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  • A. Information/Discussion regarding Ordinance No.23-08 - Vacation Rental and Short-Term Rental Uses, which was adopted by the Gila County Board of Supervisors on December23. (Michael O'Driscoll)
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OK. Good morning, everyone. 00:00:02
Oh, thank you. 00:00:07
The pile is getting deep today. So today is Tuesday, August 27th, 2024. It's a little after 10. I'd like to call this meeting to 00:00:09
order, and I've asked James Manlove if he would lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance if you'd all stand. 00:00:16
OK. 00:00:24
And. 00:00:33
One nation under God, individual liberty and justice world. 00:00:36
Thank you. 00:00:43
No invitation today. The. 00:00:50
The first item is item 2A, which I presume is what a lot of people are here to talk about. And so the staff will present in the 00:00:54
advisors will discuss with staff several things and then. 00:01:02
We have a number of people that would like to make comments or that, and so we'll do it in that order. So item 2A is information 00:01:11
and Discussion regarding ordinance #2023-08, the vacation rental and short term rental uses, which was adopted by the New York 00:01:19
County Board of Supervisors on December 5th, 2023 and. 00:01:27
Randy or Michael, who's presenting this morning, Josh. 00:01:36
OK. Good morning, Josh. 00:01:41
Good morning, Chairman, Supervisor. So you know, we decided. 00:01:44
This originally came to us because there were complaints in a board meeting back in like June or July of last year and we had 00:01:50
members of the public asking us, you know. 00:01:54
What we could do about this issue or supervisors presented staff with the challenge of coming up with some kind of an ordinance 00:01:59
that would match and and work towards a resolution for the issues that the citizens brought up. 00:02:06
Rule Wendy Rogers, representative brought this to the state attorney general's office to look at the ordinance that we have. I 00:02:44
wanted to read a couple of highlights from this just to make sure that everybody in the room and the Board of Supervisors has a 00:02:50
special on your mind on page two of the state ordinance of the response because he the county ordinance #2023 dash OA imposes 00:02:57
regulations for public health and safety rather than using. 00:03:04
A zoning ordinance specific to vacation and short term rentals. The ordinance does not conflict with ARS 11269.17 B 2. 00:03:11
Which is the zoning ordinance or the short term rental ordinance In his analysis, he said you've asked this office to consider 00:03:19
whether he The county ordinance #2023-08 conflicts with ARS 11269.17 B2 by imposing requirements unique the vacation and short 00:03:26
term rentals. 00:03:32
And the state attorney general decided that it does not. 00:03:39
Referring specifically to ARS 11269.17 B 1, the statute notes that those provisions may specifically include rules and regulations 00:03:46
related to fire and building codes, health and sanitation, transportation or traffic control, or solid and hazardous, solid and 00:03:53
hazardous waste and pollution control. 00:04:00
I just wanted to bring those up as we go through some of the changes that we've made for presenting for this work session. So at 00:04:11
the last work session, the board challenged us to relook at the ordinance based on some of the new issues that have been brought 00:04:17
up. We went through especially there was a really helpful line by line reading from the attorney that was working with the STR 00:04:22
owners. 00:04:28
They gave a pretty thorough line by line reading through the ordinance, which was actually very helpful for us. 00:04:34
So we went through that and the complaints that happened and let me go through some of the changes that we've presented to you for 00:04:40
the ordinance. 00:04:43
So from the original ordinance till now under 2.2 point one, we changed the permitted fee from $250 to $225.00. I can tell you as 00:04:47
the Director of Public Health I have is the board is well aware I go through a lot of grants where I have to make sure that I 00:04:55
budget as specifically as possible. Mr. O'Driscoll, the deputy county manager, had me go through this and we really looked at 00:05:02
every last thing that we could cut, where we could cut processing prices on the program that we want to use. 00:05:10
To administer the short term ordinance, cutting some management from the person that would be overseeing the administration, we 00:05:17
feel pretty good we can get this down to $325. I'm also a firm believer that any kind of ordinance or anything that we pass, 00:05:24
especially in this area, needs to account for all the costs that we are going to incur. We didn't want this to cut further into 00:05:30
general fund expenditures, especially for the community development department. 00:05:37
So with that said, we felt pretty comfortable that we could drop the price down to 225 and that we'd be able to maintain what we 00:05:44
need to do to administer this and get it off the ground without cutting into the general fund of Randy's department. 00:05:50
Throughout the document, we removed the word revocation or revoke when it turns anything to do with the permit or anything to do 00:05:59
with the ordinance and we change those to suspension. It was one of the recommendations from the attorney and we agreed it matched 00:06:05
the language that we needed to have. So you'll see it revoked or revoked is removed throughout the document and suspension is in 00:06:11
its place. 00:06:16
Another source of issue was the sentence someone residing in or affixed to the front door. 00:06:23
We were notifying people of any issues or complaints or violations. Some of the people don't always live at the VRBO, so we added 00:06:29
a sentence. It is in the property owner's responsibility to ensure that their information and address on file at the county 00:06:35
assessor's office is up to date and that we would send any violations to the assessment address on file at the assessor's office. 00:06:41
So we would be making sure that we got it to where it needed to go so that the short term rental ordinance owners with no about 00:06:47
the viol. 00:06:53
Another point of contention was the failure to respond to an emergency penalties. The original ordinance that we put through had a 00:07:02
one hour response time. 00:07:07
The attorney and the short term rental ordinances brought up owners brought up that that was probably a little difficult for them 00:07:13
to make. We agreed with them and the board challenge and we think that four hours, I know they talked to Adam Shepherd in the Esso 00:07:19
and we've all felt that four hours would be a good melt. So the wording has changed to four hours for the amount of time that they 00:07:25
have to respond to an emergency situation where the. 00:07:30
Where there was a police or some kind of other emergency. 00:07:38
Another big thing, so probably one of the greatest touching points was the occupancy limits. So. 00:07:44
Part of my job as the health director is to make sure and enforce Title 36601, which is public health nuisances. Three of the. 00:07:51
Of the statutes or the languages that I do in there under 36 six of one or #8 the maintenance of any overflowing septic tank 00:08:02
cesspools and the contents of which #9 the pollution or contamination of any domestic waters and #16 hotels, tourist courts and 00:08:11
any lodging establishment that are not kept in clean sanitary conditions. As we looked at those three, I look at what? 00:08:19
Our wastewater division does for any kind of septic or accessible. 00:08:28
And the rule that they use is 2 per room, which is why we went with an occupancy of two per household. 00:08:33
Refuse. 00:09:13
So when we were looking at that, we did agree with a lot of people on the things the intention of this isn't to do is to be 00:09:15
punitive and we were looking at children 5 and under. When we talked to Jake Garrett and obviously the manager of our wastewater 00:09:21
division, he agreed that those five and under the ways that they produce is negligible compared to those systems. We thought it 00:09:27
would be beneficial to be able to say and we change the language in this. 00:09:33
To add the sentence oxygen limits excluded children five years old and younger. 00:09:39
To make it so that we weren't including your families doing lots of times those children stay in the same room where they bump 00:09:45
together and we were trying to make sure that we accounted for that. So that's why the change is there. 00:09:50
The last change that was discussed was the six of inner background checks. 00:09:57
As a public safety measure, I certainly feel like this is something that we could have in the ordinance. I understand the limiting 00:10:04
factors that make it possibly more complicated. So we did remove the language recommender or enforcing or requiring that to be 00:10:10
part of there, but we did. 00:10:15
But I did feel pretty good that we left that language in there and just we're strongly recommending that those background checks 00:10:50
are still held and. 00:10:54
At rest changes we have so far. 00:10:58
Thank you, Josh. Supervisor Humphrey. 00:11:02
I just like to say, you know, I understand that has an awful lot of time in preparing the first ordinances. And I just want to say 00:11:09
thank you for listening to the public the last time and working with their people to work with some of these changes that they 00:11:16
wanted to make. And so I appreciate all the staff time and energy and research. 00:11:24
In in making some of these changes. So thank you. 00:11:32
Supervisor Klein Josh thinks there's a lot to this. You know, not only from our angle, but also from our people's angle. So to 00:11:36
start with a. 00:11:41
Thanks for lowering that permit for you a little bit. It isn't much, but it's a little bit. It's a good start. So, so that's good. 00:11:50
I want to go back to the response times like when you're notified does e-mail or phone calls, that is included in that as well. 00:11:57
Where you see this one? 00:12:05
Please be aware that that notification, that's from first responders. So it would be up to the sheriff that he's contacted someone 00:12:09
and whether he needs someone on the site or whether he can deal with an e-mail or in person or whatever he needs. But it would be 00:12:16
left up to the first responder of what he needs to be dealt with. 00:12:23
So because of the fact that all their information will be posted right there closer, we'll have all their information and 1st 00:12:31
responders could contact them by by phone or or e-mail or whatever. Yes, that what we're planning on doing is coming up with a 00:12:38
list of all the short term rentals and supplying that to the Sheriff's Office so that they'll right now they don't know if it's 00:12:46
when they show up at a house, whether it's a short term rental or not. So we will. 00:12:53
Be providing them that information so that they would have all that contact information right there if they needed to get a hold 00:13:02
of us. So Andy explain that to me because if you have let's just say first responder medical unit arrive at a house at midnight at 00:13:07
night, we're not going to be around to provide that information. So how are they going to get it? Well, we're going to provide a 00:13:13
head time. Hopefully, you know as we register everyone we will provide that list to the fire departments and the Sheriff's Office 00:13:19
now I do not. 00:13:25
Foresee that if someone. 00:13:31
Has a stroke that they really need to get ahold of the owner of the property that they're going to deal with that person right 00:13:34
then there. Now there's a party, someone pulled a gun. So they probably want to get the owner there and and find out who's 00:13:41
responsible who rented the house, all those kind of things that they would they may need the owner for. I think that's when they 00:13:48
would be called. I don't think it's mostly medical at this time. 00:13:55
OK. 00:14:03
I want to talk about occupancy limits. That's a big one. 00:14:04
Umm, you know, back when we had our last work session after that, I was thinking a lot about that. And to me, basically, I don't 00:14:09
care if somebody maxes out their home and blows out their septic system. We as a county are not going to replace that. That's on 00:14:16
them. But they're stupid enough to do that. That's on them. But I learned a little bit more. 00:14:24
The more I talk to people, the more I ask, there's places and I, I'm going to give you an example, and one of them is Christopher 00:14:33
Creek. 00:14:36
A lot of you may not know much about Christopher Creek, but the houses along Christopher Creek are just one after another. They're 00:14:40
built right on the banks of the Creek. Actually, there's decks that go out over the Creek. A lot of them were on cesspools in the 00:14:45
past. 00:14:50
There's a lot of short term rentals in Christopher Creek, or maybe not a lot, but there's there's saying. 00:14:56
Their biggest issue was, is they worked years trying to get a lot of these old homes up to snuff toward that Creek, would pass 00:15:04
ADEQ standards and EPA regulations. And they've gotten there. They've they've, they were able to do that, you know, and so I'm 00:15:10
talking to some of those folks there and I'm, you know, they're asking me about the short term rental stuff and how's it going 00:15:17
where we're at? And I'm telling them and I'm telling them my thoughts and they're like. 00:15:23
I Occupancy limits to us is important. 00:15:30
Because if we have one or two of these homes blow out that blow out those systems again and contaminate that Creek, we're back at 00:15:34
square one and not in a really good light with ADEQ and EPA. 00:15:40
So there's there's other factors that I'm finding when it comes to occupancy. Now I've got your your paper on on those short term 00:15:48
rentals that offer lots of people in, in those houses. 00:15:56
Quite honestly, and they had to be stacked like cord wood to get them in there. But I want to go to another thing too. Last winter 00:16:04
I spent a lot of time in Gilbert down there working that cutting horse shells and we stayed in short term rentals. That's where we 00:16:11
stayed. There were six of us and we had to find a short term rental that was adequate and would hold six people. 00:16:19
We had to shop for that. There's there's short term rentals that would hold two people, just a little casita on the side. There's 00:16:27
other ones that would hold 3-4 people so it could get to six. We had to look for that five bedroom type place, six bedroom and. 00:16:35
It was kind of amazing, you know, and all the time I'm thinking about this situation we're in as well. 00:16:45
But I go back to that and I look at those places too, and I've had conversations with Bob Turner there a bunch about occupancy 00:16:51
limits. 00:16:56
You get a group of people say 6 people and they have kids, you know, they may be older than five years old, you know, and growing 00:17:01
up as a kid, I know this for a fact. We all get it up and sleeping bag and stuff on the floors. 00:17:07
And so I think there needs to be more in my opinion looked at on occupancy stuff. I'm not saying we should just open it up to, to 00:17:14
whatever number, but I'm saying we're going to need to use our head and some common sense on trying to figure out just what would 00:17:23
be an adequate number in these positions and in these places, you know. And so I wanted to throw that out there. 00:17:32
Sex offenders. 00:17:42
That was in the original one. That background check was only for the person that was was renting the short term rental. That's the 00:17:44
only one that would be run through the process to see if there is sex offender or not. 00:17:51
My personal opinions but I don't know in the short term rental if I did, I don't care. I've grown through the the check anyway. 00:18:00
But that's me. But the people that come with that person that stay in that building, there is no sex offender checks on those 00:18:05
people. 00:18:10
Correct, correct. And so you know what, there again, it gets back to my personal opinion whether you do it, whether you don't, 00:18:16
that's that's not a that to me is, is the owners responsibility. That's where it goes. And and I know that talking to these 00:18:23
communities is really tight knit communities and that's where most of these these establishments are. They have concerns, you know 00:18:29
about that. 00:18:36
But like I've told them as well, I don't foresee. 00:18:43
I, I would never really foresee a somebody that's a sex offender renting these places anyway. Really. I, I would expect somebody 00:18:49
else to be renting it. Now who shows up to stay there for the weekend? I have no idea. Neither does GRBO or, or the rest of them, 00:18:56
you know, So to have that put back on the shoulders of the owners. I agree with that. I agree with that. Decide if they want to do 00:19:03
it and keeping us out of that, it's not our responsibility. It's not. 00:19:10
Liability or any of that, but it would be the owner. So I I agree with that one. And like the permanent fee, like I said, I 00:19:17
already appreciate you lowering that a little bit and see what we can work with now. Now when it comes to the permit fee, Josh. 00:19:25
As we go along, once this thing all gets settled out, whenever that may be and once we get started, we're probably going to go 00:19:33
back and and look at it, the ordinance again in six months, a year, whatever it is to see In which case we would know what this 00:19:40
$225.00 fee is doing. Is it, is it capturing everything or are we good there or are we, are we charging too much and need to lower 00:19:47
it more, something like that, correct, correct. 00:19:54
OK. 00:20:02
There was talk about the fines, the penalties in the first or the last work session we had and I noticed we you didn't touch any 00:20:07
of that. 00:20:12
Like I told Bob Turner the other day, I'm not going to weaken on the penalties. 00:20:19
And I want everybody to understand my reasoning for that. The only reason we are doing this ordinance is to try and correct the 00:20:24
issues we have with the people that are running amok on the short term rentals. That is the only reason. And to me if we if we're 00:20:31
going to back those penalties off, we're not fixing a problem. 00:20:38
You know, I can look at most people here today that's in this audience that has short term rentals, never, ever going to have a 00:20:46
problem. Haven't had they're not going to have, you know, the ones that do, they're not here, they're not going to be here. And so 00:20:54
my idea is that as long as we can leave those fees there to to help push these people into flying, right, That's what I'm about. 00:21:01
And maybe I want, you know, on time when we get there, we can. 00:21:08
Away with this ordinance, but so I appreciate you for not moving those fees. 00:21:16
Because you've refused to work with us, not because you did something wrong. I appreciate that, Josh and Randy, for both of the 00:22:22
idea. And that's where I feel on this, on this deal. Here it. 00:22:27
You know, the bottom line is, is that fair? They've been running a good business and tending to the right. We don't have 00:22:33
neighborhoods complaining we wouldn't be here today. 00:22:38
And so thank you. That's all I had. Mr. OK, Thank you. I do want to thank staff and all of you for looking at everything that we 00:22:43
talked about at the last work session and really taking a deep dive and making modifications as we requested one of them. 00:22:52
Significant ones that supervisor client did mention was. 00:23:04
The requirement for background check, turning more into a guideline for background check and putting the responsibility on the 00:23:08
homeowner saying that if there is a problem, you should have done this background check, but we're not going to tell you. 00:23:16
That you have to do it. 00:23:25
It's highly recommended. OK, so that's one and. 00:23:28
The septic system overload would occur or could be. 00:23:35
Could happen at any level, whether it's a STR, whether it's just a regular family living there, you can overload your septic 00:23:43
system. And so the occupancy thing we want to talk about because I do believe that that is one of the major reasons that we are 00:23:50
establishing the ordinance is an occupancy problem on a few. 00:23:58
And then also, is 2 per bedroom the right number? Is that too small? 00:24:07
So the way the ordinance reads right now three six and says the occupancy is limited to two persons per legal bedroom and then you 00:24:14
and then you go into the children under five, five years old or younger and. 00:24:22
I talked to Michael about this this morning and I and I said, could that be more or less a guideline rather than a hard number, a 00:24:31
guideline. We recommend this in the same way we're doing with several of the other things. 00:24:37
Because it's a home or a septic or anything can handle six people in a 2 bedroom. They have a hide a bed in the living room or 00:24:47
something like that. Could we issue it as a guideline and Michael said, well, we can take the whole thing out of there if you 00:24:53
want. And I don't think that's the remedy to do that. So. 00:24:59
I spoke with Randy yesterday about this and the thing that people need to understand is that the county official or the county 00:25:07
employees are not going to be standing at the front door of the short term rentals. 00:25:13
Counting people, making sure things happen, it's all going to be on a complete a complaint basis. And so if the neighbors say hey, 00:25:20
they're a hooter and they're hollering, they're they're making a bunch of problems. You can do that with four people or you can do 00:25:25
that with 14 people so. 00:25:31
The noise or the problem? 00:25:37
To me can be any amount of the safety of the occupants is important, so I know why we need to recommend a certain amount so. 00:25:42
I don't know if we can do this as a recommendation or a guideline, but if we do, that allows some more flexibility with the folks 00:25:52
that have an STR that have like a really large bedroom that they can put a couple boats in there and then maybe four people could 00:25:58
let be in that, you know, so there's so many different variables. And we have said from the very beginning, we don't want to hurt 00:26:04
this industry. That's not our point. We don't want to. 00:26:10
Hurt it at all. It brings a great economy to heal a county. 00:26:17
Now some of the advertisements that are in my packet here show 3 bedrooms, 12 people. 00:26:21
4 bedrooms, 16 people, you know, and that's how they're advertising that. And there's one here that's 22 people or something. 00:26:29
Seems like a lot. That's where the cord wood thing comes in. 00:26:39
So I think that if a violation occurs, or let's say a problem occurs, then we can go back and say why was there 22 people in this 00:26:44
home? 00:26:49
And I also want to bring up two small things here. When we say someone overloads a cesspool or something, some of those houses 00:26:55
cannot be having a regular septic system put back in there. And that's why we have some houses abandoned because their lots aren't 00:27:02
big enough to fix it. So if you. 00:27:08
Screw up a septic system, it's not just a matter of Oh well, we have some surfacing stuff that helped us to deal with it's that 00:27:16
house can't be used anymore. And then also with the offset load. I would also say that this is built on safety. I mean, if you're 00:27:24
in a bedroom that's one thing that's that the windows are a certain size to get a fireman in with the air pack on. It's not for us 00:27:31
to get out, it's for them to get in and. 00:27:38
Us out so when you start putting them in closets and you start putting them in rooms that are not legal bedrooms, that becomes a 00:27:46
safety issue not only for the outfit and they may not even know it. I mean there's a bed here, there's a light there and it got a 00:27:52
nice picture on it just looks like a nice bedroom. 00:27:58
There's no way for them to get out and so this also becomes a safety issue. 00:28:06
When we get there now. 00:28:12
How many? There is a table in the building code that says and that and don't quote me on the number, but it's like 200 square foot 00:28:14
of a bedroom equals a person. You know they do the same thing for a hospital and all that stuff. I. 00:28:22
But most bedrooms aren't 400 square feet, you know, So, but we figure 2 for bed, I think. But I've also went on inspections where 00:28:31
there's eight, I'm sorry, there's four bunk bed sets. So there's eight in like a 10 by 12 room. And if there's a fire there. 00:28:41
It's pretty hairy trying to just see people walk out the front door. That doesn't happen a lot. People panic, especially if it's 00:28:51
at 2:00 in the morning. That becomes a safety issue. So that's we looked at that stuff. 00:28:58
And then also the 225, you know, I appreciate the reduction, but that's kind of the minimum I think that we feel that we can 00:29:06
operate at right now to get started so. 00:29:11
That's per listing. 00:29:18
And say Verbo or Airbnb right per listing, correct? 00:29:21
So let's say someone has a large home and they rent out bedrooms in that same home. 00:29:26
To different people like say there's three bedrooms, there's three different listings, they would be charged three listings for 00:29:35
the one structure, correct? We looked at that also is because if they were, if it's a bad one and they were to get suspended. But 00:29:43
now if you went for address that whole thing all they lose all three. 00:29:50
Rooms are all three. 00:29:59
Resonances that they have on the site because they went under one and there's no way really for us to track that. When we go by 00:30:02
listings, we can track this, you know, let's just say there's a shed down the street that they're trying to use and that's caused 00:30:09
a lot of problems. Then we can we can deal with just that one and allow the property to keep. 00:30:16
Other and honestly from my opinion too, when you're trying to calculate a budget for this, each listing, since the whole point of 00:30:24
the fee is the administration of the short term rental ordinance and each listing adds administrative time. So it doesn't matter 00:30:30
if there's, you know, seven and one or how you do it. If it's seven listings that increases the administrative burden and we're 00:30:37
basing the entire fee off of the administrative burden on enforcement. 00:30:43
OK, in a second, just to follow up then if a person then said I don't want to run my building as an STR, I'd rather do it as a 00:30:50
B&B, okay. Does that fall under different ordinances? They have to live on the property, okay, and and that doesn't fall into this 00:30:58
ordinance. 00:31:05
State ordinance goes along with OK, so zoning and so that's an option. Yeah. OK. Supervisor Klein. Thank you, chair. So the 00:31:14
scenario that you gave Randy, the other twist of that would be it would be a benefit. And for us, if you've got one owner that 00:31:21
owns 2 short term rentals that are that he that are combined or whatever, he's only paying the one fee and he has an issue and 00:31:29
there's a chance of shutting down both those rentals because of that. 00:31:36
We only have one permit. He or she may be more willing to fall in line and runner run the right, right business, you know what I'm 00:31:44
saying? And so I know in Pleasant Valley there we have an owner. So that has more than one short term rental on the property on 00:31:52
the same property, not that they own three or four different. 00:32:00
Parcels around young, but they have a parcel of land that has two rentals on it that's just used for example. 00:32:09
And that to me was something that I felt at the time this was discussed in our last work session, was that okay? Then then they 00:32:16
pay the two 250 back then or whatever it was and it'd be under the same one, same, same everything. So if they had a problem and 00:32:24
one of those rentals and it led to the extent where they were shut down, both of those rentals would be shut down. I don't have a 00:32:31
problem with that. And I'm going to tell you why is because that. 00:32:38
To me makes you really stand up and say hey I'm gonna fly right. I don't want my room shut down. I'm going to do the right thing 00:32:46
I'm going to run the right business. I'm not saying people and young are going to do that so you guys are young. Don't get me 00:32:54
wrong. So but what I but see what I'm saying our whole goal is to make this handful of people fly right that aren't today and so 00:33:01
and to me, if you have somebody in that scenario where they do have both of their. 00:33:08
On the same parcel of property, yeah, pay the one fee. It's all under the same thing. Let's go on. I I think that's reasonable in 00:33:16
my opinion. And so the I want to go back to the occupancy deal too. The one thing that we didn't talk about and, and this is the 00:33:23
reason, a lot of the reason the occupancy number was brought up is the parking. 00:33:31
In so many areas, in so many neighborhoods, the streets aren't very wide. The driveways aren't very wide. They're not very long, 00:33:39
so there's not a lot of parking. And so people are parking in the street, bugging up the driveways, which is fine, but plugging up 00:33:46
the streets is not fine when you can't get the Sheriff's Office or fire department down these roads. And that would have a lot to 00:33:54
do with the occupancy, especially when you're looking at, let's just say, 15 people in one house. 00:34:01
You know that there's going to be a few cars parked out there. 00:34:08
And in these neighborhoods that I've seen, there's not enough room to park those cars. So they do park on the street. And I will 00:34:12
tell you that in Gilbert, when I was down there, the, the six of us, we had three vehicles, 4 vehicles. They had to be parked in 00:34:20
the driveway. Now, the residents didn't, they parked out on the street and on front of their house and things like that. But. 00:34:28
The short term rentals that we stayed in, you parked in the driveway or in the garage, whichever it may be. 00:34:37
But you did not park on the streets and part by parking on those streets. We've had those complaints from other neighbors already, 00:34:44
but where they couldn't get out, when they're trying to come home after work on a Friday afternoon, they can't get to home because 00:34:48
the streets are plugged in. 00:34:53
And so I remember that discussion quite well when we talked about occupancy, that was part of that discussion. 00:34:59
OK, bye. 00:35:09
Yes. 00:35:10
Supervisor Humphrey, do you have anything at this juncture? 00:35:12
It's all been gone through, but I mean, you know, we, we can go over this a million times, but and, and I think that's great that 00:35:17
they made you park in the driveway. So is that something we're going to put in the ordinance that they got to park in the driveway 00:35:23
and can't park in the seat? You know, I mean, they do in Gilbert, AZ Yeah, right. And so I mean, we're, we're, we're, we're 00:35:29
getting complaints of being too stringent already, but I think that's why it goes to the occupancy level. 00:35:36
Is because if you have a lot of people, you're going to have a lot of cars. So if we do have an occupancy level, it'll cut down on 00:35:43
the cars. 00:35:47
That will accumulate in these rentals and so. 00:35:52
And as far as the, the, you know, I mean, if somebody has five rentals, that's still 5 inspections, you know, that's still 5 that 00:35:58
you have to categorize and, and take care of. So, you know, that's just kind of where I'm at on those. So I'm good, Mr. Chair. OK, 00:36:04
thank you. 00:36:10
Do you have anyone to present at this moment? 00:36:18
OK. So what I'd like to do then is we have someone that wish to speak from the public on this matter, if it's all right. I'll 00:36:21
start in Payson. We have Gene. 00:36:28
Zaring. 00:36:34
During. 00:36:36
If you would please come to the microphone. 00:36:39
Good morning. 00:36:48
Good morning. 00:36:52
Can you hear me? Hello. Yeah, just speak up. 00:36:57
I can speak now, but I don't need nothing. 00:37:03
Just working. Yes. OK. Thank you. 00:37:07
President of King County and my concern is that. 00:37:18
We have a 40 acre community with 6000, so about 2 1/2. 00:37:26
Briefly in 2008 my cabinet was built and I understood what it was like to live in the mountains up here and have been doing all of 00:37:39
that. Several years later more homes would be built and there's only one home out of these six that is short term left. 00:37:48
So I'm just gonna speak directly from my perspective of inner property owner or anything like peace and quiet, my employment, 00:37:59
Skype talk about. 00:38:04
And that's one concern I have this time they're having six vehicles at a time that comes, you got 12 adults and then I get a head 00:38:12
count of 2025 hits that come out. Now this house obviously is not big enough or how is that many people with legal beds brought up 00:38:22
these beds. So what I saw that they would bring in their. 00:38:31
Obviously they're sleeping on the floor. 00:38:42
But with that kind of people for a weekend, but that's not disturbed my piece because now you have all those people that are 00:38:46
making noise throughout the night. They bring great TV's in and because it's again, small areas of Lakers are driving up and down 00:38:54
East Road making a lot of money. 00:39:03
They also practical pets dogs. 00:39:13
You know that's working for Dodge these ones and when they have 3-4 dollars and then come to the families and it's not her and I'm 00:39:16
unfamiliar location. They're still protecting their family, their loved ones. So then a homeowner is traveling to a problem 00:39:25
easement throughout these Dodge department produce never going to attack. But what I have to do was I had to construct. 00:39:34
On the wall, or I should say a fence all the way around my Sheepbridge profits because. 00:39:44
Come up with kids or not, don't supervise. 00:39:51
They come up from the valley, they come up there and all they want to do is explore, run around. I'm I'm OK with this, but I'm not 00:39:56
OK is that they do not respect private property in my life. The Dodge movement wherever they want to run because they're not on 00:40:04
the leash. They do not have adult supervision watching these dogs. So with the combination of all of those lack of library and. 00:40:11
The short term will be don't care. 00:40:21
You know. 00:40:26
There and it's obvious that's been going on since 2010. So today I'm here to talk about the issues that need to be addressed in 00:40:29
the ordinance. You have barking dogs, you have loose dogs, you have people that don't pay the property lines. Everybody knows what 00:40:38
your property line is and if the short term rental allows people. 00:40:47
To just do whatever they want to make them up. 00:40:57
There's no regard for other people's rights on the property rights. So one of the things I'm wondering, I guess just go to set 00:41:00
sound off with this. I don't know the weekend and I would like that they have importance for noise pollution and at 9:00 at night, 00:41:08
you cannot be out on the deck of your short term money and make noise. 00:41:16
Heather disturbing the peace of others. I haven't heard anything about the place curfew and I believe that the workers have to 00:41:25
address the parties have any noise beyond. 00:41:31
Be probably a reasonable level. 00:41:39
Weeks ago we were up at the cabinet with other friends and 9:00 at night. The short term rental was the same on their project. 00:41:43
Labor White House over here and we have closed our slightly lecture. We could hear people singing after 9:00 PM. 00:41:55
At the noise level, we shouldn't have to put up with that. I went outside where I made sure it was that house that would have a 00:42:05
national force behind me. I had no neighbors to the east of me. I have no neighbors to build the South. Actually, you have a house 00:42:13
right next to me on the West side, and that's where it goes. 00:42:20
The other part is that the end of May was on the phone in and Freddie because earlier in January of 2024, I was on the public 00:42:31
supervisor client and we were talking about the short term agreement and provide a client support team that they probably would go 00:42:41
into effect in May of 2024. However, when it did not that's when I called. 00:42:50
Right, because that's my. 00:43:01
2530 people came up to this level when I was on the phone. Chairman, my apologies for interrupting. I have a Sir, My apologies for 00:43:05
interrupting me. Hang on, Chairman, are we limiting the public comments to 3 minutes? 00:43:13
I was not planning on doing that, but I will recommend that we shorten. 00:43:22
Shorten it during the call to the public. We normally do 3 minutes. 00:43:29
And we have a lot of people that want to speak this morning. So I would I would like to encourage everyone to keep the comments 00:43:35
very specific and pointed and short if possible. 00:43:42
What community did you say you lived in? 00:43:51
I'm sorry, This town system, Yeah. 00:43:56
And I don't know. 00:44:01
Is there a way you can wrap it up? 00:44:05
So I suppose. 00:44:14
He was supervisor will somehow create an ordinance instead. 00:44:18
People have to sign or notify all the fans that are in the short term around if they would say in the list of requirements that 00:44:24
weathers cannot let go to one is important if the westerners. 00:44:34
Hear that it is against you having ordinance that have orphans on it if. 00:44:44
What's the prices in the list of what the prices have to do is that they can actually not within 1/4 miles of getting all occupied 00:44:53
or not? 00:44:58
They don't realize where they don't come up. 00:45:05
The noise of me somewhere along the way, there has to be freedom for granted to come up and enjoy the peace of life. However, they 00:45:09
can't do that. Toothpaste has to refer or either has to be a noise ordinance. And then the second thing is there has to be a 00:45:16
curse. You know when stops and it does not. 00:45:24
Interfere with my sleep cycle or just the fact that I want to have my friend? 00:45:33
In my own and I don't have to hear the noise, TV's people laughing, OK? 00:45:37
The other thing is. 00:45:51
This. 00:46:00
Excuse me, Sir, Excuse me. 00:46:01
Excuse me? 00:46:04
I think you've made your point and so. 00:46:08
Supervisors can jump in at any time if they want to make a comment, but I'm going to have to keep the meeting moving. I appreciate 00:46:12
your comments. 00:46:16
We have the Menards and Mrs. Mr. and Mrs. Menards from the patient area. 00:46:21
Please try and be brief and concise. 00:46:35
Bad actors. 00:46:43
Residential ambulance so she never happened because Aluma is happening now we have to build them so we do I'd like to see 00:46:51
something and really all these regulated controls are not being changed that we want when this gentleman starting to talk to you 00:46:59
for example, engineers, but. 00:47:06
Anybody argue about solution for problem if these houses were ID numbers? 00:47:15
And so with that, we can report to a website you can have some county would have a graduate of when it happened, what's going on 00:47:26
and they have a beach BBQ. We also know who's also what I'd like to see is a lot of services, the property managers on tech 24/7 00:47:35
app property and we can be able to either call them. 00:47:44
Send text message or reach them 3:00 and they will deal with those problems. 00:47:53
So we're not dealing with and then we take the load. 00:47:59
We don't need these guys. 00:48:03
Serious things going on, but if the property managers would police their property, property, and I'll tell you this, there are 00:48:09
some good ones out there are some good ones of managing spaces. The other thing goes back Oculus. 00:48:16
It's common sense drama. When we build the house you guys require, we have to look at all these things. What's the legal benefit? 00:48:23
How many people can be come on, 1520 Thirty people and I understand 11 issue, but when we have trash, when there's a fire, 00:48:31
something goes on. 15 people are trying to scramble off the kids. We got our first responders coming in. 00:48:40
Bad things happen, it's not good and we may have a local point. I don't want to land on the homeowners you're going to be seeing 00:48:49
no matter what. 00:48:53
Because you're responsible. So we need to look at what's what's nonsense. If you got a if you got a three bedroom hall, you know, 00:48:57
generally two people each bedroom. All right, So big bedroom, 81 model. We've got like a pilot. 00:49:04
And you got lining up for me, people. 00:49:13
The other players down from us, another individual down there about just a few weeks ago, how did they come in and stopping $20 00:49:17
off we can have like 2 acre and one acre parcel. They have done some of those they were set up and this is and this one here that 00:49:26
actually for ancient number one, we we see this over and over we need to control. 00:49:34
That occupancy, that solution on the 12th, OK. 00:49:43
And how many doesn't have time? We got the resources that, you know, you can have those enforcers. You can't do that either. So 00:50:04
who's going to be able to do this real time and control the problem? 00:50:10
Contact them and they have what you guys do. You get a good contract in place. You tell them, I call you once you fly it down 00:50:16
right now twice you're on. OK, I I think we got the message. Thank you. I think, I think we got the message, missus. 00:50:25
Mentors, are you going to add to that? 00:50:35
But first of all, I want to thank all of you for all working to getting an ordinance together. I would really like to be able to 00:50:43
see it be enforced. Randy and Kim have been awesome. They tell us both sides of the story. Supervisor Klein tells all kinds of 00:50:51
stories we understand. 00:50:58
But at the same time. 00:51:07
It kind of sort of feels that time. 00:51:08
These are homeowners are the ones who are being discriminated against because we have to follow all of the ordinances. 00:51:11
But when the short term rentals, you give them an inch, they take a mile. 00:51:20
And that's what we can be time and time again now we fail to occupancy, but now we're going to say we have permanent full time 00:51:24
residents who are in the county taxpayers. 00:51:30
Now our quiet, our colleges is disrupted and because we're going to let the corporations and investment lists that turn private 00:51:38
remedies into money making places change our entire environment. And so this is an issue and it's the occupancy many times. 00:51:48
We have no water at our home because we have all of these houses filled with people that are using our resources. Our landfills 00:51:58
are filling up. Our Durado Rd. It gets graded once in a while and then all of the ranges come up to Title 5. 00:52:07
OK, So there's a lot of issues. I really appreciate your effort in getting it done and I really hope you will consider the 00:52:18
homeowners and not just giving the business people that are coming into our neighborhood all the advantages think of us. Thank you 00:52:26
so much. I really appreciate your help. Thank you for those comments. Frank Church. Frank Church. 00:52:34
Please be brief. 00:52:46
I won't take a lot of time. I just want to be able to reach sort of points. Every people buy them #1. 00:52:49
We made a long term. 00:52:59
Well, we can make a call back. 00:53:05
Real time. 00:53:07
There's 3 burnouts. 00:53:10
And there's local numbers. 00:53:13
I am sure. 00:53:17
They do their visions. 00:53:28
I understand. A couple weeks ago, first time I figured it out. Thank you are returning to the owners of Cerebral. 00:53:40
Patients. 00:53:49
Dirt bikes, they are the most important phase. 00:53:57
Advance breaking dust, making noise and he come and again that's better occupation complicated. One young man he said I'm the 00:54:04
national board like people have unlocked it. So that's the attitude of people and that's why this situation. 00:54:14
Basically the abduction. 00:54:24
Thank you. 00:54:26
Here we don't have anybody on the Internet, do we? Thank God. 00:54:29
Adam Adam Ball. 00:54:36
I feel like brevity will help me out today, so I'll try my best to be great. 00:54:43
First of all. 00:54:48
I work with cities all across the Valley. I'm only here on behalf of myself, but I've collaborated with a lot of jurisdictions 00:54:51
since they've adopted ordinances. I'm very grateful for the consideration they've put into this effort. 00:54:56
The change in the four hours response time is very appreciative. I'm thankful for that. 00:55:29
It's an hour and a half for me to come up and then I want to respond. I will respond for hours. Gives me the grace to respond 00:55:34
properly. 00:55:37
A couple of things that stand out to me I think would be helpful to understand and appreciate UMM. 00:55:42
Number one. 00:55:47
I agree with you, supposed to client about the penalty. The penalties is. 00:55:49
It's a stick that makes you comply. 00:55:55
But I think there should be a warning before you just jump to the $500 and I think that's what was missing from this. Don't 00:55:57
disagree with the first pounding feet, the second and third. I think a a generous or a courtesy of a wine the first time would 00:56:04
probably be the first step. Sometimes we need to understand better before we fully can appreciate the necessity of it. 00:56:11
That's so Adam, hang on a minute. So you referred to that when you were at the podium, Josh, you know, we don't just run in there 00:56:19
the first thing with a big stick and and slap penalties on people or anything like that. Matter of fact, I think remember you 00:56:26
Randy, who was I talking to you? But there is kind of a grace period in this anyway, correct? 00:56:33
No, there's not. 00:56:42
I guess the first thing is staff does not issue these fines. 00:56:47
These are going to a hearing officer or the courts. So you've been told before you show up a court while you're going there and 00:56:52
what has happened? So this is not Randy decided Adam needed $1000 fine. This is Randy has talked to them told them hey you got an 00:56:59
issue. They ignored us. We send them to hearing officer and hearing officer issues. But OK, so right there. But what do you mean 00:57:07
by ignored you like if you told them we have an issue with. 00:57:14
Problem and and then they just fail to respond to us. Didn't we have people? 00:57:22
We have people do it all the time that they just ignore us and don't want to correct it, don't think it needs to be corrected. And 00:57:30
so at some point we we issue an MLB or however this will go forward and don't go to a hearing officer and they'll explain to the 00:57:38
hearing officer why they don't think it needs to be corrected or or OK so like that's point. Is there some way, because I believe 00:57:45
everybody needs a chance to correct whatever it is they. 00:57:52
Wrong some people may just stuck their toe and do it not even knowingly knowing that they did it so you know that's where I'm 00:58:00
coming from I I think that that folks whether it's 30 days, 60 days, whatever it is within raising has a chance to correct that 00:58:08
that's something that I would like to see after that no send them to the hearing officer but. 00:58:16
Is there a way of adding something like that in this ordinance that would would. 00:58:54
Give us a chance to calm some fears. Let's just say. Jessica. Yes, Chairman. 00:58:59
We can still modify the ordinance today is just a work session. There will be an action item to adopt the modifications, but we 00:59:08
we're still in the drafting or I should say revising the phase. So yes, we could add that in there if the. 00:59:15
Board would like staff to work on that. Thanks guys. Thanks, Adam. The only thing I know is just a language in the ordinance, so. 00:59:25
It's comforting me to hear that there's I think a willingness to work here, but that's just not what the language says. So in 3.8 00:59:33
when it, when you issue a violation of of a $500, that's a good spot to insert an opportunity to maybe upon notice security effect 00:59:40
before you jump, right. So if that's the understanding, let's just write into the narrative. Speed limit 65 miles an hour. The 00:59:48
officer doesn't stop you and say this is your first warning and get three more warnings before you get a ticket. 00:59:55
If you're doing 65 miles an hour, you get a ticket. 01:00:04
Well, I guess if the staff makes the comment, I think it's better to have the comment written into the record so it's not. 01:00:08
But the state of Arizona doesn't offer that in their records over a citation from a DPS officer. You have to have rules and you 01:00:16
you have to have limits. And people have to understand those limits. And if they work with it and understand, cool. I mean, he was 01:00:24
on the way to the hospital. The officer let him off. That's between the officer and what he turns in as far as the ticket goes. 01:00:31
Same as this, if you're in violation, it's up to the hearing officer. 01:00:40
Not me, not supervisors, I'm not Supervisor Christianson of the penalty of the violation. That's up to a subcontracted hearing 01:00:45
officer that is subcontracted to Healer County or hearing violations within Hilo County. I know, I know this is great. It's just 01:00:52
different for your staff, just said. 01:00:58
So if your staff is going to say that, why don't we have the ordinance? Reflect what? 01:01:05
I I don't care to argue anymore, Mr. Chair, Thank you. So I guess as I move forward to this many points. 01:01:08
I've owned my property has been vacational for five years. I just pumped my subject for the very first time. 01:01:16
Which is a normal actually rhythm of pumping and cleaning your septic. And I'm one of those properties that has many guests, but 01:01:22
on the weekend, not during the week. And so when I think through like the necessity of of solid waste, I can still be a place that 01:01:28
is an example of could operator with many people and still only pumping at the same rhythm of paces a full time resident. There's 01:01:34
a part in the ordinance and I think needs to be addressed a little bit further and it's the violation exists when there's a 01:01:40
emergency. 01:01:46
Call for emergency response. 01:01:53
Here are some scenarios that I don't think should result in a violation, but could result in emergency response. It was referred 01:01:55
to an example of a stroke. 01:01:59
I walked out. In my case, my nephew was at our property and proxy was a whip in the front yard and my neighbor decided to pull on 01:02:03
a rifle and a flak jacket. 01:02:10
These are not, for example, one of the things that. 01:02:48
That concerns me is. 01:02:51
The. 01:02:55
The. 01:02:59
Let me see this. 01:03:01
The response in person, I thought I heard Mr. Plummer say that they respond. Officer could maybe call that person, tell me you 01:03:03
don't need to come. I would love that personally, but that's not what your code says. Code says you have to respond in person, so. 01:03:09
I would love to remove the arbitrariness so I know precisely how I'm going to follow the rules. 01:03:18
So not everybody, what you see on the ad is exactly what you think it is and my property is validly permitted with that it has. So 01:03:55
I just I would encourage if it's possible that on the next round whatever direction you provide a staff. 01:04:03
Maybe add one more suggestion that they work with Bob and I on the next version of draft because I think by time it comes next 01:04:12
year, I hope it's a consent item agenda because everyone's kind of found some harmony here. And I think I can collectively help 01:04:17
move this better in the spot and more point understand the positions they're coming from to help communicate that the rest of our 01:04:23
to chill out a little bit. 01:04:28
So thank you for your time. I'm only speaking on behalf of myself, but I know there's a lot of folks who look to me and I just 01:04:35
want to be able to be a helpful communicator across both sides of the aisle. 01:04:39
Thank you. 01:04:44
Thank you, Adam. 01:04:45
Josh. 01:04:48
So I wanted to address something supervisor client said earlier. I think it will help the board members as we listen to the rest 01:04:51
of the comments. And that's, you know, one of the things that we saw in the way the state attorney general ruled this is and this 01:04:57
is for those opposed in against is that, you know, if we make rules in the ordinance, they have to be grounded in some kind of 01:05:02
public health and public safety theory. That is the things that allow us. So you know, as much as some of these things like they 01:05:08
had mentioned. 01:05:14
We've got some complaints about lighting and too much light pollution. 01:05:20
Barking dogs and dogs aloof, which are already part of the animal control ordinances, issues with parking, which aren't a public 01:05:23
health thing. I can't, you know, And then I was thinking, just so the board's aware, you know, part of the reason I went where I 01:05:28
would with occupancy is because if I'm going to use any kind of public health authority to have any kind of occupancy limit, then 01:05:33
they have to have something that's grounded in some sort of evidence base, which is what we get from ADQ when we look at how we 01:05:39
evaluate. 01:05:44
Rooms for bedroom and occupancy for accessible or wastewater system for those occupancy limits. So my concern and and something 01:05:50
I'd like for the board to think about is to hear the rest of the comments is, is that. 01:05:55
I think it'd be difficult for me to say no. I can recommend for the same reason as the client. This is becoming the health officer 01:06:00
and we had the Houston Mesa Creek spill up there. We, we've seen that I'm working on the Arizona whiffle wastewater thing to look 01:06:06
at the cesspool replacements and there's over 7500 cesspools in the county. You know, so as a, as a health officer, regardless of 01:06:11
my feelings or anything, you know, I know that when we had the presentation where, you know, 75% of our water in the county is 01:06:17
groundwater that comes from. 01:06:22
Surface waters. 01:06:28
Think about whether you want to hold that authority for the evidence that I have or whether we just remove that because adding any 01:07:00
different occupancy. I don't know how I would get there with what I have available and declare that there be an evidence based 01:07:07
number that I would give if I said it was three or four or anything else, if that makes sense. I just want to throw that out there 01:07:15
as we're going towards redirecting that that that two number I can use because ADQ allows that and it gives me that so. 01:07:22
And say that's why I make it too. Outside of that, anything above that, I don't think through my statutes or anything that I would 01:07:30
have any evidence to say 3456. I think that then we would be looking at let's remove that occupancy limit and not put that in 01:07:37
there. That makes sense. So what you're saying, Josh, that would go against the attorney General's. 01:07:43
I will thank you response. 01:07:51
I guess, my master, we can't just come up with an arbitrary number, Jessica. 01:07:55
Chairman, just to clarify, the Attorney General's response is just a response. It's not a binding decision as if it were a court 01:08:00
decision. It's basically the Attorney General's office looking at everything. 01:08:07
Saying in our opinion, this is what we feel the law is and it hasn't reached the courts yet. So I just wanted to clarify that 01:08:15
point. As far as the limit, I believe what Josh is saying is that he could not give a recommendation to have the occupancy. 01:08:23
Be beyond the number 2, is that correct? 2, two people per bedroom. So I believe what he's saying is he's not comfortable making 01:08:33
that recommendation to the board because it's not within the research that he's done to say, yeah, OK, you can have three people 01:08:39
in each bedroom. He's saying it goes against his research to have more people in there. So what his recommendation is, let's go 01:08:46
ahead and just strike it all together. 01:08:53
Because we're not in the position to say we're going to allow you to have three people per room. 01:09:00
Wow, Josh. 01:09:09
And she dig in and another bag of chips and see what you got. 01:09:11
I think it very seriously that, you know, that they give public health this ability to do that, and I don't have. 01:09:15
I would be making up numbers for the board. 01:09:22
To do that. 01:09:25
You stay there a minute, you know, you know, but say, say if we struck the occupancy number, okay, like I said to begin with that 01:09:29
that was finally, but there's other issues associated with those numbers, whether it's parking, whether it's water quality in 01:09:36
these areas that are on these creeks. 01:09:43
Whether it's traffic, you know, there's, there's these other factors alone with that as well. 01:09:52
It's not just a matter of overloading the septic system or whatever. 01:09:57
And so I think that's that's the hang up with me, Jessica, you know, like Adam said, if he puts 16 people in a four bedroom house, 01:10:02
that's his house. But. 01:10:08
If he was doing that and plugging up the streets and tearing up the neighborhood roads and everything else, that's not cool. But 01:10:14
that does in in a, in a, in a big sense goes back to those property owners. 01:10:21
It goes back to Adam to where the neighbors should be knocking on his door and saying enough dude. 01:10:29
You know, the problem is we don't, we have work, we have people that don't expect that as well either. You know, Adam May, he can 01:10:35
put his thumb on it and restrict it and tighten it up, but there's other people that may just blow you off. We end up in a fight 01:10:42
in the yard. So, you know, that's that's the issue we have when it comes to numbers, occupancy. 01:10:50
It's my two cents worth. 01:10:58
Hey, Mark. Thank you. 01:11:01
Robert Turner. 01:11:03
Hello. Hi, I'd like to also thank the board for giving us this opportunity again to go over this and for the work that you guys 01:11:10
have done and and change some of the things that we thought would be good changes. I want to touch and I'm not picking on somebody 01:11:16
because they sound like they're against stores, but I think it's I don't know if they've read this ordinance and there's things in 01:11:23
this ordinance that we've all agreed on that we go and we tell our neighbor, hey, we're going to have STR this is our. 01:11:30
Information and they're going to be provided with that and though they will be able to contact the owners and I think that's a 01:11:37
very important thing. 01:11:40
One of the questions I had and hasn't been covered yet, Have we ever determined how many stores there are in unincorporated 01:11:45
Gigantic? 01:11:49
Officially, no. We've contacted third party vendors and they've given us rough numbers, but they kind of vary all over the place. 01:11:56
So we're basing it on the lower number. When we came up to the dollar amount, we're basing it on the lower number. 01:12:05
What's happening? 01:12:15
Have that on me. I think it's 800, but I don't quote me on anything about that I'm. 01:12:17
Obviously, the reason I asked that is because we had talked about the 1st work session about determining that to determine what 01:12:25
the, the, the fee would be for the application. I think that I agree with the occupancy, occupancy issue. I think that, that that 01:12:33
is a big topic here. And I, I know there's concerns about parking and everything like that, but we still. 01:12:41
We have to remember with occupancy and a lot of these rules and everything, we still have to apply it equally to a private 01:12:50
residence, a long term rental and everything else. 01:12:54
I know the AG's office says that you can't have this ordinance for health and safety, but those health and safety laws still occur 01:12:59
to those other type of properties, so it still has to be treated fairly across the board. 01:13:05
One of those things I wanted to ask or talk to you about was the the application and what's required in that. And I'm assuming the 01:13:13
county is eventually going to send out an application to standardize things to fill out and everything. I would also think it 01:13:19
would be a good idea because the ordinance once says the post. 01:13:25
The rules and everything or the? 01:13:31
The basis of the ordinance on each door and everything, and I think that should be provided to every owner included in the $225 01:13:34
and then that way we can make photocopies, laminate and put it up. 01:13:39
As far as, and I'm not picking on the STR, the people that don't like this stuff. Also I wanted to talk about the dogs and the 01:13:46
noise and etcetera. I still have not been able to find any type of helicopter noise ordinance or party ordinance or anything like 01:13:52
that. 01:13:58
Been a lot talked about. 01:15:04
The I agreed with Adam as far as the the emergency response that that. 01:15:06
You know, it's a discretion of law enforcement. If they need to get ahold of you, the fire department, they need to get ahold of 01:15:14
owner. You know that 4 hour thing there? 01:15:18
Let me just check a couple notes, make sure I got everything. 01:15:23
I was, I was happy and I appreciate the the sex offender, you know, putting that on the back of the owner if they wanted to do 01:15:37
that or not. 01:15:41
And then one of the, one of the comments Supervisor Humphrey made, I just want to, I, there was a lot of rumbling when you said 01:15:49
inspection. And I think he would, you were referring to the actual application process, you know, getting the permit. It wasn't 01:15:55
that they were, you were saying they're going to go out and do an inspection. And a lot of people I think is kind of misunderstood 01:16:01
what he was talking about. 01:16:07
I think that's it. 01:16:17
I think that's it for now. If I have anything else I'll raise my hand. 01:16:25
Thank you, Mr. Turner. Kelly Parks. 01:16:28
All right. So, Chairman, thank you so much. Board of Supervisors, appreciate your time. First of all, I just want to say thank you 01:16:41
for reconsidering the ordinance and the work sessions that you've had. So that shows that you are actually trying to listen to the 01:16:47
people and I really, really appreciate that also today just seeing that. 01:16:54
You're listening and considering different options of changes that are even still. 01:17:01
On the on books to try to vote on that. So I appreciate that. 01:17:07
What was a little disappointing just now was just finding out that. 01:17:12
Gathering the data for the Airbnbs like how many there are. 01:17:17
Inhale accounting, I think is such important information for Haile County to know before you're going to vote on an ordinance. 01:17:22
It's important like, how many are there? There's a phone call. Just make a phone call to the corporation, Airbnb. 01:17:29
But I wanted to share some information because. 01:17:37
Because I didn't want to cover what everyone else was going to cover today. 01:17:41
And this is something that I wanted to be on the public record. 01:17:44
Because. 01:17:50
Arab and this is data from Airbnb. OK, They say that 90% of Airbnb owners have one home. 01:17:52
OK, that they're, so there's, there's a narrative that's out there that says, you know, the corporations and the investors are 01:18:03
coming and buying up homes in Hilah County and they're taking up all this housing. 01:18:11
So what's actually happening from Airbnb? This is their they would know. This is their business. Less than 1% of housing stock in 01:18:20
Healing County is Airbnb less than 1%. 01:18:27
So the Airbnb people owners are not causing housing crisis in Hayward County. That is not happening based on the numbers. 01:18:34
And this narrative is being repeated over and over and over again. And so I'm here to correct the record. This is from Airbnb. You 01:18:46
can call them yourself. 01:18:51
I would say Biden on it is causing the housing crisis, all right. That is a problem which you can't solve, but you know, it is 01:19:00
what it is. 01:19:05
You guys are spending a lot of money on Discover Hue accounting, which is awesome. We appreciate it because you're bringing 01:19:13
tourism to the county, you're bringing economy, you're building the economy, bringing jobs, so all these things are great. 01:19:20
But and then as as short term rental owners, we feel like we're being punished, you know, we're, we're lodging the tourism, yet 01:19:29
we're being punished in some ways. So This is why I do appreciate all the considerations, all of the reconsiderations that you're 01:19:36
making. It does make a difference and I do appreciate that. 01:19:42
So those are all my comments. 01:19:50
Thank you so much. 01:19:52
Hang on a minute, Kelly. So we don't know if the exact, the exact amount of short term rentals. 01:19:55
I believe, like you said, you can go through Airbnb, VRBO and start getting some numbers, but my question is, is what's the 01:20:04
percentage of people that rent their places without going through a platform? There's always that angle. 01:20:12
The other thing I would say is that. 01:20:20
I've never once said that that umm. 01:20:24
Well, to back up a little bit, I just recently, yesterday had a meeting with the Sheriff's Office. 01:20:31
Deputies cannot find places like Inpatient to rent to live. 01:20:37
You know they cannot do that. 01:20:44
You know, not on their wages at least. You know, when I, when I look around and young where we're both from, very, very few long 01:20:46
term rentals, very few. 01:20:52
When I look at these other places, it seems to be the same thing. That's fine if people want to have the short term rentals and 01:21:01
everything. I'm not opposed to short term rentals. Never have been opposed to short term rentals. 01:21:06
And to solve a housing crisis is is more than us as a county will. Whatever be expected to do, we can't do that. We're not going 01:21:12
to solve it. 01:21:17
You know it's gonna run its course and so. 01:21:23
I think and for sure that. 01:21:28
When you mentioned corporations buying up homes, there are corporations buying up homes scattered about and all it all in one 01:21:32
neighborhood or one city, not even all in one state, but there are corporations that do look for those opportunities. It's a money 01:21:39
making proposition. You know, you buy the place, you rent it, you want out of it, you sell it and you make a few more dollars off 01:21:45
the property you just sold because of the current market. 01:21:52
And so it's a no brainer. I mean, that's where they need to be if they're going to make money. 01:21:59
So there's a lot of different aspects, the short term rentals that nobody here in this room really knows yet. 01:22:03
That's the way I see it. And I also think that by going with an ordinance like this and we do start licensing short term rentals, 01:22:10
we're going to start building that base on actually how many there are out there. 01:22:17
It may take three years to get it done, but pretty soon we're going to know or have a better number of knowing what's out there. 01:22:23
See, we're not going to have anything to do with like the town of Patient. They have their own short term rentals. 01:22:29
Ordinance. They do their own things. This is for unincorporated areas. It's not just county wide. 01:22:36
Corner to corner. And so when it comes to the towns like Basin Globe. 01:22:42
Winkelman, Hayden, some of these areas like that, they have their own. 01:22:48
Own process, their own ordinances that they work with. Now we can work with that and give them their numbers, but but it's going 01:22:53
to take a while to get get the numbers down. It really is when Randy throws out a number like 800 or whatever, that's even less 01:22:59
than what originally I thought. I thought it was 1000 N of 1000, but who knows. 01:23:05
You know, would you like me to tell you how many? I I'm a community leader for Airbnb. I could, you don't have to wait three 01:23:13
years. I could let you know I know you're going to 3rd party. 01:23:19
You know, people to get your, your data and I, I was just thinking, let's cut to the chase. Let's get the real numbers. So you're 01:23:25
here right now. So Airbnb, you've got numbers on Airbnb, right? I don't have them right now. No, no, that's OK. I am in 01:23:32
communication. I'm an owner and they will give me that information. But but what I'm saying is that's Airbnb, right? That's not 01:23:38
VRBO, that's not. 01:23:44
Private. 01:23:51
Rentals. 01:23:52
You know, a lot of people get hung up on, you know, Airbnb, VRBO, which I think Bob, you guys go through that, don't you? A 01:23:53
platform, A lot of people do and I see the reason why they do it. I get that. But there is a lot of them that do not. 01:24:00
They do their own deal and most of them I will say are the ones that live right there close to their rentals. They're right there 01:24:06
in the same neighborhoods. But anyway, I'm sure these guys would like to know numbers eventually. Here comes Michael right behind 01:24:14
you. Yeah, thank you just for this conversation. And and I know Randy said 800. I think I think we forgot since the last meeting 01:24:21
we did, you know, contact a third party company that cuts across all platforms at one point in time. There's a thousand 1100. 01:24:28
Possible stores being being talked about and discussed. 01:24:36
Those are listings. So the third party company that we discussed this with and got the data from said those are listings. You have 01:24:39
multiple listings. You can have one home that's on VRBO and one home that's on Airbnb. So the 1100 that home account is 2. The 01:24:46
real number is close to 500 in unincorporated Healer County. That's what we based the, the, the, you know, the permit fee 225 or 01:24:53
$250 on. So it is around 500. 01:25:00
Individual VRBOS. Airbnbs. 01:25:08
Facebook, it cuts across all the platforms that you list the the short term rentals on. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Yeah, most 01:25:10
of us do Airbnb verbal. I mean, I haven't met very many people that don't do both, you know, so that's why I'd be that low number. 01:25:17
But I mean, I don't really know. Just just curious in young specifically, I mean, how many jobs are there available for people to 01:25:24
come beyond? 01:25:31
To want to get a rental, you know, and so I'd have that kind of question like, because I don't think there's a lot of jobs 01:25:38
available in young for rentals to want to come to young. So what, what they do come to young for is short term rentals because 01:25:46
they're trying to get out of the valley and, you know, you live there. So, but no, I, I again, I appreciate, I really, really, 01:25:53
honestly do appreciate all of the, the time that you spent and, and the administration. So thank you, thank you, thank you. 01:26:00
So we have, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I do have one more thing to say. We'll come up. Things come up. 01:26:08
We had talked about this as the last work section. I know I talked to you 2 gentlemen about it the other day. There was the 01:26:19
conversation over the TP and there's a gal that has the TP and young and there's a couple people have the touch shed type of mini 01:26:26
building and Mr. O'Driscoll and Mr. Plummer said that they were going to take that in consideration and look into that. 01:26:34
And see if they could come up with something, you know, to cover those, to make them still be rentable. The only thing I could 01:26:42
find in the ordinance still is that it has to be a, a permanent structure. Are we going to address that still? 01:26:49
So we talked with supervisors. It still does have to be a permanent structure. They can work on getting the TP permitted and 01:27:01
there's going to be some hoops to jump through to get to that. But they can get that TV permitted. They can. 01:27:09
Tough Shed says they don't want any of their. 01:27:19
Products used for living in, they have one that's designed, that's a true story, that's designed for residential. That's what they 01:27:23
want people to live in. They really don't want them in the utility. 01:27:30
Shed which is you occupancy and so they still have to be permitted structures, but they can get there just got to go through some 01:27:39
process to get there to make sure it needs code and egress and and emergency response stuff. So if if let's take for instance 01:27:46
Janine that has a TV, she needs to get with you guys to find out what she needs to do to do that. OK all right, all right, thank 01:27:53
you. I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you, Mr. Chair, back and up just for clarity. 01:28:00
The comment was made that Airbnbs are not. 01:28:08
They're responsible for the housing shortage in Hilo County. I don't know that they've ever been. 01:28:11
Said to be responsible for the shortage of housing in Elena County. I think at our last meeting I believe it was maybe Sedona to 01:28:16
wear a board pass that if you have a job you can live in the park in your car because of the shortage of housing. I never said 01:28:26
that Airbnbs were responsible for shortage of housing in Halo County. 01:28:36
But there are communities where it has caused a major issue, and I would not like to see that in Hill County. But I'm not blaming 01:28:46
it for Hayley County. Thank you. 01:28:52
Yes, we have been accused. The board has been accused because I've heard it that the only reason we're doing this is to eliminate, 01:29:00
eliminate stores and go back to long term routes. And that's not my motivation at all. I don't believe this is the board's 01:29:07
motivation at all. My concern from the beginning has always been those that live in the neighborhoods that are impacted negatively 01:29:14
over this, this type of business that's in the neighborhood. 01:29:21
And that's really my only motivation. So we have Vincent, Cindy Hudson with us from Pine. 01:29:28
You both want to speak one speak. 01:29:36
OK. Please come up, Cindy. 01:29:40
First of all, yes, I want to thank you all for being gracious and listening to We the People because we do deserve a safe. I want 01:29:47
to remind you that short term rental owners are also property owners. I've heard a lot of talk about the property owners being 01:29:54
affected negatively. And yes, there are some bad apples out there and they need to be curtailed and hopefully getting this 01:30:00
ordinance right will do that. But please. 01:30:07
When we get this ordinance right, let's remember that we are also property owners. 01:30:13
And I would hope that you we would have equal consideration. 01:30:19
Not just listen to the ones that are loud and boisterous. And with that, I've been there myself that time. OK, so. 01:30:24
The main thing I want to talk about though is this paper listing. Okay, let me give you an example. 01:30:34
Our short term rental is one building, one house that has four separate units in it. They all have separate entrance. They all are 01:30:41
a bedroom and a bath. We house two people in those units. 01:30:48
OK, according to this. 01:30:56
Paper listing. 01:30:59
We would have to pay this fee four times. Now I also list, I list on Airbnb and I list on verbal and I list on Google. And I think 01:31:01
all of a certain renters don't only list on one platform. You know, that's, that's economics. You get your name up. So now not 01:31:09
only do I have to pay floor fees, you have to times out by three because I have listings on all three sites. So that's 12. 01:31:17
So now according to the language in this document, I would have to pay 12 fees. 01:31:26
It makes more sense to me to have you pay the fee per building. 01:31:33
I mean, if someone has a short term rental, you know. So Cindy, I got a question for you because, you know, I brought that up a 01:31:40
while ago. So you and Vance personally, do you have a fear that if for some reason something went awry in one of your rooms in 01:31:48
your house, that you would be shut down for the remain for the whole deal till it was figured out? 01:31:56
The way this is written, that would happen the way the orange is written. So I'm just saying, like Adam said in a left skip. 01:32:07
Clarified in writing. That's the difference though. If you paid separately for every room that you rented out, or if you paid 01:32:14
separately for every room rented out, you had an issue with one instance, whatever that may be. I don't know, I'm just using it as 01:32:21
an example. That one would be shut down, but you'd still be able to operate the other ones. 01:32:28
That's the difference. If you had it all under one fee for $225.00, do you operate like you've been doing and you had an instance 01:32:36
in there and you would basically be shut down until it was all resolved? Does that worry you? 01:32:43
I live on the property. I do things right. No, that's what I was getting. Should I be penalized to have to pay 12 fees because I'm 01:32:52
doing things right? You got 12 rooms in there? No, no, I just said there's four rooms. Mr. Chair, I believe that the deputy county 01:32:59
manager is standing behind you to respond. 01:33:06
Two year persistence on 12 feet. Yeah. So just for clarification, it's not, it's so if you have a home and you have 4 bedrooms and 01:33:13
a home, 3 bedrooms and a home if you list each home individually. 01:33:19
In VRBO, in Airbnb, that's an individual permit, so that would be 4 permits. It's not based on the number of listings across the 01:33:26
platforms. It wouldn't be you have 3 bedrooms and your advertising them on four different platforms, so 12 fees. It is the 01:33:35
individual rooms if you're renting them separately a separate businesses. 01:33:43
Each one requires a permit. OK, so for certification, if the Hudson's said we, we have. 01:33:53
Availability, this is the price they they would pay one fee and then they would fill the four routes. But if they alternatively 01:34:01
said, oh, we have the we have the Renaissance room or we have the hunter room or we have the uh. 01:34:10
You know, wedding venue, room or whatever. Those become separate then as separate listings. That is correct. If you're listing 01:34:21
each individual room separately as an individual business on Airbnb or VRBO, then they would be considered individual permitted. 01:34:29
Short term rentals, but if you have a three bedroom home and you're renting and you're just listing it as one house, one permit. 01:34:39
OK. And you can rent that up to three times. Does that help you understand? 01:34:47
Where we're at, where you're at, I have, I have a one, I have one house that has four separate bedrooms that are individual units. 01:34:53
It's not like not a house with four bedroom where there's, you know, everybody has the whole house. 01:35:02
You can. 01:35:12
You can rent this, you can rent room ABCD separately, not together. There is no, there's just abandoned, abandoned. There's no 01:35:14
kitchen. What Michael is saying that is if you do not list ABC and D separately, but you have someone called, you have 01:35:22
availability, I can put you in unit C, That's that's one listing, not 4. 01:35:30
But if you start turning those four bedrooms into. 01:35:40
A separate business function listed separately because of the uniqueness. 01:35:45
Then you're subject to four rentals. 01:35:52
It's one business, It's Beeline Guest House. I have Sweetheart. If you have a mall and you have four different stores in that 01:35:59
mall, do you think each one of those stores should have a permit or do you think that covers all of them? 01:36:07
I think in this case there will be the inspector will come out to one building and inspect because it's one. 01:36:15
Utility system, it's one, you know, heating and cooling, it's one water, it's one septic. They're connected. It's one building. 01:36:25
They're all connected. They're not four separate little buildings. 01:36:31
That should be one permit. I mean, if we're talking about. 01:36:37
The effective use of the money that we're paying and we have to cover the cost that the county is going to incur sending someone 01:36:42
out to inspect or to even set up for the initial permit, that should be one fee, not per listing. 01:36:49
I do list them as the Ponderosa Room, as the Pine Room, as the Oak Room. They're listed separately, but they're all one building. 01:36:57
They're all one short term rental. 01:37:03
When fee infrastructure perfect. 01:37:11
OK, my paper building 1 paper structure. I think we understand your your concern. 01:37:15
Is that all? I just want to reiterate that when I spoke to you about this, you said no, that would be one feet. So what I my 01:37:23
response was that's not what's in writing. And I agree, like with Adam, it should spell out what what staff is saying should be 01:37:30
spelled out and it should spell out one fee per structure, not one fee per listing. 01:37:38
To remedy. All right. Thank you. 01:37:47
Mr. Turner #3, sorry if I remember correctly. 01:37:51
Come on up to the. 01:37:54
At the last work session, we all talked about, and I think we all pretty much agreed was one permit per parcel. So like there's a 01:37:58
gallon in young and she has two small cabins. She would pay one permit per parcel. And I think we we're all kind of agreeing on 01:38:04
that. Last night. Well, we discussed it. I'm not sure we agreed yet. So yeah, we did discuss it. I have another person here, 01:38:09
Verla. 01:38:15
Doctor. 01:38:23
Yes, come on up. 01:38:25
You're in Eastbury Park, if I remember. Yeah, I am. 01:38:33
I have an addition I want you to add. 01:38:38
I think you need to have in there what's the fee for somebody who reports a false violation? 01:38:41
We haven't. We have a guy in our neighborhood right now and he has mental issues anyway, but he's going to be reporting everybody 01:38:50
for everything. 01:38:55
And there's going to be many, many false violations he's going to report. I think you need in there that there's a fine for making 01:39:01
a false violation report. 01:39:06
That's the only that would be fair to us because we should not be harassed and he is harassing us to the point that my husband and 01:39:13
I just picked up. 01:39:17
Restraining order against him. 01:39:23
So, um. 01:39:26
That that needs to be added. 01:39:28
The other thing you guys need clarification in this because when you say bug spray, what does that mean? Does that mean I have to 01:39:32
have a professional company? How many times a month, a year do I have to spray for bugs? 01:39:40
Umm, you don't clarify. 01:39:50
And that I feel like that means quantification or we don't know if we're doing it right or not doing it right. 01:39:54
Parking in the streets and boy I agree with you guys. Some of our streets are way way too narrow to be parked on. East Verde 01:40:03
Estates is one of them. Nobody should be parking in our streets. There should be no parking signs everywhere. But my renter isn't 01:40:11
going to. His car isn't going to take up anymore room than my neighbor's car so my renters car is blocking the street. 01:40:18
So is the next door the owners car blocking the street? 01:40:27
So I just think. 01:40:32
Yes, we need rules, we need regulations, but they need to be universal. 01:40:34
Divine spring for bugs because that's a health concern. Everybody in my neighborhood should have to straighten up. 01:40:40
If you have a health concern that my steps may run over because I have four people in the house. 01:40:47
What if my neighbors got eight and his septic runs over his septic didn't cause a health problem? 01:40:55
So I think you guys need to look at this and say we need to make the laws universal. 01:41:02
We all need to care. Airbnb people and owners need to care. Owners need to care. 01:41:09
Your dog's barking. If you're an owner, it's OK, but if a renter comes in and their dog barks, it's not OK. 01:41:15
Where do Where do we draw the line here? 01:41:23
That's what we're trying to figure out. 01:41:27
Thanks. Yeah, I believe, I believe Michael has some responses to perhaps a couple of your comments. 01:41:30
That's what government does best is not, not a lot of neighbors get along even though we all like to think we get along. So we are 01:41:40
complete based and there are many complaints we go on that are false. They're they're called in and appropriately whatever you 01:41:47
want to call it, they're not valid is what we call it. But we go out and investigate all of them. It doesn't matter. 01:41:54
So exactly. But that's, that's sort of that's a very difficult thing to ask because. 01:42:02
We go out and investigate. We're required by law to go investigate these things. So and then we document what is valid, what's 01:42:11
not. So we'll have a document on us. If you have somebody who's doing the continuous and it's illegitimate, I get it. And we'll 01:42:18
have the documentation. And then if it rises to the level that you believe, that's harassment. 01:42:24
Then it's a then it's a civil issue between the homeowners and then we are, we would have the documentation how many times you've 01:42:31
been there and all this. I think you were could tell a lot of this by having it as part of the law. Part of this. And Mr. Chair, 01:42:39
if I may, is, is, is on bugs. You know, I mean, your own home is yours, whether you have cockroaches or whatever that that's up to 01:42:46
you. But I don't know if you've ever seen or had bed bugs And that's transmitted by people and. 01:42:54
People stay at a place one time and then they stay at a place another time. I would, I would think to have some kind of, of bug 01:43:02
prevention for bed bugs and things of that. I, I think it is important because if I was going to rent someplace and, and you do no 01:43:09
spraying, I would be very concerned on who stayed there last weekend. 01:43:17
And so if, if you don't want to spray, then you know, but, but but what I'm saying is that could be a comfort as well as a burden. 01:43:25
I spray monthly but and and it's a professional, but I'm saying you don't have a guideline here. You just throw it out and say bug 01:43:35
spray. And I've done my Airbnb for 10 years. I've never had a difficult in any of them. So there's cleanliness issues. Yes, Mr. 01:43:43
Chair, if I may, That's that's fine. I mean, if there's got to be a health regulation for. 01:43:50
For I know you don't like to be compared to motels, but where where people stay multiple times multiple people, there has to be 01:43:59
some kind of regulation on what kind of chemicals should be used to prevent. 01:44:07
Transporting things as bed bugs and things like So then you're saying? 01:44:14
So you're controlling the chemicals? No, But I'm just saying there might be a state regulation where like motels are sprayed so 01:44:22
that they don't have lice and bed bugs and things in their rooms. Because you don't know the people that reach your place last 01:44:30
weekend, next weekend, a year from now, you don't know what they may be carried. 01:44:37
After every rental we get sprayed. 01:44:45
I said we'll look at the health department issue of that, of how to combat those kinds of transfers of those kind of bugs. 01:44:49
As far as Bugsburg goes. 01:45:00
Then there would be a better. 01:45:03
Regulation on what would be expected for them, but but yeah, if they get contacted from anybody that they arrived at a home and 01:45:07
there were bed bugs, they take us off the platform, we're not on, we're done. 01:45:16
I would just soon know that your rooms are sprayed so I don't get ice and bed bugs than a sex offender because nobody's going to 01:45:27
offend me that way but the bugs. 01:45:32
Another thing I did call Airbnb about the sex offender because I wanted to know what are you checking? Are you going to tell me as 01:45:38
an owner that this person a sex offender? And they told me absolutely not because there's federal privacy laws about disclosing 01:45:46
this and even if they find out it's a sex offender, Airbnbs not going to report it. 01:45:55
Because that's a violation of that person's fantasy. 01:46:03
They said they so they're not gonna help us here. They aren't gonna tell us. 01:46:08
They said it's a violation of privacy. 01:46:14
Thank you, Verla. 01:46:17
Some things are implied. You're going to have a clean place, you're going to have bug free place. You're going to have clean 01:46:19
water. 01:46:23
Those are all implied. 01:46:27
So I think. 01:46:29
It would be inappropriate to try and nail down exactly what the ordinance should say about the cleanliness of a place or 01:46:32
something. So just if you have, you're renting your place out, have it bug free. If that means you've got to spray it every day, 01:46:37
then do that. If not, you know, it just has to be bug free. Vince, did you did you have something you wanted to add? I got a 01:46:43
little note here this. 01:46:48
That. 01:46:55
And I know you're going to be super brief. 01:46:58
Not like the first guy. I have to say we need to thank several of you guys, Randy Palmer for his talk about the fire, which is 01:47:03
major, this gentleman about the sewer systems. But if our county is a county, went in and set up the rules for amount of parties 01:47:12
that can belong in the house, 80% of the problems we've been talking about today are solved. 01:47:20
So I believe that that's something that maybe the health department and the county officials. 01:47:29
Need to sit down and come up with. 01:47:35
Because I know we have Airbnbs, we don't allow more than two people, but that's us OK. Are we doing right? I feel yes, but that's 01:47:38
not my decision. It needs to be a decision that the county says 2 bedroom home, you're allowed X. 01:47:47
Four bedroom home you're allowed X instead of this 20 people per unit and if if the county puts those ordinances in fact that's 01:47:57
going to solve a lot of our problems and then secondly. 01:48:04
If your kid goes out and gets in trouble. 01:48:14
It's traffic ticket on the street. Are you responsible to pay for that or him? 01:48:17
He is right. I don't care if he's 16 years old. 01:48:22
Why should the owners of the dwellings be responsible for the pardons that are renting those out? 01:48:26
They should not be, but the party is written out should be liable for whatever actions they are taking. 01:48:33
And that's something that through ordinances, our county could set that up and it would be a lot easier on all of us. We wouldn't 01:48:41
be. 01:48:46
Here, I mean most of us that come up here, we rattle on about nothing. 01:48:52
And that's not what we need. I've done a lot of development over the years and. 01:48:58
If you put down the rules and regulations, period, not per units. 01:49:04
Multi family needs to abide by the same rules, single family homes need to buy by the same roles as as the Airbnb says. And if the 01:49:11
county puts those ordinances in place, it would help a lot. Steve. 01:49:18
That's about all I've got to say. Thank you. Thank you. Miss Johnson. Last person, Hal Key. 01:49:24
Well, thank you, Board supervisors, and thank you for your effort so far. 01:49:41
I just want to say in the play Romeo and Juliet, at the end of the play, the Prince comes in and all the dead bodies are laying on 01:49:47
the floor and he asked what happened here and Prior says I will be brief and he tells the whole story. I'm not going to tell the 01:49:52
whole story. 01:49:58
I'm going to address 2 things. First, I'm a licensed mechanical engineer. I have designed plumbing systems, very large plumbing 01:50:04
systems. I've also designed septic systems for a number of different type of occupancies. 01:50:12
My suggestion on the occupancy because you have it tied to two people per bedroom in many cases that septic system is over 01:50:21
designed for a one bedroom house. Mine that I just built this last year. 01:50:29
Actually will support 3 bedrooms even though I will only have one bedroom in in the facility. 01:50:38
So if we tie this to two per bedroom or. 01:50:45
Include the Oregon. 01:50:51
As allowed by the discharge permit for that property. 01:50:53
There is a property that I'm aware of in Hingle Creek that's a large. 01:50:58
Lodge. They have at least five or six bathrooms. 01:51:04
By this ordinance, they can only have 25 in that facility, even though they can easily. 01:51:11
Sleep. 01:51:19
50. 01:51:21
And I also want to address the term bedroom nowhere in the international codes, including the International Residential Code, 01:51:24
which the county has adopted. 01:51:29
For residential construction, do they use the term bedroom? 01:51:37
Nowhere in the international codes do they use the term bedroom. Every instance they talk about sleeping area. 01:51:42
Sleeping area may be a room but they don't call it a bedroom. 01:51:52
The only place where the term bedroom occurs is an adequate rules and their interpretation of that and so if we tied the occupancy 01:51:57
to the discharge permit. 01:52:04
That could allow a greater occupancy than more than two per bedroom on a facility if that septic system is already designed for 01:52:12
that discharge. 01:52:18
2nd. 01:52:25
This last six months I've had to talk to opportunity to talk to some senior members of the Sheriff's Office. And by the way, I'm 01:52:27
very disappointed that you don't have a member of the Sheriff's Office who can speak for the Sheriff's Office here today. I've 01:52:33
already had that discussion with with at least one of the supervisors in the past. 01:52:39
When it comes to the response on a problem on a property. 01:52:47
I was told, and this is from a member who can speak for the the Sheriff's Office. 01:52:53
That they do exactly what Michelle Nelson suggested a year ago last April if there's a problem on one of these properties. 01:52:59
They call the platform and they file a complaint with the platform and the platform evicts. 01:53:11
The problem people. 01:53:20
And so that the Sheriff's Office is already doing that when they have the opportunity. But in many cases, it sounds like those 01:53:23
that are having complaints with these short term rentals are not enlisting the assistance of the Sheriff's Office. They're trying 01:53:29
to handle it on their own or getting another. 01:53:36
County employee to solve that problem instead of going to the Sheriff's Office. 01:53:45
That's all I had. Thank you, Mr. Key. Michael, you have something? 01:53:51
Sure. I'd like to sort of go over information regarding how a septic permit is issued inhaler County, just to give everybody here 01:53:56
a little bit brief. 01:54:01
History of that, So if you as a property owner want to build a home, you come in and you give us engineered plans for a septic 01:54:08
system say A2 bedroom home and there are special 80 Q requirements for that based on mathematical calculations, how many bedrooms 01:54:15
are there, how many fixtures, that kind of stuff. And then we base that septic size that needs to be. 01:54:23
On those calculations and then we give the permit, the discharge permit for that. 01:54:32
Most of the homes in Gila County, you give us our we issued permits based on what is given to us, a three bedroom home. 01:54:37
In the future, can you expand that system? Yes, you'll have to add on to the septic system. Or are there occasions where a 01:54:45
homeowner plans ahead and says I have a two-bedroom and maybe I want to turn this into 4 bedrooms in the future and I don't want 01:54:53
to go through the cost of applying for a septic system increase 10 years from now, so they will submit. 01:55:00
Expanded plans for a four bedroom home but build a two-bedroom. The majority of homes in Gila County. The permits issued are for 01:55:09
the exact calculations of what size homes are given us. There are exceptions, but not many. I just wanted to clarify that. 01:55:17
And if I can also clarify that he's correct on on that regard. However, there are minimum sizes of septic tanks. 01:55:26
That allow larger. 01:55:37
And then the lease fields or or disposal fields. 01:55:41
Are also sized for a minimum amount as well, not just on that one metric. And so you need to look at the metrics on how those are 01:55:48
sized and you need to look at the discharge permit as a discharge permit will have. 01:55:57
What's allowed? 01:56:07
Thank you, Mr. Key. 01:56:09
Berlin, you have something else. 01:56:13
Shares Captain calling Airbnb and the appeal. 01:56:16
With that thought, this year's have been calling Airbnb, DRBO, Michelle and I put out in our community, we put out in our 01:56:28
community letter the numbers to call at Airbnb and VRBO if there was a concern. And that has really taken away the majority of the 01:56:35
problem in our neighborhood because people have called those numbers. But maybe those numbers could be added on the field that we 01:56:42
have to put close on our door. 01:56:49
If a deputy does come out and he doesn't know the number, all he has to do is look and it says contact Airbnb at this number, 01:56:56
contact the RB on this number or whatever platform you're on that we could provide it. 01:57:03
That's pretty simple. 01:57:11
Thank you. 01:57:13
OK, I'm about to move on. Do you have any comments you'd like to add, Supervisor Humphrey? 01:57:16
No, I just, I just feel that once we get an ordinance passed. 01:57:21
Then we'll know more of who the bad players and things are because we'll have more regulation on what's going on. You know, how 01:57:26
many, how many sheriff's calls to these addresses because the sheriff will have those addresses and no water Airbnbs or whatever 01:57:32
and, and what are residences, The sheriff will know that and, and so, you know. 01:57:39
We can. We can keep working on an ordinance. Will there ever be a perfect ordinance? No, I don't believe so. But but I think the 01:57:47
sooner we can get one passed, the sooner we can go forward with getting permits so that we know the numbers of how many are here 01:57:54
and we know the problems that are the ones that are creating problems and the ones that are not. I mean, we can pick things apart 01:58:02
and the discharge may be a good idea, but some of these older homes. 01:58:09
Don't know what they've got in the ground, perhaps because it's grandfathered in. So are we going to dig up to see what they have? 01:58:17
And Oh my God, you got a cesspool. It's outlawed now you're shut down. I don't want to open that can of worms, you know, so, so 01:58:24
we, you know, we're, we're trying to find a balance here. And I think once we get an ordinance, the better, the better we can 01:58:32
start working on, on what needs to be controlled and, and, and what we really need to look at as far as. 01:58:39
Things and, and I appreciate everybody's input because you know, we, we do really I think this board tries to work for the public. 01:58:47
That's why we keep having these so that we can hear from you on what's going on and and I do believe that our our staff if, if 01:58:53
someone has an issue with the building or. 01:59:00
Or something of that nature. It's not an automatic violation. We try to help you and, and then if you if, if you don't let us help 01:59:07
you in the direction that you need to go, yeah, then it becomes a violation. But I, I, I, you know, I thank everybody for their 01:59:15
comments because that helps us kind of balance the pendulum instead of just do what what's recommended. 01:59:23
And so I, I thank you all very much. And is it a difficult deal? Is it ever going to be perfect? Is everybody ever going to be 01:59:32
happy with it? 01:59:36
No. And and I can't apologize for that because we're just trying to balance everything here. And, and so the closer we can get to 01:59:41
a balance and not all one sided or not all stringent, then then I think that's what we're trying to do. So I appreciate you all 01:59:49
very much. And and as we go forward with an ordinance, I just know not everybody's going to be happy. 01:59:57
But we can work on that from there once we know more of of the complaints that we're trying to regulate. So thank you, Mr. Chair, 02:00:06
that's all I have. Thank you, supervisor. Supervisor Klein. 02:00:12
Well, we're getting closer. 02:00:19
That's what I think. And you know, after going over all this again. 02:00:22
There was still some newer ideas and some newer thoughts and I think that that needs to be hashed out a little bit. And one is the 02:00:28
numbers, occupancy loads. I think that really needs to be looked at hard. And, and I know it might put you in a bad corner to work 02:00:34
through Josh, but I have all the faith in the world of you. So, but overall, I think we've come a long ways. I think there's 02:00:40
there's definitely been a lot of work to it. 02:00:45
And it's something that we need to go ahead and try and work these last little issues out and move on. And, and as that goes to 02:00:52
you guys working with Bob and Adam, then I'm all for it personally. But I, I think we're, we're really, really close to getting 02:00:59
some started. And everybody needs to keep in mind just because we come up with something that we think that'll work in six months 02:01:07
or a year, we may find out that it doesn't work and we're changing it again. So that's what I like. 02:01:14
With an ordinance, it's a working document and we have that right to to work with it unless our lawyer tells us no and she's not 02:01:22
going to do that. So, so I guess with that, thank you everybody for being here today. I know for you guys from Young and Payson 02:01:28
and wherever is Long drive, but I really appreciate seeing you here in the audience. So thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you 02:01:34
supervisor. And so I do thank everyone as well. A lot of good comments and I know it's it's a little brutal getting through all of 02:01:40
it. 02:01:46
And it's time consuming, but it shows that we are respectful to your concerns and as we're trying to work this through and so. 02:01:52
There's about two things that I've noticed seem to be something that we might want to re-evaluate and that is the in person 02:02:03
response. Does it have to be in person or can it be just a contact of some nature? That seems to be something to relook at And 02:02:09
then to me, I honestly just my own personal feeling on. 02:02:16
A structure that has three or four bedrooms, It's one structure. I think that should be one fee. 02:02:24
Versus separate cabins, separate structures, separate rentals that way. So that's my opinion and I'm going to leave it at that. 02:02:32
So. 02:02:36
All right. So if we're ready to move on, I sure AM. 02:02:42
Item 2B is information discussion regarding the history of the Healer County Fairgrounds and who's going to present. 02:02:47
Michael. 02:02:55
Obviously. 02:03:01
Thank you. 02:03:03
Less crowded now, Sir. 02:03:23
So thank you very much, Mr. Chair, members of the board. So a while back, Supervisor Humphrey approached me and. 02:03:27
Asked me to do some research on the fairgrounds, on the property in Gila County, some historical perspective and my management 02:03:36
associate Retta back there spent a couple hours, a couple weeks actually in the courthouse here going through past histories of 02:03:44
the Board of Supervisors in Gila County. And it was a fascinating trip, that's for sure. It started back in 1964. That's what our 02:03:51
records go all the way back to up until now and so. 02:03:58
What I have included part of this item is a 32 page historical perspective on the fairgrounds property that Reddit was able to 02:04:06
extrapolate just those items from the past board meetings and put them in this kind of a format. And so I'd like to have a 02:04:14
discussion with that prior prior to my discussion, I will say I've looked at this 32 page history for the fairgrounds multiple 02:04:21
times and the one thing that stands out clearly is. 02:04:29
Community members and the Board of Supervisors have always worked hand in hand to get things done on the fairgrounds. Policies 02:04:37
have changed. They've come back, they've gone away, they've come back. It's interesting to see the Board of Supervisors and how 02:04:43
that fairgrounds property has changed dramatically over over time, But the the community leaders have put in a lot of their unpaid 02:04:50
volunteer time. 02:04:56
They were constantly in front of the Board of Supervisors. 02:05:04
Asking for work to be done, asking for money for some of this work to be done, fundraising on their end to get some of this work 02:05:07
done. So if it's one thing that I took out of this, this historical perspective is that the community and, and the Board of 02:05:15
Supervisors have always worked together with this property to try and improve it, to hold events out there, to bring the community 02:05:22
closer together and people from outside to enjoy Healing County. 02:05:29
And that became quite clear in the documents. I do want to say that one of the questions I've been asked in the past is who owns 02:05:37
that property. That seems to be some people in the community, Residents have always asked who really does own that property. And 02:05:44
part of the package I included in this item was the deed to the property, which Heila County government did purchase that property 02:05:51
from the state Land department years ago. 02:05:58
For a set upon price, there are a couple deed restrictions. 02:06:06
On that purchase including, you have to have a race track there and of all things you have to have like a mechanical building. 02:06:11
Which is a little unusual. 02:06:20
But but those are a couple of deed restrictions and don't pose any kind of a future problem with any kind of expansion with what 02:06:23
we do out there in the fairgrounds at all. So, so that's to answer that question. Healer County does in fact own the property, but 02:06:30
we've always worked at the Board of Supervisors, has always worked with staff and the volunteers out there to make that facility 02:06:38
better, more events. And I think that's what we'll continue to do as we move forward. But. 02:06:45
I know there's. 02:06:53
People here from the public and I don't know if anybody has any comments or anything they'd like to if you like Adakana and if 02:06:54
it's a lot of paper and come on up here and give your perspective. But we do have the University of Arizona representatives here 02:07:01
and we also have. 02:07:08
Part of the fair committee here because the fair committee does receive funding from the state to operate the County Fair. So 02:07:15
that's how it gets done. 02:07:19
It's all on them and in a lot of volunteer times, but I'd be happy to answer any questions possible. 02:07:25
Humphrey, except from 1964 to 2024. 02:07:35
Yeah, and, and, and Fred and Michael, thank you very, very much. 02:07:42
Because the fairgrounds is really important to me. I worked out there for a long time with Joe Levine and, and so the 4H and 02:07:47
everything is real important, the fare, the rodeo, those kind of things. And so now a lot of things in District 2 are taking care 02:07:54
of the bridge and things like that. I, I, I jumping into the fairgrounds. I would, I, you know, I mean, it got to where it was for 02:08:02
dust and bird **** not, not people and events. And so I want to, I want. 02:08:09
All I can to help that. And so, you know, thanks all to staff and funds, we were able to get a second arena out there and 02:08:17
bathrooms so that we could put in for high school rodeo finals and perhaps different ropings and things with 4H. With two 02:08:24
different arena, you can have more things going on. And then we, we ran into an electrical issue that things are not as they 02:08:31
should be out there. We we need to upgrade because we rent. 02:08:38
Generators and light plants and everything just to operate the things we do now, which puts a burden on on the on the fair people 02:08:46
because they get state money. And you know, then then if a lot of it's got to go for electricity burdens them or it burdens us to 02:08:52
help them and that's all money that could go to different issues and so. 02:08:59
And then it seemed to me every time that fair and racing and 4H came along, it was like, there seems to just be a real 02:09:06
unsettlement, you know, of who's what, who has what, who owns what, who's responsible for what. And it's like we just kind of get 02:09:13
in a catfight and next thing the bears over and the racing's over. You know, things are over. And then it kind of dies down. But 02:09:21
but all of a sudden, come here comes the fair and here comes this and all of a sudden all this gets up. 02:09:28
Arrogant. And so that's why, you know, I had some constituents come to me and they said, you know, here, here's what we understand 02:09:36
that it is. And you know, 4H is everything and this and that. And it's like, I'm, I'm not saying they're not, but I don't know for 02:09:43
sure. And so I asked Michael to look into this and, and read it. And, and like you say, we've got a document that goes from May of 02:09:49
1964 to September. 02:09:56
Of 2002. 02:10:04
And and so you know, anybody that wants to read this, you know, the decisions made on the fairground, the supervisors that were on 02:10:06
the board that did it and who was on the fare and racing Commission at the time or whoever, and what individuals put a lot of time 02:10:11
in it and what didn't. 02:10:16
And so thank you very much for this. And by this, we know that that people counting now owns the fairground. That's, that's some 02:10:22
good information going forward and, and, and to work with people as we go forward. So, you know, I, I don't have any questions 02:10:30
other than where we're going to get the money to better improve it. But I mean, in all your research, I, I have no questions. It, 02:10:37
it's, it's not a matter of opinion. 02:10:45
It's not a matter of who's what, it's a matter of what the board at that time approved for that facility out there and who 02:10:52
approved it. And, and so we're trying to go forward with that information and, and so and, and make it the, the best that we can. 02:11:02
And so now as we work together as a community with, with, with fair and, and with 4H it it's like now, now we, we. 02:11:12
A little better perimeter because it's our stuff and you may have some stuff there. Then let's work together because you know, 02:11:22
how, how can we better use it? And because, you know, you bought the stalls, that doesn't mean 4H can't use them or the fair can't 02:11:29
use them. It, it, it needs to be grouped. It, it needs to be a group situation and not me, me, mine. And, and so going forward, I, 02:11:36
I think that your research, in my opinion. 02:11:43
Will help us sit down and be able to go forward. 02:11:50
With a more stable attitude than we've had in the past because it came to me that if we don't do certain things and that'll revert 02:11:54
back to the state. Well, I, I can appreciate that someone sat in that Board of Supervisors meeting when that was said, but they 02:12:02
didn't go to the one that said we bought it. Do you know so, so things have changed and, and, and so I, I think this is good 02:12:09
information for all of us to work forward in making. 02:12:17
And more productive recreational facility for Healer County to use because we're centrally located and you know, and, and have 02:12:24
better arrangements there for, you know, for the 4H. 02:12:31
Participants from Payson can show their their stock here. And, and so, you know, then we can move forward. And so I, I appreciate 02:12:41
the research very much and I hope it will, it will lead to. 02:12:49
More common ground with everybody's interest in that facility using it and making it a better place to go. So thank you, Mr. 02:12:58
Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Klein. 02:13:04
I love history and it was really cool. 02:13:11
Looking at all that, but it did not surprise me. You say it was started in 64, I was born in 63. I grew up with going to the 02:13:15
fairground from time. I was little bitty to the horse races and everything that had to offer there to the fairs and everything 02:13:20
else. So there's no doubt. 02:13:26
The Board of Supervisors put that together for a reason when they get it, and horse racing was part of it, but so was the 02:13:34
opportunity for the community to use it and the kids to be a part of it and for it to continue on and to grow. 02:13:41
There's no doubt in my mind when I look at the list of names and people that's involved in that over the in the past. Back then, I 02:13:50
knew most of those people. They're gone now, unfortunately. But but I knew those people and I can assure you that's what they 02:13:58
wanted. It wasn't wasn't to be hassled over. It wasn't to be argued over on what long to who or who could use it and who couldn't. 02:14:06
It and so that's that's where I really want to start at is why it's there to begin with. 02:14:15
It seems like in more recent years the fairgrounds have been put aside. When we started in in 2017, there hadn't been really 02:14:22
anything done with the fairgrounds except the fair. And it was a it was a hard deal to pull off. People were struggling, a lot of 02:14:30
volunteers, not a lot of money thrown out there. It was tough, but they kept it going and so. 02:14:38
When I sat and I listened and I hear from different people the issues of the bickering or whatever it is. 02:14:47
Sometimes I can't help but say, hey folks, step back and put your big boy pants on and let's talk about this. We should all have a 02:14:55
goal in mind and that is to support our community on whatever that is. If if I'm just going to throw an example, if we set and 02:15:01
throw out fees for the fairgrounds that people can't afford it, then let's don't do it. That fairgrounds wasn't set there to to 02:15:08
for the county to make money off of. 02:15:14
That fairground was put there to support this community and the surrounding communities. 02:15:22
Back when it was started, the patient had its own fare up there and that's continued until here. More recently, Pleasant Valley 02:15:27
had its own fair, Pine had its own fair and things like that. Those have dried up now to where all these participants need to come 02:15:34
down here and use the fairgrounds here to be a part of the fair. And that's that is where I'm proud. At least we have the 02:15:41
fairgrounds and we're putting money into the fairgrounds to allow this to happen. 02:15:47
I, I think I've seen it a lot. I really have. And somebody will get mad at somebody else or whatever, but I just wish they'd sit 02:15:55
back and have a cup of coffee and talk about it and let's get on with it. As far as ownership of the fairgrounds, there was no 02:16:01
doubt in my mind who owned the fairgrounds. That was never even a question in my mind. And you got to take into consideration as 02:16:08
back when that fairgrounds was established, Helic County had three separate districts. 02:16:15
They function differently, they have their own budgets differently, the whole 9 yards. It wasn't until more recent years that the 02:16:22
county consolidated and all became one. 02:16:28
But still, when they put those fairgrounds together, all three Board of Supervisors came together on that and did it wasn't just 02:16:35
one, it was, it was all of them. And I think that's a real big key in this too. And I don't worry about our board sitting here 02:16:41
today. I might in the future when maybe we're not here, but but we're here to support that fairgrounds. It it the fairgrounds is a 02:16:47
county project. 02:16:54
It takes two of us three to approve any kind of dollars that goes into that. 02:17:01
Fairgrounds and and we've all supported the fairgrounds. All three of us were 100%. 02:17:06
Behind the forehead and the kids and I think from my standpoint. 02:17:14
I just would like to just continue on, improve those fairgrounds, make sure they're getting used. That's another thing. We stick a 02:17:21
ton of money in there and then people can't use them because they can't afford a fee or they can't afford this or that. No, no 02:17:29
backup. You know, we want the fairgrounds to shine. We want it to be a focal point for Gila County. We want to be want it to be a 02:17:36
place that people can come have their series. 02:17:43
Or whatever mudbox, whatever it is, we want that to be a destination in Healer County and we want to do it right. And so I'm just 02:17:51
glad that we're able to be as far along as we have. We put a ton of money into that fairgrounds. 02:18:00
We're not just throwing money at it and not getting the use out of it. People are using it. My, my intention is I'm here for four 02:18:11
more years and that is to make sure that that heat, that fairgrounds can be used. You know, if, if there's fees associated with 02:18:19
whatever and people can't afford it, but it's a legitimate group or whatever it is, we need to work with that. 02:18:26
We need to do what we can with the people as well, but we don't need is the bickering and fighting that has been in that 02:18:34
fairgrounds. We don't need that. And I'm and I'm real serious about that. If people have issues and if they have issues with 02:18:41
something maybe they think we're doing or saying, please, by all means call us up and come talk to us because we need to keep that 02:18:49
fairgrounds going forward. It really needs to be the the the attraction of HeLa County and and it is a HeLa County. 02:18:56
Project and it does take two of the three of us to approve anything on that. 02:19:04
And that's another big thing to know as well. But right now you've got three of us sitting here that totally support. 02:19:11
The Fairgrounds. 02:19:17
Thank you, Mr. Chair. You're welcome. Thank you, Michael. And for everyone involved in compiling this history, it's it's very 02:19:19
interesting. And yeah, I think we all look forward to improving that, creating more opportunities for the public because the 02:19:24
purpose of government sometimes. 02:19:29
For instance, in this case is to provide a venue or provide something that's not easily provided by individuals in the public. And 02:19:36
so the fairgrounds is an important asset that we have. 02:19:41
And we have, I think a number of 4H. 02:19:47
Representatives here, they apparently had to leave early. So I I don't have anything about anyone wants to make any additional 02:19:54
comments. So I got just one more thing to say too, because I did get hung up on the groups and stuff used in the fairgrounds. But 02:20:00
what I didn't say is when we have a 4H event or we have a rope and going on there, that brings the outside money into this 02:20:07
community. 02:20:13
That outside money is real important to us as well. So that's the added revenue that is sitting there that we need to capitalize 02:20:21
on and get in here. You know, they, they stay in our hotels 8 or in our restaurants. They they buy the gas that we use for herf 02:20:27
dollars. They they do all these things and so. 02:20:34
By supporting the groups that want to put on functions and to use those, the fairgrounds like the gym and mineral show draws in a 02:20:41
lot of people and and that's where our revenues from accounting comes from a lot of it. So Mr. Chair, if I may, yeah. For 02:20:49
instance, is there been in meetings with Freeport who wants to bring name artist Tequila County? 02:20:58
Not only for their employees, but for the people of Halo County and and so they they want to do it at the paragraphs, which is a 02:21:08
compliment. 02:21:12
But the restrictions are, is how many people can we put it to fairgrounds? What will our existing electricity tolerate at the 02:21:17
fairgrounds? So the discussion was not who do we want to bring? Who will they ask to come depending on what we can can furnish, 02:21:27
what can what, what parking do we have? What, what, what facility do we have and how many people? 02:21:37
Will that hold? 02:21:48
Then they're going to look for an artist that usually attracts that many people. I would love to have a fairgrounds tell them call 02:21:50
George Strait. We've got plenty of space for it, you know, but I mean, that's kind of the situation we're in and have available 02:21:58
too. If if, if it's someday we work together and can get get funding and get, you know, public input. I remember when the rodeo 02:22:05
came out of deal downtown and, you know, all businesses. 02:22:12
You know, wild horse saddling and all this kind of stuff, you know that that interest is kind of gone and I'd like to, to see it 02:22:20
come back because I would like to have a facility like that. Like I say, if someone said, hey, we'd like to bring something to 02:22:28
your, to your community, What do you have to offer us? Like bring whatever you want. We, we, we can help you. But anyway, I just 02:22:35
wanted to bring that up because going forward it it's not, you know, Bill that they're. 02:22:43
It's there already here. We just don't have a facility for them. So anyway, thank you. 02:22:50
Thank you. You have any more? Just a couple quick comments, so. 02:22:57
Mr. Ben Love over the last couple years is applied for federally, federal earmarks. We're trying to get money to improve the 02:23:03
fairgrounds and unfortunately we've been turned down for the last couple years. So, so the county administration is certainly 02:23:09
working towards trying to get as many grants out there as possible to improve it and in the near future. One of the items Mr. 02:23:15
Minlove has asked. 02:23:21
My facilities director myself to come in front of the board for consideration is the first phase electrical improvements out of 02:23:28
the fairgrounds. We'll be presenting that soon to the board for consideration there to improve the electrical supply out there. It 02:23:35
takes two different phases to get everything up to snuff, but the first phase is to improve what we have up there and bring all of 02:23:43
all the fixtures we have up there to current electrical code and then the next phase. 02:23:50
To increase that power supply, which would allow us to hopefully. 02:23:58
4H would love this to an U of A to not bring so many generators out there for the County Fair and some other events as well. Yeah, 02:24:04
'cause that rent money could be used for other things other than just equipment. 02:24:10
So. 02:24:18
Oh, go ahead, James. I just had one question that may take you to answer. So when you went through all this history on that, 02:24:20
Michael, how did it come about for the prison? Is that actually on the 100 plus acres that the fairgrounds owns or is that on a 02:24:26
different partial estate band? I don't really know that supervisor the this particular research was just the fairgrounds property 02:24:32
and not the prison, but. 02:24:39
I could certainly do some research on that. I've always been curious, as you know, if it was actually something that was 02:24:46
negotiated with the county and state to build the complex there or whatever that is on a separate parcel. That is state land and 02:24:54
that's why the whole property out there is state land, why we are working to acquire an additional 280 acres. 02:25:02
Near that property is because it is state land. Yeah, thank you. 02:25:10
Mr. Chairman, we do have Hannah McDaniel here from the fair board and we are within weeks of the Healer County Fair for 2024. And 02:25:16
I wonder if if it's all right with you, Mr. Chairman, if Hannah wanted to plug the Gila County Fair, that is coming real quick. 02:25:24
Yeah, please. Come on. 02:25:34
And we have the Northern HeLa County Fair that will be coming in facing around September. I can't remember the date September. 02:25:41
Hi, thank you. Good afternoon. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So our fair here in Globe will be September 25th through the 02:25:50
28th. 02:25:54
We have lots planned for our four day event. Mud bugs, demo, cross rodeo, Ranch rodeo. 02:25:59
Livestock auction. Livestock shows. 02:26:09
And then a few other entertainment items streamed throughout the fair. So we're excited. I will say one thing, everybody that I 02:26:12
bring in for this event, whether it be rodeo, whether it be entertainment on the track, they love our facility. They think it's 02:26:19
great. They love our rodeo arenas. They love the open space on top kind of to be able to do whatever we need to with. It's been 02:26:26
great. 02:26:32
So I appreciate all the help and support from Helicopter. 02:26:40
Thank you for everything you do, Doctor Humphrey. Now I just thank you for all you do. I get paid for what I do. You volunteer. So 02:26:46
thank you very much. Absolutely. Hannah. Is there something else that you need from us? I mean, if there is, you just give it 02:26:51
James. 02:26:56
James has been great. OK. All right, thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I will add with Hannah and her 02:27:04
whole team, she has a volunteers as you notice move by the client. It's a year round. 02:27:11
Thing that they have to do, yeah, it's an hour, not a one. It's not a month out of the year. It's 12 months, 12 months, hours and 02:27:19
hours and hours that they do contribute in their own time to put on the affairs as well as right. I know that they do in the 02:27:24
Northern Humor County Fair as well. 02:27:30
1-2, we have Renee Carsons with U of A Cooperative Extension. Couple things that we have been working on is as you pointed out to 02:27:36
our client to work with them to formalize an agreement that U of A Cooperative Extension as a governmental entity as defined and 02:27:43
all. We've gone through a bunch of legal stuff with Jessica, but that they are through the corporate extension, the 4H and that 02:27:50
group can use. 02:27:57
The fairgrounds at no charge. 02:28:05
And we are formalizing the agreement for that. And did you have anything you wanted to say, Renee, with Mr. Chen? 02:28:08
Yeah, please come up, Renee. 02:28:18
Good to have you with us I'm glad to be here just have a comment just saying that we've come a long ways in this last year as far 02:28:24
as building the stronger relationship understanding. That's why I'm here to learn today, find out a little bit more about the 02:28:32
history and just appreciate the ongoing regular meetings that have been established now with our county manager so that even if 02:28:39
there's not a lot sometimes we have quite a bit to cover with as an agenda and other times nothing's on the agenda but we're. 02:28:46
Meeting so that we have that opportunity to continue to build the relationship and and understanding and learn. So I really 02:28:54
appreciate that and thank you. Thanks for going through this and this opportunity for us to hear and learn a little bit more about 02:28:59
the history as well. 02:29:05
Thank you. 02:29:11
See by the way, good. OK can do. Finally Mr. Chairman, if I could wanted to point out that we do have Bianca here, that is she is 02:29:13
her assignment is to manage the fairgrounds and she works with facilities and so we put them putting that effort to try and build 02:29:20
a schedule events and make sure that we are utilizing the fairgrounds. So you say that that brings traffic into Gila County. Yes, 02:29:27
absolutely. 02:29:35
And so Bianca and the rest of the facilities teams, thank you for what you're going to make sure that we're utilizing the asset 02:29:43
that we have. 02:29:46
You know, going to let them get off that easy. Owe you chance. 02:29:51
I that's up to you if you want Bianca to come and and have a chance to answer questions and we certainly can. 02:29:59
Only if she would like to. 02:30:06
Come tell us what you got scheduled. Tell us what your daily activities and things that you've been working on to get people here 02:30:09
in. Thank you, Bianca, for all that you do. Just give us a brief rundown on what what's in your world. Good morning. Yeah. I mean, 02:30:18
I've really been reaching out to facilities. I am in talks with the high school rodeo, hoping we can be added to their schedule. 02:30:27
Not this year, next year. 02:30:37
Bringing those in, pulling the numbers, what we brought in and I don't remember if it was 22 or 23 throughout the whole year. I 02:30:40
have, I pulled that in in four months of the beginning of this year. So I am reaching out, getting things, I mean everybody that I 02:30:47
talked to, you know, I'm making sure to and we do upgrades. I visit out there often just to make sure that you know, things are 02:30:54
getting done. 02:31:02
Look better. Our techs do great out there so I do feel like. 02:31:09
Everything is coming together. More things are being brought to, you know, to the town and people are realizing that is there so. 02:31:16
It's going great. 02:31:25
Supervisor Humphrey Yeah, no, just thank you for for all you do. And I would just like to remind everybody if, if, if you want to 02:31:28
do something out there, we have a 12 month calendar. I don't know if you're into a 24 month calendar as of yet. No, we do we, I 02:31:35
can but it, but if, but if you want to book something. 02:31:41
Call Bianca and book it because it does fill up and, and we're, we're trying to grow the facility so it doesn't fill up so fast 02:31:49
that we have more room for, for people to do things and, and have available to things. But, but right now we're, we're limited to 02:31:59
what we have and, and scheduling is important. And so think a little ahead if you're going to get married next year. 02:32:09
Where you might want to have it, you might want to book it a little bit in advance or something of that nature because we are 02:32:19
starting to have events out there and I want to have more events out there. So scheduling is extremely important and so if Bianca 02:32:27
can help with that. So I just I just wanted to let everybody know and people that are on the computer to to know that, you know 02:32:34
think ahead a little bit because. 02:32:41
You might think, well, the fairgrounds, I'll call them and let them know we're coming next weekend. It's like, oh, that's probably 02:32:49
not, not, not going to work. 02:32:52
So I just wanted to remind everybody that, you know, think, think ahead and, and, and reach out and we'll keep trying to to make 02:32:57
more availability. 02:33:02
For scheduling so thank you supervisor Klein Bianca, thank you yeah, I'd like to see it where you're booked out two years ahead 02:33:09
yeah we're we're getting there good. So we can just keep going and it'll it'll be good but thank you for what you're doing and and 02:33:14
hopefully we'll keep adding to it and. 02:33:20
Bigger and better facility so. 02:33:27
Yes, and I do thank you guys for all of your support and you know, sticking behind us and helping us get to where we need to be. 02:33:30
Thank you, Bianca. Thank you and everyone involved. Can I, Mr. Chillin, just add two more things that the electrical has been 02:33:38
mentioned that we do have a more firm price on what the getting our current electrical up to? 02:33:44
To grade to code is instead of the 650 that you heard last. Are we discussing future board business in a in a work session? I'm 02:33:53
giving you information. OK, but but OK, I think I know I can give information that that that price is closer to 250,000 than the 02:34:01
$650 depending on given recently. 02:34:09
And we're looking for potentially portable features that is again mentioned of a difficulty we have not having bleachers that 02:34:18
we're looking at horrible bleachers that can be used at not only programs, but different things that we can work with the 02:34:24
community on. So that's it, Miss Chef. 02:34:30
Thank you. Yeah, we have some significant challenges with capital improvements this coming year, so we'll be discussing all of 02:34:37
that. Thank you. If that's enough for Item 2B, we'll go on to Item 2C and information discussion, action to amend resolution 02:34:45
#24-08-03 and the attachment to resolution #24-0803 as required by the Arizona Department of Revenue Property Tax Oversight 02:34:52
Commission. Good afternoon, Maryland. 02:34:59
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Supervisor Humphrey, Supervisor Klein. When we sent our property tax rates and levies to the Department 02:35:07
of Revenue Property Tax Oversight Commission last week following your adoption, they shared with us that we needed to do and we 02:35:15
needed to include their two year comparison form. So we've just brought that to you. 02:35:23
Today, last year, we used that form also. We just sent it to them as an additional attachment. It's here for you today. 02:35:32
So that the resolution reflects that attachment and we'll use that going forward for our constituents, ease of use, Peace of Mind 02:35:39
and reference. Both our traditional form and the Department of Revenues 2 year comparison are on the website at this time. I will 02:35:47
update the resolution when I get it signed back from you. 02:35:54
Thank you, Mayor and Supervisor Humphrey. 02:36:03
No questions, Supervisor Klein. I don't believe I have any either. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, thank you very much. With that, I'll 02:36:05
call for motion. 02:36:09
Mr. Chair, I move to amend resolution #24-08-03 and the attachment to resolution #24-O8-O3 as required by the Arizona Department 02:36:14
of Revenue Property Tax Oversight Commission. Mr. Chair, I'll second that we have a motion to approve and seconder. Those in favor 02:36:23
say aye, aye. Motion carries unanimous. Thank you very much. 02:36:32
All right, and. 02:36:41
We'll come to item number three. Call to the public. We can open that up to anyone here here in Globe. Anyone here in Globe? No. 02:36:44
Anyone on the Internet, No. And we have nowhere with us in Payson and Bev. If it's all right, I'm going to give you a time limit. 02:36:51
And I realized 3 minutes for you just doesn't probably work. So how about I give you 5? 02:36:58
Thank you so much. I appreciate that. OK. 02:37:06
It's something echoing here. 02:37:13
Can you hear me? Not too well. 02:37:16
But we can't hear you. 02:37:19
OK. That's better. Yeah, that's better. 02:37:22
I can hear myself echo. 02:37:27
And hopefully you can hear it because I feel like I'm, I'm starting to add first of all, and the rhythm of breath of the knowledge 02:37:33
that. 02:37:40
It's it's, it was online how much information and you know, experience that you need. And so I, I really. 02:37:49
Give a lot of credit to face all of the things as well as you do. I really appreciate that. 02:37:58
I'm I'm actually it's a different subject. It's not an account, it's different. It's actually to me how much a great substitute is 02:38:06
much, much faster than fish that handheld so. 02:38:14
Now that I'm reading hands out, oh, you know, it's so important. You're going to be very pleased with my interest in that tool. 02:38:25
That we're saving a lot of time as election 2 projects from Lockhart, one of them being you have to supervise lunch right And this 02:38:36
this system is called an egg and I'm just going to read it. I thought this account has been testing it and Arizona County. 02:38:46
I have been very pleased to be involved with the a multi partisan team. 02:38:58
It's smaller parts and many all the different parts in testing the system. I'm gonna say time. I'm just gonna read a summary of 02:39:04
it, so. 02:39:09
I'm introducing A and it's called Abe I. I will send you this through e-mail and invite you, you know, look at it in your own 02:39:17
time. It's basically 10% a revolutionising election transparency and odyssey to restore public trust. 02:39:27
And the multi parts routine as I have a main mainly John Blake was the creator. He is a Democrat and he is very strong of 02:39:37
transparency and so a let me first describe it stands for a better education. Ade. I also believe on this area means amendment 02:39:47
should transparency and the college rights information. 02:39:56
Aid this groundbreaking tool that redefines how we find their violence by selectively valid images to the Castro record and that's 02:40:06
as you probably know our heart yes and that's DFA 50 type of Labor takes an image of every ballot that's happening and it also. 02:40:18
Produces a test of writing for every for every cell. 02:40:31
And so it allows users to fund the votes account exactly as test. 02:40:36
Oh, and this is personally important. This is a post election audit auditing. 02:40:44
And it's virtually important in our counties have this kind of system because for example in the last election we did not have any 02:40:52
most audit because. 02:40:58
Unfortunately only one part of the representative and I think and you all got an e-mail about that situation. I don't want you to 02:41:05
be with the unit and the general election. We do need to get back to election on it as required by the statutes. 02:41:15
Anywhere so. 02:41:25
Basically this a system is designed handle applies. 02:41:28
Voting methods where the digital ensuring that everyone is accounted for the high man's decision. 02:41:36
It's so far above the complex clusters of valid management by organizing the family images into separate precincts by each pair of 02:41:46
corresponding CBR segments, whatever records. 02:41:53
Basically, you probably know that there's a day in baseball castle breakfast. There's also five each of these, so they've got two 02:42:03
different. 02:42:09
Information so. 02:42:15
So why it's important in today's environment for trust in the electoral pockets will push to the ever a stand out by Natalie 02:42:19
freely audience precincts serve as the most accurate historical preference. 02:42:26
And are OK. 02:42:35
Mrs. Miller. 02:42:39
1 OK. 02:42:43
Greater than one detail. 02:42:48
A Promote transparency. I know it's hard to come first. Please. A personal factory, restore confidence. Our Democrats emerging and 02:42:52
divisions that are playing our nation. I'm going to stop it here because what I want to know is that I, I want to be on the agenda 02:43:01
so that this can be brought again. Mr. Songwriting, He's a demographic who created this system and I've been working closely. 02:43:10
He is making himself available to come and work session and to you is free to counsel that and so. 02:43:21
Well, basically you know and can become. It can be what's best for him to come speak with you. He's not in person. 02:43:35
Thank. Thank you, Bev. 02:43:47
Yeah, thank you. We're yeah. 02:43:50
Since it's not on the agenda, we don't make comments right now, so thank you for that presentation. 02:43:53
OK, question B. 02:43:59
Can you talk about? I know we can't tell you? Yeah. 02:44:04
I can't understand what she's saying. 02:44:08
No, we can't talk about it right now. 02:44:12
It's it. 02:44:16
In the near future, it needs to be on the agenda. That's correct. Thank you, Bev. 02:44:19
Well, I I appreciate both citizens and our relation to you because it is important. 02:44:27
And I I was finished in my respective response. Unfortunately I don't know what happened with my emails to me recently, but I have 02:44:36
not gotten responses from him so. 02:44:41
You know. 02:44:49
We'll get together another time, OK? 02:44:58
Thank you. 02:45:03
All right. 02:45:05
Mr. Mandela, do you have a report? 02:45:07
Mr. Chairman, I'm going to pass today. 02:45:10
Mr. Humphries. 02:45:14
Just a short one. 02:45:17
Our team attend a project team meeting tomorrow. 02:45:20
I'll be at a Garcia public meeting on Saturday the 31st and I'll hold the Tunnel Basin Community meeting on the 3rd. 02:45:26
At 5:00 PM. 02:45:37
OK. Thank you. Supervisor Klein. I don't. Mr. Chair, Coming up, we have a meeting with a coalition of counties on updating the 02:45:40
county land use plan. And so I'm going to give it Mr. James and ask Kathy to attend that out for me. But other than that, it's 02:45:46
pretty quiet, right? 02:45:52
OK, thank you. I don't have anything to report. So at this time I will call for motion to adjourn into executive session. So moved 02:45:58
Mr. Chair and I'll second it. OK, Those in favor say aye, aye. 02:46:05
Motion carries. 02:46:13
Oh, did he send you back? Hang on, hang on. I'm sorry, Samantha. 02:46:22
I'm sorry. 02:46:29
I I didn't notice you were. 02:46:31
Not there. 02:46:34
Are you ready? And we're reconvening the Board of Supervisors regular. 02:46:36
Session and I will call for motion. Mr. Chair, I would like to make a motion for staff to proceed as discussed in the executive 02:46:43
session. And I will second that we have a motion and a second. Those in favor say aye. Motion carries unanimous. Thank you. I will 02:46:49
adjourn this meeting. 02:46:55
We're putting off the ginger. Well, there isn't one because we have federal rules. 02:47:11
Thank you. Thank you, Sir. And right here I said employee name is that. 02:47:34
OK. 02:47:53