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A. Information/Discussion/Action to authorize and direct the Gila County Attorney to sign and submit the required participation forms, including a general release, so that Gila County may participate, for itself and the Town of Winkelman, in the new opioid litigation settlement with Kroger Co. (Jefferson Dalton)
B. Information/Discussion regarding the possibility of waiving the $72,000 administrative cost for the sewer connection fee from the Gila County Community Development Department for the Tri-City Regional Sanitary District during the District's sewer line installation construction project. (Michael O'Driscoll)
C. Information/Discussion regarding the Gila County Animal Care & Control programs, operations, and facility updates. (Manuel Riddle)
D. Information/Discussion regarding the prioritization of future Gila County capital improvement projects. (Joseph Dickison)
E. Information/Discussion regarding an update on legislative activity in Washington, D.C. from Gila County's federal lobbyist, Patricia Power of Bose Public Affairs Group. (James Menlove)
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See if I can get my papers in the right spot here. 00:00:02
OK, we have Tuesday, June 25th, 2020 4:10 AM. I'll call this meeting to order. I've asked Jeff Dalton to lead us in the Pledge of 00:00:09
Allegiance and then Woody has a few comments. 00:00:15
United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for 00:00:26
all. 00:00:32
You guys, I don't know, I'm sure everybody here knows, but Tom Foster passed away last week. So Tom was the director of Bullion 00:00:40
Plaza, but he's also heavily involved in. 00:00:45
Historical stuff in for the state and he was on several different boards and was a real good member for us to have here in Halo 00:00:51
County and super good guy to talk to and be around and and work with. So I'd like to just take a moment of silence and Tom's 00:00:58
behalf and then we'll go from there. 00:01:05
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:01:19
Well, it looks like we have a short agenda, but I don't believe we do. 00:01:29
Not very many items, but it's going to take a little while to get through this. So I'd like to say item 2A, we'll start off with 00:01:35
that, but I'd also like to say this is Jeff Dalton's probably his last presentation before the board before he retires. And so 00:01:41
he's worked for HeLa County for. 00:01:48
I don't know how long, many, many, many years, 17 years. You've worked for us longer than that, though. You worked prior to that. 00:01:56
Did you work prior to that? 00:02:01
OK, so we wish you the best. 00:02:10
And happy retirement. And you've served Healer County well. We appreciate that very much So, yeah. 00:02:15
You're welcome. Item 2A information discussion action to authorize and direct the healer County Attorney to sign and submit the 00:02:22
required participation forms, including the general release so that he the county may participate or itself in the City of 00:02:29
Winkelmann in the new opioid litigation settlement with Kroger Company. 00:02:36
I'm grateful to be able to make this presentation for you. 00:02:50
Mr. Chairman and Supervisors, today I'm asking you to approve. 00:02:53
Healer County's participation in the next opioid litigation settlement. 00:03:00
What this is, is you have already approved nine previous. 00:03:07
Opioid litigation settlements against nine major. 00:03:12
National companies. This is the 10th one against Kroger Company, which is the national grocery store pharmaceutical. 00:03:17
Chain part of the supply chain of the opioids which have. 00:03:25
Been say that it's been a devastating crisis. 00:03:31
What this is, is a. 00:03:36
You authorize the County Attorney. 00:03:38
And he can sign a general release and the participation forms that are necessary to start this movie by the middle of August. 00:03:40
Will be determined whether the participation has been enough with the States and the subdivisions that the settlement will be 00:03:53
finalized. 00:03:57
And if it is, then their portion of the settlement would be around $1.2 billion. 00:04:01
Mean about another $68 million in settlement to the state of Arizona, which will bring the states total up over a billion dollars 00:04:08
in settlement. 00:04:13
These are important because and provide additional funding for substance abuse disorder prevention and treatment to elevate. 00:04:18
Those functions. 00:04:28
Happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Dalton. Supervisor Humphrey, I have no questions. Supervisor Klein, I don't believe 00:04:30
I do either. Jeff, thanks for putting all that together. 00:04:36
Yeah, thank you. And with that, I'll call for motion. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to authorize and direct the Heel County 00:04:43
Attorney to sign and submit the required participation forms, including the general release of the Elite county may participate 00:04:50
for itself and the Town of Winkelman in the new opioid litigation settlement with Krueger Company. 00:04:58
Mr. Cheryl Seconder OK, motion and a second to approve. Those in favor say aye, aye. Thank you and best of luck to you, Jeff. 00:05:06
Thank you. OK. 00:05:11
Item 2B Information and discussion regarding the possibility of waiving the $72,000 administrative cost for the sewer connection 00:05:17
fee from the Hewlett County Community Development Department for the Tri-City Regional Sanitary District during the district sewer 00:05:24
line installation construction project. I have Michael O'Driscoll. Good morning, Chairman, members of the board. So today is just 00:05:30
a brief discussion about the possibility of waiving some fees for the Tri-City Sanitary District, and I'll go into a little bit of 00:05:36
detail. 00:05:42
When they start construction. 00:05:49
Tri-City Sanitary District of their sewer line installation. Each installation requires an inspection from the community 00:05:51
Development department and we charge a $75.00 fee to go ahead and do that inspection and issue a permit. We have about 1800 homes 00:06:01
in this area and it's likely that we're not going to have the resources needed to go do all of these inspections because each 00:06:10
inspection requires several trips out to the property, not just one trip. And so we've been in discussions with with. 00:06:19
Tri-City and what we can do to make it easier for them as well as easier for the county. And one of the strategies is are we we 00:06:28
operate under the International Building Code through community development. And what the International Building Code allows us to 00:06:36
do is to have our chief building officer, in this case Randy designate a special inspector. Pardon me. What that means is 00:06:43
basically. 00:06:50
Apologize, I'm all choked up. 00:06:59
So Oh yes, Sir, thank you. 00:07:02
Thank you supervisor. So what that means is. 00:07:10
Gathering the paperwork and entering it into our computer system. So the discussion is is coming in front of the board and seeing 00:07:53
the potential of that $40 administrative costs, working with Tri-City to waive that fee for a total of approximately $72,000 over 00:08:04
about 7 to 10 year period. It's not 72,000 a year, it's not 72,001 given time, this project is is supposed to go 7 to 10 years. 00:08:14
For each to complete all three phases, so the 72,000 would be over a period of seven to 10 years. So probably an average about 6 00:08:24
to 7000 a year is what we're thinking in administrative costs. And so that's what I'm here to sort of answer any questions you 00:08:31
have and sort of hear your thoughts on that. 00:08:38
OK. And this is a work session portion of our meeting, so Supervisor Humphrey? 00:08:46
Yeah. Just one question is that the hookups will be taken care of by the colonial, is that correct? And and so I'm wondering if 00:08:54
that would not include the. 00:09:00
Inspection fees as well as the hookups. I mean, it's just something that we could look into perhaps. I mean, and, and, and I have 00:09:07
no problem. 00:09:12
In, in, in, in waving. But I mean, I just something I wanted to bring up to see if it might be possible. Mr. Chair, I think there 00:09:17
might be someone might want to speak to that as well. But if you want to come on up. 00:09:23
Thank you, Mike. 00:09:34
Thank you, Board Supervisors and Chairman Mike Krebs. I'm the engineer with Tri-City and I certainly hope 7 to 10 years is not 00:09:36
correct because I'm getting too old for that, but I. 00:09:43
Definitely the Colonia can take care of some of those costs. What we were just trying to do is to work a balance. We the the 00:09:52
district recognizes that the county still has cost that they will be incurring. And so if we can, you know, get somewhere and make 00:09:58
a happy meeting and I think the district and the, you know, can justify that with, with the the people we're just looking at, we 00:10:04
all know where costs are going. 00:10:10
And so every dollar that we can, you know, work to help cut costs for the project is is obviously beneficial to everyone. OK, 00:10:16
Yeah, no, that was just a question that I had and I'm it. It's great to hear that they're that close. It's encouraging. And that 00:10:24
that's all the questions that I had. Thank you. 00:10:32
I'm very supportive of the project and I'm glad to hear that that close and and if there's anything I can do to help, I'm living. 00:10:41
Thank you. Thank you, supervisor. And just to follow up on that question, we did look into that as far as who pays the fees and 00:10:49
our ordinance sort of requires that we receive a fee. So and there are government taxing bodies and we're able to go ahead and 00:10:56
waive the fee if necessary. Thank you, Mike. Supervisor Klein. 00:11:03
So Michael, just to get this right and like that, so we waved his feet and it's going to there's not going to be any cost to the 00:11:11
homeowners and as far as that goes. 00:11:16
The connection, the Colonia, the areas of Colonia area. And so because of that there is funding that is through the cloning of 00:11:22
grants, I think it's about 7 million that is specifically dedicated to hook up from the lateral to the home and then abandoned in 00:11:30
place the tanks that are that are currently there so. 00:11:39
All right. Well, thank you. 00:11:47
OK so I need help understanding this. Normally we would garner 135,000. 00:11:50
For this project, because that's based on $75, correct? And by doing this alternative inspection process? 00:11:58
It's reduced to $72,000. 00:12:08
Right and. 00:12:12
And now you're asking us to waive charging the 72,000? 00:12:15
Chairman, I'm not asking an action. Well, right, but you're proposing that and so? 00:12:21
What cost is it to the county to go through this process if we're not going to charge a fee? 00:12:29
Well, per per minutes we, we figured it out to be a $40 per permit. There's 1800 homes. So eventually when all 1800 get hooked up, 00:12:37
that's the $72,000 there. So over a period of time of this construction, it's administrative cost about $40 per permit. 00:12:46
And so we're we would absorb that correct. Absolutely. OK. And So what is other than saving some money for the Tri-City sanitary, 00:12:55
what what would be my motivation to do that just to assist them in getting the project done to decide to reduce some of the costs 00:13:03
that have been incurred that have been increasing each year with labor, with materials. Have we done that to others or are we 00:13:10
willing to do that to others? Or is this setting some kind of a. 00:13:18
Favoritism. 00:13:26
Scenario well running this by the county attorney's office, it's a it's a government agency so we're able to to waive fees from 00:13:28
government agencies. We can't do it for private industry those kinds of things because of a gift clause, right. I'm just trying to 00:13:35
protect the county's interest so I understand the other interests I mean that that's obvious I just want to make sure that if 00:13:42
we're going to take a hit that. 00:13:49
It's justifiable. I understand, Sir. OK, when we talk about some more. 00:13:58
I would just, Mr. Chair, if I may, I would just say for the infrastructure purposes. 00:14:05
And for the water table purposes. 00:14:11
To me that's money well spent and rather than taking a hit, I think it helps the community very much and infrastructure as well as 00:14:16
protecting our water tables. 00:14:23
I would, I would think too, Michael, by doing this, we're going to just transfer the majority of that workload over to Tri-City 00:14:33
Sanitation. I mean, that's, and we're going to save the homeowner some money and, and the in the long run from this, correct. 00:14:39
That's the thought process when we, when we appoint a special inspector, which by the way, we do on a regular basis because 00:14:44
there's certain construction that we don't have the expertise to provide those inspections for, you know, the issue to Co by the 00:14:50
occupancy permit, so. 00:14:56
Absolutely. That's going to that's going to save the county on resources as well. And then all we would do is incur the 00:15:02
administrative cost which is accepting the permits from Tri-City and the inspector and then uploading those to our system. Thank 00:15:08
you. 00:15:13
Given the balance of all that, I can see where this could be advantageous to do this. 00:15:20
In the long run. 00:15:27
Thank you, Sir. Mr. Chairman. Yes, Sir. Can I follow up on supervisor have this question and I just probably stated but I missed 00:15:29
it, but I. 00:15:33
With a colonial grant this several men that set aside, would that cover this day or was it stated that it will not? 00:15:37
Cannot be included. 00:15:46
I think that the Colonia grant could apply to anything that's related to getting it hooked up. And so if that permit is necessary 00:15:50
and part of it, it could be utilized, I would say towards that, yes. So it's something that's not been determined yet. 00:15:58
That we should explore. 00:16:07
Yes. 00:16:09
Thank you. 00:16:13
Thank you. Any further discussion? 00:16:14
I'm good, OK. 00:16:20
Thank you. Do you have a clear path, Michael? 00:16:22
You feel like sure OK all right let's move on Thank you Item 2C information discussion regarding the county animal control and 00:16:26
control programs, operations and facility updates and we have John and. 00:16:33
Manuel riddled. 00:16:42
Good morning, Chairman, members of the Board. 00:16:44
Manuel was going to present today, but there's a portion where he's going to talk about our Facebook program. So I'm going to kind 00:16:48
of lead into that right now a little bit and so. 00:16:54
So I'll go ahead and start. 00:17:02
So I've been running animal control for the last 24 years. I've been animal control officer for 31 years. In that time I have seen 00:17:06
a lot of big changes in animal control. 00:17:11
In 2021, I was loaded Animal Control Officer of the Year under the Arizona Animal Control Association. I do sit on that board as a 00:17:18
District 6 representative and I'm still on that board today. On this last year I was. 00:17:26
Appointed by Senator Kavanaugh to a community to with seven other animal control agencies and we went over several laws and tried 00:17:36
to make them better for animal control and try to get. 00:17:43
Funding and different help for eight for rural animal control agencies. And so I said on that committee. 00:17:51
And very proud of it. 00:18:01
Next slide. 00:18:05
Revamping the Animal Shelter As you all know, September 1st, 2020 we broke ground on our new animal care facility. 00:18:07
To get to that point, we put together a team of a lot of a lot of us. I know Michael Driscoll was part of the team, Homeroom was 00:18:17
part of the team, Paula. A lot of my staff members were part of that team to get to that point. And I know when Romero came along, 00:18:24
he always was saying that he wanted an animal shelter that was that had functionality. 00:18:31
And on August of 2021, we moved into the animal shelter and three years later, the animal shelter is running as designed. We have 00:18:40
no problems. It runs great. We run at capacity, which we have probably between 40, sometimes we have 50 dogs there and have no 00:18:49
problems. We can clean and everything's great. We do have agencies now that come to our facility and they look at our shelter 00:18:58
because they want to try to build their new shelter and they ask us how did you guys stay under the $2.8 million? 00:19:08
And I can tell I told one of the finance ladies, it was the team that was put together. We followed everything that we have put 00:19:17
out to get to that point. And that's how we stayed in a $2.8 million. And I know that made everybody in this room pretty much 00:19:23
happy. So, so we're really proud of that. 00:19:30
And I know I talked about myself, but if it wasn't for my staff, animal control wouldn't be where we are right now. And so I'm 00:19:37
going to kind of highlight my officers right now and my staff members because it it takes a team and the team that we have 00:19:43
assembled right now is, is. 00:19:50
You know over the over the top. So this is officer Manuel. He's been with us for a little over three years now. Officer Rio 00:19:58
himself was just voted animal officer year of the year in 2023 by the same there's on the animal control association manual does 00:20:05
fill in as our field training officer. He helps with new officers coming on training and getting them ready for the field so we 00:20:12
can do their. 00:20:20
Umm do their own thing in the field by themselves. And Manuel also sits on the board of Zakah and he is their Webmaster, so he 00:20:28
takes care of all the web stuff. Where where is that? So we're really proud to have manual board. 00:20:35
Alright, next one is. 00:20:46
Tina is the backbone of the facility. 00:20:50
Gina here is pictured with our mascot Heila. If you haven't been to the animal shelter, he lives on the right hand side and the 00:20:54
other dog is Lucky. Lucky Tina really worked hard with animals so we can get them transferred out to other agencies. And Lucky was 00:21:00
one of the special ones that she really worked with hard. And Lucky was a very scared puppy. When it came in, you couldn't touch 00:21:07
it. You couldn't really. 00:21:13
Handle it. She took the dog and she was able to get it friendly and that picture was taken in our HR office by Erica. And so that 00:21:20
dog was able to go to Arizona Animal Welfare League and got adopted out. So we're very proud of what Tina does. Tina does work 00:21:27
with two of our Arizona Department of Correction inmates. 00:21:34
Together they work every day. They start about 6:30 in the morning. They feed water. 00:21:43
Play with the animals. Walk the animals. 00:21:50
Animals get playtime. By the time 12:00 hits, everything's been walked play time and you can go out there and the dogs are just 00:21:52
content. They're not really barking everything and you can tell that they are resting. And so it's something that Tina has done 00:21:59
very well for us and we we, I'm very happy to have her on board. 00:22:07
Now these three officers, here are our newest officers. They bring over 60 years of law enforcement to animal control. 00:22:18
First first one is the officer in the middle. That's Officer Ben Anderson. He is a retired Maricopa County Sheriff's officer 00:22:29
there. He spent 20 years with them. Ben was part of the. 00:22:36
The lake patrol, he was part of the rope team, he was a Sergeant and part of the dive team. So he has a big background and in that 00:22:45
area. So we are happy to have been on our staff and he is our peace and officer. So he takes care of the northern part of of 00:22:54
Athila County. Next one is the one in the bottom with a big smile. You probably know him. 00:23:04
He's worked 18 years with Hewlett County Sheriff's Office. He worked in the detention there. He started off as a detention 00:23:15
officer, worked his way up through the ranks all the way up to major and he served a great time there. Decided to retire and we 00:23:23
were lucky enough to get him and we're very happy to have him on board. The next officer is the one on the top. Pictured with 00:23:31
Heila is Jeremiah Johnson. Jeremiah Johnson spent 22 years at the Arizona Department of Corrections. 00:23:39
Tired there and seeing the job opening for animal control was like, let's go back to work. So he's really happy to be with us. 00:23:48
He's a great officer and everybody is working well and we do have a great team. 00:23:54
On June 13th, just a couple of weeks ago, years back when I, when I first started on control, we would be, we were sworn in by 00:24:06
this year and for some reason we got away from that for several years. I'm not sure why, but we, I wanted to bring that back. So I 00:24:15
talked to Josh back. Paula asked him, Hey, can we revamp our uniforms? Can we get badges back and stuff like that? And Josh is 00:24:23
like, yeah, run with it. So we redesigned our whole uniforms and patches and we got badges and we were all sworn in just to the 00:24:31
piece. And so it, it's that was a. 00:24:39
Big milestone that we hit, so we're back to being sworn officers around. Controlling was proud of that. 00:24:49
So adoptions and licensing, this last year we adopted out around 100 dogs, 23 cats, and we've sold over close to 2000 licenses now 00:24:56
because I just checked it yesterday. And one thing that we're really, really pushing right now is microchipping. We're trying to 00:25:04
get microchips and anything that we can. That way if we pick up a dog in the field, we can scan it for microchip and we can get 00:25:11
that dog back home within probably 10-15 minutes. 00:25:18
And that dog doesn't have to come to the shelter, which saves US money and it saves the the dog owner money too. So we're trying 00:25:26
to push microchips. 00:25:30
On a low cost spay neuter. 00:25:37
I have. We did get a grant last year of $10,000. It came from the Arizona Pit Fleet Grant Committee. 00:25:40
That $10,000, we've done 35 dots, 12 cats and we wish we could spread the money out a little bit more, but it was only one bit in 00:25:49
town. It's really hard. 00:25:55
We're trying to get more vets to come to the Gila County or in at least this part, and I have talked to a vet. She runs the 00:26:02
Arizona Vet Direct mobile unit. 00:26:08
And she has. 00:26:15
Thank you. 00:26:56
Good morning, permanent and members of the Board. I'm delighted to stand here before you today to share the incredible impact of 00:27:01
our Facebook page. Since its inception, our Facebook page has been a vital tool in promoting our mission and connecting with 00:27:06
wonderful residents of the Human County. I want to point out some remarkable achievements that are are that we have accomplished 00:27:10
through our Facebook page. 00:27:15
The adoptions We successfully adopted about 25 plus animals to living homes E. Adoption represents a new beginning of an animal in 00:27:23
need and a joyous addition to every family. 00:27:28
We're uniting of animals back to their home. As John stated, we tried to not bring animals into our facility by means of 00:27:35
identification, license or microchip. If we can scan a microchip and get them back home within 5 to 10 minutes. 00:27:43
Again, it saves our time and it also saves a less household of the family worrying about where their animal is. 00:27:51
Our Growth and Engagement As of September of 2023, our Facebook page has grown over 3800 followers from all parts of Hewlett 00:27:59
County, and this demonstrates the widespread support and interest of our 'cause. Our Facebook page has been viewed over 9000 00:28:05
times, showcasing the extensive reach of our post and the high level of engagement from our followers. 00:28:11
Healer County Animal Control has reached over 3500 likes and comments reflecting an active person. 00:28:19
Anticipation and interaction of our community members, the engagements of our folks not only spreads awareness but also officers 00:28:24
and sense of unity and shared purposes. 00:28:29
These numbers are for more than just statistics. They represent life change, families, families made whole, and a community coming 00:28:35
together to support a common cause. The power of social media has allowed us to extend our reach far beyond what we could imagine, 00:28:40
and the results have been truly heartwarming. 00:28:45
The person show so great, great presentation. I appreciate that you guys, your award-winning employees, award-winning department 00:28:52
and a brand new facility. It's all good supervisor Humphrey. 00:28:58
No, I just, I just think it's a great program and I'm, I'm very proud of you, John, for where you've taken this program. 00:29:06
Because like you say, I am and I very much consider it an honor with that you asked me to be a depending of the badges that that 00:29:15
was special to me because like I say, 30 years ago it was rabies control and and and an old falling down building that was in 00:29:22
forever. So I'm I'm just I'm I'm proud of. 00:29:28
The work that you've done and seeing officers that have retired that, that come and want to be part of your team because people 00:29:36
and their animals are extremely touchy. Some people think more of their animals than they do their children. But anyway, so that 00:29:43
puts you in a tough place all the time. And, and so I, I'm just very proud of of what you have built with that in, in the years 00:29:51
that you've been here. So thank you. Thank you very, very much. I appreciate that. 00:29:58
John, thanks, man. No thanks. Well, and it's good to see you got an awesome team in place. So you're staffed up, you're full. 00:30:07
Fully staffed in a nice facility, life is good. 00:30:16
Question for you and patient. Are we hooked up with a vet up there in Payson to do? Nobody would come aboard. I've asked them and 00:30:21
there's like eight bits up there and nobody would want to come aboard. It's really hard. Yeah. That makes it tough, yeah. 00:30:29
Very hard to do our job and not have that. So a lot of times if we have injured animals up there, we got to try to get them down 00:30:37
here as soon as we can to our vet here who will see us in an emergency situation. So it's you know that that that's really tough. 00:30:46
I don't know. Another question for you, like in your animals that you adopt out, do you go ahead and check them as part of the 00:30:57
adoption and come in, watch out because you'll get a chip? 00:31:03
No, that's good. Yeah. 00:31:16
All you guys do, I got one more thing. Can you pull up the? 00:31:19
Picture for me real quick, so this was just last minute on on this, on this picture right here. So in the middle is Sergeant 00:31:22
Justin Guardian. He's with the Arizona Department of Corrections. He's their canine handler there. And we work with them on trying 00:31:29
to if we have dogs that we think they've been going to their drug program and cell phones or search and rescue, we'll do that. So 00:31:37
I called him and he came to look at another dog and he's like, well, hey. 00:31:44
You know, the other dog didn't really workout. He goes, but we have this hound dog. This hound dog was found on the young highway 00:31:52
and. 00:31:55
We put it up and nobody came for it. And so he looked at the dog and he's like, can I take it down to our complex in, in Florence? 00:32:00
And I'm like, yeah, you know, so he called the guy in Florence and he's like, yeah, bring him. We'll put him through some tests. 00:32:07
And I'm happy to report that he is now a canine officer dog. He works for the Arizona Department of Corrections and he does 00:32:13
searches. He did a couple of tests and. 00:32:19
The first thing he did was put his nose down and went and found the individual that have went and hid in like a matter of seconds. 00:32:25
So they are really happy to have him. So that's we're happy that we can do stuff like that. How how many animals have you had go 00:32:33
that route? We've had probably at least three hold that route today. Yeah. And they become working animals for them. So it helps 00:32:40
out. Yeah. Thank you guys. Of course. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Yeah. Thank you. 00:32:47
No, no, some some poor guys missing his dog. I want it back after this present. Don't she's the line somewhere. OK, thank you 00:32:55
guys. I appreciate that. So let's get to the center cut of this meeting. Here we got item 2D information discussion regarding the 00:33:02
prior prioritization of future Healer county capital improvement projects. OK, this is going to be a big, a big presentation. So 00:33:10
thank you, Joseph. 00:33:17
Good morning, German Board of Supervisors. Today projects are presented in an order of priority recommendation. All projects are 00:33:26
critical infrastructure and require attention. However, we need to prioritize so that we can efficiently, effectively budget and 00:33:33
focus resources on top priority projects. Feedback that we've received from the Board in the past was to add additional context to 00:33:41
these projects so that we can also consider those for the prioritization. 00:33:48
As we evaluate each project on its own merits, we considered safety, risk management, operational impact, cost and feasibility, 00:33:56
allowing us to recommend a prioritized list to the Board of Supervisors. 00:34:02
Ensuring Hiller County's facility safety, security and compliance is. 00:34:10
Of the utmost importance for our team, the projects to upgrade electrical systems, replace roof, add and support security and 00:34:15
upgrade HVAC systems are critical in safeguarding the well-being of employees, visitors valuable assets. These initiatives reflect 00:34:22
our commitment to creating a safe, secure and sustainable environment for all stakeholders. 00:34:28
Let's explore the details for. 00:34:36
Outlining what those projects are. Again, it's in the slides. So the focus is going to kind of wrap around some of the 00:35:14
justification of why we're prioritizing it. 00:35:18
So the first one, the critical security, the critical security camera infrastructure has encountered a significant system failure 00:35:23
with nearly 80% of the current infrastructure failing. This is disrupted critical operations related to safety, risk management, 00:35:29
unauthorized access, asset management and election integrity court security. This project is crucial due to its extensive impact 00:35:36
on all operations, employees and constituents across the county in comparison to other priority projects such as the electrical 00:35:42
systems and infrastructure. 00:35:48
The the security system is the only critical infrastructure that has failed with no immediate fixed or solution impacting the 00:35:55
county. Although the electrical system is critical of failure in the electrical system is likely to be isolated to a specific 00:36:01
operation in comparison to the broad county impact of security cameras. 00:36:08
Currently the electrical system is online, while the camera systems are essentially down. 00:36:15
Given the extensive impact of the security camera infrastructure failure on safety, risk management, unauthorized access, asset 00:36:22
management, election integrity and court security, it is our recommendation that the security camera project take precedence over 00:36:27
electrical systems. 00:36:32
The security project is a straightforward and quick solution with high yield in terms of the enhanced safety and security. Whereas 00:36:37
the electrical infrastructure requires a significant amount of time and effort for assessment and correction. Prioritizing 00:36:43
security project is vital to ensure the safety and security of all stakeholders vital operations across the county. Now this one, 00:36:49
I'd like to add just a little bit more context to it. These other electrical infrastructure projects are extremely important to 00:36:55
all operations. 00:37:01
This is an opportunity for us to impact have the largest impact to the county with the cost. 00:37:07
And it's in terms of electrical and some of the other critical infrastructure faster. 00:37:16
Now I don't want to downplay how much work and time has gone into this project or what lays in the scope of it. It is a daunting 00:37:23
project, but in terms of the others. 00:37:27
It falls to the side as far as the amount of Labor and time and energy is going to go into it and cost. 00:37:33
Excuse me? 00:37:43
We may want to ask a few questions about this particular item, and I'd like to make a clarification because it seems like deep in 00:37:45
my memory this was ARPA money on the security cameras. I asked Mr. Menlov, he, he thought he remembered it as ARPA money. I'm not 00:37:51
sure if we have committed ARPA money for the security cameras. I, I, I think that's important that we find out whether we've 00:37:58
already committed ARPA money for this project. 00:38:04
Great. 00:38:14
So the definition of committed has changed throughout the ARPA process, ARPA process. So because the Board of Supervisors has not 00:38:16
signed the contract yet, technically these terms, these funds are not committed. We have the capacity for you to commit them. 00:38:26
Right. If you look in New World right now, because you haven't signed the contract, there's not an encumbrance for this project 00:38:37
yet. OK, So Mayor, to clarify, I understand you and that, but did we did we set aside money in initial discussions about ARPA 00:38:47
spending? Did we say that we would like to include this in the ARPA spending even though we haven't committed it yet? It was on a. 00:38:56
Good ideas list. It was not in the initial allocations that you sat and made when you allocated between digitization and other 00:39:07
projects like that. Security cameras were not spelled out in that. 00:39:13
OK. So do we have $830,000 left of ARCA money, you have capacity to do that? 00:39:20
I see. OK. So with that being said, Marion, how much Marion, how much more are for money do we have sitting out there? It's just 00:39:27
about $830,000. So that'll cover this project. OK, so this is something that wasn't brought up before is the ARPA aspect of this 00:39:35
project because I was told that this was looked at is going to be budgeted under ARPA money. It it can be, but it hasn't come 00:39:43
before the board when it's specific. 00:39:51
Designation of the funding for this, right. So what I'm looking at here as far as this security camera initiative, this would take 00:40:00
care of our ARPA obligations as far as spending our money, it'll be off our play. So the only question I would have on the 00:40:07
project, not not for you Mary, but more for Joseph is you know, it lists out. 00:40:15
A bunch of the places where we're going to put these cameras, one of the places I find surprising isn't on here is the 00:40:25
fairgrounds. 00:40:30
Is it going to be covered with these cameras? 00:40:36
Jimmy's legendary, it's a great question. On this initial phase, it will not be included. The Fairgrounds, Pleasant Valley 00:40:39
Veterans Retreat and a few other satellite locations which include maintenance, those are in a later phase. In order for us to 00:40:47
budget for this project, it is going to be phased in. So this is the initial investment. Over the next two to four years, we're 00:40:55
going to be investing operational funds that are going to upgrade those locations based off of the priority and the risk. 00:41:03
So I guess just for conversation purposes and that's what today's for. 00:41:12
With the work that's proposed for the fairgrounds and we're already getting a lot of people to use it during our fairs. Whatever 00:41:18
functions are going on, a lot of these cameras, that's where they shine the best is in case there's somebody that stubs their toe 00:41:24
on that Little Rock in the parking lot or or something like that. And I just. 00:41:29
I just would ask you guys and me as well, I think Star Valley storage building instead of that, I'd rather have it at the 00:41:36
fairgrounds, you know, something like that. You see what I'm saying? Sure do supervisor client, just to clarify, that storage 00:41:44
facility is for elections and that's why that one segregated out. Good to know, but we appreciate the feedback and we can take a 00:41:51
look at it. The other thing now that we know that this is ARPA money, which I did not know when we had this discussion before. 00:41:59
I, I wouldn't have had a bit of problem going on with it under that circumstance, but that information didn't come up. So as far 00:42:08
as I'm concerned, I that's fine, you know? 00:42:13
Deposit Humphrey. 00:42:20
I have no comment on that. 00:42:22
So it was part of my memory too, and that's why I was a bit confused. I'm glad we're able to clarify. So in my mind, even though I 00:42:25
may not be saying it technically correct, if we have really planned on and set aside money, ARPA money for these cameras, this is 00:42:33
one of the oldest projects we've actually been discussing. So I have no. 00:42:41
I mean, we need to spend the ARPA money. This is number one on your list. Security is obviously very important. And I think what 00:42:50
Supervisor Klein mentioned about having additional cameras. 00:42:56
It's it suddenly becomes a little more affordable to expand the footprint of the security camera so. 00:43:04
That's kind of my mindset on that. I, I would just really like you guys to try and somehow include the fairgrounds on this go 00:43:09
around. I don't know where you're at or whatever. We can scratch another building and put the fairgrounds in there. We just have a 00:43:17
lot of people going through the fairgrounds and it's, it's not that we need to watch over everybody, but things do come up and 00:43:24
that's real good tool to have to sort things out later. Absolutely, yes, there's some wise client would be happy to take a look. 00:43:31
OK. Thank you. Joseph, why don't you just? 00:43:40
Continue then. Thank you. Next project is the Fairgrounds of electrical phase one. Again, this one is essentially tied with our 00:43:43
first recommendation. The indifference is the ability to execute the contract rapidly and a few other things of a wide spectrum 00:43:51
impact. So this is isolated to the fairgrounds itself, but it's a very important one. Currently there are several OSHA and 00:43:58
National Electrical Code violations that we've been contending with out at the fairgrounds. 00:44:06
Presenting a serious risk to injury or even fatality at the moment, we have taken strides to temporarily safety and lock out 00:44:14
equipment and components as necessary. This project is a high priority to our first recommendation, but still requires additional 00:44:20
work related to the full scope planning, engineering and design. 00:44:26
The project is in its feasibility stage and is equally important as the first project as mentioned in our pipeline. 00:44:33
With the feasibility stage, we've done a great deal of planning and we are on the edge of bringing that to the Board of 00:44:41
Supervisors in the next 30 to 60 days. 00:44:46
With that estimated cost in mind. 00:44:53
With that, I'd be happy to take any questions or comments. Sure. Thank you, Supervisor Humphrey. 00:44:56
Yeah, I just say, like I said, the fairgrounds are a pet peeve of mine. And and so you know it, it just depends on how things work 00:45:02
out. But the the amount of money that we spend in rental and the spare spends in rental for just putting on the fair and some of 00:45:10
the functions there with printing generators, running lights, running everything we need to run stuff because we don't have the 00:45:17
electrical capacity I think is really important. And like you say with with violations and stuff. 00:45:25
Yeah, cameras are important for people stubbing their toes, special electrical problems when you have people that are all so bad. 00:45:33
If we have, you know, I mean, because if, if we do have a lot of violations and we're going ahead and operating anyway with safety 00:45:41
violations and that's not a good way to go. And so that's, that's my two cents worth. So, yeah, 'cause like I said, I would, I 00:45:49
would like to have more, more going on at the fairgrounds and, and it be a place. 00:45:57
For recreation as it was in the past. And so anyway, that's that's my $0.02 worth. 00:46:06
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Talk to me about violations. 00:46:15
What are we getting at the fairgrounds as far as violations, I mean? 00:46:20
I, I don't hear this and I got to clarify something. I look at the fairgrounds of Vet Center, a lot of things and that's 00:46:25
accounting, accounting facility accounting project, but I don't hear anything when it comes to violation. I I'm not sure what 00:46:30
we're. 00:46:35
What we're getting, are we getting violations? So there has not been any formal inspection or visitation from OSHA. However, with 00:46:41
the team being able to identify what is the requirements of OSHA and also having some electrical assessments and evaluations 00:46:48
completed on it, those have been identified as such. And sometimes as a basic example, it can be as simple as not having a ground 00:46:56
where a ground is required. 00:47:03
So that list goes on. A lot of them are small that still lie out there. However, the ones with safety or anything that was risk to 00:47:11
life or limb immediately locking out and safety, there's no doubt we have to improve the the facilities at the fairgrounds to 00:47:19
continue on and it is a cost and it is a pain for you guys to bring in the generators and things like that. 00:47:26
But. 00:47:37
I looked at it a little bit differently and I've been looking at this differently. It's not that we're not going to spend money at 00:47:40
the fairgrounds, because I'm sure we are. 00:47:44
But we need to spend money in this building we're sitting in. 00:47:49
We can bring generators. We can do that, Yeah, it costs us. I get it. And and we need to fix that. I agree with that. 00:47:53
This building goes down. We can't bring in generators to fix this building. 00:48:01
Am I right? 00:48:06
Depending on the issue yesterday, there's, there's a probability for that because what you've been telling me and what I've come 00:48:08
to know is that a lot of our boxes, whatever that means in this building are outdated. They're old, they have to be replaced. 00:48:13
There's an issue there. 00:48:18
Yes, Sir, that is correct. And that may that would go against the OSHA stuff and all that as well, correct. There is and that's 00:48:24
what it what we'll kind of outline a little later too. There are some OSHA concerns with it and electrical code violations. They 00:48:32
stand a little bit indifferent just because that one is high exposure, this one's limited exposure also this has been outdated. So 00:48:40
any code that's been progressed over the past 40 years, it just essentially fell out of out of that versus the other one. 00:48:48
Unfortunately with a lack of maintenance was was one of the big parts of it the degradation of the system. So when I look at the 00:48:56
priority on this and you've got them good and I appreciate that on this page right here, it's all listed out there and we've 00:49:01
talked about the other projects before in our work session, but. 00:49:06
I agreed with the security cameras because that is already funded of ARPA money. 00:49:13
OK, That was that was the case at the very first meeting you presented with us. It was looked at it for spending an hour for money 00:49:19
and getting that done. I agree with that. That's fine. I'd agreed with it then had I known. But the courthouse to me is the next 00:49:26
priority that I feel like is something that. 00:49:33
I, I, I agree with Mr. Humphrey. And then we have, we need to do some things on the fairgrounds and we need to do some things on 00:49:41
other buildings, but we can't have this building go down. 00:49:47
We, we can't, I, I and, and if what you're telling me the severity of this electrical system in this building, it does have a good 00:49:54
probability of eventually it's going to fail, whether that's tomorrow or 10 years from now, who knows, but it is going to fail. 00:50:01
And so when I look at that, that creates a problem on our county as a whole that this building goes down. 00:50:08
And so that's where I have sat all along saying, you know, the rest of this, I, we can work with it. I, you know, I, I don't have 00:50:16
anything one way or another. 00:50:21
But this building needs some attention. 00:50:28
Yes, Sir. Thank you. 00:50:31
Joseph. So these are estimates. 00:50:33
So right. And they're your kind of your best guess. So would you say that they are conservative estimates or? 00:50:36
Estimates that are padded so that we're not surprised later. Yes, Sir. Just in your own mind, do you think I mean $650,000 for 00:50:46
this first phase? And I don't know what all that involves. Is that a real number? Is that a close number? Is that a high number? 00:50:53
No, that's a great question to understand the context of how we obtain some of these numbers. We're always reluctant to give any 00:50:59
kind of number unless it has been officially quoted. However, in order for us to plan and look forward, we do have to put some 00:51:06
kind of stake in the ground. 00:51:12
So that we can budget and plan appropriately. With that being said, it is a rough order of magnitude and cost. It is a rough 00:51:19
estimate. With it being a rough estimate, we always try and go to the high end of that estimate so that we can anticipate anything 00:51:26
that might come out of the project, but also to budget approach. 00:51:33
It would be better to have the cost at 4:50, not 950. So I'm going to ask then a general question when we are considering. 00:51:41
The priorities and the spending because we've got some big numbers here. 00:51:51
What kind of money do we have available for this? What would be our limits? 00:51:57
So in terms of prioritizing spending, you have $6.1 million in LATCF funds that are excludable from your expenditure limitation. 00:52:05
So would not create any other challenges as far as utilizing those funds if you, for example, were to look at this list of 00:52:12
priorities. 00:52:19
The project list that Mister Klein referred to, that's on slide 15. 00:52:27
Assuming you used ARPA money for Project Overwatch, and assuming that congressionally directed spending was available for the 00:52:33
fairgrounds electrical phase two, you could get all the way down to your courthouse roof replacement project before you ran out of 00:52:41
LATCF funds, which would only leave you three projects down at the bottom of the list. 00:52:49
If you just went in order here and the congressionally directed spending that was applied for, for fairgrounds electrical phase 00:52:58
two was available. So you have the capacity built into the budget of course, but you have actual funding available for the 00:53:05
majority of these projects that would not 'cause you challenges when it comes to the State Economic Estimates Commission saying, 00:53:12
oh, you can't spend that money, OK. 00:53:19
And then when do we receive more funding, more money? 00:53:27
More. 00:53:34
But I mean, no, no, what I mean is the 6.1 million do we get anymore later? No, we're not going to get anymore ARPA money. 00:53:36
That's all. That's all gone. Okay. 00:53:46
Very good. And so then as far as options go, because I know you've got 12 things on here, Joseph, but I'm, I'm almost certain 00:53:49
you've got a list somewhere that's got 100 things on it. OK, right. 00:53:55
And so we have to start thinking if it's going to take us 20 years to do all these projects. 00:54:03
What's the roof going to look like on one of these buildings 20 years from now when it needs to be addressed today? And So what 00:54:11
are what are our options as a county government to generate more money? And I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just saying what are 00:54:19
our options in order to try and take care of some of these projects sooner rather than later. 00:54:27
So if you were to this list that you have in front of you today has $11,500,000, a total estimated cost on it. 00:54:36
And of that, 1.87 is for the central heights roof replacement and a track. If you went with a track only, that would be 650,000. 00:54:48
So there's the $1.2 million of. 00:54:55
Of different capacity there. 00:55:04
Of the 11.5 though right? 1.6 is potential congressionally directed spending and 830,000 would be ARPA and then you'd have 6.1 of 00:55:07
LATCF which leaves you a shortfall of between. 00:55:16
1.4 million and 3.8 million depending on on how that central heights roof shakes out you also. 00:55:25
Receive annually the federal PILT money which is not doesn't count against your expenditure limitation, but that is generally not 00:55:36
allocated for projects like this. That's generally allocated for ongoing operations within the county. Other options include you 00:55:44
wouldn't you wouldn't want to do it for something this. 00:55:52
Aggregate small, you could get another pledge revenue bond similar to what we did in 2019 and 2020, but that is an enormous 00:56:01
undertaking and you would want that to be something where the entire one project was at least $10 million to make it worth doing. 00:56:11
OK. So a bond would be an option, but it's an undertaking. And pledged revenue would be a kind of bond you could get without, 00:56:22
without having to go to the voters, right, without, without it costing your taxpayers more. You could do a pledge revenue bond. We 00:56:28
still have capacity to do that. What does a bond like that cost us? In other words, we're paying it back, but what would the 00:56:34
interest rate be on that? 00:56:40
Current interest rate prime less I looked was about 8 and a quarter and municipal is about half of that right now, OK. So it would 00:56:47
just depend on what the market was doing when we got it there. And if we started today, it would probably take us 6 to 8 months to 00:56:55
get that done. OK. Mr. Chair, if I ask Mr. question, is there not infrastructure funds out there as far as grant forms that we 00:57:02
reach for? 00:57:10
Mr. Chairman, throughout Humphrey absolutely just had a conversation this morning of of targeting different grant revenue sources. 00:57:18
So we continue to work in that and and we'll pursue every Ave. that we can to get grants because that's absolutely our number one 00:57:26
priority of enhancing our revenue, our grant revenue. So thank you for bringing that up that that is. 00:57:34
A critical thing that we continue to do. So thank you. 00:57:43
Mr. Chairman, James, I know we have people on YouTube watching that don't understand the LATCF part of this conversation. Would 00:57:47
you explain that? So everybody knows what that is and how it came to be sure, Mr. Chairman, those are monies that were 00:57:55
appropriated by U.S. Congress as part of the COVID relief funds. So Clara, tribal and consistency, local government, local area 00:58:02
and tribal consistency funds. 00:58:09
To stabilize the economies after COVID. So there was an original ARPA money that was ten and a half million that the county 00:58:17
received, which we have identified that there's $630,000 remaining that's not committed yet. 00:58:25
And but the LATCF funding, $12 million that we received is distributed based on payment and loyal taxes types, which means there's 00:58:33
not a lot of ties to it and not a lot of restrictions. 00:58:40
It payment a little taxes is what we get annually. 00:58:49
For all of the federal lands that are in Healer County. 00:58:53
Our pilled money is typically about four million a year. This was 12 million one time. As has been noted, there's not any more of 00:58:57
that money coming and don't anticipate. 00:59:03
Heaven forbid we have another pandemic, that there's not any of that, more of that money coming. But does that answer the question 00:59:09
12 million one time money? 00:59:14
It does is also based on your public lands to and the ones with the higher public lands have the most money which was 12 million. 00:59:20
I think that was the most she could get 12 million was the maximum that anybody got in our rural county was one of those so and 00:59:26
that 12 million was two installments 6,000,001 year is 6,000,000 the last year. 00:59:33
And so. 00:59:40
That should answer questions if there's any out there. 00:59:42
But thank you for doing that. 00:59:46
And the only restriction on those funds is that they cannot be used for lobbying activities, as the way that the final guidance 00:59:48
read. 00:59:51
So you are not restricted in how you choose to use them. And so we get the pill money and we get secure rural schools money. 00:59:56
Which that usually goes to Roy Sandoval for his adult education program and some to our roads. 25,000 goes to roads everywhere. 01:00:05
Yeah. And that's really all the extra money that way that we get. I mean, unless it's a grant. 01:00:13
Mr. Chairman, yes, Sir, I'm calling you. You asked about additional revenue sources and I know this is a place that we will not go 01:00:24
right based on your direction, but Gila County has the capacity under our primary property tax to go from a $4.19 tax rate to over 01:00:32
$6. It's like $6.50. I bring that up it. 01:00:40
You as a board of who I can vote to increase property taxes that much, almost 50%, well more than 50% than you currently have 01:00:50
coming in. That would be an additional $10 million of revenue to the county to do that. 01:00:59
Umm, you have that capacity to take that action as we adopt the budget here in the next couple of weeks. 01:01:09
I don't personally and I believe I received direction from you that we are not going to raise taxes, tax Burgundy citizens of Huda 01:01:17
County right now. But I do bring it up that. 01:01:22
You as a board. 01:01:28
Well, these tax rates may have an ability that we have to raise taxes with. Established in about 199019881989. 01:01:31
And it shows that even though we do have a five $4.19 tax rate that you as a board are very conservative and you have reduced 01:01:41
taxes, you have this capacity, but you choose to not burden taxpayers of homeowners of the county with that additional burden. So 01:01:48
I, I think it's a credit, it was a Board of Supervisors. 01:01:56
To be conservative and to hold the line on the tax burden. 01:02:04
But as you're looking for additional revenues, that is something that's out there. I know we're not going there. 01:02:11
But I do want to mention that that is probably the easiest thing use aboard. One of the things that you have done to increase 01:02:20
revenues is through Discovery County. A investment of a couple $100,000 a year has increased our revenues through excise tax and 01:02:27
those types of things by millions of dollars over the course of Discovery County. That has made a significant impact on our 01:02:34
ability to meet our obligations to to address some of the facilities and all things that we have. So I appreciate that as a 01:02:42
proactive thing. 01:02:49
Those are people that are coming into Healer County that weren't coming in before and so it is increased our revenue 01:02:56
significantly. 01:03:00
And made it to be able to accomplish what we've done as a board you have invested heavily in the facilities up to date on the 01:03:04
seven years and Christians and coming along that you have invested in the facilities and you turn what we're. 01:03:12
A lot of worn out facilities that are breaking down and built new facilities. Those new facilities, the maintenance, the operation 01:03:21
of those are significantly less and all of those helps us to meet our obligations. We just have you as a board inherited. 01:03:30
A lot of old facilities, a lot of. 01:03:40
Modular buildings that typically don't last very long and they wear out quickly and require heavy investments and we're trying to 01:03:43
get over that hump and continue to do so with your. 01:03:49
Direction with your guidance with your. 01:03:55
Deep dives into understanding what is needed to do this. 01:03:58
We are making a lot of progress and and we'll continue to do so with having these discussions with you. 01:04:04
So a little bit of info, Hopefully I haven't overstepped and taken too much your time, but I wanted to share those thoughts. No, I 01:04:10
appreciate it. So yes, I think the reason I'm asking what our options are is I need to know the tools that we have in our toolbox, 01:04:17
even though we don't want to use some of those tools or we may not use any of those tools. We just need to know what the options 01:04:25
are. So we have a deteriorating facility infrastructure that needs maintenance. 01:04:32
And in my estimations, I think that that's been overlooked for a long time. And so now we're facing higher costs because of 01:04:40
deteriorating parking lots or something that could have been maintained so. 01:04:47
Along with these projects, my idea is that we also need to get in place spending annually for keeping these projects up. 01:04:55
Surfacing our parking lots and things like that. So Supervisor Klein, did you have comments on recent? 01:05:07
Comments Well, I will say on behalf of James's statement, there's no way that I will ever vote for a tax increase, right? 01:05:16
I just wanted to, and so and I look back at what we inherited, like when me and Tim came on the board and, and where we are today 01:05:25
with all the improvements and things we've done. I know that the planets lined up and we got a lot of extra money, which was a 01:05:31
big, huge help, but we put a lot of good projects on the ground. 01:05:37
A lot of them. And so with any hope of that, maybe there will be some more money coming from somewhere one of these days. You 01:05:44
don't know. That's why we go to DC. That's why we have Miss Powers here helping us in DC as well. And we make those connections 01:05:50
and we constantly push for funds. And I think that's a good route to go, not raising taxes. And so I just to get back on our list. 01:05:57
You know, like I said, the courthouse to me is, is, is. 01:06:04
Is on top, but the I want to dip down in this and I know we're headed there, but I, I don't think it should need to be at the 01:06:11
bottom because I want some discussions on this real quick. Is our Central Heights roof replacement and what I understand Joseph is 01:06:18
due to the nature of the lease, we're kind of obligated for that roof. Is that, am I taking that right? We are responsible to 01:06:25
repair that group. 01:06:32
With that being said, it's to our discretion. So if we wanted to replace it, that would be a determination on our side, not that's 01:06:41
correct, OK. 01:06:46
OK. And I wanted that out there just because that's kind of a different scenario with these projects that's actually in an 01:06:51
agreement that we have to do. 01:06:55
You know, a lot of these is just whether or not we want to do it so. 01:07:00
This Latc latcf is not. 01:07:06
Does not have an expiration date, does it? We don't have to spend it by a certain time. 01:07:11
OK, great. Thank you. 01:07:18
Umm, keep going. All right, great. So the next project, supervisor Klein, you kind of stepped us right into it, perfectly 01:07:23
transitioned this and that's courthouse electrical infrastructure. Now the project is extremely important to the potential for 01:07:29
service disruption like has been mentioned, and the risk associated with the outdated infrastructure, meaning us being able to get 01:07:36
the components to repair it. 01:07:43
Although there is a high potential for the system failure because of the outdated infrastructure and discontinued components 01:07:51
leading to long-term outages, the system is currently operational and that goes into our matrix of trying to make that decision 01:07:56
so. 01:08:01
With that is also what kind of impact we're looking at. 01:08:07
Now, there is always a potential for a catastrophic failure, and that's an increased potential. 01:08:11
With the agent equipment, the condition of the equipment and a few other variables. I know this just because there is that risk, 01:08:19
but it's. 01:08:24
That margin is increasing and that's why we need to address it. So I don't want it to come off and it's trying to make this 01:08:30
project not important. 01:08:35
But I just want to outline there's a high probability of losing a location of floor a component network of HVAC systems. So the 01:08:40
chances or the potential of it Downing the entire courthouse, although increasing as we don't address the issue and is high. 01:08:49
It is why we have it in the place that it is. With that, I'd like to take any questions or comments. 01:09:01
Great supervisor Humphrey. 01:09:09
Well, one of my comment on taxes, gloom and doom projects three years from now or the courthouse electrical. 01:09:13
And if it's a courthouse electrical, I have no comments. We not, you know, I mean, right now we're just trying to discuss where 01:09:23
$6.1 million are going to be spent. And, and so yes, do I do I think the electrical is important? I, I very much do. 01:09:32
And that's my comment. 01:09:42
Okay. 01:09:46
You know, Marion brought up a point on bonds and stuff like that. To have a single project to bond out or something of that 01:09:48
nature. Like like to build the Tony Martin Pine building, we bonded it out. 01:09:54
Would that fear the situation like we have here at this courthouse? 01:10:02
Mr. Chairman, through our decline, yes, I had this decision on the board. We can identify capital projects specifically they would 01:10:08
have to be named as a part of the bond of general obligation and then we can go out and and get financing for those. So yes, you 01:10:15
know, and I heard what Joseph said earlier about taking the high side on the gas of what's going to cost, but that's, that's a 01:10:22
real wild guess when it comes to an old building. 01:10:29
Mr. Chairman, through our decline, I was at Navajo County, Finance Director there, same situation, building built in the mid 70s, 01:10:36
had to replace all the switch gear for electrical, do a lot of the work that we're talking about here because this building was 01:10:42
built. One of our newer buildings, the Globe is built in the 70s. 01:10:47
$3,000,000 So I $3,000,000 is and that was 10 years ago that we did that electrical it. 01:10:54
It's a guess, as Joseph has said, but I think it can take every bit of that. 01:11:04
You know, I don't like the interest rates at today's time, but but I that would just be an option in my mind if that was at all 01:11:09
possible. And that free up $3,000,000 that we have in cash basically to help with some of these other projects. Just throw it out 01:11:16
there doesn't have to do with politics or anything else like that. It's. 01:11:22
Simple question, Mr. Chairman, through our decline, we certainly are considering all our options and that includes. 01:11:30
That is included in one of the options, yes. 01:11:36
And then you said earlier, you know, to pursue a bond it, you know, you're looking at six months, whatever a year maybe I don't 01:11:39
know. But like Joseph said, our building is still functioning right now, but the longer we go, the more chances it's not going to 01:11:46
function. So I think that's a decision that needs to be kind of thought about pretty hard and and decide what we're going to do. 01:11:52
That's just that's my. 01:11:58
My part of it. 01:12:05
I feel that the Board of Supervisors should be the stewards of the property of Healer county and that we should not neglect what 01:12:07
we have or we end up with much more cost later and so if. 01:12:15
When I have a project I need to do at my home, like let's say a new roof, I can either afford that or I can't afford it. And if 01:12:24
it's leaking, I've got to do something to fix it now. 01:12:31
Not well whenever I have a bunch of money later three years from now, so I I would be interested in hearing more about bonding 01:12:39
some of these projects or. 01:12:45
Whatever, if we want to borrow $10 million and include a bunch of these projects to get them done, we have a 50 year old buildings 01:12:54
we got. 01:12:59
I mean, it's just amazing the the costs here. We're never going to be able to do that with what we have in our pocket. 01:13:04
So we have to do something. 01:13:11
We have to consider borrowing to get the project done before it costs twice as much later where we have a catastrophic failure. So 01:13:15
I agree that this this building right here should be prioritized. 01:13:23
Can I bring something else up to Joseph? And I want to ask you this too is like on the fairgrounds, you broke it up into phases, 01:13:33
phase one and phase two. 01:13:37
What would it look like if we just combine that? That said, this needs fixed and this is the amount I mean. Or is it or is it has, 01:13:43
does it have something to do more with the facilities that you can only do part of it now and part of it later? You see what I'm 01:13:51
saying? It's a combination of both those points that you've made. So the first phase is to jump in to create a baseline and safety 01:13:59
all of the the electrical. The 2nd portion is more of an expansion that deals with Emergency Management. 01:14:07
And also quality of life and economic development. So there's some, some wins on that second phase, but the first phase it's split 01:14:15
out now say if we we looked at combining them and that's how I originally started out. 01:14:23
But we split them. 01:14:31
A few of the reasons outlined just a minute ago, but also because. 01:14:34
The cost and the time that was associated with the larger project as a whole was going to take a substantial amount of time. At 01:14:40
that moment, we didn't know how much time that was going to take a year for the design engineering. 01:14:46
And we extracted the highest risk. 01:14:54
Essentially creating the two phases so. 01:14:59
Long answer kit, we would recommend to keep it as it is also due to the planning and the design of it, not just the time. 01:15:02
But the planning and design you could go ahead and do for the whole project at the same same time and then just split it what you 01:15:11
can do on the ground at the first phase and then the second phase. 01:15:17
That's why I'm asking, is that OK, You go through planning and design, then are you for the first phase or you have to do that, 01:15:24
turn around, do that again for the second phase? 01:15:29
They're they're all feeding each other, creating the synergy of that planning and design and that's what's extremely important 01:15:34
about how we do things within the facilities department. 01:15:39
And to draw a little bit more context to what you're seeing, if I'm understanding correctly, even with the phase two, some of our 01:15:46
larger phases, we build them so that they can be budgeted appropriately. So if we need to phase those in on that phase two, we 01:15:52
have that opportunity. 01:15:58
Mr. Chairman, sorry, Tiny. 01:16:10
I think my as an accountant. 01:16:12
What the first phase is just to make sure everything that we currently have is brought to code. 01:16:17
Second phase, Second phase is to bring a three phase electrical into it like the large exhibit hall or commercial building that we 01:16:22
have out there. Need to have HVAC installed there instead of swamp course to make it even more available for use particularly in 01:16:30
the summertime. Right now we cannot bring HVAC to those buildings because we don't have the three phase electrical. So it's first 01:16:37
phase, get us up to code on everything that exists. 01:16:44
Second, second phase, bring three phase electrical to the fairgrounds where we can expand and really do new things to bring even 01:16:52
more events to the facility. 01:16:57
So. 01:17:05
My question would be to you and Marin is, is is there a way because the fairgrounds electrical and accounting or the courthouse 01:17:07
here are the two really big projects? 01:17:12
Really big projects. Is there a way to package those under a project and bond them and do it that way? Absolutely. 01:17:18
And then that would loosen up what we have to really stretch out through the rest of these projects and really get some things 01:17:28
done. 01:17:32
That that need done. You know, that's one thing, you know, you look at this list, like Steve said, about you having a list of 100 01:17:36
projects on it. I mean, there's no end to projects, I'm sure. But exactly. And so I, I'm just throwing that out there. I mean, you 01:17:45
know, if we bonded $5,000,000 or whatever it came out to be in on, on those two deals, that would loosen up 6,000,000. 01:17:54
To go on with these other ones. 01:18:03
I believe we're getting the message between Mary and I that we're getting the message to look at it. That's just me talking. Well 01:18:07
before we bring it to this forum here to have that discussion and have it so that you have the ability to consider this option, 01:18:14
that option and to have that public comment. So we, I believe gotten the message that to take a look at that to give us 2-3 01:18:22
months, then we certainly can bring that. 01:18:29
To this open forum or discussion and have it as one of our viable options to consider. 01:18:36
I would only have one question answered, the ballpark question for mayor, but say we did bond those two projects, let's just say 01:18:44
it that's the way it's going to go. We're going to do it, OK. 01:18:49
Off just a ballpark figure, what would our liability be every year until that's paid off on that? 01:18:55
Any idea? 01:19:03
So. 01:19:05
The cost benefit of issuing a bond for these two projects probably isn't there. You probably need a bigger list of projects. 01:19:09
Your your return on investment probably shows up around the $10 million mark when it becomes worth it to have invested in a long 01:19:20
term borrowing because you're looking at 20 years at least that should be paying this back. If you were just to do these two 01:19:27
projects, you could probably get your annual debt service. 01:19:34
Between 450 and $500,000 depending on the cost of borrowing. 01:19:41
I don't. 01:19:50
From a very conservative finance perspective, I don't see that these two projects alone would be worth doing all of that 01:19:52
administration for, for the board or for for our taxpayers. 01:19:59
You would probably want to look at a larger pool of projects. 01:20:06
To do that. 01:20:11
What we have capacity, given our pledged revenue streams of revenue, you have capacity to do that. 01:20:12
Mr. Chairman, Siri. 01:20:22
20 year at $5,000,000. The actual payback the debt is 250,000 plus. 01:20:24
Interest, so you're looking about $350.00 a year for $5,000,000. But I agree with Mary and. 01:20:32
The economics of the whole deal. 01:20:41
Yeah. And so do I, I think the higher number would be more cost effective. 01:20:45
We still then would still have the six million to catch up on things. 01:20:50
So in, in checking with Mr. O'Driscoll, we do have some work sessions coming up. I could probably gather information for you to 01:20:56
have for a work session at the end of September where we could talk about what those actual costs of borrowing would be and where 01:21:03
that, where that cost benefit point would be. And it wouldn't just be us projecting numbers, but you know, where we could get, 01:21:10
hey, what, what would this really look like? 01:21:17
And get them. 01:21:25
Some data if September would work for you. 01:21:26
Great. Mayor, was there a reason or something behind when you mentioned congressionally directed spending for one of these 01:21:31
projects, which was phase two? It was the reason that you selected that project. That particular project was submitted as a 01:21:38
potential congressionally directed spending item to the Senators in our most recent, our most recent list of requests to them. 01:21:46
That's why I I parse that one out. 01:21:53
Separately. 01:22:01
And it was for that phase two electrical at the fairgrounds. 01:22:02
So there are other projects that had gone to, gone for congressionally directed spending that are not facilities priorities, but 01:22:09
that particular one was. So just so you know where those sources are. And yes, as Mr. Menloff pointed out, there are grant 01:22:15
resources available and we are currently researching which of those apply to this list of priorities. We do not have an answer for 01:22:22
you at this moment. Thank you. 01:22:29
I like the chairman on that earmark. 01:22:37
For the $1.6 million for the second phase of the electrical system through Fairgrounds, we applied for four different earmarks 01:22:40
through Mr. Manlove and Patty Powers. This one was not chosen to go on to the next round. So we had a discussion this morning that 01:22:48
we're going to keep applying for this particular $1.6 million each year. You know, hopefully we'll be able to obtain that at some 01:22:56
point in time, but that's the bringing the most current up-to-date information. 01:23:04
OK, thanks. 01:23:12
OK. Thank you. Keep going. 01:23:16
All right, So we kind of stepped into the phase two for electrical upgrades. I'll just kind of add a little bit more context and 01:23:20
then if we have any additional questions or thoughts, we'd be happy to hear them. And just outlining how we got to the 01:23:26
prioritization for it. Phase one of the Fairgrounds Electric project aims to establish a foundational infrastructure for safety 01:23:32
and operational readiness. Just like Mr. Minlav was mentioning. However, the completion of phase two is crucial to fully 01:23:39
transform. 01:23:45
And again trying to use it as a hub. 01:24:25
For Hillock County, consequently, the site's potential remains underutilized, primarily servicing as open space rather than fully 01:24:30
supporting critical activities. 01:24:35
The upcoming phase two of the project will play a pivotal role in implementing crucial quality of life, Mike mentioned. 01:24:41
But these enhancements will serve to solidify the site's position as a flagship and catalyst for the economic development in Hilla 01:24:51
County. Also at present, the sign is constrained in its ability to accommodate large scale events such as the Hill Accounting 01:24:58
Fair, concerts, rodeos, others similar major gatherings. There are safety concerns related to the lack of cooling and the heating, 01:25:04
limited lighting and sufficient electrical support. And that's what this. 01:25:11
Phase two is essentially closing up the safety side of it. 01:25:18
Well, at the same time, providing those two highlights of support for the community. With that, I'd like to take any questions or 01:25:22
comments. 01:25:26
Capri and this was proposed under the earmark. 01:25:32
Process Phase 2 and so it fell out after this first round. So then it won't be able to be put back in until when? 01:25:36
March. 01:25:49
That's a hard thing about earmarks on projects. It may take two or three years to get them, get them to where we need them. 01:25:55
Thank you. All right. The next one is the Globe Roadshop Wash Bay. The existing drainage system is not working properly and needs 01:26:06
frequent pumping. Fixing or replacing the system will decrease the amount of Labor required and get us into compliance from an 01:26:14
ADDQ standpoint without the requirement of contract cleaning. The contract cleaning is roughly 15,000 a year. 01:26:22
With that, an assessment is necessary to determine the most appropriate approach for achieving well functioning systems. So this 01:26:32
is very early on essentially just identified. 01:26:37
With that, I'd like to take any questions or hear some thoughts. 01:26:44
I have a question, so we're going to, OK. And I don't mean to be sarcastic. You want to spend $650,000 to save $15,000 a year? 01:26:50
Is that am I getting that right? That is a portion of it, but the important part is the ADEQ compliance. 01:27:02
All right, in this facility will be in one location globe, right? That's correct, Chairman. So yes, at this particular time the 01:27:10
ADQ compliance and permanent from ADQ is what's driving this for the entire fleet program that we have in Ela County. How do we 01:27:17
accommodate that complaints in say the North? 01:27:24
Like at Star Valley. 01:27:32
We don't have a car wash system up there in Star Valley, so we deal with that all in the Globe area. 01:27:41
I'm sorry. We do have my apologies, OK. 01:27:49
That's all I had. 01:27:56
Mr. Chairman, yes, Sir. A distinct thing with this is, is used by the quirks as well. So it wouldn't be a general fund, it would 01:27:59
be about half general fund, half public works for her when so about 3 1/4 general fund, three and a quarter for public works 01:28:05
excise tax. 01:28:12
It it really did you part of it That's that's the worst no further that we need to meet and so. 01:28:20
I mean I I. 01:28:28
I'm amazed we went this far with it. They're kind of amazed they didn't do that when they built the facility over there. But. 01:28:31
Ketchup so. 01:28:39
I I think this is particularly one that. 01:28:40
We don't have any. 01:28:43
Way around. 01:28:46
That's a violation coming if we continue to ignore that one, That's a given. 01:28:49
Yes, Sir. 01:28:53
OK, the next project is the. 01:28:55
Central Heights. 01:29:02
Might be out of order the central heights. 01:29:07
Paving. 01:29:10
Yeah, courthouse paving is number six. 01:29:17
I apologize there's. 01:29:27
Typo here. So with the courthouse paving. 01:29:30
So at the courthouse paving, just like all of our paving projects, we assess them based off of the condition of it and some of the 01:29:51
maintenance has been done and also the risk that it has to potential clients or constituents and also exposure to the employees. 01:29:59
With that, the courthouse fell really high on top of that matrix. As you can imagine, there's a great deal of traffic, almost all 01:30:06
constituents within Halo County at some point. 01:30:14
Track through this and also the wide span of the damage to, or the deterioration of the pavement. 01:30:22
With that, I'd be happy to take any questions or comments. 01:30:29
Not at this time. 01:30:35
Umm. 01:30:40
Just a little bit of comparison, Joseph, um. 01:30:43
I see what I see that you think the paving is a little bit more important than the courthouse elevator. 01:30:49
Is that still your feelings on that? Yes, Sir. And the primary distinction between the two is the the risk, risk management side 01:30:56
of it. So and the exposure over the past couple of years that's been exposed, that's been exposed to the county. The perfect 01:31:01
example is someone taking a fall. 01:31:07
In the parking lot versus the elevator not having a direct impact related to something like that? 01:31:13
Joseph, we can do our own chip sealing. Is there a reason why we're repaving rather than chip sealing? Is it that far gone? 01:31:22
Yes, Sir, it is OK. 01:31:31
Mr. Chairman, yes, Sir, this is one of those items that Arizona County's insurance pool looking at the risk and the liability has 01:31:34
been hammering me for years saying that has got to be done of the parking lot out here and a couple other ones that we have here 01:31:41
in town. So it is it's priority for us for our risk and reliability potential. 01:31:48
And so you don't think we can just chip seal over the top of it? 01:31:57
You think we have to mill it up and they new asphalt? 01:32:01
Every recommendation that we've had from whether it's conversations with Public Works and others, that be the recommendation. 01:32:06
We got people that do an awesome chip seal job. 01:32:20
We can certainly take a deeper look and see what some alternatives can be to it. 01:32:24
Well, this might be a project that we would say, look, we're not going to get 100% great this year. 01:32:31
Let's chip seal it for a third of the cost, or whatever the cost would be. 01:32:39
And this would be a project that would end up being a future project of some sort. 01:32:44
Now if the chip seal won't work. 01:32:49
Because of the deterioration, then that would be a waste of money. 01:32:52
Mr. Cole, I don't know. 01:32:57
I don't see why it won't work. I don't know about the smoothness comparability to new asphalt would be, but. 01:32:59
But we just chip sealed over dirt and it worked. 01:33:06
So. 01:33:09
OK. 01:33:12
All right. 01:33:14
Next project is the courthouse elevator. 01:33:18
The elevator is a critical access point to services. Although completing this project in the next two years is critical, the 01:33:26
elevator continues to operate with repairs. While there are alternative access points. These temporary options would not be ideal 01:33:33
but would provide alternatives that enable this critical project to be deferred. The premises comply with all safety regulations, 01:33:40
risk management protocols and building codes, so again, I don't want to. 01:33:47
Downplay any of these projects. We've already identified in the board agrees that these are important projects and in order to 01:33:55
draw distinction between these projects and what would be categorized as the top priority versus the lower priority related to 01:34:02
these, we do have to have to draw that that distinction. So with that I'd be happy to take any questions. 01:34:09
Comments, OK. Thank you. Any questions? 01:34:16
The only one I would have Joseph, when you talk about the issues with the with the elevator. 01:34:21
Are those kind of simple issues or is there are we running a risk of trapping somebody halfway to the next four level and sitting 01:34:28
there? So chairmanship by the clients, it's a great question. So we always this is sometimes frustrating and I can understand even 01:34:36
for our side, we deal in probability and we try and look at it from a percentage. So the probability of that happening is very 01:34:44
unlikely based off of the maintenance and the condition of the system. However, that potential is always there once we get to. 01:34:51
A. 01:35:00
Risk. That is a high potential. 01:35:02
We start looking at recommending those projects a little bit higher and would create a different ranking. 01:35:05
So right now, we're really not seeing that high of a risk of that happening. 01:35:12
That's correct. 01:35:16
OK. 01:35:21
The risk is still there. With that. I'd be happy to take any questions or comments. 01:35:56
OK, I'm, I'm good. Yeah, OK. 01:36:03
All right. So the courthouse roof replacements, we have the option to proceed with repairs which could pose a risk to the 01:36:13
infrastructure if we let it continue. Again, this is a project that is important. However, we are always looking at opportunities 01:36:19
to to. 01:36:25
Not necessarily create longevity or. 01:36:32
In the equipment or the component because we've already exceeded that, but in order to buy us enough time so that we can plan 01:36:35
accordingly and when it comes to the planning budget for it also. 01:36:41
So we have the option to proceed with repairs. However, we have some time to create a budget and plan for its replacements and 01:36:49
assessment of the roof shows. While this project demands attention, it also allows an administration to carry out minor repairs 01:36:55
and budget for replacement over the next two to four years. 01:37:01
The process comply with all safety regulations, risk management protocols and also building code requirements so there's no 01:37:08
violations for true concern related to those items. Have you had to take any questions or comments? 01:37:15
OK. Any questions, comments? 01:37:22
The only one I would say, you know the roof replacement, I remember what Isaac Humphrey said about that roofs and is absolutely 01:37:27
right. There's any way of putting a PICO at the top of the S would be way good. And I don't know if you thought about that in this 01:37:34
proposal or in the cost proposal on it or not. You know that made it up the cost, but. 01:37:41
But you know, just looking at that, it would be packaged up with the rest of the courthouse in general. 01:37:49
So. 01:37:56
Joseph, is this the original roofing? 01:37:59
From the building 50 years ago, that's on it now. I don't think so I want to say that this roof has been replaced, but when I say 01:38:03
replace, it's just the membrane. So the membrane has been outdated, but. 01:38:08
That was 20 plus years ago. 01:38:15
OK. So we've seen battle, but then on the flatter spots that the membrane, that is correct, yeah. 01:38:17
OK. All right. Thank you. All right. 01:38:24
Right. Again, this is another paving project. Just to highlight what Mr. Miller was saying, there's several of these locations 01:38:29
that were identified from ASIP and this falls into that. The condition of the asphalt allows it to fall a little bit further down 01:38:36
the list, but that I'd be happy to take any. 01:38:42
Questions or comments? OK, any questions or comments? 01:38:50
All right, Globe HVAC, this one is falling on the back end of the prioritized list. 01:38:57
Primarily, while this project is lower on the priority list due to the rebound of HVAC equipment supply chain. 01:39:06
And our efficient lead times or more efficient lead times for equipment enabling us to conduct repairs within about a 30 day 01:39:14
window. 01:39:18
That was originally about six months to a year ago that was running us every bit of six months to a year on average for for 01:39:23
replacement of HVAC system. And we've also invested in emergent mobile HVAC systems and alternative action during system failure 01:39:32
and we've made significant strides in preventative maintenance with that we've identified systems that. 01:39:41
Met certain criteria and gave us the ability to use those key performance indicators of the probability of failure and 01:39:52
preemptively replacing those. Also over the past two years, we've had so many failures that we've had to replace those systems. So 01:39:59
again, this is a very important part of our infrastructure. I do not want to downplay the importance of it, but because of those 01:40:06
factors, we're able to kind of defer this a little bit lower on the list and also outlining. 01:40:13
Potential if we ever had to remove something from the list. 01:40:22
Of where our way of thinking was. With that, let's take any questions or comments. 01:40:26
How many units was this? 01:40:33
About. 01:40:35
So the selected locations are tentative, but with that being said, we're looking about four to five units. 01:40:37
OK. Did we already fix the HVAC system on the gel down here? Is that already done, upgraded, done? So that was a larger project 01:40:46
that was completed prior to me getting on board. From my understanding, the roof and the HVAC systems were all upgraded. 01:40:54
OK, that's what I thought. 01:41:03
So this would just be on the rest of the buildings, this building being one of them. 01:41:06
The complex were there where your office is. 01:41:11
On Earth, the health department, I would assume is one of them. 01:41:14
Yes, Sir, there. There would be possibly one or two if I recall the prioritization list on our side, but most of them would be 01:41:19
falling into the courthouse side of it. 01:41:24
Ya. 01:41:34
As mentioned earlier, so I'll be very brief with this one since we discussed it, is the Central Heights roof replacement. 01:41:36
With this being a leased facility, it falls lower on the prioritization list, but also because just like the HVAC systems, we have 01:41:43
the opportunity for some midterm solutions. Now when we say those midterm solutions, that's only because we have to, it's not 01:41:50
necessarily a recommendation. So if this does get deferred, we have some options to repair. With that being said, if we look at 01:41:58
some of our top four priority priorities, there is very limited options and. 01:42:06
They're stepping into safety. 01:42:14
And some of the other compliance challenges. So with this one, I'd be happy to take any. 01:42:15
Questions or thoughts? 01:42:21
OK, questions. 01:42:23
The only question that I'd have. 01:42:25
Joseph. 01:42:29
We would have the option of just a. 01:42:30
Basically patching that roof further than replacing that roof, you think or is it just at the point where you didn't do anything 01:42:34
at all, you just have to reduce it? It is to the point of your, your second comment, however, we still could go through. We 01:42:39
wouldn't have a choice. We'd have to go if we didn't move forward with this project, we would have to conduct those, those repairs 01:42:44
on the front end. 01:42:49
OK. And just so there be no especially the ones you're watching and we don't own that building. 01:42:59
That's why I'm continuing to question that particular project. 01:43:06
That is correct. Yes, Sir. 01:43:10
How old is that building, Joseph? 01:43:13
I I am not 100% on the age of the facility. 01:43:15
Architecturally, probably from the 70s or so, yes. It's about 50 years old or whatever. 01:43:19
So should should. In your estimations it would be. 01:43:26
A viable project to expand 2.4? 01:43:30
$1,000,000 on that building. 01:43:36
Even if we have really. 01:43:39
We don't own the building, but essentially the school's not going to take it back. Is it worth putting that much money into that 01:43:42
building? When we look at it from the strategic standpoint, if we own the facility, then my recommendation would be to move 01:43:50
forward with the project as a whole. However, when we consider that it is not our facility, it's important for us to adhere to our 01:43:57
obligation of the lease. However, we have still the same responsibility to. 01:44:04
The constituents of how, how do we want to invest in that? And ultimately that's up to the Board of Supervisors. 01:44:12
10. 01:44:20
Thank you. 01:44:22
All right, so as we wrap this presentation up, we have the last or the last line containing the 12 projects in a recommended 01:44:25
order. With that, we are more than happy to change that configuration reprioritized based off of the comments and thoughts. Again, 01:44:34
this is just a recommendation, so please let us know where you'd like us to sit. You want to talk about the race track? 01:44:44
No Sir, I'm not too sure how that got on the print out. It could be some interesting discussion. 01:44:55
Not until you talk to insurance, yeah. I'm not sure we'd be able to use it if we fixed it. 01:45:01
Definitely on a different slide, Mr. Chair, if I may. 01:45:09
You know, we have these work sessions to direct staff and so today we have a list of projects of 12 and 6.1 million and then the 01:45:14
bond issue come up on a couple projects. Well, maybe we're not spending enough money to bond out. 01:45:22
And so OK, so looking at this list and other lists and perhaps even departments. 01:45:30
Out of facilities that are on bad needs of things if we're going to borrow money. 01:45:39
Where would that leave us? And so if, if it, it kind of appeared to me that the, that the board kind of wanted to look into a 01:45:46
bonding issue because we have more projects than we have $6.1 million to spend on which we still need to spend that money somehow. 01:45:55
But, but if we're going to reach for bonds, OK, this, this is pretty much a facilities list. I, I don't know, other facilities 01:46:04
have some major projects that they are, are working on funding for things of that nature. 01:46:13
So I, I don't know that staff got any direction today on these on these 12 projects unless we look into bonding first, which would 01:46:23
create another work session on OK, how much money do we have? 01:46:31
Or how much money can we afford to borrow? And if we can't afford to borrow some, what is that number figure? 01:46:40
And if we do that looking at projects, then OK, what projects do we want on that list which leaves us what projects left over and 01:46:49
hopefully there be at least $6.1 million because we have to spend that money. 01:46:56
And so anyway, that, that's kind of the impression I got. And if that's what steps that I'm, I'm, I'm not sure where staff's at, 01:47:05
but that's kind of where I got out of the work session today, which brings up other work sessions. But, and anyway, as far as 01:47:13
raising taxes, I, I'm, I'm not fond of raising taxes. I'm, I'm more interested in, in reaching to create money than than to raise 01:47:21
taxes from our property owners, you know, infrastructure. 01:47:28
That's why I'm pushing Troy City so hard is because inner infrastructure would create a lot of sales tax that we're not getting 01:47:36
now. 01:47:40
Discover Healer County has been a great thing for sales tax. You know, there's just a lot of creativity where we can go future and 01:47:44
and there's always, you know, grant fundings and things that we can reach for. 01:47:51
But anyway, I, I guess I, I, I, I didn't get much out of where we're going to spend the 6.1 on these 12 projects and so. 01:47:59
I don't, I don't, I don't apologize to staff. I just, I, I feel sorry for staff sometimes when, when we get in in different 01:48:10
directions, but that that's my two cents worth on. 01:48:17
On what we covered today and I and I guess that's that's the direction I got is, is. 01:48:26
You know what, what can we, what can be, what can we afford to borrow to maybe make better decisions or different decisions on 01:48:33
what projects we're going to spend the 6.1 million and on what we're going to borrow to put up. But that's just, that's just kind 01:48:40
of what I got out of the meeting today. So Mr. Chair, that's all I have to offer. 01:48:47
Thank you. 01:48:55
I uh. 01:48:57
You know, it's just the gist of our conversations that we've had is we have far more projects than we have money. 01:49:00
And we have far more priorities than we have money. 01:49:08
So in a way I look at it is if there's a way of reaching out there to bond some of this and stretch that in to take care of this 01:49:12
12 point list at least that you folks have put together and get that much for their head on projects. I see. I see that as an 01:49:19
opportunity in a way we can do that. 01:49:26
If we, if we jump in there, I mean we want to spend 6,000,000, we could spend it probably right here in this building today. 01:49:34
We don't know on some of these projects, all these, all these costs are your best guest estimate and I'm really glad you're taking 01:49:44
the high side on it. But still that's a hard one to come out with. But so I look at this and the fact that. 01:49:50
After this money is gone. 01:49:59
There is no more money sitting out there. 01:50:02
And so how can we make it stretch as far as we can without bonding out the whole package or something to that, you know, and get 01:50:05
these projects done? That's that's the only place I'm coming from. I'm perfectly fine at spending $6 million today because my vote 01:50:12
would be in this building. 01:50:18
Well, Joseph, thanks. I think your priority list is pretty close. So I'm just going to ask James, Michael and you if you have 01:50:29
questions for us, if there is some fogginess on what. 01:50:36
What we're asking or directing? 01:50:43
This chair, member of the board. 01:50:48
Just a question, Would that be pulling pulling the board? It would be so, yeah. But I didn't I I want to leave the room. 01:50:51
Yeah, from from your conversation, the discussion, I'm going to try to say what I gathered and what our action and staff is going 01:51:03
to be. 01:51:09
Um, first of all, that the ARPA money for Project Overwatch that I believe that that's appropriate that we were going to go ahead 01:51:18
and have facilities bring that back for a vote for the board to spend those ARPA dollars and get that completely obligated. It has 01:51:26
to be obligated by this December. And so we need to take care of that. We'll be to the end of that. And that's taken care of by 01:51:34
project for a launch, which I think I've heard that we go ahead and take care of that and move forward. 01:51:41
The rest of them, if I took, I looked at. I'd juggle those numbers around and see where. 01:51:50
What we could do with what our 6.1 that we have available resources? 01:51:57
And again, I've stated it before that I don't look favorably on bonding unless it's a project that's going to last for the length 01:52:02
of bond. If we bond for some 20 years, then the whatever the project is darn real better last for 20 years. So I don't want to pay 01:52:10
for something that we have to pay for a second time before we haven't paid for the first time. 01:52:17
But if I take, if you take all that out except for the electrical in this building and perhaps the electrical at the fairgrounds. 01:52:25
We are pretty close to that $6.1 million. So we could potentially do projects 4 through 12 with our six main, maybe an extra half 01:52:34
million, $1,000,000 of general fund that would be contributed to that. 01:52:40
We do budget every single year. Money to put into your capital. 01:52:48
So the federal dollars that we've gotten are going to be. 01:52:54
Done and we'll have spent those soon, but we will continue as a part of the general fund budget annually to budget dollars for 01:52:59
capital expenditures. We just have to keep on top of it as Supervisor Christensen, you pointed out has had not been done in the 01:53:03
past. 01:53:08
And we want to correct that. 01:53:14
So with the available resources we have with the exception of the two electrical projects. 01:53:16
We're pretty close to having available resources in the $6.1 million. 01:53:23
So. 01:53:29
As far as this list, in actuality, we're pretty close. 01:53:32
To add a little bit of complication to that is we didn't talk about Monroe St. that's being handled by public works under Romero 01:53:36
shop and that's that's project to. 01:53:42
To smooth out the North Street, lower that down and redo that, that's a project that in our discussion we would propose to the 01:53:50
board to split and that's another million. 01:53:56
$1,000,000 Project or more. 01:54:03
So that's that's on top of that, but that's still all doable with the financing that we have. 01:54:06
And we're looking to do the parking lot here and Monroe St. to the West End of our property in one. 01:54:13
Project. 01:54:22
If that makes any sense or contributes to. 01:54:25
But that's that's what. And Marin had brought forward that in September, we'll bring a. 01:54:29
Unless there's something you want to pull out of it, we need to bring it back to the board before September, have a discussion 01:54:39
that we come up with. We've got projects here. We haven't presented the financing rate for it in September, we'll bring it back 01:54:46
with the financing proposal. How we do this and bring back perhaps even a bigger picture of. 01:54:52
Some things you brought up to Raj Krishnan said about the maintenance of operation long term and long term facilities. Where we go 01:55:01
with some of these facilities like Central Heights one is a long-term plan for that being A50 plus year old building. 01:55:08
To invest significant dollars in that or not? 01:55:16
So that's that's what. 01:55:19
I would I would take in September we. 01:55:25
Bring it back with the financing. 01:55:29
Potential financial solutions. 01:55:32
I think I can agree with that. I think we're a little, we're not settled on everything just yet. 01:55:35
I don't have a specific We need some more information on how to pay for some things in my mind. 01:55:41
From my standpoint, I would say that the like the security cameras with the ARPA money and Phoenix that off. 01:55:49
I would believe we would be good to go, but. 01:55:56
That would wrap up the ARPA stuff and. 01:55:59
And have that spent done. 01:56:02
The best of it, It would be nice to sit back in Maryland, would come up with some options to look out for how we could. 01:56:06
Finance all the rest of them and what direction we need to go and. 01:56:14
Go from there. 01:56:18
And there is a bigger list. Oh, I know you haven't talked about Russell vote. I was wondering when that was going to come up. So. 01:56:20
Yeah. And I think we need to kind of know maybe. 01:56:30
More than just 12, I think it'd be OK for us to see a more fuller list. I know we don't have the money to do it all, but. 01:56:34
Just a matter of knowledge saying we have, you know, we have 100 things. It's not just 12, so. 01:56:43
A lot of decisions to make, so unless there's something else, I really appreciate your presentation. 01:56:52
You guys do so much work to try and get this to us with estimates of everything. That's a lot of work. 01:57:00
And so I think we're narrowing it, I feel. 01:57:06
So September, we'll do another work session. So I've got some time. By the way, we need to work that date out because I'm going to 01:57:11
be gone part of that, OK, I don't want to be gone during that. 01:57:17
OK. Thank you, Jimmy. OK, thank you. 01:57:24
All right, our next item is 2 E Information discussion regarding an update on legislative activity in Washington, DC from Hewitt 01:57:28
County Federal lobbyist Patricia Power at. 01:57:33
Both public affairs group. 01:57:40
And hi, Patty. Hi. Hello. How are you, Patty? I'm good. Thanks. How was how was the road coming out young yesterday? Is it better 01:57:43
than coming up? 01:57:47
Good. A lot better, actually. And it was raining. Yeah, that helps. Yeah, the County Road is a lot more impressive than State Rd. 01:57:53
My untrained opinion? We're always glad to hear that. 01:58:01
Anyway, so did we lose Tim or? 01:58:07
Yeah, OK. 01:58:13
Good afternoon. 01:58:16
So you guys have been in a long meeting. I'll keep this quick. This is just a good opportunity for me to be able to talk to the 01:58:18
three of you at once. 01:58:23
So. 01:58:28
And always my. 01:58:30
I was going to say door but my phone and the e-mail box are open to you guys directly if you ever need anything but I just wanted 01:58:33
to cover a few quick things and let you get on with your day-to-day. The reason I came now is for the tunnel Creek. 01:58:41
Bridge ribbon cutting and that was a great event and it's it's a great story. 01:58:50
And there were a lot of really good speeches made. I don't need to reiterate any of the like what that done and why and how and 01:58:57
all of that. But I think one of the things that's useful to take from all of that at this point is lessons learned. You know what, 01:59:03
what did the county learn in doing that? And I think there's a, we had a meeting before this meeting just with staff about, you 01:59:10
know. 01:59:16
Moving forward on some of the big projects. So I'll bring up Russell Rd. for you, Lee. 01:59:24
So just on the on the road front, you've got Russell Rd. 512 Road Control Rd. Houston Mesa Rd. Probably leaving something out, but 01:59:29
those are probably the and, and since I've been involved with the county now. 01:59:37
Of sex mean. 01:59:45
Not Russell Rd. but those other projects have been on the list and and on a very high priority. 01:59:48
So, you know, we just look at how the bridge got done and what worked and just wanted to share a couple of things with you. And, 01:59:55
and I think it's something that I'm not going to speak on behalf of the the counties team, but but I can tell you what I will be 02:00:01
bringing to the table in the hopes of being able to do it moving forward is so I, you know, identifying a good team of folks to 02:00:06
work on it. 02:00:12
You know that was one of the. 02:00:19
The really useful things, I think Latonya Creek Bridge, you know, you had Kimberly Horn and Dave Lesko at the table right from the 02:00:21
beginning and, you know, involved right to the end. So was able to take the lessons learned as we went through and, and applied 02:00:28
again and again for for, for that big federal grant, you know, to bring those those. 02:00:35
That advice in and sort of make it better and eventually get us over the line, um. 02:00:43
Providing enough resources, I think that Healer County does a really good job and in taking the Longview on things and making 02:00:48
sure. 02:00:51
The work that's needed to get to where we need to go is funded, so just applaud there and and hope that we can keep doing that 02:00:57
going forward. 02:01:00
Identifying the right federal program to fund it. 02:01:06
You know, is a really important thing as well and something that that we work to do. 02:01:13
Developing strong political support at every level. 02:01:18
You know, for you guys here, I mean, you need, you need your county support behind you and then all the way up the line. And that 02:01:22
just takes a lot of effort and, and time, but is, is perfectly doable. So even if it's a federal grant and there may not even be 02:01:30
any state money involved, making sure your state folks are on board with it, you know, like at the end of the day on the bridge. 02:01:39
Having the governor weigh in. 02:01:49
Turned out to be helpful and it's not necessarily something you think of in in going for federal money. And then probably bottom 02:01:51
line in all of it is persistence and listening to you all talk this morning about, well, we know it's going to take a while. 02:01:59
It it is a very wise observation and one that a lot of people, when they're dealing with the federal government don't have. 02:02:08
So, you know, it's a challenge. All of these grants have federal grants have cost benefit requirements, and it's just tough when 02:02:15
you're really rural. So So anyway, I just wanted to leave you with those sort of general thoughts about about moving forward 02:02:22
because it's great the bridge is done, but there's a lot more work to do, so we'll keep looking. 02:02:30
A quick earmark update. Michael touched on a number of things this year. 02:02:39
The county submitted a total of four. We just heard back within the last couple of weeks from the Senate offices that they have 02:02:45
forwarded two of the four to the Senate Appropriations Committee, which is really good news. The the first one was for the three 02:02:53
additional ADA compliant cabins for the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat. 02:03:01
We did get the earmark for the one of them and unfortunately the Agriculture Department is putting Marin through the paces of 02:03:10
trying to actually get that money. But but I. 02:03:15
Totally confident that she will. 02:03:20
And so basically the way what that breaks down to is each of the cabins was estimated by the county that cost a half $1,000,000. 02:03:24
So the the the earmark cost shares are based on the program that's being earmarked. So for that program it's a rural development 02:03:33
out of the ag department. Each for each one the county would get $333,000 from the. 02:03:41
AG department and then have to put up $167,000. So so we'll see. I mean it's that request. One of the reasons it might have gone 02:03:50
forward is the committee liked it. They funded one of them before and it's it's a separable project. So if they're doing numbers 02:03:57
at the end and they're like well we've got you know we've got a little more money. So you know this one gives them the option they 02:04:04
can give you enough for 1-2 or three but. 02:04:11
Hopefully they'll give us all three and we'll we'll be we'll be done with that then. And the second one was was for 512 road 02:04:19
construction. So there was a near mark a couple years ago for to finish the design for the entire roadway and and Homero reports 02:04:25
that. 02:04:31
That they are now at 60% design, which is really far along, and the rest of it should be done pretty quickly. So what the senators 02:04:39
forwarded to the committee was $2,991,000. 02:04:47
And that would be for construction. So we'd have to see, you know, is that a mile? Is it 2 miles, You know? 02:04:55
You know, I'm, I'm sure the county will make that last in an effective way, so. 02:05:02
Unlike the bridge where you can't build part of the bridge, you know, we needed all the money before it could go these Rd. 02:05:09
projects, you can, it's not optimal. I mean, it's, you know, there's, there's a lot of money lost and mobilization, demobilization 02:05:17
and all of that. But at least if you can keep getting chunks of it done until it's done. So that's kind of the plan for there 02:05:24
where that's at now. The committee, the Senate Appropriations Committee hasn't started marking up any. 02:05:31
Feels like the subcommittee or committee level that will have to happen next. 02:05:39
And then sort of end of the day. 02:05:44
Both houses of Congress are going to have to get their appropriations bills to a point where they can compromise and get them 02:05:48
passed optimistically. We see something by the end of the year. 02:05:54
Realistically, I'm gonna say it's probably gonna be a little later than. 02:06:00
This is a. 02:06:05
Kind of contentious election year, so. 02:06:07
Right about now, things are really slowing down. I mean, they're still doing a lot of work, but. 02:06:10
There's a a waiting going on between. Do I really want to get it done before the election or may I be in better shape on my 02:06:17
position post election? 02:06:21
So we're starting to see that. So it'll be it should be a very busy lame duck session in any case. 02:06:27
Umm, any questions about your marks? 02:06:34
Supply the client. I don't think I really do. You know, it's, it's, it's just, I mean, we, we put them out there and we hope 02:06:38
they're funded and if they're not, we run at them again next year. That's, that's just, I mean, that's just the way it is. And we, 02:06:43
there's nothing we can do to help any of that. 02:06:48
You know, and like those Rd. projects especially, to have them in that mix is a good thing. 02:06:54
You know that'll that'll give us. 02:07:01
Give us a huge benefit if we can collect some of that money, you know, and not only like the 512 and whatnot, but we also have the 02:07:03
Control Rd. 02:07:07
And the Russell Rd. 02:07:12
And so. 02:07:15
I'm going to just keep plugging away. 02:07:16
Yeah, Patty. So we're very small amount of public land. 02:07:21
And so round numbers 2/3 of what we spend is. 02:07:27
Grant money and things like that, so it's vital. 02:07:32
Yeah, yeah. So and I meant to start with this, but the presentation on the facilities projects is so helpful for me because I mean 02:07:35
that's that's what we start with when we start to put a list together. 02:07:44
Of what's request and one of the things we've touched on a little bit this morning is is we should probably start a little 02:07:53
earlier. I don't know that it would guarantee that we wouldn't still be scrambling it, you know an hour before the deadline at 02:07:59
midnight to get it all together and end but. 02:08:05
You know, it's a similar kind of approach. I mean, there's a lot of things that need to be done. What makes the most sense to 02:08:12
submit? And sometimes the answer may be maybe not your number one priority, but the one that's most likely to get over the line. 02:08:20
So, you know, I spent a lot of time talking to the the the Senate office in advance. Like, what do you guys want to see this year? 02:08:29
So, you know, we try to be, as you know, have your request positioned as effectively as possible, at least going into the Senate 02:08:40
offices. That's where our control kind of ends. And it's, it is, it is tough because we don't, it's kind of based on what else 02:08:46
everybody else submits. 02:08:53
So like one year they needed agriculture. 02:09:01
Projects. Well, we gave them a lot of agriculture projects the next year. The next year they were flooded with agriculture 02:09:04
projects. 02:09:07
So anyway, yeah. 02:09:13
We'll keep keep at it. 02:09:15
So the final thing I wanted to just touch on and really quickly. 02:09:17
What do you and I talked about this yesterday, but for the rest of the board? 02:09:22
Woody and Kathy have been working on this land transfer bill for the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat, and it's made great 02:09:28
progress. So it is. It is done in the House past the House of Representatives on the suspension calendar in May. It is. It's made 02:09:36
a lot of progress through the Senate. It has been reported out of the Senate. 02:09:44
Energy and Natural Resources Committee, So it's it's been reported to the floor of the Senate, so it's ready to go. 02:09:52
Senator Kelly's office tried to get it passed on its own sometimes. 02:10:02
You know, in a very, you know, a bipartisan, completely non controversial bill, which is what this is, you can get it passed on on 02:10:07
suspension. It works differently in the House and the Senate. And but they gave it a try and the process is called hotline. So 02:10:15
they literally, and I think they do it the way they've always done it, like they send around a paper sign off in among all hundred 02:10:22
offices saying, you know, are you OK with this going on the suspension calendar? 02:10:30
And it only takes 1 senator to say no and someone said no. 02:10:38
And it was not going to be negotiable. So the most likely outcome for the bill in the Senate right now is probably what was always 02:10:44
the likely outcome for, for a bill like this is it will be rolled into a package coming out of the committee of jurisdiction. And 02:10:51
they are working on a recreation package right now. Lots of times those packages get done right at the end of the session. So 02:10:59
that's that's the hope at this point is that that recreation package. 02:11:06
Is completed and and moves, probably post election. 02:11:14
If the bill in the House and the Senate is identical, so if each body passes the same bill, then it goes directly to the president 02:11:20
and can be signed, and there's no reason why it wouldn't be signed. 02:11:26
Um, if if it doesn't happen. 02:11:32
Post You know, during the lame duck session, the Senate doesn't pass the bill, everything goes away, and then you start back over 02:11:36
again. 02:11:40
For the next session of Congress, which would be in January of 2025. 02:11:45
As I explained to Woody, it's not like you're starting really, really from square one. You've got a bill that progressed really 02:11:52
far. So it'll have to be reintroduced and then it will get, you know, it would move to the Doctor prequel. 02:11:58
Document so it's it's tough sometimes it's hard to move big things, but be almost as hard to move something small and non 02:12:05
controversial, even though you would think. 02:12:10
It shouldn't. No one objects. 02:12:15
That's where we are. You know, Patty, that was my question. And it had been, and I think I told you this is how come they don't 02:12:18
just run it on its own merit? And then obviously they did. And so my hat's off to Senator Kelly. He's been a huge supporter of 02:12:24
this bill anyway. He really has. His office has worked really hard on it. And so I mean, he's trying. 02:12:31
And we just have to roll with it and works out by you said December 31st. Well, when they they adjourn signee die. So it sort of 02:12:38
depends. I mean it sometimes they adjourn early. You know, if they're all done, they would they like to get out of town before 02:12:44
Christmas. 02:12:51
But there have been years, I mean, I've, you know, I've been working on stuff on New Year's Eve. 02:12:59
Well, we can only hope that it goes on through and and I mean, we've pushed on it from every angle possible and right now it's 02:13:06
going to just sit back and wait and see. It'll be a huge plus for the county. It's a really good county project and. 02:13:12
And it'll happen if it doesn't happen this year, it'll happen next year, so. 02:13:19
Yeah, you've got, I mean, you've got really strong bipartisan support. 02:13:24
I think so. Maybe not in each chamber, but yeah, right, right. 02:13:27
And it's, and I think, you know, generally projects for veterans or strong support. 02:13:34
But that's what I had on my list, and if there's anything you guys have for me, I would really like to listen in on the next 02:13:43
workshop you have on these projects. 02:13:48
You know, just. 02:13:54
I can just. 02:13:56
Zoom in or whatever your process is to do that because I think it's just going to be really helpful for the earmark. 02:13:57
Process, Mr. Chair, if I may. Yes, one thing Patty, that we've had an issue with from the time we've been in office and especially 02:14:06
on these fires every year is, is the government when, when the fire is over, they brush off their hands and walk away the next 02:14:11
one. 02:14:15
They don't leave any money behind. And and that to me is an issue from a county standpoint. I know it's been an issue because 02:14:21
we've had to pick up the pieces and, you know, have this agency, that agency, you know, collect some money from the state. 02:14:28
However, it is to just try and scrape by to put people back together. And I'd like to see somehow there be a push. 02:14:36
On some of these incidents when, when that bear team is there, there's some kind of identification on what's going to go forward 02:14:44
and what it's going to take to to kind of patch things up and that money be left behind to do that with or without the 02:14:52
government's involvement. But but the money is there whether it's in a grant form or whatever would be awesome. You know, we said 02:15:00
here during the Moscow fire and the Telegraph fire and, and burned up a lot of people and homes and and whatnot and when the. 02:15:07
Government walked away from it. We didn't have anywhere to go. 02:15:16
Only thing thank goodness is the state is what stepped up and helped us in that. 02:15:19
Where I felt the government should have been sitting there with some kind of a process to help us start putting people back 02:15:24
together. And. And that's got to happen up there on the Hill, You know, that's that's got to be our representatives. That's got to 02:15:31
be somebody that they're willing to take that and push it to try and get that back in place. At one time it was there, yeah, yeah. 02:15:38
But. But their teams didn't just leave and leave nothing but. 02:15:44
That, I mean, that would be a great thing to talk to our delegation about because they hear about it when it happens again. I know 02:15:54
over the last couple of fires, Kelly's been out here while they're still burning even, so they appreciate that. 02:16:01
This might be a good Nako issue, you know, where you'd have a much broader base of people who are having the same experience, no 02:16:10
doubt asking the same questions and. 02:16:16
So yeah, put that on the list. So I I had one more thing for you, OK. 02:16:22
So here just not too many months ago, we had a young lady here from Hilo Canal aging and gave us a presentation on our senior 02:16:28
centers and money and everything like that. Well, I didn't realize it until that presentation that a lot of the, well, all the 02:16:36
federal money that comes to our, our, our area for senior centers and whatnot is through the Older Americans Act. 02:16:44
And according to her, that act has been saving there kind of stagnant for many years. And I, and I took that to mean like the 02:16:54
money has always been the same year in, year out, yadda, yadda, yadda. We're in reality out on the ground, we're faced with 02:17:01
inflation, we're faced with wages difference and, and all of this for, for our seniors. 02:17:07
And it's not reflected through the Older Americans Act. Well, they just renewed that act in March. 02:17:14
But I haven't had a chance to see if they adjusted the actual numbers, the dollars on it or if they just worked with the process. 02:17:21
I'm kind of thinking at this time they just updated some processes in that act. But that is is something that's real important 02:17:27
here. Patty, we. 02:17:33
We had voted to give our senior centers $165,000 from the county this year. 02:17:40
And whatnot and so. 02:17:50
We've taken a real hard commitment commitment from the county to help support these folks. I. 02:17:53
And in reality is, is it is a federal deal, but there's no way we can shrink that either. And, and not not help them. So I would 02:18:01
like to try and track this down. And if need be, that'll be a point of some of my meetings in DC with our people. I've already 02:18:09
started it through Congressman Crane to ask them to check into it. But but I we need to push on that. 02:18:17
We for it has more effect I believe on our in our rural counties and does anything because these counties and with these senior 02:18:26
centers that are way out in the middle of nothing like. 02:18:32
Hayden and Winkelman there, they, they support people all the way down that copper corridor and make a big circle and those rural 02:18:38
communities, that's the only people our seniors see on a regular basis is when they roll up there to help them on meals or 02:18:46
whatever it is. So, so there's a real big need there to try and work somehow to get some more money on the ground. 02:18:53
Through that act. 02:19:01
No, I mean I can. I can look and see what they did in the recent reauthorization and. 02:19:03
You begin with James about what what all you are doing and have some county contact on the staff level. Yeah, for sure. I mean at 02:19:08
least one shouldn't be any problem to get back to you about what what they've done. 02:19:15
But yeah, that would be awesome. Thank you. 02:19:24
Supervisor Humphrey. 02:19:28
Oh no, I just I wanna thank you very much for all that you helped us with as far as funding in the past. And and I've got one 02:19:30
major project that I'm that that's really needing funding in my district and that's a Tri-City trying to reduce sewer between 02:19:37
globally and and so anyway, I. 02:19:44
I that's something that we, we need to look into and, and obviously after the meeting today, infrastructure. 02:19:52
Is is important to rural communities because we we just have things that we. 02:20:01
We can. We can't afford to have major things happen and I know it can always come back that we can raise taxes, but. 02:20:09
It won't do any good to keep raising taxes if you're not creating infrastructure too, because you know, you can only tap that well 02:20:20
so many times before it's not doing you any good. So that's why I, you know, I, I'm a big infrastructure guy because I would 02:20:25
rather. 02:20:30
Work to creating infrastructure than I would to raising taxes and so but no, I just I just want to thank you very much and I 02:20:36
appreciate you having a meeting at 1:00 today very much and so that's all I have. Thank you most welcome. So and just you know 02:20:44
it's there's takes Congress a long time to get the big infrastructure building which is basically the highway bill. There's some 02:20:53
other things in there the last one passed into 2021. 02:21:01
IIJA, which was huge and had a lot of good stuff in there for rural America. 02:21:09
That bill expires in 2026, so I haven't started hearings or anything yet, but there are they are as chatter about getting ready 02:21:17
for the reauthorization. So you know, Infrastructure week will be back. Good. Yeah, that's coming too. Thank you, Patty. I really 02:21:24
appreciate you coming our way and. 02:21:31
Talking to all of us and all of your concerns and all of the work that you do, really appreciate that. Thank you for the 02:21:39
presentation. 02:21:44
And love to see you guys in DC too. So still trying to get some feedback on the pelt fly in and then, you know, as things come up. 02:21:49
It really makes a big difference when you guys come back and I mean, you've all been there. You know, Tim, we went over to dot 02:21:59
about the bridge that time. I mean, there's it. It makes a difference. People are impressed when. 02:22:05
When you make the trip and and you make a trip to tell them this is so important to you have taken. 02:22:12
And I know, I mean for you guys to come, it's a day there, a day back, plus however many days you're walking around. 02:22:18
To help us go forward, Yeah, and your DPW department does a really good job on. 02:23:02
Doing all of those follow-ups and making sure we get that feedback because it really makes a difference, yeah. 02:23:08
Thank you. Thanks, Patty. Yeah, just get back with us on the date for that Pilt. And yes, I've asked, I have not heard back yet. 02:23:15
So we're we're not only looking for the date on that, but also looking for the. 02:23:20
$2024.00 So OK, yeah, they should be coming. 02:23:26
OK, thank you. Thank you, Patty. Appreciate it. Thank you. So item number 5 is called to the public. Anyone here? Globe? No. Lisa, 02:23:31
how are we? 02:23:36
OK. Thank you. And Cassandra, how many do we have today? 02:23:44
Excellent. That's we're doing better every day, every time. Thank you very much. I'll close that now item number four, we'll start 02:23:55
with James on. 02:23:59
Presentations. Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, I just wanted to briefly acknowledge the ribbon cutting at the Tom Creek Bridge 02:24:06
on Saturday. 02:24:10
Sort of hungry. I appreciate your leadership on getting that done That has been made. Comments that you reached out, You made 02:24:17
those trips to Washington, DC Talk to the USDOT Department of Transportation. 02:24:23
And debriefed and got other information to help improvement. 02:24:29
It made a huge difference of your leadership and what you brought to that and I. 02:24:34
I just appreciate it because it's a huge project. Mentioned Saturday that it was on time, it was completed on time. 02:24:41
And that also we had to put up as a county had to put up some contingency dollars. We are going to get most of that contingency 02:24:50
back. 02:24:54
So a project of that magnitude of that size that we are getting money back from as a candidate to invest in other projects from 02:24:58
accounting and on time is. 02:25:04
From my experience, almost unheard of. 02:25:11
So, Humphrey, thank you for your leadership and thank you for working with all of the county staff and getting that done. 02:25:14
Miss Power and I made quite a trip around the county yesterday to look at the projects, get that visual of what things are going 02:25:22
on. So that relates when we're talking to Washington DC to have that. So we spent a whole day yesterday and have an additional 02:25:29
visits, one of them to go up to Oak Flats and take a look at the operation on a surface in Oak Flats and see that copper mining 02:25:36
operation. 02:25:43
Late this afternoon. 02:25:51
So that we can be we purpose. 02:25:52
Healer County supports coffee. 02:25:57
And we want to be able to make sure we've got that message as accounting and and still looking forward to that visit this 02:26:00
afternoon. 02:26:03
And no, it was it, it was, it was great to walk across that bridge. It's been an 8 year challenge for me and for staff. And so I 02:26:41
to, to as a contractor, when you build something and, and walk away from it, it's a great feeling. But it, and I've done that many 02:26:51
times, just never with something quite so large. And so it was a great feeling to have that for the. 02:27:01
Safety and like I say, infrastructure for Healer County because now it opened that so for future money and and it's not raising 02:27:11
taxes. It's creating that tax revenue by creating infrastructure which helped in Washington too. You telling me live on 3 1/2 02:27:19
percent of your tax base. They don't believe you when you're 5000 square miles. But anyway it it it was a great feeling to to walk 02:27:27
across that and have that behind us and knowing these monsoons in winter. 02:27:35
We don't. We don't have to worry about lives. Are people challenging their lives to to go to work or to school? 02:27:45
And other than that, I've just got meetings coming up. We've got a new month starting and around the 1st of the month always do my 02:27:53
public meetings and and the outer Roosevelt, Donald Basin guy, see Lynn, things of that nature. And so anyway, that's all, Mr. 02:28:01
Chair, Thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Klein. Yeah, thank you. 02:28:08
Mr. Chair, Soya is a good print out on there. Well, Merrill, I think a lot of this is on was on your shoulders pulling this bridge 02:28:18
off. You did an outstanding job on it. 02:28:22
You know, there are circumstances out there that got that bridge built, but you carried it on through and got it done. And that 02:28:28
was one big project to do. So I think you need a lot of lot of credit there to pull that one off. Not everybody could have done 02:28:33
that. 02:28:38
So anyway. 02:28:45
Yeah, well, I know who leads the team so and and I'm not not making light of their work by any means. They did an awesome job, but 02:28:47
but it takes somebody in the lead of that to be get there so. 02:28:54
Tomorrow I'm going to be meeting with APS in the Forest Service and Payson. 7:45 in the morning. We're going to catch a helicopter 02:29:03
and fly the future Canyon APS lines. 02:29:08
Take a look at that and this goes back to the public safety power shut off issue that we're all having. And we're we're trying to 02:29:15
look at those lines and come up with a solution and I think we're going to come up with one. 02:29:21
We it's mostly for service and APS, but they're going to go in there and look at extending some maintenance beyond their right of 02:29:29
ways. And I didn't realize it at the time, but but those secondary lines like that they're right away is only consist of about 20 02:29:35
feet down country. 02:29:41
When you're going through 80 foot tall trees, that's not very much. And so, so that's, that's kind of the the gist of what's going 02:29:48
to be looking at is how, how far maybe the Forest Service is going to go and step out of that right away to secure that line. 02:29:56
For anything to really happening that hopefully would alleviate them, turn the power switch off. 02:30:05
And so. 02:30:13
So I'll be there tomorrow to do that also. Umm. 02:30:14
On the 27, I guess I'm going to be in Round Valley with you. We have a meeting in Round Valley on the 27th with some folks. I've 02:30:20
got a meeting in Christopher Creek and a meeting in Whispering Pines. 02:30:26
The next day so. 02:30:33
Also, I want to say thank you to you Homer. You're you're true public works crew is awesome on that chip seating now. 02:30:35
They did a really good job with that chip Seal and Young. I didn't get to look at the rest, but, but I I'm pretty sure what I've 02:30:44
seen in Young is what happened in other places that they laid that down. So he did an awesome job. They finished a little over 3 02:30:49
miles right there in town. 02:30:54
3 miles doesn't seem like a lot, but when you're in the middle of houses and homes and the dust and all that, it means a lot. It 02:31:01
also means that they don't have to worry about maintenance on it every other week to pull those roads back together. Hopefully 02:31:08
this will serve the purpose for a while. So it came out very well. They they did it in a real timely manner. They got it done and. 02:31:15
I think 2 1/2, maybe three days. So they did an awesome job. 02:31:23
Other than that, that's all I had, Mr. Chair. Thank you. So I don't have a lot. I will say, though, that the bridge in Tono is 02:31:27
amazing. I remember hearing a story about Boulder Dam or Hoover Dam, whatever they call it. I. 02:31:35
Like need first damn ever put on the mighty Colorado. 02:31:43
Giant Dam. 02:31:49
So large of a project, they had to hire two massive contractors to work together. It was done ahead of schedule and under budget, 02:31:52
if you can believe a project of that magnitude. And we did that or should I say you did that with the bridge and so. 02:32:02
It's it's really easy on my part. 02:32:14
With the constituents. 02:32:20
To say look. 02:32:24
This I didn't do it personally, but he the county did something special and we did under you know, had a schedule under budget are 02:32:25
not words you hear too much anymore, especially on a project that massive so and I don't think we killed a snake or anything so. 02:32:35
Everything, it was all good. Everything went really well. I don't really have anything else. So unless there's anything else and I 02:32:45
will go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Thanks. 02:32:50
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OK, we have Tuesday, June 25th, 2020 4:10 AM. I'll call this meeting to order. I've asked Jeff Dalton to lead us in the Pledge of 00:00:09
Allegiance and then Woody has a few comments. 00:00:15
United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for 00:00:26
all. 00:00:32
You guys, I don't know, I'm sure everybody here knows, but Tom Foster passed away last week. So Tom was the director of Bullion 00:00:40
Plaza, but he's also heavily involved in. 00:00:45
Historical stuff in for the state and he was on several different boards and was a real good member for us to have here in Halo 00:00:51
County and super good guy to talk to and be around and and work with. So I'd like to just take a moment of silence and Tom's 00:00:58
behalf and then we'll go from there. 00:01:05
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:01:19
Well, it looks like we have a short agenda, but I don't believe we do. 00:01:29
Not very many items, but it's going to take a little while to get through this. So I'd like to say item 2A, we'll start off with 00:01:35
that, but I'd also like to say this is Jeff Dalton's probably his last presentation before the board before he retires. And so 00:01:41
he's worked for HeLa County for. 00:01:48
I don't know how long, many, many, many years, 17 years. You've worked for us longer than that, though. You worked prior to that. 00:01:56
Did you work prior to that? 00:02:01
OK, so we wish you the best. 00:02:10
And happy retirement. And you've served Healer County well. We appreciate that very much So, yeah. 00:02:15
You're welcome. Item 2A information discussion action to authorize and direct the healer County Attorney to sign and submit the 00:02:22
required participation forms, including the general release so that he the county may participate or itself in the City of 00:02:29
Winkelmann in the new opioid litigation settlement with Kroger Company. 00:02:36
I'm grateful to be able to make this presentation for you. 00:02:50
Mr. Chairman and Supervisors, today I'm asking you to approve. 00:02:53
Healer County's participation in the next opioid litigation settlement. 00:03:00
What this is, is you have already approved nine previous. 00:03:07
Opioid litigation settlements against nine major. 00:03:12
National companies. This is the 10th one against Kroger Company, which is the national grocery store pharmaceutical. 00:03:17
Chain part of the supply chain of the opioids which have. 00:03:25
Been say that it's been a devastating crisis. 00:03:31
What this is, is a. 00:03:36
You authorize the County Attorney. 00:03:38
And he can sign a general release and the participation forms that are necessary to start this movie by the middle of August. 00:03:40
Will be determined whether the participation has been enough with the States and the subdivisions that the settlement will be 00:03:53
finalized. 00:03:57
And if it is, then their portion of the settlement would be around $1.2 billion. 00:04:01
Mean about another $68 million in settlement to the state of Arizona, which will bring the states total up over a billion dollars 00:04:08
in settlement. 00:04:13
These are important because and provide additional funding for substance abuse disorder prevention and treatment to elevate. 00:04:18
Those functions. 00:04:28
Happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Dalton. Supervisor Humphrey, I have no questions. Supervisor Klein, I don't believe 00:04:30
I do either. Jeff, thanks for putting all that together. 00:04:36
Yeah, thank you. And with that, I'll call for motion. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to authorize and direct the Heel County 00:04:43
Attorney to sign and submit the required participation forms, including the general release of the Elite county may participate 00:04:50
for itself and the Town of Winkelman in the new opioid litigation settlement with Krueger Company. 00:04:58
Mr. Cheryl Seconder OK, motion and a second to approve. Those in favor say aye, aye. Thank you and best of luck to you, Jeff. 00:05:06
Thank you. OK. 00:05:11
Item 2B Information and discussion regarding the possibility of waiving the $72,000 administrative cost for the sewer connection 00:05:17
fee from the Hewlett County Community Development Department for the Tri-City Regional Sanitary District during the district sewer 00:05:24
line installation construction project. I have Michael O'Driscoll. Good morning, Chairman, members of the board. So today is just 00:05:30
a brief discussion about the possibility of waiving some fees for the Tri-City Sanitary District, and I'll go into a little bit of 00:05:36
detail. 00:05:42
When they start construction. 00:05:49
Tri-City Sanitary District of their sewer line installation. Each installation requires an inspection from the community 00:05:51
Development department and we charge a $75.00 fee to go ahead and do that inspection and issue a permit. We have about 1800 homes 00:06:01
in this area and it's likely that we're not going to have the resources needed to go do all of these inspections because each 00:06:10
inspection requires several trips out to the property, not just one trip. And so we've been in discussions with with. 00:06:19
Tri-City and what we can do to make it easier for them as well as easier for the county. And one of the strategies is are we we 00:06:28
operate under the International Building Code through community development. And what the International Building Code allows us to 00:06:36
do is to have our chief building officer, in this case Randy designate a special inspector. Pardon me. What that means is 00:06:43
basically. 00:06:50
Apologize, I'm all choked up. 00:06:59
So Oh yes, Sir, thank you. 00:07:02
Thank you supervisor. So what that means is. 00:07:10
Gathering the paperwork and entering it into our computer system. So the discussion is is coming in front of the board and seeing 00:07:53
the potential of that $40 administrative costs, working with Tri-City to waive that fee for a total of approximately $72,000 over 00:08:04
about 7 to 10 year period. It's not 72,000 a year, it's not 72,001 given time, this project is is supposed to go 7 to 10 years. 00:08:14
For each to complete all three phases, so the 72,000 would be over a period of seven to 10 years. So probably an average about 6 00:08:24
to 7000 a year is what we're thinking in administrative costs. And so that's what I'm here to sort of answer any questions you 00:08:31
have and sort of hear your thoughts on that. 00:08:38
OK. And this is a work session portion of our meeting, so Supervisor Humphrey? 00:08:46
Yeah. Just one question is that the hookups will be taken care of by the colonial, is that correct? And and so I'm wondering if 00:08:54
that would not include the. 00:09:00
Inspection fees as well as the hookups. I mean, it's just something that we could look into perhaps. I mean, and, and, and I have 00:09:07
no problem. 00:09:12
In, in, in, in waving. But I mean, I just something I wanted to bring up to see if it might be possible. Mr. Chair, I think there 00:09:17
might be someone might want to speak to that as well. But if you want to come on up. 00:09:23
Thank you, Mike. 00:09:34
Thank you, Board Supervisors and Chairman Mike Krebs. I'm the engineer with Tri-City and I certainly hope 7 to 10 years is not 00:09:36
correct because I'm getting too old for that, but I. 00:09:43
Definitely the Colonia can take care of some of those costs. What we were just trying to do is to work a balance. We the the 00:09:52
district recognizes that the county still has cost that they will be incurring. And so if we can, you know, get somewhere and make 00:09:58
a happy meeting and I think the district and the, you know, can justify that with, with the the people we're just looking at, we 00:10:04
all know where costs are going. 00:10:10
And so every dollar that we can, you know, work to help cut costs for the project is is obviously beneficial to everyone. OK, 00:10:16
Yeah, no, that was just a question that I had and I'm it. It's great to hear that they're that close. It's encouraging. And that 00:10:24
that's all the questions that I had. Thank you. 00:10:32
I'm very supportive of the project and I'm glad to hear that that close and and if there's anything I can do to help, I'm living. 00:10:41
Thank you. Thank you, supervisor. And just to follow up on that question, we did look into that as far as who pays the fees and 00:10:49
our ordinance sort of requires that we receive a fee. So and there are government taxing bodies and we're able to go ahead and 00:10:56
waive the fee if necessary. Thank you, Mike. Supervisor Klein. 00:11:03
So Michael, just to get this right and like that, so we waved his feet and it's going to there's not going to be any cost to the 00:11:11
homeowners and as far as that goes. 00:11:16
The connection, the Colonia, the areas of Colonia area. And so because of that there is funding that is through the cloning of 00:11:22
grants, I think it's about 7 million that is specifically dedicated to hook up from the lateral to the home and then abandoned in 00:11:30
place the tanks that are that are currently there so. 00:11:39
All right. Well, thank you. 00:11:47
OK so I need help understanding this. Normally we would garner 135,000. 00:11:50
For this project, because that's based on $75, correct? And by doing this alternative inspection process? 00:11:58
It's reduced to $72,000. 00:12:08
Right and. 00:12:12
And now you're asking us to waive charging the 72,000? 00:12:15
Chairman, I'm not asking an action. Well, right, but you're proposing that and so? 00:12:21
What cost is it to the county to go through this process if we're not going to charge a fee? 00:12:29
Well, per per minutes we, we figured it out to be a $40 per permit. There's 1800 homes. So eventually when all 1800 get hooked up, 00:12:37
that's the $72,000 there. So over a period of time of this construction, it's administrative cost about $40 per permit. 00:12:46
And so we're we would absorb that correct. Absolutely. OK. And So what is other than saving some money for the Tri-City sanitary, 00:12:55
what what would be my motivation to do that just to assist them in getting the project done to decide to reduce some of the costs 00:13:03
that have been incurred that have been increasing each year with labor, with materials. Have we done that to others or are we 00:13:10
willing to do that to others? Or is this setting some kind of a. 00:13:18
Favoritism. 00:13:26
Scenario well running this by the county attorney's office, it's a it's a government agency so we're able to to waive fees from 00:13:28
government agencies. We can't do it for private industry those kinds of things because of a gift clause, right. I'm just trying to 00:13:35
protect the county's interest so I understand the other interests I mean that that's obvious I just want to make sure that if 00:13:42
we're going to take a hit that. 00:13:49
It's justifiable. I understand, Sir. OK, when we talk about some more. 00:13:58
I would just, Mr. Chair, if I may, I would just say for the infrastructure purposes. 00:14:05
And for the water table purposes. 00:14:11
To me that's money well spent and rather than taking a hit, I think it helps the community very much and infrastructure as well as 00:14:16
protecting our water tables. 00:14:23
I would, I would think too, Michael, by doing this, we're going to just transfer the majority of that workload over to Tri-City 00:14:33
Sanitation. I mean, that's, and we're going to save the homeowner some money and, and the in the long run from this, correct. 00:14:39
That's the thought process when we, when we appoint a special inspector, which by the way, we do on a regular basis because 00:14:44
there's certain construction that we don't have the expertise to provide those inspections for, you know, the issue to Co by the 00:14:50
occupancy permit, so. 00:14:56
Absolutely. That's going to that's going to save the county on resources as well. And then all we would do is incur the 00:15:02
administrative cost which is accepting the permits from Tri-City and the inspector and then uploading those to our system. Thank 00:15:08
you. 00:15:13
Given the balance of all that, I can see where this could be advantageous to do this. 00:15:20
In the long run. 00:15:27
Thank you, Sir. Mr. Chairman. Yes, Sir. Can I follow up on supervisor have this question and I just probably stated but I missed 00:15:29
it, but I. 00:15:33
With a colonial grant this several men that set aside, would that cover this day or was it stated that it will not? 00:15:37
Cannot be included. 00:15:46
I think that the Colonia grant could apply to anything that's related to getting it hooked up. And so if that permit is necessary 00:15:50
and part of it, it could be utilized, I would say towards that, yes. So it's something that's not been determined yet. 00:15:58
That we should explore. 00:16:07
Yes. 00:16:09
Thank you. 00:16:13
Thank you. Any further discussion? 00:16:14
I'm good, OK. 00:16:20
Thank you. Do you have a clear path, Michael? 00:16:22
You feel like sure OK all right let's move on Thank you Item 2C information discussion regarding the county animal control and 00:16:26
control programs, operations and facility updates and we have John and. 00:16:33
Manuel riddled. 00:16:42
Good morning, Chairman, members of the Board. 00:16:44
Manuel was going to present today, but there's a portion where he's going to talk about our Facebook program. So I'm going to kind 00:16:48
of lead into that right now a little bit and so. 00:16:54
So I'll go ahead and start. 00:17:02
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