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OK. Good morning, everyone.
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Oh, thank you.
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The pile is getting deep today. So today is Tuesday, August 27th, 2024. It's a little after 10. I'd like to call this meeting to
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order, and I've asked James Manlove if he would lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance if you'd all stand.
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OK.
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And.
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One nation under God, individual liberty and justice world.
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Thank you.
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No invitation today. The.
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The first item is item 2A, which I presume is what a lot of people are here to talk about. And so the staff will present in the
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advisors will discuss with staff several things and then.
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We have a number of people that would like to make comments or that, and so we'll do it in that order. So item 2A is information
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and Discussion regarding ordinance #2023-08, the vacation rental and short term rental uses, which was adopted by the New York
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County Board of Supervisors on December 5th, 2023 and.
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Randy or Michael, who's presenting this morning, Josh.
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OK. Good morning, Josh.
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Good morning, Chairman, Supervisor. So you know, we decided.
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This originally came to us because there were complaints in a board meeting back in like June or July of last year and we had
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members of the public asking us, you know.
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What we could do about this issue or supervisors presented staff with the challenge of coming up with some kind of an ordinance
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that would match and and work towards a resolution for the issues that the citizens brought up.
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Rule Wendy Rogers, representative brought this to the state attorney general's office to look at the ordinance that we have. I
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wanted to read a couple of highlights from this just to make sure that everybody in the room and the Board of Supervisors has a
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special on your mind on page two of the state ordinance of the response because he the county ordinance #2023 dash OA imposes
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regulations for public health and safety rather than using.
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A zoning ordinance specific to vacation and short term rentals. The ordinance does not conflict with ARS 11269.17 B 2.
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Which is the zoning ordinance or the short term rental ordinance In his analysis, he said you've asked this office to consider
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whether he The county ordinance #2023-08 conflicts with ARS 11269.17 B2 by imposing requirements unique the vacation and short
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term rentals.
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And the state attorney general decided that it does not.
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Referring specifically to ARS 11269.17 B 1, the statute notes that those provisions may specifically include rules and regulations
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related to fire and building codes, health and sanitation, transportation or traffic control, or solid and hazardous, solid and
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hazardous waste and pollution control.
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I just wanted to bring those up as we go through some of the changes that we've made for presenting for this work session. So at
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the last work session, the board challenged us to relook at the ordinance based on some of the new issues that have been brought
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up. We went through especially there was a really helpful line by line reading from the attorney that was working with the STR
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owners.
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They gave a pretty thorough line by line reading through the ordinance, which was actually very helpful for us.
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So we went through that and the complaints that happened and let me go through some of the changes that we've presented to you for
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the ordinance.
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So from the original ordinance till now under 2.2 point one, we changed the permitted fee from $250 to $225.00. I can tell you as
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the Director of Public Health I have is the board is well aware I go through a lot of grants where I have to make sure that I
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budget as specifically as possible. Mr. O'Driscoll, the deputy county manager, had me go through this and we really looked at
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every last thing that we could cut, where we could cut processing prices on the program that we want to use.
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To administer the short term ordinance, cutting some management from the person that would be overseeing the administration, we
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feel pretty good we can get this down to $325. I'm also a firm believer that any kind of ordinance or anything that we pass,
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especially in this area, needs to account for all the costs that we are going to incur. We didn't want this to cut further into
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general fund expenditures, especially for the community development department.
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So with that said, we felt pretty comfortable that we could drop the price down to 225 and that we'd be able to maintain what we
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need to do to administer this and get it off the ground without cutting into the general fund of Randy's department.
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Throughout the document, we removed the word revocation or revoke when it turns anything to do with the permit or anything to do
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with the ordinance and we change those to suspension. It was one of the recommendations from the attorney and we agreed it matched
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the language that we needed to have. So you'll see it revoked or revoked is removed throughout the document and suspension is in
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its place.
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Another source of issue was the sentence someone residing in or affixed to the front door.
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We were notifying people of any issues or complaints or violations. Some of the people don't always live at the VRBO, so we added
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a sentence. It is in the property owner's responsibility to ensure that their information and address on file at the county
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assessor's office is up to date and that we would send any violations to the assessment address on file at the assessor's office.
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So we would be making sure that we got it to where it needed to go so that the short term rental ordinance owners with no about
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the viol.
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Another point of contention was the failure to respond to an emergency penalties. The original ordinance that we put through had a
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one hour response time.
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The attorney and the short term rental ordinances brought up owners brought up that that was probably a little difficult for them
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to make. We agreed with them and the board challenge and we think that four hours, I know they talked to Adam Shepherd in the Esso
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and we've all felt that four hours would be a good melt. So the wording has changed to four hours for the amount of time that they
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have to respond to an emergency situation where the.
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Where there was a police or some kind of other emergency.
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Another big thing, so probably one of the greatest touching points was the occupancy limits. So.
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Part of my job as the health director is to make sure and enforce Title 36601, which is public health nuisances. Three of the.
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Of the statutes or the languages that I do in there under 36 six of one or #8 the maintenance of any overflowing septic tank
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cesspools and the contents of which #9 the pollution or contamination of any domestic waters and #16 hotels, tourist courts and
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any lodging establishment that are not kept in clean sanitary conditions. As we looked at those three, I look at what?
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Our wastewater division does for any kind of septic or accessible.
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And the rule that they use is 2 per room, which is why we went with an occupancy of two per household.
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Refuse.
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So when we were looking at that, we did agree with a lot of people on the things the intention of this isn't to do is to be
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punitive and we were looking at children 5 and under. When we talked to Jake Garrett and obviously the manager of our wastewater
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division, he agreed that those five and under the ways that they produce is negligible compared to those systems. We thought it
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would be beneficial to be able to say and we change the language in this.
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To add the sentence oxygen limits excluded children five years old and younger.
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To make it so that we weren't including your families doing lots of times those children stay in the same room where they bump
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together and we were trying to make sure that we accounted for that. So that's why the change is there.
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The last change that was discussed was the six of inner background checks.
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As a public safety measure, I certainly feel like this is something that we could have in the ordinance. I understand the limiting
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factors that make it possibly more complicated. So we did remove the language recommender or enforcing or requiring that to be
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part of there, but we did.
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But I did feel pretty good that we left that language in there and just we're strongly recommending that those background checks
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are still held and.
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At rest changes we have so far.
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Thank you, Josh. Supervisor Humphrey.
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I just like to say, you know, I understand that has an awful lot of time in preparing the first ordinances. And I just want to say
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thank you for listening to the public the last time and working with their people to work with some of these changes that they
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wanted to make. And so I appreciate all the staff time and energy and research.
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In in making some of these changes. So thank you.
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Supervisor Klein Josh thinks there's a lot to this. You know, not only from our angle, but also from our people's angle. So to
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start with a.
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Thanks for lowering that permit for you a little bit. It isn't much, but it's a little bit. It's a good start. So, so that's good.
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I want to go back to the response times like when you're notified does e-mail or phone calls, that is included in that as well.
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Where you see this one?
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Please be aware that that notification, that's from first responders. So it would be up to the sheriff that he's contacted someone
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and whether he needs someone on the site or whether he can deal with an e-mail or in person or whatever he needs. But it would be
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left up to the first responder of what he needs to be dealt with.
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So because of the fact that all their information will be posted right there closer, we'll have all their information and 1st
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responders could contact them by by phone or or e-mail or whatever. Yes, that what we're planning on doing is coming up with a
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list of all the short term rentals and supplying that to the Sheriff's Office so that they'll right now they don't know if it's
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when they show up at a house, whether it's a short term rental or not. So we will.
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Be providing them that information so that they would have all that contact information right there if they needed to get a hold
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of us. So Andy explain that to me because if you have let's just say first responder medical unit arrive at a house at midnight at
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night, we're not going to be around to provide that information. So how are they going to get it? Well, we're going to provide a
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head time. Hopefully, you know as we register everyone we will provide that list to the fire departments and the Sheriff's Office
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now I do not.
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Foresee that if someone.
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Has a stroke that they really need to get ahold of the owner of the property that they're going to deal with that person right
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then there. Now there's a party, someone pulled a gun. So they probably want to get the owner there and and find out who's
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responsible who rented the house, all those kind of things that they would they may need the owner for. I think that's when they
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would be called. I don't think it's mostly medical at this time.
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OK.
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I want to talk about occupancy limits. That's a big one.
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Umm, you know, back when we had our last work session after that, I was thinking a lot about that. And to me, basically, I don't
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care if somebody maxes out their home and blows out their septic system. We as a county are not going to replace that. That's on
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them. But they're stupid enough to do that. That's on them. But I learned a little bit more.
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The more I talk to people, the more I ask, there's places and I, I'm going to give you an example, and one of them is Christopher
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Creek.
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A lot of you may not know much about Christopher Creek, but the houses along Christopher Creek are just one after another. They're
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built right on the banks of the Creek. Actually, there's decks that go out over the Creek. A lot of them were on cesspools in the
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past.
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There's a lot of short term rentals in Christopher Creek, or maybe not a lot, but there's there's saying.
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Their biggest issue was, is they worked years trying to get a lot of these old homes up to snuff toward that Creek, would pass
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ADEQ standards and EPA regulations. And they've gotten there. They've they've, they were able to do that, you know, and so I'm
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talking to some of those folks there and I'm, you know, they're asking me about the short term rental stuff and how's it going
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where we're at? And I'm telling them and I'm telling them my thoughts and they're like.
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I Occupancy limits to us is important.
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Because if we have one or two of these homes blow out that blow out those systems again and contaminate that Creek, we're back at
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square one and not in a really good light with ADEQ and EPA.
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So there's there's other factors that I'm finding when it comes to occupancy. Now I've got your your paper on on those short term
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rentals that offer lots of people in, in those houses.
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Quite honestly, and they had to be stacked like cord wood to get them in there. But I want to go to another thing too. Last winter
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I spent a lot of time in Gilbert down there working that cutting horse shells and we stayed in short term rentals. That's where we
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stayed. There were six of us and we had to find a short term rental that was adequate and would hold six people.
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We had to shop for that. There's there's short term rentals that would hold two people, just a little casita on the side. There's
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other ones that would hold 3-4 people so it could get to six. We had to look for that five bedroom type place, six bedroom and.
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It was kind of amazing, you know, and all the time I'm thinking about this situation we're in as well.
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But I go back to that and I look at those places too, and I've had conversations with Bob Turner there a bunch about occupancy
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limits.
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You get a group of people say 6 people and they have kids, you know, they may be older than five years old, you know, and growing
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up as a kid, I know this for a fact. We all get it up and sleeping bag and stuff on the floors.
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And so I think there needs to be more in my opinion looked at on occupancy stuff. I'm not saying we should just open it up to, to
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whatever number, but I'm saying we're going to need to use our head and some common sense on trying to figure out just what would
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be an adequate number in these positions and in these places, you know. And so I wanted to throw that out there.
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Sex offenders.
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That was in the original one. That background check was only for the person that was was renting the short term rental. That's the
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only one that would be run through the process to see if there is sex offender or not.
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My personal opinions but I don't know in the short term rental if I did, I don't care. I've grown through the the check anyway.
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But that's me. But the people that come with that person that stay in that building, there is no sex offender checks on those
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people.
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Correct, correct. And so you know what, there again, it gets back to my personal opinion whether you do it, whether you don't,
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that's that's not a that to me is, is the owners responsibility. That's where it goes. And and I know that talking to these
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communities is really tight knit communities and that's where most of these these establishments are. They have concerns, you know
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about that.
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But like I've told them as well, I don't foresee.
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I, I would never really foresee a somebody that's a sex offender renting these places anyway. Really. I, I would expect somebody
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else to be renting it. Now who shows up to stay there for the weekend? I have no idea. Neither does GRBO or, or the rest of them,
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you know, So to have that put back on the shoulders of the owners. I agree with that. I agree with that. Decide if they want to do
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it and keeping us out of that, it's not our responsibility. It's not.
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Liability or any of that, but it would be the owner. So I I agree with that one. And like the permanent fee, like I said, I
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already appreciate you lowering that a little bit and see what we can work with now. Now when it comes to the permit fee, Josh.
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As we go along, once this thing all gets settled out, whenever that may be and once we get started, we're probably going to go
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back and and look at it, the ordinance again in six months, a year, whatever it is to see In which case we would know what this
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$225.00 fee is doing. Is it, is it capturing everything or are we good there or are we, are we charging too much and need to lower
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it more, something like that, correct, correct.
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OK.
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There was talk about the fines, the penalties in the first or the last work session we had and I noticed we you didn't touch any
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of that.
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Like I told Bob Turner the other day, I'm not going to weaken on the penalties.
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And I want everybody to understand my reasoning for that. The only reason we are doing this ordinance is to try and correct the
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issues we have with the people that are running amok on the short term rentals. That is the only reason. And to me if we if we're
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going to back those penalties off, we're not fixing a problem.
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You know, I can look at most people here today that's in this audience that has short term rentals, never, ever going to have a
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problem. Haven't had they're not going to have, you know, the ones that do, they're not here, they're not going to be here. And so
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my idea is that as long as we can leave those fees there to to help push these people into flying, right, That's what I'm about.
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And maybe I want, you know, on time when we get there, we can.
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Away with this ordinance, but so I appreciate you for not moving those fees.
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Because you've refused to work with us, not because you did something wrong. I appreciate that, Josh and Randy, for both of the
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idea. And that's where I feel on this, on this deal. Here it.
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You know, the bottom line is, is that fair? They've been running a good business and tending to the right. We don't have
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neighborhoods complaining we wouldn't be here today.
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And so thank you. That's all I had. Mr. OK, Thank you. I do want to thank staff and all of you for looking at everything that we
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talked about at the last work session and really taking a deep dive and making modifications as we requested one of them.
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Significant ones that supervisor client did mention was.
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The requirement for background check, turning more into a guideline for background check and putting the responsibility on the
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homeowner saying that if there is a problem, you should have done this background check, but we're not going to tell you.
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That you have to do it.
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It's highly recommended. OK, so that's one and.
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The septic system overload would occur or could be.
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Could happen at any level, whether it's a STR, whether it's just a regular family living there, you can overload your septic
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system. And so the occupancy thing we want to talk about because I do believe that that is one of the major reasons that we are
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establishing the ordinance is an occupancy problem on a few.
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And then also, is 2 per bedroom the right number? Is that too small?
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So the way the ordinance reads right now three six and says the occupancy is limited to two persons per legal bedroom and then you
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and then you go into the children under five, five years old or younger and.
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I talked to Michael about this this morning and I and I said, could that be more or less a guideline rather than a hard number, a
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guideline. We recommend this in the same way we're doing with several of the other things.
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Because it's a home or a septic or anything can handle six people in a 2 bedroom. They have a hide a bed in the living room or
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something like that. Could we issue it as a guideline and Michael said, well, we can take the whole thing out of there if you
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want. And I don't think that's the remedy to do that. So.
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I spoke with Randy yesterday about this and the thing that people need to understand is that the county official or the county
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employees are not going to be standing at the front door of the short term rentals.
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Counting people, making sure things happen, it's all going to be on a complete a complaint basis. And so if the neighbors say hey,
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they're a hooter and they're hollering, they're they're making a bunch of problems. You can do that with four people or you can do
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that with 14 people so.
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The noise or the problem?
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To me can be any amount of the safety of the occupants is important, so I know why we need to recommend a certain amount so.
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I don't know if we can do this as a recommendation or a guideline, but if we do, that allows some more flexibility with the folks
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that have an STR that have like a really large bedroom that they can put a couple boats in there and then maybe four people could
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let be in that, you know, so there's so many different variables. And we have said from the very beginning, we don't want to hurt
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this industry. That's not our point. We don't want to.
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Hurt it at all. It brings a great economy to heal a county.
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Now some of the advertisements that are in my packet here show 3 bedrooms, 12 people.
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4 bedrooms, 16 people, you know, and that's how they're advertising that. And there's one here that's 22 people or something.
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Seems like a lot. That's where the cord wood thing comes in.
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So I think that if a violation occurs, or let's say a problem occurs, then we can go back and say why was there 22 people in this
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home?
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And I also want to bring up two small things here. When we say someone overloads a cesspool or something, some of those houses
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cannot be having a regular septic system put back in there. And that's why we have some houses abandoned because their lots aren't
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big enough to fix it. So if you.
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Screw up a septic system, it's not just a matter of Oh well, we have some surfacing stuff that helped us to deal with it's that
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house can't be used anymore. And then also with the offset load. I would also say that this is built on safety. I mean, if you're
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in a bedroom that's one thing that's that the windows are a certain size to get a fireman in with the air pack on. It's not for us
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to get out, it's for them to get in and.
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Us out so when you start putting them in closets and you start putting them in rooms that are not legal bedrooms, that becomes a
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safety issue not only for the outfit and they may not even know it. I mean there's a bed here, there's a light there and it got a
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nice picture on it just looks like a nice bedroom.
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There's no way for them to get out and so this also becomes a safety issue.
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When we get there now.
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How many? There is a table in the building code that says and that and don't quote me on the number, but it's like 200 square foot
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of a bedroom equals a person. You know they do the same thing for a hospital and all that stuff. I.
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But most bedrooms aren't 400 square feet, you know, So, but we figure 2 for bed, I think. But I've also went on inspections where
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there's eight, I'm sorry, there's four bunk bed sets. So there's eight in like a 10 by 12 room. And if there's a fire there.
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It's pretty hairy trying to just see people walk out the front door. That doesn't happen a lot. People panic, especially if it's
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at 2:00 in the morning. That becomes a safety issue. So that's we looked at that stuff.
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And then also the 225, you know, I appreciate the reduction, but that's kind of the minimum I think that we feel that we can
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operate at right now to get started so.
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That's per listing.
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And say Verbo or Airbnb right per listing, correct?
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So let's say someone has a large home and they rent out bedrooms in that same home.
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To different people like say there's three bedrooms, there's three different listings, they would be charged three listings for
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the one structure, correct? We looked at that also is because if they were, if it's a bad one and they were to get suspended. But
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now if you went for address that whole thing all they lose all three.
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Rooms are all three.
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Resonances that they have on the site because they went under one and there's no way really for us to track that. When we go by
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listings, we can track this, you know, let's just say there's a shed down the street that they're trying to use and that's caused
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a lot of problems. Then we can we can deal with just that one and allow the property to keep.
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Other and honestly from my opinion too, when you're trying to calculate a budget for this, each listing, since the whole point of
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the fee is the administration of the short term rental ordinance and each listing adds administrative time. So it doesn't matter
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if there's, you know, seven and one or how you do it. If it's seven listings that increases the administrative burden and we're
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basing the entire fee off of the administrative burden on enforcement.
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OK, in a second, just to follow up then if a person then said I don't want to run my building as an STR, I'd rather do it as a
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B&B, okay. Does that fall under different ordinances? They have to live on the property, okay, and and that doesn't fall into this
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ordinance.
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State ordinance goes along with OK, so zoning and so that's an option. Yeah. OK. Supervisor Klein. Thank you, chair. So the
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scenario that you gave Randy, the other twist of that would be it would be a benefit. And for us, if you've got one owner that
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owns 2 short term rentals that are that he that are combined or whatever, he's only paying the one fee and he has an issue and
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there's a chance of shutting down both those rentals because of that.
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We only have one permit. He or she may be more willing to fall in line and runner run the right, right business, you know what I'm
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saying? And so I know in Pleasant Valley there we have an owner. So that has more than one short term rental on the property on
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the same property, not that they own three or four different.
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Parcels around young, but they have a parcel of land that has two rentals on it that's just used for example.
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And that to me was something that I felt at the time this was discussed in our last work session, was that okay? Then then they
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pay the two 250 back then or whatever it was and it'd be under the same one, same, same everything. So if they had a problem and
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one of those rentals and it led to the extent where they were shut down, both of those rentals would be shut down. I don't have a
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problem with that. And I'm going to tell you why is because that.
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To me makes you really stand up and say hey I'm gonna fly right. I don't want my room shut down. I'm going to do the right thing
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I'm going to run the right business. I'm not saying people and young are going to do that so you guys are young. Don't get me
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wrong. So but what I but see what I'm saying our whole goal is to make this handful of people fly right that aren't today and so
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and to me, if you have somebody in that scenario where they do have both of their.
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On the same parcel of property, yeah, pay the one fee. It's all under the same thing. Let's go on. I I think that's reasonable in
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my opinion. And so the I want to go back to the occupancy deal too. The one thing that we didn't talk about and, and this is the
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reason, a lot of the reason the occupancy number was brought up is the parking.
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In so many areas, in so many neighborhoods, the streets aren't very wide. The driveways aren't very wide. They're not very long,
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so there's not a lot of parking. And so people are parking in the street, bugging up the driveways, which is fine, but plugging up
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the streets is not fine when you can't get the Sheriff's Office or fire department down these roads. And that would have a lot to
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do with the occupancy, especially when you're looking at, let's just say, 15 people in one house.
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You know that there's going to be a few cars parked out there.
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And in these neighborhoods that I've seen, there's not enough room to park those cars. So they do park on the street. And I will
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tell you that in Gilbert, when I was down there, the, the six of us, we had three vehicles, 4 vehicles. They had to be parked in
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the driveway. Now, the residents didn't, they parked out on the street and on front of their house and things like that. But.
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The short term rentals that we stayed in, you parked in the driveway or in the garage, whichever it may be.
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But you did not park on the streets and part by parking on those streets. We've had those complaints from other neighbors already,
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but where they couldn't get out, when they're trying to come home after work on a Friday afternoon, they can't get to home because
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the streets are plugged in.
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And so I remember that discussion quite well when we talked about occupancy, that was part of that discussion.
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OK, bye.
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Yes.
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Supervisor Humphrey, do you have anything at this juncture?
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It's all been gone through, but I mean, you know, we, we can go over this a million times, but and, and I think that's great that
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they made you park in the driveway. So is that something we're going to put in the ordinance that they got to park in the driveway
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and can't park in the seat? You know, I mean, they do in Gilbert, AZ Yeah, right. And so I mean, we're, we're, we're, we're
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getting complaints of being too stringent already, but I think that's why it goes to the occupancy level.
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Is because if you have a lot of people, you're going to have a lot of cars. So if we do have an occupancy level, it'll cut down on
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the cars.
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That will accumulate in these rentals and so.
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And as far as the, the, you know, I mean, if somebody has five rentals, that's still 5 inspections, you know, that's still 5 that
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you have to categorize and, and take care of. So, you know, that's just kind of where I'm at on those. So I'm good, Mr. Chair. OK,
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thank you.
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Do you have anyone to present at this moment?
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OK. So what I'd like to do then is we have someone that wish to speak from the public on this matter, if it's all right. I'll
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start in Payson. We have Gene.
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Zaring.
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During.
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If you would please come to the microphone.
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
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Can you hear me? Hello. Yeah, just speak up.
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I can speak now, but I don't need nothing.
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Just working. Yes. OK. Thank you.
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President of King County and my concern is that.
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We have a 40 acre community with 6000, so about 2 1/2.
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Briefly in 2008 my cabinet was built and I understood what it was like to live in the mountains up here and have been doing all of
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that. Several years later more homes would be built and there's only one home out of these six that is short term left.
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So I'm just gonna speak directly from my perspective of inner property owner or anything like peace and quiet, my employment,
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Skype talk about.
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And that's one concern I have this time they're having six vehicles at a time that comes, you got 12 adults and then I get a head
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count of 2025 hits that come out. Now this house obviously is not big enough or how is that many people with legal beds brought up
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these beds. So what I saw that they would bring in their.
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Obviously they're sleeping on the floor.
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But with that kind of people for a weekend, but that's not disturbed my piece because now you have all those people that are
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making noise throughout the night. They bring great TV's in and because it's again, small areas of Lakers are driving up and down
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East Road making a lot of money.
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They also practical pets dogs.
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You know that's working for Dodge these ones and when they have 3-4 dollars and then come to the families and it's not her and I'm
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unfamiliar location. They're still protecting their family, their loved ones. So then a homeowner is traveling to a problem
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easement throughout these Dodge department produce never going to attack. But what I have to do was I had to construct.
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On the wall, or I should say a fence all the way around my Sheepbridge profits because.
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Come up with kids or not, don't supervise.
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They come up from the valley, they come up there and all they want to do is explore, run around. I'm I'm OK with this, but I'm not
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OK is that they do not respect private property in my life. The Dodge movement wherever they want to run because they're not on
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the leash. They do not have adult supervision watching these dogs. So with the combination of all of those lack of library and.
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The short term will be don't care.
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You know.
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There and it's obvious that's been going on since 2010. So today I'm here to talk about the issues that need to be addressed in
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the ordinance. You have barking dogs, you have loose dogs, you have people that don't pay the property lines. Everybody knows what
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your property line is and if the short term rental allows people.
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To just do whatever they want to make them up.
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There's no regard for other people's rights on the property rights. So one of the things I'm wondering, I guess just go to set
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sound off with this. I don't know the weekend and I would like that they have importance for noise pollution and at 9:00 at night,
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you cannot be out on the deck of your short term money and make noise.
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Heather disturbing the peace of others. I haven't heard anything about the place curfew and I believe that the workers have to
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address the parties have any noise beyond.
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Be probably a reasonable level.
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Weeks ago we were up at the cabinet with other friends and 9:00 at night. The short term rental was the same on their project.
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Labor White House over here and we have closed our slightly lecture. We could hear people singing after 9:00 PM.
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At the noise level, we shouldn't have to put up with that. I went outside where I made sure it was that house that would have a
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national force behind me. I had no neighbors to the east of me. I have no neighbors to build the South. Actually, you have a house
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right next to me on the West side, and that's where it goes.
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The other part is that the end of May was on the phone in and Freddie because earlier in January of 2024, I was on the public
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supervisor client and we were talking about the short term agreement and provide a client support team that they probably would go
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into effect in May of 2024. However, when it did not that's when I called.
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Right, because that's my.
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2530 people came up to this level when I was on the phone. Chairman, my apologies for interrupting. I have a Sir, My apologies for
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interrupting me. Hang on, Chairman, are we limiting the public comments to 3 minutes?
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I was not planning on doing that, but I will recommend that we shorten.
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Shorten it during the call to the public. We normally do 3 minutes.
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And we have a lot of people that want to speak this morning. So I would I would like to encourage everyone to keep the comments
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very specific and pointed and short if possible.
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What community did you say you lived in?
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I'm sorry, This town system, Yeah.
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And I don't know.
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Is there a way you can wrap it up?
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So I suppose.
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He was supervisor will somehow create an ordinance instead.
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People have to sign or notify all the fans that are in the short term around if they would say in the list of requirements that
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weathers cannot let go to one is important if the westerners.
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Hear that it is against you having ordinance that have orphans on it if.
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What's the prices in the list of what the prices have to do is that they can actually not within 1/4 miles of getting all occupied
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or not?
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They don't realize where they don't come up.
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The noise of me somewhere along the way, there has to be freedom for granted to come up and enjoy the peace of life. However, they
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can't do that. Toothpaste has to refer or either has to be a noise ordinance. And then the second thing is there has to be a
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curse. You know when stops and it does not.
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Interfere with my sleep cycle or just the fact that I want to have my friend?
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In my own and I don't have to hear the noise, TV's people laughing, OK?
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The other thing is.
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This.
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Excuse me, Sir, Excuse me.
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Excuse me?
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I think you've made your point and so.
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Supervisors can jump in at any time if they want to make a comment, but I'm going to have to keep the meeting moving. I appreciate
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your comments.
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We have the Menards and Mrs. Mr. and Mrs. Menards from the patient area.
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Please try and be brief and concise.
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Bad actors.
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Residential ambulance so she never happened because Aluma is happening now we have to build them so we do I'd like to see
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something and really all these regulated controls are not being changed that we want when this gentleman starting to talk to you
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for example, engineers, but.
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Anybody argue about solution for problem if these houses were ID numbers?
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And so with that, we can report to a website you can have some county would have a graduate of when it happened, what's going on
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and they have a beach BBQ. We also know who's also what I'd like to see is a lot of services, the property managers on tech 24/7
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app property and we can be able to either call them.
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Send text message or reach them 3:00 and they will deal with those problems.
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So we're not dealing with and then we take the load.
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We don't need these guys.
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Serious things going on, but if the property managers would police their property, property, and I'll tell you this, there are
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some good ones out there are some good ones of managing spaces. The other thing goes back Oculus.
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It's common sense drama. When we build the house you guys require, we have to look at all these things. What's the legal benefit?
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How many people can be come on, 1520 Thirty people and I understand 11 issue, but when we have trash, when there's a fire,
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something goes on. 15 people are trying to scramble off the kids. We got our first responders coming in.
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Bad things happen, it's not good and we may have a local point. I don't want to land on the homeowners you're going to be seeing
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no matter what.
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Because you're responsible. So we need to look at what's what's nonsense. If you got a if you got a three bedroom hall, you know,
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generally two people each bedroom. All right, So big bedroom, 81 model. We've got like a pilot.
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And you got lining up for me, people.
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The other players down from us, another individual down there about just a few weeks ago, how did they come in and stopping $20
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off we can have like 2 acre and one acre parcel. They have done some of those they were set up and this is and this one here that
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actually for ancient number one, we we see this over and over we need to control.
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That occupancy, that solution on the 12th, OK.
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And how many doesn't have time? We got the resources that, you know, you can have those enforcers. You can't do that either. So
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who's going to be able to do this real time and control the problem?
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Contact them and they have what you guys do. You get a good contract in place. You tell them, I call you once you fly it down
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right now twice you're on. OK, I I think we got the message. Thank you. I think, I think we got the message, missus.
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Mentors, are you going to add to that?
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But first of all, I want to thank all of you for all working to getting an ordinance together. I would really like to be able to
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see it be enforced. Randy and Kim have been awesome. They tell us both sides of the story. Supervisor Klein tells all kinds of
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stories we understand.
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But at the same time.
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It kind of sort of feels that time.
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These are homeowners are the ones who are being discriminated against because we have to follow all of the ordinances.
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But when the short term rentals, you give them an inch, they take a mile.
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And that's what we can be time and time again now we fail to occupancy, but now we're going to say we have permanent full time
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residents who are in the county taxpayers.
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Now our quiet, our colleges is disrupted and because we're going to let the corporations and investment lists that turn private
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remedies into money making places change our entire environment. And so this is an issue and it's the occupancy many times.
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We have no water at our home because we have all of these houses filled with people that are using our resources. Our landfills
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are filling up. Our Durado Rd. It gets graded once in a while and then all of the ranges come up to Title 5.
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OK, So there's a lot of issues. I really appreciate your effort in getting it done and I really hope you will consider the
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homeowners and not just giving the business people that are coming into our neighborhood all the advantages think of us. Thank you
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so much. I really appreciate your help. Thank you for those comments. Frank Church. Frank Church.
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Please be brief.
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I won't take a lot of time. I just want to be able to reach sort of points. Every people buy them #1.
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We made a long term.
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Well, we can make a call back.
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Real time.
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There's 3 burnouts.
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And there's local numbers.
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I am sure.
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They do their visions.
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I understand. A couple weeks ago, first time I figured it out. Thank you are returning to the owners of Cerebral.
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Patients.
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Dirt bikes, they are the most important phase.
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Advance breaking dust, making noise and he come and again that's better occupation complicated. One young man he said I'm the
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national board like people have unlocked it. So that's the attitude of people and that's why this situation.
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Basically the abduction.
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Thank you.
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Here we don't have anybody on the Internet, do we? Thank God.
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Adam Adam Ball.
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I feel like brevity will help me out today, so I'll try my best to be great.
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First of all.
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I work with cities all across the Valley. I'm only here on behalf of myself, but I've collaborated with a lot of jurisdictions
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since they've adopted ordinances. I'm very grateful for the consideration they've put into this effort.
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The change in the four hours response time is very appreciative. I'm thankful for that.
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It's an hour and a half for me to come up and then I want to respond. I will respond for hours. Gives me the grace to respond
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properly.
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A couple of things that stand out to me I think would be helpful to understand and appreciate UMM.
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Number one.
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I agree with you, supposed to client about the penalty. The penalties is.
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It's a stick that makes you comply.
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But I think there should be a warning before you just jump to the $500 and I think that's what was missing from this. Don't
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disagree with the first pounding feet, the second and third. I think a a generous or a courtesy of a wine the first time would
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probably be the first step. Sometimes we need to understand better before we fully can appreciate the necessity of it.
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That's so Adam, hang on a minute. So you referred to that when you were at the podium, Josh, you know, we don't just run in there
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the first thing with a big stick and and slap penalties on people or anything like that. Matter of fact, I think remember you
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Randy, who was I talking to you? But there is kind of a grace period in this anyway, correct?
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No, there's not.
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I guess the first thing is staff does not issue these fines.
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These are going to a hearing officer or the courts. So you've been told before you show up a court while you're going there and
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what has happened? So this is not Randy decided Adam needed $1000 fine. This is Randy has talked to them told them hey you got an
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issue. They ignored us. We send them to hearing officer and hearing officer issues. But OK, so right there. But what do you mean
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by ignored you like if you told them we have an issue with.
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Problem and and then they just fail to respond to us. Didn't we have people?
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We have people do it all the time that they just ignore us and don't want to correct it, don't think it needs to be corrected. And
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so at some point we we issue an MLB or however this will go forward and don't go to a hearing officer and they'll explain to the
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hearing officer why they don't think it needs to be corrected or or OK so like that's point. Is there some way, because I believe
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everybody needs a chance to correct whatever it is they.
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Wrong some people may just stuck their toe and do it not even knowingly knowing that they did it so you know that's where I'm
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coming from I I think that that folks whether it's 30 days, 60 days, whatever it is within raising has a chance to correct that
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that's something that I would like to see after that no send them to the hearing officer but.
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Is there a way of adding something like that in this ordinance that would would.
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Give us a chance to calm some fears. Let's just say. Jessica. Yes, Chairman.
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We can still modify the ordinance today is just a work session. There will be an action item to adopt the modifications, but we
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we're still in the drafting or I should say revising the phase. So yes, we could add that in there if the.
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Board would like staff to work on that. Thanks guys. Thanks, Adam. The only thing I know is just a language in the ordinance, so.
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It's comforting me to hear that there's I think a willingness to work here, but that's just not what the language says. So in 3.8
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when it, when you issue a violation of of a $500, that's a good spot to insert an opportunity to maybe upon notice security effect
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before you jump, right. So if that's the understanding, let's just write into the narrative. Speed limit 65 miles an hour. The
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officer doesn't stop you and say this is your first warning and get three more warnings before you get a ticket.
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If you're doing 65 miles an hour, you get a ticket.
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Well, I guess if the staff makes the comment, I think it's better to have the comment written into the record so it's not.
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But the state of Arizona doesn't offer that in their records over a citation from a DPS officer. You have to have rules and you
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you have to have limits. And people have to understand those limits. And if they work with it and understand, cool. I mean, he was
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on the way to the hospital. The officer let him off. That's between the officer and what he turns in as far as the ticket goes.
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Same as this, if you're in violation, it's up to the hearing officer.
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Not me, not supervisors, I'm not Supervisor Christianson of the penalty of the violation. That's up to a subcontracted hearing
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officer that is subcontracted to Healer County or hearing violations within Hilo County. I know, I know this is great. It's just
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different for your staff, just said.
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So if your staff is going to say that, why don't we have the ordinance? Reflect what?
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I I don't care to argue anymore, Mr. Chair, Thank you. So I guess as I move forward to this many points.
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I've owned my property has been vacational for five years. I just pumped my subject for the very first time.
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Which is a normal actually rhythm of pumping and cleaning your septic. And I'm one of those properties that has many guests, but
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on the weekend, not during the week. And so when I think through like the necessity of of solid waste, I can still be a place that
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is an example of could operator with many people and still only pumping at the same rhythm of paces a full time resident. There's
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a part in the ordinance and I think needs to be addressed a little bit further and it's the violation exists when there's a
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emergency.
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Call for emergency response.
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Here are some scenarios that I don't think should result in a violation, but could result in emergency response. It was referred
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to an example of a stroke.
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I walked out. In my case, my nephew was at our property and proxy was a whip in the front yard and my neighbor decided to pull on
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a rifle and a flak jacket.
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These are not, for example, one of the things that.
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That concerns me is.
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The.
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The.
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Let me see this.
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The response in person, I thought I heard Mr. Plummer say that they respond. Officer could maybe call that person, tell me you
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don't need to come. I would love that personally, but that's not what your code says. Code says you have to respond in person, so.
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I would love to remove the arbitrariness so I know precisely how I'm going to follow the rules.
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So not everybody, what you see on the ad is exactly what you think it is and my property is validly permitted with that it has. So
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I just I would encourage if it's possible that on the next round whatever direction you provide a staff.
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Maybe add one more suggestion that they work with Bob and I on the next version of draft because I think by time it comes next
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year, I hope it's a consent item agenda because everyone's kind of found some harmony here. And I think I can collectively help
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move this better in the spot and more point understand the positions they're coming from to help communicate that the rest of our
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to chill out a little bit.
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So thank you for your time. I'm only speaking on behalf of myself, but I know there's a lot of folks who look to me and I just
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want to be able to be a helpful communicator across both sides of the aisle.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Adam.
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Josh.
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So I wanted to address something supervisor client said earlier. I think it will help the board members as we listen to the rest
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of the comments. And that's, you know, one of the things that we saw in the way the state attorney general ruled this is and this
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is for those opposed in against is that, you know, if we make rules in the ordinance, they have to be grounded in some kind of
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public health and public safety theory. That is the things that allow us. So you know, as much as some of these things like they
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had mentioned.
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We've got some complaints about lighting and too much light pollution.
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Barking dogs and dogs aloof, which are already part of the animal control ordinances, issues with parking, which aren't a public
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health thing. I can't, you know, And then I was thinking, just so the board's aware, you know, part of the reason I went where I
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would with occupancy is because if I'm going to use any kind of public health authority to have any kind of occupancy limit, then
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they have to have something that's grounded in some sort of evidence base, which is what we get from ADQ when we look at how we
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evaluate.
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Rooms for bedroom and occupancy for accessible or wastewater system for those occupancy limits. So my concern and and something
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I'd like for the board to think about is to hear the rest of the comments is, is that.
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I think it'd be difficult for me to say no. I can recommend for the same reason as the client. This is becoming the health officer
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and we had the Houston Mesa Creek spill up there. We, we've seen that I'm working on the Arizona whiffle wastewater thing to look
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at the cesspool replacements and there's over 7500 cesspools in the county. You know, so as a, as a health officer, regardless of
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my feelings or anything, you know, I know that when we had the presentation where, you know, 75% of our water in the county is
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groundwater that comes from.
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Surface waters.
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Think about whether you want to hold that authority for the evidence that I have or whether we just remove that because adding any
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different occupancy. I don't know how I would get there with what I have available and declare that there be an evidence based
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number that I would give if I said it was three or four or anything else, if that makes sense. I just want to throw that out there
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as we're going towards redirecting that that that two number I can use because ADQ allows that and it gives me that so.
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And say that's why I make it too. Outside of that, anything above that, I don't think through my statutes or anything that I would
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have any evidence to say 3456. I think that then we would be looking at let's remove that occupancy limit and not put that in
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there. That makes sense. So what you're saying, Josh, that would go against the attorney General's.
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I will thank you response.
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I guess, my master, we can't just come up with an arbitrary number, Jessica.
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Chairman, just to clarify, the Attorney General's response is just a response. It's not a binding decision as if it were a court
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decision. It's basically the Attorney General's office looking at everything.
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Saying in our opinion, this is what we feel the law is and it hasn't reached the courts yet. So I just wanted to clarify that
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point. As far as the limit, I believe what Josh is saying is that he could not give a recommendation to have the occupancy.
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Be beyond the number 2, is that correct? 2, two people per bedroom. So I believe what he's saying is he's not comfortable making
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that recommendation to the board because it's not within the research that he's done to say, yeah, OK, you can have three people
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in each bedroom. He's saying it goes against his research to have more people in there. So what his recommendation is, let's go
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ahead and just strike it all together.
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Because we're not in the position to say we're going to allow you to have three people per room.
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Wow, Josh.
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And she dig in and another bag of chips and see what you got.
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I think it very seriously that, you know, that they give public health this ability to do that, and I don't have.
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I would be making up numbers for the board.
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To do that.
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You stay there a minute, you know, you know, but say, say if we struck the occupancy number, okay, like I said to begin with that
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that was finally, but there's other issues associated with those numbers, whether it's parking, whether it's water quality in
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these areas that are on these creeks.
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Whether it's traffic, you know, there's, there's these other factors alone with that as well.
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It's not just a matter of overloading the septic system or whatever.
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And so I think that's that's the hang up with me, Jessica, you know, like Adam said, if he puts 16 people in a four bedroom house,
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that's his house. But.
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If he was doing that and plugging up the streets and tearing up the neighborhood roads and everything else, that's not cool. But
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that does in in a, in a, in a big sense goes back to those property owners.
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It goes back to Adam to where the neighbors should be knocking on his door and saying enough dude.
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You know, the problem is we don't, we have work, we have people that don't expect that as well either. You know, Adam May, he can
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put his thumb on it and restrict it and tighten it up, but there's other people that may just blow you off. We end up in a fight
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in the yard. So, you know, that's that's the issue we have when it comes to numbers, occupancy.
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It's my two cents worth.
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Hey, Mark. Thank you.
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Robert Turner.
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Hello. Hi, I'd like to also thank the board for giving us this opportunity again to go over this and for the work that you guys
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have done and and change some of the things that we thought would be good changes. I want to touch and I'm not picking on somebody
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because they sound like they're against stores, but I think it's I don't know if they've read this ordinance and there's things in
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this ordinance that we've all agreed on that we go and we tell our neighbor, hey, we're going to have STR this is our.
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Information and they're going to be provided with that and though they will be able to contact the owners and I think that's a
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very important thing.
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One of the questions I had and hasn't been covered yet, Have we ever determined how many stores there are in unincorporated
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Gigantic?
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Officially, no. We've contacted third party vendors and they've given us rough numbers, but they kind of vary all over the place.
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So we're basing it on the lower number. When we came up to the dollar amount, we're basing it on the lower number.
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What's happening?
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Have that on me. I think it's 800, but I don't quote me on anything about that I'm.
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Obviously, the reason I asked that is because we had talked about the 1st work session about determining that to determine what
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the, the, the fee would be for the application. I think that I agree with the occupancy, occupancy issue. I think that, that that
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is a big topic here. And I, I know there's concerns about parking and everything like that, but we still.
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We have to remember with occupancy and a lot of these rules and everything, we still have to apply it equally to a private
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residence, a long term rental and everything else.
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I know the AG's office says that you can't have this ordinance for health and safety, but those health and safety laws still occur
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to those other type of properties, so it still has to be treated fairly across the board.
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One of those things I wanted to ask or talk to you about was the the application and what's required in that. And I'm assuming the
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county is eventually going to send out an application to standardize things to fill out and everything. I would also think it
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would be a good idea because the ordinance once says the post.
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The rules and everything or the?
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The basis of the ordinance on each door and everything, and I think that should be provided to every owner included in the $225
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and then that way we can make photocopies, laminate and put it up.
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As far as, and I'm not picking on the STR, the people that don't like this stuff. Also I wanted to talk about the dogs and the
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noise and etcetera. I still have not been able to find any type of helicopter noise ordinance or party ordinance or anything like
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that.
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Been a lot talked about.
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The I agreed with Adam as far as the the emergency response that that.
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You know, it's a discretion of law enforcement. If they need to get ahold of you, the fire department, they need to get ahold of
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owner. You know that 4 hour thing there?
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Let me just check a couple notes, make sure I got everything.
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I was, I was happy and I appreciate the the sex offender, you know, putting that on the back of the owner if they wanted to do
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that or not.
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And then one of the, one of the comments Supervisor Humphrey made, I just want to, I, there was a lot of rumbling when you said
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inspection. And I think he would, you were referring to the actual application process, you know, getting the permit. It wasn't
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that they were, you were saying they're going to go out and do an inspection. And a lot of people I think is kind of misunderstood
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what he was talking about.
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I think that's it.
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I think that's it for now. If I have anything else I'll raise my hand.
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Thank you, Mr. Turner. Kelly Parks.
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All right. So, Chairman, thank you so much. Board of Supervisors, appreciate your time. First of all, I just want to say thank you
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for reconsidering the ordinance and the work sessions that you've had. So that shows that you are actually trying to listen to the
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people and I really, really appreciate that also today just seeing that.
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You're listening and considering different options of changes that are even still.
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On the on books to try to vote on that. So I appreciate that.
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What was a little disappointing just now was just finding out that.
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Gathering the data for the Airbnbs like how many there are.
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Inhale accounting, I think is such important information for Haile County to know before you're going to vote on an ordinance.
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It's important like, how many are there? There's a phone call. Just make a phone call to the corporation, Airbnb.
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But I wanted to share some information because.
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Because I didn't want to cover what everyone else was going to cover today.
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And this is something that I wanted to be on the public record.
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Because.
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Arab and this is data from Airbnb. OK, They say that 90% of Airbnb owners have one home.
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OK, that they're, so there's, there's a narrative that's out there that says, you know, the corporations and the investors are
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coming and buying up homes in Hilah County and they're taking up all this housing.
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So what's actually happening from Airbnb? This is their they would know. This is their business. Less than 1% of housing stock in
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Healing County is Airbnb less than 1%.
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So the Airbnb people owners are not causing housing crisis in Hayward County. That is not happening based on the numbers.
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And this narrative is being repeated over and over and over again. And so I'm here to correct the record. This is from Airbnb. You
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can call them yourself.
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I would say Biden on it is causing the housing crisis, all right. That is a problem which you can't solve, but you know, it is
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what it is.
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You guys are spending a lot of money on Discover Hue accounting, which is awesome. We appreciate it because you're bringing
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tourism to the county, you're bringing economy, you're building the economy, bringing jobs, so all these things are great.
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But and then as as short term rental owners, we feel like we're being punished, you know, we're, we're lodging the tourism, yet
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we're being punished in some ways. So This is why I do appreciate all the considerations, all of the reconsiderations that you're
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making. It does make a difference and I do appreciate that.
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So those are all my comments.
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Thank you so much.
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Hang on a minute, Kelly. So we don't know if the exact, the exact amount of short term rentals.
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I believe, like you said, you can go through Airbnb, VRBO and start getting some numbers, but my question is, is what's the
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percentage of people that rent their places without going through a platform? There's always that angle.
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The other thing I would say is that.
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I've never once said that that umm.
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Well, to back up a little bit, I just recently, yesterday had a meeting with the Sheriff's Office.
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Deputies cannot find places like Inpatient to rent to live.
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You know they cannot do that.
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You know, not on their wages at least. You know, when I, when I look around and young where we're both from, very, very few long
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term rentals, very few.
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When I look at these other places, it seems to be the same thing. That's fine if people want to have the short term rentals and
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everything. I'm not opposed to short term rentals. Never have been opposed to short term rentals.
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And to solve a housing crisis is is more than us as a county will. Whatever be expected to do, we can't do that. We're not going
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to solve it.
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You know it's gonna run its course and so.
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I think and for sure that.
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When you mentioned corporations buying up homes, there are corporations buying up homes scattered about and all it all in one
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neighborhood or one city, not even all in one state, but there are corporations that do look for those opportunities. It's a money
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making proposition. You know, you buy the place, you rent it, you want out of it, you sell it and you make a few more dollars off
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the property you just sold because of the current market.
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And so it's a no brainer. I mean, that's where they need to be if they're going to make money.
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So there's a lot of different aspects, the short term rentals that nobody here in this room really knows yet.
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That's the way I see it. And I also think that by going with an ordinance like this and we do start licensing short term rentals,
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we're going to start building that base on actually how many there are out there.
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It may take three years to get it done, but pretty soon we're going to know or have a better number of knowing what's out there.
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See, we're not going to have anything to do with like the town of Patient. They have their own short term rentals.
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Ordinance. They do their own things. This is for unincorporated areas. It's not just county wide.
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Corner to corner. And so when it comes to the towns like Basin Globe.
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Winkelman, Hayden, some of these areas like that, they have their own.
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Own process, their own ordinances that they work with. Now we can work with that and give them their numbers, but but it's going
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to take a while to get get the numbers down. It really is when Randy throws out a number like 800 or whatever, that's even less
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than what originally I thought. I thought it was 1000 N of 1000, but who knows.
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You know, would you like me to tell you how many? I I'm a community leader for Airbnb. I could, you don't have to wait three
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years. I could let you know I know you're going to 3rd party.
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You know, people to get your, your data and I, I was just thinking, let's cut to the chase. Let's get the real numbers. So you're
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here right now. So Airbnb, you've got numbers on Airbnb, right? I don't have them right now. No, no, that's OK. I am in
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communication. I'm an owner and they will give me that information. But but what I'm saying is that's Airbnb, right? That's not
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VRBO, that's not.
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Private.
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Rentals.
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You know, a lot of people get hung up on, you know, Airbnb, VRBO, which I think Bob, you guys go through that, don't you? A
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platform, A lot of people do and I see the reason why they do it. I get that. But there is a lot of them that do not.
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They do their own deal and most of them I will say are the ones that live right there close to their rentals. They're right there
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in the same neighborhoods. But anyway, I'm sure these guys would like to know numbers eventually. Here comes Michael right behind
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you. Yeah, thank you just for this conversation. And and I know Randy said 800. I think I think we forgot since the last meeting
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we did, you know, contact a third party company that cuts across all platforms at one point in time. There's a thousand 1100.
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Possible stores being being talked about and discussed.
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Those are listings. So the third party company that we discussed this with and got the data from said those are listings. You have
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multiple listings. You can have one home that's on VRBO and one home that's on Airbnb. So the 1100 that home account is 2. The
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real number is close to 500 in unincorporated Healer County. That's what we based the, the, the, you know, the permit fee 225 or
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$250 on. So it is around 500.
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Individual VRBOS. Airbnbs.
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Facebook, it cuts across all the platforms that you list the the short term rentals on. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Yeah, most
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of us do Airbnb verbal. I mean, I haven't met very many people that don't do both, you know, so that's why I'd be that low number.
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But I mean, I don't really know. Just just curious in young specifically, I mean, how many jobs are there available for people to
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come beyond?
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To want to get a rental, you know, and so I'd have that kind of question like, because I don't think there's a lot of jobs
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available in young for rentals to want to come to young. So what, what they do come to young for is short term rentals because
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they're trying to get out of the valley and, you know, you live there. So, but no, I, I again, I appreciate, I really, really,
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honestly do appreciate all of the, the time that you spent and, and the administration. So thank you, thank you, thank you.
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So we have, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I do have one more thing to say. We'll come up. Things come up.
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We had talked about this as the last work section. I know I talked to you 2 gentlemen about it the other day. There was the
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conversation over the TP and there's a gal that has the TP and young and there's a couple people have the touch shed type of mini
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building and Mr. O'Driscoll and Mr. Plummer said that they were going to take that in consideration and look into that.
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And see if they could come up with something, you know, to cover those, to make them still be rentable. The only thing I could
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find in the ordinance still is that it has to be a, a permanent structure. Are we going to address that still?
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So we talked with supervisors. It still does have to be a permanent structure. They can work on getting the TP permitted and
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there's going to be some hoops to jump through to get to that. But they can get that TV permitted. They can.
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Tough Shed says they don't want any of their.
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Products used for living in, they have one that's designed, that's a true story, that's designed for residential. That's what they
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want people to live in. They really don't want them in the utility.
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Shed which is you occupancy and so they still have to be permitted structures, but they can get there just got to go through some
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process to get there to make sure it needs code and egress and and emergency response stuff. So if if let's take for instance
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Janine that has a TV, she needs to get with you guys to find out what she needs to do to do that. OK all right, all right, thank
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you. I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you, Mr. Chair, back and up just for clarity.
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The comment was made that Airbnbs are not.
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They're responsible for the housing shortage in Hilo County. I don't know that they've ever been.
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Said to be responsible for the shortage of housing in Elena County. I think at our last meeting I believe it was maybe Sedona to
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wear a board pass that if you have a job you can live in the park in your car because of the shortage of housing. I never said
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that Airbnbs were responsible for shortage of housing in Halo County.
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But there are communities where it has caused a major issue, and I would not like to see that in Hill County. But I'm not blaming
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it for Hayley County. Thank you.
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Yes, we have been accused. The board has been accused because I've heard it that the only reason we're doing this is to eliminate,
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eliminate stores and go back to long term routes. And that's not my motivation at all. I don't believe this is the board's
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motivation at all. My concern from the beginning has always been those that live in the neighborhoods that are impacted negatively
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over this, this type of business that's in the neighborhood.
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And that's really my only motivation. So we have Vincent, Cindy Hudson with us from Pine.
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You both want to speak one speak.
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OK. Please come up, Cindy.
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First of all, yes, I want to thank you all for being gracious and listening to We the People because we do deserve a safe. I want
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to remind you that short term rental owners are also property owners. I've heard a lot of talk about the property owners being
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affected negatively. And yes, there are some bad apples out there and they need to be curtailed and hopefully getting this
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ordinance right will do that. But please.
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When we get this ordinance right, let's remember that we are also property owners.
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And I would hope that you we would have equal consideration.
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Not just listen to the ones that are loud and boisterous. And with that, I've been there myself that time. OK, so.
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The main thing I want to talk about though is this paper listing. Okay, let me give you an example.
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Our short term rental is one building, one house that has four separate units in it. They all have separate entrance. They all are
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a bedroom and a bath. We house two people in those units.
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OK, according to this.
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Paper listing.
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We would have to pay this fee four times. Now I also list, I list on Airbnb and I list on verbal and I list on Google. And I think
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all of a certain renters don't only list on one platform. You know, that's, that's economics. You get your name up. So now not
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only do I have to pay floor fees, you have to times out by three because I have listings on all three sites. So that's 12.
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So now according to the language in this document, I would have to pay 12 fees.
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It makes more sense to me to have you pay the fee per building.
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I mean, if someone has a short term rental, you know. So Cindy, I got a question for you because, you know, I brought that up a
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while ago. So you and Vance personally, do you have a fear that if for some reason something went awry in one of your rooms in
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your house, that you would be shut down for the remain for the whole deal till it was figured out?
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The way this is written, that would happen the way the orange is written. So I'm just saying, like Adam said in a left skip.
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Clarified in writing. That's the difference though. If you paid separately for every room that you rented out, or if you paid
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separately for every room rented out, you had an issue with one instance, whatever that may be. I don't know, I'm just using it as
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an example. That one would be shut down, but you'd still be able to operate the other ones.
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That's the difference. If you had it all under one fee for $225.00, do you operate like you've been doing and you had an instance
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in there and you would basically be shut down until it was all resolved? Does that worry you?
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I live on the property. I do things right. No, that's what I was getting. Should I be penalized to have to pay 12 fees because I'm
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doing things right? You got 12 rooms in there? No, no, I just said there's four rooms. Mr. Chair, I believe that the deputy county
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manager is standing behind you to respond.
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Two year persistence on 12 feet. Yeah. So just for clarification, it's not, it's so if you have a home and you have 4 bedrooms and
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a home, 3 bedrooms and a home if you list each home individually.
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In VRBO, in Airbnb, that's an individual permit, so that would be 4 permits. It's not based on the number of listings across the
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platforms. It wouldn't be you have 3 bedrooms and your advertising them on four different platforms, so 12 fees. It is the
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individual rooms if you're renting them separately a separate businesses.
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Each one requires a permit. OK, so for certification, if the Hudson's said we, we have.
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Availability, this is the price they they would pay one fee and then they would fill the four routes. But if they alternatively
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said, oh, we have the we have the Renaissance room or we have the hunter room or we have the uh.
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You know, wedding venue, room or whatever. Those become separate then as separate listings. That is correct. If you're listing
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each individual room separately as an individual business on Airbnb or VRBO, then they would be considered individual permitted.
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Short term rentals, but if you have a three bedroom home and you're renting and you're just listing it as one house, one permit.
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OK. And you can rent that up to three times. Does that help you understand?
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Where we're at, where you're at, I have, I have a one, I have one house that has four separate bedrooms that are individual units.
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It's not like not a house with four bedroom where there's, you know, everybody has the whole house.
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You can.
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You can rent this, you can rent room ABCD separately, not together. There is no, there's just abandoned, abandoned. There's no
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kitchen. What Michael is saying that is if you do not list ABC and D separately, but you have someone called, you have
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availability, I can put you in unit C, That's that's one listing, not 4.
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But if you start turning those four bedrooms into.
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A separate business function listed separately because of the uniqueness.
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Then you're subject to four rentals.
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It's one business, It's Beeline Guest House. I have Sweetheart. If you have a mall and you have four different stores in that
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mall, do you think each one of those stores should have a permit or do you think that covers all of them?
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I think in this case there will be the inspector will come out to one building and inspect because it's one.
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Utility system, it's one, you know, heating and cooling, it's one water, it's one septic. They're connected. It's one building.
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They're all connected. They're not four separate little buildings.
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That should be one permit. I mean, if we're talking about.
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The effective use of the money that we're paying and we have to cover the cost that the county is going to incur sending someone
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out to inspect or to even set up for the initial permit, that should be one fee, not per listing.
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I do list them as the Ponderosa Room, as the Pine Room, as the Oak Room. They're listed separately, but they're all one building.
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They're all one short term rental.
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When fee infrastructure perfect.
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OK, my paper building 1 paper structure. I think we understand your your concern.
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Is that all? I just want to reiterate that when I spoke to you about this, you said no, that would be one feet. So what I my
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response was that's not what's in writing. And I agree, like with Adam, it should spell out what what staff is saying should be
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spelled out and it should spell out one fee per structure, not one fee per listing.
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To remedy. All right. Thank you.
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Mr. Turner #3, sorry if I remember correctly.
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Come on up to the.
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At the last work session, we all talked about, and I think we all pretty much agreed was one permit per parcel. So like there's a
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gallon in young and she has two small cabins. She would pay one permit per parcel. And I think we we're all kind of agreeing on
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that. Last night. Well, we discussed it. I'm not sure we agreed yet. So yeah, we did discuss it. I have another person here,
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Verla.
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Doctor.
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Yes, come on up.
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You're in Eastbury Park, if I remember. Yeah, I am.
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I have an addition I want you to add.
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I think you need to have in there what's the fee for somebody who reports a false violation?
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We haven't. We have a guy in our neighborhood right now and he has mental issues anyway, but he's going to be reporting everybody
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for everything.
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And there's going to be many, many false violations he's going to report. I think you need in there that there's a fine for making
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a false violation report.
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That's the only that would be fair to us because we should not be harassed and he is harassing us to the point that my husband and
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I just picked up.
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Restraining order against him.
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So, um.
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That that needs to be added.
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The other thing you guys need clarification in this because when you say bug spray, what does that mean? Does that mean I have to
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have a professional company? How many times a month, a year do I have to spray for bugs?
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Umm, you don't clarify.
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And that I feel like that means quantification or we don't know if we're doing it right or not doing it right.
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Parking in the streets and boy I agree with you guys. Some of our streets are way way too narrow to be parked on. East Verde
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Estates is one of them. Nobody should be parking in our streets. There should be no parking signs everywhere. But my renter isn't
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going to. His car isn't going to take up anymore room than my neighbor's car so my renters car is blocking the street.
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So is the next door the owners car blocking the street?
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So I just think.
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Yes, we need rules, we need regulations, but they need to be universal.
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Divine spring for bugs because that's a health concern. Everybody in my neighborhood should have to straighten up.
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If you have a health concern that my steps may run over because I have four people in the house.
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What if my neighbors got eight and his septic runs over his septic didn't cause a health problem?
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So I think you guys need to look at this and say we need to make the laws universal.
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We all need to care. Airbnb people and owners need to care. Owners need to care.
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Your dog's barking. If you're an owner, it's OK, but if a renter comes in and their dog barks, it's not OK.
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Where do Where do we draw the line here?
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That's what we're trying to figure out.
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Thanks. Yeah, I believe, I believe Michael has some responses to perhaps a couple of your comments.
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That's what government does best is not, not a lot of neighbors get along even though we all like to think we get along. So we are
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complete based and there are many complaints we go on that are false. They're they're called in and appropriately whatever you
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want to call it, they're not valid is what we call it. But we go out and investigate all of them. It doesn't matter.
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So exactly. But that's, that's sort of that's a very difficult thing to ask because.
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We go out and investigate. We're required by law to go investigate these things. So and then we document what is valid, what's
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not. So we'll have a document on us. If you have somebody who's doing the continuous and it's illegitimate, I get it. And we'll
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have the documentation. And then if it rises to the level that you believe, that's harassment.
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Then it's a then it's a civil issue between the homeowners and then we are, we would have the documentation how many times you've
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been there and all this. I think you were could tell a lot of this by having it as part of the law. Part of this. And Mr. Chair,
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if I may, is, is, is on bugs. You know, I mean, your own home is yours, whether you have cockroaches or whatever that that's up to
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you. But I don't know if you've ever seen or had bed bugs And that's transmitted by people and.
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People stay at a place one time and then they stay at a place another time. I would, I would think to have some kind of, of bug
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prevention for bed bugs and things of that. I, I think it is important because if I was going to rent someplace and, and you do no
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spraying, I would be very concerned on who stayed there last weekend.
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And so if, if you don't want to spray, then you know, but, but but what I'm saying is that could be a comfort as well as a burden.
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I spray monthly but and and it's a professional, but I'm saying you don't have a guideline here. You just throw it out and say bug
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spray. And I've done my Airbnb for 10 years. I've never had a difficult in any of them. So there's cleanliness issues. Yes, Mr.
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Chair, if I may, That's that's fine. I mean, if there's got to be a health regulation for.
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For I know you don't like to be compared to motels, but where where people stay multiple times multiple people, there has to be
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some kind of regulation on what kind of chemicals should be used to prevent.
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Transporting things as bed bugs and things like So then you're saying?
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So you're controlling the chemicals? No, But I'm just saying there might be a state regulation where like motels are sprayed so
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that they don't have lice and bed bugs and things in their rooms. Because you don't know the people that reach your place last
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weekend, next weekend, a year from now, you don't know what they may be carried.
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After every rental we get sprayed.
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I said we'll look at the health department issue of that, of how to combat those kinds of transfers of those kind of bugs.
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As far as Bugsburg goes.
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Then there would be a better.
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Regulation on what would be expected for them, but but yeah, if they get contacted from anybody that they arrived at a home and
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there were bed bugs, they take us off the platform, we're not on, we're done.
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I would just soon know that your rooms are sprayed so I don't get ice and bed bugs than a sex offender because nobody's going to
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offend me that way but the bugs.
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Another thing I did call Airbnb about the sex offender because I wanted to know what are you checking? Are you going to tell me as
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an owner that this person a sex offender? And they told me absolutely not because there's federal privacy laws about disclosing
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this and even if they find out it's a sex offender, Airbnbs not going to report it.
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Because that's a violation of that person's fantasy.
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They said they so they're not gonna help us here. They aren't gonna tell us.
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They said it's a violation of privacy.
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Thank you, Verla.
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Some things are implied. You're going to have a clean place, you're going to have bug free place. You're going to have clean
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water.
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Those are all implied.
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So I think.
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It would be inappropriate to try and nail down exactly what the ordinance should say about the cleanliness of a place or
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something. So just if you have, you're renting your place out, have it bug free. If that means you've got to spray it every day,
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then do that. If not, you know, it just has to be bug free. Vince, did you did you have something you wanted to add? I got a
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little note here this.
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That.
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And I know you're going to be super brief.
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Not like the first guy. I have to say we need to thank several of you guys, Randy Palmer for his talk about the fire, which is
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major, this gentleman about the sewer systems. But if our county is a county, went in and set up the rules for amount of parties
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that can belong in the house, 80% of the problems we've been talking about today are solved.
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So I believe that that's something that maybe the health department and the county officials.
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Need to sit down and come up with.
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Because I know we have Airbnbs, we don't allow more than two people, but that's us OK. Are we doing right? I feel yes, but that's
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not my decision. It needs to be a decision that the county says 2 bedroom home, you're allowed X.
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Four bedroom home you're allowed X instead of this 20 people per unit and if if the county puts those ordinances in fact that's
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going to solve a lot of our problems and then secondly.
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If your kid goes out and gets in trouble.
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It's traffic ticket on the street. Are you responsible to pay for that or him?
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He is right. I don't care if he's 16 years old.
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Why should the owners of the dwellings be responsible for the pardons that are renting those out?
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They should not be, but the party is written out should be liable for whatever actions they are taking.
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And that's something that through ordinances, our county could set that up and it would be a lot easier on all of us. We wouldn't
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be.
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Here, I mean most of us that come up here, we rattle on about nothing.
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And that's not what we need. I've done a lot of development over the years and.
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If you put down the rules and regulations, period, not per units.
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Multi family needs to abide by the same rules, single family homes need to buy by the same roles as as the Airbnb says. And if the
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county puts those ordinances in place, it would help a lot. Steve.
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That's about all I've got to say. Thank you. Thank you. Miss Johnson. Last person, Hal Key.
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Well, thank you, Board supervisors, and thank you for your effort so far.
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I just want to say in the play Romeo and Juliet, at the end of the play, the Prince comes in and all the dead bodies are laying on
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the floor and he asked what happened here and Prior says I will be brief and he tells the whole story. I'm not going to tell the
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whole story.
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I'm going to address 2 things. First, I'm a licensed mechanical engineer. I have designed plumbing systems, very large plumbing
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systems. I've also designed septic systems for a number of different type of occupancies.
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My suggestion on the occupancy because you have it tied to two people per bedroom in many cases that septic system is over
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designed for a one bedroom house. Mine that I just built this last year.
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Actually will support 3 bedrooms even though I will only have one bedroom in in the facility.
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So if we tie this to two per bedroom or.
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Include the Oregon.
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As allowed by the discharge permit for that property.
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There is a property that I'm aware of in Hingle Creek that's a large.
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Lodge. They have at least five or six bathrooms.
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By this ordinance, they can only have 25 in that facility, even though they can easily.
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Sleep.
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50.
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And I also want to address the term bedroom nowhere in the international codes, including the International Residential Code,
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which the county has adopted.
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For residential construction, do they use the term bedroom?
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Nowhere in the international codes do they use the term bedroom. Every instance they talk about sleeping area.
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Sleeping area may be a room but they don't call it a bedroom.
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The only place where the term bedroom occurs is an adequate rules and their interpretation of that and so if we tied the occupancy
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to the discharge permit.
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That could allow a greater occupancy than more than two per bedroom on a facility if that septic system is already designed for
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that discharge.
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2nd.
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This last six months I've had to talk to opportunity to talk to some senior members of the Sheriff's Office. And by the way, I'm
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very disappointed that you don't have a member of the Sheriff's Office who can speak for the Sheriff's Office here today. I've
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already had that discussion with with at least one of the supervisors in the past.
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When it comes to the response on a problem on a property.
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I was told, and this is from a member who can speak for the the Sheriff's Office.
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That they do exactly what Michelle Nelson suggested a year ago last April if there's a problem on one of these properties.
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They call the platform and they file a complaint with the platform and the platform evicts.
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The problem people.
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And so that the Sheriff's Office is already doing that when they have the opportunity. But in many cases, it sounds like those
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that are having complaints with these short term rentals are not enlisting the assistance of the Sheriff's Office. They're trying
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to handle it on their own or getting another.
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County employee to solve that problem instead of going to the Sheriff's Office.
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That's all I had. Thank you, Mr. Key. Michael, you have something?
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Sure. I'd like to sort of go over information regarding how a septic permit is issued inhaler County, just to give everybody here
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a little bit brief.
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History of that, So if you as a property owner want to build a home, you come in and you give us engineered plans for a septic
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system say A2 bedroom home and there are special 80 Q requirements for that based on mathematical calculations, how many bedrooms
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are there, how many fixtures, that kind of stuff. And then we base that septic size that needs to be.
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On those calculations and then we give the permit, the discharge permit for that.
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Most of the homes in Gila County, you give us our we issued permits based on what is given to us, a three bedroom home.
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In the future, can you expand that system? Yes, you'll have to add on to the septic system. Or are there occasions where a
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homeowner plans ahead and says I have a two-bedroom and maybe I want to turn this into 4 bedrooms in the future and I don't want
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to go through the cost of applying for a septic system increase 10 years from now, so they will submit.
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Expanded plans for a four bedroom home but build a two-bedroom. The majority of homes in Gila County. The permits issued are for
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the exact calculations of what size homes are given us. There are exceptions, but not many. I just wanted to clarify that.
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And if I can also clarify that he's correct on on that regard. However, there are minimum sizes of septic tanks.
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That allow larger.
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And then the lease fields or or disposal fields.
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Are also sized for a minimum amount as well, not just on that one metric. And so you need to look at the metrics on how those are
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sized and you need to look at the discharge permit as a discharge permit will have.
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What's allowed?
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Thank you, Mr. Key.
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Berlin, you have something else.
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Shares Captain calling Airbnb and the appeal.
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With that thought, this year's have been calling Airbnb, DRBO, Michelle and I put out in our community, we put out in our
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community letter the numbers to call at Airbnb and VRBO if there was a concern. And that has really taken away the majority of the
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problem in our neighborhood because people have called those numbers. But maybe those numbers could be added on the field that we
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have to put close on our door.
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If a deputy does come out and he doesn't know the number, all he has to do is look and it says contact Airbnb at this number,
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contact the RB on this number or whatever platform you're on that we could provide it.
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That's pretty simple.
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Thank you.
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OK, I'm about to move on. Do you have any comments you'd like to add, Supervisor Humphrey?
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No, I just, I just feel that once we get an ordinance passed.
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Then we'll know more of who the bad players and things are because we'll have more regulation on what's going on. You know, how
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many, how many sheriff's calls to these addresses because the sheriff will have those addresses and no water Airbnbs or whatever
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and, and what are residences, The sheriff will know that and, and so, you know.
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We can. We can keep working on an ordinance. Will there ever be a perfect ordinance? No, I don't believe so. But but I think the
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sooner we can get one passed, the sooner we can go forward with getting permits so that we know the numbers of how many are here
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and we know the problems that are the ones that are creating problems and the ones that are not. I mean, we can pick things apart
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and the discharge may be a good idea, but some of these older homes.
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Don't know what they've got in the ground, perhaps because it's grandfathered in. So are we going to dig up to see what they have?
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And Oh my God, you got a cesspool. It's outlawed now you're shut down. I don't want to open that can of worms, you know, so, so
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we, you know, we're, we're trying to find a balance here. And I think once we get an ordinance, the better, the better we can
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start working on, on what needs to be controlled and, and, and what we really need to look at as far as.
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Things and, and I appreciate everybody's input because you know, we, we do really I think this board tries to work for the public.
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That's why we keep having these so that we can hear from you on what's going on and and I do believe that our our staff if, if
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someone has an issue with the building or.
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Or something of that nature. It's not an automatic violation. We try to help you and, and then if you if, if you don't let us help
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you in the direction that you need to go, yeah, then it becomes a violation. But I, I, I, you know, I thank everybody for their
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comments because that helps us kind of balance the pendulum instead of just do what what's recommended.
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And so I, I thank you all very much. And is it a difficult deal? Is it ever going to be perfect? Is everybody ever going to be
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happy with it?
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No. And and I can't apologize for that because we're just trying to balance everything here. And, and so the closer we can get to
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a balance and not all one sided or not all stringent, then then I think that's what we're trying to do. So I appreciate you all
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very much. And and as we go forward with an ordinance, I just know not everybody's going to be happy.
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But we can work on that from there once we know more of of the complaints that we're trying to regulate. So thank you, Mr. Chair,
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that's all I have. Thank you, supervisor. Supervisor Klein.
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Well, we're getting closer.
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That's what I think. And you know, after going over all this again.
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There was still some newer ideas and some newer thoughts and I think that that needs to be hashed out a little bit. And one is the
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numbers, occupancy loads. I think that really needs to be looked at hard. And, and I know it might put you in a bad corner to work
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through Josh, but I have all the faith in the world of you. So, but overall, I think we've come a long ways. I think there's
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there's definitely been a lot of work to it.
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And it's something that we need to go ahead and try and work these last little issues out and move on. And, and as that goes to
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you guys working with Bob and Adam, then I'm all for it personally. But I, I think we're, we're really, really close to getting
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some started. And everybody needs to keep in mind just because we come up with something that we think that'll work in six months
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or a year, we may find out that it doesn't work and we're changing it again. So that's what I like.
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With an ordinance, it's a working document and we have that right to to work with it unless our lawyer tells us no and she's not
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going to do that. So, so I guess with that, thank you everybody for being here today. I know for you guys from Young and Payson
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and wherever is Long drive, but I really appreciate seeing you here in the audience. So thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you
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supervisor. And so I do thank everyone as well. A lot of good comments and I know it's it's a little brutal getting through all of
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it.
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And it's time consuming, but it shows that we are respectful to your concerns and as we're trying to work this through and so.
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There's about two things that I've noticed seem to be something that we might want to re-evaluate and that is the in person
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response. Does it have to be in person or can it be just a contact of some nature? That seems to be something to relook at And
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then to me, I honestly just my own personal feeling on.
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A structure that has three or four bedrooms, It's one structure. I think that should be one fee.
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Versus separate cabins, separate structures, separate rentals that way. So that's my opinion and I'm going to leave it at that.
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So.
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All right. So if we're ready to move on, I sure AM.
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Item 2B is information discussion regarding the history of the Healer County Fairgrounds and who's going to present.
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Michael.
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Obviously.
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Thank you.
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Less crowded now, Sir.
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So thank you very much, Mr. Chair, members of the board. So a while back, Supervisor Humphrey approached me and.
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Asked me to do some research on the fairgrounds, on the property in Gila County, some historical perspective and my management
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associate Retta back there spent a couple hours, a couple weeks actually in the courthouse here going through past histories of
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the Board of Supervisors in Gila County. And it was a fascinating trip, that's for sure. It started back in 1964. That's what our
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records go all the way back to up until now and so.
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What I have included part of this item is a 32 page historical perspective on the fairgrounds property that Reddit was able to
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extrapolate just those items from the past board meetings and put them in this kind of a format. And so I'd like to have a
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discussion with that prior prior to my discussion, I will say I've looked at this 32 page history for the fairgrounds multiple
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times and the one thing that stands out clearly is.
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Community members and the Board of Supervisors have always worked hand in hand to get things done on the fairgrounds. Policies
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have changed. They've come back, they've gone away, they've come back. It's interesting to see the Board of Supervisors and how
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that fairgrounds property has changed dramatically over over time, But the the community leaders have put in a lot of their unpaid
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volunteer time.
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They were constantly in front of the Board of Supervisors.
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Asking for work to be done, asking for money for some of this work to be done, fundraising on their end to get some of this work
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done. So if it's one thing that I took out of this, this historical perspective is that the community and, and the Board of
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Supervisors have always worked together with this property to try and improve it, to hold events out there, to bring the community
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closer together and people from outside to enjoy Healing County.
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And that became quite clear in the documents. I do want to say that one of the questions I've been asked in the past is who owns
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that property. That seems to be some people in the community, Residents have always asked who really does own that property. And
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part of the package I included in this item was the deed to the property, which Heila County government did purchase that property
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from the state Land department years ago.
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For a set upon price, there are a couple deed restrictions.
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On that purchase including, you have to have a race track there and of all things you have to have like a mechanical building.
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Which is a little unusual.
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But but those are a couple of deed restrictions and don't pose any kind of a future problem with any kind of expansion with what
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we do out there in the fairgrounds at all. So, so that's to answer that question. Healer County does in fact own the property, but
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we've always worked at the Board of Supervisors, has always worked with staff and the volunteers out there to make that facility
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better, more events. And I think that's what we'll continue to do as we move forward. But.
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I know there's.
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People here from the public and I don't know if anybody has any comments or anything they'd like to if you like Adakana and if
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it's a lot of paper and come on up here and give your perspective. But we do have the University of Arizona representatives here
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and we also have.
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Part of the fair committee here because the fair committee does receive funding from the state to operate the County Fair. So
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that's how it gets done.
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It's all on them and in a lot of volunteer times, but I'd be happy to answer any questions possible.
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Humphrey, except from 1964 to 2024.
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Yeah, and, and, and Fred and Michael, thank you very, very much.
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Because the fairgrounds is really important to me. I worked out there for a long time with Joe Levine and, and so the 4H and
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everything is real important, the fare, the rodeo, those kind of things. And so now a lot of things in District 2 are taking care
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of the bridge and things like that. I, I, I jumping into the fairgrounds. I would, I, you know, I mean, it got to where it was for
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dust and bird **** not, not people and events. And so I want to, I want.
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All I can to help that. And so, you know, thanks all to staff and funds, we were able to get a second arena out there and
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bathrooms so that we could put in for high school rodeo finals and perhaps different ropings and things with 4H. With two
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different arena, you can have more things going on. And then we, we ran into an electrical issue that things are not as they
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should be out there. We we need to upgrade because we rent.
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Generators and light plants and everything just to operate the things we do now, which puts a burden on on the on the fair people
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because they get state money. And you know, then then if a lot of it's got to go for electricity burdens them or it burdens us to
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help them and that's all money that could go to different issues and so.
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And then it seemed to me every time that fair and racing and 4H came along, it was like, there seems to just be a real
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unsettlement, you know, of who's what, who has what, who owns what, who's responsible for what. And it's like we just kind of get
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in a catfight and next thing the bears over and the racing's over. You know, things are over. And then it kind of dies down. But
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but all of a sudden, come here comes the fair and here comes this and all of a sudden all this gets up.
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Arrogant. And so that's why, you know, I had some constituents come to me and they said, you know, here, here's what we understand
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that it is. And you know, 4H is everything and this and that. And it's like, I'm, I'm not saying they're not, but I don't know for
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sure. And so I asked Michael to look into this and, and read it. And, and like you say, we've got a document that goes from May of
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1964 to September.
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Of 2002.
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And and so you know, anybody that wants to read this, you know, the decisions made on the fairground, the supervisors that were on
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the board that did it and who was on the fare and racing Commission at the time or whoever, and what individuals put a lot of time
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in it and what didn't.
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And so thank you very much for this. And by this, we know that that people counting now owns the fairground. That's, that's some
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good information going forward and, and, and to work with people as we go forward. So, you know, I, I don't have any questions
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other than where we're going to get the money to better improve it. But I mean, in all your research, I, I have no questions. It,
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it's, it's not a matter of opinion.
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It's not a matter of who's what, it's a matter of what the board at that time approved for that facility out there and who
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approved it. And, and so we're trying to go forward with that information and, and so and, and make it the, the best that we can.
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And so now as we work together as a community with, with, with fair and, and with 4H it it's like now, now we, we.
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A little better perimeter because it's our stuff and you may have some stuff there. Then let's work together because you know,
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how, how can we better use it? And because, you know, you bought the stalls, that doesn't mean 4H can't use them or the fair can't
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use them. It, it, it needs to be grouped. It, it needs to be a group situation and not me, me, mine. And, and so going forward, I,
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I think that your research, in my opinion.
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Will help us sit down and be able to go forward.
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With a more stable attitude than we've had in the past because it came to me that if we don't do certain things and that'll revert
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back to the state. Well, I, I can appreciate that someone sat in that Board of Supervisors meeting when that was said, but they
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didn't go to the one that said we bought it. Do you know so, so things have changed and, and, and so I, I think this is good
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information for all of us to work forward in making.
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And more productive recreational facility for Healer County to use because we're centrally located and you know, and, and have
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better arrangements there for, you know, for the 4H.
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Participants from Payson can show their their stock here. And, and so, you know, then we can move forward. And so I, I appreciate
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the research very much and I hope it will, it will lead to.
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More common ground with everybody's interest in that facility using it and making it a better place to go. So thank you, Mr.
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Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Klein.
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I love history and it was really cool.
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Looking at all that, but it did not surprise me. You say it was started in 64, I was born in 63. I grew up with going to the
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fairground from time. I was little bitty to the horse races and everything that had to offer there to the fairs and everything
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else. So there's no doubt.
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The Board of Supervisors put that together for a reason when they get it, and horse racing was part of it, but so was the
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opportunity for the community to use it and the kids to be a part of it and for it to continue on and to grow.
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There's no doubt in my mind when I look at the list of names and people that's involved in that over the in the past. Back then, I
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knew most of those people. They're gone now, unfortunately. But but I knew those people and I can assure you that's what they
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wanted. It wasn't wasn't to be hassled over. It wasn't to be argued over on what long to who or who could use it and who couldn't.
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It and so that's that's where I really want to start at is why it's there to begin with.
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It seems like in more recent years the fairgrounds have been put aside. When we started in in 2017, there hadn't been really
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anything done with the fairgrounds except the fair. And it was a it was a hard deal to pull off. People were struggling, a lot of
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volunteers, not a lot of money thrown out there. It was tough, but they kept it going and so.
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When I sat and I listened and I hear from different people the issues of the bickering or whatever it is.
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Sometimes I can't help but say, hey folks, step back and put your big boy pants on and let's talk about this. We should all have a
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goal in mind and that is to support our community on whatever that is. If if I'm just going to throw an example, if we set and
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throw out fees for the fairgrounds that people can't afford it, then let's don't do it. That fairgrounds wasn't set there to to
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for the county to make money off of.
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That fairground was put there to support this community and the surrounding communities.
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Back when it was started, the patient had its own fare up there and that's continued until here. More recently, Pleasant Valley
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had its own fair, Pine had its own fair and things like that. Those have dried up now to where all these participants need to come
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down here and use the fairgrounds here to be a part of the fair. And that's that is where I'm proud. At least we have the
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fairgrounds and we're putting money into the fairgrounds to allow this to happen.
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I, I think I've seen it a lot. I really have. And somebody will get mad at somebody else or whatever, but I just wish they'd sit
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back and have a cup of coffee and talk about it and let's get on with it. As far as ownership of the fairgrounds, there was no
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doubt in my mind who owned the fairgrounds. That was never even a question in my mind. And you got to take into consideration as
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back when that fairgrounds was established, Helic County had three separate districts.
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They function differently, they have their own budgets differently, the whole 9 yards. It wasn't until more recent years that the
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county consolidated and all became one.
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But still, when they put those fairgrounds together, all three Board of Supervisors came together on that and did it wasn't just
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one, it was, it was all of them. And I think that's a real big key in this too. And I don't worry about our board sitting here
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today. I might in the future when maybe we're not here, but but we're here to support that fairgrounds. It it the fairgrounds is a
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county project.
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It takes two of us three to approve any kind of dollars that goes into that.
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Fairgrounds and and we've all supported the fairgrounds. All three of us were 100%.
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Behind the forehead and the kids and I think from my standpoint.
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I just would like to just continue on, improve those fairgrounds, make sure they're getting used. That's another thing. We stick a
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ton of money in there and then people can't use them because they can't afford a fee or they can't afford this or that. No, no
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backup. You know, we want the fairgrounds to shine. We want it to be a focal point for Gila County. We want to be want it to be a
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place that people can come have their series.
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Or whatever mudbox, whatever it is, we want that to be a destination in Healer County and we want to do it right. And so I'm just
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glad that we're able to be as far along as we have. We put a ton of money into that fairgrounds.
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We're not just throwing money at it and not getting the use out of it. People are using it. My, my intention is I'm here for four
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more years and that is to make sure that that heat, that fairgrounds can be used. You know, if, if there's fees associated with
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whatever and people can't afford it, but it's a legitimate group or whatever it is, we need to work with that.
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We need to do what we can with the people as well, but we don't need is the bickering and fighting that has been in that
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fairgrounds. We don't need that. And I'm and I'm real serious about that. If people have issues and if they have issues with
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something maybe they think we're doing or saying, please, by all means call us up and come talk to us because we need to keep that
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fairgrounds going forward. It really needs to be the the the attraction of HeLa County and and it is a HeLa County.
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Project and it does take two of the three of us to approve anything on that.
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And that's another big thing to know as well. But right now you've got three of us sitting here that totally support.
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The Fairgrounds.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. You're welcome. Thank you, Michael. And for everyone involved in compiling this history, it's it's very
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interesting. And yeah, I think we all look forward to improving that, creating more opportunities for the public because the
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purpose of government sometimes.
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For instance, in this case is to provide a venue or provide something that's not easily provided by individuals in the public. And
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so the fairgrounds is an important asset that we have.
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And we have, I think a number of 4H.
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Representatives here, they apparently had to leave early. So I I don't have anything about anyone wants to make any additional
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comments. So I got just one more thing to say too, because I did get hung up on the groups and stuff used in the fairgrounds. But
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what I didn't say is when we have a 4H event or we have a rope and going on there, that brings the outside money into this
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community.
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That outside money is real important to us as well. So that's the added revenue that is sitting there that we need to capitalize
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on and get in here. You know, they, they stay in our hotels 8 or in our restaurants. They they buy the gas that we use for herf
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dollars. They they do all these things and so.
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By supporting the groups that want to put on functions and to use those, the fairgrounds like the gym and mineral show draws in a
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lot of people and and that's where our revenues from accounting comes from a lot of it. So Mr. Chair, if I may, yeah. For
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instance, is there been in meetings with Freeport who wants to bring name artist Tequila County?
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Not only for their employees, but for the people of Halo County and and so they they want to do it at the paragraphs, which is a
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compliment.
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But the restrictions are, is how many people can we put it to fairgrounds? What will our existing electricity tolerate at the
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fairgrounds? So the discussion was not who do we want to bring? Who will they ask to come depending on what we can can furnish,
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what can what, what parking do we have? What, what, what facility do we have and how many people?
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Will that hold?
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Then they're going to look for an artist that usually attracts that many people. I would love to have a fairgrounds tell them call
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George Strait. We've got plenty of space for it, you know, but I mean, that's kind of the situation we're in and have available
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too. If if, if it's someday we work together and can get get funding and get, you know, public input. I remember when the rodeo
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came out of deal downtown and, you know, all businesses.
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You know, wild horse saddling and all this kind of stuff, you know that that interest is kind of gone and I'd like to, to see it
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come back because I would like to have a facility like that. Like I say, if someone said, hey, we'd like to bring something to
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your, to your community, What do you have to offer us? Like bring whatever you want. We, we, we can help you. But anyway, I just
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wanted to bring that up because going forward it it's not, you know, Bill that they're.
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It's there already here. We just don't have a facility for them. So anyway, thank you.
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Thank you. You have any more? Just a couple quick comments, so.
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Mr. Ben Love over the last couple years is applied for federally, federal earmarks. We're trying to get money to improve the
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fairgrounds and unfortunately we've been turned down for the last couple years. So, so the county administration is certainly
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working towards trying to get as many grants out there as possible to improve it and in the near future. One of the items Mr.
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Minlove has asked.
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My facilities director myself to come in front of the board for consideration is the first phase electrical improvements out of
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the fairgrounds. We'll be presenting that soon to the board for consideration there to improve the electrical supply out there. It
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takes two different phases to get everything up to snuff, but the first phase is to improve what we have up there and bring all of
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all the fixtures we have up there to current electrical code and then the next phase.
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To increase that power supply, which would allow us to hopefully.
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4H would love this to an U of A to not bring so many generators out there for the County Fair and some other events as well. Yeah,
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'cause that rent money could be used for other things other than just equipment.
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So.
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Oh, go ahead, James. I just had one question that may take you to answer. So when you went through all this history on that,
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Michael, how did it come about for the prison? Is that actually on the 100 plus acres that the fairgrounds owns or is that on a
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different partial estate band? I don't really know that supervisor the this particular research was just the fairgrounds property
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and not the prison, but.
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I could certainly do some research on that. I've always been curious, as you know, if it was actually something that was
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negotiated with the county and state to build the complex there or whatever that is on a separate parcel. That is state land and
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that's why the whole property out there is state land, why we are working to acquire an additional 280 acres.
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Near that property is because it is state land. Yeah, thank you.
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Mr. Chairman, we do have Hannah McDaniel here from the fair board and we are within weeks of the Healer County Fair for 2024. And
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I wonder if if it's all right with you, Mr. Chairman, if Hannah wanted to plug the Gila County Fair, that is coming real quick.
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Yeah, please. Come on.
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And we have the Northern HeLa County Fair that will be coming in facing around September. I can't remember the date September.
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Hi, thank you. Good afternoon. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So our fair here in Globe will be September 25th through the
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28th.
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We have lots planned for our four day event. Mud bugs, demo, cross rodeo, Ranch rodeo.
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Livestock auction. Livestock shows.
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And then a few other entertainment items streamed throughout the fair. So we're excited. I will say one thing, everybody that I
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bring in for this event, whether it be rodeo, whether it be entertainment on the track, they love our facility. They think it's
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great. They love our rodeo arenas. They love the open space on top kind of to be able to do whatever we need to with. It's been
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great.
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So I appreciate all the help and support from Helicopter.
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Thank you for everything you do, Doctor Humphrey. Now I just thank you for all you do. I get paid for what I do. You volunteer. So
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thank you very much. Absolutely. Hannah. Is there something else that you need from us? I mean, if there is, you just give it
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James.
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James has been great. OK. All right, thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I will add with Hannah and her
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whole team, she has a volunteers as you notice move by the client. It's a year round.
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Thing that they have to do, yeah, it's an hour, not a one. It's not a month out of the year. It's 12 months, 12 months, hours and
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hours and hours that they do contribute in their own time to put on the affairs as well as right. I know that they do in the
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Northern Humor County Fair as well.
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1-2, we have Renee Carsons with U of A Cooperative Extension. Couple things that we have been working on is as you pointed out to
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our client to work with them to formalize an agreement that U of A Cooperative Extension as a governmental entity as defined and
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all. We've gone through a bunch of legal stuff with Jessica, but that they are through the corporate extension, the 4H and that
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group can use.
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The fairgrounds at no charge.
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And we are formalizing the agreement for that. And did you have anything you wanted to say, Renee, with Mr. Chen?
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Yeah, please come up, Renee.
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Good to have you with us I'm glad to be here just have a comment just saying that we've come a long ways in this last year as far
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as building the stronger relationship understanding. That's why I'm here to learn today, find out a little bit more about the
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history and just appreciate the ongoing regular meetings that have been established now with our county manager so that even if
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there's not a lot sometimes we have quite a bit to cover with as an agenda and other times nothing's on the agenda but we're.
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Meeting so that we have that opportunity to continue to build the relationship and and understanding and learn. So I really
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appreciate that and thank you. Thanks for going through this and this opportunity for us to hear and learn a little bit more about
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the history as well.
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Thank you.
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See by the way, good. OK can do. Finally Mr. Chairman, if I could wanted to point out that we do have Bianca here, that is she is
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her assignment is to manage the fairgrounds and she works with facilities and so we put them putting that effort to try and build
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a schedule events and make sure that we are utilizing the fairgrounds. So you say that that brings traffic into Gila County. Yes,
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absolutely.
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And so Bianca and the rest of the facilities teams, thank you for what you're going to make sure that we're utilizing the asset
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that we have.
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You know, going to let them get off that easy. Owe you chance.
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I that's up to you if you want Bianca to come and and have a chance to answer questions and we certainly can.
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Only if she would like to.
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Come tell us what you got scheduled. Tell us what your daily activities and things that you've been working on to get people here
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in. Thank you, Bianca, for all that you do. Just give us a brief rundown on what what's in your world. Good morning. Yeah. I mean,
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I've really been reaching out to facilities. I am in talks with the high school rodeo, hoping we can be added to their schedule.
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Not this year, next year.
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Bringing those in, pulling the numbers, what we brought in and I don't remember if it was 22 or 23 throughout the whole year. I
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have, I pulled that in in four months of the beginning of this year. So I am reaching out, getting things, I mean everybody that I
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talked to, you know, I'm making sure to and we do upgrades. I visit out there often just to make sure that you know, things are
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getting done.
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Look better. Our techs do great out there so I do feel like.
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Everything is coming together. More things are being brought to, you know, to the town and people are realizing that is there so.
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It's going great.
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Supervisor Humphrey Yeah, no, just thank you for for all you do. And I would just like to remind everybody if, if, if you want to
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do something out there, we have a 12 month calendar. I don't know if you're into a 24 month calendar as of yet. No, we do we, I
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can but it, but if, but if you want to book something.
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Call Bianca and book it because it does fill up and, and we're, we're trying to grow the facility so it doesn't fill up so fast
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that we have more room for, for people to do things and, and have available to things. But, but right now we're, we're limited to
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what we have and, and scheduling is important. And so think a little ahead if you're going to get married next year.
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Where you might want to have it, you might want to book it a little bit in advance or something of that nature because we are
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starting to have events out there and I want to have more events out there. So scheduling is extremely important and so if Bianca
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can help with that. So I just I just wanted to let everybody know and people that are on the computer to to know that, you know
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think ahead a little bit because.
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You might think, well, the fairgrounds, I'll call them and let them know we're coming next weekend. It's like, oh, that's probably
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not, not, not going to work.
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So I just wanted to remind everybody that, you know, think, think ahead and, and, and reach out and we'll keep trying to to make
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more availability.
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For scheduling so thank you supervisor Klein Bianca, thank you yeah, I'd like to see it where you're booked out two years ahead
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yeah we're we're getting there good. So we can just keep going and it'll it'll be good but thank you for what you're doing and and
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hopefully we'll keep adding to it and.
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Bigger and better facility so.
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Yes, and I do thank you guys for all of your support and you know, sticking behind us and helping us get to where we need to be.
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Thank you, Bianca. Thank you and everyone involved. Can I, Mr. Chillin, just add two more things that the electrical has been
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mentioned that we do have a more firm price on what the getting our current electrical up to?
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To grade to code is instead of the 650 that you heard last. Are we discussing future board business in a in a work session? I'm
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giving you information. OK, but but OK, I think I know I can give information that that that price is closer to 250,000 than the
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$650 depending on given recently.
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And we're looking for potentially portable features that is again mentioned of a difficulty we have not having bleachers that
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we're looking at horrible bleachers that can be used at not only programs, but different things that we can work with the
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community on. So that's it, Miss Chef.
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Thank you. Yeah, we have some significant challenges with capital improvements this coming year, so we'll be discussing all of
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that. Thank you. If that's enough for Item 2B, we'll go on to Item 2C and information discussion, action to amend resolution
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#24-08-03 and the attachment to resolution #24-0803 as required by the Arizona Department of Revenue Property Tax Oversight
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Commission. Good afternoon, Maryland.
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Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Supervisor Humphrey, Supervisor Klein. When we sent our property tax rates and levies to the Department
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of Revenue Property Tax Oversight Commission last week following your adoption, they shared with us that we needed to do and we
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needed to include their two year comparison form. So we've just brought that to you.
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Today, last year, we used that form also. We just sent it to them as an additional attachment. It's here for you today.
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So that the resolution reflects that attachment and we'll use that going forward for our constituents, ease of use, Peace of Mind
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and reference. Both our traditional form and the Department of Revenues 2 year comparison are on the website at this time. I will
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update the resolution when I get it signed back from you.
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Thank you, Mayor and Supervisor Humphrey.
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No questions, Supervisor Klein. I don't believe I have any either. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, thank you very much. With that, I'll
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call for motion.
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Mr. Chair, I move to amend resolution #24-08-03 and the attachment to resolution #24-O8-O3 as required by the Arizona Department
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of Revenue Property Tax Oversight Commission. Mr. Chair, I'll second that we have a motion to approve and seconder. Those in favor
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say aye, aye. Motion carries unanimous. Thank you very much.
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All right, and.
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We'll come to item number three. Call to the public. We can open that up to anyone here here in Globe. Anyone here in Globe? No.
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Anyone on the Internet, No. And we have nowhere with us in Payson and Bev. If it's all right, I'm going to give you a time limit.
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And I realized 3 minutes for you just doesn't probably work. So how about I give you 5?
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Thank you so much. I appreciate that. OK.
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It's something echoing here.
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Can you hear me? Not too well.
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But we can't hear you.
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OK. That's better. Yeah, that's better.
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I can hear myself echo.
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And hopefully you can hear it because I feel like I'm, I'm starting to add first of all, and the rhythm of breath of the knowledge
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that.
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It's it's, it was online how much information and you know, experience that you need. And so I, I really.
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Give a lot of credit to face all of the things as well as you do. I really appreciate that.
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I'm I'm actually it's a different subject. It's not an account, it's different. It's actually to me how much a great substitute is
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much, much faster than fish that handheld so.
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Now that I'm reading hands out, oh, you know, it's so important. You're going to be very pleased with my interest in that tool.
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That we're saving a lot of time as election 2 projects from Lockhart, one of them being you have to supervise lunch right And this
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this system is called an egg and I'm just going to read it. I thought this account has been testing it and Arizona County.
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I have been very pleased to be involved with the a multi partisan team.
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It's smaller parts and many all the different parts in testing the system. I'm gonna say time. I'm just gonna read a summary of
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it, so.
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I'm introducing A and it's called Abe I. I will send you this through e-mail and invite you, you know, look at it in your own
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time. It's basically 10% a revolutionising election transparency and odyssey to restore public trust.
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And the multi parts routine as I have a main mainly John Blake was the creator. He is a Democrat and he is very strong of
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transparency and so a let me first describe it stands for a better education. Ade. I also believe on this area means amendment
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should transparency and the college rights information.
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Aid this groundbreaking tool that redefines how we find their violence by selectively valid images to the Castro record and that's
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as you probably know our heart yes and that's DFA 50 type of Labor takes an image of every ballot that's happening and it also.
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Produces a test of writing for every for every cell.
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And so it allows users to fund the votes account exactly as test.
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Oh, and this is personally important. This is a post election audit auditing.
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And it's virtually important in our counties have this kind of system because for example in the last election we did not have any
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most audit because.
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Unfortunately only one part of the representative and I think and you all got an e-mail about that situation. I don't want you to
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be with the unit and the general election. We do need to get back to election on it as required by the statutes.
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Anywhere so.
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Basically this a system is designed handle applies.
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Voting methods where the digital ensuring that everyone is accounted for the high man's decision.
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It's so far above the complex clusters of valid management by organizing the family images into separate precincts by each pair of
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corresponding CBR segments, whatever records.
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Basically, you probably know that there's a day in baseball castle breakfast. There's also five each of these, so they've got two
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different.
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Information so.
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So why it's important in today's environment for trust in the electoral pockets will push to the ever a stand out by Natalie
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freely audience precincts serve as the most accurate historical preference.
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And are OK.
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Mrs. Miller.
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1 OK.
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Greater than one detail.
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A Promote transparency. I know it's hard to come first. Please. A personal factory, restore confidence. Our Democrats emerging and
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divisions that are playing our nation. I'm going to stop it here because what I want to know is that I, I want to be on the agenda
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so that this can be brought again. Mr. Songwriting, He's a demographic who created this system and I've been working closely.
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He is making himself available to come and work session and to you is free to counsel that and so.
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Well, basically you know and can become. It can be what's best for him to come speak with you. He's not in person.
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Thank. Thank you, Bev.
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Yeah, thank you. We're yeah.
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Since it's not on the agenda, we don't make comments right now, so thank you for that presentation.
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OK, question B.
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Can you talk about? I know we can't tell you? Yeah.
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I can't understand what she's saying.
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No, we can't talk about it right now.
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It's it.
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In the near future, it needs to be on the agenda. That's correct. Thank you, Bev.
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Well, I I appreciate both citizens and our relation to you because it is important.
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And I I was finished in my respective response. Unfortunately I don't know what happened with my emails to me recently, but I have
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not gotten responses from him so.
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You know.
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We'll get together another time, OK?
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Thank you.
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All right.
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Mr. Mandela, do you have a report?
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Mr. Chairman, I'm going to pass today.
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Mr. Humphries.
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Just a short one.
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Our team attend a project team meeting tomorrow.
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I'll be at a Garcia public meeting on Saturday the 31st and I'll hold the Tunnel Basin Community meeting on the 3rd.
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At 5:00 PM.
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OK. Thank you. Supervisor Klein. I don't. Mr. Chair, Coming up, we have a meeting with a coalition of counties on updating the
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county land use plan. And so I'm going to give it Mr. James and ask Kathy to attend that out for me. But other than that, it's
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pretty quiet, right?
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OK, thank you. I don't have anything to report. So at this time I will call for motion to adjourn into executive session. So moved
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Mr. Chair and I'll second it. OK, Those in favor say aye, aye.
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Motion carries.
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Oh, did he send you back? Hang on, hang on. I'm sorry, Samantha.
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I'm sorry.
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I I didn't notice you were.
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Not there.
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Are you ready? And we're reconvening the Board of Supervisors regular.
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Session and I will call for motion. Mr. Chair, I would like to make a motion for staff to proceed as discussed in the executive
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session. And I will second that we have a motion and a second. Those in favor say aye. Motion carries unanimous. Thank you. I will
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adjourn this meeting.
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We're putting off the ginger. Well, there isn't one because we have federal rules.
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Thank you. Thank you, Sir. And right here I said employee name is that.
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