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Testing. Testing.
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Enough time to start, if you would.
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Welcome everyone. It's it's actually.
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1001 Tuesday No December 5th and so I'd like to call this regular meeting to order who has our invitation this morning.
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You you OK?
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All right. And I'm going to call on Jessica to.
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Lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance if you would all please stand.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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If you would, please bow with me. Thank you, Father, for the opportunity to serve, to serve you, to serve this county.
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We pray, Father, that you would strengthen us with wisdom to do that, and Father with discernment to know your will in all things.
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We pray, Father is we now are.
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Going to conduct the last regular meeting for this year that father we would.
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Always consider you and all that we do and as we come back here again in January, Father, that we would have a renewed strength.
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To always do what is right and what is prudent and what is acceptable in all things. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
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OK.
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Before we get started, I do want to point out that.
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There may be people that wish to speak.
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From the public this morning. So there's two forms. So I've gotten.
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A little tutorial this morning.
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The pages are in the back if you wish to speak on a specific item, in other words.
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Thank you for that.
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OK. And we already have several filled out for item 3A, but we're not there yet.
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We're going to start off with presentations, Item 2A, presentation by Ben Tomas, a speaker of the House of Representatives,
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regarding the appointment of John Castaneta to the Arizona House of Representatives Joint Study Committee on Statewide Animal
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control Standards.
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And Josh?
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So.
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Learning about animal control over the last year, I've really gotten to see what JC Castaneda does as the manager of that
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department. Even more so seeing him at the state association and some of the different things he's done when he was the animal
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control officer of the Year. So I wanted to make sure to call him up here to kind of give him a chance for the board to see.
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This latest achievement which is?
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Speaker of the House put JC Castaneda on a committee looking at animal control in the state to make sure that all the different
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counties and cities and anybody that does animal control is kind of aligning up and that we're doing things consistently across
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the state. I personally think seeing what JC's done here in here, the county, that this is a pretty good privilege because you
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know they they see what he's done here, how he carries business in Gila County for a rural community. You know, he works with
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people across New Mexico.
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I try to make sure we do that and I just wanted to bring him up here today and let everyone know that he's been on this committee.
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It's been running for a few weeks now, it's going successfully and if anybody has any questions that JC or comments, we'd love to
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hear them.
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Are you going to call him up? OK, let's do that.
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Congratulations. Thank you. I appreciate that.
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Go ahead.
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Well, like Josh was saying, we've been doing this committee for the last three weeks. We've been working on standards for animal
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care control in Arizona. A lot of these standards deal with.
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Bigger animal control agencies where they have vets on staff.
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Here in Gila County, we in rural areas, we don't have bets on staff, so we can't, you know, send our animals right to spay and
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neuter. We have to wait till we have vets on.
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When our vet is available for spay and neutering and so we're trying to get ways to get vets to come out to rural communities to
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help us with spay and neuter. Another one, a big thing that we're working on is.
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Making sure that animal patrol agencies are using social media to get animals back to to the to their loved ones. And here in here
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the county, we already do that. We've been doing that for several years now.
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Another big issue was inmate labor and they wanted to make for sure the animal control agencies are trying to use inmate labor to
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help with the cleaning of the facilities, which helps out with staff and staff being.
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You know, just busy all the time. Or you can have inmates come in and there they will help out with.
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With all the.
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So that's what we're doing right now.
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Well, thank you. Yeah. We really appreciate all that you do. Supervisor Humphrey anything?
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Yeah, this committee that.
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Ben Thompson, Speaker of the House of Representatives, appointed you to Is that, is that a new committee or is that a committee
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that's been there that you just got appointed to? I think they have that committee.
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At the beginning of the year and then they they they introduced some animal patrol agencies. So I think myself, Audrey Gilmore
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from Pinal County, they were we went on at the same time.
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OK well I'm, I'm, I'm very proud of you to have have the attention from the Speaker of the House to put you on this because from
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working with you in the past, I know you have a great love for animals. So I can't and you've been at your job for quite some time
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so I can't think of anybody that I would rather see on that committee other than you. So we're we're proud to have you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Supervisor, client JC, congratulations. It's good to see you on that committee. And I I
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second everything Tim said.
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You do a good job. So really appreciate it. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah, we're really proud of you and I think.
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I suppose we can. Let's do that.
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Yeah.
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Good morning.
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You're welcome. You're welcome.
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Catherine, 123.
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OK. Thank you.
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We always have.
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Always great to see.
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How great of employees we have in the.
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Yes, Sir. James, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to point out in addition to that, but I I, I appreciate the support of the Board of
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Supervisors that in the last few years a whole new animal control facility that is state-of-the-art that you approve that and has
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been up and operating for a number of years. So I appreciate that.
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Mr. Castaneda's appointment has to do with your support as Board of Supervisors. So thank you so much for your support of Animal
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control in Healing County. Thank you, James.
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OK. So I'm excited about our next presentation as well Item 2B presentation of Discover Gila County, the county's tourism and
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marketing initiative, so.
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Cameron, Thank you, Cameron. We'll hand it over to you.
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And I know there's several here that are with you if you want to introduce.
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You probably already have a plan to do that.
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Thank you very much. Yes. If I could have everybody that is here on behalf of Discover, Gila County, just please stand up.
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So this is the organization that actually the Board of of Directors actually that we have with Discover, Hewlett County, Bullet
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Chambers of Commerce are representative. We've got James Grizzly who's here from an unincorporated part of the county, so.
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Thank you all for driving down here and being here today to support Discovery of Academy. We couldn't do this without them.
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We are. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, no, thank you. We are super excited actually to share with you what we've been up to this year.
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It's been a very busy year.
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And some of the the numbers just don't lie. You're going to see that here today. I'm going to talk really quickly about some of
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the marketing results that we've seen in the last five years.
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I'm if you remember we we started last year with a big video promotion campaign. I'm going to share with you some of the stats
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that came off of that campaign and then new things that were getting ready to launch in 2024.
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So with that very first thing.
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Excited to report, and you probably already know this, but we actually won our first national award for this program from the
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National Association of Counties this year.
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Who recognized it as a pillar for what it's doing in our community and actually setting the bar throughout the United States. So
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that's kind of cool. The next thing is.
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What I tried to do is give you guys.
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A quick synopsis of where we have come from and so this next slide here, let me move it on.
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Shows what has happened over the last five years, basically as far as website traffic goes. In 2019 we had about 22,000 visitors
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that came to the site that very first year.
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This year we're expecting and we're almost there, 223,000.
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So we're we're growing and you can see the the curve that we're growing at is pretty impressive. We've had the 547,000 unique
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visitors and almost 4 million page views that have been viewed on the site.
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So moving on to the next thing here.
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One of the biggest things that we set out to do was to get Discover Healer County. That was one of our biggest objectives was to
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get us recognized on Google and I'm proud to report now that most of our traffic comes from Google. In fact, in 2023, eighty
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percent, 81% of our traffic came from Google and that is 91% higher than other sites.
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Like ours in the industry.
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So we're killing it on Google right now.
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Our site has over 500 pages that rank in the top five spots on the first page.
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You know over 73% of our keyword.
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So that means if you do a Google search and just about all of our keyword terms, that we're on the first page.
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Which is huge. And that is all free traffic that is coming to discovering the county. And I did a quick you can see if I can
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figure out the pointer here.
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Right there.
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So the.
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Graph right here actually shows just a few of the various different keywords, like Fossil Creek, we're #1.
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Globe AZ #3, Pine AZ #1 and on down the list there and there's about 1000 of those keyword drums that we look at on a daily basis.
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Our visitors spend almost 7 minutes per session on our website and that puts us in the top 86% of tourism websites in North
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America.
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So compared to other sites that do what we do, we're in the upper echelon of that.
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Moving on to our social strategy, this is probably one of the reasons we've been so successful.
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And this is a really important slide. I keep forgetting here to move this on, but you'll see here how we stacked up with other
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major tourism related programs in the state of Arizona.
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Flagstaff is one of the top and the, you know, Prescott, Mesa, Tempe. And the big thing here is if you look at the right column.
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And I wish I could figure out.
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Oh, there we go. Yeah, so this column right here with the green shows.
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How many new followers those organizations are adding on a weekly basis?
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Notice that we are adding.
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Close to 300 compared to everybody else. So we're.
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Even after five years, we're growing faster than anybody else that we're tracking.
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Over 33% engagement rate for 2023.
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And according to Google, typically engagement rates are less than 1% in the tourism industry. That is somebody that's liking,
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comment, commenting or sharing our our Facebook or Instagram posts.
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So they are engaging with us for they're almost 33 times greater than other programs out there.
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This last year are actually since the start of the program.
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We've had almost 9 million people see our posts on Facebook.
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Total people have seen our post in 2020.
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Is almost, you know, 2.8 million.
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And then this is kind of cool. We're almost at 20,000 followers on Facebook, which is a huge feat in five years.
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Instagram, we're almost at 10,000 followers, so we're starting to really influence a lot of people with the things that we're
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sharing.
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This is one of the things that I'm most proud of is the video.
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Campaign that we did last year, we told you guys that we were going to produce.
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Three commercials.
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And we did that, and they were the Tunnel, National Monument, State Park, Tano Natural Bridge, State Park and Bishwagala.
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And we launched those actually on we actually through streaming Hulu and we did a partnership with Channel 3 and Channel 5 that
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generated one point 1.5 million people that saw those advertisements.
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During the Super Bowl, the Cactus League Spring Training, WM Golf tournament, Barrett Jackson and some of the other major events
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that were going on in the valleys when we were running this video campaign.
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It added almost 15,000 new visitors to the site to our website.
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And this is the cool one is almost 93.7% of the people that started watching that commercial.
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Finished watching it. So there was a lot of people that were exposed to Gila County this last year through those video promotions
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and we're going to talk a little bit more about that here in just a minute.
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So this is the probably the most important slide that I'm going to share with you now. If there's one thing you take away from my
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presentation, that's today.
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All these numbers that I'm going to present to you are not my numbers. They're from the Arizona Office of Tourism, so they've
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BeenVerified and this is a pretty cool story.
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In 2022, the direct spending.
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In Gila County, coming off of tourism dollars is up 3.8%.
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Employment associated with tourism is up 7.3%.
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Tax revenue associated with tourism is up 4.9%.
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And earnings for people that are employed.
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The tourism industry is up 10.6%.
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What that means to the people that live here in Gila County is that 12 point. What is it? 12180 dollars is offset because of that
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tourism spending that is coming into our county for each person that has a household here.
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The tunnel Natural Bridge State Park we saw in 2022.
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The sorry.
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The traffic there was 124,614 and 2023 through September.
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We were already a little over 103.
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So we're expecting that those numbers to continue to go up. Town National Monument visits, same thing.
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Through me, we had already seen 19,000 compared to last year's 31. So we're expecting those numbers to continue to decline. So if
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there's one thing that I want to show you though that I am most proud of is this bar right here.
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This is the last 25 years of direct spending that's come into Gila County specifically.
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If you look at the last two years.
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Those are the highest direct or direct travel spending years in the past 25 years.
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And most likely ever.
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So those numbers don't lie. They are showing that more and more money is getting spent here in Gila County because of this.
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So let's talk about the new opportunities, things to look forward to in 2024.
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We created 3 new 3 new commercials.
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And we are going to do this again.
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Phoenix is actually the host in 2024 to the NCAA Final Four this year.
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And so there would be a lot of people that are coming into town for that.
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So we've we've actually gone out and produced 6 new videos or three new videos.
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To various different versions of them that will be showcased.
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During that final four, the spring training on ABC and through who?
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And then kind of exciting because we've hit five years, it's time to redesign our website. And so we are in the process right now
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of developing a brand new up-to-date state-of-the-art website that will now be built on WordPress.
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Which will give us all the technologies and things that we need moving forward. So we're we're excited about that.
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We also felt like as a board, it was time to do a relaunch of this program to update people on what has happened over the last
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five years.
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And so we will actually be conducting in January and February some stakeholder meetings to to get feedback from folks.
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And leadership positions. And then in April, we will be doing a brand new relaunch of Discovery County with the new website and
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all the videos and all that kind of stuff.
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So moving on to the final things here.
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It's really cool actually, when you can show up at one of your destinations.
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And have an experience like this? I want to just read this real quick. Following our Discovery Gila County Board meeting in San
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Carlos in March of 2023, DDC board member Cody Gilson generously guided us through the enchanting super bloom at Paradox Mesa.
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Upon arrival, a car displaying in Minnesota license plate caught my eye. Cody, being the gracious host, approached them and
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inquired about their experience obtaining a permit. They politely replied They found it to be a straightforward process.
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Intrigued, I couldn't resist asking. You guys are quite a way quite a far away from home. How did you come across this stunning
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place?
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Much to my amazement, the woman responded. There's this incredible website loaded with directions, permit information and
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captivating images.
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We stumbled upon a promotion about this spot on their Facebook page.
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Eager to know more, I asked if she remembered the website's.
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With the smile, she swiftly located it on her phone and explained it's called Discovery the county.
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The synchronicity left us chuckling, she enthusiastically declared. We are absolutely sharing this gym with all our friends back
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home.
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That is a true experience that was totally not planned for, so it was actually really kind of cool.
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What are our businesses saying? Here's a brand new business actually that was just started last year up in Strawberry.
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And this was also something that was just, we get a lot of this kind of stuff that comes our way.
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And what they do to promote in our in our fantastic.
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We are within two hours of 5 million people who clamored to get away from the hectic city once in a while. Gila County is getting
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better by the day and discover Heela County is our voice. This program is what is vital to all of us. Thank you for all you do.
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So that's a local business owner that we didn't ask for that, he just sent it to us. So we felt really cool about that.
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So with I promised I was going to try to keep this within 15 minutes.
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I do have those six videos that I would love to show you at least one.
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If you want to see all of.
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You can tell me and we'll watch them all, OK? But.
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We want to at least see the one.
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OK, so let's do.
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Yeah.
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I think we're going to want to see all of them, OK?
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Feel Arizona's heartbeat as you.
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Part of it is the music in the.
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County and wild adventure awaits at Roosevelt Lake.
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Feel Arizona's heartbeat as you cast your line and reel in the catch of a lifetime. Lied on cobalt blue waters chasing sunlight
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Stands. Stories are woven, Bombs are forged around campfires and nature's untamed beauty surrounds. As day turns tonight, witness
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nature's artistry in the sky. Discover Gila County at Roosevelt Lake and explore the water.
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So remember, these are 32nd commercials that will be played during these various difficult events.
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Let's do.
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Explore the heart of Arizona's grandeur atop beyond spiraling, muggy own limb where endless wonder awaits. Marvel at the 2000 foot
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drop, taking in panoramic views of the lush pine forest below. Listen closely as ancient whispers echo through the rock formations
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carried by the wind from ages past. Immerse yourself in a Symphony of outdoor adventures where lakes, campgrounds and trails
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harmonize with Arizona's wilderness.
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Explore your wild side. Come discover Gila County.
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This is for everybody.
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Let me introduce to you.
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So there's a faster version for social media, and then there's what we call a story version and you're seeing.
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So this is the Roosevelt League.
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Days will remember what the world can see.
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Already ready to run in a while's falling. Ready to run and we won't stop you anymore.
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Yeah, this one was really fun. This is the winery. We looked at all the wineries throughout the new account, and this would turn
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out probably from tall Pines to large saguaros. Gila County's wine country is wild nature on display. Bruzy Vineyard blends
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innovation with tradition.
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While Tierra Madre Vineyards harmonizes history with Arizona beauty.
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Wagon, vineyard and estate unites community and craftsmanship. Here, time stands still. You'll hear Arizonae heartbeat in every
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glass. It's not just a visit. It's a profound connection to the land where every sip embodies our spirit. Come discover Gila
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County and explore the wild.
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Here we go.
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Our need is.
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Here we go.
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It's when your day is. I should take it. We will let it in. This is where the adventure begins.
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So those are the six new videos that we will broadcast this year.
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That's the end of my presentation.
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I think I did it in 15 minutes. You did great. You did really great. I loved him. Supervisor Humphrey.
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Well, it goes way back with me, yeah.
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I can remember when I was on the Industrial Development Authority years ago and we presented this to the supervisors. At that time
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it was Pastor Mark Anthony and Martin and and they didn't care to to pursue it. I believe Supervisor Martin very much wanted to
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pursue it, but the other two didn't.
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And so when when I and Supervisor Klein was elected.
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We thought it'd be a great idea and I think Supervisor Martin was the one that gathered you up and said hey.
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I got a future for you.
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And she was very much international and she told you she wanted.
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And so we got.
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You know, proud of you for getting that for her. I feel you. But anyway, it's it's great to plant a seed.
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And watch where it goes.
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Thank you very much for have brought this teen accounting the way you have and promote it the way you have for the accomplishments
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that it's come with. So add something to you. Thank you very, very much.
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Supervisor Klein.
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Cameron, I want to thank you and the whole group for for doing this. You know there was there was a lot of discussions when we
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started this. I know that you know from the legal side we had we had things to go over for the money that is involved.
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Even though we all couldn't help but expect it would help our constituents and our business people, we had no way of proving.
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You know and now.
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Now being where we're at and with all the awards that you guys have won to boot and the difference that I just see just in the
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local communities on any given day is like night and day and so. So having this for Gila County I would say for once.
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And and maybe quite a while I mean we we had some money go to the right place and.
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It had really helped our people on the ground and you know when you go back to the COVID times when when things were shutting down
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and people were worried about.
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Tax revenues and all that, and budgets seem to be falling except for the grant money. Ours never did. We stayed up there.
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And that had to do with Discovery the county.
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That's that's what kept us up there, you know, and and so going forward, I can't.
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Help, but be excited about what we're going to see and what's going to take place.
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I I kind of have to question you too. I mean, how much better can I get than where we are, where we are today? It's like.
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You guys are coming away. Oh, we gotta beat them. So that's what we're trying. Yeah, we gotta get ahead of the other. So yeah, so
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that's good. We're ahead of Prescott though, aren't we?
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Well, we're getting there. OK. They feel us coming. OK. All right. Well, thank you all so much for this. It's really good and it's
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a really good thing.
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Thank you. It really is. So thank you, Cameron. Thank you everyone. I wasn't there in the beginning, but it's so easy to support
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this.
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And I'm proud to.
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The charts and stuff that you show, I know they're just numbers.
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The cost versus the benefit is just.
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It benefits only 10s of millions of dollars to do this. I don't know how you have enough time in the day to do it, but for the
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last five years you've almost doubled every year. Doubled from the previous year. Seems like an impossible trajectory to continue,
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but you're you're already talking about revamping.
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And doing a new website and everything so.
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I have no doubt it's going to keep growing exponentially.
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I think it will. In fact, I wanted to share this last thing and thank you all three because you've all been huge supporters of
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this. We couldn't do it without the three of you, but we're hoping that these videos will allow us to now go after a new set of
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awards with the Arizona Office of Tourism.
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There is a program that if we can show the return on these videos, we can submit this whole campaign to them and that could be a
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huge weather or not cap to see that win. So last year we had like I said 1.5 million people that saw this, saw our advertisements
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and we tracked every little piece of data that we could and this year we're going to actually submit it to them. So hopefully we
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can get some more recognition for that so.
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But thank you all very much, James. Did you have anything? Yeah.
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Mr. Chairman, if you care to do so, you have a check for financial support for Discovery County that.
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Would appreciate if you would.
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Photo with Discovery County and the board offers cover Hilla County if you want to make that presentation at this point.
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The green.
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Good job guys.
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Very good job. Thanks a lot. Yeah.
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I.
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Okay.
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Thank you for that. Let's move on now to item 3.
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This will have a public hearing portion after the presentation.
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And it's for information, discussion, and action to adopt Gila County Vacation Rental and Short Term Rental Ordinance #2023-08.
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Randy Plummer, Good Morning, Chairman, Supervisors.
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I know this is.
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Subject that you're pretty much you're on one side or the other of.
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Process and and I just want to state that currently Gila County.
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Regulate short term rentals.
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This ordinance establishes the process of regulating new and existing short term rental properties.
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These regulations are put in place both for the safety of the property owner, the guest saying at the short term rental and the
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benefit of the community in which property is located.
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I'm going to hit the highlights that this will be a yearly permit.
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And there's a process for this.
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There's emergency contact requirements.
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That a representative would have to be on the site if the Sheriff fire department was to call them.
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There's also the neighborhood.
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Notification, which is the neighbors next to you across the street from you and diagonally across the street from you.
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There's a process for verifying penalties and violations.
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There's ways to.
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Revoke their license or suspend their license. There are sex offender.
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Background.
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State has put on a requirement for short term rentals for insurance.
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And that these would all have to be displayed.
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In their advertisements.
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Umm, there's like you said. You're you're.
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For or against depends on what side you're on, and that's fine and I received.
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From the clerk of board yesterday 2 e-mail.
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That I know you were probably provided, but I didn't know if you want me to read them into the record or not. But I will tell you
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it's Jeff and Susan points from.
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Payson, AZ and Carolyn and Larry.
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Also in.
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So if you'd like me to read them in the record, I'll be more than happy to. So, Randy, the Eppers are here and wish to speak, so
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let's forego the reading of that. That's 4 pages long.
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The one here from Jeff and Susan Boyce, who are also on Gibson Ranch Rd.
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Would it be alright if I?
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Briefly stated, some of the items that in the letter without having to read it. It's rather lengthy as well.
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They they said that.
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They are in favor, I believe, of the ordinance. The dirt roads, there's lots of dust. There's the vehicles that are speeding.
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Loud parties. Drugs. Quads doing doughnuts. Spinouts.
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And it's gotten out of control. They're basically running motels in our private neighborhood. So I hope I didn't.
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Not represent that to its fullest, but I believe that that gives you a sense of how they feel about it.
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And I will tell you, this is our third public.
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And I have met with several people at our counter.
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So far I haven't had anyone outright against it. I've had people who want it to be stricter.
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But again, we're following state statute.
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And I will tell.
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Plagiarized a little. We used a couple other jurisdictions formats.
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And took a little good parts out of each of them and and applied to this one. I think it's pretty good ordinance. Again, there are
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things that we just can't.
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Enforce, you know, some of these sort of statements are we should always be able to go into.
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A residence whenever we want and that just, you know that's not.
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But there are a lot of things, and I will tell you, this is our first.
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Stab at this. I'm assuming lately it seems that the state has.
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Modifying this on a.
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Progression and next year we may be back for you if there's something in there that we think we need to do.
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But I I do think that we do not currently enforce this. I think it's important that we.
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Some portion of this if you have any concerns about what we are currently doing, but I weren't happy to answer any questions that
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I can. Thank you Randy Supervisor Humphrey.
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I have no questions.
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They'll come in after.
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OK, Supervisor.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Randy. So I am for a.
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A permanent system like this, but I'm also for doing it right. And so by that I mean, unfortunately, no matter what we deal with,
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we have a handful of bad actors and we have a big handful of people doing a good job. And so to me, it's like I don't want to see
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us hammer in any of our folks that are doing a good job.
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Just to get to these bad actors.
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And so so there's parts of this that.
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So let's just, let me just ask, ask you First off, like a sex offender like this, so somebody wants to rent a house or whatever it
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is and the owner of that.
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Short term rental would have to do the background check on them, correct? A lot of times the organization. So if you run through
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VRBO they automatically do that because it's a state requirement.
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And they would provide that if they if they're not renting through VRBO.
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Any of the organizations that would do that, then they would do the background check themselves.
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There's several organizations that you can call into and are can provide you the information that you need.
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So it's not.
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Over cumbers.
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Process but you will have to make a phone call and and follow up on that as as the provider of the facility.
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And I agree with Sir, this is not to hammer the goods to get to the bads or vice versa. Really the goods.
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Probably already have everything that's in this ordinance in their process.
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They're just going to come fill out a form with us.
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That we're going to ask for that contact information, those kind of things, and make sure we have it on there.
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So if there's a occupant, loads.
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You know, so if you're having 45 people at a two-bedroom house.
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And there's probably going to be a problem there. And then sheriff's may get called out. The sheriff will be able to look that up
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and know that there really is only supposed to be 468 people, whatever the occupant load is.
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And the Oscillo will be based on the septic system that is provided, that was permitted with that facility and the good ones
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aren't going to have those issues. Like I said, we've had several comments. I think our first meeting we had people that said they
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can't even get into their driveways, can't get into their houses because.
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Because 40-5, people park on the streets.
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And crossover their driveways and they literally are held hostage. That's not a goal that we want to pursue here, but if you're
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parking on the site and and you're a good neighbor.
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You're not going to see as much.
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You know you you pull your trash cans in instead of letting them get dumped over by the animals where all the neighbors are
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picking up the trash.
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You know, I don't see us coming out there and we're not trying to be heavy-handed into all this. Um.
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Like I said, I'm going to tell you I'm. I'm.
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Betting 90%.
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Are good and and are good neigh.
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And are trying to just make a living or whatever they're doing with their vector facilities, it's 10%. I mean it's kind of like
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that way.
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I think across the board, in a lot of areas, it is that the 10%'s the problem.
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You know, just like the sheriff, they they.
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Get the 10%, they're not really out there to do anything with the 90% and we won't be either. So. So Randy I had discussion
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earlier with with Michael and.
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I was kind of running a little bit late this morning but didn't have a lot of time to talk about it. I went through this and.
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And one thing that was brought up when we talked about is.
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Is that on the short term rental deal is now going to become a business basically or is a business?
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And so some of these these.
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These bills.
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Other places like motels have to deal with it. What not like that, but like like this this one on the permit issuance and denial
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part of it, A through F has to do with mostly background checks of one sort or another.
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Motels don't deal with that.
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When I, you know they don't do a background check on me when I go in and check on a motel. So where? Why?
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And I'm not saying this is bad. I just want to. I want this out on the open. But why would we?
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Where does this come from? Is this something like this, this come from statute? Is that, is that where it's coming from? Yeah,
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pretty much everything that we're going through here is from state statute.
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Now Hotel Motel is in a business orientated area C2 commercial area.
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And and you're right, they aren't required to do a lot of these things. But this is where we're putting and I agree with this is a
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business.
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And.
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Pseudo and I don't know if they're backwards, but hotel, motel in the middle of a neighborhood. A quiet family neighborhood where
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kids are playing next door.
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Umm, so they don't?
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The state has put in the safeguards by allowing this, and remember, we can't stop.
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Short term rentals.
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The state does not allow us to.
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So anyone can make a short term rental, but they put in these safeguards so that if you are putting these in the neighborhoods,
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which is where they're.
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And it could be a dense neighborhood. It could have, you know, houses.
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You know, downtown?
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You're got a lot of houses around you and you got kids out there and you got everything else out there, so they do want to keep
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the sex offenders out of there. We're in a commercial neighborhood.
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I don't know the real reasoning.
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That would follow that but.
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They're more transient.
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We're on a short term rental. You might be there longer than a hotel.
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You have more room to do stuff that you're the bad actor to do stuff you're probably.
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Shouldn't be done that you would do when you're out on the Main Street and main highway.
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So, you know, one of the big complaints we get a lot of is the traffic and the.
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Side by side and dust and all that stuff. You know, if they're licensed side by side, they're required to meet our.
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And you know, that's that's traffic that the sheriff and all them would have to deal with.
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That's not really something that we can go out and say.
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You can't take your.
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Vehicle out on his Dirt Rd.
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So we can talk with the owners when they do that and say the people you're running to are are becoming a nuisance to your
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neighbors.
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So we can't address some of that.
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So I'm not saying that I'm opposed to any of this, but what I want to really get at is this. Whether it's me, you or anybody else,
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we sometimes make mistakes, we miss stuff. So if somebody, if if this was to go through and this was to happen and an owner.
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Missed something on a sex offender? Maybe it's here. They didn't come up with it, they didn't see it. Whatever. 6 offenders were
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supposed to notify wherever they go.
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And but but say that that didn't happen and then later it did and then we go back on them.
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Well, they tried. They they they tried to do what they needed to do, but just missed something.
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So what what would happen from our Stan standpoint, We're not going to pull their license if somebody makes an honest mistake and
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and this is something are you?
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A matter of fact, they get 3.
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So let's say that they made the call, came back no sex offender.
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They did their due diligence and if the guy ended up figuring.
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And I don't want to give any legal right here figuring out a way to use a different name.
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I don't know what it would imply there, but they did their due diligence. We would consider that they did that.
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They didn't make the.
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And there was a sex offender there. We could do with the first fine, the first violation.
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Say, hey, you really do got to call these guys. You got to follow up on this document that you called at this time and date.
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You know or whatever the requirements.
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Then that, then there they would get that first fine. Like I said, it's after the third fine.
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That we can get in there to revoke a license, but something that is as simple as an honest mistake or they couldn't find it. It
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wasn't there for what they had available. That wouldn't even be a strike, right? OK, so going on, I want to talk about insurance,
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$500,000 liability insurance, so.
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I know we're going to hear from some people here pretty quick on the public deal and it's going to be really good to hear. But I
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believe there's some of these platforms like VRBO and and whatnot that when you sign up with them, they have an insurance policy
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that you get by signing, signing up, right.
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Matter of fact our our.
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Ah, that.
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It basically I'm not seeing the exact wording but if the BRBO provides that insurance then it's done OK. So we're not we would not
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require anything not additional.
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This is just the the 500,000 the VRBO already provides. Now if you're not going through VRBO and you're just branching this out.
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Facebook. Then you do have to have the 500,000 on your house or on your property, which probably already have close to that
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anyway. I know I do on my property, so they would have to show that they have insurance on the property.
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OK.
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So the next question that I have too is one of the means of gauging how many people are in a house is per bedroom. There's there,
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I think, he said. By state standards, they figure two people per bedroom for the wastewater standards, which are covered under ADQ
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and all those places, it's usually two per bedroom.
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Is what the system is designed.
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They can. You can have a bigger system.
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But you know, a lot of these are the older homes.
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That worked over to sign and are probably under the requirements now. So if you have a three bedroom house then yes the the way
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and and it's not as hard and fast two per bedroom.
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All this will be reviewed by waste.
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So when the application comes in, we're going to show them what they got. They look up the wastewater system, they see the size
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that they have, say OK, they're good for 10 people.
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Then we would allow ten people on that property.
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So what I'm saying, OK, so I like that a little bit As far as having some common sense into this one thing that I would say, even
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me personally, if I've got a three bedroom house and I have a long weekend and I've got four extra people coming up to stay for
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the weekend, they're going to stay there.
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And so where it would be 6, it would actually be more than that.
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So we're there. So to from a county standpoint to have that flexibility I think will be a very good thing.
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And I would not like to see us not have that. One of the issues with short term rentals is the fact you got 3 bedroom house and
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there's 30 people staying in it.
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That's one of the complaints that we had before, You know, they're they're absolutely over maxed.
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And I I see that, but from a common sense standpoint, if I've got 3 bedrooms.
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I could probably hold 1012 people for a weekend. It's not going to hurt anything. You see what I'm saying?
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And so to have the flexibility.
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I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with the wastewater folks telling us what we're going to do here.
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Just to be honest with you, I think I think we need to really look at that pretty hard and have something that's a little bit
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more.
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More down for.
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But I'm just saying now I'm not, I have no way of knowing, but I'm just saying they're going to be a little bit more on the
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conservative numbers.
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When, when, when you really look at these most of these short term rentals these houses are used for.
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2-3, maybe 4 nights.
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You know, and they're gone and then they may set vacant for two weeks before they.
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So I think there needs to be some common sense in that as well.
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The the part, there's a part in there about the traffic and the vehicles.
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If there's a number on these places, depending on how big of a house there is, that will help.
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You know, one of the things that I and I've been talking to some folks too, is that if you had in there, no parking on the
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streets.
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You know, that's one of the things that I've heard personally in my town meetings when I'm around is these places, of course
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they're they're packed to the gills with people that that's too much. But the streets are plugged up. You can't get through the
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streets, you know. So if the cars actually had to park on the property like on the driveway or whatever it is most every house has
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a driveway. So you know that is in the ordinance that the.
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The people they're renting it to, they're supposed to be able to park their vehicle on the property.
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Now you know you come up here for relatives, right? I mean you not always, but come up here for relatives and and you're have four
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people in the house and all of a sudden 2 relatives come over or 4 relatives come over.
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We can't regulate that. They can't park on the street. We're just saying the people that are responsible for running the house are
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exposed to have room on the site to park their vehicles. OK, so the, you know, your relatives can come over, they can park in the
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street. Anyone really can. Can't be a nuisance, you know, and block other people's properties.
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And that kind of thing and that we hear.
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All the time, All the time. You know, like so I've shared that we've had a three bedroom house that.
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Those corporate events and advertisements? It'll sleep 45 people.
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That's an issue.
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You know, we're more concerned about safety.
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You know, if you know every bedroom has a egress door going out in the hallway also has emergency egress, It has a certain size
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window.
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So people can get out and actually that size of windows for a fireman to get in there with all of his gear to get people out.
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Mm-hmm. So we have people that try to use closets and say their bedroom and they have none of that. So no, I wouldn't.
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Want if there are six people that are, you know, there's three bedrooms and they're sick people and they're trying to throw people
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down in the garage or down in, I would think that is a bad thing because there is life safety standards that are not being met.
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And not everyone knows when you go rent someplace.
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Umm, what the rules are, you know, I mean.
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Building department would, but as a normal person they would not know that oh, the garage, there's a bed down here. This is nice
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and cozy.
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They got, you know, they put a fireplace in but there's no ventilation.
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You know those kind of things where that's what we're going to be dealing with looking at a little bit. And I will tell you our
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first year I don't see us making site inspections on every house.
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But I would think in the future as.
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We figure out really what.
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The load is of all this that we will.
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You know, I will tell you, I went through this. It was more for rehab.
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Locations we went inspected everyone and set an octane load.
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Ran through a lot less problems than than we had before. Like I said, if we can.
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We really don't know.
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Be honest with you. All of the problems that can occur may occur.
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Again, I see us coming before you later on maybe to revise this ordinance to.
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Modify it better modify it. Take something out that didn't work. You know, I don't want to sit here and tell you this is perfect.
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I don't think there is anything that's going to be perfect, but you know this will all go through code enforcement.
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And code fortunate goes through me and um.
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People will have in a hearing.
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And people will have if it went to a hearing.
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We tell them what we see, they tell them what they say. It's the hearing officers decision. So it's not anyone that's going to
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just because I said.
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Paint the house green. It's.
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You know, they all have their opportunity.
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Respond to anything that gets said by a neighbor, by us, by anyone.
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And they explained that to a hearing officer and if the hearing officer thinks they're correct.
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He makes his ruling and we're done.
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So, so Randy, let me let's talk about the inspections just a little bit.
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So however we come out with this because we'll come out with something I I feel certain, but I want it to work and I don't want us
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to be so intrusive.
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That is going to drive people out of.
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So how do we make sure that that doesn't happen?
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Intrusive.
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Definition that is decided by each person.
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Just that we're there could be intrusive by, considered intrusive by.
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We're going to be looking for life safety items. I mean, I don't really care what color.
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Anything is you got new flooring, you're doing cabinets, but were you showing your bedrooms? Are they life safety?
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Did you put a fireplace in maybe or may not have been with the permit and is that safe? Do you have a CO2 detector in the house?
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Is there a fire extinguisher in the house?
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You know the same things.
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Go through on a hotel motel.
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They look at all that stuff. Most of the time they make them sprinkle the buildings. We're not looking at any of that. Was still a
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single family home. It is an R3.
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And.
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Where I see there could be problems.
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Because we have some of these where people try to turn the tough shed into.
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A residence and they rent that out.
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Yes, during an inspection, that's going to get caught and that's not probably going to go over.
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And they're going to be upset.
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You know.
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For some reason people believe because they have been caught for a while that it's OK, it's grandfathered in because they've had
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this tough shed for 10 years.
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It was never permitted to be a residence. It never met those requirements that you know most of that stuff usually will.
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Not without a permit be walked.
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And would we turn our eye to?
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Because that is a life safety item.
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But if if you're in a house and you were permitted and you built the.
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You know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and I met Co Denny. Been there ever since.
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We're not going to go through and make you change your electrical system and put our fault in or something. Smoke detectors we
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would look for, but nowadays you can put battery operated ones with a 10 year battery on them.
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You know it's not.
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Overly intrusive in my opinion, but again, just because I'm on a site some people consider that obtrusive. So I I can't say to you
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that we won't be intrusive, but.
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I can.
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This is not.
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Our main thing.
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The only thing our department will be doing.
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But we'll look at the life safety items pretty, pretty closely.
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Randy thinks I've got more questions, but I want to see, I want to hear from the public when when they all get a chance to speak
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and and I'm I'm sure we're going to have quite the discussion on this today which I I welcome I I think that's great.
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And and like I said I just want to get it right before we do this. So and I I like I said I think a lot of this.
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They're usually on one side or the other. It's not. There's very few people that are straight down the middle.
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They're either forward or against. So so to be honest with you, I've heard so much opposed to short term rentals from residents
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from neighborhoods complaining about the parties, the the speeding, the overcrowding, the trash. The kids turned loose on a four
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Wheeler. That's the now babysitter for the.
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For the kids that there's no doubt we have to do.
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I just want to make sure that when we did it.
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And also I wouldn't mind seeing in this that we give it six months or a year and then we readdress it again to see how it is
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doing.
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So that's that's something I want to throw out there as well.
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Mr. Charlton, I'll let you have it now for me, OK. Thank you, supervisor, clients. So I support the ordinance even though.
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Received some complaints that were expanding government. We're growing government this ordinance though.
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I believe we need to have something in place without it being overly intrusive. I agree with Supervisor Klein.
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We should have somet.
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And we should all know. The public should know, and we should know that if something is not working within the ordinance, we still
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have the ability to make those adjustments.
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We can add or subtract things in and out of the ordinance through another board meeting until.
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It fits, he.
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The way we all would want it to fit.
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And.
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Legally would agree. We can do that, any kind. I mean, it doesn't have to be 3 months, six months, a year. If you were hearing
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from the consensus, this really isn't working and and we can.
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Articulate what that problem is or is.
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We can come back anytime.
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And work on correcting that. None of these are set in stone. They're always changing their you're voted on and and you want to see
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a change. Then we will look at that change and and see if we can legally do it. You know, like I said there, I've had people that
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want me to do stuff that.
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Just isn't allowed by state statute. So no, there are some things we probably couldn't fix in doing that, but this is not set in
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stone. It's not, you know, we can always come back at your pleasure and and make modifications as we need to. Thank you, Randy,
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Supervisor Humphrey, anything at this juncture, I'll still wait until after the public. Thank you. OK, I'd like to open it up now
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then to the public hearing section.
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And I have several pieces of paper I think I'm going to call Janae Seren. Is it Sarin?
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And your address is in Scottsdale. OK. So thank you for coming.
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Go ahead. We're going to try and hold it to about 3 minutes. That's all right. OK.
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And obviously we all can see from the tourism increase this is going to be not only, you know it's going to be more of a problem,
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not less is a problem. I do agree it needs to be addressed, but as Superintendent Klein said, I'd like it to be reasonable.
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I'd like to have it workable. I myself we own 2 vacation rentals and strawberry within a mile of each other.
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One is 4000 square feet and the other is about 3000 square feet. They're both on VRBO, but we also have a website for one of them.
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To impose.
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A two person per bedroom.
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Limitation on a bedroom that's 4-5, maybe even 600 square feet is kind of ridiculous. I understand there needs to be a maximum,
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but I don't think 2 per bedroom is it. And that's let's look at the size, let's look and and if it needs to have an inspection,
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great, that's fine. I just don't want to be limited and advertised as I have.
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That it holds 25 people. There are beds for 29 people. I advertise for 25, 'cause I don't really want more than that. So that's
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the first thing I have. It's an arbitrary maximum. The way it's written in, there are two people per bedroom. Yeah, for 1000
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square foot or maybe even a 1500 square foot house. That works. It does not work for a bigger house and I feel personally
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discriminated against as owner of a big house.
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In these bedrooms we get a lot of multi generational.
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Family reunions, stuff like that. So a small bedroom or a bedroom that size.
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The whole family and sleeps in there and that's not a problem. Small things.
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The other thing as Superintendent Clyde, is the is the background checks.
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He Randy, kept saying that. Randy Plummer, Mr. Plummer said. Make the call. I I guess I'd like some clarification. What call is
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that? Because when it's in the in the verbiage, it says that I as an owner need to keep for 12 months.
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Either digitally or in writing that I've done this, I have absolutely no problem. I am I am not only one of the 90%, I'm probably
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one of the 99% that goes above and beyond. I've done all of this other stuff. The only thing probably I'll need to do other than
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making background checks.
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Is.
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$250 I mean everything else I'm already doing. But here on this I want to know where do I call? I know I can get a list of the sex
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offenders, but that's not what it says in the words.
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It says that I need to do a background check. Does that mean a credit check?
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Does that mean I go and find out?
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You know how what they drive, what kind of background check. I'd like that clarified.
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And I if that means calling and or looking online and downloading that list once a month, I'm perfectly fine with that. I really
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do want the community protected.
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I have never had a trouble as far as I know, but I would like that clarified. Umm.
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Like I said, we've already given all of our neighbors our contact info. We have a noise aware device that tells us when.
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Our guests are being too noisy. We have one outside, we have one inside. We get text alerts. We get emails.
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We can.
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The gas at that time, it has been extremely effective. This is something that VRBO has suggested they support. We as soon as it
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became available, signed up for it. That's something that is an option is the noise aware system.
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It's very, very effective.
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And like I said, all of all of our neighbors know who we are and.
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So like I said, my whole thing is is can we just have background checks and not?
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I mean, it's check and see if they're a sex offender, not a background check it doesn't. I'd like that clarified.
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Thank you for those comments. So, Randy, is there any clarification you can give at this time?
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On the flexibility of occupancy within.
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And also the background check.
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Question. She doesn't understand what that?
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So we do have what there are websites and we will be providing a list just like we do with contractors or something like that. And
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they perform the background check and VREO does not do that. By the way, I called, I was on hold for VRBO an hour yesterday. They
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do not do background checks.
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So.
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There, that they.
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List that we would provide to everyone will do the background check and they just say they're good and what's the cost on them.
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They when I called, they I did one on me. There was no cost when I called.
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Yeah, OK.
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I'm assuming so. I only had me. I didn't really want to check out anyone else.
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But I did call on me. It cost me nothing.
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We'll have you know I'm not a sex offender. I found out, so I'm good.
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But.
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So now the occupant load they could certainly come in and talk with you know our first line of fence was going to be wastewater.
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Just.
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Umm, I don't know how the system was designed. It's all based on flow as we know. You know, they could say they've never had an
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issue.
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And you know, talk with Jake, that would be our first line and then if they did really want to, you know.
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10 people in.
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I would suspect that we could go out and verify the thing. The egress and everything is, is I'm not talking about putting to the
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attendance, I I'm just you know, I have a five bedroom house. We have 5 bedrooms so that would be you know a lot of bedrooms.
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Bigger than most. And we could certainly look at that as a request that we'd go out there and look at that. I did that before when
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we dealt with the homes. They say, hey, we really.
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15 instead of 10 they could show me how that.
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If it works, it works if you're If you're amenable to that, that was one of my. So this will be a case by case, not just an
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arbitrary number.
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Right. If you came in and the ones that a lot of the ones we talked to do not have the bigger homes, they have the 12115 hundred
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and we tell them, OK, you got 3 bedrooms, we're saying six people. OK, I'm good with that.
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If someone came in and really wanted to request a different number, I'm not going to guarantee that we would give that number, but
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we would go out and verify that it was safe.
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And if it was, there's no reason not to let him have that.
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And is there if we disagree with you? If you tell me, Oh no, only 12 people can be here. Do I have options?
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To dispute.
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We can always go to our hearing officer.
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Which is set.
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And if and he the same thing we normally do, what I would do is we staff presents what we think.
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You present what you think he makes a.
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He may say, show me how you can do this or whatever, Mr. Chair, if I may, just getting into a one-on-one argument and as far as
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sewer goes, the state has.
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Sewer regulations. And so we're getting into an argument here and in my opinion it's not how big the house is. You can have a 35
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bedroom house, but if you only got a septic that only handles so much flow, that's all the state will allow. So I we're getting
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into a one-on-one argument here that I think the state statue will take care of. It's not ours and especially we're not going to
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get it dealt with.
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In this argument, OK, good. Thank you for.
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Is there anyone here? Anyone else here in the Globe Room?
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Cassandra, do we have anyone on the Internet with a question?
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OK. I think we have several in.
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We have a Carolyn Eppler who lives.
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Gibson Ranch Rd.
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Who also wrote a.
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E-mail So, Carolyn, would you care?
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She wishes to speak.
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So we're going to, like I said, to keep things moving. We're going to try and keep it to 3 minutes.
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OK. Thank you very much supervisors for the opportunity to comment.
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I am in support of this ordinance. I recognize there's pros and cons between enough if you're the investor or the residential
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families that are addressing with the problems and many of their rural, residential unincorporated areas in Henley County.
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There are one acre, two acre, three acre parcels.
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And we in our neighborhood, we have that I'm aware of at least 6.
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Short term rentals. We've had problems and had to call law enforcement.
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As Mr. Boyce had shared, there's several issues with.
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Problems with ATV's coming on other private properties. There's a lot of issues with that and as far as the background check.
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It's my belief that that's important.
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You have many restrictions for long, excuse me, long term rent.
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UH, there's restrictions in hotels for different requirements.
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And it appears to me at this point because there are no regulations.
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Currently, if they shot their mental.
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They are not addressing any of these issues as a rental without an ordinance.
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They're being treated as a regular residential home.
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So I I feel strongly that the background check is important.
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How that's done? There's different ways to accomplish that, but even with that in place, you have short term rentals where the
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person applying for that rental may not end up even staying there, and however many people that join them, they don't have
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background checks.
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Problem with drug issues?
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In our neighborhood, we've had to head the sheriff.
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Run people out of that rental, actually.
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So the background check is a start. It will help protect the neighbors and the children.
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And you know, we don't have issue with people wanting to earn money, but when it impacts a residential area with families where
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there's no control of who's going to be coming in there renting that facility for a few days.
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Our experience so far has not been positive with with the half dozen houses in our neighborhood right now.
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And you have my letter of comments, so you can look at the details, but I'd like to dismiss, you know, if there's no path on the
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density of how many these rentals can be in a residential area.
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There's a lot of folks that want to leave because of these short term, and folks because of the problems, you're going to end up
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flipping that residential area down the road into more transient.
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Rather than what's been there for decades. As a tight knit family residential area, I don't want to see that happen.
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I appreciate the ordinance. Hopefully that will help.
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From a legal aspect is how the short term rentals affect.
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The hotels and the BNP's and they're coming out of hosted houses and that's another issue that I I hope that you take a closer
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look at when you have a short term rental with no one that owns the home being there versus one that is posted.
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I have seen in the past where the hosted rental, there's much more accountability, less issues.
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When the the person that owns that property rents it out without being there.
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That's where we've seen a lot of problems.
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Thank thank you, Mr. Zeppler. We're we're out of time.
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And I'll make sure that your e-mail, I think Randy already has it, but I'll make sure.
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He can review that.
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Thank you for those comments.
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If we want to discuss this further, how do we go about doing that?
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The Well you can continue to e-mail.
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And I have a feeling that we're going to be looking at this ordinance and its performance over the next.
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Months and perhaps years to make sure that we're doing the best that we can and it's fair and.
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Legal.
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Some of the things requested are not within our legal.
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Ability.
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OK. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity. Thank.
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Michelle Nelson.
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Payson, AZ.
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Thank you, supervisors. I appreciate the opportunity to speak on this issue today.
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I understand why this ordinance is being contemplated.
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We have issues with short term rentals in my community and I'm sure you hear about the same one.
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That said, this ordinance will only increase the complaint and as we just observed today, your compliance officer was having an
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argument with an owner in your chambers this morning.
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All what I say that this word meant to violate the state law just from the documents provided from this agenda item. State does
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not require owners to run a background check if they are on a platform that does. Your ordinance not only requires all owners to
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run a check, it requires them to keep the documents on file for median inspection for a full year.
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Not only that, but this ordinance opens the door for a neighbor, vengeful supervisor or code enforcement officer to nitpick an
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owner out of business between onerous fines and upgrades.
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The ordinance is full of both burdensome requirements, including how often you change sheets, pest control, hosting of county
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ordinances, exit plans for a studio department, and it goes on and on. State law strictly limits the additional regulations you
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impose on short term rentals in residential neighborhoods, so the county would be opening itself to lawsuits and empowering
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neighborhood feuds with an overly restrictive ordinance. Already the Arizona Supreme Court has sided with short term rental owners
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over HOA.
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And these guys, I thought, were impervious. In the decision Martin Calloway versus Calibria Ranch HOA, the court found that HOA's
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cannot restrict.
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Short term rentals a clear win for owners, so I respectfully request that staff go back to the drawing board and minimize the
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regulations to solve the problem at hand, which is party houses.
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But if you're unwilling to do that, I just ask you to do three things. And the town of Payson did them the day they voted for
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their ordinance was #1 waved the background check for the guests and poster on a platform that does check #2 give owners a 30 day
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grace period to correct efficiencies before you impose fines and #3 add the word adults to the bedroom capacity limit. This will
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remove the discrimination against families. Thank you very much.
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Thank you, Michelle. I'll make sure that these comments.
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That Randy gets these comments I have right here.
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Next.
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Verla Dockler Dr. Sorry.
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On Wayne Drive.
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I really appreciate you guys letting us come in and speak with you.
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We are residents and we are Airbnb years.
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20 years ago my husband and I bought our first home in our neighborhood. It was a major fixture upper with a tree growing through
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the roof. We spent our weekends coming up and fixing up this home and turning it into a from a community eyesore to a night 1800
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square foot home. We had our family come up and enjoy the home with us. This house 10 people with no problem.
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Our grandkids enjoyed our camper.
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If they called it in 2010, we purchased the halls next door. That was one of the worst eyesore in our community. We had to tear it
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down and rebuild. There is not one person in our community who won't say that we have improved the look of this community.
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We then purchased another home that was another fixture effort and improved the look of that. I would invite anybody to come and
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see our home and see the improvement we've made in our community.
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These are now Airbnb. We live in the community. We have never had a complaint on any of our homes but your broad regulations.
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That can just bring.
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Law against us is just going to shut us down. We're not going to be able to pay your fine.
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And your registration.
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And keep going because there are people in the community.
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That will bring complaints, yet you're not going to make them adhere to any of these rules that we have to adhere to.
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They're able to park in.
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Our neighbor doesn't like that we have an Airbnb. He blocked our driveway with his car.
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No regulations to that, is there.
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That same neighbor called us one day and said our renter was playing music on the piano. We couldn't hear the music, so we pulled
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into the yard.
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That same render, the next best game owner the next day was blasting music that could be heard three doors down. He's not
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regulated, but we will be.
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What about the long term rental?
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I want to tell you that Michelle and I got together and formed a committee in our community to address the Airbnb issues.
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We told them in a board meeting how to get ahold of Airbnb and VRBO should they have any concerns.
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That same.
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And we only had out of 27 known Airbnb, three that were causing a problem.
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That same day, a neighbor called on the one of the problem homes to Airbnb within 24 hours.
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The owner had been contacted. He had been told that the renters had to leave immediately.
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They left that owner then said. I guess I have a problem. He contacted the rest of the neighbors and he has now addressed the
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amount of people he's renting to, and we've not heard one more complaint about his property.
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The other owner called me up and said because it complaints about his property, he had decided to go to a long term rent.
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Guess what his long term rental knowledge had?
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After 5 Ferris cars out there flashing.
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Because of domestic issues.
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And, we're told, involving guns.
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That's a long term rental, they've got a year lease.
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They're not a weekend issue.
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They're a permanent issue.
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OK. We're out of time. I do appreciate the comments.
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Thank you for coming.
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Thank you. And lastly, we have Gretchen Goslin, Gibson Ranch.
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Good morning, Board of Supervisors. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak on the behalf.
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I, here with my neighbors, purchased that off Gibson Ranch Rd. about almost five years ago. We have a very strong sense of
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community there.
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And we love that about our community.
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My concern is the sheer density of some of these rentals that are coming into our neighborhoods.
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As Miss Efler stated, we have 6 within a probably a quarter mile of us it seems like what a property goes up for sale?
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They become short term rentals.
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The traffic is just, I know these are things that you guys can't address and I do thank Randy for.
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Starting this discussion and the ordinance and I believe that we should be doing background checks. Background checks means felons
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coming into our neighborhood and things like that, not just sex offenders. But it is concerning.
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This is a long road to, you know, getting some of these issues fixed.
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I just would like to continue attending the meetings or staying in contact with community development to see how we can, you know,
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have have some type of ordinance. I do believe that things should be regulated.
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We're not trying to really drive out the already existing rentals, but I sure hope that we can do something about.
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This density of.
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And the person that represented that was heard before was showing the growth here in Payson.
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We just kind of want to keep our communities safe for our kids, things like that.
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So thank you for listening. Thank you.
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This time I'm going to close the public hearing.
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Portion and ask supervisor.
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Oh, we have another one, Lisa.
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I have a Jeff Boyce here to speak.
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We will reopen the public.
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Will this be our?
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Yes, Sir. Thank you. Please state your name and your address, please.
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Jeff Boyce, 8079 W Gibson Ranch Rd. Payson, AZ.
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I thank you for the opportunity to address the board.
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You have the letter that I wrote.
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Would you like me to read it quickly? If you'd like, I'd like. I briefly went over earlier. We'd like to hold it to 3 minutes, so
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maybe just the highlights.
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Well, this letter is to address the problems we're having with the short term.
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Rentals and our property. We are a private road. It's a dirt Rd.
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It's a dusty.
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And I moved there about five years ago, and I knew every car that went by, every resident that lived on our road. Now I have no
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idea who's coming down our Rd. They're speeding. They're making dust like you wouldn't believe.
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This is a private road and there's a dirt Rd. so we have to maintain the road. The county does it so we have all this traffic and
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they don't have to maintain the roads, they just tear it up.
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And I would like to address the the non commercial our resident is our neighborhood is a non commercial residence. I don't
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understand how having a short term rental which is basically a motel.
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Is allowed in our neighborhood. We have one neighbor that actually has a sign in the front of his driveway. Welcome to Clough
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Hospitality. If that's not a business.
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Then I don't know what is.
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We have problems with the drugs. I just found out today that there is a second short term rental that has problem with the renters
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bringing in drugs. We have investors coming into our property buying homes. They do not live there at all. It is strictly for
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short term rentals which ends up with five or six trucks and trailers and quads and side by side.
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Loud music and drugs. That is one that the drugs were brought into.
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I just don't understand how these short term rentals can even be legal, period.
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And especially in a non commercial neighborhood and like I said the effect on on the town. Payson is a very small town. There's a
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few motels and hotels in town. Now you tell me how you can take all of these Airbnbers that you can rent A room for 40 bucks a
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night. Now that is hurting our community. That is hurting the business owners that have to apply.
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By all the rules, regulations.
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Codes for safety and everything else. And now you just have people to buy a house, probably from the valley or, you know, wherever
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they're from, and just leave a key somewhere. And people come and party in our neighborhood. Our neighborhood is not what I spent
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hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy a home and therefore is not our peaceful private neighborhood anymore.
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I don't understand how a non commercial neighborhood can have.
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Businesses running in them with even signage on the front of their business.
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Thank you very much for your time and I hope we can resolve this issue. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Boyce and I want to thank
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everyone that had comments and input, so I'll close the public.
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Hearing portion of this item and I was going to call on Supervisor Humphrey, but Randy, do you have something, but I want to
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address the density.
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Density, OK. It's been brought up. So state stat.
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Overrides all this. It doesn't allow us to pick every other house.
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That that can be a short term rental, that can't be, that can be, State says. We are not allowed to regulate who is the short term
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rental.
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We can make sure that they are a permitted structure and license for that, but we're not allowed to.
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Say who can be and who cannot be, so that really regulated the density that there's ten in the neighborhood.
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Or I've actually had been told the whole neighborhood is short term mental.
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There's no way for us to regulate that at this time.
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First aid statues, so when it comes to density, I don't see how we can deal with.
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And still stay under the state stat.
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But you know, I have no problem coming back to you in a year if you want us to do that.
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We look at this and see the good and the bad and move forward and changing modify or whatever you request. So I'm here to answer
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any questions that you may have. Thank you, Randy. Yeah, the state for a very long time did not allow the county's or
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municipalities to have any regulation whatsoever over it. It's only a recent thing and that's why we're considering it today. So
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we are restricted by the state in many ways on what we can and cannot do. Supervisor Humphrey.
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Yeah, Randy.
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I appreciate you very much.
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As you work on creating these ordinances in in your communication with me because it seems as you go through.
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You ask.
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Questions because we're voted and to represent the people of Gila County, so thank you as you go through these.
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To ask questions before you present something to us. I appreciate that and I thank all the time that you and staff have spent in
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creating an ordinance.
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Because it seems like in this, you know, I'm for less government, not more government.
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But it seems in the changing world today we're having, we're having to create ordinances for both animals and people, which a few
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years ago was was unheard of, but as the world changes.
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You know I mean we're having to do ordinances against Elk. Well they can't complain but darn it they got ordinances against them
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to protect the staff and the people of Hilton it. And and so here we are faced with an with an ordinance for Airbnbs and I think
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it I, I, I'm a business person I I think business is great.
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But at what cost for the residents who live around that business, businesses are to to be there to to serve the public not create
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nuisance for the public. So you know where is that fine line and and so there again thank you because you're hitting a lot of
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you're you're dodging a lot of things to try to create ordinances and I and I appreciate that very much and I I would just like to
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say that as we go forward.
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On on these ordinances and and and I'm all for it and and can we change things as we go. Yeah but a lot of our ordinances were
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written 50 years ago or not required 50 years ago so they are now So we have to start and and and we can always make changes but I
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I just want to say thank you very much and as we go forward with new residences in our changing world that that that all of my
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thoughts are for the constituents who live in Hila County full time and and what's best for them.
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As far as phones or Airbnb?
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Feeding the animals. So that's just kind of where I'm at going forward. And I just want to say thank you very, very much for for
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for tackling some of these.
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Difficult situations for the Board. Thank you, Sir. Thank you Supervisor Supervisor Klein. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Randy, let's talk
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about zoning and and what Mr. Boyce is saying in there, so.
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Does the state supersede that as well?
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As far as putting a business in the middle of residential.
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Zone. How does that work?
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The state regulates short term rentals.
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And where basically says you can't stop a short term rental.
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So yes, they regulate that. I'm not going to say they rate then stop someone from putting a liquor store in the neighborhood, but
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short term rentals are regulated by the state and.
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From my understanding.
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Us as far as we can't be more restrictive than what the state says.
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Right.
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And the state says we can't regulate them where they're.
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So yes to the answer.
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You know what I'm trying to say? I don't know. Well, I'm just saying we can't regulate where they go.
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OK. And that?
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As far as short term rentals.
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OK, so.
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No matter.
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Neighborhoods turn into short term rentals or whatever. We have no say one way or another on that.
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Currently.
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Like I said prior, five years ago.
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You couldn't do anything.
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Let's charge our rental. So the states came a long way because.
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I have to say from hearings that I have listened.
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The state's getting hammered just as much as, and a lot of it from the jurisdictions saying how can you come and tell us we can't?
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Help our neigh.
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You know, and so that they've listened.
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This is like I said and this is where they are at.
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I assume.
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State statute will continue.
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Change and modify to address most jurisdictions and people's concerns right in this matter.
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Did that answer your question? It did and I was pretty sure that's where we're headed. But I want you to say it so. But if I was
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to make a guess, there's a chance because we do see that. We see the changing neighborhoods that are turning into.
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Short term rentals and stuff like that. It is a big investment for folks. I mean it's there.
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But in the same sense, you know, we regulate commercial businesses.
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Zones and stuff like that.
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So if I was to make a guess, I'll bet that changes again.
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So OK.
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Then we might be able to really affect a lot of these neighborhoods that are overrun. That's where we could regulate the amount of
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them or whatever. In certain parts maybe, who knows? We'll see what the future will bring. But that's what I wanted Mr. Boyce to
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hear, right there was. I was kind of one of his questions.
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Is. How can we allow that? Well?
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We have no peso in it, basically.
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Yes, Sir.
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So um.
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I'm going to let you take it right now while I think a minute.
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OK. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Any any other comments gentlemen?
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Then I will call for a motion.
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I didn't think he's gonna take it that far.
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I don't mind making the motion, but I don't want to cut you off if I want to say something Supervisor. Client.
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Yeah. Let me say something before you do that. OK. OK. And then you're welcome. OK. OK.
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This I said this earlier and I said it to everybody. This is a very important discussion we're having here today.
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I don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that we've covered every angle of it that we could have or should have to make this decision,
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the decision we're going to make. I I like I said earlier too, I am for an ordinance to help these folks that live in these, these
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neighborhoods and these places. I am for that.
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But I want to make sure we got it right when we do it.
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I guess I would say if if everybody's ready to make a decision, I guess I can.
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But.
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I guess we'll see where it goes. What what usually happens for the seven years I've been in this chair is we have a work session.
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We discussed some things. The next thing we do, we roll it into a meeting and we decide.
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A lot of times that's OK with the with the issues we're dealing with.
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I'm not sure we're covering all of our bases on this.
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I'm not sure that there shouldn't be some more discussion somewhere where we can actually talk. And for those of you and most of
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you sitting in this room probably know it. But I can't talk to this gentleman or that gentleman anywhere except sitting right here
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in this chair.
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That is the only time I can talk to him, The only other way he had to have any kind of discussion or to lean over and ask Mr.
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Humphrey a question what he thinks is inside of a work session.
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That is the only time we can do that.
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And I.
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I don't have the warm, fuzzy feelings that we've answered all those all my questions.
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Right now to make a decision.
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I guess I'm willing to do that if I need be, but.
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I don't know that I'm there yet.
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And I'm, you know, I don't know how to answer every question. I noticed our third public meeting with this.
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We've had two work sessions for.
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This kind of.
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Correction I.
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Heard going forward. Like I said, I have no problem bringing this back in a year and.
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Looking at it and hearing whatever.
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Your eager constituents have said good, bad.
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So I this is, this is your guidance decision, I've just brought back what I was thought I heard. Mr. Chair, if I may. Yes, Randy,
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you're absolutely right. You've listened to us and I think we've all vocalized the same thing. We have to do something.
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Well, I don't think anyone of those three that I've heard has has faltered on that one way or another.
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What I'm telling you today, and everybody that's listening to me right now, was when we do this, I want it to be right.
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You know, because we're going to affect people one way or another, positive and not so positive and whatnot, We're going to do
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that.
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But I want to make sure it's the right way. That's all I'm saying.
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So, Randy, when were you thinking? Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Mr. Chair, yes, I'll move to adopt Ordinance #2023-08.
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OK, we have a motion.
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All right, I'll second it. We have a motion and a second to approve item 3A. All those in favor say aye, Aye.
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I thank you, Randy. Thank you. Moving on.
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Let's start to build some momentum here, if we can.
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Item 4.
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Is that yours? Oh my goodness. Information Discussion. Action to approve adding a new position for a new Full-time Code
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Enforcement Officer to the Community Development Departments Fiscal Year 2024 Budget to facilitate the Permitting and Code
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Enforcement for Vacation Rental and Short Term Rental Ordinance #2023-08 Ready as we've talked in the past.
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Again, good morning, everyone. As we've talked in the past, this is going to take some personnel time to direct this and Mr.
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Menlov has been very supportive of this, but because this current position does not exist in the budget, that's why it's on the.
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Board agenda.
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To address this issue, we would like to hire, be able to hire and start interviewing as soon as we can for this position because I
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know we didn't really address this, but so the ordinance would go into effect, but we're planning on not enforcing this.
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Until the end of.
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So it'll be right before the big season. That'll give us time to get someone on board.
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Address everything, get it going, get it all moving forward.
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And also give everyone else time to get in and and.
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Fill out their forms and all those kind of things too, so we can adopt this and do it correctly as well as we can. So that's why
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I'm asking for this position supervisor, Humphrey.
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I have no discussion.
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A supervisor KLE.
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So we're only going to be looking one position, Randy. That is to start. There is a, I've talked with Mr. Minlove and Mr. O'dresco
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about the opportunity of a second one, but I want to confirm that that's needed. I don't want to just throw people.
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In here to just have people.
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So I want to grow this.
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Efficiently. And if we need a second person, I will probably be putting that in my budget moving forward that that that, if it
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gets adopted, can be done. But I'm currently wanted. I didn't want to wait until June of next year to even start the interview
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process because we'll be behind at that point. So yes, currently I'm only asking for one.
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With the possibility of a second one coming forward.
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After we see what this really entails and how responsive everyone is.
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Mr. Chair, I would like to make a comment because I think there is going to be a necessity for a second hearing officer. And the
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reason being is because light blight is one of my big things and we get hit with a lot of blight cases. And to put any more on our
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existing hearing officer with animal control and blight and things would just bottleneck everything because we're getting a whole
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new environment put into that situation.
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And I do believe to keep from bottling things, we need both of those positions because if we're going to enforce everything
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properly.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Barrel. Carry on so I can finish my yes, go ahead.
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Umm.
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I I read in this.
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We we anticipated like $300,000 of income.
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Out of this ordinance.
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Give or take, Who knows? But that's kind of what we were guessing through our work session. So the thought was, is that is going
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to pay for our our person.
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To do that.
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What are we going to do if it doesn't?
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We're going to tap into general.
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Money to do this or we're going to cut back. How are we going to work this?
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Does does anybody know?
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Maybe Michael does. Good morning, Chairman, members of the board is pretty simple. So we've just upgraded to a new tracking system
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as well which has billing capabilities and and it's making it our staff time much more efficient when it comes to this. So we, we
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understand the first year of this ordinance is going to be the busiest time, right, because that's when we're going to have to
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identify the short term rentals and get them into our system and then after we get that into our system that's going to be
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automated as far as billing goes.
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And then we're going to be just like code enforcement does today, we're going to be complaint based.
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So and then with our new tracking system, we're going to be able to have our staff out in the field.
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Enter all of their documents and documentation that they go out to these properties to investigate out in the field itself. So
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we're making our staff much more efficient. Mr. Manloff has approved the new tracking system about six months ago and we went live
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yesterday. Yesterday we went live with that system, so.
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I'm guessing one person for the first year.
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Maybe two, I don't, I don't see the need for that. Once we get all the data entered into the system. And then each year we'll
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assess how many complaints we're going to be able to pull out, how many complaints, what type of complaints and the time we spent
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on these complaints. So we'll be able to provide that to the board each and every year. And if it does become an issue yet, we
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will happily go to Mr. Board and just present that documentation to you along with the revenue.
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And how much?
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It does, Michael, and thank you. And I really want to thank you to Randy for where you're looking at the first year because it is
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a trial, trial run. And so to jump in there and overload ourselves, I don't see the need to do that.
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I'd really like to say that, you know, we get what we need to get started and see where this goes.
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So I really like your approach to that. So thank you Randy. That's it. Mr. Surprising her free. Did you have any more. Yeah I I I
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wasn't reaching for a second position for code enforcement. I was wasn't it mentioned for a code I mean ordinate a hearing officer
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was that brought up as a as a second person not not an ordinance officer but a.
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A hearing officer, correct. Because if we, you're absolutely right, so.
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Thrown in here too. We're working with public works for hearing officer for them possibly too. So, yes, we're going to be looking
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at strongly trying to find a second hearing officer. OK Yeah. And that's what my support was in, in the hearing officer to keep
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from bottling up our our hearing cases, correct. Yes. OK. Thank you. Thank you, James. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board.
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And looking at the number of units that we have in Gila County at a $250 per unit charge, we are looking at an absolute minimum of
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$200,000.
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Probably in the $300,000 neighborhood of revenue. Now there are those in this room that will test that. I'm a stickler with adding
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new positions.
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In fact, it.
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I say.
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Just because that is the way to ruin our.
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This is a particular position where.
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There will be revenues and I am absolutely 100% sure that'll be over north of 100,200 thousand dollars, The position that we're
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looking to add maximum with benefits and everything.
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Is $75,000 a year. So it'll be a net gain that we can continue to look at hearing officer or something like that as we go forward
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not wanting to jump in and and.
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As much or in excess of what we're planning on revenues.
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This position is essential for us to make this work, to be able to get the businesses, get the short term rentals registered and
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so that we can have them identified, to be able to administer all the things that have been discussed this morning.
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So I am, as Randy has said, been very supportive of this.
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We have to have this to administer the new ordinance that has been.
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Put in place this morning.
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OK, thank you for that input. If there's nothing else gentlemen, I'll call for a motion on for a Mr. Chair. I'll make the motion
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to approve a new position for a full time code enforcement officer to the community development departments for the 24 budget.
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Mr. Chair, I'll 2nd that I have a motion, and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye, aye, aye.
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Motion carries Unanimous item 4B. Thank you, Randy. Information discussion. Action to adopt resolution #23-12-03. Authorizing the
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HeLa County Recorder as the Board of Supervisors designee to designate 2 emergency voting Centers for the 2024 Presidential
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preference election specified in the resolution. Sandy, Joe Bingham and I see you got Darling as well. Yes, good morning, Chairman
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and members of the board. We are bringing this resolution because then ARS 16411.
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E5 He states that the Board of Supervisors can designate emergency voting sites and designate somebody. So in the past the
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recorders office has done the emergency voting because we do hold the voter registration rolls. And so this is just a resolution
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for the upcoming presidential preference election which is held in March. And we would have the emergency voting on the 18th, the
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day before the election.
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Are there any questions? Thank you, Sadie Joe, Supervisor Humphrey. I have no questions. Thank you. Supervisor Klein.
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No, I'm good. Thank you. This is what we've done every year. This is just standard. So if anyones listening this is nothing new or
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different. So thank you Sadie. Joe, with that I'll call for a motion Mr. I moved to adopt resolution.
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23-12-03.
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I'll second it. We have a motion to approve and seconded all those in favor, say aye, aye.
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Thank you. Same to you.
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Item 4C. Information Discussion Action to approve Amendment number one to IGA Contract number Ctr. 059342 with the Arizona
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Department of Health Services in the amount of $37,500 for the period of July 1, 2023 through June 30, 2027.
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To address important public health issues and communities affected by drug addiction and incarceration by working with the Gila
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County Probation.
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And.
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So we have Jay Moyer. Yes, good morning, Chairman, Members of the Board, thank you for this opportunity. Mr. Beck here as well for
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from the Health Department.
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We are requesting the renewal of the Senate bill 1847 IGA between probation and the health department. The IGA is a five year
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agreement.
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With the Arizona Department of Health.
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That was originally signed back in April of 22.
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The original agreement was with the County Health Department for funding under the SB1847, which is the medical marijuana revenue
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stream.
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For the purpose of addressing important public health.
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Issues and communities affected by drug addiction and incarceration.
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Gila County was allocated through $37,500 of the total $5,000,000 based on.
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Proportion to the population.
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Based on the scope of the funding, Mr. O'Driscoll and our former Chief Probation Officer.
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Determine funding would fit probations mission to offer substance abuse treatment and electronic monitoring.
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Services to offenders with substance use disorders and who are facing incarceration.
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Are asking for the agreement to be renewed so the Department of Health Services can issue an updated purchase order for fiscal
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year 24 so that we can utilize those funds for those purposes.
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And Mr. Beck's here for the technical questions, if you have any. Please go ahead, Josh, if you have questions. Yeah, this made
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sense. It's for Justice Reinvestment. So it was a perfect fit for the probation department, even though a lot of these funds are
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starting to come through public health these days. And we made sure to work with Steven Sard on this, and we're happy to work with
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Jay as well. OK, Thank you. Supervisor Humphrey. I have no question. Supervisor Klein, thanks for doing it. Yeah, thank you very
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much. I'll call for a motion.
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Mr. Chair, I'd make the motion to approve Amendment #1 to the Arizona Department of Health Services Intergovernmental Agreement
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contract number.
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Ctr. 059342 in the amount of $37,500 is presented, Mr. Chair, I'll second that a Motion to approve, and 2nd and all those in favor
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say aye.
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Aye aye Motion passes. Thank you very much. Item 4D Information discussion Action to accept FFY. 2024 Governor's Office of Hwy.
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Safety Grant Award.
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In the amount of $10,000 for the period of October 1st, 2023 to September 30th, 2024 that will be used to support Sheriff's Office
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personnel services, overtime and employee related expenses for selective traffic enforcement program speed enforcement activities.
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Good to see you Sarah. Yes, Good morning, Chairman, Members of the Board, this is the annual grant application we put into the
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Governor's office.
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To support our extra enforcement for DUI and speed related.
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Citations throughout Gila County and this year we were awarded $10,000. So with that, I'll take any questions. I have no
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questions. Supervisor Client, thanks for doing this. Sarah, give you some money. So thank you. Thank you, Sarah. With that, I'll
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call for a motion. Mr. I move to accept an FFY 2024 Governor's Office of Hwy. Safety Grant.
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Award Contract #2024-TTS023 and the amount of $10,000 is presented and I'll second it. We have a motion and a second to approve
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all those in favor. Say aye, Aye, aye. Motion passes. Thank you, Sarah. Information Discussion. Action to adopt. Resolution
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#23-12-01. Resolution #23-12-02 Appointing Marin.
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Blythe Belling, financial director as the chief fiscal officer for the Gila County.
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As required by Arizona Revised Statute 41 Dash 1279.07 E to submit the Fiscal Year 2023 and Fiscal Year 2024 expenditure
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limitation reports to the Arizona Auditor General. James, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board, as you just stated in accordance
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with Arizona Revised Statutes.
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Section 41-1279-07.
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The state law requires that the board, who rises, appoint the chief financial officer of the county for reporting of the annual
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expenditure limitation report to the board there, too.
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Ordinances that are requested.
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That you approve today. One is for submitting the annual expenditure limitation for the year ended 2023.
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And the 2nd 123-12 dash.
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02 is for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2024.
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Getting both of those, El.
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Thank you, Supervisor Humphrey.
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I have. I have no questions, just appreciation for Mary.
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Have that ability and being able and willing to to do that.
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Supervisor Klein I'm good. Yeah, man, quite cute. Is this a promotion or just, you know, a title? It's That is what her title is.
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As finance director of the county, she is chief financial officer as part of her title, Regular title.
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This is just a required.
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Specific designation that you are required as a Board of Supervisors by statute to take care of this administrative action.
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Annually. OK, I understand. Thank you. With that I'll call for a motion. Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to adopt resolution
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number 231201 and resolution number 231202. Mr. Carroll, I'll second that motion and.
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Approve all those in favor. Say aye Aye Motion passes Thank you. Item F4F Information Discussion Action to Approve Contract
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Agreement Number ADSP 017 Dash 149774 with CDW Dash G in the amount of.
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$49,939.09 for the purchase of Paris Security software to be billed annually for three one year terms. Harry, Good Morning
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Chairman Christensen and Board members. the IT department would like to purchase the Verona Security Software, the tool designed
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to identify network vulnerabilities and enhance the monitoring of our digital environment. The software is not only a strategic
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asset to managing Auditor General requirements, but also represents an opportunity.
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To optimize our resources, the software will replace one of my open System Administrator positions, defend the solution. I will be
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getting back one of the positions and using the funding from the position.
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Thank you, Kerry. Supervisor Humphrey.
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I guess I just have one question and I think it's great and I'm glad it's before us today, but.
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The county manager can accept anything under 50 and this is under 50. So I mean it's fine but and I appreciate you presenting it
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to us, but that's the only question that I had.
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It's there's a three-year term on it. So it's OK the three-year term. So it would make it.
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OK. Thank you, advisor Clay.
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So Carrie, thank you. But I think one of the one of the really important things is as you guys know, we every year we get hammered
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on cybersecurity in our audits.
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Basically to the point where they stood there and told us there's really nothing we can do to change that's going to be a yearly
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deal, but this is a step in the right direction.
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From what I understand this is a very good system that will help alleviate a lot. Yes Sir, it will alleviate a lot. 1 prime
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example is I was making a change on one of our systems and we had the the temporary solution in place as a test and they called me
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asking me if this change should be made. So they are also monitoring our system and the changes being made. So it's not only us
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being able to pull reports and monitor this with the system, they're also monitoring us to make sure that nothing is trying to
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infiltrate us.
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Right. And so, you know, yeah, I look at it like, yeah, 49,000, but it's more than $49,000, way more than that and so.
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I'm not sure we're totally, totally satisfy our auditors, but maybe a little bit. So it'll help. Thank you, Carrie. You're
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welcome. Yes, thank you, Carrie. So you're cutting a position in order to pay for this. This is not just a want though. This is a
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need.
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Correct. I am. I am trading position for this and it is a want and a need. I think it's a big need for the county to.
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Make us feel at least a little bit more secure, You know, as.
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As Mr. Klein or Mr. Yeah, Mr. Klein said you.
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Alleviate all of them. You know you're you're never going to be able to stop everything, but this will help us.
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Than that. So and this position is an unfilled position. Yes. Yes. OK, thank you. With that I'll call for motion. Mr. Chair, I
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move to approve contract agreement number ADSP 017 Dash 149774 with CDWG in the amount of $49,959 and 0.
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0.09 cents as presented. And I'll second that we have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye, aye, Mr.
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Yes, Sir.
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One other comment about the price that I know that Kerry has worked really hard that when they first came back with a proposed
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contract value is like 6070 thousand so.
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Gotten even better value for this. So that's where it ended up slightly less than 50. Thank you for that, Carrie.
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Every dollar we can save so.
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Item 4G Information Discussion Action to approve the Arizona Department of Health Services Delegation Agreement number AGR
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2023-024, which will allow the Gila County Health Department to conduct local inspection and enforcement activities that are
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designed to reduce.
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The risk of disease transmission to residents and visitors of Gila County. Josh Good morning, Chairman, Christensen Supervisor. So
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the last time that we renewed our delegation agreement with ADHS was in 2017. This is our delegation agreement that supports all
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the food inspections we do. Property maintenance, public health nuisance from the public health side, Children's camp, Campground,
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School health smoke free Arizona.
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Which is why we continue to put the delegation agreement between to the Board and move forward with these.
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Thank you very much, Advisor Humphrey. I have no question. Supervisor Klein. Thank you, Josh. Yes, thank you. With that I'll call
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for motion. Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to approve Arizona Department of Health Services delegation agreement number A
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GR2023-024 is presented. Mr. Terry, I'll 2nd that I have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor, say aye, aye. Thank
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you, Josh. And next we have 4H information discussion action to approve Amendment #7, the contract #019-0444.
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Between the Penal Gila Council for Senior Citizens, Area Agents.
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Agency on Aging, Region 5 and Gila County Community Services Department extending the contract effective July 1st, 2023 to June
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30th, 2024 and adding $156,000 to be used for home repair, renovations and housing services for total contract amount of 257,778
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Haley.
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Good to see you, Chairman, Members of the board.
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This is like you mentioned, this is a contract extension through June 30th of 2024 with a significant increase in funding.
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What's really great about this grant is through penalty like council for senior citizens, we can focus on our our citizens that
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are 60 plus and there's no income requirement for them to qualify for this. They just have to meet the age requirement and there
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is a $4000 cap per household and we can do things like.
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Appliance repair and replacement home repairs and things like that. So it's it's really wonderful for our senior population.
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Hey, Cortana, Supervisor Humphrey.
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Yeah, I I guess the question is who is?
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I guess who is the contractors that you used to spend this money with?
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So this is a little less stringent so we can use more general contractors that are not like my next item that are state certified.
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Very specifically. So this one we do have a little more leniency on as well. OK. My question was which local contractors are would
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you use for this funding, whoever bids on it Really it's just.
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I don't know all of their their names off the top of my head, unfortunately.
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I could get that information. OK. I'll follow up on the next question. Thank you.
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Supervisor client thanks.
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Yes. Thank you, Kaylee. And with that, I'll call for a motion.
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I sure I move to approve Amendment #7 to Contract #019-0444 with.
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But now he'll a counsel for senior citizens.
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Area agency.
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On aging Region 5 to increase the contract in the amount of $156,000 as presented.
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I'll second that we have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye, aye, aye. Kaylee, next item.
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Item I Information Discussion Action to approve Amendment number one to Service Agreement number 062922 with Advantage Home
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Performance Incorporated to extend the term of the contract for one additional year to September 5th, 2024 with a not to exceed
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amount of $546,679.
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Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, this is our first renewal option for our contract with Advantage Whole Performance.
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These contract this contractor is specific to energy efficiency and code improvement for our weatherization assistance program.
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Um, and they are the the only bidder that we had for this and they are state certified.
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Thank you, Kaylee. Supervisor Humphrey.
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OK, so all of this funding needs to go to a BPI certified contractor. All, all, all of that $546,000?
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OK. Then that that's why I was going to follow up because I understand that if they have to be BPI certified and are not, but with
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your program and the funding, I very much would like to.
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Help support all the local contractors that we can with some of the funding that we can use and and be prepared to give me names
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next time you come up with grants. I want to know who it goes to. So I if I know some licensed contractors that it's not going to
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believe me I'll send them to you. Because as a contractor myself I've helped two or three local contractors get their license and
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and and I want some of this money to go to them because.
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They're here. Yeah. It would be wonderful to keep it local, so thank you.
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Supervisor Klein.
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So I don't disagree with.
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Roger Humphrey.
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You know, we've we've thrown those questions out now for seven years.
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You know, and it really gets frustrating that we don't have our local contractors knocking on your door every day.
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For that but.
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You know, because I think I for one, I agree with Tim as I'd like to see it though locally too as well.
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It gets kind of frustrating at times, this Advanced Home Performance Incorporated, They were the only ones that applied to from
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the state.
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Wow. OK. Thank you, Katie.
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Thank you, Kelly.
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With that, I'll call.
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Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to approve Amendment One, number one to service, Agreement number 062922.
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With advantage Home performance with a not to exceed amount of 500 and $546,679 as presented.
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Mr. Chair, I'll second that. OK. In a second to approve all those in favor, say aye, Aye, Aye, Aye.
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And item 4.
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Information Discussion Action to Approve the Administrative Modification number 001 of Cooperative Forest Rd.
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Agreement #20.
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RO 1103 one 200-003 between Heather County and the United States Department of Agriculture Forest Service on our National Forest
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to update the point of contact for the respective parties and authorize the Chairman signature on the agreement we have homeroom.
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Thank you, Chairman. Good morning, Board members.
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This item is rather simple one initiated by the Forest Service. They wanted to make sure that we had the right contacts and the
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agreement.
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On page four of the agreement, you find those names on the part of the county, it's Tom Goodman and myself. On the part of the
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Forest Service is Michelle, Tom and Virginia Carico. That's that's the only change that takes place to this agreement.
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We continue to meet on a regular basis with the Forest Service. I think the contract with them, the same contract requires that we
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meet with them every quarter. We do that. We have an agenda item. We have minutes. We make progress on a lot of the big stuff.
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512 Rd.
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Townside act, for instance, is one of the items that comes up with that on that agenda. In the near future, we're going to turn
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our focus to the roads and when we do, we'll bring that to you at that time.
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With that, I would like to ask your approval to approve the modification to the agreement we have with the Forest Service and the
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chances again that take place are the contacts for each party. Thank you Merrill Supervisor Humphrey.
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Tomorrow. I thank you very much for all that you do and reach for in the meetings and things you have to keep.
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Us in all the activities that you do. So thank you very much.
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Supervised.
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Homeroom. I'm good. Thank you.
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Thank you, Humira. With that, I'll call for a motion. Mr. I move to approve Administrative Modification number 0012, Cooperative
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Forest Rd. Agreement #20-4011, zero three 1200-003 as presented. I'll second that we have a motion and a second to approve all
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those in favor, say aye, aye, aye motion passes don't move. Romero item 4K information discussion action to approve State of
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Arizona contract number.
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Center 066876 with JE4 Hydrology and Geomorphology.
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Incorporated on a time and materials basis in an amount not to exceed $90,000 for maintenance of.
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You get that.
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You're good. No sweat. I thought that was a person.
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For maintenance of the flood alert system in Hewlett County for the period of December 5th, 2023 through July 31st, 2024.
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Thank you, Chairman. This item is about the maintenance of our ring gauges. Back in the Telegraph fire, we hired Judy Fuller to to
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help us maintain some gauges very specific to the fire and some cameras very specific to the fire. Then last year we entered into
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a contract for J Fuller to look at all our Dages. We have 27 gauges and the 27 gauges, 11 of them have flow meters or pressure
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transducers if you will.
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We also maintain several repeaters on some of the mountain heights that we have in the county so that we can transmit with our
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with our ring gauges. We have been maintaining those in a haphazard passion in the past.
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With this contract last year, with the contract that we have, they visited every site, they make the multiple.
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Observations and multiple repairs on many of our gauges and they gave us and part of the package that you have is 100 page report
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on everything they did to every.
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OK. And then making that that report to us, they told us specifically what they measured, what was wrong and what they needed to
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correct that. OK. One of the things that in talking to to Jay Fuller, one of the things that I would like to explore is to have
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some of our team do some of the minor repair and ring gauges. After all they have a a battery that is that that that is fed by a
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solar panel and those two things are both easy to diagnose and easy to repair and.
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Jay Fuller would be happy to have our folks joining them when they go out and make the repair so that in future years we hire them
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for the telemetry.
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The complicated stuff. And we do all the easy stuff ourselves.
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Today we still have some gauges that need some transmitters to be replaced, and we need we have some work on repeaters.
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And in top of that we like for them to go to every gauge one more year, all 27 gauges and that's part of the contract. The $93,000
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in this not to exceed contract includes $50,000 for the maintenance of the 27 gauges to go out to every site and make whatever
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repair is necessary as well as some capital improvements. I'm going to call them capital improvements or big ticket items. That's
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several repeaters and and and multiple transmitters that need to be in these gauges.
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This is part of a statewide rain gauge system and the data will reside with the state as well as with us. It is online. We
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actually, the front page of the county website has a little section at the bottom that rain gauges. It's active. Most of the
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gauges are working, not all of them right now. And you can actually go to each gauge and see what's happened in the last, I think
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3 months.
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But if we wanted to ask for the data for the last couple of years, we can also do that again.
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This is in support of us being prepared for emergencies. We, you know, we've had fires, we've had floods and we've even had
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tornadoes.
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On that particular day, I did go and look to see how much rain we received in the area and from Omaha, NE I was able to get on our
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website and look at those gauges.
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So it's I think many, many counties support this and it's something I think that particularly for Gila County is important and I
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would like to ask your approval of this contract.
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Thank you, Merrill. Supervisor Humphrey. Yeah, one of my first questions was this. Other agencies use this information other than
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Gila County and you answered that by saying it's part of a statewide system.
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Which leads me to another question. In a statewide system, is there any opportunity perhaps for state funding for statewide flood?
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Alert.
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Initially.
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Chairman and Reicher Humphrey. Initially the state helped fund the system, but they haven't funded the system in the past. Yes, we
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actually were using some other miracle for gauges during the Telegraph fire, as probably they were using some of our gauges.
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And just because the gauge is located in Maricopa County doesn't mean that the water doesn't float the Gila County and vice versa.
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So we use gauges that don't belong to us as well when we look at the weather data.
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And we can, we can go back to the state and remind them that this is a statewide organization and in pursuit of some funding from
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them and I'd be happy to do that and because we don't get near enough flood funding. So any little bit might help. Thank you very
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much.
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Thank you Supervisor Klein. Thank you Mr. Chair Homer thank you for the all this I I remember when we put all that into effect
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after that fire as as time goes by are we going to be looking at.
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Switching them around or putting them in different areas or are they just going to remain?
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Kind of where they're at.
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They're really handy to have.
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IT Chairman and I surprised your client. We can move them wherever we want to. As a matter of fact some of them are going to get
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moved a small distance to collect better data as part of this as part of this contract. They have a very specific what To Do List
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that they share with us. It's a recommendation from them and and in every time we move something in the Forest Service, you know
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that there needs to be permitting that's included in here to make sure that they talk to the floor service.
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But yes we need to get as smart as we can on the location of the gauges and the number of gauges. And I'm and I'm here to tell you
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that the 27 gauges we probably.
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We'll find out that we don't need 27 where they're located and we need to just start to take this in this data and convert it to
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information.
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And and and and this gives us the ability to do that where we can focus on that. In the past we wanted to focus on repairing the
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gauges in house.
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And Spencer Manager is doing that and we spun our wheels so much that it took us to Jay Faller during the alert during the
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Telegraph Fire.
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But I think with the data that we get and that the team are starting to use this data, there's a couple of drainage issues that we
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had recently where we went through to see how much did it really rain on that day.
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And I think the whole team is going to get smarter about that and also whether or not and where we need the gauges. That's a good
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point though.
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Thank you, Homer.
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Thank you, Homer. A very vital system that we utilize. So I will call for a motion.
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Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to approve State of Arizona contract number CR 066876.
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The JE Fuller hydrology.
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Yeah, incorporated with a not to exceed amount of 93,000.
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Mr. Chair, I'll second that. We have a motion and a second to approve all those in favor. Say aye, aye, aye, aye.
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If you numero Item L Information Discussion Action to Authorize the Advertisement of Requests for Proposals number 110623 on Call
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Heavy Truck and Equipment Service with a not to exceed amount of $150,000 per year per contract for on call Service.
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Thank you, Chair.
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Oftentimes I've come to the board and we've talked about the contract that we have with with Caterpillar that is a source world
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based contract. It's kind of like a state contract.
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It's something that is bid nationwide and I believe we get a fair price from Caterpillar on that. Recently we bought a generator
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for one of these repeaters that I talked about that's up on Montfort that we need it replaced.
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Because it powers not just the ring gauges, but some of the sheriff telemetry.
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And they were very competitive and actually were the low bidder on that one and I was surprised to find that out. But nonetheless,
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even though Caterpillar is AI think a strategic partner for the county.
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We need competition when we go out to repair equipment. Recently we started up a weekly.
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That shows us that number of heavy equipment that is down and when it's expected to come up. And we have a couple of items that
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were critical for us that we really didn't have an update when somebody thought it would get repaired.
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Both because we couldn't do it in house and and the one single vendor that we had wasn't offering a date to repair. So that
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triggered this, this, this action item to bring to the board something that says can we find other vendors, can we have these
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contracts ready to go, can we can we cover the whole county And not that we would use these vendors to the to the to the not to
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exceed $150,000.
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It's not that we're going to use them all the time, but we need to have some vendors that we can rely on besides a single source
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that we have today. Oftentimes our staff is, is, is our our our fleet services group is, is short staffed.
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They have, they may. They may have half the team or even a third of the team.
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We have vacancies.
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And oftentimes it's think that we could repair, we were fully staffed, but right now we're not fully staffed.
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And so and right now Caterpillar is.
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And so we need to take some action and the action is there's there's to look for multiple sources that we assign one region of the
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county each. We'd like to have three vendors.
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And that we would call the first vendor, it's a cost and convenience contract where we call the first lowest cost vendor. And I
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think can you come out here, they say no, then we go to the next one.
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And the first call would go to the one that's low cost for that region.
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It's something new for us and if it works, we'll of course improve it over time, but it's something, some action that we need to
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take to make us more.
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Reliable in the work that we provide during.
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Routing maintenance as well as emergency maintenance.
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Thank you, Mayoral Supervisor Humphrey. I have no questions.
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So.
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I think this leads in. For me it leads into a bigger issue.
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And that is our mechanics.
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And so.
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When we start looking at needing.
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Not that we want to, but we need to look for outside help in the mechanic field.
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Is there any way we would ever be to the point where we would have our our?
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Own mechanics, trained and available to the extent we need.
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To take this place, that's a good question and soon you'll see a board item come.
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One of the things that that we've been thinking of this at the 40,000 foot level if you will.
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And so one of the conclusions that we came to with something like.
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We wanted to repair an automobile.
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There's probably 20-30 places in this county we can go through to repair for truck today.
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OK. And they would give us good service and it's competitive?
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If we want to repair A10 wheel dump truck.
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There's very few places we can go.
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So the need for mechanics, when we talk about mechanics, Virginia County and probably for many of the rural counties in Arizona,
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is for heavy equipment mechanics.
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So we're going to be bringing to the board a progression plan that takes our entry level mechanics.
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And if they get the proper training and we have the training selected in its nationwide training and it's not something that's
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going to go away.
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They can find their way to being a senior mechanic, but it would require for them to be competent in heavy equipment maintenance.
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And it would be something that's not subject to whether I'm I like the person or don't don't like the person. If they meet these
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these training requirements, they will progress in a in a in a in a number of years to a senior mechanic, both to retain folks as
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well as.
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Interest people in in the job that we have.
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And and that's one of the things that we'll be looking at our team actually.
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Can repair tent wheel dump trucks. They're not caterpillars. OK And talking with with with the team I asked them can we repair
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transmission for A10 wheel dump truck? We can.
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We can do that.
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And we can do that heavy maintenance on tent will done first. So we have the time to do it. That's a different question on
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caterpillars, it's, it's a little different.
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We're not as well equipped to do that, but part of the training is to get them to learn how to do, how to repair a Caterpillar
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equipment. And I know Caterpillar is very jealous with that information and very and holds it, but we can we can find a way to do
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that and that's the purpose of that progression plan.
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That we would like to bring to the board. You know, I look at these figures, I know $150,000 for a year.
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