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  • A. Information/Discussion/Action to adopt Proclamation No.24-02 proclaiming proclaiming Mayt -h as Youth Week in Gila County. (Stephen Christensen)
  • B. Information/Discussion/Action to adopt Proclamation No.24-03 proclaiming April24 as Fair Housing Month in Gila County.  (Josh Beck)
  • C. Information/Discussion regarding the Intergovernmental Agreement (No.072022) that is between Gila County and the Gila County Provisional Community College District. (Jan Brocker)
  • D. Information/Discussion regarding Ordinance No.23-08 - Vacation Rental and Short-Term Rental Uses, which was adopted by the Gila County Board of Supervisors on December23. (Michael O'Driscoll)
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Centers together. 00:00:01
And I'm going to ask my wife, Karen, to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:04
Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:13
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:19
Thank you. 00:00:27
OK. So we have a lot on the agenda today and we have a lot participating in in a lot of folks that are interested in the 00:00:32
discussion. We're going to do a couple of things before we get started with the works session. And I'm going to turn it over to 00:00:39
Supervisor Klein now and he has something to say about these paintings we see here. So good morning, everyone, these paintings 00:00:46
that are sitting in front of us. 00:00:53
This is a result from a contest that was held in the Copper Corridor, but just local artists, kids and young adults and it was put 00:01:00
together to celebrate the local talent and heritage of the Copper Corridor. And this is this is part of what came out of that. The 00:01:08
theme was on mining and so there was 25 entries and they were they've been showcased around and and and I said as part of the 00:01:17
youth art contest but these three are from Aubrey Torres #16. 00:01:25
And she's from Hayden Winkelman, Eli Webb number 29th from Miami and Mila Verdugo from Miami all took the top spots these three. 00:01:34
And So what do you what's going to happen is, is these pictures will actually be painted on murals on some buildings in the copper 00:01:41
corridor so that those kids did a very, very good job on us and they were they each were awarded $500 a piece for this. So anyway 00:01:49
thank you all and that's that's. 00:01:56
Very good. They're quite good. Excellent looking. So let's move on to item 2A. I'm going to ask Mary Springer. She'd come forward 00:02:08
and we all remember Mary as she's now the retired Chief Financial Officer for Gila County and she is very active in the Elks Club 00:02:17
of Payson, which is club. What's the number? 00:02:25
21542154 She is now the Exalted Ruler. 00:02:35
And that is great. So, Mary, we have information, discussion and action to adopt the Proclamations #2024-02 proclaiming May 1st 00:02:41
through the 7th as Youth Week in Gila County. Could you fill us in on that? Yes, Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Member Supervisors. 00:02:49
Every year the National Elks Association designates the first week in May as National Elks Youth Week and they encouraged local 00:02:57
governments, state governments. 00:03:05
And different organizations to do something and work with you promote youth because there are future and we need to nurture and 00:03:14
mentor them into adulthood. So they retired, so they come up and take over for us someday. And so some of the things that the Elks 00:03:22
Club does is we partner with local nonprofits such as Payson Community Kids who are going to be having an art project working with 00:03:30
those kids. 00:03:37
We worked with the health department. The Elks provided a couple bicycles for their bike safety rodeo that they got going on. But 00:03:46
we also throughout the year we do a child program. We have a Halloween party, those kind of events for the children. But in the 00:03:54
state we also have two major projects. One is the Steel Children's Research Center that's in Tucson, AZ. And they take in kids at 00:04:02
no cost that have childhood illnesses and diseases. 00:04:10
And they try and find cures and advancement in medicine for those children. Also the youth camp and young, I think you probably 00:04:18
know where that is. Workman's Creek, that's a camp that the Elks have as one of their major projects. Every year we go down there 00:04:26
the the last week in April to get it ready and that camp is open from sometime in May to about end of September and it's free for 00:04:34
youth youth organizations. So anybody that has a a youth group that wants to go. 00:04:42
And stay at that camp. You do that free and they can go on the Elks website and make reservations so that those are some of the 00:04:51
things that the Elks do to support our youth. 00:04:56
Thank you, Bear Supervisor Humphrey. Any comments or questions? No, I have great appreciation. I'm an ELF member as well and so I 00:05:02
understand what they do and they're very much appreciated. 00:05:07
Thank you, Supervise the client, Mary, thank you that that's real important. And that Elks camp right there on Wardman Creek has 00:05:14
been there for quite a while now, quite a long time and I know it gets used a lot through the summer. So thanks for keeping that 00:05:19
going. Thank you. 00:05:23
Yes, thank you very much, Mary. So you came to, we'd like for Helen County to support this. So if it's all right, I'll read the 00:05:29
proclamation right now. So it's a proclamation of the Board of Supervisors of HeLa County, Arizona proclaiming May 1st through May 00:05:37
7th, 2024 as Youth Week in Gila County. Whereas the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks has a designated May one through 7 as 00:05:45
Youth Week in honor America's junior citizens for their accomplishments and to give fitting recognition of their services. 00:05:53
And go forth to serve America. And whereas to achieve this worthy objective, we should demonstrate our partnership with youth, our 00:06:40
understanding of their hopes and aspirations, and a sincere willingness to help prepare them in every way for the responsibilities 00:06:49
and opportunities of citizenship. And now, therefore, be it resolved that we, the Gila County Board of Supervisors, hereby 00:06:57
proclaim May 1st through the 7th 2024 as Youth Week. 00:07:05
And with that, I will call for a motion to codify that. 00:07:14
So moved. 00:07:19
I'll second that Mr. Chair. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you, Mary. Thank you very much. And I've left a little token of 00:07:21
our appreciation on your on the dais. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Mary. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good to see you again. 00:07:28
It's given out by order of people come to us and by needs so. 00:08:17
OK. Thank you, Josh, the supervisor, Humphrey. 00:08:23
No, I I think it's great for all you do and and all that you reach for. So I appreciate it. 00:08:26
Supervisor Point. Thank you, Josh. 00:08:33
Yes, thank you, Josh. Let me read the proclamation, a proclamation of the Helicopter Board of Supervisors proclaiming April is 00:08:36
fair housing month in Hilah County. Whereas the Civil Rights Act of 1968, commonly known as the Federal Fair Housing Act and the 00:08:42
Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 prohibit discrimination in the sale, rental, leasing and financing of housing or land to be 00:08:49
used for the construction of housing or in the provision of brokerage services on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, 00:08:56
disability, family status or. 00:09:02
National origin and whereas. 00:09:10
Excuse me? The 1968 and 1988 Federal Housing Fair Housing Act declares that it is a national policy to ensure equal opportunity 00:09:14
and housing. And whereas April is traditionally been designated as Fair Housing Month in the United States, now therefore be it 00:09:21
resolved that we, the members of the Hewitt County Board of Supervisors, do hereby proclaim April as Fair Housing Month in ELA 00:09:29
County and do hereby urge all citizens of this county to comply with the letter and spirit of the Fair Housing Act. 00:09:37
And with that, I will call for a motion to codify Mr. Chair. I'll make the motion to adopt Proclamation #2024-03 proclaiming April 00:09:45
24 as Fair Housing Month in Healer County. 00:09:51
Mr. Chair, I'll second that we have a motion and 2nd to. 00:09:59
To approve the proclamation. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you, Josh. OK. 00:10:04
And item 2C is information discussion regarding the intergovernmental agreement number 01072022. It is between Gila County and the 00:10:13
Gila County Provisional Community College District. We have several members of the board with us, I believe Jan Brocker. 00:10:24
Will be leading the discussion 1st and I would just remind everyone that this is a work session. So at any point during the 00:10:35
presentation or process, I would encourage each supervisor to jump in if they have a question, a comment or anything that they 00:10:44
would like to do. So Jan, I'm going to turn it over to you. 00:10:52
Oh, OK. 00:11:04
There we go. Thank you. 00:11:17
All right. Chairman, Christensen County, Supervisors, County Administrators, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for the opportunity 00:11:20
to provide this update on activities related to the current IGA with HeLa County over the past 20 years. Any steps toward 00:11:27
achieving accreditation have not been successful, primarily because GCC had not built the infrastructure necessary to demonstrate 00:11:34
sustainability. 00:11:42
As an independent Community College and to begin the accreditation process, we're hopeful that the information that's presented 00:11:50
today will assure you that we have accelerated our efforts and that the investment in the college has been a sound. 00:11:58
I ask that everybody hold their questions until the end since we have a lot of material to cover and we want to respect 00:12:07
everybody's time and we know that you have other items on the agenda, so. 00:12:14
On that note, and in the interest of time. 00:12:22
Just a brief overview, we do have a strategic plan for the college. I felt like extracting the mission statement and then one 00:12:27
other page will give you some idea of what we've worked on or what we stand for. So if you'll notice in the mission statement that 00:12:36
basically that first paragraph that as a Community College we really focus on the academic or what we would call traditional 00:12:44
college coursework, career development and technical training skills, often referred to as workforce development. 00:12:53
And a lot of that is through our career and technical education districts that we work with, what we call the CTADS, both now that 00:13:02
and CIVET and finally life enrichment courses. They're all important to us. 00:13:08
As a result, as a result of our slot analysis within the strategic plan and the goals of the objectives developed, we focused on 00:13:19
what we call critical SuccessFactors. We have seven of them. 00:13:26
You'll see that they're all very important. They again can measure the success we have. But for today's presentation, we're going 00:13:35
to focus on the first three because they actually set the groundwork to enable us to carry out the the other four. 00:13:42
All right. So we'll start with the college infrastructure. And to leave that off, I'd like to introduce Sean Wakefield, who is our 00:13:51
IT specialist. Sean. 00:13:55
Thank you. 00:14:08
It's an honor to be here. So I'm Sean Wakefield, and I am. 00:14:09
I've been in IT. I worked on the information system for Eastern Arizona College for about 13 years, where I met Doctor Laura 00:14:14
Avila. So they've I've been working with Hila County to identify software systems that we can put in place to make all the rest of 00:14:21
it possible. So this is a night chart. I apologize for that, but it has a lot of information on it. We really wanted to try to 00:14:29
dial in how much everything is going to cost and that's going to be a big focus, but not also what it costs but. 00:14:37
And it'll do the job. We had a pretty exhaustive search over a number of systems. We have narrowed our options down to a couple 00:14:45
and the needs that we have are represented in the top column or row up in that table. The SIS is the Student Information System, 00:14:51
which has all of the records that makes it possible for students to register for classes. That's kind of the heart of the whole 00:14:58
system and and the most expensive piece, the LMS is a Learning Management system and we included this. We have a system that we've 00:15:04
evaluated. 00:15:10
In the interest of making sure we have all of our IS dotted. 00:15:50
The year total there and the no syllabus or curriculum. That's kind of the number. There's another column though, Doctor. 00:15:55
Brocker asked me to present basically the lowest and everything. So the lowest amount for five year total cost would be $140,000 a 00:16:04
year for the high over five years and that represents 5 about $500,000. Just to give you some perspective, a couple of the other 00:16:11
systems, one of which EAC adopted that we were considering in the beginning, they're a lot bigger systems for bigger schools, but 00:16:19
just the implementation cost alone for those. 00:16:27
Anthology that EIC adopted. It was going to be 1.5 to $1.7 million just for the first year implementation, so. 00:16:36
A5 year cost of 500,000 is a significant decrease in cost for that. So we're pretty excited and happy about the systems that we 00:16:44
found to hopefully put in place with an LMS included. Actually with everything included, the total upper limit of the cost would 00:16:52
be about 725,000 / 5 years and that represents $186,000 per year is the high because all of these have escalators as the year each 00:17:00
year goes on, they add 3% or so. We just extracted that out and that's where we came up with the numbers. 00:17:08
So that's kind of everything on a board that we're looking for that needs to be in place for college offer programs. 00:17:17
OK. I'm sorry, but I'm going to ask if there's any questions at this juncture. So Supervisor Humphrey, I have no questions. 00:17:26
So this system that you're looking at right here, is that something that will help you guys towards accreditation? 00:17:36
Is this what is one of the pieces you need? It's absolutely essential and that's one of the reasons like the catalog system we had 00:17:43
to include as a separate piece, our student information system didn't have that functionality. But that is one of the things that 00:17:49
we need for accreditation. So we need to be able to end and LMS is also part of that. Each of those have pieces that if the Sis 00:17:56
doesn't have will need for like learning outcomes, course programs to be able to you know. 00:18:02
Show what each program is going to do, a student remote and say, I want to be a nurse, They can look at the learning outcomes for 00:18:09
that program and say, all right, at the end of this I should be able to do this. That's not one of the things that the student 00:18:14
information system does that we need for accreditation. So that's where we kind of identified all of the needs that we need for 00:18:19
accreditation and to offer programs and and those are the systems in place. OK. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Sean. I have no 00:18:24
questions. Thank you. 00:18:29
Good morning. For those of you that don't know me, I'm Janice Falcorn. I'm the interim college president I would like to provide. 00:18:42
Members a handout. 00:18:51
That will really tell you what we've been working on in much more detail than what we're going to tell you about today. 00:18:53
So one of the very first things that we started on and again, I got hired in August of 2022 and so I've been the interim president 00:19:05
for about 20 months. In the last 20 months, we have written over 75 policies and procedures. A lot of those again on that list 00:19:12
that it had to do talks about each one of those being a step toward accreditation. We have to have this policy in place on 00:19:19
academic standards, on academic integrity. And so we put those things together. 00:19:27
Last week is some board document software. I had actually been out to your website and saw how organized things were, and so we've 00:20:07
come up with a way to be much more transparent with the public. 00:20:12
The community grants, I'd like to thank Robin Bradford with FMI, who's been very supportive of our community investment funds. 00:20:18
About two years ago, right before I retired from the AC, I had written a grant for the Regional Training Center, the Globe Miami 00:20:25
Regional Training Center. We received a matching grant from FMI for $300,000 to upgrade our welding program and our HVAC program. 00:20:33
So I don't know if you've had an opportunity to stop and see what's going on at the Regional Training Center, but please do. 00:20:40
We also wrote another grant just as last year I worked with the Community Investment Fund as well as Arizona Complete Health. We 00:20:48
were awarded A matching grant for $100,000 to buy nursing mannequins for our nursing program here in town. 00:20:55
We also, and I thought you might want just a little update on the Law Enforcement Training Academy since you were so generous in 00:21:04
supporting that as well. But all of the work is complete out at the Globe or out at the gun range. The globe gun range, right. OK, 00:21:12
so all the work is complete. We are in the process of getting with Arizona Post, who has to come out and do an inspection. 00:21:20
Accept the supervisor, board, manager. 00:21:36
Thank you for allowing us to be here. Continuing on with the building of the necessary infrastructure for Independence and 00:21:39
Accreditation and Healing Committee College, I have had the pleasure of working on several aspects of that. Within the human 00:21:47
resources system. To prepare for direct employment and personnel for HEMA Community College, we applied for and established the 00:21:55
necessary federal and state payroll tax counts and began researching human resources information systems. 00:22:04
Payroll processing platforms. We obtained and implemented A comprehensive combined human resources and payroll management system 00:22:12
through ADP. This allowed us to hire our first direct employee with the approval of our Section 218 modification agreement between 00:22:20
the Social Security Administration and the State of Arizona. We have filed our membership application documents with the Arizona 00:22:28
State Retirement System and we have researched and selected. 00:22:36
The Arizona School Boards Association Trust, our association insurance trust, which is a pooled risk management environment for 00:22:44
our employee insurance benefits. We have targeted July 1st of this year as the start date for both important benefit programs. 00:22:54
Within the organizational structure charts, considerable thought and discussion has taken place as we developed our future vision 00:23:05
or chart or the organizational structure. We are fortunate to have existing knowledgeable, experienced and loyal Hayley County 00:23:13
College employees by evaluating the strengths and career goals of existing employees to determine best fit for our future 00:23:21
positions and responsibilities. 00:23:28
We anticipate transitioning those individuals who choose to become Helic Community College employees, thus allowing Healer County 00:23:37
residents to continue contributing to the communities and economies of this county. 00:23:45
And within the financial and accounting system, policies, procedures and the necessary infrastructure, including a comprehensive 00:23:54
general Ledger and budgeting and financial reporting capabilities are being developed to support the academic and operational 00:24:00
capabilities. 00:24:06
And of an independent Community College, a critical component of this development is ensuring the capacity and ease of 00:24:14
transferring accounting and financial data between all of the Helix community colleges, information technology platforms and 00:24:23
infrastructure that was spoken about earlier. We are progressing on on all of these. Thank you. Philippe, do you have any 00:24:31
questions? So supervisor, hopefully I have no questions. I'm good as well. Thank you. I was going to ask real quick so. 00:24:39
Are you in the process of hiring an HR? 00:24:48
Person. Or did you just say that you have one? 00:24:53
OK. Our first, our first hire was made possible and our first hire is actually Aaron McCord, who is with us today as the 00:24:57
Administrative Assistant to the Hilah County Provisional Community College District Board. I am serving as the HR professional at 00:25:05
this point in time and have have contracted and developed all of the different components of the ADP HRIS, which is it human 00:25:12
resources information. 00:25:20
And payroll system that we purchased and those processes and all of those components have been developed by myself and the other 00:25:27
consultants as well as the board to allow us to to hire additional employees. And HR may certainly be one of the transitioning 00:25:35
employees that we help hope to bring in from current college employees and you you're pretty confident that you're going to be 00:25:42
able to get your. 00:25:50
Uh, what is needed for the retirement system by July 1? Absolutely. OK All right. Thank you. Thank you. 00:25:58
Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Member Supervisors. 00:26:14
Mary Springer and I'm also a consultant with the Community College and I was brought on back in March of last year to help with 00:26:18
policy development and procurement to make sure that when we do go out for an SIS system or an LMS or any of these, even even an 00:26:28
ADP, that we have researched it properly and we've bid on it properly. So that way when we do make an award, we've done it. 00:26:37
To our procurement policies, which I also was instrumental in putting together the accounting software that they spoke about, we 00:26:48
did extensive research on that as well. And each one of these pieces have to be put together as Doctor Lawhorn talked about for 00:26:56
the accreditation process. We just want to make sure that we're following the rules as we go and we're doing it properly. So 00:27:05
procurement, RFQS, RFPs, bidding, quoting, that's the part that I take care of and make sure that we do follow our processes. 00:27:13
Thank you. Thank you very. 00:27:23
All righty. So the pie chart up there shows you our FY22 revenues. Unfortunately, our audit has not yet been completed. We did not 00:27:31
receive our our data and so our CPA is currently working on that and we have extended the deadline to June 30th of 2024. You'll 00:27:40
notice approximately 70% of the district's revenues come from the Gila County primary tax levy. 00:27:48
And 20% come from some Arizona State funding sources including operations which is workforce development, smart and safe funds, 00:27:57
rural aid. Approximately 10% is from some miscellaneous contracts and investment earnings and next year that is going to be a 00:28:03
bigger piece of pie on our investment earnings for sure. 00:28:09
Questions about this one before I move on. 00:28:17
Jump in if you have, I have no question. 00:28:21
So as you look at this, you might have heard back in if you've been around for a while, in 2010 there was a Senate sub task force 00:28:26
committee who completed a study that said you know are they really financially stable? Can they really do this? If you look at our 00:28:34
net position from 2010 through 2022, you can see that we have significantly increased where we are. The college is debt free, owns 00:28:42
all property and other physical assets outright. 00:28:50
And its net position has steadily improved. 00:28:58
If you'll notice too, and you know that we have the option to seek voter approval on general education general election date to 00:29:02
increase the primary property tax levy for the college, but we will not be doing though doing so at this time. I believe we have a 00:29:09
2% which we're allowed to every year, but we are not going to ask for additional tax funds. 00:29:16
So. 00:29:27
I see the number, OK. I see the chart and all that. But is there a point where you going to talk about the expenses or the 00:29:31
projected expenses? So actually Larry will do that. Yes, absolutely. So I have a question for you. In 2012 you were up pretty good 00:29:37
and then you dropped in 2013, why was that and built back up? 00:29:43
Oh, building. The building was completed in casein. 00:29:52
So I don't know why there was a drop in fund in funds, is that what you're saying? But then they extended the funds on the 00:29:58
building and? 00:30:02
Anything else? 00:30:10
All right. 00:30:15
Thank you again. As mentioned previously, forecasting and budgeting is an important part of planning for our future. Presented 00:30:22
here is a brief budget overview for the current fiscal year, the next fiscal year estimate, which starts in two months. 00:30:30
And the first HeLa Community College developed budget for fiscal year 26. The fiscal year 26 proposed budget is adjusted by the 00:30:38
estimated 25% administrative fee of the previous years and the additional anticipated expenses of. 00:30:49
Additional personnel, the direct employment of a college President and two Vice presidents with associated benefits and COLA 00:31:01
opportunities for all personnel. the IT system expenses as discussed by Mr. Whitefield a little bit earlier, ACCJC anticipated 00:31:11
expenses as we continue on with the accreditation process with this organization and a deferred maintenance fund. 00:31:21
Which are funds allocated to build new restrooms on the Hilo Pueblo campus to address the older failing plumbing infrastructure 00:31:32
and any other necessary maintenance items that may present. The removal of the administrative fee and the additional expenses 00:31:40
combined represents a net savings of approximately $600,000 in the first year, even allowing for completing critical deferred 00:31:48
maintenance. 00:31:56
I'd be happy to answer any questions. 00:32:05
So explain the 25%, because there's a whole lot of people sitting in this room that did not pick up on that. 00:32:08
OK, if I may. 00:32:15
That 25% administrative fee is written into our current IGA with our accredited Community College that that. 00:32:19
We're working with right now and what that is is, is we heal a Community College, pays all of the operating expenses for our 00:32:30
programs within Hema County and then the partner institution also collects an additional 25% on all of those expenses and and fees 00:32:41
that we have paid originally as an administration or an operating fee. 00:32:52
And so in anticipation of the current IGA ending on July 1st, 2025, which is in that fiscal year 26. 00:33:04
Then we will no longer be paying that additional 25% overhead operational administrative fee, but we do recognize that we will 00:33:19
have then these additional expenses that will now be ours that were previously. 00:33:27
Effort with that administrative fee, again that brings us to a net savings of $600,000 approximately just the 25%. Yes, Sir. OK. 00:33:36
And then are you go ahead as as you can see in our current fiscal year budget that 25% operational or administrative fee is 00:33:45
approximately $1.4 million. 00:33:53
We expect in fiscal year 25 that's starting on July 1st of this next year to be in that same neighborhood, neighborhood $1.5 00:34:03
million. 00:34:08
And then as we bring it back to our control and our operation, we're able to first of all say that $1.5 million and even 00:34:14
accounting for additional expenses that will come in as as we begin determining our own finances and uses up those finances, those 00:34:25
additional expenses will nowhere near need that 1.5 million that we expect to save. 00:34:37
Thus the net savings in just that first year and it will continue. 00:34:48
From there. Thank you. 00:34:54
Thank you. 00:34:56
Appreciate your time. 00:34:58
OK. Just let me clarify one thing. When we show an additional 600,000 for personnel on this slide, we have fully staffed campuses. 00:35:06
We're paying their salaries through EAC. We're paying their benefits plus the 25% overhead for each one of those individuals. So 00:35:15
the only positions that we see that will be necessary, we will need. 00:35:24
A college president because that is not right now. That's currently funded through the IGA with the county, a few other 00:35:33
adjustments on some salaries, but we expect that we have the personnel that we need to run the college. OK, with those exceptions. 00:35:41
OK. I just wanted to clarify before I move on to our next. 00:35:49
Critical success factor which is and I'm sorry the it's a little tough to read. 00:35:59
But the accreditation timeline, I'm able to share this with you, and again, I do that do so with a few sort of conditions or 00:36:05
caveats. 00:36:11
This is the plan that we put together. We are applying for accreditation through the Accrediting Commission for Community and 00:36:19
Junior Colleges. 00:36:23
Previous to 2019, they could only accredit colleges in California, Hawaii and a few of the other the islands that belong to the US 00:36:30
with 2019, Department of Education allowed what had been formally regional accreditation. 00:36:40
Agencies to offer their services nationwide. So we after talking with them we realized that this would be a much better fit not 00:36:52
only because they focus on two year colleges but because of their responsiveness that we've had with them. So again, I need to 00:37:01
caution everyone and say that we cannot imply when or even if we will receive accreditation. We are in the process now. 00:37:11
But we are happy to share this information with the public, hopefully keeping it as much under the radar as possible. 00:37:21
What this shows and it's a little hard to tell, we have achieved milestones one and two on this, the second one being the 00:37:31
eligibility application submitting that report, it's kind of a, it's a, it's a multi level process. 00:37:41
But basically we had to apply to see if we were eligible, eligible to move on with the process. 00:37:52
We had a goal of submitting that by May 1st, which would be tomorrow. I'm happy to report that that was submitted last Friday. OK, 00:38:00
so they did receive it on April 26th. We have a liaison there that reviewed our draft, pointed out any changes that we needed to 00:38:08
make and we should hear of the eligibility determination within a couple of weeks. Actually, Doctor Laughlin and I are going to 00:38:16
their annual conference. 00:38:24
And we may, I believe it's May 9th and 10th and we may have an answer then as to whether or not we're allowed to move forward. Let 00:38:32
me tell you that if we're allowed to move forward, it's because they believe that we have all of the pieces in place to be 00:38:40
successful. So the original timeline when we wrote the IGA with the county was based on applying through the Higher Learning 00:38:47
Commission and that's the agency that most Arizona colleges are. 00:38:55
Accredited through. 00:39:03
ACC, JC. Who we're going with is a branch of what's called WASP Western Accredited Association of Schools and Colleges. 00:39:05
They're the four year university. 00:39:17
Operation they, you know, their credit Stanford, UCLA, USC, all of the four years there and ACCJC just focuses on the two year. 00:39:20
After we complete. 00:39:32
Complete the process and we'll refer back to it a little bit more, but there will be some additional processes that we need to 00:39:35
complete within the state to be fully organized to receive federal. 00:39:41
Financial aid, all of those things we are communicating and will continue to communicate with those state agencies and hopefully 00:39:48
we will continue all of those processes while we are submitting what's called an Icer, OK? 00:39:57
So whoops. 00:40:05
Don't turn it upside down. 00:40:09
OK. So again we have submitted the eligibility application. Hopefully by mid-May we will confirm the eligibility. Then we go into 00:40:12
a process of what's called the institutional self evaluation report or ISAR that we will plan to submit by August 1st and. 00:40:23
Umm, at that point. Then there is a visit on campus. 00:40:35
In, I believe October, it's tentatively set the Commission meets in January and if all goes well, we could have candidacy status 00:40:41
by February or March of next year. So what that means is that we're the candidacy, even though we still have more steps to be 00:40:50
fully accredited. We would be able to accredit our own degrees, certificates, all of our own programs. 00:41:00
Any questions? 00:41:11
Yeah, I have one and and OK, if everything goes well and we get to March 2025. 00:41:15
What's the cost gonna be? We have that built into the budget. OK, so I'll tell you about that in just a moment. OK. Thank you. OK. 00:41:22
Anything else? Jan, What if this doesn't work out? What's your next game plan? We'll talk about that, too, because that's very 00:41:28
important. 00:41:33
All right. So the other the third critical success factor of course is contracts for education services. We stopped talking about 00:41:40
it being an educational partner because really? 00:41:46
All along we were contracting for another Community College to provide services to the college. As you can tell from the 00:41:52
presentations, we will no longer meet the business side of our own operation. But thanks to a bill that was introduced by 00:42:00
Representative Cook and it was House Bill 2039 that has been passed into law, we can now look at not only contracting with other 00:42:08
Community College districts, but also the public universities, the four year universities. 00:42:16
And possibly the tribal colleges. OK, so that has been opened up to us thanks to that bill. 00:42:24
We have been in, we've been pursuing educational contracts with both the four year public university and the tribal colleges. 00:42:33
Several positive steps have taken have been taken and this right now may need to only be a short term solution. However, we are 00:42:43
also looking at long term relationships with these entities. Right now we unfortunately can't make any announcements. 00:42:52
As anybody in government knows, you can't jeopardize the progress by making announcements too soon. But I promise, you know, once 00:43:02
we are able to make an announcement and we have like at least a memorandum of an understanding in hand, we will make sure that 00:43:09
everybody is aware. 00:43:16
We're very optimistic about establishing contractual relationship with a four year university. 00:43:24
Very well respected. That could greatly benefit our potential nursing students, our county and rural health care in general. 00:43:31
Something this important requires a great deal of thoughtfulness and attention to detail to ensure it's well and well constructed 00:43:42
and making sure it's mutually beneficial. 00:43:47
Other initiatives could result in a collaborative effort to expand workforce training STEM offerings within the county, throughout 00:43:53
the Northeast quadrant of Arizona and potentially into the Four Corners area that include Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona. 00:43:59
So those are some of the things that we're working on. We didn't wait for the bill to be passed. We've been working on that pretty 00:44:04
much nonstop. 00:44:10
And now? 00:44:18
We'll talk about the budget that we have in place. 00:44:20
All right. So this slide indicates how the funds received from Healer County have supported the progress we've made and provides a 00:44:25
forecast of how the funds will continue to support our efforts to reach our mutual goals of an independent and accredited 00:44:32
Community College. You can see that the first year, again, I didn't get hired until August of 2022. In the spring, we hired our 00:44:39
consultants and then of course we had carryover after our first year. 00:44:46
See, the expenses that were there, the carryover of 87,000 coming forward, we knew that we were going to have some additional 00:44:54
expenses moving forward. And so I said we've been, we've been advertising for positions. We do, Jan and I are going to go to 00:45:01
Orange County for the travel. And then I said we mentioned that we're going to have that board package software so that we can be 00:45:09
more transparent with our constituents. 00:45:16
Did you cover 3? 00:45:24
OK. As you can see at the end of year 3 for the IGA, we do show a deficit. At that point, of course we would. We'll have other 00:45:33
expenses that we'll need to take out of the the college budget, but we've only presented the three-year budget even though it's a 00:45:42
five year IGA because at this point in time, again we always have to say it all goes well and we expect it to go well. 00:45:51
We will not need the full five years. We should be able to move forward as an independent Community College. 00:46:01
In July as of July 1, 2025. 00:46:12
OK, so that's why we have the budget hasn't gone any further. 00:46:17
All right, so here's some of the things that could influence both our success and create challenges. So. 00:46:31
We also want to acknowledge the guidance from our government relations consultant, James Canlan, our attorney Anthony Contente, 00:47:14
Como, as well as the tremendous support from Arizona Senate President Warren Peterson and District 7 State Representative Mr. 00:47:19
David Cook. 00:47:24
The GCC Healer County IGA does not fall under state expenditure limits. OK, so I want everybody to understand, like like a lot of 00:47:31
the school districts in the state, we have a particular cap on what we can spend every year regardless of what we have in the 00:47:38
bank. 00:47:44
So the the value to us of the IGA with Pima County is it doesn't fall under that expenditure limit and especially since our 00:47:51
student enrollments have been dropping and we'll explain that in just a moment. And our expenses have unfortunately increased 00:47:58
without any control over either. 00:48:05
It could mean that we have to pay a state imposed penalty in fiscal year 24. There's a House bill 2089. 00:48:14
That would raise expenditure limits for the community colleges, but it seems to be in a stalemate right now in the Arizona 00:48:21
legislature. So last year they proposed it and it it never gained any traction. We're doing our best to alert various Arizona 00:48:29
State agencies to our progress and future plans and work with them in case that expenditure limit is that the penalties are 00:48:36
higher. And finally, when we talk about Community Trust. 00:48:43
And a vision we're grateful for the support that we've received over the past year from the employees and the communities in 00:48:51
Healer County. The good news is, is that we've achieved honestly in 20 months what is been more than 20 years in the making. 00:48:59
We look forward to continuing the progress toward candidacy status and the initial accreditation. And you have our word that we 00:49:08
will share any new developments as they're announced. So again, just thinking about the support. 00:49:16
Or on the opposite side, any obstacles might come from these particular factors. Just a quick note on the students enrollments or 00:49:26
what's always referred to as Footsie. 00:49:32
You can see it was very healthy. 2010 was when there was a recession. A lot of people went back to school. We were tracking about 00:49:39
an average of about 600 a year. The last three years, between COVID and losing our online courses, our educational partner 00:49:46
determined that they would count those enrollments toward their their Footsie numbers. So we've lost those. So yes, the Footsie 00:49:54
have gone down, Footsie indicates. 00:50:01
Expenditure limits. So we've got those going down, expenses going high, so higher. And again none of that's been under our 00:50:09
control. It just points out the importance of taking control back of our college. Now I'm going to turn it over to three of the 00:50:17
other governing board members to talk about what we how we're going to serve our community in the future. 00:50:25
Cameron Supervisors Administration staff Fernanda Shipley on the newest board member or was the newest board member until Mickey 00:50:35
and I got on. But small business, being small business owner in Healy County is really important and having more programs designed 00:50:41
for to help people be prepared to enter business and help businesses is really important to us also another trend that's going on 00:50:47
is instead of having to get a whole degree, you could actually do workshops and seminars to build a skill set specific to what you 00:50:53
need for your workforce. 00:50:59
Associate degrees of being in control of our own path, we can we can meet the needs of the community much quicker. And one of the 00:51:06
things that we really focused on is our dual credit programs. And that really helps our students because it is a very, it's a 00:51:12
great way for them to build college credits as well as fulfill their high school requirements. And at a very nominal cost to the 00:51:18
student, they might just have to pay fees, but we're able to cover a lot of that cost. And so that really helps some of our kids 00:51:24
are actually graduate. 00:51:30
They'll walk with a two year degree before they'll walk for their high school graduation. 00:51:36
MMM. 00:51:41
Good morning, everyone. I'm Connie Cockrell. I'm Secretary on the Board and I do want to continue looking at how we can serve our 00:51:45
communities in the future. One of the things is community and educational partnerships and we do that now of course, but we want 00:51:55
to expand those so that other we can partner with other organizations to provide services for our students and and our students. 00:52:05
Let me drop down to enrichment courses are both high school students and some pre high school students and as well as at least in 00:52:15
Payson if not here in Globe in Miami. We have a fairly senior population. These enrichment courses can sometimes mean the 00:52:25
difference between them living or slowly passing away. We had a woman I know personally. 00:52:35
Her husband passed a few years ago. She's been taking the personal history class every single year. She's made friends. She's 00:52:46
learned more about herself and and her the things that she likes to do and that has really helped her deal with her. Her grief and 00:52:54
in addition, enrichment courses offer lifelong learning is so important for us not to say, oh, I graduated high school or oh, I 00:53:01
graduated college and then you stop learning anything. 00:53:08
This is the best place. Community colleges are the absolute best place to continue that lifelong learning. And also we want to 00:53:17
talk about our STEM programs. We have, because of the nursing programs, we've had some really good science programs, but now we've 00:53:24
just started offering pilot training at the Payson campus. We've just started offering the opportunity for high school students to 00:53:32
work on astronomy projects. 00:53:39
Where their name will be on the paper they issue. Real scientific published papers can't be better than that if you're a high 00:53:47
school student and you're looking for your college. 00:53:54
Hey, I've got a published scientific paper with my name on it. That's the best thing ever. 00:54:01
Good morning, Chairman, Supervisors, My name is Trippin House. Full disclosure, I'm also on the board but I am an employee of 00:54:11
Report Mac Brand as their Superintendent of Technical Training. I just last week recently I I attended a meeting for all North 00:54:17
American technical trainers for Freeport and they had an outside consultant that came in and said there's 3.8 million vacancies in 00:54:23
industrial. 00:54:30
And construction trades in the United States that cannot be filled because there are not enough trained people. We have a 00:54:37
tremendous opportunity here in Southern County and Northern Heather County for workforce development activity. So we've we've 00:54:44
worked very hard and diligently to improve the welding program at the RTC center down in Claypool that is actually seen interest 00:54:52
from outside of Hewlett County. So it's in those classes we're looking at opportunities for housing. 00:54:59
We're looking at for students and staff in the local area. There's been a lot of talk, a lot of cooperation between businesses, 00:55:07
industry and the college and other partners to pursue these endeavours. We definitely need additional workforce development in 00:55:14
Southern Heath County in conjunction with Freeport background and the civic program. We're pleased to announce that we're going to 00:55:21
be working forward on an electrical and instrumentation program. 00:55:29
That was not possible. 00:55:36
Previously due to the situation with the current predictation or operational partner. So we're going to be moving forward with 00:55:38
that directly with the civic program, but that's also a program that could be handed off to the community colleges as they. 00:55:45
It's accreditation or a new part? 00:55:54
The need exists. I think everyone that is speaking to anyone in the community about workforce development knows that from the 00:55:59
restaurants to the largest mining businesses we have here, staffing is short. 00:56:06
And everyone is is in need. I know businesses are not working full time right now or they're not in full operation like 00:56:14
restaurants they're they're limiting their their because of staff. So there's a lot of opportunity here. The demand is so high 00:56:19
that I've seen. 00:56:24
Typical new hire rotation cycles go from one week once a month to every other week now. 00:56:31
And classes are full. So the opportunity is tremendous and pursuing these opportunities, I'd like to personally thank Doctor. 00:56:40
The horn and drive rocker, because it's been a lot of work. I think the AIP list that you have provided shows there's been a lot 00:56:49
of work that's occurred in the last year just to make this happen. Thank you. 00:56:55
Thank you. 00:57:02
OK, so we are just about done. But I apologize, Supervisor Klein, I did not answer your question about what would happen if things 00:57:08
didn't fall into place. We. 00:57:15
The worst case scenario that we see right now is that we would have a one year gap year next year. What that would impact is any 00:57:23
of the two year programs. OK. The DAC has indicated they will not start any students in those two year programs. 00:57:32
There's basically the nursing program and the cosmetology. But again, what we have in the future I think will not only make up for 00:57:41
that, but actually could prove to be a much better situation. One year programs, individual courses, dual course, dual credit 00:57:50
courses at the high schools, those will all continue next year, OK. So we will still be very busy at the college. 00:57:58
OK, so. 00:58:08
We'll wrap this up and then again open it up for questions. 00:58:11
Chairman, Christensen County Supervisors and County administrators, thank you for your attention, your time, and your support. We 00:58:17
hope you agree the Loki of control and responsibility for Gila Counties educational future needs to reside in Gila County. When 00:58:24
the governing board and district leadership made the decision to prioritize building the college infrastructure and expediting the 00:58:31
accreditation process, the original timeline for becoming an independent Community College district was drastically compressed. 00:58:39
Most importantly, it has greatly reduced the long term dependence on an educational services contractor. 00:58:46
While the risk was great, we feel the reward is even greater. The investment the Board of Supervisors has made in the college will 00:58:53
reap rewards for the residents of Gila County for decades to come. 00:59:00
And again, as long as we're able to consistently move forward with the plans presented today, it is very realistic that we'll be 00:59:09
able to reopen our doors as HeLa Community College on July 1st, 2025. Thank you. 00:59:16
I'll open it up for questions of any of our consultants board members. OK. Thank you Doctor Parker and I want to thank everyone 00:59:24
who presented well done. I think the presentation was very well done, very well put together. I'm going to go a little out of 00:59:33
order and make some comments myself and then I will ask the supervisors to jump in at that point so. 00:59:42
I've had several meetings with Doctor Brocker. 00:59:53
And actually we all have. So this process has been kind of going on for a while now. I think you told me that you've been on the 00:59:56
board for 10 years yourself. I'm starting my 10th year. This is the beginning of my 10th year. So the IGA that we have with the 01:00:06
provisional college is $250,000 a year to support the achievement of full accreditation. 01:00:16
And we've all, we've already given $500,000 and so we're we're. 01:00:26
Looking at that point right there. 01:00:33
If people don't know, the Board of Supervisors does not have any legal authority over. 01:00:37
College District Board, we can't tell you what to do or how to do it. That is, you are an elected official like many of the other 01:00:44
elected officials. So the discretion that we have is whether or not to support financially in this IGA. Now back as far as 01:00:55
November of 22, I met with you, doctor. And at that point, among many other things you said we're about two or three years away. 01:01:05
From accreditation. So the accreditation process seems to be somewhat elusive. It's always two years or it's always two or three 01:01:16
years away. And you said that a year and a half ago. I'm not, I'm not condemning you for that. Obviously, you thought that that 01:01:22
would occur. 01:01:28
And so as your presentation shows, we're just now. 01:01:35
Partnering with someone to start that process. That may still take a couple of years or more, but we might get to a what do you 01:01:41
call it the? 01:01:46
Candidacy status prior to that so now last year May 8th, so we're almost a full year out. We had we had something that occurred 01:01:53
that had been pretty devastating and that's when you were recommended by Gretchen Jacobs your. 01:02:02
Lobbyists. Lobbyists. Sorry. Couldn't think of the word. 01:02:15
To terminate or. 01:02:20
Announced the intended termination of the contract with the AC and that has started a domino effect that has been. 01:02:23
Judged to be a really. 01:02:33
Bad move to have made. OK, OK so. 01:02:36
I asked you whether or not your attorney, Anthony Cuomo, contente Cuomo. 01:02:43
Had advised you to do that or advised you to not do that. And I understand he was not in favor of you terminating. He was very 01:02:50
much consulted. I'm not sure where you got that impression. We consulted with both our government relations person and our 01:02:58
attorney and I think. 01:03:05
She's not here today, but Jessica Belly was also in on those discussions. 01:03:13
OK, we're gonna agree to disagree, because I happen to know that. 01:03:19
I believe that it is true that he did not recommend. 01:03:23
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I can furnish the emails that took place between us. OK. So anyway, that action 01:03:29
occurred. And then in July of 2023, the Advisory Board, of which I am a member, and also Mr. Shipley is a member, they're both 01:03:38
here met to discuss the future of what we were going to do now that this seemed to be collapsing. 01:03:48
And so we met and started discussing that. 01:03:58
OK. And then a couple of days later, I called President Todd Haney. 01:04:02
To ask him whether or not there's any way that the Board of Supervisors could help in the situation. 01:04:09
Mr. Haney said. Basically, we're done with HeLa, we're just done, and there's nothing that's going to convince us to go back in on 01:04:16
that deal. 01:04:22
So January 4th of this year, yourself, Roy, Sandoval, Chambers, Menlove and myself asked about the progress of the accreditation 01:04:28
that's occurring. I don't think you meant to say so, but you said really there's been no progress during the meeting. I wrote it 01:04:38
down. Yes, I actually said that we did not have the building box clocks in place to move forward. 01:04:48
Which is what we covered today. Yes, I understand. Yes. And I and I hope I don't come across as being. 01:04:58
No. Let everyone know and I and I warned you that this is going to become a public thing and because these are things that have 01:05:06
not been really in the newspaper or out there. I just want to let you know that this is not just a rash first meeting that we're 01:05:14
going to have we I mean I got ten of them here whatever been very concerned my. 01:05:21
I want Gila to succeed, absolutely succeed. I want it to be viable. I want it to be accredited. I want all of it to work out. OK, 01:05:30
So that's my premise. I think it's the best thing going at some point. I also met with a few of the employees that we have, a 01:05:38
couple of them here today at Hila, and they expressed their support for you. They felt that you were the right person in the right 01:05:45
place. 01:05:53
To do the job. 01:06:01
I did tell them that seemed to be the absolute opposite of. 01:06:03
Others that I have spoken to in the medical fields at the hospitals, MHA, the people that are very concerned about the nursing 01:06:09
program, it was mentioned that there was some things purchased for that program. There's been a lot of money invested into the 01:06:16
nursing program which now is in along with the cosmetology being that it's a two year program. We're having some struggles there 01:06:23
because EAC doesn't want to sign up anyone. 01:06:30
For one year, for one year, we would have one GAAP year, OK. 01:06:39
Now in the scenario, worst case scenario, yes. On the 16th of January, the Board of Supervisors met in executive session to see 01:06:44
whether or not there was anything we could do, and it seemed to be determined that we had no legal premise to do that. So February 01:06:52
16th, the Advisory Board met again and this was probably a fairly uncomfortable meeting for Mr. Shipley, but. 01:07:01
The rest of the board member members were recommending that that you yourself resigned from the district. 01:07:10
And OK. And Preston Pollock on March 14th resigned from the board. So he could not work with you or the way the board was being 01:07:22
conducted. So this piece of paper interesting is yours. 01:07:31
The current leadership remains intact. That's been a point of contention, actually. 01:07:43
Higher education background, that's good accreditation experience that you've claimed and so and momentum. So I think momentum has 01:07:50
been heavily damaged and the accreditation experience does not seem to be getting us closer at the moment and and I know I'm being 01:07:57
very critical. 01:08:04
Um. 01:08:13
The IGA with Healer County, the financial support and the community goodwill. So I'm experiencing where I'm at a lot of community 01:08:14
that is not in a Goodwill. This actually is today's paper and had a little article. I don't know if you saw that, yeah, GCC is 01:08:21
that, Cliffhanger continues. So I didn't like the article. I'm not endorsing it. I'm just saying that the perception out there is 01:08:27
that. 01:08:33
That there has not been a course correction. 01:08:41
That most people feel, need to have happen. 01:08:45
Let me know when I can respond. Yeah, sure. Go ahead. First of all, if you check the IGA that was written with the county, it was 01:08:50
five years with the option of adding an additional five years because the expectation would be the accreditation process would 01:08:58
take 5 to 10 years. Every time we started it, we had some kind of obstacle put in our way. We weren't allowed to communicate with 01:09:06
our employees. We did not have access to our financial records. A lot of things happened. 01:09:14
We shifted gears. We shifted course and went with a CCJC instead of higher learning Commission. That has shortened it from 5 to 10 01:09:22
years to we will most likely have accreditation within 18 months I believe. So we have shifted course. We have tried not to look 01:09:32
in the rearview mirror, but I know it's important for other people to do so. But. 01:09:41
We got Delta Hand. We walked into something we shouldn't have walked into, but we have. 01:09:52
Done. Everything possible. 01:09:58
Not everything possible. We have done more than you could expect from any individuals working under honestly very oppressive 01:10:01
conditions. We have fought, we have banded together. We have people here who can attest to how much work goes into all of this. 01:10:11
And I guess the thing that I take objection to is that I have that that there's been any kind of. 01:10:21
Lack of integrity or responsibility on my heart. 01:10:33
OK, I have done and I have in order for us to terminate that contract, we have minutes of the executive session with our attorney. 01:10:37
OK. So I'm very happy to furnish that, yes. And I swore I wouldn't do this, so I will let her take over. 01:10:46
So. 01:10:56
Again, there was a statement made about. 01:10:58
Accurate because I have been part of some of these discussions both in with the attorneys and others within the community to 01:11:01
include the county and the state that we have full assurance that everyone was behind us when that decision was made around that 01:11:07
contract. 01:11:12
In fact, I would question where everyone was right after that announcement came. 01:11:18
Now I'll also state that we were also advised not to make publicly disclosed. 01:11:22
All the issues and concerns that brought us to that decision, my largest issue is I'm not a politician, I'm about workforce 01:11:29
development. 01:11:33
And I have never been more disappointed with all the obstacles that I have encountered. Businesses don't run that way. I 01:11:38
understand this is different. This is government, right? But business don't run like when we see an obstacle, we move it. There's 01:11:44
been so many obstacles thrown at us in the last two years. All I want is workforce development. I want it so my adult kids can get 01:11:49
an education, and I want it so many young kids to get an education. College four year to college degrees is not necessarily the 01:11:55
direction. 01:12:01
Anymore. In fact, I see people come in at entry level positions with four year degrees. 01:12:08
Starting like everyone else but trades, jobs pay good money. 01:12:14
Skilled labor pays good money, which equates to good taxpayers in he the county. Too many employees are working or living outside 01:12:18
of the county. I'd like to see the money stay in Hilo County and reinvested here. 01:12:25
Right. I've been silent through this, but I'm really disappointed by the lack of support from people that I was present for, said 01:12:33
We have to support. Thank you. 01:12:38
Do you have any questions for me? 01:12:44
Supervisor. 01:12:46
Supervisor Christensen AI. 01:12:49
OK. Yeah, go ahead. 01:12:54
Thank you. So we have an advisory committee that we put together because of the funding that was coming from the from the county 01:12:56
to the college, so that we would avoid getting a penalty, which mind you is taxpayer money, OK. So if we have to use money that's 01:13:03
in our taxpayer budget and then get penalized for using the money because you're exceeding the penalty, how does that help 01:13:10
taxpayers? 01:13:17
I'm not too sure if it's not from the door, so I'm just saying that doesn't make sense. So the obvious partnership was to work 01:13:25
with an under under governmental agreement so that we could spend $250,000 of Healer County taxpayer money instead of paying 01:13:33
250,000 + a penalty. So that's what we did with this agreement. What we did also was advised that we have an advisory committee of 01:13:40
people to represent a different parts of the county and different sectors. 01:13:47
I was on here representing Arbor and Chairman was representing the county. And so we've had several discussions about what's the 01:13:55
best thing to do and moving forward. The problem that we have with our current partner and I'm just going to say EAC is that we 01:14:02
have competing missions. The contract that we have within which they will not negotiate, which they will not change is that they 01:14:09
have to do all our accounting. How can you prove to somebody you can run your own college? 01:14:17
And you're not allowed to do your own account. You We cannot have any of the employees be our employees. How can we prove to them 01:14:24
that we have the teachers if they can't be our employees? So then we had to go through the process of setting everything up so 01:14:31
they can be our employees. So everything in the contract that we have with EAC, which you're being told is the best route for us 01:14:37
to stay on track for the citizens, does not let us fulfill our mission, which when the voters put it in was to be a self 01:14:43
accredited college. 01:14:50
So if we decide that this is a bad move, then we are going to be stuck with a partner that is competing with us. They took our 01:14:56
online students and counted them as their our students, our teachers. 01:15:05
And then when they took the class, it went through their computer system. And they decided because they went through their 01:15:15
computer system that they should be their students, not ours. We can't speak to our own employees. They will not give us the 01:15:22
financial records that we need when we need them. Why do you think our artists, not them? Not because we didn't do the audit. It's 01:15:30
because they didn't give us the data that we needed timely to fulfill it. So you tell me what is the best path forward? 01:15:37
I'm not that smart, so maybe I just need some help. What is the best path forward? 01:15:45
Thank you. 01:15:51
Supervisor Christensen, if I may just add a few things again before we could even submit what they call the eligibility review, 01:15:54
which that is the pre accreditation that says do you have enough capacity to become your own Community College? Do you have all of 01:16:03
these policies and procedures set up? Do you have the infrastructure built? Do you have an HR system? Will you be able to provide 01:16:11
benefits to your employees? What about the student information system? How are you going to get those students to register? 01:16:20
All of that has been this comprehensive push over the last 20 months to build this. This document that we submitted included 150 01:16:28
pieces of evidence that we had to gather and put together as well as complete A50 page document. It wasn't just like, oh, just a 01:16:36
minute and say you're good. No, it didn't work like that. Again, Miss Avalon explained that we didn't even have, you know, we 01:16:43
didn't have unemployment insurance. We didn't have state ID numbers we didn't have. 01:16:51
Anything, OK. And again, I'm not faulting the HeLa Community College board or anyone from what has happened in the past. What we 01:16:59
are trying to do is move this process forward for the residents of Hilah County. What we have accomplished once we decided we are 01:17:07
just going to focus completely on accreditation. We we have had no success with finding a Community College partner, not with not 01:17:15
talking about universities, not talking about tribals, but just another Community College. 01:17:23
Again, it is a pre eligibility document. Once they review that they can tell us yes, we believe that you will be successful in 01:18:03
your accreditation attempts. Happy to answer any additional questions you might have. 01:18:10
Thank you, Doctor. 01:18:18
Supervisor. 01:18:21
Wow, I have no questions. 01:18:25
Well I guess I do, but not right off the top. But where I'm going with this is I would like to see the accreditation happen and I 01:18:30
think there's been an awful lot of work towards it from Representative Cook pushing a bill to help open doors for accreditation. 01:18:37
And the handout that you gave me is 13 pages and and ten of those 13 pages starting working on these projects in in July of 2021 01:18:45
as of April twenty 24th 100% complete. 01:18:52
So that leaves you with three pages that you're working on to work towards accreditation of what you need to do and and some of 01:19:00
those are from 5 to 5% to 85% completed. And so I think there's been a lot of work done and and so you know I any anytime you're 01:19:07
trying to do something different anytime you're trying to make change, no it's not easy and and like you say obstacles if you're 01:19:15
trying to change. 01:19:22
Sure. I mean, we're trying to be an accredited college so we can figure out our own curriculum so we can do what we want, what we 01:19:31
need to do in our community and in our county and and so when when you have to get approval from someone who's getting a ton of 01:19:39
money from what you're already doing, it's hard to take that money away from them. And and there's going to be roadblocks and and 01:19:48
and the difference of opinions, It's hard to believe that Supervisor Christensen and Fernando Shipley are on the same board. 01:19:56
To see what's going on with the college. And so anyway I thank you very much for your presentation. I thank you very much for all 01:20:05
the hard work that you're doing and and no, it's it's not going to be easy. So I appreciate the battle that you're fighting and 01:20:11
and win lose or draw, you know you you have you have to fight these battles sometimes and I appreciate what you're doing. Thank 01:20:17
you, supervisor hungry. I appreciate that. 01:20:23
What a discussion. 01:20:31
It's just getting us ready for the next one, so that's good. 01:20:32
Well, why not? Yeah, there you go. 01:20:37
So since you guys are going this way instead of with the higher learning where you would have to find another college to basically 01:20:41
back you up for accreditation, right? I'm just putting it real simply. 01:20:46
Under the higher learning part. 01:20:52
That we could possibly have accreditation by next July going through the Higher Learning Commission. They their their focus is on 01:20:57
the partner that we have and they continue to tell us you are not a member of HLC. So we can't really tell you that well we can't 01:21:03
really help you with that and EAC can do whatever they want to do to help you or not help you with that. So they're out you guys 01:21:10
have taken now sounds like it's a it's a good bet you're going to get there. 01:21:17
We're still looking at that. That year is possibly being an issue and that's where we would fill in with an educational partner. 01:21:25
Yes, but it would not be an educational partner similar to the relationship we have right now. 01:21:33
Because all we would have to do is contract for educational services, we would have our own. 01:21:38
We could take our maintenance people, our security people, we could take anyone that's not academic, put them on our payroll, 01:21:45
start our own business functions, OK. So you could get that year covered one way or another. Yes. And that that really is a lot of 01:21:52
the emails that I've been getting because we, I get a lot of them from nursing students worried about where you guys are headed. 01:21:59
And so that sounds like a doable route to me, that it's going to work for you guys. 01:22:06
And then? 01:22:16
Once you go through this eligibility deal and it takes effect, you should be good to go on your own. OK. So again, in conversation 01:22:18
with with higher learning Commission, once you get the the initial candidacy, they tell you it's three to five years before you 01:22:26
can be fully accredited with with this organization. Once we get initial candidacy status, once we get that and again we're hoping 01:22:34
for that next spring. Once we get there, they told us it's a minimum of two years. 01:22:42
In initial candidacy before you can become what they consider fully accredited, but at the same time we would be able to offer our 01:22:50
own certificates and degrees. We would be able to work with the Arizona Course Equivalency Transfer System assets to ensure that 01:22:58
our students general education classes transfer to the universities and set up those as well as award degrees and certificates. 01:23:05
OK, that. 01:23:14
That sounds good to me. Supervisor Klein, Supervisor Humphrey, Supervisor Christensen, I would like to thank you for your time. I 01:23:16
would also like to tell you it would be much easier not to go down this path. OK, we could, we could have just all taken your 01:23:23
money for the next 5 to 10 years and said sorry, we couldn't do this, this is difficult. But I guarantee you we are moving 01:23:29
forward. So thank you, Thank you, Thank you. 01:23:36
OK. 01:23:45
We have some difficult and. 01:23:54
Controversial. I thank you for the presentation and defending your position. 01:23:58
And my greatest goal to is to have the college accredited and succeed Mr. Kevin just argue over the process. 01:24:05
I guess I'll make a few comments please. 01:24:15
Sure, Go ahead. 01:24:18
I did have a question that on the Footsie program that looked, it's hard to tell what the details are, but 2023? 01:24:20
It looked like we the Footsie count is just a little bit over 400 now. My curiosity is as this rolls forward and perhaps nursing 01:24:28
students, cosmetology students drop out does that. 01:24:35
Is there a concern that the number drops below 400, which I believe is what is required 400 Footsie level to be a fully accredited 01:24:44
College in the state of Arizona By the state, Yes. It's not a requirement for accreditation. Once we have the candidacy or once we 01:24:51
have the ability to award our own degrees and everything, that will give us more leverage and we've been in discussion with state 01:24:59
agencies. 01:25:06
About the potential for that happening while the college is not under our control, we expect the Footsie will bounce back very 01:25:14
quickly. So that's a very good point. My question is, does does that put any of what you've laid out as what your path is? And if 01:25:21
it does drop people below 400, does that put it in jeopardy? What's your plan? 01:25:29
It is a requirement of the state, but let me also tell you it's only provisional districts that need to meet an enrollment 01:25:39
minimum. OK, any other startup online divinity school, which is I was in a meeting with one if they have 10 students and they are 01:25:46
accredited. 01:25:53
They're they're good. They're recognized by the state. So I feel like we that's another political battle. 01:26:02
I don't want to say battle. It's another political hurdle. But I expect our enrollments before all of our online enrollment 01:26:08
stopped counting for our Footsie was well up around 606 Fifty. 01:26:15
So I I feel like we'll be able to address that. OK, thank you Mr. Chairman. If I could take a few more minutes about the IGA that 01:26:23
we currently have in place. The the current IGA in item one says county agrees to financially assist college with funding in the 01:26:31
amount of 250,000 per year and support services to establish the college as a foreign and fully organized and regionally 01:26:39
accredited Community College district. County shall provide the funding outlined in this section in the form of a total lump sum. 01:26:46
To the College within 30 calendar days of July 1st of each year for for which this agreement is an impact. 01:26:54
Umm having the uncertainty that there is and debatable items that there is uncomfortable with that in the IGA that we are just 01:27:03
giving a check in the month of July of each year for 250,000 and the level of accountability level, reporting level of. 01:27:12
What the detail is and what the money is going to be used for and what it's been requested for. And I would. 01:27:23
Recommend that we. 01:27:34
Cancel this, IGA. 01:27:36
And I would bring it to you and item. 01:27:38
Number. 01:27:42
8C says the IGA may be terminated in accordance with provisions of ARS 38511 and goes on that we have to give 30 day written 01:27:45
notes. So sometime in the month of May, we'd have to give written notice to the provisional Community College district that we are 01:27:50
terminating this IGA. 01:27:55
My intent not necessarily because I do believe that this Board of Supervisors is fully wants to support and to do so financially 01:28:03
to help educational purposes within Healer County, the young people, the students that have been discussed. But that I believe 01:28:12
from what the discussions have been previously did that is your intent to further education, higher education in Henry County. 01:28:20
What I would propose is that I'm going to look at our finance director to include the $250,000 in our budget, but that the college 01:28:30
come and present to Ela County to you as a board supervisor say we want to we're going to use this, these dollars in this way to 01:28:37
lay it out. And because we have not had that for the first two years, we're not have specifics of how the money was going to go to 01:28:44
and what purpose or what goals. 01:28:52
Are going to be achieved by it and then after that money is spent at the end of the year that there's reported. This side believes 01:28:59
the first time that the colleges come and said laid out this is what the money's gone for. And this house has been spent the last 01:29:07
two years $500,000 would like to see that more timely and come back to you as a board of how the money's been spent. So there's an 01:29:15
accounting there's a reporting component of that look back at yesterday and another issue of a audit finding we had in 2017. 01:29:23
Said that. 01:29:31
Regarding constituent funds that the constituent funds that go that there we are required to of the county that we're required to 01:29:34
have that request of what the money is going to be used for specifically And then as a follow up to that. But there's a reporting 01:29:40
component saying this is how the money was spent, these are the goals that were achieved and this is how we accomplished what we 01:29:46
intended to do. 01:29:52
So it would be my recommendation to bring back in May to cancel this IGA knowing that as as a board that we're going to include 01:29:59
that 250,000 in the budget detailed that it can be allocated appropriate, it can be done quarterly or or however. 01:30:08
To make sure that the goals or objectives that you want to have accomplished and in working jointly with the Community College 01:30:18
Board that are all of our goals, are being accomplished and set for. So that would be my comments, Mr. Chairman, Members of the 01:30:24
Board. 01:30:29
So, Mr. Manlove, would you like for me to ask other supervisors to help you with the direction in that? 01:30:36
Let's have some discussion on this for a minute. 01:30:45
Go ahead. Sorry it is, but I I'm looking for. 01:30:49
A conversation, actually, to. 01:30:54
What's your preference at this point? Individually, you can you can say this is what my individual thing and then we can craft 01:30:57
something, bring it to you as a board. 01:31:02
Certainly can't the work session. Also can't speak specifics the direction that the board may take. 01:31:10
You want me to start, Tim? You want to? 01:31:18
Go right ahead. Thank you. So, so James, I don't know when it comes to agreements like this on just how how we can work these. I I 01:31:21
see what you're saying about having a little bit more accountability in that agreement. I for one. 01:31:30
Listening to the way these folks have laid out their process and their thing today is kind of opened my eyes on some things as 01:31:39
well and so. 01:31:43
I look at this, this, this right here that you guys gave us and I look at all the things that they have completed towards 01:31:49
accreditation and with what's left is just a few things that's already like Tim said earlier, 5% to 95% completed and so. 01:31:59
My biggest thing in Healing County is that this college remains in Healer County. 01:32:13
100% That's where I'm at. The other biggest thing I want to make sure that happens is that all of your students, whoever that may 01:32:19
be, is able to finish their their whatever degree or certificate they're after. 01:32:26
Without having to go anywhere to get it. 01:32:34
Umm, I wholeheartedly support the college here in Heala County. Without this college, it'd be tough Be really, really tough for 01:32:39
our folks. And so if there's a way that we can, I don't know. 01:32:45
I'm not a lawyer, so Jeff O correct me if I'm wrong, but if there's a way we can just make it simple and ask that you guys come 01:32:52
and give a. 01:32:57
Some kind of? 01:33:03
Counting as to where this money is going and how it's used and we continue on, that's that's kind of my thoughts and I don't know 01:33:05
if that's exactly where you're going with it. You know by saying we'd have to cancel this MOU and then redo another one or however 01:33:12
it would work, I don't know how we can do that. I will say from my standpoint. 01:33:18
If if we kind of sit here and stand circles in the dirt and nothing happens, this discussion from my standpoint is going to be a 01:33:25
whole different level. You know, because I really, I listen to all these people and they send me these these emails and have real 01:33:33
concern on what they're, how they're going to be able to finish what they started. And so to drag anything out, make it even 01:33:40
longer than than than you have to. I agree there's hurdles that you're going to have that's going to set you back. 01:33:48
But this is something we shouldn't mess around with at all if we can and if that has ends up being the case down the road Now I I 01:33:56
won't, I'll just tell you I won't even be for an Mou, you know if that was the case. But you guys have been kind of kind of 01:34:03
struggling here lately it sounds like today and trying to get back on track and I totally appreciate that. And I want to see you 01:34:11
get back on track and get this accreditation done and we can move forward. Tim that's my part of it. 01:34:18
If I can just respond, Supervisor Klein, I'm certainly not doing this for the glory and definitely not for the money. I'm doing it 01:34:26
because I took a oath to represent the best interest of the residents of Hewlett County and the taxpayers. Everything that we have 01:34:34
done has been for that goal. And I let me just also respond the advisory committee that was created within the IGAI did see a 01:34:42
draft of the letter that never really was issued. 01:34:50
But their recommendation was to delay accreditation, which not only goes against the statute that provisional districts fall 01:34:58
under, but it's also the purpose for the IGA. So however you would like to support us, we would certainly appreciate it and we 01:35:08
would be very happy to do monthly financial reports, meet with you as often as possible. We can verify that all of the money. 01:35:18
And some of the college's own money is all going toward that goal. 01:35:29
As hopefully. 01:35:35
Yes, OK. I guess what I understand, Mr. Minlove, is that being that there hasn't been a report for two years that you want to 01:35:38
cancel the IGA. OK, Well then my question is, is who sets our work sessions? 01:35:47
County manager. 01:35:57
And Chairman of the board. 01:35:59
So why for two years has the college not been asked to do a presentation on where their funding went? 01:36:01
I've been fighting for more work sessions forever and it got less and less and now we're starting to get some back. But they can't 01:36:08
be criticized if they can't be asked to present and if there's not time in 12 months for them to present. It's not our, it's not 01:36:16
their fault, it's ours. And so if you come to the board with a cancellation of the intergovernmental agreement, I would appreciate 01:36:24
it if you also come with a new one. 01:36:32
Going forward? 01:36:40
And that's all I have. 01:36:43
Thank you and I restate thank you for your presentation and all of the answers. 01:36:45
My point of view is that I have to protect the taxpayers money as much as I can. That's the $250,000. So I stand on that side of 01:36:53
it. I have to justify how that's being spent. 01:37:01
I do agree. I believe the IGA or any future IGA should have some performance dynamic in it because an open-ended. We're just going 01:37:09
to give it to you without expecting a performance at at some level I think is incorrect. So I think those are some of the 01:37:15
concerns. 01:37:21
So I have no ill will toward anyone, believe me. I really have been dreading the confrontation. But I. 01:37:28
I feel like many of the things I had to say, I just had to say I had to. I had to present them for what they are. And so I thank 01:37:39
you very much for coming. 01:37:44
Anything else, Mr. Mehler? 01:37:49
I just when I read the first component of the IGA stated that it is very open-ended, does not do not require any reporting. 01:37:53
And my feeling is that it should. 01:38:04
Stated stated that you as a board support education tremendously. 01:38:09
I don't think I hope that shouldn't be any doubt to anybody of your support for education. 01:38:18
Yes, I hope people come away with that. 01:38:26
Yeah, I don't disagree with that either, James. You know, the counting is good. We have to be accountable for our folks's money. 01:38:29
We have to do that and and 100%. And you know what I'm hearing the Jan and the board basically say is that shouldn't be an issue 01:38:35
and we should be able to pull that together as well. So you know. 01:38:42
Right. 01:38:49
Right on. 01:38:51
OK. Thank you. So with that, I'll we'll close that topic now. Yes, Sir. Before we go forward, there's going to be people leaving 01:38:52
the room and stuff. Can I ask for a 5 minute break before we get into? You can ask for 5 minutes, How about a 10 minute break? 01:38:57
We'll reconvene. 01:39:02
A10 tail. 01:39:09
OK. 01:39:19
Yeah, we're gonna break them, OK? 01:39:20
OK, everybody, let's call the meeting back to order. 01:39:23
And I've been told that we need to break for lunch. I know you've been sitting here for two hours waiting and so we're going to do 01:39:28
that. But I'd like to start off. Let's just go ahead and read this item. 2D is information discussion regarding Ordinance 01:39:36
#2023-08. It's the vacation rental and short term rental uses which was adopted. 01:39:44
By the Healer County Board of Supervisors on December 5th, 2023. 01:39:53
Now the the ordinance presently is not being enforced and so we're here today. The purpose of what we're here today for is to have 01:39:59
an open discussion, a civil open discussion on the various points within the ordinance that some people feel are either 01:40:05
unnecessary. 01:40:12
Or. 01:40:19
Too much or something. There's a lot and so there's quite a number of hot button points that we're going to do and. 01:40:22
Michael Driscoll is going to have a presentation. We're going to discuss it among ourselves and the supervisors are welcome to 01:40:31
jump in any point during the discussion and we're going to hash it out and then we're going to get to a point where we're going to 01:40:37
open it up to. 01:40:43
Public input. And So what I'd like to do is since I'm the chairman, I have a certain level of discretion about who speaks and how 01:40:50
long and and all of those kind of things. So the thing I'm going to really ask everybody is that we just don't introduce drama. We 01:40:58
don't need drama. We're having an open discussion about concerns that you have. 01:41:05
I don't and I don't need a lot of redundancy. So 20 people want to speak and they all say exactly the same thing, Just understand 01:41:15
we've heard that okay. So if we've heard it, even though you have a strong desire to speak, if it's the same stuff, we've we've 01:41:22
heard it okay. And we have several things that we've done. We've done a survey, I've received a lot of emails and we put those 01:41:29
together to see. 01:41:36
How that looks and all of that, I want to say that personally I absolutely support short term rentals in Healer County have said 01:41:44
that I don't that's not true. I believe they bring a great deal of opportunity and economy to heal a county. So this all started 01:41:52
many, many months ago, years ago. 01:42:00
With complaints in neighborhoods about someone that was not a good actor, that had an STR and so we talked for quite a while, had 01:42:09
several work sessions on it, decided we should likely have regulation in place that would help us to understand who they are, 01:42:19
where they are and what's expected of them as they are literally a business in a neighborhood. 01:42:29
But we can't designate them as a business according to state statute. We can't charge them more taxes or anything. But it is we're 01:42:40
having a lot of people that come in and leave come in and leave. And if this is being disruptive in some way, then we need to know 01:42:48
that. Or maybe it's just someone in the neighborhood that likes to complain a lot and we have those kind of people too. So those 01:42:55
are that's what I feel. 01:43:02
Is what this is about. And so it has not been enforced yet. And so we're going to talk about a lot of the bullet points. But I 01:43:10
will say that I don't believe today we're going to get down to every single bullet point and solve every single one. What we're 01:43:17
going to try and do, I hope as a board is give staff the message that we would like you to review this part and see if there is a 01:43:25
way we can relax it, make it better. 01:43:32
It do whatever. And if we can just kind of do that without having to micromanage at this level. So then you can come back and say, 01:43:41
OK, you did not want for instance redundancy or overlap in the regulation where we already have a trash ordinance, So we already 01:43:48
have an ordinance or we have something like that. Maybe that's something we could review. We don't need the redundancy or the 01:43:56
bedroom occupancy or any of those different bullet points that we're going to cover. OK. 01:44:04
So Michael, do you have just a brief opening comment because we are going to break for lunch. Chairman, thank you. You've covered 01:44:12
most of my bullet points here. So I just have. OK. So we're done. Thank you, Sir. Yeah, I appreciate it. But I I could I have 01:44:20
about 5 minutes if I'm allowed 5 minutes and make a break. So what I'll do is I'll clarify for the board. One of the questions 01:44:27
we've heard is the $250 licensing fee. Where did that come from? 01:44:35
So I have heard in the past, I've heard comments about anywhere from 1000 to 1200 short term units that are in Gila County, mostly 01:44:43
northern Gila County. And we've been working with a a short term rental management company. We may possibly consider coming in 01:44:50
front of the board to hire to look at how many actually exist in Gila County and there's a difference between listings and actual 01:44:58
units, so. 01:45:05
1200 listings are in Gila County with an actual unit of about 450 to 500 individual short term rental units is what we're trying 01:45:13
is what we're finding out. So you can own a short term rental and be listed on three different platforms that's counted as three 01:45:20
listings but only one unit. So there may be that's where the difference is. So the $250 licensing fee was based on 500 units and 01:45:28
to cover one full time employee. 01:45:36
If you add that up, it's about $125,000 at 500. If the short term units are less about 450, then it comes out to be about 01:45:44
$112,000. That pays for one full time person and some of the computers and some of the other accessories needed for that employee. 01:45:51
So we're not charging exorbitant amount of fee to go above and beyond because the OR the state law says we can only charge that 01:45:58
fee to cover the administrative costs. 01:46:06
So any enforcement has to be covered by something else. So that's the clarification for the $250 fee. So is there any questions 01:46:13
about that Supervisor Humphrey? 01:46:19
Supervisor perfect. And then before if you allowed me to go over the survey results real fast and then and then prefer that after 01:46:26
lunch break. OK. So so as you know we had we had completed a survey, my team got together, we took some best practice survey 01:46:34
questions from different parts of the country for short term rentals. It's a hot topic across the country as you well know. So we 01:46:41
had a survey to get the. 01:46:49
Response from any resident in the county who wanted it. 01:46:57
To participate, and I'm telling you we had over 500 responses, which is extremely, extremely a large amount. I was hoping to get 01:47:00
over 500. I thought I was overshooting for that amount, but we got 526 responses and we asked several questions. And I won't go 01:47:08
over that because I gave the report and everybody here has a copy. If not, they can come to me and I'll emailing them. But of the 01:47:16
data that we've received, there were 526 valid, unduplicated responses. We wanted to make sure. 01:47:24
Nobody did the. Nobody did the survey multiple times, so. 01:47:33
So that's what we did with that incorporated versus unincorporated, 38% were incorporated residents, meaning Globe, pace and that 01:47:39
kind of stuff. And we had the majority of it, over 61% were unincorporated residents. So we pulled the data unincorporated versus 01:47:46
incorporated, they were very similar. So in here we're going to go over the data if you ask me if it's unincorporated residents or 01:47:53
incorporated residents. 01:47:59
The data is so similar, there's really not much variance all but a couple and that has to do with the background checks. But but 01:48:06
otherwise just consider the data to be similar between unincorporated residents and incorporated. The overwhelming majority of 01:48:14
short term rental properties are located in northern Gila County. I don't think that's a surprise to anybody. That's what we 01:48:21
thought and that's this survey is showing that many of the most of them are located up there, the majority 80. 01:48:28
80% of owners disagree with requiring background checks and for the purpose of our discussions, we're talking about sex offender 01:48:36
checks. 01:48:40
Might have been a better use of terminology to throw in sex offender checks compared to background checks. I think that might have 01:48:44
confused a little bit of some people out there. So for the purposes moving forward it would be sex offender Jack compared to a 01:48:50
background check. The sex offender check you can go on to a website for free and Airbnb and verbal if they offer that to the 01:48:56
people. The short term rental owners don't have to do that themselves. So I hope that's a clarification moving forward that we can 01:49:02
agree with. 01:49:08
That was one of the major contentions, background checks, and 24 hours prior and so really. 01:49:15
This is not the kind of ordinance that we're going to run around and check everyone and see if they're a sex offender, but it's 01:49:24
not recommended certainly that we would allow sex offenders to be renting in the neighborhood, correct? And and there's certainly 01:49:30
different language we can be left up to the owners to. 01:49:37
For their own liability sake to check on that. That's correct, yeah. And then you know about 57% of the owners agree themselves 01:49:44
that short term rentals should abide by code requirements for number of guests allowed. And I know that's going to be a different 01:49:50
kind of discussion later this afternoon as far as occupancy goes and things like that. But that's the date of that we post on the 01:49:56
survey. 01:50:02
And they also have 68% currently of the people participating in survey live near a short term rental. So a lot of people live near 01:50:09
a short-term rental, especially in northern HeLa County. 01:50:15
32% of the residents say they do use a short term rental compared to 31% say sometimes, right. So there's a lot of people in 01:50:23
county who actually use short term rentals themselves. They find some value in it, right Convenience. 01:50:31
The price whatever it is, they find some value in it and in terms of the comfort level of short term rentals in our neighborhood 01:50:40
about 42% of respondents reporting being comfortable. So we do have people who recognize our short term rentals and there's 01:50:46
there's you know 42% of the people say that they're comfortable having them in the neighborhood which is good since we have so 01:50:53
many in in especially in Northern Hilo County. 01:51:00
As we talked about the sex offender checks, 50% agree that a background check of renters should be required. 01:51:07
Where 29% disagree that it should be required. 01:51:16
So I want to throw that number out there. 01:51:20
However, here's the interesting thing about the survey is the overwhelming majority, 82% of respondents agree that short term 01:51:24
rentals should abide by code requirements for number of gas. You know, that seems to be a lot of concern out there is the parties 01:51:31
is the number of people in a home that are being rented out to. So that's a concern of a lot of residents. 01:51:38
We did include as part of this some challenges. We allowed the residents to go ahead and throw put in some of the challenges and 01:51:47
some of the benefits as well. Give us a positive, give us some negatives. We asked both of those questions and some of the 01:51:53
challenges people have with short term rentals in our area are the three top concerns were increased noise, trash and 01:52:00
disrespectful guests. So those are the three challenges that people. 01:52:06
Or having with short term rentals in your neighborhood. 01:52:13
And then some of the benefits are. 01:52:17
The top four benefits where availability of convenient lodging for visitors and guests benefit to local economy by increased 01:52:21
business patronage availability, availability of unique lodging experience for visitors and guests and increased tourism. So a lot 01:52:28
of people see the value that's brought into the community for for business especially as well as convenience. You know, it seems 01:52:35
it seems that the benefits and the challenges sort of. 01:52:42
Go hand in hand in this particular case. 01:52:51
Some of the nuisances we have listed, we we asked people to list some of the challenges again, what they're having if they live 01:52:55
near a short term rental. 01:53:00
Is. 01:53:07
So, so we don't have a database for past trash complaints. How many were short term rentals? How many were regular residents? So 01:53:43
some more beneficial additions to short term rentals. 01:53:48
The options were um. 01:53:54
You know. 01:53:57
People like the idea of licensing the short term rentals, but they also want to limit the density of the short term rentals. And 01:53:59
these are just ideas that people and residents have. I want to I want to at least make sure you keep that in mind. Some of these 01:54:05
survey results we can't do anything about simply because it's not in the state statute. 01:54:12
So some of the residents say we'd like Gila County to do this or do that. If it's not in the state statute, we certainly can't do 01:54:19
that. So I just want to make the board aware that some of the some of the results that we received. 01:54:26
Are things that we can't really do anything about. 01:54:34
ATV seems to be a big big complaint from neighborhoods to have short term rentals in there too. 01:54:37
They believe that short term rental renters are bringing in ATV's and zipping up and down the streets. So again, we can't regulate 01:54:45
ATV's or anything like that, but we can certainly. 01:54:51
Take a look at reducing the number of complaints, noise and those kinds of things. So, but in short. 01:54:57
Adequate involvement and I'd be happy to answer any questions. The last few pages of the survey are just all the comments that the 01:55:37
residents put on the survey. Good, negative. Whatever it was we just we just went ahead and included in in the in the survey 01:55:43
results. 01:55:49
OK, after lunch we're going to get into a deeper dive. 01:55:57
Anything you'd like to ask right now over Humphrey? 01:56:00
No, I'm good to provide the client. I'm good as well. Yeah. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Let's go ahead and break for lunch. 01:56:04
How long, how long do we want to go? 01:56:09
10 seconds. 01:56:17
Mr. Adam Ball, come on forward. 01:56:20
10 seconds. You. Obviously you're not a minister. I've driven 2 hours for this meeting. I have to catch a flight and leave at 01:56:23
1:30. I'm afraid I won't be able to represent the 200. 01:56:29
So now I have to 10 seconds. Can I have 5 minutes? 01:56:36
You know you are trying to convince us for change, right? 01:56:44
Listen, I left the tie at home for this reason. I know immediately. OK, Adam, go ahead, please. I know you have a lot invested 01:56:48
into this and and all of that. So let's 5 minutes, OK? 01:56:54
Appreciate that there's 250 people that are expecting me to speak on their behalf and didn't come this meeting today and I 01:57:01
intentionally tried to quell them down so that way it was a productive meeting. You have the materials and you've been very 01:57:07
gracious for the time to meet one-on-one. I felt your generosity and understanding as we've shared this issue. I think the survey 01:57:13
was valuable. The one flaw in the survey is it includes data from incorporated peoples, so for graphing an ordinance for 01:57:20
unincorporated county properties. 01:57:26
I don't know if it's worthy of the consideration to consider. What do annexed individuals think about this because this ordinance 01:57:32
doesn't apply to them. It would be interesting to see what the data show if we just focus on the unincorporated folks that we 01:57:37
respond to. That's more of a side point than anything else. 01:57:42
I've had a chance to visit you and I think you can appreciate our concerns. 01:57:48
We see the value of ordinance. We see the value of licensing. We see the value of regulation. I personally believe good regulation 01:57:51
elevates the quality of the host and the operations in an area. I look forward to something like that. I just want to make sure 01:57:58
that A, is consistent with state law and B, it's reasonable. And to the extent that you've seen before, we propose things that 01:58:05
implement like some warning opportunities before we just jump to violations. 01:58:11
We proposed some language regarding limiting, removing the cap on number of occupants, the proposed language regarding consistency 01:58:19
with the state statute and I think you have good legal counsel that should be able to advise you on that. The ability to have 01:58:25
unique stays, things like TPS and tiny homes are actually really fun uses that people want to stay at that they don't get to stay 01:58:31
at a typical hotel. We shouldn't be precluding them. We should be considering how we can include them. 01:58:38
I can appreciate the role you sit in. 01:58:46
I think you want to be responsive to your constituents who express concerns. But I also think your constituency represents the 01:58:49
folks in this room and in striking a balance is hard to do. 01:58:53
Which is why I've given you some legislative red line edits that I've shared with you and the County Attorney's office. At a 01:58:59
minimum, if you're going to instruct your city manager, county manager to consider some changes, I hope you direct them at least 01:59:06
to the draft ordinance that we provided. Because what you'll see is it it strengthens your your code, it brings into compliance 01:59:13
with the state statute, and it puts forth regulations that make this a far more reasonable regulation. 01:59:20
I think I've probably used up most of my 5 minutes and this is your document and we all have it. And thank you for doing that 01:59:28
because it's very clear and your recommendations I think. 01:59:34
I think we should review and see about whether or not this would be an appropriate direction. Thank you. And that that reflects, 01:59:41
it's not my document, it reflects the input of all the folks in the northern part of the area and in combination with folks from 01:59:47
young, I just try to put their words down in a way that could be comprehended there. 01:59:54
So Adam, for the most part, you know, I've talked a lot with Bob too as well. But everything that you guys have have been on here. 02:00:02
I've, I've read through it all and it's very reasonable. There's some things I think we need to look at a little tighter. But for 02:00:09
the most part you you mentioned 250 people. They're all in favor of this, the folks that we work with in the northern part. That 02:00:16
is correct. And I think Bob Turner has vetted this with the young folks. 02:00:23
I don't know how many groups he represents, but I would say it's a substantial group. 02:00:31
We've also had a larger Healer County Facebook page, so this has been shared with all them. 02:00:35
I just want to make sure I could summarize everyone's comments so it wasn't just a partisan ish. 02:00:40
Well, from my standpoint, you guys did an awesome job. I'm not saying that that's that's where it's going to end up totally. But 02:00:46
that's a very, very good starting point. So just so you know, thank you. You've been just your time. I know lunch is important. I 02:00:53
just want to make sure I had a chance to not disappoint the people who are relying on us to communicate this message to you today. 02:01:00
Well, I'm happy we were able to accommodate you and have a good flight wherever you're going, but to to pull together. 02:01:06
That's 250 people we don't have to try to get information from and so thank you very much and also too we have gone an extensive 02:01:48
looking for information other states other counties other cities on what they've done to try to help be fair and and find a happy 02:01:56
medium and and so anyway hopefully between all of this information we we can get and I don't I don't think everybody's going to 02:02:04
win. 02:02:11
Everybody's gonna have to lose a little but but thank you very much and I and I think maybe we can work on it and and and work 02:02:20
with staff to see where we can go and and government moves real slow So you know if we if we if we advise staff to look at it 02:02:28
don't say well it's been six months it's like yeah we're three years behind. So standing on because we we do but but you know not 02:02:37
only do we have to kind of hash it up make decisions then then the County Attorney has it. 02:02:45
Approve those as well. So, so thank you very much for the information and it's something we'll look at. Like I said, it's going to 02:02:54
take some time. 02:03:00
To consolidate everyone's comments on our side and try to calm the emotions down. And I hope that today you'll see a more of a 02:03:07
reasonable approach from the folks who are in the audience in which you may be experiencing the past. I think that's what our goal 02:03:13
communicating within the last 30 days was. So this is a productive meeting for you guys. 02:03:19
I know we'll have some collaboration going forward. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Adam. Thank you. Let's break for lunch 02:03:26
for. 02:03:29
3030 minutes, 12:45 enough time, OK. 02:03:33
Michael is done with his presentation. It was kind of quick but just talked about the different statistics and stuff. I just 02:03:39
wanted to share real quick as well that Melissa, my executive went ahead and looked at some of the other short term rental 02:03:45
regulations in the United States. 02:03:51
And they are in some places very, very suppressive and we don't want to be that way. You don't want to have one and Telluride, OK, 02:03:59
you don't want to have one in New York City. You don't want to have one in Austin, OK. What we're what we have in our regulation 02:04:06
or our ordinance is by far. 02:04:13
Less invasive and that's how I would like to continue approaching this as a conservative. I think we need to have just enough and 02:04:22
no more. So Adam did a presentation, we have that document and we'll find that useful. 02:04:30
And most of the respondents to this ordinance, whether they're pro or con, 64% said we should have something. 02:04:41
OK. And so that's what we're talking about. What is that something look like? OK, and I have quite a few people here that request 02:04:52
to talk and but right now if it's all right with Bob Turner, would you like to come forward and represent yourself along with? 02:05:02
More folks, I think from Young, right? 02:05:13
And so with different sentiments in different areas of the county. 02:05:18
So please come forward and let us know what you're thinking. 02:05:22
You all create healthy document that created by us and just to reiterate how that how that was, Adam met with a bunch of the 02:05:26
owners in Pine and Strawberry. I don't know officially how many there are. He says about 250. And then I've met Adam through 02:05:34
because some people from young had gone up there and met with some other owners and then Adam got in touch with me. So Adam he 02:05:42
went through and he he actually created that document. 02:05:49
And I when I first saw it, I sat down with the people and young and they were it was a mirror. 02:05:57
Except there was 2 little points that the people in Young wanted added to that or a change to that document. OK, so are you 02:06:04
wanting to go through it line by line or you just No, I don't think so, unless the other guys want to do that. 02:06:11
Can you identify what is different between what Adam presented and what you you're saying that folks in Young were talking about. 02:06:20
Well it it actually the the you all three have the revised top the two things that that we added was. 02:06:28
That if you have like and there's there's a couple of these in young let's say you have one piece of property, but you have two 02:06:37
places to rent on that piece of property. So we asked it to also include that it would be one permit per property, not per actual 02:06:42
STR. 02:06:47
And then I, and then Adam and I, we were talking about it and we understand that at the time different properties obviously that 02:06:53
would be a different thing. And then the other one was the that if it's like one of the gals and young, she has ATP, there's a 02:06:59
couple other, there's another gal that has like a, an RV that she's restored and it's it, it doesn't go on vacation with them. 02:07:05
It's actually you know on the ground basically restored. It's an antique RV that should be restored and it's I think that's a good 02:07:12
opportunity and a lot of people. 02:07:18
You know, I think everybody that that Adams talked to and that's come to Adam, everybody from Young, we understand that you guys 02:07:57
want to do an ordinance and we just want to see a federal ordinance. And I think that through some of the topics in there like you 02:08:04
and I had a conversation about we really don't want to find people. Well then let's do a warning phase first and that's in that 02:08:12
document. Let's talk about that and let's talk about you know the like the, the initial permit fee. 02:08:20
You know, I know the state law allows for 2:50, but let's start at 100 and go from there and find out how that's going to work 02:08:28
instead of just jumping through the 250. 02:08:33
And there's also several things that don't adhere to the state law in the original ordinance. And one of the biggest things is, is 02:08:39
it says in the state law you have to treat the STR the same way as you treat the house next door. That's not an STR. And so when 02:08:45
you get into the two people per bedroom and stuff like that, then that's, you know, that you're allowing. 02:08:52
Like I said, we went through it and I think a lot on there. It's it's a compromise for lack of better words and I think it I think 02:09:30
it would work. 02:09:34
OK. Do you guys have any questions? Supervisor Humphrey? 02:09:39
Oh yeah. 02:09:45
OK, Supervisor Klein. 02:09:47
So. 02:09:53
I know that there are places outside of Gila County that do have the occupancy limit to them to the short term rentals. And I say 02:09:55
that because like all winter I've been in Queen Creek off and on helping with a deal down there and there's a group of us, there 02:10:03
was six of us and so we'd have to find a house to stay in that would accommodate at least six people. So in some places there are, 02:10:10
I'm not saying we need that in ours. I think one of the the. 02:10:17
The things, if I remember right, the reason we were looking at that was. 02:10:25
I think in Pine or somewhere that there's a place that was putting like 2025 people in it and we were looking at more from 02:10:30
standpoint of parking that kind of an issue because when you have that kind of a crowd in in residence that's on the street that 02:10:37
you got, you have all the vehicles parking dust become an issue, it blocks up streets. That's actually one of our complaints that 02:10:44
we were getting. So I know why we were looking at that to start with. 02:10:52
I'm not saying that that's where we need to be, right. But I I can tell you that's why we were, we were looking at start that and 02:10:59
then you know what went back to the septic systems and whatever else. Like when the house is built for a three bedroom house, it 02:11:05
has to have some kind of, you know, the adequate system to it yadda yadda, yadda, right. So that's where that was coming from Bob. 02:11:11
I, you know, I went through all this that you and Adam. 02:11:18
Drafted up and put together and umm. 02:11:25
It is good. 02:11:30
You know, all of this is a really good place to start. 02:11:32
Michael, have did you get a copy of this? OK, OK, I don't know if there is. There is there's a couple of these in here or at least 02:11:41
one of them I would like to address and that's the background checks. 02:11:48
I for one. 02:11:58
You know if I think it could be permissive. If you want to put in a background check, you can. 02:12:00
You know, if you don't, you don't want to. 02:12:08
But if you don't want to and something happens, it's you that stand in front of judge, not us. I agree with you 100%. You know 02:12:10
that's that's the way I would look at that. 02:12:14
Yeah, absolutely. No, that's just like I know you and I have had the conversation over the septic. You know that's you know if if 02:12:20
you go by the occupancy, it's still the owner's responsibility to take care of that septic. And let's remember also these aren't 02:12:26
constantly occupied homes. These homes get used for primarily on the weekends and they sit vacant during the week. And so you 02:12:32
don't have that load on a septic as if if somebody was living there all the time. I agree with you on the on the because you know 02:12:38
the state law. 02:12:44
And the ordinance say that you know you can't knowingly, knowingly or intentionally rent to a a sex offender. And if you learn it 02:12:50
about it another way, I just think that you know you're being. 02:12:57
Again, I think if if you're one, you don't get that information on the on the owner or excuse me on the renter to do a complete 02:13:05
background check as far as sexual notification. 02:13:11
And I have experience behind it, right. And so I think like that type of stuff I think you know the not doing the two people per 02:13:53
bedroom and stuff, I think this is a good starting platform in those build from there and I think that's important. You know you 02:13:59
mentioned the parking thing and and I've had a lot of conversations about that. If I'm in a neighborhood and there's a parking 02:14:05
problem and I don't know like obviously if it's a neighbor that's there all the time, you know live there next to me, I'd go over 02:14:11
and say something. 02:14:17
But if it's a short term rental, you got to call the Sheriff's Department. If there's a loud party, you got to call the Sheriff's 02:14:23
Department. And it'll be tough for the Sheriff's Department to track those things and hopefully they can, you know, implement a 02:14:29
planet more actively track them and everything. But that all has to be dealt with through the city laws or excuse me, state laws, 02:14:35
any ordinance that we already have. And I encourage the the county and the Board of Supervisors that come up with some type of, I 02:14:42
still can't find a loud noise. 02:14:48
Ordinance in Healer County and that might be a stepping stone. So I think you know with with the changes that we came up with, I 02:14:55
think there it's not getting rid of the ordinance, I think it would be productive. 02:15:01
So the if I may, Mr. Sure. 02:15:09
So the other one is the contacting the owner or designated person in a timely manner and what you guys have changed that too is 02:15:12
over the phone or by e-mail at any time of day. 02:15:20
And so I think, I think in my opinion that's that's reasonable. 02:15:29
I think. 02:15:35
You know, it kind of leaves for discussion about a timely manner to be able to respond. What does that really look like? But I 02:15:38
think that's a starting point. 02:15:43
You know because you know when something happens in these places. 02:15:49
Whoever it is, whatever law enforcement it is wants to talk to the owner and so but but that's a good place to start, you know and 02:15:54
then later down the road see if that has to be changed or if we need more in depth timing associated with that. So I just want to 02:15:59
throw that out there. 02:16:05
Can I touch on that real quick? So I'm a retired police officer from Phoenix. I was with them for almost 31 years and I would say 02:16:11
99% of the time when you need to contact an owner or a victim of something, usually 99% of the time a phone call will do it. You 02:16:18
know, obviously if a crime occurred and he needed to do a photo lineup or something like that, you have to have the person 02:16:25
present. But usually almost every time that is sufficient and you know and having and having that in the. 02:16:33
In the ordinance, some type of contact where you know law enforcement can talk and contact that owner could also play in favor of 02:16:41
the owner too because what happens is the, you know, the half the roof got ripped off in storm, the owner needs to know about 02:16:46
that. So it's actually that's actually kind of beneficial to the owners as well. 02:16:52
You know, so I agree. I think that's good. And I think, you know then at a reasonable time. So like let's say hypothetically Joy 02:16:58
and I are in New Mexico hunting and I get a call and something's happened. We need to be there. And then if I can't get somebody 02:17:05
to come there in my place, then a reasonable time would be how long would it take you to get back from New Mexico? 02:17:11
You know, something like that is I think would work well. 02:17:18
I think Bob as far as actually dwelling down on any particular section of this that would be going to that I I have out there that 02:17:23
I would want to discuss. I mean you guys talk a lot about on the fees, you know if you're to be fined is there 1000 dollars, $500? 02:17:32
Hopefully nobody has to be fine. I mean, I've I've heard a lot, a lot about fees and when I asked people, it's like, well, have 02:17:43
you ever had an issue? 02:17:47
Have you ever had problems? Well, no. I'm like, well, you're not planning on her here. So, I mean, so it really isn't hopefully 02:17:53
going to pertain to you. But I think a lot of people, they get worried about there because it's still the letter of the law and it 02:18:00
could possibly happen. And that's why we were talking about the fees coming down and having a warning, more like a warning 1st and 02:18:07
then you know, thing going to a fee and have a reduced fee. Let me ask you something. Yes, Sir. So. 02:18:14
Our I think I could talk for us here. Hopefully I can. Tim will correct me if I'm wrong. 02:18:23
But our biggest goal is to make the ones that aren't flying right to ship up and operate like everybody else does. I mean that's 02:18:30
it's always the the handful of bad apples in there that run everybody. And I believe our goal is to take and make those people fly 02:18:37
right into their business, do like you do. 02:18:45
Umm you cut the fees in half? 02:18:54
Is that going to work? 02:19:00
You know that we've had that conversation before. You got to figure out how many there are, you know and if you know because if I 02:19:01
think cutting the fees in half to start with is a good thing until we determine how many there are and everything. And it's always 02:19:07
easier with government to go up than it is to go down. And I think I think that's a good starting point. That's a good shove off 02:19:12
right there. OK. 02:19:17
I'm good. 02:19:24
Anything. 02:19:27
You'd like comment on at this point? 02:19:28
No, other than the fees. 02:19:33
Would be based on what it cost us to patrol the actual amount. And so like Mr. O'Driscoll said, at one time we were thinking 02:19:35
because of the way of advertisement is that there was like 1200 and fine, strawberry, well there's not, there's five. So the thing 02:19:44
of it is, is there are places where we can get better information and how many are advertised in multiple different areas, well 02:19:52
that doesn't count as property because there's actually only X amount of property then that would be easier to figure. 02:20:01
The manpower that we would need, so that would probably regulate what the fees would be depending on what force we would need to 02:20:10
patrol the units. And so if 250 was based on say 3000 of them in Hilo County and there's only actually 15. 02:20:21
Than that manpower would be cut in half. So. So going below what our estimated manpower would be would be something that we 02:20:33
couldn't do. But I think that's what we base our fee on is the is the can I respond, OK so it's my understanding of state law says 02:20:42
what it cost the county to issue that money and so the the having. 02:20:52
Code enforcement person, is that what you're talking about, to be able to pay those wages? Is that what you're talking about or 02:21:03
the actual cost of the issuing the permit? OK. 02:21:07
So I think we have. 02:21:11
Maybe some more information. So if you want to get his information to go to my, that might be a better slot. There's going to be a 02:21:14
number of costs involved in implementing this right? Chairman, members of the board, Supervisor Humphrey. So you have a state 02:21:21
statute clearly states that the fee and licensing fee we charge can only cover the administrative costs. The code enforcement part 02:21:28
would come from, you know, an existing. 02:21:35
Full time person that Randy has code enforcement officer that's not paid for out of these fees. So that's that's what the 250 and 02:21:44
the 250 is based on the 500 short term rentals that we calculated with the company that we're working with at $125,000 a full time 02:21:52
person approximately 50,000 salary plus ERE insurance pension that kind of stuff and the add up computers and stuff it would 02:22:00
cover, it would just about cover one time full. 02:22:07
A full time employee. So that's how we calculated that. I think we're sort of using different terminology interchanging the, the 02:22:16
fines compared to the licensing fee. So I think that's sort of what we're talking about. I think this gentleman wants to reduce 02:22:25
the fines 50% is that what? Well, no, the fee, the fee, the 250 feet, if we if we reduce that by 50% certainly would not cover 02:22:33
even one full time employee to administer the cost which would mean that taxpayers would have to pay for the initial. 02:22:42
Spanish to the counter. 02:22:52
OK. 02:22:54
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Church. So, yeah, we did have a good discussion. I agree very much on what we've been talking about that 02:22:56
we should direct staff to just put the minimal amount of language in when it comes to like, say the sex offender shall not went to 02:23:03
a sex offender. And we say that, and it's up to you to figure out how not to do that and shall not have excessive problems with 02:23:11
pasts. 02:23:18
It's up to you to figure out how to do that trash. And if your septic tank is overflowing and it's going to the neighbors or to 02:23:26
the street, then we need to assess that case by case. I agree. I support the $250 initial start and the reason I do is because we 02:23:36
are guessing at whether or not that's going to be enough. We as a county are not allowed to turn this into a business enterprise. 02:23:46
So if we discover that we're actually collecting way more than we should be, then we will be mandated to reduce that we can't 02:23:56
profit. Am I right about that okay so but if we don't charge it enough initially. 02:24:04
Then we'll be up on it immediately. And so we want it to kind of pay for itself as we start. And so I asked you and. 02:24:12
And I think I'll ask everybody else to kind of generically $250 is not going to make or break the business. I know you don't rent 02:24:23
out very often, but. 02:24:29
Think that's a make or break number. 02:24:36
I personally pay more than that for my contractor's license every year and it doesn't break me to do that. So I think it's a 02:24:38
reasonable fee and I think I would support starting with that number. 02:24:45
OK. 02:24:52
So. 02:24:57
I think some of the things that were hot buttons were. 02:25:01
When we should start this and there was discussion about it being fiscal year. 02:25:05
Appropriate. In other words, it would start July 1, not in May. 02:25:12
So that's a discussion we can have, but we may not be able to start it this July 1 and we would prorate that, correct Mr. Menlov? 02:25:18
Mr. Chairman members of the board to make these changes probably as Supervisor Humphrey noted that going through all the legal 02:25:29
we've got to go through Arizona County's insurance pool and the liability that we're accepting his accounting. All that's going to 02:25:35
probably take a few months. So I doubt that we're going to have to bring this back to the Board of Supervisors for consideration 02:25:41
with any revisions until. 02:25:46
August, OK or something like that. Then we could talk about when it's implemented. But I would recommend that we have another work 02:25:53
session to go through any revisions, paper input and then several months after, a couple months after that we maybe can vote. You 02:26:01
can vote on implementing absolutely. And I think the bedroom occupancy question is objective depending on the property and I think 02:26:09
we need to word that where shall not. 02:26:17
We need to word it in such a way shall not create a hazard, shall not create an over occupancy of some sort and leave it a little 02:26:26
more vague I guess rather than saying a number somebody's got a 800 square foot bedroom and they can put you know 15 of the 02:26:34
grandkids in there and then we say only two people can do that if it's a short term rental. So and also I think when it comes to 02:26:41
the fees, the 250, there's people that have multiple. 02:26:49
Short term rentals, They're on the same property or they're not on the same property? 02:26:58
Same person, same contact, same everything. I believe we should have one at 2:50 and then look for another number that might be a 02:27:03
relief from that if they have more than one. In the case of like for instance the hudsons if it's all right if I use your you have 02:27:12
one structure but you rent more than one room to different people, so. 02:27:21
Yeah, OK. But it's one property and you may have three or four different clients at a time. You would not be assessed at $250 per 02:27:31
bedroom. That's my point. 02:27:39
Well, I would think he would. 02:27:48
We really have 4:00 so. 02:27:50
So anyway, we need to look at a reasonable, like when it's multiple, how we should handle that to where we're not going broke 02:27:55
doing that either. Yes Sir. 02:27:59
Mr. Chairman, may I ask you Randy when it comes to licensing part is like? 02:28:04
Like Darren Young, I know there's some folks that have like 2 rentals on the same parcel number. 02:28:11
When a license would be issued to that person? Is it just license for yadda yadda yadda short term rental or does it actually 02:28:17
spell out the the buildings or the rental itself? 02:28:23
Trying to make sure I understand the question. Currently the way the ordinance is written is per unit, so per rental unit is the 02:28:32
way it's currently written. So in other words, if you had two units on his property, it'd be 502 fifty each. But we've talked in 02:28:40
the past, the supervisor about 2:50 for the first one and then look at a number for moving forward for more separate property then 02:28:47
we would start with the 250 on each property. 02:28:55
And then again go down to you know the maximum like is 4. 02:29:03
In a building, so you might have a you get down to nothing if for the 4th one or something, you know, But we've talked about that 02:29:09
with surprise Christensen about coming up with a. 02:29:14
Gradual plan on that. The first one would always be the 250 and then go down from there. 02:29:21
So. 02:29:26
Think me and you Bob talked about this I think when you brought it up and I could see where it would work like like if you have 02:29:27
two rentals on on one property, I can see that. I've actually had conversations that people want to build on a piece of property 02:29:34
and have nothing but short term rentals on it. 02:29:40
That would be, to me, a different circumstance. 02:29:47
So currently there are lots of people doing that, right? Corporations are coming in just buying houses and that's all that that 02:29:50
house can be used for short term rental. And if they have a mother-in-law's quarters or something on there, they tattoo and keep 02:29:58
going on and they want to see if they can add another dwelling on there to maximize, you know, the zoning would take in for that. 02:30:06
So there are a lot of people doing that now. And so yes, that, I mean, I don't know how we would. 02:30:15
Look at that as far as if someone just came in and built out the property of the maximum dwelling occupancy for a piece of 02:30:23
property, How we would know? 02:30:28
The difference between whether they're going to use it as single family residents or if they're going to use the short term 02:30:35
rentals. So I think we would still end up with way we're talking today, we still have the 251st and then look at how many property 02:30:40
or how many structures are on the building. 02:30:45
Moving forward and remember this is first year, we'd always planned on coming back after we did this and and said what worked and 02:30:52
what didn't work and we could look at all that. So we could we could do it one way this year and actually we said that didn't work 02:30:58
and then we can come. 02:31:03
Report to the board. One more question while you're up there, Randy. When it comes to like the lady that has the teepee on the 02:31:09
hill there and young and it comes to the folks with the little RV that they they rent out. And when it comes to the folks that 02:31:15
have taken these little sheds and turn them into the cabins. 02:31:21
We have the ability to work with these people to make sure that they're covered to use these, continue using these, right. There 02:31:28
are ways to get there, yes. Well, obviously life safety and and public health and safety is the number one requirement, so. 02:31:36
It's not. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, and I'm not saying it's not going to be hurdles to get over, but almost anything 02:31:46
can be used. 02:31:50
Is considered life safety. 02:32:31
I think pretty much everyone can get there. Just take a little bit to get there. It's not going to be, oh, I want to make this 02:32:34
tough shed. 02:32:37
A short term rental which we have and I called Tough Shed and they are not made to be an R3 which is single family living. They're 02:32:42
made to be AU, they're made to be for storage. That's how they're designed and constructed. So there's going to be requirements 02:32:50
that would have to go through to get that from a storage view to an R3. 02:32:57
Designation. 02:33:05
So, but it is possible to get everything there OK? 02:33:07
Great. So another big issue that's been brought up and I'll confirm is the response time or the the requirement of an owner or a 02:33:12
designee to show up within one hour of emergency and all that. Now we don't really require that with regular housing and so this 02:33:19
is where we might get in a little bit going on with the ARS as long as we have contact information and we make the best effort we 02:33:27
can to make that contact information. 02:33:35
Emergency or policing will have to consider. 02:33:43
If they can't contact someone, they just have to consider what they normally would do in a residence that no one is contactable as 02:33:48
well, right. It does say in the statue that they have to provide those contacts to us the one hour that we put in there. Michael 02:33:54
had talked with the SO when we were looking at this and that's what they liked. Thoughts. That's why I've got the one hour got put 02:34:00
in there. 02:34:06
But that's not that's only for public safety. That's not code enforcement saying there's trash out here, right? No. That's the 02:34:13
place caught on fire department and the so any first responder type thing. So that's not. 02:34:21
Anything to do with? 02:34:30
The normal stuff, that was just something that they recommended, so we put it in there. If that's. If they're more, you know, if 02:34:32
they can get ahold of someone and deal with it on a phone call. 02:34:38
I don't think that that's a bad thing, you know. So I Randy, I believe in this. It says for in a timely manner. 02:34:44
Which they don't give a definition of. They don't. They don't. 02:34:54
Government. So you know, it's one hour timely matter and that that's what we were looking at, that's what the sheriff thought was 02:35:00
reasonable. 02:35:05
I can't speak. I'm not sure if I I'm not a fire department, so I can't respond to that. Is that that's a reasonable time or not? 02:35:12
Would really help out. 02:35:57
Thank you. And So what I would like to see on the permit fee is we start with 250 and then we have to almost go to every other 02:35:59
unit because someone comes in, buys 10 acres and puts in 20 of these things. We can't. 02:36:06
Yes, that's different than a property that has like 2 on it, but it's it's really the same thing. We need to say we're not going 02:36:14
to forgive that property, but we're gonna do this one. So we need to come out with a system that offers some relief, but there's 02:36:22
gonna be someone that's gonna want to build a whole field of these things. 02:36:30
Live in the day before. 02:36:38
Want to buy a piece of property and bring 12 tough sheds and run them out of short term rentals, right? I mean that he was asking 02:36:41
if that was legal. 02:36:44
And I'm betting that's not an uncommon thought that people have and again I told him he can get there just we got to make turn 02:36:49
those use into ours. The way I look at this Steve is the fact that we have people out there that's had a couple rentals on those 02:36:55
their property for years. 02:37:01
I mean a lot of years. And so these people I guess almost like grandfather, they've got them, here's how we're going to deal with 02:37:09
them. But if I'm going to go buy 100 acres and turn it into nothing but short term rentals, it should fall under a different 02:37:14
class. That's just what I'm seeing, you know. 02:37:20
And it is a different class. I just don't know where and how you put that into the ordinance. 02:37:26
And that's where the language gets real tricky. We got a lot of staff involved with this. We think we could come up with 02:37:32
something. We're understanding the direction that our understanding the direction that you're wanting to aim. So I think we can 02:37:37
get there to accommodate that. 02:37:42
Supervisor Humphrey anything at this? 02:37:48
Yeah, I I think that. OK, Like you say, somebody wants to buy 10 acres and move in a bunch of tough ****. 02:37:52
Well you know right now if somebody has a couple trailers they have over so many trailers it becomes a trailer park which is a 02:38:00
whole different ball game than a few trailers on a piece of property. And so I think at some point we we we need to limit the 02:38:07
amount of units on a property without category and them into like a motel or something of that nature which would be under a 02:38:13
completely different umbrella than a short term realm. So we currently for the RV's, the trailers when you're allowed one RV on 02:38:20
your property. 02:38:26
If you have more than one, it becomes a RV park and then they got to come back to a rezone and come to the board here and get your 02:38:33
approval for for a rezone to allow that I. 02:38:40
So I'm on the same page with short term rentals as as well because then we would be looking at the same thing but two different 02:38:47
ways. I mean a trailer parts, a trailer park and multiple short term rentals is multiple short term rentals. You know if you want 02:38:55
to build a motel that's OK, but you categorize categorize differently than a residential. 02:39:03
OK. 02:39:13
OK. Thank you. 02:39:15
Anything else, Bob? I don't have anything else. OK. I have a few others. So, OK, thank you. All right, Thank you. Thanks for the 02:39:17
input. OK, So I'm going to start here in Globe. Is there a? 02:39:24
Serene, I'm sorry. 02:39:34
I have. 02:39:35
Do you think you can? 02:39:43
Point out your points within about a 3 minute time period. Absolutely. Thank you. I've been trying to find on the Internet the. 02:39:45
What Adam had and put into place, what I could say, and it sounds like it's probably very, very reasonable. My concerns are this. 02:39:53
Maybe we can get you a copy of that. Yeah, OK, He said he'll e-mail it to me. I should have him have it. OK. 02:39:59
What about when people lie to you? I have had many instances where they say there's seven guests coming, 21 show up. 02:40:08
Am I gonna get charged a fee? Probably not. But you are probably gonna get a call, a call that says you need to fix this. 02:40:17
Absolutely. I will take the call. And I I I talk to the people within the next morning because I realize sometimes people are 02:40:23
there the evening when everybody's arriving. Those could be people that are just visiting, but if they're still there the next 02:40:30
morning, they're overnight gas and it needs to be addressed. 02:40:36
The other thing I think I'd like to also is maybe have a grandfather clause. We have had short term rentals for four years and 02:40:44
we've had larger than two people per room for four years without any trouble. I'd like to have a a grandfather clause for that. 02:40:51
OK, so pretty much all of what I've written there and what everybody else says, I'm like yes. And that's all I really need to say. 02:41:00
Yeah. Can I ask you a question? So you you own a short, short term rental and just like you said, some people may not be truthful 02:41:10
upfront. They show up with a whole lot of people, which that puts more use on your house and your everything. So what do you do? 02:41:18
I charge them more money and leave them there, but usually if it's egregious I will kick them out. But usually I charge $25 per 02:41:27
person. I will charge them that and if they damage anything I'll charge them for that. 02:41:33
OK. Just asking, just curious because I can see you know, like going into these houses this winter, I mean they they're really 02:41:41
nice homes and they they're, they're totally outfitted and everything like that and if there's more coming in there than what 02:41:45
we're telling them? 02:41:50
As more clean and there's more restocking, there's more everything, there's more possibility for things being destroyed. I don't 02:41:55
want those people there either. The other, I guess I'd like a clarification. When I was reading through the paper of the short 02:42:01
term, they talked something about a. 02:42:06
What is the word where you have a database? 02:42:15
And you know, there's times when I've told VRBOI don't want this person to come back. And anytime they've lied to me, that's the 02:42:20
answer I give. I don't want these people to come back. What is this database you're talking about? Is this, is this offenders? 02:42:27
That probably I don't want in my home. 02:42:34
Do you know what I'm talking about here? 02:42:38
At the back here talk something about a database. 02:42:43
Sex offender. Oh, it's just a sex offender database because I would like to see maybe the county keep a list of people that we as 02:42:46
owners don't want to come back. We don't want to do that, OK? 02:42:53
I need to come out of my home because I use only the RBO. 02:43:02
So you do only use a platform, OK. 02:43:06
How many short term rentals do you own, 22? May I ask how close do you live to those short term? I don't know. We're in 45 02:43:18
minutes, hour and 45 minutes, which is about how many miles. 02:43:25
90 miles probably. OK. 02:43:33
100 miles maybe. Maybe. OK, yeah. And that's the other thing I was going to say is, is when you get some, when somebody has to be 02:43:37
up there within one hour, it's going to cause a problem. My cleaner has offered to be the one hour person to come and be on site. 02:43:44
She's a very good person. However, she does not have a real estate license and if she tries to do something on managing the 02:43:52
property, she could get herself in the world hurt and she could have fines and I don't want to have her half fines, OK? 02:44:00
Thank you for your input. OK. Mr. Chairman, Right. Jeff has a comment too. There's been a mention of being grandfathered in 02:44:08
several times and I don't know that we necessarily have the answer to that. I. 02:44:15
I think it's going to come down to whether a dwelling unit is safe or not safe, that it's got to be safe and we cannot grandfather 02:44:22
in a unit that is not a swayed safe dwelling. 02:44:29
I'm 100% positive you would find magnitude. Well, I'm just saying in general, your grandfather units. 02:44:37
I don't know. There may be unsafe units that we are not able to grandfather. So, so I started with that with the grandfather ideas 02:44:45
is because there's like 2 rentals on a piece of property and has been for years. It wasn't about the condition of the rental or 02:44:53
whatever because I I know that it has to meet the health and safety stuff, right, because it's for the public, yadda yadda yadda. 02:45:00
And so I I think that's different. I don't, I don't see where we'd ever grandfather. 02:45:07
Something in that it isn't, we wouldn't even need the grandfather or anything like that. I mean, it either meets it or it doesn't, 02:45:15
so. 02:45:18
OK. Thank you. Yes, Sir. Mr. Dalton, as you're discussing this, I'm. 02:45:25
The way I read the ordinance or the statute? 02:45:34
It says that the county may. 02:45:37
Have. 02:45:41
Okay better. 02:45:45
The way I read the ordinance. 02:45:47
Since the county may have a requirement of a timely in person. 02:45:49
Meaning if. 02:45:56
The call is by a public safety person. 02:45:58
And then there's a separate requirement that you can satisfy by a phone call or e-mail. So I think there's two different 02:46:02
situations here. And if it's a public safety personnel that's calling then you've got the one out on the one hour but a timely in 02:46:09
person meeting is can can be required but if not phone call or e-mail. So I I I hear the discussion going as though there were not 02:46:17
a difference and I think there is a difference. 02:46:25
So I just want to point that out as you continue your discussions. 02:46:33
OK. 02:46:39
Thank you and that's for all you to figure out. 02:46:40
Next we have from Payson, Mr. and Mrs. Cluff. 02:46:46
No, Sir. They never returned from lunch. I do have a Dan. 02:46:52
To speak. 02:46:57
Apparently, I did come back. I'm sorry, Dave. Dave. Yeah. OK. Thank you, Lisa. I'll get to Dave later. This is David Clough. My 02:46:58
number one, our residents or our our guests are paying over $500 a year in occupancy taxes. Where's the money? Where's it going? 02:47:06
What's being done with it? 02:47:13
That's not a registration fee. Where is it and how's it being used? 02:47:22
I'm sorry, what fee is that you're speaking? 02:47:27
Sales tax, the Airbnb pays. 02:47:32
Where does it go? 02:47:38
What's being done with it? 02:47:41
Number one. 02:47:44
Number two, we haven't even defined what a short term rental is. Is it one day 2-3? 02:47:46
Is it 2 weeks? Is it a month? Is it two months? 02:47:52
Is it a midterm rental? Up to six months? 02:47:57
Or is it long term rental? When does long term rental start? At one year? At six months? When? 02:48:00
The IRS says that anything less than 30 days. 02:48:07
I believe that. 02:48:16
By addressing my home. 02:48:18
Which is a class 3 property. I live there. 02:48:23
I have an Airbnb at my house. 02:48:28
And to charge me $250 for every bedroom that I rent out. 02:48:34
Would be onerous. 02:48:38
Very onerous. 02:48:41
Now. 02:48:44
I've been accused of being one of the bad apples. 02:48:46
That's absolutely untrue. 02:48:49
My guests respectful and quiet. 02:48:52
We provide a clean. 02:48:55
Peaceful place for them to stay. 02:48:57
And they respect that space. 02:49:00
I'm there. I'm with them all the time. 02:49:04
Now when they're going up and down the roads, I've only had two guests that have ever had an ATV. 02:49:09
Now the plumbers and the roofers and the people who come to work on my house. 02:49:16
I can't. I can't vouch for them. 02:49:21
So those are my points. I need to define what a short term loan is. 02:49:26
And yeah, I'm willing to pay the 250. 02:49:31
In in in in a registration fee. 02:49:36
It's for my address. 02:49:38
Where I have. 02:49:43
3 bedrooms and a mother-in-law arrangement. 02:49:44
So and then we need to figure out what's being done with the occupancy taxes. 02:49:49
And if you're not getting the benefit from it, why not? 02:49:56
You should be. 02:50:00
OK. Thank you. Randy, would you like to address any of those points? 02:50:03
I just respond real quick. ARS Statue 425070, a vacation rental or short term rental refers to the rental of any dwelling or 02:50:10
portion of any dwelling for a period of less than 30 consecutive days. 02:50:17
So that is the short term rentals. 02:50:25
And then it gets goes into what is the short term rental and what can be used and what can't be used. So but it is for less than 02:50:30
30 days for the staff. 02:50:34
OK. And Marin, could you help us to understand where the TPT tech goes? 02:50:40
Thank you, Mr. Chair. When we receive excise tax from the state, it comes in in a lump sum and we'd certainly be happy to put 02:50:51
together a report for you for a future work session that describes how those are split out. Both our constituents and our 02:50:59
colleagues here at Healy County are welcome to go to countysupervisors.org and go to the general fund revenue dashboard where you 02:51:06
can filter by. 02:51:14
The various types of TPT tax and see what those do across current and previous fiscal years, but we'd be happy to set up that 02:51:22
presentation for you for a future session. 02:51:28
Mr. Chairman, yes, I just add that excise taxes, Mariner said. Come in unrestricted there included in general fund and our audited 02:51:35
financial statements. They do, having been audited by the Arizona Auditor General, show where those expenses have gone they'll be 02:51:42
reported by public safety, large part of our excise tax. The most significant portion of our excise tax goes to public safety for 02:51:50
sheriff's deputies. No things that goes to pay for the assessor, treasurer, treasurer, Superintendent Recorder's office and a 02:51:57
number of other general funded. 02:52:04
Positions and general operating expenses. So those are all reported. They've been audited and reported of where those monies come 02:52:11
in, how much they are and then how they are spent. So I'm glad to. 02:52:18
Sit down with the person that questioned and point those out if needed. 02:52:25
It is a complex question to answer specifically, but when sales tax is collected, not all of it comes back to Gila County 02:52:31
government. It's split up in many ways so. 02:52:38
I don't know if that's helpful or not, but. 02:52:46
OK. Thank you. Mary, any questions over here? No, no. 02:52:49
OK. All right. Thank you for your input, Mr. Clough. 02:52:53
All right, so I have. 02:52:59
Vince Hudson 3 minutes, Sir. 02:53:04
You don't have to call me Sir. First off, I'd like to thank all you guys for the time and effort that you put into trying to get 02:53:10
this thing straightened out. 02:53:15
And I think we're on the right track and the main items that we have, it seems like we're getting those addressed. 02:53:20
The only really one that kind of stands out after listening to the parties today is. 02:53:30
How do we determine? Is it per unit, Per property address? Per mount owner? Owns? 02:53:38
When you own multiple income properties, you buy one license for however many, and that's the way it's based. So. 02:53:47
Maybe that should be an Ave. that we should look at as far as how to charge the pardons of the units, not by per door. 02:53:56
So if we do that, I think that will help solve that. 02:54:07
The deal with the child molesting and all that, that sounds like you guys pretty much got on track and that. 02:54:11
The personal owner of the property is the one that needs to determine whether to run a check on them and doing away with the 24 02:54:20
hour situation because we get a lot of walk-ins. 02:54:26
We do a lot of trail hikers where we're at, so they, I mean they come knock on the door. 02:54:33
So I mean, I think everything's getting on the right track and if we have a couple of these sessions, I think by the time we're 02:54:39
done, everybody can kind of come to terms and. 02:54:44
We can all work together to get it all solved. 02:54:50
We're hoping for that, Yeah. I mean, I really believe we can. 02:54:53
I think that's about what I have to say, unless you guys got any questions, any questions for Mr. Hudson? 02:54:58
OK. Thank you. OK, thank you. And then last should be Adrian Hale, P here in. 02:55:04
Here in Globe, she. 02:55:16
Adrian, you're from Young? 02:55:19
Please use my middle name because only my creditors use the first name. 02:55:24
OK, what I'm I'm going to address 2 things #1 the grandfather issue when it comes to building codes. 02:55:31
If a building is built under 1 addition of the building code and no changes are made to that building. 02:55:39
Then it's grandfathered through the next code changes. There are a few. 02:55:46
Items within the building code, specifically the fire code, that are retroactive, such as smoke alarms, carbon monoxide alarms, 02:55:52
those kinds of things. So just as a clarification for that, and to give you some of my background, I've served on numerous 02:56:00
International Code Council committees numerous. 02:56:07
National Fire Protection Association committees dealing with life safety. 02:56:16
And we've had some very controversial issues through that process. I had one personal one that had to do with home use of liquid 02:56:22
oxygen. 02:56:28
Believe it or not. 02:56:35
Doctors are prescribing liquid oxygen to some patients, and Walgreens actually will home the liver liquid oxygen to a home. 02:56:37
And so we had a provision in the fire code that I kind of sponsored, but what we did is we created a stakeholder committee. 02:56:48
And what that stakeholder committee was took people from various parts of that industry and came together and came to a consensus 02:56:59
on that, that particular regulation. I'm going to suggest the same thing here. We have a certain level of controversy for those 02:57:05
that are. 02:57:11
That do not like short term rentals and we have those that are proponents of short term rentals and we have regulators. I propose 02:57:19
that we that you create a committee of those stakeholders to go through this ordinance and go through the stuff that Mister Baugh 02:57:27
suggested and come back and bring that back to the Board of Supervisors. 02:57:36
So that relieve. 02:57:45
That work. And so that when it comes back to the Board of Supervisors, that group, all of those groups can come and say, yes, we 02:57:48
agree with it. 02:57:52
OK, but I think we're heading down that trail. 02:58:00
OK, Right. Thank you. All right, So I don't believe there's anyone else here in Globe. Is Mark and Donna Murnitz still impatient? 02:58:03
No Sir, they have left, OK. 02:58:16
And it looks like the last man standing is Dave Golumbiuski. 02:58:20
I also have Frank Church and Cindy Hudson, but I don't believe they're there any longer. 02:58:26
They are not. 02:58:31
Hey, let's just end. 02:58:33
Okay. 02:58:38
Go ahead, Dave. 02:58:41
OK, Thank you for letting me speak from Payson, my first meeting. I'll attend more that I know I can come here and taste it. 02:58:43
I don't believe first. 02:58:54
That the ordinance has any merit. It's kind of like a nothing burger to me. 02:58:57
You have a sticker. It says Adventure, Gila County. And I believe you're going to turn a lot of people away from Hilah County. 02:59:03
So your marketing guy you hired? 02:59:12
Is not going to do real well because a lot of Airbnbs are going to shut down. 02:59:15
Because they don't like the. 02:59:20
Ordinance or it's too heavy-handed. 02:59:23
The only ordinance I'd be for, and it's not even an ordinance, is maybe a unincorporated. 02:59:26
Business license for $50 without a Payson has a small business license for $40. 02:59:33
And going back, your survey was very biased and the survey came from. 02:59:40
It's sent to everybody in Payson and Globe and they filled it out and you know. 02:59:49
And it didn't even go to the people that it pertained to in the unincorporated areas. 02:59:56
So and your complaints came in from Payson and Globe, which doesn't have anything to do with this ordinance. I have a feeling 03:00:02
you're going to have 40 to 50 people sign up. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you get 100, you know. But I don't think it was worth 03:00:10
creating this ordinance. I also talked to Sheriff Shepherd and one of the supervisors said it's hard to get the sheriff to go out 03:00:18
there because it's an Airbnb. He said that's not true. He goes out on any call. 03:00:26
Whether it's a renter, Airbnb or squatter, you know anybody who goes out there if they're disturbing the peace. So he didn't need 03:00:34
an ordinance for that and I've heard from a supervisor always create more. 03:00:41
Affordable housing. No, it won't because these are upscale houses and they're not selling them at affordable prices and they're 03:00:49
not renting them affordable. So if the big picture is to do that, it's not working. 03:00:56
I myself am closing down my Airbnb and I'm just going to live there and I was going to just use it to. 03:01:05
Help with the mortgage and live there, but I'm not going to follow through with the Communist ordinance with all those. 03:01:14
Backstops or whatever you have on it, I'd be open for a $50 business license. I just think it's a big nothing burger and instead 03:01:24
of concentrating on this for the last year and creating a wildlife ordinance, that's another nothing burger that you could be 03:01:32
concentrating on the roads that you need to be fixing. So that's my opinion. I stand with a lot of people on this opinion that 03:01:40
this is going to be nothing. The towns. 03:01:47
Payson already has their Airbnb globes creating one. Fine, maybe it's strawberry They. If they incorporate or whatever, they'll 03:01:56
have their own ordinance. Star Valley will have their own ordinance. I think you're just. 03:02:03
Heavy hand in government creating a. 03:02:10
Compliance officer that you wouldn't even need. 03:02:16
So I'm not for it at all. 03:02:20
If you got a question for me, I'll answer it. 03:02:22
Supervisor Humphrey. 03:02:26
No question, Supervisor Klein. 03:02:28
Yeah, I think we're fine. Thank you for your comments. OK. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I enjoyed it. Thank you. I got to 03:02:31
go to work. 03:02:36
Yes, Sir. Hang on, Bob. 03:02:45
Well, come on up. You have something. OK, come on up. 03:02:48
Thank you. Two things I meant to mention earlier is 1. And I know I had a conversation myself and Adam did with Mr. Dalton and 03:02:53
with Mr. Pochamp was in the ordinance. And I was just trying to find it in there. And it was talking about like if there's a 03:02:59
complaint and how that in my opinion, in our opinion that complaint has to be verified. So just because somebody calls up and 03:03:06
said, hey, these people are causing loud parties and everything that needs to be followed up by at least an observation from a 03:03:12
sheriff's deputy or something like that. 03:03:19
Or what's your guys's goal for that? 03:04:03
Thank you. Thank you. 03:04:07
OK. The two questions, I'll answer. The first one is yes, every we're complaint based code enforcement and health department, 03:04:11
we're complaint based. So we don't get a phone call and believe that person on the other line. When we get a complaint, we go out 03:04:18
to the property and we have to have a visual on the complaint and then we typically don't even offer or cite a notice of violation 03:04:24
on the first time. 03:04:31
We basically will get in contact with the homeowner and say we received this complaint. Can you handle it? So that's how we 03:04:38
handle. We don't go out there and then just hand out notice of violations on the first time. If it's a repeat offender, yes we do. 03:04:45
If it's a repeat offender, we will have the documentation. Then we will, you know, we'll issue a notice of violation. 03:04:52
And in this particular case, so this ordinance sort of splits, splits the job responsibilities into two areas. One is the fees 03:05:00
will pay for the administrative costs. And then we already have a code enforcement officer on Randy's staff and we already have a 03:05:08
full time code enforcement officer on Josh Pack staff for the garbage complaints with the public health. So they handle all the 03:05:16
complaints out there. So that's how it split up. I hope I answered that. 03:05:23
Two questions saying to those, OK, so, so are you saying that the, the permit, the permit fees they're charged for would be used 03:05:31
to fund the code? Of course, no, I'm saying the opposite. They are not used to fundamental. 03:05:39
OK. Thank you, Michael. 03:05:49
11 Completely opposite way to know if there's noise and that's again, one of the most egregious problems we all agree is noise. 03:05:54
Loud parties, people being noise aware. It's a it's a product that I use at both of our properties, and if it's over a certain 03:06:01
decibel, it tells me it could tell other people. 03:06:08
That it would solve the problem. 03:06:16
So what? 03:06:19
It's an item the owner would buy the owner of your house, but that's something they can't manage. Yeah, that's that's something to 03:06:23
be left up to the short term rental owners, certainly if you have any tools. 03:06:30
Yeah. 03:06:39
That felt good. 03:06:45
We have one more piece of paper, Mr. Kevin. Is it corzite? 03:06:48
OK. Please thank you. Councilmember Board, I appreciate all of your time. I I came at a previous meeting talked about you know 03:06:57
Mike and I are developing up in Pine, been a dream of ours. When this ordinance came out it was a little bit of a dream killer for 03:07:04
us because we were hoping that to Airbnb to help kind of finance our dream of getting up there. I intentionally didn't submit a a 03:07:11
blue sheet when I got in because I know that we were trying to keep the comments brief. There's one topic about the fees per unit. 03:07:19
On one piece of property and it could pertain to us, we're looking at doing a home with a casita like a guest house. And so in 03:07:27
that instance, you know the the zoning ordinances are very clear as far as residential density per unit or lot size. And so 03:07:33
technically on on my lot I can have like four or five dwellings. Now each one of those dwellings can have a guest house. So you do 03:07:40
the math, that's a whole bunch. I have no intention of, of building it out one. You'd be jam packed next to each other. That's not 03:07:47
what we want for our residents. 03:07:54
But the zoning states that that's allowed. 03:08:01
Just the same, Mr. Humphries zoning states about RV parks and about motels. This is a residential use. Even if I maximize my 03:08:05
zoning density as allowed by the ordinance, that's still a residential use. It does not fall into motels or RV parks or anything 03:08:13
else. Now if we do have multiple campers there, yes it would become an RV park because that is is managed that way. So my point is 03:08:21
residential is residential and it needs to be managed as such. I don't think it's it's safe. 03:08:29
And I have 3 to 4, you know, dwellings on this property. All of that is at risk over that one license. If you split it out, pay 03:09:10
250 bucks, that one gets shut down. Got three more. So if you're really, if your goal is to try to create compliance, I think one 03:09:15
fee is sufficient. 03:09:21
OK. I appreciate that. It's a good thought. Something to consider. OK, Supervisor Humphrey, more on before I move on. 03:09:28
I'll move on and I'll have comments later. OK. Comments to what was said, but you think? 03:09:37
No, I don't. I don't have anything. I think it went well. I'm gonna close that. I'm gonna forego item three. I don't think we need 03:09:43
to hold on. If if you're gonna leave this completely, I'm gonna sure go ahead. 03:09:49
Yeah, anyway. 03:09:58
My hat's off to the people that rent their own properties. What you know, whether they live when they live in the property and do 03:10:02
it. I don't have a lot of complaints in my district because most of the people live at the place that they rent or they. 03:10:09
Inherited their parents house which is 2 blocks away and they're and they're using that. So, so my hats off to that. So when I 03:10:18
when I look at the at what started out to be a rental room. So the way I look at that is there's there's two different deals here. 03:10:25
It's rental room or corporation. Someone has property that they want to make a little extra money with. How sweet that is. 03:10:32
Somebody that wants to buy up an entire city and turn it in. 03:10:39
In Hilah County and turn it into an Airbnb facility. I'm not for that. Like like Sedona, their board had to pass, not supervisor. 03:10:47
I think the city they had to pass a law that if you prove you have a job, you can live in our park. Because of there's so many 03:10:55
short term rentals, buying up the property made the property so expensive that someone with a regular job could not live there. 03:11:04
And so I don't want that to happen in Hale County. And so where, where, where do we draw that line and how do we draw that line? 03:11:14
Which is why I asked the one question, how many do you have and how close do you live? OK, so where I'm at, if if if you live on 03:11:21
your Airbnb, we don't have any problems, you're not going to allow us to have any problems, OK. But not everybody wants to live 03:11:28
where their Airbnb is. 03:11:35
OK, I've got ten of them. I think I had them all out for 2:50. If you go to the store and you buy a roast and you buy five of 03:12:17
them, when you get to the cashier say, oh, you bought 5, you get $30 off. No, they don't. If you go to the dealership and buy a 03:12:24
car, I want ten of those. But they say, oh, ten, you can get 10 for the price of one. No, they don't. Because if you have five of 03:12:30
them, do you rent those cheaper than you do one or you rent them all 5 for the same price? So anyway, we're just in a discussion. 03:12:37
That's some of my thoughts. 03:12:43
They're probably not going to make an ordinance, but that's kind of my opinion looking at the big picture, because somehow we have 03:12:50
to control this and not let it turn into a dragon as it has in some of these cities. And so like I said, if you want to rent A 03:12:57
room, if you've got some extra property, believe me, I I fully support Discover Healer County. I want it to be a destination, not 03:13:05
a pass through, but but there's a happy medium there. 03:13:13
Somewhere. And so I'm looking at the big picture. I don't, I don't want somebody to own 35 and live somewhere else because then 03:13:21
they don't care about the neighborhood. They don't care about what's going on. So so anyway, my big deal When I work with staff, 03:13:29
we have two different issues here. One, are they renting a room or just some supplemental income or are they turning it into a 03:13:36
corporation? That's like moving into my living room and telling me my refrigerator is in your way because you want more space? 03:13:44
I I don't believe in that. So I I think, I think there's got to be a happy medium. But when I look at that big picture, that's 03:13:53
kind of kind of where where I am at as a supervisor as we go forward and trying to hit this happy medium. I mean, I I'm all for 03:14:00
them, but I'm not into them turning into corporations that just take over towns. 03:14:08
So anyway, Mr. Chair, I'm finished. OK, good. Just declined anymore. 03:14:16
A little bit, OK. 03:14:22
So short term rentals is like the number one investment right now that's out there. You can't go wrong. 03:14:24
You buy a piece of property at the house on it, You rent it out for however long you want to rent it, and then you sell the 03:14:31
property for more money usually than you pay for it. So it's a really good investment. I don't blame anybody for doing it. I think 03:14:38
that's that's what what you should be doing. We're all out there to make some money. Goodbye. So my take of it is, is that I am. 03:14:45
Fully in support of short term rentals. We just need to take care of the ones that are done it wrong and make them fly right. 03:14:54
That's that's my whole goal. That's the goal I've set and have been on all along. I want to thank these guys up here for having 03:15:00
this work session again and bringing it back up. 03:15:06
We we spent months and months on this prior to that ordinance and now you guys are aware and you'll be watching the other meetings 03:15:13
will be posted, they'll be out there. We hopefully will go back here again and we will get it right. The only thing that I. 03:15:21
And the question of is, since obviously we're looking at some changes, how do we go about taking care of the ordinances in place 03:15:30
to start May 30th? 03:15:35
Mr. Chairman, throughout the Klein, I don't believe that we have a date for it to be activated. That'll have to be by a board 03:15:43
action, OK, Actually make it effective and then we start charging fees and stuff that has not been established, so. 03:15:50
I honestly thought we voted on that. 03:15:58
Can you clarify that please? I always thought it was May 30 partnership. 03:16:01
Chairman, Members of Board, Mr. Menlo, yes, the ordinance does say at the end of May, but we have postponed that because of the 03:16:10
input that the Board of Supervisors wanted from the residents. So at this particular time, we're not going to fully enforce that 03:16:17
moving forward. 03:16:23
We're not going to move forward with. 03:16:30
So you wanted to force it off not fully, you always enforce it and so, So what we'll do is we're going to be looking to meet with 03:16:33
staff, county administration, come back around August for another work session with a draft and present it then. And then if, if 03:16:40
it's if the board wants us to move forward with that, then probably in September we'll bring the the edits back in front of the 03:16:47
board to the current ordinance. But until then, yes, we're not doing anything with the ordinance. 03:16:55
OK, you guys got it. 03:17:02
Mr. Chairman, short of time we'll bring it back to the board to make it official declaration by the Board of Supervisors that we 03:17:05
are going to postpone or push off to a further date activation of the ordinance. That be fair. 03:17:13
Thank you. We all got that right. OK. And I think staff has enough to try and work through. So it's not a done deal, it's a work 03:17:22
in progress. I may just want yes and and. 03:17:29
Mr. O'Driscoll, you said staff will bring it back to the board for a review. 03:17:38
Will it be, will the review be on our website so we don't get another ordinance passed that we end up with this again so that? 03:17:44
The 250 or 400 people or whoever got together to create this piece of paper, I mean. 03:17:55
Once staff works on what they feel is a good compromise of today, yeah, that's a great question. 03:18:06
Can that be publicized as well as come back to the board. So we don't approve something that that we just we just start all over 03:18:12
again. Absolutely Sir. We'll we'll post it on our website. 03:18:18
You know, anybody could look at the work sessions online for them being posted and I believe Kathy Melvin is going to be posting 03:18:25
it in some of the community sites out in Young try and reach out to some of the Facebook. I appreciate that and I understand 03:18:33
that'll be kind of a difficult deal. But but once, once once we get what we we think our staff thinks is good from what we ended 03:18:41
up with today, then that gives the public a chance to contact their supervisors. 03:18:49
Before we have passed something that we end up that the people that we work for aren't real happy with what we did. Again, 03:18:58
absolutely and for everyone here. So for a work session, when they post a work session, the document that we'll discuss during the 03:19:05
work session will be on that site so everyone can download it and take a look at it before coming here so. 03:19:12
Yeah, thank you. So work session means we do not take action, Okay. So the next thing we are going to see on this is a work 03:19:20
session Okay and that and so we won't be voting on it on that day either. 03:19:28
OK. So item number three, I think I can forego this time call to the public. We've called everybody. 03:19:36
Item 4. Cassandra, do you have anybody on the Internet that wishes to talk? 03:19:46
How many we have today? 03:19:52
OK, good amount so. 03:19:55
A lot of participation today, and it's been a long day long meeting at this time. Item number four, any of the members of the 03:19:57
board or the economy manager may present a brief summary of current events. 03:20:05
Mr. Menlove, do you have anything? Nothing further today, miss. Thank you. 03:20:14
Supervisor Humphrey Just real quick. Recent activities. I was interviewed by a holly block of Panel 3 News about the bridge. It 03:20:20
was night. We were standing on 188 for the bridge in the background. So they're getting ready to do a story I think with us going 03:20:29
to be doing the ribbon cutting. I attended a a Central Arizona Regional Council meeting CAG. I held a a dumpster day and Garcilla. 03:20:37
And that's always interesting. Attended at Brownville AG Day. Great to go out and see all the four age kids in action as branch 03:20:47
hands. Attended a candidate forum in Tunnel Basin and I attended a Friends of the NRA dinner and. 03:20:57
That does it for me, Mr. Chair, Any supervisor? Supervisor Klein. 03:21:07
Thank you Mr. Chair. On April 17th we had small counties in Phoenix. On the 18th I attended the County Supervisors Association and 03:21:12
was voted in as. 03:21:17
Voting member in Arizona for the Western Regional. 03:21:23
Board and so I'll be representing Arizona on that board that that board deals with all natural resource type. 03:21:27
Projects and issues. So, so that's a really good one to be on. Last week I attended the Western Governors Association conference 03:21:34
in Phoenix and one was one of five on a panel to answer questions and talk about smoke impacts and wildfire impacts on the state 03:21:41
of Arizona. So really, really cool deal, I really enjoyed that. One is good. This week on Thursday and Friday I'll be attending 03:21:49
the Eastern Arizona Counties Eco field trip and we're going to be starting in Payson. 03:21:57
Will have about 55 state legislatures with it and we'll be taking them around and shown on different aspects of thinning projects, 03:22:06
logging projects and so forth. And we did, we did this see, I think it's about six years ago and it was a really good, good deal. 03:22:15
Get those folks out there and let them see what they're they're helping us with. Also our summer work program is out there. We had 03:22:26
some really good turn out number of applicants as in it looks like we're going to put together. 03:22:32
Two different YCC crews, one in the north, one in the South, and I know a bunch of you haven't been here before, but. 03:22:39
This is all money that's coming from the state. It's it's workforce money that wasn't being able to be spent in other places. This 03:22:48
all happened because I attended a Governor's breakfast in Superior and she fell in there and helped support this program to the 03:22:56
tune of about $306,000. This year. It will totally fund our our county youth program, including the YCC kids this year in Hena 03:23:05
County. Last year we had just, I think they were just a little over 60 kids. 03:23:13
Hopefully this year we're going to have more. 03:23:22
Pacing roundup put a deal out on it. Totally wrong if you read it, Michael. Use it to start fires in the morning because it was 03:23:25
totally wrong. And so I. 03:23:30
That's, that's where we're at with that. We've been doing this program now what, Tim, seven years? 03:23:37
Yeah, seven years. And it started out with two. And now you said last year we had sixty. What a great deal for that youth. Yeah, 03:23:43
and so. 03:23:47
Yes. 03:24:32
Summer work was it. 03:24:34
Yeah, yeah, and Young. We even had a problem trying to find kids to to go to work there for the regular regular youth program. 03:24:36
Like Kathy said, the main interest in Payson was the YC, so. 03:24:43
And I can understand why those kids are going to work with Forest Service. They're going to be working in about 5 different 03:24:51
functions in the government and so it's really cool. 03:24:56
That that's it, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Klein. Yeah, I read that same article this morning. Ian threw it away. 03:25:03
Basically said that I mean it. 03:25:12
It's kind of just that most of the money is all going to go South into penal and all southern part of the county. Do you think 03:25:16
that do you think that comment will make the paper? 03:25:21
But they'll be in a different context. 03:25:27
So you know, not everybody could sit right 100% of the time. So we'll just hope that maybe there'll be one out of the whole year. 03:25:35
Supervisor Klein. 03:25:47
You are being recorded. 03:25:51
I also attended the Brownsville. 03:25:55
After very nice, great program, the Browns really work hard. 03:25:58
Donate a lot of their time, energy and efforts. How many kids did they have go through there this year? 03:26:05
Oh, 100 or more. I don't know. It it seemed like a bunch when I was out there. There was just kids everywhere. They had five 03:26:11
different things in it at each thing. I'll bet there was probably 20 to 30 kids at each thing. So they will it. It was lots and 03:26:17
I'm and I'm sure we can get that information. 03:26:23
But I didn't get that information. Now Lori has dedicated a couple of. 03:26:30
Sheds like large sheds for a museum and so she's got family museum that shows a lot of the Browns and then also another like 03:26:37
things that used to be back at turn of the 20th, 19th century and things you know where they used to do stuff And she even has a 03:26:45
display of telephone and the kids were like. 03:26:54
How do you get signal on that? 03:27:05
No, they they really did not know that there wasn't a wire that would be attached to the phone. And they're like a wire. How does 03:27:08
that work anyway? So it's good they're able to see that stuff. And these were phones that I remember having so. 03:27:15
Anyway, tonight I have a Tea Party meeting and so I'll be going to that. Yeah, pacing. So that's all I have. So if there's nothing 03:27:24
else, then I will adjourn the meeting. Thank you. 03:27:30