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A. Information/Discussion regarding Gila County's proposed Townsite Act purchase for the Buckhead Mesa Landfill expansion. (Melanie Mendez)
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3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC: A call to the public is held for public benefit to allow individuals to address the Board of Supervisors on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Board members may not discuss items that are not specifically identified on the agenda. Therefore, pursuant to Arizona Revised Statute §-431.01(H), at the conclusion of an open call to the public, individual members of the Board of Supervisors may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Board, may ask staff to review a matter or may ask that a matter be put on a future agenda for further discussion and decision at a future date.
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	Yeah, this one's good to go, so.	00:00:00
	Good morning, everyone.	00:00:04
	We'll call this meeting together Tuesday, March 26th. It's 10:00.	00:00:06
	And all three supervisors are present and I would like to.	00:00:12
	Have us all stand and.	00:00:17
	Lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:19
	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.	00:00:23
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:31
	OK, well, prayer. Today we have a.	00:00:37
	Sort of a work session.	00:00:41
	And.	00:00:44
	One item.	00:00:47
	Item 2A It's information.	00:00:50
	Yes.	00:00:53
	Who's that? Yes, for the rest, I just wanted to state that I am here, present on the phone. Justice Abelli was the county	00:00:55
	attorneys office.	00:01:00
	Oh, OK. Great. All right. Thank you.	00:01:05
	Information.	00:01:09
	Yeah, thank you. Information discussion regarding Gila County's proposed Town Site Act purchase for the Buckhead Mesa Landfill	00:01:11
	expansion. We have Melanie and Homero here this morning.	00:01:16
	First of all, supervisors as well together and what we're looking for here, we're looking to buy properties mansion and we want to	00:01:51
	get really quick in front of the acreage and what to do with that.	00:02:00
	This is the outline. I like to do that when you see whether.	00:02:14
	We're going through and answer the questions as to what, where, why, when and how. And we're going to listen to the previous	00:02:19
	agency session, the status of the business of national and then I have a timeline of what this kind of looks like.	00:02:25
	The translator is nothing.	00:02:33
	Excuse me a second.	00:02:36
	What's not working?	00:02:38
	We don't need to start over, do we? Do we need to start over?	00:02:46
	OK. So going through the the, the timeline, of course you have the purpose of this recession, the status of the Buckhead Mesa	00:02:49
	landfill and then a timeline that we put together regarding the Townside Act purchase. The Townside Act purchase is a very lengthy	00:02:57
	process. We're looking at anywhere from three to five years and that's considered an expedited Town Side Act purchase.	00:03:05
	And then we have some land use options that not only deal with the Buckhead Mesa landfill, but the roads division and then a	00:03:13
	possibility of other.	00:03:18
	County services being able to utilize this land purchase.	00:03:24
	And then we very lastly, we have the land appraisal and then acquisition cost for all of the land that we're going to talk about.	00:03:29
	So we kind of went over the purpose and um.	00:03:41
	So we just want to provide information to the board regarding the Buckhead Mesa landfill expansion and then how it relates to the	00:03:44
	acquisition of land. We've met before and we've talked about the expansion needs for the peace and landfill and.	00:03:51
	It's under a.	00:04:00
	It's under a Forest Service special use permit. The Forest Service is getting out of the landfill business and they no longer want	00:04:04
	to have landfills on their land. And so they're really encouraging us to purchase the land and then expand the landfill that way.	00:04:11
	And what we're looking at is 100 year landfill. So in the words of my stepfather, if you fill the plan, you plan to fail. So we're	00:04:17
	really looking out in long term and and we're looking at 100 years.	00:04:24
	Part of the purchase is going to include our existing landfill.	00:04:31
	The Lychee ponds, they were leading to the landfill and then the current.	00:04:35
	Road yard material pit that we've been using over the years that's been under that special use permit.	00:04:41
	So those things are required in purchasing the land and then?	00:04:47
	We would be able to buy additional land for the expansion.	00:04:51
	The microphone is working.	00:05:01
	So the status of the Buckhead Mesa landfill, so again we sit on a 51 acre of US Forest Service special use permit. That permit	00:05:04
	expired in 2019, but they're allowing us to continue to pay those fees and use that permit while we undergo the.	00:05:12
	The town side out to purchase.	00:05:21
	We did a fly over in 2022 and it was determined at that time that we have capacity until.	00:05:23
	2032, so that would have been 10 years at the time. It's now 2024, so we're looking at.	00:05:30
	Eight years.	00:05:37
	Of landfill capacity.	00:05:38
	So we and feel free to speak up. This is a work session so.	00:05:41
	Melanie, when you refer to cubic yards and tons, are they the equivalent? They are not the equivalent. I believe it's.	00:05:45
	.6.	00:05:55
	For every cubic yard.	00:05:57
	Has when they calculate into tons. So cubic yards and tons, there's a math problem that you have to do to figure it out. Yeah. And	00:06:00
	you've done that. And so you've calculated 2052, correct. OK.	00:06:06
	We also do fly overs every year and that fluctuates depending on, you know, how much stress we bring in. Sometimes it goes up and	00:06:13
	sometimes it goes down of what we would anticipate bringing in, of course, when we moved trash from.	00:06:20
	Globe over to Buckhead. We probably ate up about 6 months of.	00:06:27
	That those cubic yards, because we're bringing in double the.	00:06:33
	The time edge for that time.	00:06:36
	So our fly over this year would put us at a more accurate capacity rate. So it's, you know, we were at 8 years, now we're at 7	00:06:39
	1/2.	00:06:43
	So looking at this timeline.	00:06:52
	So our very first item is April 24, that's me here today and.	00:06:55
	It says the POS resolution for a correction include the landfill material, pit yard and other county facilities. So we're just	00:07:01
	having this conversation and letting you know what the options are. And then not until September, which is about 6 months from	00:07:07
	now, would we actually need to provide a letter to the Forest Service.	00:07:13
	That would say, OK, this is these are the exact acreages and this is the exact map that we want to purchase.	00:07:19
	Even though the purchase is in about three to five years out, there's a lengthy process. They call it the 52 Step to the Town Side	00:07:26
	act, but there's really 55 and so.	00:07:32
	This is just one of the very.	00:07:39
	Few beginning steps of that 55 step process.	00:07:42
	And then we go through the lands granted in 2025 and then we need to build begin the landfill design.	00:07:46
	Complete the landfill design and then we're hoping to begin construction in 2027.	00:07:54
	Question yes, on complete landfill design.	00:08:01
	Do you have an engineering cost of that design? Yes.	00:08:07
	Yes. And it would be factored into our landfill engineers that we renew yearly. That would be an item that would be on their their	00:08:13
	contract for that income and that would be an.	00:08:19
	In 2025.	00:08:27
	So, yeah, we wouldn't incur that cost till 2025.	00:08:29
	A little bit about the Town Site Act Purchase.	00:08:35
	It was established in 1958 and there was a little.	00:08:40
	OK. So the community values must outweigh the public objective. So anything we were going to do on this land, we would have to let	00:08:47
	them know ahead of time when we do send that letter in September. And then they would say yes or no that they're OK with us doing	00:08:54
	that on the land. And and that would be the purpose of us purchasing that land.	00:09:00
	So, umm.	00:09:07
	We can purchase up to 640 acres.	00:09:08
	And.	00:09:12
	For the landfill, we only need 220, about 220 acres. We have on our acquisition cost of 223 acres, but we can buy up to 640 with	00:09:15
	the Townside Act purchased. And that's why I wanted to come talk to you because there's a lot, there's many more things that we	00:09:22
	can do with this land and there's several areas that are very flat and.	00:09:30
	And conducive to other.	00:09:39
	Activities, Melanie. With that 220 acres in mind, we have 51 acres in existence now.	00:09:41
	So do we have to buy that 51 acres as well? Yes, we do. At the same rate as the rest? Yes. Can that be negotiated?	00:09:48
	It so part of the town Site Act purchases that it has to be purchased for fair market value. So when they did the, we had a	00:09:57
	preliminary appraisal done on the property and they have to view it as there's no Rd. there's no utilities, there's no landfill,	00:10:06
	there's no electricity. So the purchase of that land is probably quite lower than it.	00:10:15
	Would be if they were to take those things into consideration.	00:10:24
	And vice versa. So if it had a Lambda on it, you know there's liability there, but it you know it wouldn't have a road or	00:10:28
	electricity, so and it's a pretty reasonable.	00:10:34
	Dollar amount when we get into the acquisition cost but.	00:10:40
	It's there's only a few appraisers that are qualified to do a Town Site Act appraisal and we were given a list and we used one of	00:10:47
	those appraisers on that list and it's the dollar amount that they came up with. So the dollar amount is 3600 per acre.	00:10:55
	So, but what I'm getting at is we are going to assume the liability for that landfill that is under special use permit.	00:11:03
	Whereas we could cancel the special use permit and walk away and the foresters would have that liability right, we would still be	00:11:10
	under obligation to close the landfill.	00:11:15
	But once a landfill, always a landfill. And So what I'm getting at is, in my opinion, and it's just my opinion, but.	00:11:22
	It seems like with that liability, we're going to take on that 51 acres because we're going to take it. There's no doubt about	00:11:30
	that. But I could see paying at 3600 for the 220, but not for the 51 that's already active.	00:11:36
	You see what I'm saying I do. There's no benefit there for that 51 acre, right, and the acquisition cost for.	00:11:43
	For the property as a whole. So the appraiser, the actual land appraised at 1800 dollars.	00:11:52
	Per acre.	00:11:59
	And then part of the acquisition costs are the UMM.	00:12:01
	All of the environmental studies that we have to do, so we factored that in, in order to split it up through the departments.	00:12:07
	But we wouldn't be doing any environmental testing on.	00:12:14
	The 51 acres, so I mean.	00:12:18
	Kind of. It's only $1800 an acre for that property, but when you do an environmental study, it's.	00:12:22
	For the entire property, and it's one.	00:12:30
	Dollar amount and so we kind of factored it into all of the acres but really no environmental studies are going to be done on the.	00:12:33
	I think to make it real simple in my point of view is that they ought to just sign over the 51 acres to us and then we pay for the	00:12:39
	300 or 220 for a total of 320, right. And I think that they would be happy to do that except for the way that the town side Act	00:12:44
	purchased was written.	00:12:49
	They're not allowed to do it because it's it's based on fair market value and they have.	00:12:57
	All these rolls and rags, where it has to be, it has to be viewed as there. We haven't done anything because we're the ones that	00:13:02
	did it to the land we've had, we have.	00:13:06
	Meetings with them every month and we've actually argued this point and and those were their answers.	00:13:12
	Yeah, it amazes me. They could even come up with a fair market value on that 50.	00:13:20
	Be honest with you, I know. Yeah. And it was established in 1958. So it was like a long time ago where they decided that.	00:13:25
	Yeah, cool.	00:13:33
	So this is a complete list of all 55 steps. I'd say we're probably in the first.	00:13:43
	Four or five, It's really small writing and.	00:13:50
	This process again is going to take three to five years. It's an expediting process and I feel like the department actually has to	00:13:55
	be obsessed with this to keep it going. So we have a Gantt chart where.	00:14:01
	We're taking the 52 steps and put them into milestones to where we're not dropping the ball on anything and it it's.	00:14:08
	It takes a lot of attention and a lot of meetings to make sure that this goes smoothly over the next three to five years. Because	00:14:15
	there are so many steps. A lot of these steps need to be performed by the county, and then a lot of these steps are done by the	00:14:21
	Forest Service.	00:14:26
	OK, so this is the map that we currently have. We're going to make a few revisions to this map.	00:14:37
	We're going to move the property all the way to the highway.	00:14:47
	For this triangle. And then this is kind of where we want your input as well, to let us know what would be feasible for other	00:14:52
	county departments, if that's something that you chose to do. And again, we would want that we need to have that letter to the	00:14:58
	Forest Service by September.	00:15:03
	So some of the land use options for this property are the 100 year landfill a road yard.	00:15:09
	Material pit, so we have an existing material pit and it's just about empty. So we would need a new one and then other county	00:15:16
	services and so that would be.	00:15:20
	Determined by.	00:15:26
	You guys, what the other county services would be?	00:15:28
	I know there was a lot of ideas thrown around.	00:15:33
	Maybe the Sheriff's Department could use it. Or community development. It's flatland.	00:15:38
	I think there's a lot of uses for this area.	00:15:45
	If you look on the map, the red area that has the lines in it, that's all flatland up against the highway and that's where we're	00:15:48
	proposing the other county services would be the the odd shape in the back would be the landfill and.	00:15:55
	That land is flat as well.	00:16:04
	And now the exciting part, the acquisition cost, So these acquisition costs are broke down. So we have our 223 acres for the	00:16:10
	landfill and that's going to last us 100 years.	00:16:16
	Each user has a portion of the road that they would purchase because we need the road to get all the way out to the landfill.	00:16:24
	There's a hearth total, so that's the Highway User User revenue fund. So the roads department could have.	00:16:31
	A road yard, a material pit, and then they would need to purchase their existing material pit that was under the 51.	00:16:39
	Acres.	00:16:46
	Of the special use permit and then I.	00:16:48
	The options for other county services? There's about 172 acres available.	00:16:52
	So part of those acquisition costs, there are some archaeological sites there. We've had several meetings with the Forest Service.	00:17:03
	They brought in their archaeology team and then we had a contractor with us to kind of explain what's going on with those ARK	00:17:10
	sites. And so some of those would need to be remediated and then they would also have meetings with I think it's.	00:17:17
	11 tribes or 13 tribes.	00:17:25
	So they would have to have those meetings and then determine what our course of action would be for those art sites.	00:17:29
	And all of that is, is what you see in the acquisition cost. So we're estimating it would be about double the 1800 in order to get	00:17:36
	all of those testing and remediations done.	00:17:42
	It's a lot, but it's I think it's, I mean I know that it's doable and that we can we can make it happen so.	00:17:52
	This would be the most marvelous landfill in Gila County, yes, Yes, I'm excited. So why are we not going for more than the 200 and	00:17:59
	some acres? Is there a reason other just the cost?	00:18:06
	We did.	00:18:15
	The math to determine what we would need for 100 years and we're really just planning out 100 years for the landfill also the way	00:18:18
	that the landscape is.	00:18:23
	We're using the land that would be most feasible for the landfill and there's a lot of creeks in between those areas. And so	00:18:30
	that's why when you see the map, you see you know this area is flat and and usable and then there's a Creek and then this land	00:18:37
	would be great for landfill. And in order to expand a landfill, it needs to come up to the existing landfill. And if we were to	00:18:44
	put a landfill close to the road then we would be citing a new landfill which is a whole another process that would need 80 like.	00:18:51
	Way more approval. Like there's so many more processes to citing a new landfill than expanding a landfill.	00:19:00
	So the well, the well site, is that part of our purchase or is that going to remain out of?	00:19:08
	The water tank or the water tank, the bottom of the drainage there, there's a well site, yes. So that is part of the purchase. And	00:19:15
	that was one of the reasons that we were really excited about needing to buy that material pit is because we have a natural source	00:19:22
	of water there that we'd be able to use for the road department and dust patrol at the landfill.	00:19:29
	10 How are we going to pay for it?	00:19:37
	So.	00:19:43
	I know how I'm going to paper my portion and her has the funding to to buy their portion as well. We have three to five years for	00:19:48
	other county services and determine what their their budgeting.	00:19:54
	Forecast looks like over the next three to five years and that's really.	00:20:03
	Where you guys come in to find the funding for the other the 172 acres?	00:20:07
	That answer your question? No, That's how we're going to pay for it. It'll it'll come, right. So I think to go back to why we're	00:20:14
	only getting 3:20 and 6:40 is.	00:20:20
	Is in my mind because we are reaching out.	00:20:26
	To that 100 year mark with the 3:20.	00:20:30
	Quite honestly, I won't be around here when it's time to discuss that again, right?	00:20:33
	You know that's up to somebody else, and who knows what will change by then as well. You know where things are going. Also, it's	00:20:37
	the cost.	00:20:41
	You know we'll be looking at a big chunk change to reach out there and get 640.	00:20:45
	And so.	00:20:51
	So I think that's that's one thing we need to consider is that and how much money we can spend and if the three pointing will get	00:20:52
	us.	00:20:56
	That far, I honestly don't know why we would want to think about any further right now.	00:21:00
	It's very logical.	00:21:07
	Yeah, I.	00:21:11
	Unless you can take on a partner.	00:21:13
	For for infrastructure.	00:21:16
	Yeah. And you know the infrastructure pretty good possibility there really. You know, if you could take on a partner and we need	00:21:20
	what we need for 100 years, but we got a chance to get 640 and for service to let us take on a partner.	00:21:26
	Which gives us X amount of acres for a partner for development.	00:21:33
	Because everybody knows we don't.	00:21:38
	Have a lot of living space and.	00:21:41
	But I may be getting a way out of bound.	00:21:44
	Yes, of course, Chairman and board members.	00:21:50
	The reason we're here is that it gets your input and I just wanted to share a couple of points.	00:21:55
	That are pertinent to what we're doing here?	00:22:02
	This is a one time opportunity.	00:22:04
	OK. And it is between Pine strawberry and payment?	00:22:06
	And and there could be an opportunity for the county services and county administration.	00:22:10
	To have some kind of facility out there, it could be a jail, but sheriff, it could be.	00:22:15
	The Road Yard. We could move the road yard from Pine Strawberry into this area, except for instance, and sell that of the property	00:22:21
	that we have in Pine Strawberry.	00:22:25
	So there is not a firm plan for the county services and administration.	00:22:30
	The opposite to that is this is a one time opportunity.	00:22:36
	The work that we go through.	00:22:40
	For staff will be similar whether we buy 320 acres or 640 acres.	00:22:41
	The cost for the environmental assessment.	00:22:47
	Will not necessarily double.	00:22:51
	But it'll be a fraction of the money that we spent for 320. It is up to a certain extent, acre based.	00:22:53
	But it's not entirely A2 base, the cost for E8. The cost for EA, by the way, is an estimate.	00:23:01
	And so we doubled the the estimate of an appraised cost, we double it and we won't know that a that exact cost. So we start	00:23:07
	actually working that particular issue.	00:23:14
	And one of one of the early steps is to do a survey and find out how much archaeological.	00:23:20
	Stuff is in there and then we generally try to gerrymander to stay out of it as much as we can.	00:23:26
	And So what the map that you saw earlier was was you didn't see a rectangle, you saw different shapes and we're trying to stay out	00:23:32
	of.	00:23:35
	Areas that aren't flat, aren't usable, etc. We get a lot of good out of this we there is no landfill operation in.	00:23:39
	Eva County.	00:23:49
	Other than Gila County itself?	00:23:51
	OK. And there is no plan for somebody to come and build a landfill, so if.	00:23:54
	Later on, we have to expand the landfill here in Globe. We may turn it into a transfer station and haul to the patient if it turns	00:24:00
	out to be more feasible than than in buying more property and expanding the landfill here. So this represents an opportunity for	00:24:06
	us to get land at a reasonable cost.	00:24:12
	Granted, it's not in the middle of one town or another. OK. And then the question to the board is?	00:24:19
	What? What? What's your opinion of this opportunity?	00:24:26
	And the so the opportunity to purchase land at a reasonable cost is a good thing.	00:24:32
	But the other thing is.	00:24:38
	This land would have to be used for county purposes.	00:24:40
	A county administration and county services.	00:24:43
	Thing or the things that we talked to the floor service.	00:24:46
	When we stray from that and we ask them what about housing they they say no it's not about housing it's about county services and	00:24:50
	county administration and and I heard something about partners and it can the partners could be a city or a talent OK and cities	00:24:58
	and towns all for gold gold and and we could invite them to someone to partner with us from a city or a town if we wanted to.	00:25:06
	But from what we're working on is county services and county administration type of things.	00:25:15
	The idea of.	00:25:25
	Why do we have to pay for the landfill and for the?	00:25:29
	The material pit that we have there, we posted that question early on.	00:25:35
	And and that's the Torque said you have to pay. That's all there is to it and we can bring it up again.	00:25:39
	One of one of the things about the landfill, though, is we don't walk away.	00:25:44
	From the landfill closure cost.	00:25:50
	Just because if you return that property back to the Forest Service, actually we obtain 2 costs, then one is to close it for the	00:25:53
	agreement that we have with ADEQ, because the agreement is not between the four service and ADEQ, it's between the county and	00:25:59
	ADEQ.	00:26:04
	So we retain the cost.	00:26:10
	And on top of that, we have to return the land to whatever the floor service tells that we have to return it once we're done with	00:26:12
	the special use permit. So we're not walking away from that.	00:26:17
	And and and we did have a debate with him on why we have to buy it, OK.	00:26:22
	So that we were not successful, we can keep trying and we can do it at different levels.	00:26:27
	And more power to us if we can avoid the cost of that. One of the things that that that it's a minimal environmental cost for the	00:26:33
	landfill area. It's already been disturbed and dug 34 feet.	00:26:39
	So we should see almost no cost with that area from an environmental standpoint. I just wanted to share those kind of things to to	00:26:46
	add more to your to your thoughts.	00:26:51
	So if you forget your.	00:26:56
	Home Arrow.	00:26:58
	I don't think you'll ever get away from not paying for that existing landfill. You know, as much as it makes sense that we	00:27:01
	shouldn't, it just should be thrown in on the deal and we're not going to get away from it.	00:27:06
	But.	00:27:11
	On this transaction, this conveyance.	00:27:13
	What if someday in the future?	00:27:18
	25 years from.	00:27:20
	The county decides they don't want in landfill business anymore.	00:27:22
	Would we be able to?	00:27:26
	Lease it? Another company to run it? Put it on contract, out on contract to do it, Or is it always going to have to be?	00:27:28
	The county that has.	00:27:38
	Sole ownership and responsibilities to this.	00:27:40
	That's a good question and I honestly don't know the answer to that. We have to, we have to review that with Matt and the floor	00:27:44
	service.	00:27:48
	A lot of things can change in 25 years exactly.	00:27:54
	And umm.	00:27:58
	That that land will eventually be ours when we buy it.	00:28:00
	But we buy it under the commitment of county services and administrative.	00:28:04
	So we just we just need to run that by.	00:28:09
	Right now get an answer for that.	00:28:12
	Might be similar to Pleasant Valley.	00:28:17
	Well then, but there is a little bit of a difference because we are going to purchase this land.	00:28:20
	Where the vet center is just a straight conveyance, no, no monetary transaction at all. Mr. Chairman, Director is fine.	00:28:25
	As long as it's used for the purposes that we identify can't use for housing, we've already asked that question been identified.	00:28:35
	But.	00:28:43
	As long as it's used for landfill, whether we own and operate and manage the landfill or have somebody else do it.	00:28:45
	I can't imagine that there's going to be too much.	00:28:52
	Too many problems with that will be a problem. I can't either, James, but I'm just saying that might be something we want to	00:28:56
	clarify because.	00:29:00
	I'm not 100% sure on that either. Absolutely.	00:29:04
	Yeah, Supervisor Humphrey.	00:29:10
	My 2 senses.	00:29:13
	Let's get what we need for 100 years.	00:29:15
	And if we fight that dragon, that's probably a good enough fight from where I sit today.	00:29:18
	I you know I got partner and more land and it's like.	00:29:25
	Back up, Tim. Do we can't use it for housing. That's just.	00:29:29
	Let's just try to get done what we need to get done and I appreciate you looking ahead.	00:29:33
	As staff has.	00:29:39
	Because if we've got.	00:29:41
	You know, a few years left.	00:29:43
	And we can get this bought before we run out of room.	00:29:45
	I think that's a great thing because we know what it's like to have trouble with landfills. So I appreciate you looking ahead.	00:29:50
	And so I.	00:29:57
	Pretty much, you know I'm I'm, I'm good with with 100 year landfill. I mean I really AM and I don't see trying to reach further	00:29:59
	than that because.	00:30:04
	Finances and things for more than 100 years.	00:30:09
	We've got a lot of things that we can work.	00:30:12
	That are a little closer to home so.	00:30:15
	I appreciate what you've done and I think what you've.	00:30:18
	Put out and and the fact that.	00:30:21
	You're set up for 100, reaching for 100 years. I'm good with that.	00:30:24
	Chairman and you can verify normally if you have but.	00:30:29
	By my map what they've got told here.	00:30:34
	For the.	00:30:37
	Work works and general county services is 501.	00:30:39
	.4 acres. So it's.	00:30:43
	Pushing up against that 640.	00:30:47
	And having gone out there and walked the site.	00:30:49
	In the in the red area.	00:30:52
	Were identified here.	00:30:54
	And over there for public works and general use.	00:30:57
	Those are really the flat areas. You get into other areas not identified, the topography becomes more difficult to manage and so	00:31:00
	it's really what Melanie and Homer have identified are the usable.	00:31:06
	Portions of that site.	00:31:13
	And to.	00:31:15
	Even at 1600 or 1800 or 3600.	00:31:18
	If it's not usable, it's just not usable.	00:31:22
	And uh.	00:31:25
	So what? None is identified.	00:31:27
	Is what can be functional for the county.	00:31:30
	So I don't know if you can answer this, Melanie, but homeroom can. How many acres do we own in Pine for a road yard?	00:31:34
	I would have to make.	00:31:45
	3 acres, OK, not very much.	00:31:47
	But worth a whole lot.	00:31:54
	Huh.	00:31:56
	It is well, well, with things going on through my mind too is that how active is our Rd. yard and pine right now? I mean we're	00:31:58
	short on staffing up there so.	00:32:03
	Well, I mean how?	00:32:09
	How used is it I guess?	00:32:11
	Now, if they were before, but they're traveling, they're fine, because we're short. We're short handed, but.	00:32:15
	We need to solve the issue of.	00:32:21
	Our positions and our vacancies overtime.	00:32:26
	And we've made a little bit of headway into that, but we need to solve that and I foresee in the future having.	00:32:29
	Folks working on a pine strawberry.	00:32:35
	Again, there's no we have a lot of rope we maintain up there.	00:32:38
	And we're up there all the time.	00:32:43
	And to be more efficient, we need to have our folks have that be their beauty station and not Star Valley.	00:32:44
	And we need to go back to that or closer to it.	00:32:52
	The landfill is halfway that that area, that outside ACT area is halfway.	00:32:55
	It's five, 6-7 miles away from from pine.	00:33:02
	So let me ask you this, Homer. Is this something I'm just throwing out? Ideas. That's all I'm doing.	00:33:04
	But if let's say for example, we were to close the Pine Strawberry Rd. yard.	00:33:10
	Move it to the Buckhead Mesa, would we have the opportunity to put workforce housing on on that site for for our county employees?	00:33:15
	See, that's one of the things. One of the reasons we can't attract anyone is because nobody can afford to live up there.	00:33:25
	Or impatient in general.	00:33:30
	But if in fact we were able to build 3 or 4.	00:33:32
	Units for workforce housing.	00:33:37
	That could solve a huge issue in our department.	00:33:40
	We will again touch that base with Aperture.	00:33:45
	The her best interested in some land out there to purchase some land out there there's first of all there's water. There's a pond.	00:33:50
	We everybody uses that pond for water. The landfill and and the road yards use it.	00:33:56
	We want to continue to utilize the material for rope there and whether we do it on that, on that area that we're digging in right	00:34:03
	now or whether we move over to an area that that we would identify.	00:34:10
	We will still be interested in not just buying the existing material fit, but additional area as well.	00:34:18
	From her, from a her stand.	00:34:26
	It would be beneficial for we could park vehicles there if nothing else.	00:34:29
	But I think there will be the opportunity to move the road yard.	00:34:34
	Into this area in future.	00:34:39
	There's no, there's no reason why we wouldn't be able to do that.	00:34:42
	I think it'd be something to really look at. We are scattered out so bad it's it's just crazy. But but on top of that, you know,	00:34:45
	for the issues that we have for.	00:34:50
	For employees to be able to be up there, housing is the the top of the list.	00:34:56
	And so that would be something, Melanie.	00:35:02
	We talked about money a while ago.	00:35:06
	So when you're looking at us here as a board?	00:35:09
	And on your back.	00:35:13
	Is where I mean the grand total is 1,000,008.	00:35:15
	Right, yes.	00:35:22
	And so you've got how much of that already covered?	00:35:25
	That 800,000.	00:35:30
	And then so 800,000 would be the landfill total?	00:35:32
	That would come out of our.	00:35:35
	Our fund balance from the money that we're able to save over the next three to five years and then the herb total would come out	00:35:39
	of her funds. I checked with finance to see if that's something that's covered under her, if I don't know a whole lot about her,	00:35:44
	but I did.	00:35:49
	Do my due diligence. And they said yes, that that total would be covered by her. OK, so you would.	00:35:55
	You've got about $800,000, little over $800,000 covered out of 1,000,008.	00:36:02
	So we'll be looking at coming up with $1,000,000, roughly 619,000.	00:36:07
	OK, 619,000.	00:36:14
	OK, so.	00:36:17
	I'm just asking this question.	00:36:20
	OK, You guys are an enterprise fund.	00:36:22
	We're going to take 600, six, $100,000 out of whatever to balance that to be able to pay for it.	00:36:25
	So does that mean we lease that back to you and you eventually pay us off that 600,000 or how does that work? You know my my hope	00:36:31
	would be that whichever department.	00:36:36
	Utilize that land, they would pay you back for it. So if the Sheriff's Department wanted to build a jail, that would come out of	00:36:42
	the Sheriff's Department or its community development needed to build a building or if we were able to do the housing that would	00:36:46
	come out of.	00:36:50
	The fund, the her fund, if that's, I don't know if that would be something covered under her, but whatever fund.	00:36:55
	That the roads department would utilize. Yeah. And I, I get that. But right now, presently as we're sitting here talking, we have	00:37:03
	no idea whether another department or whatever would be interested in doing anything. They're all covered right there in Payson,	00:37:09
	although kind of cramped and crowded in places, but overall they're there. So I'm just thinking ahead and throwing this out there.	00:37:15
	Not that I for one, would be worried about $600,000 going towards the landfill because it all goes towards the services of our	00:37:24
	constituents.	00:37:28
	But I know that that sits there. When we do something, we pay.	00:37:33
	Enterprise funds back, We pay our funds back, we balance money, we juggle money, we do all these. So that's why I'm asking if we	00:37:38
	throw in 600,800 thousand, $1,000,000 whatever it is.	00:37:44
	Where is that? Are we just going to do that for one or is it going to be worked out in the future? Because I don't really see any	00:37:52
	departments going out there for a very long time.	00:37:56
	I just don't. And a lot of it is due to the cost of of.	00:38:02
	Infrastructure moving?	00:38:06
	All of that as well. I just and times are kind of getting tougher and tougher. So the landfill doesn't have A use for that	00:38:08
	flatland close to the highway. We saw it as an opportunity. I so Gila County as a whole is only 3% privately owned land. As you	00:38:15
	know. The rest is either mines or it's owned by the Forest Service. I think it's like 2.8 million acres that's owned by the Forest	00:38:21
	Service. And so this would be an opportunity for the county to acquire land.	00:38:27
	Against that 2.8 million acres and but and that's exactly why we're here is to get your input and hear your thoughts because I	00:38:36
	don't know what any other department has as far as funding and so I wanted to put it out there.	00:38:43
	And we haven't contacted any other departments to say, hey, do you need land. I know that you guys have a broad idea of what's	00:38:51
	really going on with Hill County as a whole. So I appreciate that. See, I think overall, there's no doubt we don't want to miss	00:38:56
	the opportunity to get a hold of this land. I think that's first and foremost in my mind.	00:39:02
	We have the opportunity to do this because tomorrow is absolutely right. This is one one shot deal and who knows what will happen	00:39:08
	later down the road, so we don't want to miss that.	00:39:12
	But I'm just throwing that out there. It's like, yeah, I'm sure.	00:39:17
	You know, I'm not speaking for the board, but I'm sure as a county will come up with some way to make this happen.	00:39:21
	But but we need to think about balancing it too. Or or we can just.	00:39:26
	What about later or whatever? I don't know, but so I just wanted to ask you.	00:39:31
	Nominee. Good presentation, so.	00:39:39
	I personally think that we need to do whatever we need to do. So if 303 twenty, whatever it is, we need to get it, we need to buy	00:39:44
	it, we need to act on it, we need to start doing it and.	00:39:50
	All of that we should purchase everything that we feel we need.	00:39:57
	And no more than that.	00:40:02
	Because there's be senseless to purchase a drainage if we can't use it for anything.	00:40:04
	So I know that our material pit up there for Buckhead material.	00:40:09
	Is getting to a point where we may no longer be able to.	00:40:17
	Get more.	00:40:22
	Is this expansion property wise going to include more areas with material?	00:40:24
	Yes.	00:40:31
	And our hope is to be able to excavate material ourselves for the expansion. So part of the expansion hearing globe we paid a	00:40:33
	company to come in. But if we are able to acquire the land before we do our actual construction, we can even pull that material	00:40:40
	out and use it and stockpile it as we go. So there's there's a lot of land there that would be used for a material pit.	00:40:48
	Well, sounds like you've done a lot of planning. So I trust the planning is your presentation is this is the.	00:40:56
	This is what you recommend.	00:41:03
	And you've answered all the questions that I have supervisor hurt for anymore. I'm good.	00:41:05
	I just think well pursue the 3:20 and go on with it and I think all these side board discussions like the road yard and pine and	00:41:13
	strawberry that needs to be looked at as well when we start doing this and.	00:41:18
	Take the money out of that property there and put it into something else. So.	00:41:25
	On that site so, but I I think it's a good plan and it has a lot of options and.	00:41:29
	And I know that we'll be talking about some more.	00:41:34
	You know, Yep, yes Sir.	00:41:37
	I do have a question. You said 320, but.	00:41:41
	By the numbers of the acres, there were over 500 acres total. And then?	00:41:46
	To get the that little slivers over there adjacent to the highways another 20. So we're looking at acquiring about 520 acres.	00:41:52
	Yeah, I I I believe what?	00:42:02
	I believe what?	00:42:05
	Mr. Chairman And the supervisors were saying is that they're not interested in producing additional round that we don't have any	00:42:07
	for at this time, correct. Well, I think was this whole discussion based around the 320, are we talking 64? You got 323.4, a	00:42:13
	hundred and four 5.9 and 172.1 acres identified in this chart like this.	00:42:20
	Which falls to 501.4. There's some, as was stated, there's some a sliver right here adjacent to the highway that we'll go ahead	00:42:28
	and pick up. So we have all that highway print another 20 acres. So that would lead me to believe that we're talking about	00:42:34
	acquiring about 520 acres.	00:42:40
	So I'd want to identify that good point discussion. Good point, James. And if you look at the bottom left hand corner, says	00:42:46
	proposed Buckhead Mason landfill expansion.	00:42:51
	320 acres.	00:42:57
	Underneath that on the agenda item.	00:42:59
	Yeah.	00:43:01
	So the landfill expansion?	00:43:06
	You're right.	00:43:14
	Right here on the bottom of the map of your.	00:43:17
	That's 320 acres.	00:43:22
	OK. And I believe that has it's 320 if you don't factor in the?	00:43:25
	172.	00:43:33
	But that is probably a typo. The whole map is not for here in 20 it's somewhere around 500.	00:43:35
	OK, so we're looking at.	00:43:43
	A little over 500 acres, yes. So the 500 acres, umm.	00:43:45
	Is what totals the $1.8 million.	00:43:51
	OK. OK. And that would include the 100 year landfill, the stuff that we need for the roads department and then that additional 172	00:43:53
	acres that would be used for additional county services if we can get over 500 acres in in on that site for 1.8, I'm all in favor.	00:44:01
	That's just. I mean I'll just make it simple.	00:44:11
	And we'll worry about uses later, but.	00:44:14
	Oh yeah.	00:44:19
	It's probably going to be a little bit more. Like I said, there's a sliver over there again, Jason Highway, so about 520.	00:44:20
	Total acres, yeah. We do want to move the map that triangle over to the highway. So we would have access to the highway for	00:44:28
	whatever services we were to put there. So it would be a few markers here, correct?	00:44:34
	Truck stop. Quick stop.	00:44:41
	Melanie mentioned 52 steps.	00:44:45
	Tom Thie Deck and even though the floor service is very cooperative and they're being very flexible, we submitted a map early on.	00:44:49
	There were 320 acres.	00:44:54
	And that's where the source that was the first map that we and we told them this is just tentative now and they said.	00:44:59
	We'll, we'll start working with this, but you guys have flexibility.	00:45:08
	You want to grow that, or if you want to diminish that?	00:45:12
	But there will come a point in time when they'll say, OK, you got to make up your mind, Healer County, we're going to keep moving	00:45:15
	on the 52 steps and part of the the moving forward is we need to hire the archaeologists to get moving and we need to know whether	00:45:20
	it's 520 acres or 320 acres.	00:45:25
	And and part of what today is.	00:45:30
	To get your guidance on which direction do we think we're headed now, exactly the shape of the map and exactly whether it's 520	00:45:34
	acres.	00:45:37
	We can make it be 500 acres if we want to. We'll shave a little bit off the herb side, will shave a little bit off the General	00:45:42
	Services side. We know we want to be by the highway.	00:45:47
	We want to have highway from that. We know that now. We know where the flat areas are, we've identified them.	00:45:52
	We know where the material fit can be and where the water source is and we've identified that. So but it's not whether it's 520 or	00:45:59
	500 acres, it's whether it's 500 acres or 300 acres.	00:46:05
	OK. That I think that's the question.	00:46:12
	For the board is would you would you rather have more or would you rather have less?	00:46:15
	And with that we can we can make headway with the work that we need to do.	00:46:19
	With the archaeologists.	00:46:24
	For me, Yep. I would say we want them more. Yeah.	00:46:26
	That's just where I'm going. I mean, we may have to reach out there and be kind of creative for the final dollar amount or	00:46:30
	whatever, but but we're not going to get another opportunity like this.	00:46:34
	Whether whether it's.	00:46:40
	Next year, 10 years, we're all sitting here. Not this will be a good thing for the county going forward as far as I can see.	00:46:42
	And so if we can pull that off for 1,000,008 if I learned 20, whatever's on that map.	00:46:48
	I personally am good with that.	00:46:54
	I am as well.	00:46:58
	I am as well unanimous.	00:47:00
	Do you have any questions for us to clear up anything?	00:47:03
	No, I don't. I I I appreciate.	00:47:07
	You explaining that again because I missed that on the map as well, so I'm.	00:47:11
	I'm happy. Well, I'm feeling better that we've got a couple more.	00:47:17
	A couple hundred more acres, yeah, Yeah. I mean, I knew that it was 500, but I I apologize for not making that clear. So we're	00:47:21
	really close to a full section. That's that's good. I like that so.	00:47:28
	And originally we were thinking it was going to be like $10,000 an acre based on what Land's going for. And so when the appraisal,	00:47:34
	appraisal came back, I was pleasantly surprised and I think it's a really good idea.	00:47:40
	So yeah.	00:47:51
	Anything else, guys? No. OK. Thank you, Melanie. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.	00:47:52
	OK. So let's move on to item three call to the public.	00:47:59
	Anyone here in Globe?	00:48:04
	No. Anyone in Payson.	00:48:05
	OK, Cassandra, are we good?	00:48:10
	OK, how many people on YouTube today?	00:48:14
	15 great.	00:48:18
	OK, so let's start with our presentations. Item number 4.	00:48:20
	Let's start with.	00:48:24
	Our County Manager men love after further today, Mr. Chairman.	00:48:27
	OK, Supervisor, hopefully I'm good today. Supervisor Klein, a few things I had.	00:48:30
	Well, we did small county CSA the other night really went well.	00:48:38
	Thanks to Sherry and everyone for putting on that dinner, James. That was really good.	00:48:43
	After that I had a meeting in Young with James and the departments looking at building sites for the vet center. That went well.	00:48:48
	Saturday, last Saturday at Town Hall, there's about 40 to 50 people. We had our County Attorney, Brad Beauchamp, Sadie Bingham and	00:48:57
	Homero was there. And thanks again to all you guys for being there.	00:49:03
	Then I was.	00:49:11
	Asked to to fill in or run for Richard Lund's position on WIR.	00:49:14
	And so I'm going to start, start with that, start working. I already have started working on that and I'll be pursuing that	00:49:21
	position. That's the voting position on WIR. There's two positions, one's non voting and ones voting.	00:49:27
	The way I understand it, in the past they've both been both positions and have been voting, but I'm more interested in the one for	00:49:34
	sure, so I'm going to take that on. I also attended a.	00:49:40
	Coalition.	00:49:47
	Meeting to announce in New Mexico and I was put back in there as Chairman on that that board too so.	00:49:49
	So with that Mr. Chair, that is all I have today. Thank you.	00:49:56
	Thank you for your willingness to serve on the WIR.	00:50:01
	Yeah. Last Thursday after our dinner, we had a regular board meeting with the CSA and Richard was there and had a.	00:50:09
	Fairly emotional and truthful.	00:50:17
	Talk about how he's going to step away and.	00:50:24
	Pursue other things. And so that was good. And so your name did come up in that meeting as a possible nominee.	00:50:28
	OK. And then.	00:50:34
	So last Wednesday I met. Before our dinner. I met with Representative David Cook, David Marshall, Senator David.	00:50:37
	There's a lot of David's over there if Gowan and I rub down this little with Senator Ken Bennett.	00:50:45
	And spoke with Wendy Rogers that night a little bit, so just expressing things that are.	00:50:52
	Concern for our county water issues, different things like that.	00:51:00
	So that was good. We had a good dinner. A lot of compliments on that dinner, so.	00:51:05
	And it was really good. I'm glad to see that we were all there.	00:51:09
	I have planned uh.	00:51:14
	The Northern Heila County preseason fire meeting. It is going to be April 4th and that is for.	00:51:15
	That's by invite only kind of thing for all of our fire.	00:51:23
	Departments, etcetera that need to get together, talk about the upcoming fire season. So.	00:51:29
	I know you generally you're planning on being there, OK, that generally is the way it is and so everyone welcome of course so.	00:51:37
	And that's all I have so.	00:51:47
	If there's nothing else, gentlemen, then I will adjourn the meeting.	00:51:49
	Thank you, Sir.	00:51:55

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	Yeah, this one's good to go, so.	00:00:00
	Good morning, everyone.	00:00:04
	We'll call this meeting together Tuesday, March 26th. It's 10:00.	00:00:06
	And all three supervisors are present and I would like to.	00:00:12
	Have us all stand and.	00:00:17
	Lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:19
	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.	00:00:23
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:31
	OK, well, prayer. Today we have a.	00:00:37
	Sort of a work session.	00:00:41
	And.	00:00:44
	One item.	00:00:47
	Item 2A It's information.	00:00:50
	Yes.	00:00:53
	Who's that? Yes, for the rest, I just wanted to state that I am here, present on the phone. Justice Abelli was the county	00:00:55
	attorneys office.	00:01:00
	Oh, OK. Great. All right. Thank you.	00:01:05
	Information.	00:01:09
	Yeah, thank you. Information discussion regarding Gila County's proposed Town Site Act purchase for the Buckhead Mesa Landfill	00:01:11
	expansion. We have Melanie and Homero here this morning.	00:01:16
	First of all, supervisors as well together and what we're looking for here, we're looking to buy properties mansion and we want to	00:01:51
	get really quick in front of the acreage and what to do with that.	00:02:00
	This is the outline. I like to do that when you see whether.	00:02:14
	We're going through and answer the questions as to what, where, why, when and how. And we're going to listen to the previous	00:02:19
	agency session, the status of the business of national and then I have a timeline of what this kind of looks like.	00:02:25
	The translator is nothing.	00:02:33
	Excuse me a second.	00:02:36
	What's not working?	00:02:38
	We don't need to start over, do we? Do we need to start over?	00:02:46
	OK. So going through the the, the timeline, of course you have the purpose of this recession, the status of the Buckhead Mesa	00:02:49
	landfill and then a timeline that we put together regarding the Townside Act purchase. The Townside Act purchase is a very lengthy	00:02:57
	process. We're looking at anywhere from three to five years and that's considered an expedited Town Side Act purchase.	00:03:05
	And then we have some land use options that not only deal with the Buckhead Mesa landfill, but the roads division and then a	00:03:13
	possibility of other.	00:03:18
	County services being able to utilize this land purchase.	00:03:24
	And then we very lastly, we have the land appraisal and then acquisition cost for all of the land that we're going to talk about.	00:03:29
	So we kind of went over the purpose and um.	00:03:41
	So we just want to provide information to the board regarding the Buckhead Mesa landfill expansion and then how it relates to the	00:03:44
	acquisition of land. We've met before and we've talked about the expansion needs for the peace and landfill and.	00:03:51
	It's under a.	00:04:00
	It's under a Forest Service special use permit. The Forest Service is getting out of the landfill business and they no longer want	00:04:04
	to have landfills on their land. And so they're really encouraging us to purchase the land and then expand the landfill that way.	00:04:11
	And what we're looking at is 100 year landfill. So in the words of my stepfather, if you fill the plan, you plan to fail. So we're	00:04:17
	really looking out in long term and and we're looking at 100 years.	00:04:24
	Part of the purchase is going to include our existing landfill.	00:04:31
	The Lychee ponds, they were leading to the landfill and then the current.	00:04:35
	Road yard material pit that we've been using over the years that's been under that special use permit.	00:04:41
	So those things are required in purchasing the land and then?	00:04:47
	We would be able to buy additional land for the expansion.	00:04:51
	The microphone is working.	00:05:01
	So the status of the Buckhead Mesa landfill, so again we sit on a 51 acre of US Forest Service special use permit. That permit	00:05:04
	expired in 2019, but they're allowing us to continue to pay those fees and use that permit while we undergo the.	00:05:12
	The town side out to purchase.	00:05:21
	We did a fly over in 2022 and it was determined at that time that we have capacity until.	00:05:23
	2032, so that would have been 10 years at the time. It's now 2024, so we're looking at.	00:05:30
	Eight years.	00:05:37
	Of landfill capacity.	00:05:38
	So we and feel free to speak up. This is a work session so.	00:05:41
	Melanie, when you refer to cubic yards and tons, are they the equivalent? They are not the equivalent. I believe it's.	00:05:45
	.6.	00:05:55
	For every cubic yard.	00:05:57
	Has when they calculate into tons. So cubic yards and tons, there's a math problem that you have to do to figure it out. Yeah. And	00:06:00
	you've done that. And so you've calculated 2052, correct. OK.	00:06:06
	We also do fly overs every year and that fluctuates depending on, you know, how much stress we bring in. Sometimes it goes up and	00:06:13
	sometimes it goes down of what we would anticipate bringing in, of course, when we moved trash from.	00:06:20
	Globe over to Buckhead. We probably ate up about 6 months of.	00:06:27
	That those cubic yards, because we're bringing in double the.	00:06:33
	The time edge for that time.	00:06:36
	So our fly over this year would put us at a more accurate capacity rate. So it's, you know, we were at 8 years, now we're at 7	00:06:39
	1/2.	00:06:43
	So looking at this timeline.	00:06:52
	So our very first item is April 24, that's me here today and.	00:06:55
	It says the POS resolution for a correction include the landfill material, pit yard and other county facilities. So we're just	00:07:01
	having this conversation and letting you know what the options are. And then not until September, which is about 6 months from	00:07:07
	now, would we actually need to provide a letter to the Forest Service.	00:07:13
	That would say, OK, this is these are the exact acreages and this is the exact map that we want to purchase.	00:07:19
	Even though the purchase is in about three to five years out, there's a lengthy process. They call it the 52 Step to the Town Side	00:07:26
	act, but there's really 55 and so.	00:07:32
	This is just one of the very.	00:07:39
	Few beginning steps of that 55 step process.	00:07:42
	And then we go through the lands granted in 2025 and then we need to build begin the landfill design.	00:07:46
	Complete the landfill design and then we're hoping to begin construction in 2027.	00:07:54
	Question yes, on complete landfill design.	00:08:01
	Do you have an engineering cost of that design? Yes.	00:08:07
	Yes. And it would be factored into our landfill engineers that we renew yearly. That would be an item that would be on their their	00:08:13
	contract for that income and that would be an.	00:08:19
	In 2025.	00:08:27
	So, yeah, we wouldn't incur that cost till 2025.	00:08:29
	A little bit about the Town Site Act Purchase.	00:08:35
	It was established in 1958 and there was a little.	00:08:40
	OK. So the community values must outweigh the public objective. So anything we were going to do on this land, we would have to let	00:08:47
	them know ahead of time when we do send that letter in September. And then they would say yes or no that they're OK with us doing	00:08:54
	that on the land. And and that would be the purpose of us purchasing that land.	00:09:00
	So, umm.	00:09:07
	We can purchase up to 640 acres.	00:09:08
	And.	00:09:12
	For the landfill, we only need 220, about 220 acres. We have on our acquisition cost of 223 acres, but we can buy up to 640 with	00:09:15
	the Townside Act purchased. And that's why I wanted to come talk to you because there's a lot, there's many more things that we	00:09:22
	can do with this land and there's several areas that are very flat and.	00:09:30
	And conducive to other.	00:09:39
	Activities, Melanie. With that 220 acres in mind, we have 51 acres in existence now.	00:09:41
	So do we have to buy that 51 acres as well? Yes, we do. At the same rate as the rest? Yes. Can that be negotiated?	00:09:48
	It so part of the town Site Act purchases that it has to be purchased for fair market value. So when they did the, we had a	00:09:57
	preliminary appraisal done on the property and they have to view it as there's no Rd. there's no utilities, there's no landfill,	00:10:06
	there's no electricity. So the purchase of that land is probably quite lower than it.	00:10:15
	Would be if they were to take those things into consideration.	00:10:24
	And vice versa. So if it had a Lambda on it, you know there's liability there, but it you know it wouldn't have a road or	00:10:28
	electricity, so and it's a pretty reasonable.	00:10:34
	Dollar amount when we get into the acquisition cost but.	00:10:40
	It's there's only a few appraisers that are qualified to do a Town Site Act appraisal and we were given a list and we used one of	00:10:47
	those appraisers on that list and it's the dollar amount that they came up with. So the dollar amount is 3600 per acre.	00:10:55
	So, but what I'm getting at is we are going to assume the liability for that landfill that is under special use permit.	00:11:03
	Whereas we could cancel the special use permit and walk away and the foresters would have that liability right, we would still be	00:11:10
	under obligation to close the landfill.	00:11:15
	But once a landfill, always a landfill. And So what I'm getting at is, in my opinion, and it's just my opinion, but.	00:11:22
	It seems like with that liability, we're going to take on that 51 acres because we're going to take it. There's no doubt about	00:11:30
	that. But I could see paying at 3600 for the 220, but not for the 51 that's already active.	00:11:36
	You see what I'm saying I do. There's no benefit there for that 51 acre, right, and the acquisition cost for.	00:11:43
	For the property as a whole. So the appraiser, the actual land appraised at 1800 dollars.	00:11:52
	Per acre.	00:11:59
	And then part of the acquisition costs are the UMM.	00:12:01
	All of the environmental studies that we have to do, so we factored that in, in order to split it up through the departments.	00:12:07
	But we wouldn't be doing any environmental testing on.	00:12:14
	The 51 acres, so I mean.	00:12:18
	Kind of. It's only $1800 an acre for that property, but when you do an environmental study, it's.	00:12:22
	For the entire property, and it's one.	00:12:30
	Dollar amount and so we kind of factored it into all of the acres but really no environmental studies are going to be done on the.	00:12:33
	I think to make it real simple in my point of view is that they ought to just sign over the 51 acres to us and then we pay for the	00:12:39
	300 or 220 for a total of 320, right. And I think that they would be happy to do that except for the way that the town side Act	00:12:44
	purchased was written.	00:12:49
	They're not allowed to do it because it's it's based on fair market value and they have.	00:12:57
	All these rolls and rags, where it has to be, it has to be viewed as there. We haven't done anything because we're the ones that	00:13:02
	did it to the land we've had, we have.	00:13:06
	Meetings with them every month and we've actually argued this point and and those were their answers.	00:13:12
	Yeah, it amazes me. They could even come up with a fair market value on that 50.	00:13:20
	Be honest with you, I know. Yeah. And it was established in 1958. So it was like a long time ago where they decided that.	00:13:25
	Yeah, cool.	00:13:33
	So this is a complete list of all 55 steps. I'd say we're probably in the first.	00:13:43
	Four or five, It's really small writing and.	00:13:50
	This process again is going to take three to five years. It's an expediting process and I feel like the department actually has to	00:13:55
	be obsessed with this to keep it going. So we have a Gantt chart where.	00:14:01
	We're taking the 52 steps and put them into milestones to where we're not dropping the ball on anything and it it's.	00:14:08
	It takes a lot of attention and a lot of meetings to make sure that this goes smoothly over the next three to five years. Because	00:14:15
	there are so many steps. A lot of these steps need to be performed by the county, and then a lot of these steps are done by the	00:14:21
	Forest Service.	00:14:26
	OK, so this is the map that we currently have. We're going to make a few revisions to this map.	00:14:37
	We're going to move the property all the way to the highway.	00:14:47
	For this triangle. And then this is kind of where we want your input as well, to let us know what would be feasible for other	00:14:52
	county departments, if that's something that you chose to do. And again, we would want that we need to have that letter to the	00:14:58
	Forest Service by September.	00:15:03
	So some of the land use options for this property are the 100 year landfill a road yard.	00:15:09
	Material pit, so we have an existing material pit and it's just about empty. So we would need a new one and then other county	00:15:16
	services and so that would be.	00:15:20
	Determined by.	00:15:26
	You guys, what the other county services would be?	00:15:28
	I know there was a lot of ideas thrown around.	00:15:33
	Maybe the Sheriff's Department could use it. Or community development. It's flatland.	00:15:38
	I think there's a lot of uses for this area.	00:15:45
	If you look on the map, the red area that has the lines in it, that's all flatland up against the highway and that's where we're	00:15:48
	proposing the other county services would be the the odd shape in the back would be the landfill and.	00:15:55
	That land is flat as well.	00:16:04
	And now the exciting part, the acquisition cost, So these acquisition costs are broke down. So we have our 223 acres for the	00:16:10
	landfill and that's going to last us 100 years.	00:16:16
	Each user has a portion of the road that they would purchase because we need the road to get all the way out to the landfill.	00:16:24
	There's a hearth total, so that's the Highway User User revenue fund. So the roads department could have.	00:16:31
	A road yard, a material pit, and then they would need to purchase their existing material pit that was under the 51.	00:16:39
	Acres.	00:16:46
	Of the special use permit and then I.	00:16:48
	The options for other county services? There's about 172 acres available.	00:16:52
	So part of those acquisition costs, there are some archaeological sites there. We've had several meetings with the Forest Service.	00:17:03
	They brought in their archaeology team and then we had a contractor with us to kind of explain what's going on with those ARK	00:17:10
	sites. And so some of those would need to be remediated and then they would also have meetings with I think it's.	00:17:17
	11 tribes or 13 tribes.	00:17:25
	So they would have to have those meetings and then determine what our course of action would be for those art sites.	00:17:29
	And all of that is, is what you see in the acquisition cost. So we're estimating it would be about double the 1800 in order to get	00:17:36
	all of those testing and remediations done.	00:17:42
	It's a lot, but it's I think it's, I mean I know that it's doable and that we can we can make it happen so.	00:17:52
	This would be the most marvelous landfill in Gila County, yes, Yes, I'm excited. So why are we not going for more than the 200 and	00:17:59
	some acres? Is there a reason other just the cost?	00:18:06
	We did.	00:18:15
	The math to determine what we would need for 100 years and we're really just planning out 100 years for the landfill also the way	00:18:18
	that the landscape is.	00:18:23
	We're using the land that would be most feasible for the landfill and there's a lot of creeks in between those areas. And so	00:18:30
	that's why when you see the map, you see you know this area is flat and and usable and then there's a Creek and then this land	00:18:37
	would be great for landfill. And in order to expand a landfill, it needs to come up to the existing landfill. And if we were to	00:18:44
	put a landfill close to the road then we would be citing a new landfill which is a whole another process that would need 80 like.	00:18:51
	Way more approval. Like there's so many more processes to citing a new landfill than expanding a landfill.	00:19:00
	So the well, the well site, is that part of our purchase or is that going to remain out of?	00:19:08
	The water tank or the water tank, the bottom of the drainage there, there's a well site, yes. So that is part of the purchase. And	00:19:15
	that was one of the reasons that we were really excited about needing to buy that material pit is because we have a natural source	00:19:22
	of water there that we'd be able to use for the road department and dust patrol at the landfill.	00:19:29
	10 How are we going to pay for it?	00:19:37
	So.	00:19:43
	I know how I'm going to paper my portion and her has the funding to to buy their portion as well. We have three to five years for	00:19:48
	other county services and determine what their their budgeting.	00:19:54
	Forecast looks like over the next three to five years and that's really.	00:20:03
	Where you guys come in to find the funding for the other the 172 acres?	00:20:07
	That answer your question? No, That's how we're going to pay for it. It'll it'll come, right. So I think to go back to why we're	00:20:14
	only getting 3:20 and 6:40 is.	00:20:20
	Is in my mind because we are reaching out.	00:20:26
	To that 100 year mark with the 3:20.	00:20:30
	Quite honestly, I won't be around here when it's time to discuss that again, right?	00:20:33
	You know that's up to somebody else, and who knows what will change by then as well. You know where things are going. Also, it's	00:20:37
	the cost.	00:20:41
	You know we'll be looking at a big chunk change to reach out there and get 640.	00:20:45
	And so.	00:20:51
	So I think that's that's one thing we need to consider is that and how much money we can spend and if the three pointing will get	00:20:52
	us.	00:20:56
	That far, I honestly don't know why we would want to think about any further right now.	00:21:00
	It's very logical.	00:21:07
	Yeah, I.	00:21:11
	Unless you can take on a partner.	00:21:13
	For for infrastructure.	00:21:16
	Yeah. And you know the infrastructure pretty good possibility there really. You know, if you could take on a partner and we need	00:21:20
	what we need for 100 years, but we got a chance to get 640 and for service to let us take on a partner.	00:21:26
	Which gives us X amount of acres for a partner for development.	00:21:33
	Because everybody knows we don't.	00:21:38
	Have a lot of living space and.	00:21:41
	But I may be getting a way out of bound.	00:21:44
	Yes, of course, Chairman and board members.	00:21:50
	The reason we're here is that it gets your input and I just wanted to share a couple of points.	00:21:55
	That are pertinent to what we're doing here?	00:22:02
	This is a one time opportunity.	00:22:04
	OK. And it is between Pine strawberry and payment?	00:22:06
	And and there could be an opportunity for the county services and county administration.	00:22:10
	To have some kind of facility out there, it could be a jail, but sheriff, it could be.	00:22:15
	The Road Yard. We could move the road yard from Pine Strawberry into this area, except for instance, and sell that of the property	00:22:21
	that we have in Pine Strawberry.	00:22:25
	So there is not a firm plan for the county services and administration.	00:22:30
	The opposite to that is this is a one time opportunity.	00:22:36
	The work that we go through.	00:22:40
	For staff will be similar whether we buy 320 acres or 640 acres.	00:22:41
	The cost for the environmental assessment.	00:22:47
	Will not necessarily double.	00:22:51
	But it'll be a fraction of the money that we spent for 320. It is up to a certain extent, acre based.	00:22:53
	But it's not entirely A2 base, the cost for E8. The cost for EA, by the way, is an estimate.	00:23:01
	And so we doubled the the estimate of an appraised cost, we double it and we won't know that a that exact cost. So we start	00:23:07
	actually working that particular issue.	00:23:14
	And one of one of the early steps is to do a survey and find out how much archaeological.	00:23:20
	Stuff is in there and then we generally try to gerrymander to stay out of it as much as we can.	00:23:26
	And So what the map that you saw earlier was was you didn't see a rectangle, you saw different shapes and we're trying to stay out	00:23:32
	of.	00:23:35
	Areas that aren't flat, aren't usable, etc. We get a lot of good out of this we there is no landfill operation in.	00:23:39
	Eva County.	00:23:49
	Other than Gila County itself?	00:23:51
	OK. And there is no plan for somebody to come and build a landfill, so if.	00:23:54
	Later on, we have to expand the landfill here in Globe. We may turn it into a transfer station and haul to the patient if it turns	00:24:00
	out to be more feasible than than in buying more property and expanding the landfill here. So this represents an opportunity for	00:24:06
	us to get land at a reasonable cost.	00:24:12
	Granted, it's not in the middle of one town or another. OK. And then the question to the board is?	00:24:19
	What? What? What's your opinion of this opportunity?	00:24:26
	And the so the opportunity to purchase land at a reasonable cost is a good thing.	00:24:32
	But the other thing is.	00:24:38
	This land would have to be used for county purposes.	00:24:40
	A county administration and county services.	00:24:43
	Thing or the things that we talked to the floor service.	00:24:46
	When we stray from that and we ask them what about housing they they say no it's not about housing it's about county services and	00:24:50
	county administration and and I heard something about partners and it can the partners could be a city or a talent OK and cities	00:24:58
	and towns all for gold gold and and we could invite them to someone to partner with us from a city or a town if we wanted to.	00:25:06
	But from what we're working on is county services and county administration type of things.	00:25:15
	The idea of.	00:25:25
	Why do we have to pay for the landfill and for the?	00:25:29
	The material pit that we have there, we posted that question early on.	00:25:35
	And and that's the Torque said you have to pay. That's all there is to it and we can bring it up again.	00:25:39
	One of one of the things about the landfill, though, is we don't walk away.	00:25:44
	From the landfill closure cost.	00:25:50
	Just because if you return that property back to the Forest Service, actually we obtain 2 costs, then one is to close it for the	00:25:53
	agreement that we have with ADEQ, because the agreement is not between the four service and ADEQ, it's between the county and	00:25:59
	ADEQ.	00:26:04
	So we retain the cost.	00:26:10
	And on top of that, we have to return the land to whatever the floor service tells that we have to return it once we're done with	00:26:12
	the special use permit. So we're not walking away from that.	00:26:17
	And and and we did have a debate with him on why we have to buy it, OK.	00:26:22
	So that we were not successful, we can keep trying and we can do it at different levels.	00:26:27
	And more power to us if we can avoid the cost of that. One of the things that that that it's a minimal environmental cost for the	00:26:33
	landfill area. It's already been disturbed and dug 34 feet.	00:26:39
	So we should see almost no cost with that area from an environmental standpoint. I just wanted to share those kind of things to to	00:26:46
	add more to your to your thoughts.	00:26:51
	So if you forget your.	00:26:56
	Home Arrow.	00:26:58
	I don't think you'll ever get away from not paying for that existing landfill. You know, as much as it makes sense that we	00:27:01
	shouldn't, it just should be thrown in on the deal and we're not going to get away from it.	00:27:06
	But.	00:27:11
	On this transaction, this conveyance.	00:27:13
	What if someday in the future?	00:27:18
	25 years from.	00:27:20
	The county decides they don't want in landfill business anymore.	00:27:22
	Would we be able to?	00:27:26
	Lease it? Another company to run it? Put it on contract, out on contract to do it, Or is it always going to have to be?	00:27:28
	The county that has.	00:27:38
	Sole ownership and responsibilities to this.	00:27:40
	That's a good question and I honestly don't know the answer to that. We have to, we have to review that with Matt and the floor	00:27:44
	service.	00:27:48
	A lot of things can change in 25 years exactly.	00:27:54
	And umm.	00:27:58
	That that land will eventually be ours when we buy it.	00:28:00
	But we buy it under the commitment of county services and administrative.	00:28:04
	So we just we just need to run that by.	00:28:09
	Right now get an answer for that.	00:28:12
	Might be similar to Pleasant Valley.	00:28:17
	Well then, but there is a little bit of a difference because we are going to purchase this land.	00:28:20
	Where the vet center is just a straight conveyance, no, no monetary transaction at all. Mr. Chairman, Director is fine.	00:28:25
	As long as it's used for the purposes that we identify can't use for housing, we've already asked that question been identified.	00:28:35
	But.	00:28:43
	As long as it's used for landfill, whether we own and operate and manage the landfill or have somebody else do it.	00:28:45
	I can't imagine that there's going to be too much.	00:28:52
	Too many problems with that will be a problem. I can't either, James, but I'm just saying that might be something we want to	00:28:56
	clarify because.	00:29:00
	I'm not 100% sure on that either. Absolutely.	00:29:04
	Yeah, Supervisor Humphrey.	00:29:10
	My 2 senses.	00:29:13
	Let's get what we need for 100 years.	00:29:15
	And if we fight that dragon, that's probably a good enough fight from where I sit today.	00:29:18
	I you know I got partner and more land and it's like.	00:29:25
	Back up, Tim. Do we can't use it for housing. That's just.	00:29:29
	Let's just try to get done what we need to get done and I appreciate you looking ahead.	00:29:33
	As staff has.	00:29:39
	Because if we've got.	00:29:41
	You know, a few years left.	00:29:43
	And we can get this bought before we run out of room.	00:29:45
	I think that's a great thing because we know what it's like to have trouble with landfills. So I appreciate you looking ahead.	00:29:50
	And so I.	00:29:57
	Pretty much, you know I'm I'm, I'm good with with 100 year landfill. I mean I really AM and I don't see trying to reach further	00:29:59
	than that because.	00:30:04
	Finances and things for more than 100 years.	00:30:09
	We've got a lot of things that we can work.	00:30:12
	That are a little closer to home so.	00:30:15
	I appreciate what you've done and I think what you've.	00:30:18
	Put out and and the fact that.	00:30:21
	You're set up for 100, reaching for 100 years. I'm good with that.	00:30:24
	Chairman and you can verify normally if you have but.	00:30:29
	By my map what they've got told here.	00:30:34
	For the.	00:30:37
	Work works and general county services is 501.	00:30:39
	.4 acres. So it's.	00:30:43
	Pushing up against that 640.	00:30:47
	And having gone out there and walked the site.	00:30:49
	In the in the red area.	00:30:52
	Were identified here.	00:30:54
	And over there for public works and general use.	00:30:57
	Those are really the flat areas. You get into other areas not identified, the topography becomes more difficult to manage and so	00:31:00
	it's really what Melanie and Homer have identified are the usable.	00:31:06
	Portions of that site.	00:31:13
	And to.	00:31:15
	Even at 1600 or 1800 or 3600.	00:31:18
	If it's not usable, it's just not usable.	00:31:22
	And uh.	00:31:25
	So what? None is identified.	00:31:27
	Is what can be functional for the county.	00:31:30
	So I don't know if you can answer this, Melanie, but homeroom can. How many acres do we own in Pine for a road yard?	00:31:34
	I would have to make.	00:31:45
	3 acres, OK, not very much.	00:31:47
	But worth a whole lot.	00:31:54
	Huh.	00:31:56
	It is well, well, with things going on through my mind too is that how active is our Rd. yard and pine right now? I mean we're	00:31:58
	short on staffing up there so.	00:32:03
	Well, I mean how?	00:32:09
	How used is it I guess?	00:32:11
	Now, if they were before, but they're traveling, they're fine, because we're short. We're short handed, but.	00:32:15
	We need to solve the issue of.	00:32:21
	Our positions and our vacancies overtime.	00:32:26
	And we've made a little bit of headway into that, but we need to solve that and I foresee in the future having.	00:32:29
	Folks working on a pine strawberry.	00:32:35
	Again, there's no we have a lot of rope we maintain up there.	00:32:38
	And we're up there all the time.	00:32:43
	And to be more efficient, we need to have our folks have that be their beauty station and not Star Valley.	00:32:44
	And we need to go back to that or closer to it.	00:32:52
	The landfill is halfway that that area, that outside ACT area is halfway.	00:32:55
	It's five, 6-7 miles away from from pine.	00:33:02
	So let me ask you this, Homer. Is this something I'm just throwing out? Ideas. That's all I'm doing.	00:33:04
	But if let's say for example, we were to close the Pine Strawberry Rd. yard.	00:33:10
	Move it to the Buckhead Mesa, would we have the opportunity to put workforce housing on on that site for for our county employees?	00:33:15
	See, that's one of the things. One of the reasons we can't attract anyone is because nobody can afford to live up there.	00:33:25
	Or impatient in general.	00:33:30
	But if in fact we were able to build 3 or 4.	00:33:32
	Units for workforce housing.	00:33:37
	That could solve a huge issue in our department.	00:33:40
	We will again touch that base with Aperture.	00:33:45
	The her best interested in some land out there to purchase some land out there there's first of all there's water. There's a pond.	00:33:50
	We everybody uses that pond for water. The landfill and and the road yards use it.	00:33:56
	We want to continue to utilize the material for rope there and whether we do it on that, on that area that we're digging in right	00:34:03
	now or whether we move over to an area that that we would identify.	00:34:10
	We will still be interested in not just buying the existing material fit, but additional area as well.	00:34:18
	From her, from a her stand.	00:34:26
	It would be beneficial for we could park vehicles there if nothing else.	00:34:29
	But I think there will be the opportunity to move the road yard.	00:34:34
	Into this area in future.	00:34:39
	There's no, there's no reason why we wouldn't be able to do that.	00:34:42
	I think it'd be something to really look at. We are scattered out so bad it's it's just crazy. But but on top of that, you know,	00:34:45
	for the issues that we have for.	00:34:50
	For employees to be able to be up there, housing is the the top of the list.	00:34:56
	And so that would be something, Melanie.	00:35:02
	We talked about money a while ago.	00:35:06
	So when you're looking at us here as a board?	00:35:09
	And on your back.	00:35:13
	Is where I mean the grand total is 1,000,008.	00:35:15
	Right, yes.	00:35:22
	And so you've got how much of that already covered?	00:35:25
	That 800,000.	00:35:30
	And then so 800,000 would be the landfill total?	00:35:32
	That would come out of our.	00:35:35
	Our fund balance from the money that we're able to save over the next three to five years and then the herb total would come out	00:35:39
	of her funds. I checked with finance to see if that's something that's covered under her, if I don't know a whole lot about her,	00:35:44
	but I did.	00:35:49
	Do my due diligence. And they said yes, that that total would be covered by her. OK, so you would.	00:35:55
	You've got about $800,000, little over $800,000 covered out of 1,000,008.	00:36:02
	So we'll be looking at coming up with $1,000,000, roughly 619,000.	00:36:07
	OK, 619,000.	00:36:14
	OK, so.	00:36:17
	I'm just asking this question.	00:36:20
	OK, You guys are an enterprise fund.	00:36:22
	We're going to take 600, six, $100,000 out of whatever to balance that to be able to pay for it.	00:36:25
	So does that mean we lease that back to you and you eventually pay us off that 600,000 or how does that work? You know my my hope	00:36:31
	would be that whichever department.	00:36:36
	Utilize that land, they would pay you back for it. So if the Sheriff's Department wanted to build a jail, that would come out of	00:36:42
	the Sheriff's Department or its community development needed to build a building or if we were able to do the housing that would	00:36:46
	come out of.	00:36:50
	The fund, the her fund, if that's, I don't know if that would be something covered under her, but whatever fund.	00:36:55
	That the roads department would utilize. Yeah. And I, I get that. But right now, presently as we're sitting here talking, we have	00:37:03
	no idea whether another department or whatever would be interested in doing anything. They're all covered right there in Payson,	00:37:09
	although kind of cramped and crowded in places, but overall they're there. So I'm just thinking ahead and throwing this out there.	00:37:15
	Not that I for one, would be worried about $600,000 going towards the landfill because it all goes towards the services of our	00:37:24
	constituents.	00:37:28
	But I know that that sits there. When we do something, we pay.	00:37:33
	Enterprise funds back, We pay our funds back, we balance money, we juggle money, we do all these. So that's why I'm asking if we	00:37:38
	throw in 600,800 thousand, $1,000,000 whatever it is.	00:37:44
	Where is that? Are we just going to do that for one or is it going to be worked out in the future? Because I don't really see any	00:37:52
	departments going out there for a very long time.	00:37:56
	I just don't. And a lot of it is due to the cost of of.	00:38:02
	Infrastructure moving?	00:38:06
	All of that as well. I just and times are kind of getting tougher and tougher. So the landfill doesn't have A use for that	00:38:08
	flatland close to the highway. We saw it as an opportunity. I so Gila County as a whole is only 3% privately owned land. As you	00:38:15
	know. The rest is either mines or it's owned by the Forest Service. I think it's like 2.8 million acres that's owned by the Forest	00:38:21
	Service. And so this would be an opportunity for the county to acquire land.	00:38:27
	Against that 2.8 million acres and but and that's exactly why we're here is to get your input and hear your thoughts because I	00:38:36
	don't know what any other department has as far as funding and so I wanted to put it out there.	00:38:43
	And we haven't contacted any other departments to say, hey, do you need land. I know that you guys have a broad idea of what's	00:38:51
	really going on with Hill County as a whole. So I appreciate that. See, I think overall, there's no doubt we don't want to miss	00:38:56
	the opportunity to get a hold of this land. I think that's first and foremost in my mind.	00:39:02
	We have the opportunity to do this because tomorrow is absolutely right. This is one one shot deal and who knows what will happen	00:39:08
	later down the road, so we don't want to miss that.	00:39:12
	But I'm just throwing that out there. It's like, yeah, I'm sure.	00:39:17
	You know, I'm not speaking for the board, but I'm sure as a county will come up with some way to make this happen.	00:39:21
	But but we need to think about balancing it too. Or or we can just.	00:39:26
	What about later or whatever? I don't know, but so I just wanted to ask you.	00:39:31
	Nominee. Good presentation, so.	00:39:39
	I personally think that we need to do whatever we need to do. So if 303 twenty, whatever it is, we need to get it, we need to buy	00:39:44
	it, we need to act on it, we need to start doing it and.	00:39:50
	All of that we should purchase everything that we feel we need.	00:39:57
	And no more than that.	00:40:02
	Because there's be senseless to purchase a drainage if we can't use it for anything.	00:40:04
	So I know that our material pit up there for Buckhead material.	00:40:09
	Is getting to a point where we may no longer be able to.	00:40:17
	Get more.	00:40:22
	Is this expansion property wise going to include more areas with material?	00:40:24
	Yes.	00:40:31
	And our hope is to be able to excavate material ourselves for the expansion. So part of the expansion hearing globe we paid a	00:40:33
	company to come in. But if we are able to acquire the land before we do our actual construction, we can even pull that material	00:40:40
	out and use it and stockpile it as we go. So there's there's a lot of land there that would be used for a material pit.	00:40:48
	Well, sounds like you've done a lot of planning. So I trust the planning is your presentation is this is the.	00:40:56
	This is what you recommend.	00:41:03
	And you've answered all the questions that I have supervisor hurt for anymore. I'm good.	00:41:05
	I just think well pursue the 3:20 and go on with it and I think all these side board discussions like the road yard and pine and	00:41:13
	strawberry that needs to be looked at as well when we start doing this and.	00:41:18
	Take the money out of that property there and put it into something else. So.	00:41:25
	On that site so, but I I think it's a good plan and it has a lot of options and.	00:41:29
	And I know that we'll be talking about some more.	00:41:34
	You know, Yep, yes Sir.	00:41:37
	I do have a question. You said 320, but.	00:41:41
	By the numbers of the acres, there were over 500 acres total. And then?	00:41:46
	To get the that little slivers over there adjacent to the highways another 20. So we're looking at acquiring about 520 acres.	00:41:52
	Yeah, I I I believe what?	00:42:02
	I believe what?	00:42:05
	Mr. Chairman And the supervisors were saying is that they're not interested in producing additional round that we don't have any	00:42:07
	for at this time, correct. Well, I think was this whole discussion based around the 320, are we talking 64? You got 323.4, a	00:42:13
	hundred and four 5.9 and 172.1 acres identified in this chart like this.	00:42:20
	Which falls to 501.4. There's some, as was stated, there's some a sliver right here adjacent to the highway that we'll go ahead	00:42:28
	and pick up. So we have all that highway print another 20 acres. So that would lead me to believe that we're talking about	00:42:34
	acquiring about 520 acres.	00:42:40
	So I'd want to identify that good point discussion. Good point, James. And if you look at the bottom left hand corner, says	00:42:46
	proposed Buckhead Mason landfill expansion.	00:42:51
	320 acres.	00:42:57
	Underneath that on the agenda item.	00:42:59
	Yeah.	00:43:01
	So the landfill expansion?	00:43:06
	You're right.	00:43:14
	Right here on the bottom of the map of your.	00:43:17
	That's 320 acres.	00:43:22
	OK. And I believe that has it's 320 if you don't factor in the?	00:43:25
	172.	00:43:33
	But that is probably a typo. The whole map is not for here in 20 it's somewhere around 500.	00:43:35
	OK, so we're looking at.	00:43:43
	A little over 500 acres, yes. So the 500 acres, umm.	00:43:45
	Is what totals the $1.8 million.	00:43:51
	OK. OK. And that would include the 100 year landfill, the stuff that we need for the roads department and then that additional 172	00:43:53
	acres that would be used for additional county services if we can get over 500 acres in in on that site for 1.8, I'm all in favor.	00:44:01
	That's just. I mean I'll just make it simple.	00:44:11
	And we'll worry about uses later, but.	00:44:14
	Oh yeah.	00:44:19
	It's probably going to be a little bit more. Like I said, there's a sliver over there again, Jason Highway, so about 520.	00:44:20
	Total acres, yeah. We do want to move the map that triangle over to the highway. So we would have access to the highway for	00:44:28
	whatever services we were to put there. So it would be a few markers here, correct?	00:44:34
	Truck stop. Quick stop.	00:44:41
	Melanie mentioned 52 steps.	00:44:45
	Tom Thie Deck and even though the floor service is very cooperative and they're being very flexible, we submitted a map early on.	00:44:49
	There were 320 acres.	00:44:54
	And that's where the source that was the first map that we and we told them this is just tentative now and they said.	00:44:59
	We'll, we'll start working with this, but you guys have flexibility.	00:45:08
	You want to grow that, or if you want to diminish that?	00:45:12
	But there will come a point in time when they'll say, OK, you got to make up your mind, Healer County, we're going to keep moving	00:45:15
	on the 52 steps and part of the the moving forward is we need to hire the archaeologists to get moving and we need to know whether	00:45:20
	it's 520 acres or 320 acres.	00:45:25
	And and part of what today is.	00:45:30
	To get your guidance on which direction do we think we're headed now, exactly the shape of the map and exactly whether it's 520	00:45:34
	acres.	00:45:37
	We can make it be 500 acres if we want to. We'll shave a little bit off the herb side, will shave a little bit off the General	00:45:42
	Services side. We know we want to be by the highway.	00:45:47
	We want to have highway from that. We know that now. We know where the flat areas are, we've identified them.	00:45:52
	We know where the material fit can be and where the water source is and we've identified that. So but it's not whether it's 520 or	00:45:59
	500 acres, it's whether it's 500 acres or 300 acres.	00:46:05
	OK. That I think that's the question.	00:46:12
	For the board is would you would you rather have more or would you rather have less?	00:46:15
	And with that we can we can make headway with the work that we need to do.	00:46:19
	With the archaeologists.	00:46:24
	For me, Yep. I would say we want them more. Yeah.	00:46:26
	That's just where I'm going. I mean, we may have to reach out there and be kind of creative for the final dollar amount or	00:46:30
	whatever, but but we're not going to get another opportunity like this.	00:46:34
	Whether whether it's.	00:46:40
	Next year, 10 years, we're all sitting here. Not this will be a good thing for the county going forward as far as I can see.	00:46:42
	And so if we can pull that off for 1,000,008 if I learned 20, whatever's on that map.	00:46:48
	I personally am good with that.	00:46:54
	I am as well.	00:46:58
	I am as well unanimous.	00:47:00
	Do you have any questions for us to clear up anything?	00:47:03
	No, I don't. I I I appreciate.	00:47:07
	You explaining that again because I missed that on the map as well, so I'm.	00:47:11
	I'm happy. Well, I'm feeling better that we've got a couple more.	00:47:17
	A couple hundred more acres, yeah, Yeah. I mean, I knew that it was 500, but I I apologize for not making that clear. So we're	00:47:21
	really close to a full section. That's that's good. I like that so.	00:47:28
	And originally we were thinking it was going to be like $10,000 an acre based on what Land's going for. And so when the appraisal,	00:47:34
	appraisal came back, I was pleasantly surprised and I think it's a really good idea.	00:47:40
	So yeah.	00:47:51
	Anything else, guys? No. OK. Thank you, Melanie. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.	00:47:52
	OK. So let's move on to item three call to the public.	00:47:59
	Anyone here in Globe?	00:48:04
	No. Anyone in Payson.	00:48:05
	OK, Cassandra, are we good?	00:48:10
	OK, how many people on YouTube today?	00:48:14
	15 great.	00:48:18
	OK, so let's start with our presentations. Item number 4.	00:48:20
	Let's start with.	00:48:24
	Our County Manager men love after further today, Mr. Chairman.	00:48:27
	OK, Supervisor, hopefully I'm good today. Supervisor Klein, a few things I had.	00:48:30
	Well, we did small county CSA the other night really went well.	00:48:38
	Thanks to Sherry and everyone for putting on that dinner, James. That was really good.	00:48:43
	After that I had a meeting in Young with James and the departments looking at building sites for the vet center. That went well.	00:48:48
	Saturday, last Saturday at Town Hall, there's about 40 to 50 people. We had our County Attorney, Brad Beauchamp, Sadie Bingham and	00:48:57
	Homero was there. And thanks again to all you guys for being there.	00:49:03
	Then I was.	00:49:11
	Asked to to fill in or run for Richard Lund's position on WIR.	00:49:14
	And so I'm going to start, start with that, start working. I already have started working on that and I'll be pursuing that	00:49:21
	position. That's the voting position on WIR. There's two positions, one's non voting and ones voting.	00:49:27
	The way I understand it, in the past they've both been both positions and have been voting, but I'm more interested in the one for	00:49:34
	sure, so I'm going to take that on. I also attended a.	00:49:40
	Coalition.	00:49:47
	Meeting to announce in New Mexico and I was put back in there as Chairman on that that board too so.	00:49:49
	So with that Mr. Chair, that is all I have today. Thank you.	00:49:56
	Thank you for your willingness to serve on the WIR.	00:50:01
	Yeah. Last Thursday after our dinner, we had a regular board meeting with the CSA and Richard was there and had a.	00:50:09
	Fairly emotional and truthful.	00:50:17
	Talk about how he's going to step away and.	00:50:24
	Pursue other things. And so that was good. And so your name did come up in that meeting as a possible nominee.	00:50:28
	OK. And then.	00:50:34
	So last Wednesday I met. Before our dinner. I met with Representative David Cook, David Marshall, Senator David.	00:50:37
	There's a lot of David's over there if Gowan and I rub down this little with Senator Ken Bennett.	00:50:45
	And spoke with Wendy Rogers that night a little bit, so just expressing things that are.	00:50:52
	Concern for our county water issues, different things like that.	00:51:00
	So that was good. We had a good dinner. A lot of compliments on that dinner, so.	00:51:05
	And it was really good. I'm glad to see that we were all there.	00:51:09
	I have planned uh.	00:51:14
	The Northern Heila County preseason fire meeting. It is going to be April 4th and that is for.	00:51:15
	That's by invite only kind of thing for all of our fire.	00:51:23
	Departments, etcetera that need to get together, talk about the upcoming fire season. So.	00:51:29
	I know you generally you're planning on being there, OK, that generally is the way it is and so everyone welcome of course so.	00:51:37
	And that's all I have so.	00:51:47
	If there's nothing else, gentlemen, then I will adjourn the meeting.	00:51:49
	Thank you, Sir.	00:51:55