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Samantha, we're good here.
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Good to go.
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OK.
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Good morning everyone. November 14th, it's 959, so let's get started with.
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Our regular meeting today and the first.
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Order of business will be the Pledge of Allegiance, and then we will have the invocation by Mr. Tim McDonald of Church of the
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Nation.
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Of the United States.
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One nation under God in the middle with liberty.
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Whenever you're ready, Mr. McDonald.
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All right. Thank you. Let's pray.
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Father, we're so grateful this morning that you are the God of wisdom, and today we ask you for wisdom, knowledge and
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understanding.
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That she would need of what her supervisors, this great county, That you would lead them in directions, father and strategy.
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We thank you that by your wisdom drug use and crime will be reduced in our county. And we thank you that by your wisdom and
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knowledge that prosperity will reign for our businesses. We thank you, Father, that you're giving each one the knowledge and the
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wisdom and the understanding that they need. And we lean on you and in you we trust in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
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OK, brace yourself. We're going to make a little change this morning. Item 2A is going to probably take a little bit of time. So
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we're going to start off with item 3.
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Which will only take a few minutes and so item 3A is Information Discussion action.
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To approve economic development agreement.
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103023 between Healey County and the RIM Country Camera Club in the amount of $7370.71 to support the Rim Country Camera Club to
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supply cameras.
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And equipment to the Rim Country Middle School digital photography class and program which the board is determined to be for the
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benefit of the public. This is my item. This is coming from my constituent fund.
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And this is for the purpose of Prov.
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Low on loan equipment to the school system, specifically the middle class.
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The class that deals with the arts and photography as they are very short handed on that and so with us today we have Sheila
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Cornett and Sheila. If you would come forward to the microphone, Sheila is on the.
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Board of directors for the Camera Club, and she just has a few ones.
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Good morning. Thank you, Steve and members of the Supervisors Board. I am here representing a new country camera club, A501C3,
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nonprofit organization of camera enthusiasts with sick hearts for room country.
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Recently we learned needed for cameras for our classroom and when our classrooms in the middle school. Our Board of directors has
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been searching for a way to get cameras and the passion for photography into the hands of kids.
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We would like to purchase 9 cameras and three lenses for each camera and a four year warranty on the equipment.
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This is a perfect way to share our passion and fulfill our mission of education and giving back to the community.
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We thank you for your consideration and helping us share photography with our kids.
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Thank you. Yeah. Thank you Shiva Supervisor Hunt for any comments.
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Supervisor Klein. I'm good.
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Just as a for your own knowledge, I'm also on the Board of Directors of this 501C3, so I will abstain from a vote today with
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regard to that and I'll entertain a motion.
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I got it. OK, Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to approve Economic Development Agreement number 10.
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02/3 with RIM country camera club in the mouth of $7370.71.
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Which the board has determined to be for the benefit of the public. Mr. Chair. I'll second that. Have a motion in a second. All
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those in favor say aye.
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And I abstained. Thank you. Thank you, she.
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Have a great day.
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OK, let's move on now. We're going to get back over to item 2.
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Which is a public.
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Information Discussion Action to adopt A resolution #23-11-05, which will approve Helena County community Development case number
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CU PP2308-001, a request by R3S Ventures LLC. Owners are Sean Sanchez in care of Vertical Bridge.
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And they are the applicants for a conditional use permit upon Gila County assessors parcel #304-37-006B.
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Located at section 27 in the Township.
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And range 10 E in Payson, AZ. And presenting this to us today is Randy Bummer.
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Morning Chairman Supervisors. By the way, this is a project that will require a unanimous decision.
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Umm.
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We currently.
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9 letters, one voicemail, a petition signed by 32 people.
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And justice. Literally minutes before the meeting, I was handed a.
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Of letters. Some of these are already in your packet. I looked through it real quickly and we've had some of these.
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But I like to make sure this is in the record.
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And all of them are against.
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This.
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This is a tower located.
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Jake.
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Basically kind of behind the.
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So it gives you an idea where this is. You're probably pass it. Every time you go by there is another tower.
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Across the street that is approximately 800 feet away from where they want this tower.
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So Sean Chances is working on behalf of Vertical Bridge which is proposing to install a new multi carrier tower with associated
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equipment.
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Per the applicant, the property is ideal for its location as there is a significant need for improved coverage in the area and
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significant space.
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Per the.
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The estimated time of construction will be approximately 6 weeks.
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The initial anchor anchor tenant will be.
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The Heights will allow for additional carriers to be Co located on the tower in the future.
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This is a multi tenant site, however there will be no structures.
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There will also be elevated equipment.
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Power to the site will be obtained or obtained from.
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A proposal utility access easement will extend Northwest Connect.
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Arizona State Route 188, per the landowner.
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There are fuel tanks on the property from the existing store that are not in use at this time.
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I do want you to be aware there is an existing tower located approximately 800 feet away.
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In February of 2018.
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The local or the Planning Zoning Commission approved a conditional use permit to extend the existing.
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Lattice tower from 150 to 162 to allow carriers including T-Mobile to added a dish for a new antenna to be installed. So that's on
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the existing tower that's 800 feet away from this one.
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So there was an approval at one point for this.
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Umm.
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On.
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October 19th, 2023 PNC held the Commission and voted unanimously to approve. I do want to state.
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This item got tabled.
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So on the original meeting, which was the month before.
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They had a open meeting, had public comments.
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The meeting was tabled.
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Half staff.
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Two pieces.
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One was this tower is being located in a flood plain area.
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And so they wanted to hear from our floodplain engineer of any requirements that he would have. And then they also had us research
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if there's any state statues that require a certain distance between towers.
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On the second meeting, so the first meeting was tabled for that was coming back to those two things I will tell you on the 2nd
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post.
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Staff put out the wrong post.
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And it said there was going to be more public comment than there was not.
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The meeting was held with the public comment. It was opened and closed.
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The board, the PNG commissioners, were coming back to hear from staff before their vote.
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But the publications that we did did say there would be public comment and there were not in the second meeting.
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PG commissioner did not.
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We did meet all the requirements of state statute for the public meetings and here is another public meeting.
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So I just wanted.
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Get all that out there.
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So there are currently.
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16 conditions.
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That would go with this.
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Umm.
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Kind of the normal ones. They have to comply with the applications that they've put in.
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Maximum heights will be 165 feet with.
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With the lightning rod on it.
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That has to be engineered. It has to have a fall zone requirement. They have to obtain all of the.
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Requirements for flood zone.
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Um.
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Permits are supposed to be issued within one.
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Applicants must gain approval of the floodplain.
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Current lease agreement with our 35 ventures shall be submitted prior to the issuance of building permit. The fuel tanks on the
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site are pretty close to the antenna and equipment.
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So we had stated that and they're closed off now and not in use. We had said prior to anyone using those, they have to get State
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Fire Marshall to approve the use of those tanks.
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With that.
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Umm.
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That if the 155 foot communication pole with the 10 foot lightning rod a power plant shall be removed from the property at the
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owners expense immediately. If the monopole becomes unstable or obsolete, all lighting, all lighting shall apply with heel county
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outdoor ordinance. The equipment area shall be secured and vandal proof the fence and closing this the structure cannot exceed 6
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feet.
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Extraction of compliance upon construction completion by the County building department will be given. No other use is allowed.
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And access and utility easement is required as responsibility owners to obtain Allstate, federal and local permits that would go
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along with this.
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Um.
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There's been a lot of talk about the tower and the aesthetics.
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That's that's all you're up here, your guys's disc.
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There is no one except, I believe, the object that has submitted approval or.
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Wanting this tower, but I will state there has been a lot of talk about lack of service and I think it's been talked about. I know
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we've talked about commissions.
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Every time someone goes through there, they drop phone calls and everyone everything else so.
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Um.
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Again, this is for 155 foot tower with a 10 foot lightning rod, so it'll be 165 feet total height.
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It is in the floodplain.
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And they will have to meet all those requirements.
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And I believe that a representative.
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For.
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Sanchez is here.
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To give you a presentation of why they think the tower is a good idea. And then I believe there are people here that will talk
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against the town.
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Again, this will require a unanimous decision of other supervisors.
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There are currently 14 properties.
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Within the 300 feet.
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I'm going to tell you there's at least five against it.
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Within that 300 feet, there could be more. There is a mobile Home Park there.
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That tenants of that park are have sent in that they're against it, but we haven't been able to prove that they're owners of the
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land and our owners has land owners get to the 20% Rd. exceeding the 20% without them. So it could be more.
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I don't want to say anything that's.
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Lead us either way, but there are tenants in that park that are in the 300 feet that have stated they're against it. But again we
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have not been able to confirm their land owners of that mobile Home Park.
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So, but we do have 5 confirmed land owners out of the 14 that have.
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Are against it.
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Do you have any questions? Be more than happy to.
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Thank you, Randy. Supervisor Humphrey questions for Randy. Yeah, I have several questions you mentioned.
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The the tanks would have to be approved.
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By the state in order to have fuel in them again.
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OK, they're above ground tanks.
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Yes. Yeah so so they can be moved. Another question on the on the store, yeah, I know you guys are shaking your head, but I'm, I'm
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asking questions you guys will get your chance to talk okay now if the if the.
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Would this tower prevent the store from opening as a store? Absolutely not. No. OK.
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One another question, you say that there is a mobile Home Park there, Would that be Sunset Circle or Mountain View?
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I believe it's Mountain View is that.
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This is Kim. She's the 1 tracks. All this for me. So, OK, yeah, I have it as Jake's Corner.
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States Corner, RV State State, Jake, Jakes, Jake So so neither one of them are Mountain View or Sunset Circle that is not the
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Trader Park.
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Not within the 300, not within the.
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OK. Thank you. Thank you.
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I have no further questions of Brandy right now, but I may after some of the public comments, sure. Supervisor Klein, anything for
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Randy. So, so Randy, there was one public meeting held with the planning and zoning.
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Correct and opened up the meeting for further.
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Had several people come and make their.
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They closed the meeting and right before the.
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They tabled it to have staff research whether there is a state statue that states how far towers have to be apart and any special
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requirements for building in the floodway. So we it was tabled. We brought it back to the to the next meeting.
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Right. And so yes, I'm going to say that there was probably some confusion there. And so you've you've got five out of the 14 that
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are confirmed against the tower within that 300 feet.
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Correct. So the other nine has had, they've been notified and everyone's been notified, the letters were sent out and you know
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sometimes people don't respond some.
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You know, I don't know.
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Why they didn't, But I know we have enough that under our ordinance requires unanimous vote.
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OK. I'm good for right now. OK, Thank you, advisor. A couple questions, Randy. So just kind of referring to some of the concerns.
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The tower was extended the existing tower in 2018 to accommodate additional carriers.
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And this one is for T-Mobile, which is apparently not on the other tower at the present, and so they've elected not to go. And I
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may be asking the question, you have no idea what the answer is.
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Oh, they're electing to try and do a completely different tower rather than attach to the existing. And do you know the reason? I
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do not know the reason. OK, so it's likely financial, OK?
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In my opinion, it would be so.
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Another complaint was that where the tower is going is going to prevent some kind of access to the commercial building in the rear
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of the building.
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Do you know if that would permanently damage any access to that building? No, I do not. I do not believe it will. It will be self
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enclosed. There will be a fence around it and everything else. I'm I'm it may slow down people parking back there or something,
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but it's pretty. I mean it's not on the building.
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So it's on that same parcel, but there's a delivery area back there or something for the building and that will remain OK. So
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there's no complaint from the owner of that building and they may be the same people, but not from the honor. But we did receive a
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e-mail yesterday.
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From the operator that just said he was against it did not statewide.
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Now the other thing, and which is pretty common, is health issues.
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Citing.
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Health issues? Is there any health concern?
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That we need to be aware of with adding this tower.
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So from my understanding, the FCC is the one that regulates the health issues.
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Radiation, I mean, everyone you know believes.
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The radiation off a tower is dangerous and everything else that is all covered under the FCC. We have no say in how that's dealt
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with, good or bad. OK, so I I don't know of any health issues that this specific tower would be.
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Any different than any other tower, that is.
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They cited a section 101.1 of the county zoning ordinance, which requires.
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Conservation and promotion of the public health, safety and general welfare, so that they cited that. And so unless Jeff wants to
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jump in on the definition of what that would mean with regard to whether this tower is of some kind of a health risk or not, I
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don't know.
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Of the federal statute that is in play here is.
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Section 33247. USC A. Section 330.
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Paragraph C.
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Which allows.
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Jur.
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To limit cell phone tow.
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But places restrictions.
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Members can what the reasons can be for limiting them and I just want to find that provision.
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Instead of jumping out of me, but essentially it prohibits the county from.
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Prohibiting the cell phone tower on the basis of environmental effects of radiofrequency radiation.
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So that's a that's a reason. It's not not uncommon for people to be concerned about that, but it's not a reason the county is.
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Allowed.
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While prohibiting his cell phone tower.
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OK. So to boil that down, you're saying that we could not base our decision on health concerns?
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That's correct. OK.
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All right then. That's all I have for you, Randy. Anybody else did that stir up anything for Randy?
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If not, then I'll call.
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The applicant forward, If they would like to make a comment, please come forward introduce yourself.
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Hi everyone.
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My name is Alex Crow. I'm here on behalf of Shawn Sanchez. Today I have the same presentation up on my computer, but I'm just
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going to pull it up here, so.
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Great. Thank you so much.
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Thank you for taking the time today. As I said, my name is Alex Crowe and I work for State 48 Consulting and we are submitting
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this application on behalf of Vertical Bridge. The Vertical Bridge name is USAZ 5166, just used to denote this location.
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And as mentioned, we're submitting this application on their behalf.
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Some of this was already mentioned, but I'll just quickly reiterate. This facility will be located on parcel 30437006.
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This parcel is zoned general unclassified district.
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The design of the facility will be a monopole and I will show you a rendering of what that will look like in a few slides here.
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The facility is currently designed to be located between Or sorry within a 20 by 70 foot enclosure and will be surrounded by a six
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foot high chaining fence. The overall height of the facility is proposed to be 165 feet.
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As height allows for colocation of other carriers and may include multiple antennas.
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The facility has been designed with a 20 foot fall zone to contain debris on site in the unlikely event of collapse and I will
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touch on this again in a few slides.
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Here's a general general overall site plan. I'll go into more detail on this on the next slide, but you can see here the proximity
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of the proposed contact, sorry, compound in proximity to the surrounding parcels.
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Here's a closer look within a large site plan. This is a proposed or sorry. There is a proposed 5 foot high, 10 by 15 foot
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platform for associated ground equipment. There will also be a 5 foot high 10 by 15 foot platform for an emergency backup
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generator.
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As I will touch on in a few slides, the reason that these are 5 foot high is to address those floodplain concerns, and again, I'll
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join to further detail on that. The emergency backup generator will cycle once per week for a total of 15 minutes.
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It's very quiet, it would just sound like a car passing by, so it's not very loud and it just runs to make sure that it is in good
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condition in the unlikely event that it would be needed.
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As you can see here, there are some abandoned underground fuel tanks. So to address that question earlier, the fuel tanks are
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actually underground, they're over ground, they're currently capped and there are no plans currently to be refilled.
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Here is that elevation that I mentioned, so this is what the site will look like. It is currently designed as a monopole. While
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there are surrounding structures that are also lattice towers. This one all we considered a self design, was designed as a
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monopole because we felt that a self design would actually make it stick out more Since there is a lot of tower up the road. This
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was in conjunction with that.
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You can also see here at the six foot high chain link fence that will surround the compound.
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I'd like to mention that the Gila County Zoning Ordinance does not outline A requirement for colocation. As was previously
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previously mentioned, this was explored by staff and there is no requirement for colocation. So we understand the existence of the
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one up the road, but there is no requirement for colocation and this location meets the objectives of T-Mobile.
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With a proposed height of 165 feet, the wireless facility will have space to accommodate future wireless carriers.
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Which will help to address the coverage concerns that were mentioned with drop phone calls in the area. As you can see listed
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here, there are the two future tenant radius or ground centers that they could pumping on.
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To hatchback on that fall zone, there is a requirement in the Gila County code under section 1038 that states that wireless
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facilities.
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Sorry. States that no cellular tower shall be located closer than its height to any adjacent property, public right of way, or any
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unrelated structure, unless it's accompanied by a structurally engineered plan to eliminate the need for a fall zone. In this case
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we are within that distance, so Vertical Bridge has engineered the tower with a 20 foot fall zone so that again, in the unlikely
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event of collapse or failure, the tower will remain on site.
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You can see here the snippet of the code.
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And then on this next slide here, this is the letter that was provided to show that fall zone.
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Come.
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The reason that This site is important is to address lack of coverage in Kila County, as well as lack of services in surrounding
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rural areas.
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Increased network use in suburban and rural areas of Arizona as people are working from home in times after COVID are really
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important to address, and T-Mobile is expanding into these areas to address those concerns.
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This will improve connectivity, enhance emergency response capabilities and facilitate economic growth in the Community.
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Through the strategic placement of the tower, adjustments of the antennas and utilizing different spectrum bands, T-Mobile as well
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as future carriers can meet the evolving needs of users and ensure A consistent and satisfactory experience across the entire
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coverage area.
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Additional factors that have led to selection of this specific site.
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Include that this location was identified in the area to be the strongest need for improved coverage by the anchor tenant again is
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T-Mobile and we do expect others to Co locate in the future.
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Again, it's not a requirement by Gila County to Co locate, but we understand the want to reduce these number of towers, which is
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why this will be built with room for future carriers.
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The site is easily accessed from Arizona 188, an important thoroughfare in this area, and it will provide service to that road.
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Located on a parcel zoned general unclassified and all of the surrounding parcels are also zoned the same, which allows it to be
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permitted for commercial uses.
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The site is also in accordance with the Gila County Zoning Ordinance and Gila County Comprehensive Master Plan, as you can see in
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the step below.
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Here is a zoning map of the proposed area. The location will be where that green star is.
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And then here is just an aerial of the same view.
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As mentioned previously, there were a couple of stipulations that were given to us from the Planning and Zoning committee to
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adhere to a flood plan. So what you can see here, there were several documents provided to show that Vertical Bridge has done due
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diligence to address the site being in a floodplain.
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To touch on three of those specifics, it was stated that the equipment must be flood proof or raised to or above the regulatory
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flood elevation. Skipping ahead a little bit, it says to be placed 2.1 to 4.8 feet above the existing grade.
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Both of those platforms are going to be placed five feet above the existing grade to ensure that that requirement was met.
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The second floodplain requirement states that any development proposed within this area must be demonstrated by hydraulic
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engineering analysis to not result in any rise in water surface elevation and 100 year flood.
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There will be no rise in the water surface elevation. This was determined by a civil engineer and again a documentation to back
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that up was provided to the county.
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The third requirement was that an erosion set back from the nearest top of bank is required for all equipment unless engineered
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Bank protection is constructed, Vertical bridge will be providing the engineered bank protection and this requires review with the
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Gila County Flood Control District that will be applied for today. And the reason that wasn't set ahead of time was to ensure that
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the document met all of the needs. So that is again a different.
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Review that needs to happen, but all of that will be met ahead of any construction.
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And then I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you Miss Crow, Supervisor Humphrey, anything for?
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This crow, I have no questions.
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Supervisor.
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So so why does T-Mobile not want to just put on the art tower?
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Unfortunately that's not my area of expertise, but they've gotten significant due diligence to determine the best coverage for the
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area and this location allows for that coverage and would negate any need for future towers to kind of cover what would be needed
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like there would be there would be a gap in coverage basically if they placed it elsewhere.
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So maybe you don't know the answer to this question, but the other tower that's there within 800 feet, I mean 800 feet really
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isn't that far distance, but.
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Does anybody know or can tell me what other carriers are on that tower? Or is it just one single carrier on that tower?
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The only carrier that I know is on the tower is Sprint and that is that's the only information I have.
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OK. So then you guys have designed this and engineered it, so it would take other carriers as well, correct?
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OK. Thank you.
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So, Miss Crow.
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We're not going to base our decision on health, but let me ask you something on this tower. So all these towers that are out
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there, there's thousands of them.
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Do they transmit something that is dangerous or are they more or less a receiver? How does?
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How does this tower?
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Does it just receive pick up?
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Already.
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Information that's in the atmosphere, you know, and then it sort of redirects it or does it actually transmit something?
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Like high wire or something that would be.
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Radio waves or, you know, anything that's in addition to what already exists.
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Without the tower.
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Unfortunately, it's not my area of expertise, but we do comply to all of the FCC regulations. And just to kind of touch on your
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question, the towers work when they're needed. So it's not actually the antennas aren't on all the time, but it's kind of when you
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pull out your phone and you need to do something that's when the antennas activate. So they're not actually not on 24/7 and per
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FCC requirements and just some experience on a previous project that I've worked on the only.
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Potential health concerns are if you were.
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At the top of the 160 foot.
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Power for it's very, very extended period of time and again it's not, it's not my area of expertise, but we do comply to all FCC
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regulations. OK, that's helpful. Thank you.
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And unless there's anything else for Miss Crow.
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Then we'll go on.
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To.
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Probably public comments, so.
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Timothy, anyone in Payson that wants to comment on this project?
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I believe so, yes.
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You believe so?
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OK, if someones there to comment haven't come forward, introduce themselves and what I would like to do is let everyone know We're
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going to limit each commenting section to 3 minutes and if someone makes comments with regard to.
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A particular concern, and someone else has that same concern, we don't necessarily need to hear.
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From each person with the exact same concern if you understand. So if we can just add to the conversation if you have something to
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add.
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So please tell us who.
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Connie has.
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And where do you live?
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823 W Mountain View Lane at Oaks Corner behind the store.
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OK, so I just been handed a note that I need to.
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Open it up to the public hearing. OK, thanks. That's a legal technicality, so please go ahead now.
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OK.
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Well, first I just want to say the reason.
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And those guys at the other meetings approved this. These were the two reasons that they gave.
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The one guy.
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Businesses have a right to make money. I don't.
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But T-Mobile has plenty of money.
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I think that the residents there that have been there for many, many years and on their property.
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Did have.
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Great in this than T-Mobile getting richer.
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And.
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The other reason was one of the guys said yes, he doesn't like body service on the highway for one he shouldn't. He's not supposed
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to be on the phone on the highway.
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And for two, I doubt very seriously that he spends a lot of time right in that spot where he could even possibly lose service. We
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live there, so we're there 24/7. And again, I think that we should carry more weight.
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On that, then, then this spotting service on the highway reason for approving it.
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And so the two reasons that they stated I just think are are dumb personally.
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But.
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And then as far as the.
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Any kind of danger from the towers? The lady just stated she's not an expert. I would like to hear it from an expert. And because
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all of the research that I've done says that they are dangerous to people within a very short distance from them, which we all
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are.
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They're also. They also bring down property value and.
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And there was something else I wanted to say. What was it?
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OK, can I be done? And if I remember, can I come back up here?
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Sure, maybe someone will screw your memory that wants to talk. Is that all you have then, Miss Hessler?
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Yeah. OK. Thank you for your comments. All right. Thank you, Cassandra. Do we have anyone on YouTube?
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OK, sure.
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So this is from Susie.
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She says the proposal does not address the area land use plan included in the Comprehensive Master plan adopted by Hewlett County.
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And the land.
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Takes precedence over for consideration over zoning.
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Detail 10 Figure 2F Instead, plan designates neighborhood, commercial and two classes of residential.
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This application serves neither master plan or development. In fact, it jeopardizes it.
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And that's what she.
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OK. Mandy, do you have any comments to that that would confirm or not?
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I didn't catch it all.
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But the land is owned.
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OK. Which is generally unclassified which allows for farm?
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Commer.
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Presidential non farm.
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Pretty much allows for everything and anything to a point.
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For that property. OK. Thank you, Randy.
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All right, I'll open it up to the public hearing here in Globe. If you have something to add to the conversation, please come to
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the mic and introduce yourself.
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And where you live, OK.
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Good morning, Vince Bishop, 870 W Mountain View. Wayne, I'd like to start with there was obviously confusion from the last meeting
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about the public comment if anybody would like to see it. I did bring where the confusion came from.
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A letter that was dated September 27th about this meeting with the very last sentence of citizens will be allowed to attend this
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hearing in person, in globe or patient to provide their comments.
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And it was also on the public notice it was posted within this range and this was the meeting that we were not allowed.
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To make our comments. So that's where the confusion came from. Here's a copy of the letter that states it. And also the public
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notice stated that also. So that's why you did have some, you know, angry people that they felt we were told one thing and not
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allowed to do something else. OK, so on that.
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Being that I've lived there for 15 years, I can tell you a little bit about the coverage.
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Sprint always worked on that tower Verizon. The existing tower. Verizon did not up until two to three years ago, roughly.
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Then Sprint phones stopped working there and then Verizon phone started working there, so we had to go get.
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Switch from Sprint phones to Verizon phones.
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As far as I know, Sprint and T-Mobile have merged. I do not know, That's just what I've read. I don't know their reasoning for
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pulling off of that tower, but they were on that existing tower and then decided to pull off of it for whatever reason immediately
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when Verizon got on that tower.
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I don't know why, but that is fact from having lived there and having to switch phone carriers.
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As far as what the lady said about the.
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Future economic growth in the area.
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The area that I'm sure you guys know is landlocked by Forest Service on all sites, there's not going to be any future growth, any
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future subdivisions, anything like that in that area. It's landlocked.
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Pretty much impossible.
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To need this as far as to.
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You know further the service in the area as far as the res.
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Come from. It's also in the.
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Spot between Hwy. 87, you come down, crosses Hart Creek which is it's going to abut and then you climb another mountain to the
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cuts and then you fall back off towards brown aggressively. So it's actually in the lowest spot of that entire area.
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As far As for you know, future coverage or to help travelers.
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That's just I don't see how that could actually benefit anything as far as that.
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I do have.
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We're talking about public support. I do have 44. I received over the weekend, 44 signatures from residents. I don't know how many
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people are within that 300 feet.
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44 residents of the Jakes Corner area did sign a petition, all opposed to it.
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And I sent that in with copies of all the signatures to.
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To the S Trimble e-mail and she did say she received.
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So.
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I did a little bit of research, I don't know how much of it.
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Is.
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Fact. But I do know there are. So Vince, if you could wrap it up in the next 30 seconds, OK, perfect. I do know that there are.
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FCC does rural cell phone auctions for these areas. So I think someone commented earlier that was probably monetarily sounds like
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there are government subsidies.
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For them to have their own tower and to be the anchor tenant on a tower. So they would get government subsidies to do this. And I
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believe it's typical if you follow the money, that's why.
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You know, they're gonna they're going to get more money off of this than they would if they would.
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Land on that other tower and just to provide service with the community, they're looking at it from one of the patient.
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Thank you, Mr. Bishop.
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Is there anyone else here today in Globe that could add to that conversation or wishes to?
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Please. Yeah, come on up. Introduce yourself where you live. So my name is Rhett Bishop. I live at 874 W Mountain View Lane.
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I'm one of the youngest people that I know of in the community, so I feel that I'm going to have to deal with this the longest and
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since I have resided there and been running around since I was old enough to walk.
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I feel like this weighs pretty heavily on me, you know, I decided.
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I see. You know, I see a lot of cowboy hats here today and I decided to live in the rural area and want to raise my family there.
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Kind of crazy to me.
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We're going to put.
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You know, and just kind of like ruin the whole point of this rural area.
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You know it's gonna, it's gonna kill the aesthetics.
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It's not gonna look good at all.
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Once it's done, it can you know it's never going to be able to be reversed.
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The general store will probably never be a store again, from my understanding. I know that they said it probably will be.
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And I have, you know, I think that the people traveling and the residents would benefit more from gas, groceries.
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Local jobs.
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Then a cell tower.
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I mean, I have two friends that live in the town of Payson.
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0 phone service to either one of.
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But I have never not had phone service for a day.
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So I just feel like if.
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About servicing the community of Healing County with cell phone service, this could.
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In a lot better places.
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And can be a lot more useful.
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To our community and other places personally.
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And I think that's all I have.
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Thank you, Mr. Bishop. Anyone else?
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Yes Sir. Please come up, introduce yourself and where you live.
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Yes, my name is Daniel Jewel. I live at 908 W Mountain View Lane.
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Jake's Corner.
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I think the cell formed tower thing is a really bad idea. The reason why is because I was the previous owner of Jakes Corner
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General Store. I had that store for eight years and I sold it to the people that are trying to sell it now.
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And it is like you said, it's all financial is what it is and it's a big mistake that store will not operate.
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It's going to be hard for that store to operate like.
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Supposed to be operated exactly where is the tower going to go? Is what I know. Is it on the side of the storage? On the back of
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the store?
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I would like to know that. Does anybody have any information on?
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Where exactly the tower is going to be?
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I believe that information is available.
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Pardon. I believe that information is available. Well, I'd like to know whether it's on the side or the back, but regardless
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whether it's on the back or the silence door, it's going to affect that store to operate properly.
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Deliveries.
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I've ran it for eight years.
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That's a big mistake. No good. We want a store.
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The community wants a store, a benefit to the public.
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Fuel the big thing.
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Milk bread.
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Baloney. Whatever you want to buy. I always had that for everybody.
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And then these new owners that I sold it to, they changed the store so much, they turned it into a thrift store basically.
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With their selling furniture on consignment.
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So they got rid of all.
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Things that most people.
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You know, they quit selling beer. That's not something people need.
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But you know, we need food and now we have to go travel. What is it, 13 miles to 18?
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Pardon.
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15 miles to IGA or the marketplace or Payson, 20 miles.
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No more. We're cut out now, everybody. No more fuel there and no more.
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I would have to say other than again, it's going to really hurt the new owners if it does anybody ever does buy that store.
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And make it operate properly with that towel 20 feet by 70 feet.
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The dimensions.
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Where the tower is going to be, it's going to be a real problem.
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Any questions for me?
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I don't believe so. Thank you, Mr. Jewell. You're welcome.
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Anyone else that wishes to add to that?
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Please tell us who you are.
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Good morning.
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Board My name is Michelin Tallis. I'm an attorney with Tiffany Bosco in Phoenix. I represent the owners of the existing tower
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across the street.
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I believe earlier this year equipment was removed by Sprint and T-Mobile prior to submitting this application for the new tower.
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But you connect the dots on.
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But those leases are in place, they're in place for I believe multiple years going forward and they'll be paying on those
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regardless of whether the new power goes up or not.
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Flatly speaking, this new tower can offer no benefit, no public benefit at all. It will not increase coverage from both the
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technical and common sense perspective we've included with our submission.
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Detailed RF coverage maps for both the existing power and the new location that show all the ranges of service and the cover that
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will be provided by each tower.
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So I'm sure you can probably assume it's identical because the tower is 800 feet away.
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And not only that, the tower, the new tower is actually.
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Because it's a 155 foot effective power because it has a 10 foot lightning.
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So you can only mount up to 155 feet on the existing tower. You can mount up to 160 feet because it's a lattice tower that doesn't
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require the lightning rod.
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So it's 162 feet total and 160 foot of mountain.
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Not only that, but the existing tower stands at a base elevation of 30 feet higher.
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So if you take the highest position on the new proposed tower, 155 feet, that's effectively the 125 foot mounting position on the
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existing.
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The existing tower has handled all of the loads in the past of all the carriers for the.
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Everyone has spoken to spotty coverage and trying to improve it, but this is not the solution.
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There is absolutely no way from a common sense or technical perspective that this will result in any increased coverage in the
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area. In fact, it will effectively condemn.
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The possibility of getting increased coverage because it will preclude other towers in the future. There are more suitable
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locations in this direct region of vicinity for towers.
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But if two towers go in, right here.
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It's virtually guaranteed that no others will be put in place instead of then condemning this area to poor coverage forever, And
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so that that is our main objection. Second, I believe that the procedural deficiencies cannot be overlooked.
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The Commission did state that there would be public comment in the second meeting. I was there. I showed up for public comment. I
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can tell you that there were a number of people who didn't show up at the previous meeting who showed up there to comment. They
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were denied that opportunity. In addition, there was a new commissioner.
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At the previous meeting in September, not only did they before they decide the table they took a vote on, that vote failed for the
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4/4 split.
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And.
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You know, the new tower does no good. The only concern is potentially financial.
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As you would say, but we don't even know that we have to speculate to it. One last comment, I'm sorry to say, but as Miss Crowe
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stated.
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Apparently there was extensive due diligence done to identify a coverage.
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Nowhere has any documentation been disclosed in 450.
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Documentation of their submission addressing an actual public benefit from this tower. OK, thank you. Thank you.
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Randy, is there anything you need to add before we proceed?
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I'm available to answer any questions I did speak there. Those tanks are underground and they are to the.
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Of the existing store.
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Across the alley, So I just want to make sure that I corrected that.
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I'm open for any questions you may.
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OK. I'm going to turn it over then to Supervisor Humphrey.
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Did he need close the public meeting? Oh, OK. I'm sorry.
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We're going to close the public hearing.
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And I'll turn it over.
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If you remember what she wanted to say.
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I'm sorry.
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We have one more comment here. OK, real quick, OK, real quick.
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Don't sit down, Rand.
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Connie Hafler again.
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Yeah, I just wanted to thank you. So Jakes Corner, people moved there for like a reason to it. Jake has a look. It's a place, you
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know, with them like a look.
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That drives people to it, and this phone teller will totally.
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Change that and make.
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Not what it?
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Reasons that people who bought property.
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There spot their property for that reason. You know, part of the reason.
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And then it will, It'll be destroyed. And those people that live there, that have their property paid for, that their property is
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not paid for. She doesn't even want it because she couldn't make money because.
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She put stuff in there that cost $500 that people can fit in their house anyway.
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And if you couldn't make any money, that's not our fault.
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And she doesn't even live there, so she doesn't care that she just popped.
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Wants to change everything about the place and ruin what it is and then and then she got somewhere else, so.
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I don't know. I just don't feel that the people who.
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Should be punished and.
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Like their dream place of where they live, ruined by somebody who isn't even there.
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OK. And as far as that goes, they can put that towel back on the other one. It was already there before?
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And the population of Jakes is really, really small, so.
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All right. Thank you for that, Randy.
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Supervisor Humphrey.
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What you gonna Brenda? Did you have something else?
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Just reminding everyone that says require unanimous vote.
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OK.
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Yeah, just I'm gonna ask this question because I know the answer, just so everybody else does as far as the Planning and
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Commission.
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Planning and Zoning Commission goes.
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Their decision is nothing than information to the Board of Supervisors when they make their decision so so they have their
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meetings and either they.
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They are for or against a project, but it's our final decision, so how they vote in a meeting does nothing.
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But bring to the supervisors their opinion of that meeting.
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Absolutely correct. They're advisory only.
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They make no decisions towards this approval or denial they recommend to the board. The board can approve, deny, modify.
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OK.
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Yeah 'cause that's where I got a lot of my complaints from. IS is their decision. But their decision has nothing to do other than.
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Give their opinion to the Board of Supervisors to make a decision. Correct. They're kind of your little research.
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Opinions. OK.
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General supervisor.
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Yeah, more. I have a lot. OK. You know, I mean at OK, we're we're against this.
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Or some people are against this tower?
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But there's already a tower there, so so I mean if there is a tower.
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A second tow.
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You know, it doesn't seem like it's going to make that big a difference.
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And I've spoke to Vertical.
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As a matter of fact yesterday about coverage, because I mean, I don't understand a lot about how.
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Cell phones work, how how all the atmosphere works and and and believe me, I get a lot of complaints for people that go to
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Roosevelt Lake and things on the weekends.
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And and there's only so much and I don't understand it, airspace up there they sail space.
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Or bandwidth?
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Just like AM, FM radio some stations.
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You can get some stations you can't. That depends on how much bandwidth.
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That they.
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Apparently. Or that was my take on talking to a gentleman from vertical bridges. And he wasn't for or against Sprint. T-Mobile,
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right? He wasn't for against anybody because they build the cell towers. That's all they do. And so I asked him how, how does all
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this work? Because I happen to live.
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Reasonably close to this area and as a supervisor.
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In emergency situations.
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I can't. I can't be contacted.
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For other reasons and also to not only the bandwidth that the individuals buy, that also to the direction in.
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Those discs and things are pointed. I don't know if any of you have have dish TV, but if that's off 1/4 of an inch you don't get a
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TV station. So So the way that these are pointed also make a difference.
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And and so anyway. And then my research T-Mobile feels as if they need this tower to to help them with a gap in coverage.
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And I also believe that.
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That I have been told that also to the FCC is going to get to where they require a lot of these people to cover so much area and
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if they don't then they're going to take their airspace, airspace away from them and give it to someone else.
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And and so you know there's a there's a lot to it here and and believe me, I.
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It's my district. I understand how the local people feel and and you know if you if you sell a place and all of a sudden it turns
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to something you wish it didn't believe me. I feel for you and I understand very much. But.
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If someone owns a piece of property.
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And wants to put something.
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And and.
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They feel as if it's going to.
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To help with coverage and things and they workout a business deal that is a company and a private property owner.
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And as a supervisor, if you own a piece of property and you want to put a house there.
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How can I tell you? You can't.
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This is a commercial deal. It's a commercial property. It's a commercial company that wants to put a tower there.
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I how how can I tell them that no, I I mean.
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Government can only reach so far, and in my opinion, how can I tell someone what they can or can't do with their property within
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reason. I mean, sure, you got to have a building permit, you have to build it according to code. You have to not hurt people by
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doing that.
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And if you cover all those Bas?
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I mean where I am with it is is. How can I tell them no and?
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Mr. Chair, that's all I have.
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Thank you Supervisor Humphrey. Supervisor calling.
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So.
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I gotta be honest, my biggest hang up is there's already self power there.
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Working or otherwise, There's one there, and I can honestly say that most everywhere I go, self-service is horrible.
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And so I don't believe, honestly, it has to do with the towers.
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I believe it has to do more with the providers and along with some lines of what Supervisor Humphrey said.
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So I do get.
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The aesthetics, The devaluation of properties when you start stacking antennas and towers around in a residential neighborhood.
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Does have an impact?
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There is, there is a, there is an impact to that and.
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I've in my district. I'm Dino with cell phone towers now.
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Kind of a different issue.
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But in partly it is the radiation.
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Claim that it does put off RAD.
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Ways or whatever it is, it is there. I've had the ITR IT folks check on that. Nothing to date has proven that it does and it's all
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within FCC guidelines. So that's mute. It doesn't matter. But the biggest thing to me is is that you do have an antenna that's
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sitting there that has the capability of putting other carriers on it.
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When I hear everybody talking about this one, the first thing that pops into my mind is here's a here's a chance for a company to
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build a tower and then start renting space out to other companies.
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To put put their deals on it as well, so.
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I don't guess I have any questions for you, Randy.
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I would say that when I went through this item sitting at home.
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Looking at it and I looked at the background.
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I thought, wow, there's an antenna.
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Maybe there's not a whole.
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Of concern there. So I was a little bit shocked when I came in this morning to a big old wad of papers and petitions and
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everything else on this thing.
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And it kind of fell in line with everything else I deal with in my district. But.
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I don't know. I think just going forward, like like on these towers especially.
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There needs to be some.
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Thought and some effort put into a lot of these meetings so people out there can make their comments and have an Ave. to do that.
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I mean, if I just stepped in here this morning off of what I looked at on the background of this agenda topic, I I would have
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thought it's a slam dunk.
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But that's really all I have for that. And umm, but I am serious about there's already a tower there in place and we'll go from
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there.
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Thank you, Supervisor Klein. I'll just make a couple of comments because I like to whittle things down in simple terms. So does
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does this project increase convenience? Does it increase public safety issues?
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Is it needed?
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Or is it just optional and those kind of things And so I have to weigh that kind of thing versus?
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What the public in the area feels about.
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And.
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I guess this is what we're paid for, to make the decision on this. And this is one of those things that's difficult. It's not a
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slam dunk. It's one of those things where you have to weigh your options and decide for yourself.
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What is the best outcome?
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OK. So the pre-existing tow?
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Is tall enough to accommodate communications an additional power?
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Could be useful, but there's a lot of rejection from the public, so that's all I'm going to say.
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And if there's nothing else, then I am going to call for.
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Oh, sorry, hang on Mr. Doll, I'm just going to make a couple of comments that.
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If the board denies the application.
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The law requires that.
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The reasons for.
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Being.
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And be issued roughly at the same time as your decision.
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So if that's what you decide to do.
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I'd like to work with the board on getting that in writing.
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OK, reasons.
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The other issue.
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The applicant stated.
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The zoning ordinance doesn't provide.
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A requirement for coloc.
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And so I just wanted to address that because.
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The way our zoning ordinance.
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The tower has to be approved through a conditional use permit.
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And that's an amendment to the.
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Which enables the board to look at the purpose and intent of the ordinance.
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Which includes, among other things.
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Looking to prevent overcrowding of land and to maintain stable values of land and buildings.
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And so you could fit.
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A colocation requirement.
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Under the general purposes and intent of the Earth. So I think I wanted to straighten that out a little bit because that's.
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Not a complete explanation. The way our zoning ordinance works to just say it, there's no colocation requirement. There isn't one
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that's expressed.
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But it can be fit.
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The context of the ordinance and the purposes of the ordinance.
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And the third time.
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The There's been a lot said.
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The Commission hearing and.
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Allowing people to speak.
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The third option you would have if you wanted to pursue.
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Is to recess this meeting.
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Information that you might feel like you didn't have here today to make your decision.
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Could be brought to you at the next hearing.
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It would help.
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Relieve some of the problems that occurred because people weren't able to speak at the last hearing.
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And give the Commission information that they might have needed or wanted in their decisions.
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Those are my comments on procedure and the substance of the ordinance. OK, thank you, Mr. Dalton. So that does give us an option
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to.
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Table.
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Approve, disapprove whatever we choose to do. So thank you for that information.
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I did get a note here from Miss Crow. Would like to make another comment That's a little out of order, but I will allow it. If she
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has something that she can add to the conversation, please come forward.
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And do that.
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Thank you. I appreciate the time. I would also like to ask for this to be tabled. Given the information that the other Tower
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attorney discussed, we would like to request that the hearing is tabled so that we can review that information. We did not have
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that ahead of this meeting. I would just like to note that he stated that they did.
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Deep dive on how the coverage will work and I would just like to state that he doesn't have T-mobile's equipment, so that actually
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wouldn't necessarily be 100% accurate because he doesn't have all of the equipment information. So that coverage objective can't
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be determined properly. But the overall request is just to table this discussion to review all information that was provided.
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Thank you Miss Crow.
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So we we have options and so we we have the option of tabling, we have the option of delaying, we have the option of approving or
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disapproving.
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Now Randy, you did state that we would need to have a unanimous decision in order to approve.
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Correct. OK. So yes, Sir.
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Do you need an anonymous decision to table?
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That is certainly a Jeff question.
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No.
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OK.
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OK. Yeah. I mean, before we before we go further, that's just something I wanted to ask answered.
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OK.
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Good question, Supervisor Klein, Mr. Chair, Randy. So if this was to be tabled so this and maybe Jeff would answer this too, this
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would be kicked back to Planning and Zoning Commission to reestablish a meeting or whatever is needed there to to move forward.
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Hearing which is pretty full.
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And then bring it back to you on another date.
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If we could set that.
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Then that way the notification things changes and I put in the newspaper. But yes, if you're wanting the table to get more
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comments, more information, we will be more than happy to pursue that. Thank you, Andy.
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There is.
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A thing called the shot clock.
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FCC requires a decision to be made within 150 days of the day the application was filed.
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I think was August 1st.
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So that would be January.
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By January.
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That this board needs to make a.
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By then, so whatever procedures you choose.
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That's kind of a deadline unless.
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By the applicant to.
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Go farther and work with them and they agree that that 50 day requirement will be extended.
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OK. We're given the schedule of our meetings that could be a tough one. So Randy?
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I'm just going to make this comment with regard to whether we should table or not. I believe we do have a great deal of
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information already on this application.
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And that I'm not certain or convinced to myself that there would be a significant amount of.
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Additional information to consider.
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Going forward, if we have a.
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January 1st deadline. We would likely have to have a special meeting sometime in December.
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Regarding it, so with that I will if there's nothing else.
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I would like to bring up one thing Jeff does.
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Representative asking it for the meeting be tabled does that.
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Include the shot clock. Well, if she if she has the authority to agree to waive the requirements of that rule.
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8.
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We could probably work with that.
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I just want to make sure. OK. Thank you, Randy.
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So with that.
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Let's close the discussion and I'll call for a motion.
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Mr. I moved to adopt resolution #23-11-05.
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And I will second that motion. We have a motion and a second to adopt.
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All those in favor?
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Hi.
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Those not in favor say aye.
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Motion does not pass.
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Thank you, Sir. Thank you.
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Let's move right along now. We got a few things to cover. Item 3B, information discussion action to approve Economic Development
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Agreement number 102523 between Gila County and the Payson Hila County Sheriff's policy in the amount of 6000 to support their
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shop with a HERO program which the board is determined to be for the benefit of the public. This is something that we have done in
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the past. This is something that all three supervisors will share the cost in equally and I'm going to actually call deputy.
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High Street Forward to kind of just help us.
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Remind us, review what we're doing and I do see that we have umm.
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The Sheriff with us and Miss White as well in Payson So Mr. High.
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Good morning, Chairman and Board Supervisors. I'm Deputy High Street with the County Sheriff's Office. My job is the community
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events coordinator for all of our programs, one of which is why we're here today, the Shop with a Hero. You have continued to
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support this program over the years, which we greatly appreciate. We've learned in previous years that roughly 30% of
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underprivileged children residing here in Gila County, some of those children don't have.
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A lot of finances for good Christmas, and so we sort of fill in the void what we've learned to do since I took this program over
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and 2018.
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Is that we change the name from Shop of the Cop to Shop of the Hero.
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Reason why is it sort of encompasses all heroes. That includes the law enforcement, EMTs, firefighters, other first responders
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like dispatchers, and.
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DCS SO puts us all together so we can work towards a common goal of of making this program successful.
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So one of the main objectives we do for roughly around October, November is secure funding for this program. It's annually around
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Christmas time. We try to shoot to be within a few weeks of Christmas.
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Because that benefits the kids that.
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That are.
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Applications are sent to all the elementary schools within Gila County, as well as at the Sheriff's Office made available to the
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public to complete. That deadline is in place so we can review those applicants.
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Select sponsored children's based on their needs which outlined in the application and then.
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Post the program. So during the event, the sponsor child has opportunity to have breakfast with their assigned hero for the event.
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Then we get to do a tour of all the emergency vehicles, we do a lighted parade, we get to meet with Santa and we spend money at
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Walmart. So on average we we spend per sponsor child 150 to $200.00. That gets us 50 to 60 kids.
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Per year money is donated through you guys again, I appreciate it. And also through grants and other private donators through Gila
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County. So that's all I have for that. Sure. Yeah. Thank you Deputy, for that and all that you do. So, Sheriff, Miss White, you
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have some comments?
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No, I think Mark pretty much covered his their supervisor the unfortunately well unfortunately I guess myself and Sarah have to be
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dubious honor of having to go through these applications and if we the people out because we usually only have so much to spend
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and.
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I can certainly tell you that donations like this, especially this side, help helps us with that job because we don't have to deny
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quite as many.
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And we certainly appreciate that.
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That's it. Supervisor. I'm Mark Hit on it. Before the Board of Supervisors started donating to the program, we would struggle, you
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know, to get all the needed funding Once you guys started kicking in, I think this will be the third year if approved. Like I
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said, you really are a key to the success of this program. So thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you very much, Supervisor Humphrey, any comments or questions?
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Yeah, I I've been doing this with the Masons for years. They do a shop.
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With we we do it through the.
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And so I would just recommend that as you shop for these children that you cut the tags.
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Off of those clothing so they don't return those clothes after the shop with a cop for cash. Because some of these kids that need
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these clothes and things that you help them with, their parents need the cash more.
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Taking the tags off those so that they can't return them as it is a good thing to do.
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Something that's already in place? Supervisor.
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Thank you, Supervisor Klein.
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Thank you, Chairman. So, Sheriff, how many extra kids do you have compared to what you've had in the past?
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Split varies from years to year, and of course it all depends on how many applicants we actually receive.
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We always turn down some and of course we use different criteria to figure that out. But it's still a struggle because we'd like
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to give it to all of them. But I I don't have any numbers on how much we.
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We, you know how many applicants we receive versus how much we turn down, but I could tell you that it's always a big number every
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year that we have to turn down simply because we don't have that much funding.
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OK, umm.
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Thank you. It's a good program. It's a really good program. And without this kind of a program, there's a lot of kids out there
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that won't have much of A holiday.
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So that's that's the issue that I have on on.
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Basically turning any of them down and I agree with Supervisor Humphrey.
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Not being able to return stuff, so.
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And if I, if I can say real quick, you all are invited of course to come out to the day of shopping and see what goes on. It's
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it's quite a show.
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I've been able to see your pictures in the past and it looks like it's law fund. So anyway, thank you Sheriff.
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Thank you, Supervisor Klein. And when, when is the date that you plan on having this event? Two dates, one in globe is going to be
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December 16th and for Pace in December 23rd?
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December 21st in Payson 23rd, 23rd.
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OK. And what are the times on that we try not to advertise at times, so we don't have kids just randomly showing up. Well, maybe
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you can just tell me later then.
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OK. I really appreciate all that. You guys do thank you for your guys continue if there's any. If there's nothing else, I'll call
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from.
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Mr. Chair, I would make the motion.
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To approve the Economic Development Agreement number 102.
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523 with the patient Helicana Sheriff's posse in the amount of $6000, which the board is determined to be for the benefit of the
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public.
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I'll second.
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So we have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye, aye, aye.
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OK, thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Item 3C, Information discussion Action to approve intergovernmental agreement number BS24-006
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between the State of Arizona Department of Veterans Services in Eagle County in the amount of $3,000,000 to be utilized for the
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Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat.
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With us sitting patiently as Marin Bell.
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Thank you for your patience.
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I must have missed an agenda item.
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We are here this morning with an agreement between Gila County and the state Department of Veterans Services.
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For a $3,000,000 grant that will be used for the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat Center.
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It will be issued in quarterly installments and.
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Once the agreement is approved, the facilities department will work directly with the USDA to make sure that anything that is done
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on the property will be in compliance with our special use permit for the property.
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Thank you, Marin. Anything for Mayor, Supervisor Humphrey, is there a spending date limit on this grant? I mean, did they got to
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spend it in a year or three years or?
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There is not a time limit on it. The project is already scoped out, but there is not a time limit on it. We anticipate, if I
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remember right from our conversations with Mr. O'Driscoll, we expect that we will have it spent within a year and a half. OK,
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yeah, 'cause some grants, if you don't spend it by such and such time that there's a penalty. So that was my only question.
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Thank you, Supervisor, Supervisor Klein. I'm good.
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Thank you, America. And so my so with that, I'll entertain a motion.
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I'm Mr. Chair. I moved to approve the State of Arizona Department of Veterans Services Intergovernment Agreement number VS24-006
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in the amount of $3,000,000 that's presented. Mr. Chair. I'll second that. OK, We have a motion and a second to approve all those
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in favor. Say aye.
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Thank you, Marin. And yes, you did OK, we.
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Yeah, little flip flop. So alright, thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you. OK, item 3D information discussion action to ratify
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the Board of Supervisors approval for the civil of the Emergency Management performance grant application, accept the FY2023
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versus the management performance grant award #EMF-2023APP-0000 eight dash S01.
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From the Arizona Department of Energy and Military Affairs Division of Emergency Management in the amount of $206,620.00 for the
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performance period of July 1, 2022 to June 31st, 2023.
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Good morning.
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Morning, Chairman. Members of the board. I know I'm not Josh Beck, but I'll do my best.
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So this is the acceptance of the 2023-2024 Emergency Management Performance Grant. This is the grant that we apply for and receive
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every year.
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It funds our Emergency Management department on a 5050 cost match.
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So not any significant changes in it this year. I know that the objectives for female were put in place are equity, climate
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resilience.
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And community readiness. So those are kind of the objectives that we're going for in this year. Other than that, that's pretty
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much the same application that we do every year. Thank you, Carl. Any questions? Supervisor Humphrey, no questions.
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Supervisor Klein. I'm good.
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With that, I'll entertain a motion, Mr. Chair. I'll make the motion to ratify the Board of Supervisors approval for the submittal
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of the Emergency Management Performance Grant application.
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And accept the FFY 2023 Emergency Management Performance Grant Award number EMF.
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2023 App Dash 00008 Dash SO1 in the amount of $206,620 as presented.
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I'll second.
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We have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye. Aye, Aye. Record time. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it.
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Thank you, Carl. Item 3 E information discussion Action to increase the Gila County construction budget contribution for the
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intergovernmental agreement #IGA22-000 eight 731-I between Gila County and the State of Arizona.
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By an additional 600,000 for the control Rd. Safety improvement project and we have with us Mr. Goodman, Good morning, Mr.
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Chairman and Board members. So this is a request to authorize an additional.
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$600,000 of Hwy. user revenue funds her funds.
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For the Control Rd. Safety Improvement project, this is an HS IP project.
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In October of last year.
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Gila County entered into an agreement with the State of Arizona, Arizona Department of Transportation.
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Under IGA22-000.
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8731.
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To for the design and construction of safety improvements on Control Rd.
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And that was beginning approximately 2 miles West of State Route 260.
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To approximately 0.3 miles east of Roberts Mesa Rd. So that's a total distance of approximately 1.75 miles.
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So at this point we need an additional $600,000 to complete design and advertise the project for construction. A little bit of
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background on this the I.
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Is very specific about the amount of federal money that is authorized for this.
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So in the original IGA, the total federal funds was 601,000.
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$798 in and we can't, that can't be changed. So as the contractor, I'm sorry as the designer.
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Completed Stage 3 of the.
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He had to do a updated construction estimate and when he did that estimate.
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He came back to us and said that the budget.
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The stage 3 construction.
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Was short by 535,627 dollars.
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Covers a wide range of.
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Material costs have gone up, labor costs have gone up, so that's all considered.
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As part of their.
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So they also said they needed some additional money for design, so we rounded that up to $600,000.
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And that's what we're asking for today.
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An additional $600,000 to keep the project moving forward, complete the design and get it ready to advertise for construction.
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So I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Supervisor Humphrey.
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I'll make a motion.
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Part of that and Supervisor Klein. So Tom, this would all be her dollars we're using on this. This is all her.
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That's unfortunate that the cost is more than doubled.
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But the what you call in the Roberts Mesa Rd. is 29 Rd. Is that correct?
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It's for service. Yes. Yeah. OK. All right. No, I I have nothing else. I'll entertain a motion. I move to approve the State of
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Arizona Government Agreement number IG22-000. Eight 731-I in the amount of sixty $600,000 as presented.
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And Mr. Chair, I'll second that motion in a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye.
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Think.
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Are you on the next one as well? OK, Item F Information discussion action to increase the ELA County construction and design
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budget contribution for the IGA #22-0000 eight 732.
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I. Between Hewlett County and State of Arizona for an additional 1,154,227 for the Houston Mesa Rd. Safety Improvement Project.
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Yeah. Thank you again, Sir. So this is a bigger project. This is on Houston Mesa Rd. But again, we're requesting to authorize
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additional her funds.
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In the amount of 1,000,154.
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$227.00 and again, it's for the Houston Mesa Rd. Safety Improvement Project.
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So under IGA 22 dash 0008732 dash I between here county and the state of Arizona.
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Acting through Arizona Department of Transport.
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This work is proposed.
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To install 5 foot paved.
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Center Line Rumble Strips and Edge Line Rumble Strips on Houston Mesa.
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From Arizona.
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260, also known as State Right 80.
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Going east to 0.4 miles South of National Forest Hwy. 198, so total distance of approximately 4.5 miles.
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Again during design and stage.
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Kimberly Horn came up with a revised cost estimate for the project and at that point we realized that we were.
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In order to move forward with design and advertise the project for construction, we would have to come up with an additional.
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$1,154,227.
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I would like to also mention that in the meantime, we did get an additional IGA grant.
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In the amount of $243,600, so that was taken into account.
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And that's why we're asking for the.
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1.15 million at this time.
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I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Tom, any.
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No questions, No.
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Dec.
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Tom, one again. Was this project gonna be complete? Was it the spring that's coming? Spring. Yes. So we're gonna finish design in
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the next.
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One to two months.
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And we'll advertise the project in the spring and we want to have it completed. We'd like to have it completed before the monsoon
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starts in July. That's our goal.
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So we can get it completed and and get away from these cost increases, the better off we'll be. Thank you, Tom. Yeah, thank you,
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Supervisor Klein. Yes, the cost is amazing. It's over $1,000,000 a mile to do this. And the Forest Service Road 198 is that also
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called the Paiute Draw Rd.
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Right there.
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That I'm not sure about, Yeah, probably is OK.
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Yeah. With that, I have no other questions. So with that, I'll entertain a motion.
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Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to approve the State of Arizona Intergovernmental Agreement #IGA22-000 Eight 732-I.
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In the amount of $1,154,227.00 is presented.
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I'll second. Hey, we have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye.
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Thank you, Tom.
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Item 4A through H consent agenda items.
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At this time, would any of the supervisors request any of these items or all, any amount to be removed and discussed separately?
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Supervisor Humphrey, Supervisor Klein, I think I'm good, thank you. I'm good as well. So with that, I'll entertain a motion. I
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move to approve a consent agenda items 4A through 4H.
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And I'll second that. OK, Motion to approve and seconded all those in favor. Say aye, aye, aye, Mr. Chairman.
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Yes, Sir. When you leave the.
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So indicated before I wanted to work with the Board about written reasons for the denial of the application power. OK. How would
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you like to proceed with that I believe since that was an agenda item and.
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Said this before the parties left, they were unnoticed.
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This is something the board could consider in this meeting.
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And I would like to see that happen because there's a case called T-Mobile versus Roswell, GA.
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We went to the US Supreme Court and it held that when a local governing body denies a telephone application.
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That the body has to give written reasons for that denial.
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And those written reasons have to be issued.
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Roughly at the same time as the.
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And it's difficult. It is, it is to get before the board. I'd like to do that right now so we don't have to try to do this in two
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weeks, which some courts might think is too long.
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So you just need a handwritten. What I did is I wrote down from the chairman.
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Well, the reasons that I.
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That might be your reasons for the denial. You can read that and see how you want to change that, but you'd have a discussion with
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yourselves and then take action.
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And say here's the reasons why we.
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We have a vote. These are the reasons that it's typed up as part of the menace.
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And given to the applicant, so they have that and they can appeal.
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So, OK, all right, so attorney Dalton suggests that from what he heard.
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That some of the arguments against could include a second tower close to the existing tower.
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Would overcrowd the land with cell phone towers.
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Another one is negatively affect the looks of the area and work against stable values of land and buildings.
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In.
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What I think I will do is offer this to each supervisor to either agree with that.
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And or add to it, so I'll turn it over to Supervisor Humphrey.
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I think you're oh, go ahead. I don't agree with it. It's my district. I don't use my cell phone there because I can't.
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I did a lot of research on that talk to vertical bridges and so I was the only one that did not vote against it. So I have nothing
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to add to that sheet of paper. Thank you Supervisor Humphrey, Supervisor Klein. So I'm good with with.
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The overcrowding, Atlanta cell phone towers and negative effect of the looks of the area and work against stable values of land
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and buildings in the area. That's what I.
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Would you like to add to that list?
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No, I think that's enough for me.
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Then I will agree with the two points that.
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Mr. Dalton presented an add to it that I feel it's redundant.
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In other words, not needed.
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Redundant not needed as there is already a tower there available for other carriers.
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OK, Mr. Chairman, that.
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Do it as emotions. They want to make a motion that these are the reasons that we denied the application. And then you have a
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second and you vote on it and it becomes.
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Part of your action today.
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Like we're swimming.
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Unknown waters.
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OK, so I will make a motion.
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Make a motion that.
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Give as reason for.
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Of the application for the cell tower item 2.
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That a second tower.
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Is already close to the existing tower and will overcrowd the land with cell phone towers.
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Negatively affecting the looks of the area and work against.
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Table values of land.
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And buildings in the area.
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An additional.
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In our opinion, would be red.
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Due to existing tower availability.
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And as well.
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The outpouring.
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The community against the project, I'll second it.
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We have a motion in a second.
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All those in favor of approving that motion.
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Say aye, aye.
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Those.
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OK. Thank you very much.
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Does that satisfy that satisfies?
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Next item will be called to the public. Timothy, do we have anyone in Payson call to the public?
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We do not. We are good.
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Thank you, Cassandra.
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Anyone here?
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In.
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Thank you very much. So at this time I'd like to open it up to.
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Summary of current events and reports Mr. Manager.
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Last Friday had the county manager's administration at the county Supervisors association.
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Brings us to meetings at CSA this week, which will be the ECO meeting.
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Tomorrow afternoon at.
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2:00 I believe. And then small counties, small counties. There will be a vote for a new representative on the CSA Executive Board.
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I know that.
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Mr. Minor, supervisor from La Paz County, has sent a letter out to all supervisors.
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And he's interested in that position. There'll be a vote, although we discussed at small counties.
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Tomorrow evening.
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That dinner that is tomorrow evening at 5530, and then I vote on that on Thursday at the board meeting for C.
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So that is it, Mr. Chairman. Thank Mr. Managers, Supervisor Humphrey.
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Oh yeah, Tuesday I had.
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Public meeting tunnel.
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Wednesday, I met with Mr. Beauchamp on the blight from when we went to the legislative conference.
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Was supported by the other.
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In trying to research that and.
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Mr. Beauchamp does feel that it is necessary for property to have an owner.
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And he's looking in to see that if someone pays taxes on property that they will be liable and so he'll get back with me. So
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there's something that we can take back to CSA.
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For a future, perhaps state legislation for the treasurers who?
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Keep track of who's paying taxes on properties due to liability.
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And yesterday was a long day. I started at 9:00 on Kiko radio, had a Roosevelt public meeting at 1:00.
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I was on KQSS at 5:30 and my Miami Town Hall at 6:30.
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And that's all I have, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Miss Supervisor Humphrey, Supervisor Klein.
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So James, question for you. I think I got AI got an e-mail from Alton.
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From Apache County, I believe he.
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Interested in that?
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Chairman on the CSA as well.
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I seen that. So that's entirely possible. Yeah. Well, then that's going to come up tomorrow. It'll be discussed tomorrow at small
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counties, but then the vote will actually take place on Thursday.
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At the CSA board meeting. OK, cool. I'll say that, Mr. Chair. I really didn't have anything. Thank you, supervisor.
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An interesting note, not really related to the job I was called for, jury duty.
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This last week and I was willing to serve. I really wanted to serve, but they dismissed me.
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They didn't tell me why, but I can only assume that.
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Don't like me? Must have been a time for supervisors because I too was asked us for jury duty here and for the federal.
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Personally, I don't see it being a conflict. However, if I just was not selected and I do want to also recognize we just went
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through veteran's day again November 11th. And so there was a ceremony in Green Valley Park as usual and I'm sure several around
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the county. And so we always appreciate our veterans and those that have served and given up.
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Their sacrifices to our nation.
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And that's all I have other than I wish, Mr. Chairman, a happy Thanksgiving.
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OK, because that's coming up and we won't have another meeting until after Thanksgiving. So I hope that everyone has a great
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Thanksgiving.
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And eats their heart out. Yes, One more thing. One thing I forgot about I.
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Meeting last night by S.
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And this is a long term deal, but I think you should be aware of it that SRP is considering.
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Creating a lake adjacent to Apache Lake.
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Where they would pump water up and down, up and down as a reservoir for generating electricity when there's low.
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Electricity use. They'll pump the water up into this lake that is adjacent to Apache Lake.
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And during.
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Electrical uses. They would let the water down into a patchulate and go through their electrical turbines.
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And and that, so kind of just, well, I've been going on it for a year or two now. I have a couple of sites South of Apache Lakes,
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they would be in Maricopa County.
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Not healing.
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But thought you might need to be aware of that because that is something that is close to where we are at transmission lines that
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do pass through Hitler County and that so it does somewhat involve other county in what they are proposing and going and
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investigating on. So wanted to share that that's interesting that's like a perpetual motion machine. I don't I don't get that how
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you can pump water up and and make money going back down through.
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So anyway, with that, I will adjourn the meeting. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Appreciate the advice. Thank you.
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That's him.
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