
Um, it was difficult for a lot of people to get here just because of the timing and the middle of the week and stuff like that, so 03:10:30
but I'm following. 03:10:35
Several different. 03:10:40
Umm. 03:10:42
Lines of people who are looking into different aspects of this. And actually I would really like to have some sort of special 03:10:43
counsel on this so that we can present evidence that we've gathered that this is not an innocent party, this is a sexualized 03:10:50
performance. 03:10:57
That. 03:11:05
Is aimed at our children. They're inviting families to come in now, they have said. 03:11:06
Ohh, we're not doing that. But that is not true. So. 03:11:12
I would like to bring it up. 03:11:17
With this muscle with you all, because the town council is completely ignoring it and I believe this is an issue for the whole 03:11:19
county because it involves pine as well. 03:11:25
So. 03:11:31
That's my my little spiel here and I'm hoping you guys are going to listen because I really feel that this is an important issue 03:11:33
that we need to address here. 03:11:37
Thank you for stepping up there and and. 03:11:43
And giving us that information and. 03:11:46
I know I don't have to answer on some of this, but I'm going to give you an opportunity, Steve, because this is in your district. 03:11:50
If you got anything you want to say to this, well, I will say this is a call to the public. So there's not a lot that I can say. 03:11:57
I will say this thank you for. 03:12:04
Presenting today and having the courage to do so. 03:12:08
And. 03:12:13
I don't think I can really offer much more than that right now in this meeting. 03:12:14
But thank you very much. 03:12:20
For what you said and. 03:12:23
Those that support. 03:12:25
Your point of view. 03:12:27
Thank you. 03:12:28
Thank you so much. 03:12:31
OK, there's no one here, No one on YouTube. OK, got another one. 03:12:34
Ohh, we got no one. OK. I'm sorry, can you tell us your name and. 03:12:39
Hi. 03:12:43
Britney Jones and I believe I sent you all an e-mail yesterday. I would like to also weigh in my thoughts about this drag show 03:12:44
issue that's brewing in our town. 03:12:49
I I agree completely with the statements that were just made. I am not, I am not OK with it happening at a park. I feel like that 03:12:55
is a very inappropriate and I was under the impression that the Board of Supervisors is who actually. 03:13:03
Approves. 03:13:11
Permits and I was hoping that we might be able to reach out to you guys and and I second the motion for a special session on this 03:13:13
matter because I feel like it is important. 03:13:18
And there is a lot of evidence that can be prevented or presented to you to show. 03:13:23
That the group organizing this drag show is not what They're not innocent. They're not doing what they say they're doing. They're, 03:13:30
in my opinion, because I I work with predators. 03:13:36
On a regular basis, they're just, they're absolutely displaying predatory behavior in my opinion, and the fact that they've been 03:13:44
dishonest about it raises even more red flags. I reached out to their group personally and have been. I spent half of last week 03:13:51
calling various businesses to try and find them somewhere else to go, and they made it very clear to me that they're not willing 03:13:58
to move, they're not willing to go anywhere else, anywhere else, and that their group. 03:14:05
And from what I can tell, the town council is more willing to create some large unrealistic budget to try and manage this 03:14:12
situation and allow it to happen at the park rather than just preventing it and moving it and requiring it to be done in an 03:14:20
appropriate setting. And I would like to ask you if you plan on allocating special funds to the Sheriff's Department to help 03:14:27
manage that event, because there is not enough local Police Department to handle it, so there. 03:14:35
And in fact, there's not enough between the sheriff and the local police. There's been multiple organizations that have already 03:14:42
discussed forming protests and counter protests and rallies. And I just, I don't see why we are even having this discussion when 03:14:50
there are other places that are more appropriate for this event to take place. And I I would like a special session to discuss it. 03:14:57
And I do feel like since you guys are the Board of Supervisors and have. 03:15:04
Permanent approval. I feel like there is a way that you guys should be able to help us on this, and it shouldn't be just left up 03:15:12
to the town council who's clearly ignoring the wishes of the people. 03:15:18
Thank you for your your comments. 03:15:24
Tell a patient is the one that proves their their permits in town of patient. It's not us. 03:15:29
So. 03:15:34
Correct. But you're you're with Mr. Chairman, yeah. And this. 03:15:35
Use permit. 03:15:39
Ramada uses a permit. 03:15:41
Yeah, hang on just a minute, Mr. Chairman, these these are called to the public, so they're just comments from the public order 03:15:43
supervisor, not take any action. 03:15:47
Or really do anything right? Respond to the comments from the public. 03:15:52
Right. But I feel like this is inadequate question for us like in downtown Payson we don't, we don't deal with. 03:15:57
Permits interpretation, so you do have the ability to respond to criticism. So here you could respond by indicating right. 03:16:04
Or to supervisors does not have any authority in regard to her. Yeah, that's what I thought and. 03:16:11
Another thing I would say is we have no county parks. 03:16:16
In in Pine. 03:16:20
So we're. 03:16:22
So obviously that's going to be something on private property that we don't have jurisdiction over as well. That's what I would 03:16:23
say. 03:16:26
Terry, you can instruct staff to look into it because these events so happened in Pine as well. So it is not just a just a town of 03:16:30
Payton only issue. It is a it is a community issue and it is going to probably reach your community soon. If it's allowed to 03:16:37
happen here. I can't imagine why they wouldn't be trying to put it on at your park too, so is unincorporated. 03:16:44
That's the difference. 03:16:52
Yeah, it is, but it's an. It's an unincorporated. 03:16:55
Town, basically. 03:16:59
So that there's no government in Pine except us which is the only leads private property where on a lot of this we don't have 03:17:01
jurisdiction. But I will say that maybe we can go ahead and. 03:17:07
And direct staff to look into it a little bit more and see what more comes out to be in. 03:17:12
Is that kosher, Jessica? Yes, OK. 03:17:19
Yeah. 03:17:22
Mr. Chairman and stop me when I've crossed the line. 03:17:24
So uh. 03:17:29
I believe I'm hearing. 03:17:31
That. 03:17:33
We are being asked to look into. 03:17:35
Perhaps a county ordinance that would deal with. 03:17:38
Sexual demonstrations. 03:17:41
Sexual performances. 03:17:43
In public, not on private property. We don't have anything to do with that. 03:17:46
Along with other lewd riotous behavior. 03:17:54
I recall the KKK being turned away in Payson a few years ago. 03:18:00
Uh. 03:18:06
Cross burning. 03:18:07
Umm. 03:18:09
We could go into a lot of different demonstrations. 03:18:10
That are socially. 03:18:15
On the edge and so I think they're asking. 03:18:18
Us to direct staff to see if there's anything. 03:18:22
Available. 03:18:26
Uh to. 03:18:28
A Leave. 03:18:30
These kind of concerns in a community. 03:18:32
I'm good with that. Did I say that right? 03:18:36
That's that's about all we can do today. 03:18:39
Are you able to answer me it? Will any any special funds be allocated to the local sheriff department to handle this situation? 03:18:43
Chairman on using any of the money from your budget to allocate funds to them to ensure the safety of the public so. 03:18:51
I think you know the answer, Chair. Yeah, OK, so. 03:19:00
I wished I could, but under call to the public. It is just that we hear concerns. 03:19:03
In order to do anything more than that, it has to be rolled into an agenda item to discuss. 03:19:09
And so. 03:19:15
Umm. 03:19:16
That's that's about all I can comment on without Jessica really getting that right now. So can this be made into an agenda item 03:19:18
that is discussed, We will look into it. 03:19:23
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, ladies. 03:19:29
OK, well, wait a minute. We're not done, aren't we? 03:19:34
New. 03:19:37
OK. I think that is all for call the public and we'll go on to updates #4 James, do you have any updates? 03:19:40
I do. 03:19:48
Umm. 03:19:51
The 11th we had a county managers meeting, of which I continue to be the chair of the county managers for Arizona. 03:19:53
And discuss many of the priorities, many of the things that we will be continuing on for the next year are selfish and what our 03:19:59
priorities are and working with CSA staff. 03:20:03
For that. 03:20:09
I steal your Thunder, but had a. 03:20:10
Being on the 16th in Pleasant Valley to. 03:20:12
Review what work had been done. 03:20:15
With the arc of money and the LACF money. 03:20:18
And what progress has been made there? 03:20:22
And also with the $3,000,000 that's been appropriated by the state legislature. 03:20:24
And probable of congressionally directed spending of about 1/3 of $1,000,000 of utilizing that and planning for. 03:20:30
Utilizing those funds going forward and. 03:20:37
In that sight, because they are. 03:20:40
Designated for spending on those sites. 03:20:44
Had a. 03:20:48
Meeting. 03:20:50
On the 22nd. 03:20:52
A week ago. 03:20:53
On the Arizona Local Government Employee Benefit Trust our. 03:20:55
Health Insurance Trust and the trust is healthy. 03:20:59
And look to continue to do so. 03:21:04
On the 23rd last week had a meeting with the Payson. 03:21:07
Transportation Advisory Committee and the I want to express appreciation to the Town Basement. 03:21:10
For taking the feline bus system. 03:21:16
And the northern part of the county and having established that, managing that, controlling that. 03:21:19
And thankful for the. 03:21:25
Members of the. 03:21:27
Transportation Advisory committee that are spending time to support transportation. 03:21:28
In the northern part of the county. 03:21:33
Had this discussion with CSA regarding the legislative policies that we have proposed, the two of them that we've submitted to. 03:21:38
CSA for discussion at the CSA Lodge. 03:21:45
Legislative policy. 03:21:49
Summit. 03:21:50
And they are. 03:21:52
They're continuing to work on compiling that information so we can have. 03:21:54
Ohh, background information. Everything put together so we can have meaningful discussion with other supervisors from throughout 03:21:58
the state. 03:22:01
At the summit. 03:22:04
And we will review those before we go into the summit. So we make sure we've got everything that we need to, to have that 03:22:05
discussion with them. 03:22:09
Get. 03:22:22
The we had gotten for the Intercontinental Public Transport Transit Authority. 03:22:24
Transportation authority, we got a bid back from AE Com about continuing that and getting that established and that's. 03:22:30
The ITA. 03:22:39
That is over transit throughout the county. 03:22:40
Got a bid from a com to continue with that getting our IGA's with the other cities and towns established. 03:22:43
That came back at $130,000. 03:22:50
And I after I. 03:22:52
Got picked up off the floor. I said there's no way that I could come to you as a board to say we can commit that much money, so. 03:22:54
We're having a meeting on the 6th. 03:23:01
With the other incorporated cities and towns to. 03:23:04
I come up with a plan of how we continue on and getting the IGA written, getting that established so that the IGA. 03:23:07
That I PTA can be fully. 03:23:13
Operating and functional within Helicon. 03:23:15
That is on September 6th. 03:23:17
And. 03:23:21
I'll stop there. 03:23:29
Thank you, James. Tim. 03:23:31
I'm good, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Steve. Thanks. I'll be real quick. I was on KMG yesterday, Very positive. 03:23:34
They have a new. 03:23:41
Host. 03:23:43
Steve Otto and so that really well had a lot of really good positive comments. 03:23:44
About UH. 03:23:50
Our Emergency Management and several others. So and then also last Tuesday I went to the veterans coffee time which is in Payson 03:23:52
always good and I also wanted to let everyone know if you don't that Alex Kendrick who's with our wastewater in the Payson area 03:23:58
was promoted. 03:24:04
Or yeah, promoted to civil engineer with Tom Goodman. So we had a little cake to celebrate. 03:24:11
Good. Good deal. 03:24:19
Ohh, I only have a couple of them and the one I mentioned earlier, I had a zoom meeting with Coconino County on that on that what 03:24:21
they're proposing and wanting to take forward to the. 03:24:26
Legislative Conference and that was on the. 03:24:32
The emergency money through gift from. 03:24:35
And so we'll all hear more about that down there. 03:24:38
And then the Valentine fire was a little fire on the Pleasant Valley side, 14 acres. They brought team in. They're going to turn 03:24:40
it into 10,000 acres. It rained and they can't burn anything and so. 03:24:46
They're gonna it's in the middle of a prescribed block, so they're gonna burn it a little later anyway if it dries out. 03:24:51
Good turn. Out though was the meeting last night, the community meeting in Christopher Creek and. 03:24:57
Let us pray 30-40 people there, So it was a good turnout. 03:25:02
And other than that, that's all I had so. 03:25:06
I need to read this, don't I? Chairman, Supervisors. It's completely your call. I'm not sure if you want to table the item or if 03:25:10
you want to move forward today. If it's with, if it's at the pleasure of the rest of the board, I would say we need to have this 03:25:15
session. 03:25:21
We're here. Alright, let's do it. Alright, so let's go on to 5 executive session items is. 03:25:27
Information Discussion Action to vote to go into Executive Session pursuant to Rs 38431.03 A 3. 03:25:34
For discussion and consultation for legal advice regarding an intergovernmental agreement. 03:25:43
With the Healer County Provisional Community College District and for the board to approve direction to the attorneys. 03:25:49
Jessica, who will be the one leading this? And so I did entertain a motion to go into effect these sessions. Don't move, Mr. 03:25:55
Chair. And I will second that having a motion and a second all in favor. Do so by saying aye. Aye, aye, aye. Motion carries. We'll 03:25:59
be back. 03:26:04
People making sure yes. 03:26:18
To bring this back into session, it is. 03:26:20
Time Is it 10F? 03:26:23
2. 03:26:26
Is that right? Yes, it is. Yeah. 03:26:26
And I didn't gain a motion. 03:26:29
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that. 03:26:30
Staff. 03:26:35
Will. 03:26:37
Conduct themselves as directed in the Executive session, Item 5A. 03:26:39
I'll second that having a motion. And second, all in favor. Do so by saying aye. Aye, Aye, aye. Motion carries and meeting 03:26:45
adjourned. Thanks. 03:26:49
Done. 03:26:54
Where you been? 03:26:57