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  • A. (Recess as the Gila County Board of Supervisors and convene as the Gila County Board of Equalization.)  Information/Discussion/Action to receive and accept Gila County Board of Equalization Hearing Officer H. Charles Johnson's decisions regarding appeals of the Assessor's property valuations for tax year25, that were heard on September,24. (Samantha Trimble) (Adjourn as the Gila County Board of Equalization and reconvene as the Gila County Board of Supervisors.)
  • A. (Recess as the Gila County Board of Supervisors and convene as the Gila County Board of Equalization.)  Information/Discussion/Action to receive and accept Gila County Board of Equalization Hearing Officer H. Charles Johnson's decisions regarding appeals of the Assessor's property valuations for tax year25, that were heard on September,24. (Samantha Trimble) (Adjourn as the Gila County Board of Equalization and reconvene as the Gila County Board of Supervisors.)
  • B. Information/Discussion regarding a Gila County Rural Drinking Water Program. (Michael O'Driscoll/Glenn Mantel)
  • B. Information/Discussion regarding a Gila County Rural Drinking Water Program. (Michael O'Driscoll/Glenn Mantel)
  • C. Information/Discussion regarding potential capital funding options and funding process information for Gila County's infrastructure and capital improvement projects. (Mark Reader)
  • C. Information/Discussion regarding potential capital funding options and funding process information for Gila County's infrastructure and capital improvement projects. (Mark Reader)
  • D. Information/discussion regarding an update on the activities of the Community Development Department. (Randy Pluimer)
  • D. Information/discussion regarding an update on the activities of the Community Development Department. (Randy Pluimer)
  • 3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC:  A call to the public is held for public benefit to allow individuals to address the Board of Supervisors on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Board members may not discuss items that are not specifically identified on the agenda. Therefore, pursuant to Arizona Revised Statute §-431.01(H), at the conclusion of an open call to the public, individual members of the Board of Supervisors may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Board, may ask staff to review a matter or may ask that a matter be put on a future agenda for further discussion and decision at a future date.
  • 3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC:  A call to the public is held for public benefit to allow individuals to address the Board of Supervisors on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Board members may not discuss items that are not specifically identified on the agenda. Therefore, pursuant to Arizona Revised Statute §-431.01(H), at the conclusion of an open call to the public, individual members of the Board of Supervisors may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Board, may ask staff to review a matter or may ask that a matter be put on a future agenda for further discussion and decision at a future date.
  • 4. At any time during this meeting pursuant to A.R.S. §-431.02(K), members of the Board of Supervisors and the County Manager may present a brief summary of current events.  No action may be taken on the information presented. IF SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS ARE NEEDED, PLEASE CONTACT THE RECEPTIONIST AT (928)5-3231 AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO ARRANGE THE ACCOMMODATIONS. FOR TTY, PLEASE DIAL1-1 TO REACH THE ARIZONA RELAY SERVICE AND ASK THE OPERATOR TO CONNECT YOU TO (928)5-3231. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE BOARD’S ATTORNEY ON ANY MATTER LISTED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3). THE ORDER OR DELETION OF ANY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA IS SUBJECT TO MODIFICATION AT THE MEETING.
  • 4. At any time during this meeting pursuant to A.R.S. §-431.02(K), members of the Board of Supervisors and the County Manager may present a brief summary of current events.  No action may be taken on the information presented. IF SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS ARE NEEDED, PLEASE CONTACT THE RECEPTIONIST AT (928)5-3231 AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO ARRANGE THE ACCOMMODATIONS. FOR TTY, PLEASE DIAL1-1 TO REACH THE ARIZONA RELAY SERVICE AND ASK THE OPERATOR TO CONNECT YOU TO (928)5-3231. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE BOARD’S ATTORNEY ON ANY MATTER LISTED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3). THE ORDER OR DELETION OF ANY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA IS SUBJECT TO MODIFICATION AT THE MEETING.
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Special meeting Tuesday, September 24th. 00:00:02
To order. 00:00:07
And we will have a pledge this morning. Michael, would you like to lead us in the pledge, please? 00:00:10
From the United States of America, for which it stands one nation under. 00:00:19
Control. 00:00:30
Good morning, everyone. 00:00:35
We're going to go right on to regular agenda item 2A and I guess I need a motion to recesses HeLa County Board of Supervisors to 00:00:38
convene as HeLa County Board of Equalization. So moved, Mr. Chair, and I'll second that. All in favor say aye, aye aye. OK. 00:00:47
Information, information, discussion, action to receive and accept Helen County Board of Equalization hearing officer. 00:00:57
UMM H Charles Johnson's decisions regarding appeals of the Assessor's property valuation for tax year 2025 that were heard on 00:01:09
September 20th, 2024. 00:01:18
Do we have anybody? 00:01:29
Discussing the same. Go ahead. 00:01:32
Thank you. So I'm the healer. County Board of Equalization Hearing Officer H Charles Johnson heard the appeals of the assessors 00:01:35
property evaluations the tax year 2025. On September 20th, 9 total parcels were heard. Seven of those parcels were issued and no 00:01:43
change decision. One parcel was decreased and one petition was not accepted in because it was due in the incorrect format. One 00:01:50
parcel is still under Mr. Johnson's review. He will provide a decision on the parcel within 10 business days at which time. 00:01:58
Bring that information back to the board. So per the contractual agreement between the hearing officer and the board of 00:02:05
equalization, the board of equalizations review of the hearing office is limited. The county receives the decision of the hearing 00:02:10
officer and shall uphold the decision of the hearing officer unless there is substantiated contradictory presented and I'm happy 00:02:16
to take any questions. 00:02:21
OK. I don't have any thinking, Sam. Yeah, I don't have any questions either. I'm I'm sure glad that that he's able to do this for 00:02:26
us. I can remember when the Board of Supervisors did that and as far as the formulas and stuff of appraising property, it was a 00:02:34
difficulty. Anyway. I'm glad that we have somebody professional in doing that at this point. So if there's no further questions or 00:02:41
comments, I'll call for motion. 00:02:48
Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to receive and accept in the County Board of Equalization Hearing Officer H Charles Johnson's 00:02:56
decisions regarding appeals of the Assessor's property valuations for tax year 2025, and I'll second that. 00:03:04
And all in favor say aye, aye aye. 00:03:12
Passes unanimous. 00:03:18
Oh, and. 00:03:21
I was just a little late. Supervisor Klein and I are here today. Supervisor Christensen is not going to be here today, so. 00:03:22
It's just going to be the tours. 00:03:31
OK, And on regular agenda item 2B, we need to make a motion to change back to. So I'll make the motion to adjourn as healing 00:03:33
County Board of Equalization and Rick convene as a healer County Board of Supervisors. I'll second that having a motion second. 00:03:40
All in favor say aye, aye. 00:03:47
OK, and we don't need a decision to Table 2. 00:03:54
2D will be tabled because our presenter of that item was unable to be here today. 00:04:00
So we're moving on to regular agenda item to see information discussion regarding potential capital funding options and funding 00:04:08
process information for Hilo County's infrastructure and capital improvement project. Mark reader and. 00:04:18
Good morning. Good morning. We'll get you started with these first couple slides and then we'll turn it over to Mark Reader, who 00:04:29
will provide you with a little bit more information. 00:04:35
Mark has given you hopefully print out of this PowerPoint presentation. Since the projector is not working today, we want to make 00:04:43
sure that you've got that. 00:04:47
We were expecting to be like an hour and a half later in the agenda. 00:04:57
OK. 00:05:07
Oh fantastic. 00:05:17
So after your cover, you've got. 00:05:19
County leadership and then. 00:05:23
On what is page three, you have a list of the next five years estimated high priority capital projects for public works. So 00:05:28
management asked Homero and his team to put together their list of what they think it's going to take to get us to 2030 coming out 00:05:36
of the public works department. 00:05:45
As far as roads and other types of projects. 00:05:54
And in addition to putting together a list of projects, we asked Tomero and his team on this page, and then Joseph and his team on 00:05:59
the next in collaboration with Michael and James. 00:06:06
To evaluate what those funding sources might be for these, as you can see on Romero's list here, some of these funding sources 00:06:14
include Arizona Department of Transportation. 00:06:20
DF FM, which is the Department of Fire and Forestry Management. There are some FEMA resources. There are a few instances where 00:06:27
we'll be partnering with the central Arizona governments and CAG. 00:06:34
And there are some highway safety improvement funds, some Tonto National Forest. 00:06:43
And a couple other sources. So the total of these projects over the next. 00:06:51
Five years is estimated to be $21.7 million if they're at the bottom of Page 3. 00:07:00
Currently public works and management and finance are estimating 4.1 million. Of that 21 million will be sourced from public works 00:07:07
and the other 17,000,016.9 will come from other from these other funding sources that are listed down the right hand side. 00:07:18
So we're just, we're sharing this information with you because right you're. 00:07:29
Generally conservative and like to know that we're planning well in advance and if you don't like big financial surprises, so we 00:07:34
wanted to make sure you have this information today. 00:07:39
So this is projecting out from now until 2030 for public works. 00:07:45
And as you can see, the 4.1 million would be about what Public Works expects to extend and the the other 17 would be coming from 00:07:51
other sources as you flip to the next page. 00:07:58
Our friends and our friends and facilities have put together their list of what it's going to take to get us from now to 2030. 00:08:06
Their total project. 00:08:17
Are about 14.6 million. 00:08:20
Of which they're expecting about 10.3 to counter from the general fund. 00:08:23
And about 4.2 to come from other funding sources, which includes a court project for the security cameras at 30,000 The Road Shop, 00:08:28
Wash Bay. 00:08:37
Don't try to say that fast, which would be splitting half and half between general fund and public works and then looking at 00:08:46
utilizing some of the LATC funds for the Globe courthouse elevator improvements. 00:08:54
The complex roof replacement. The HVAC replacement. 00:09:03
And a couple other projects like that, including the Monroe St. 00:09:10
Adjacent projects, which would be our our parking lots and things like that, as well as parking lot resurfacing. 00:09:17
This also shows where other funding project costs are coming in from other sources, including the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat 00:09:26
Center, which has $3,000,000 in state grant funds and 333,000 in a congressional earmark. 00:09:35
So the total of those, again the total projected project costs are 14.6 million with general fund carrying 10.3 million of that 00:09:47
cost and other funding sources of about 4.2. 00:09:54
There are still additional LATCF funds available. This list includes potentially using about 3.9 of those, which would still leave 00:10:03
about 1.1 of LATCF funds. 00:10:12
So that gives you an idea of where facilities is. You previously saw an idea of where public works is. So as we go to the next 00:10:22
slide. 00:10:27
There we go. 00:10:33
We have a couple of pie charts here for you. 00:10:35
This shows the sources for potential funding. So the pie chart on the left hand side is our public works projects. 00:10:41
Which show the different sources for where those are. And you saw the list on the previous page. The right hand side shows the 00:10:53
sources for the facilities projects. And we're here today to bring you an idea. And it's just an idea. This is a work session 00:11:01
item. This is not an action item today. This brings you the idea. 00:11:09
That we could consider going for another pledged revenue bond. 00:11:18
Which would add the capacity for the county to consider some long term projects that would allow us to consider constructing a new 00:11:24
administration building and including this courthouse renovation. 00:11:33
So Mark Reeder from Steeple is here. Mark has been our partner on the last two. 00:11:43
Last two bond issues that we did, one for PSPRS and one for the Tommy Klein Martin building and the animal shelter. And Mark is 00:11:51
going to talk to us about what options are available for Arizona counties and what options other counties have done, what options 00:11:58
are available to us. And some of these have a lot more detail in them than we'll be presenting today. This is information for you 00:12:05
to have. 00:12:12
So that. 00:12:20
If you decide to encourage us to move forward and get more information, you'll have as much information as we have right now. So I 00:12:22
will hand this over to Mark. Hopefully the lag on that slows down and if you have any questions, we're both here for you. 00:12:29
Good morning again, Mark. Good morning. 00:12:40
Oh, yes, the board. Good. Thanks for having me up again. Is Mr. Christensen on the phone or No, He's not unavailable. Oh, he's not 00:12:43
available. OK. All right. 00:12:47
Before I get started, did you have any other questions for Marin on your five year kind of CIP? 00:12:51
Thought that was very well done and good job. As a county you've been largely a pay as you go capital county. All in all over the 00:12:58
years you all work really hard to get as many grant, as many grants as you can. That was in the grid. So I thought the five year 00:13:05
what we call high priority CIP plan was very well done. So I just wanted to before I get started, did you have any questions on 00:13:12
the material that maybe Mayor? 00:13:19
Supervisor client. 00:13:29
Mark, I don't think so. 00:13:31
I think it's very well put together. You know, looking at all the projects that cost projected costs money and all that. No, I 00:13:34
think, I think it's very well put together. 00:13:39
OK, very good. OK, so I'm going to go ahead and talk about this, this idea of. 00:13:46
Maybe down the road would the county be interested in a long term bond financing to finance some pretty major potential 00:13:52
improvements to the county? As I understand it, one is potentially a new administrative complex and Marin and you all are probably 00:13:59
more familiar at it than me. 00:14:05
And. 00:14:13
Repositioning some of the land up here in a new admin or new offices for a large part of the county, OK. And that's my 00:14:15
understanding that this building needs some pretty significant improvements. 00:14:21
And so we are seeing a number of counties having to address their very old facilities. I've got a case study I'll share with you 00:14:28
in a moment for Yuma County. You've all been to Yuma, you've all been downtown and they're literally in 100 year old building. 00:14:36
So they made the decision to spend over 60 million for a new administrative facility. 00:14:45
So we're seeing canals doing a bunch of new improvements, so we are seeing our counties. 00:14:50
You know. 00:14:55
Energy costs are way up. There's some energy efficiency going on that could help you with some savings and all that. So. 00:14:57
Not uncommon to see our counties have to consider a bond you know it's darn this inflation is just really been hard on us haven't. 00:15:05
I mean, we've really seen stuff double. 00:15:13
And especially in the rural areas now you're not quite so rural, but you're still somewhat rural. And when we're opening bits now, 00:15:17
we're kind of falling off our chairs. 00:15:21
Now it's going to take you all a while to get all of your engineering and all your architectural and all of your. 00:15:27
Your master planning documents done. So let's hope over the next year or so we start to see some of that cost rate go down. 00:15:33
OK, umm. 00:15:42
So in talking to Marin and to James a little bit in terms of our presentation. 00:15:42
We started off with, well, what projects might you bond for? We shared that with you. And while you don't really have any cost 00:15:49
estimates at the moment, maybe a little bit what what are you thinking? 00:15:56
So just for starters, and bear with us here because these numbers are definitely going to change if you decide to move forward. 00:16:03
Down below, you can see we're assuming about a $30 million project here between the new administrative facility and the reposition 00:16:10
of your campus potentially and some additional improvements in this building. 00:16:17
Outside what's being budgeted? 00:16:24
All good. So the county's doing a good job with your general fund, you're doing a good job with your cash. And we have to manage 00:16:26
our cash. We have to be, we have to have our cushions, right. But more than likely the county will be able to utilize some cash to 00:16:33
reduce your borrowing if this project moves forward. So we started with 30. 00:16:40
And we assumed a new admin somewhere around 25 in the courthouse renovation somewhere around 5 million. So let's go with 30 00:16:48
million for the moment. OK, OK. That's that's kind of our starting point. 00:16:55
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this. We've spent time on this before. Counties have a lot of options when they want to 00:17:04
pursue their capital improvement plan. 00:17:08
And the most common option is what we've done for you before and that is the revenue bonds that Mary mentioned, very efficient 00:17:13
ways in which the county would pledge revenues. You're a AA minus county. If you remember, we'll try to get you in that AA 00:17:21
category. You're a strong county. You're very respected in the marketplace. So we would probably. 00:17:29
And All in all, likely go go forward like we have in the past with this revenue bond. 00:17:37
And then all the other options up on top. 00:17:43
All the infrastructure projects our counties do, you can see our PS PRS down down there as well. 00:17:46
On the left hand side, all the options up on the top under state law and having worked with your county for many, many years, I 00:17:53
know that you all take issue and death very seriously and you're very careful and you're very measured. So I don't think you want 00:18:00
to have a property tax. We're not suggesting that that's allowable under the law. And the rest of them are just other options out 00:18:07
there. So we're going to focus on the revenue bond unless you tell us otherwise. 00:18:14
That's more than likely the direction we're probably going to go. 00:18:22
OK. So we won't spend a lot of time on that? 00:18:25
This is your outstanding debt we've had the privilege of working with you all here over the years and I think what I'm going to do 00:18:29
is go to this pie chart that we did was really good I. 00:18:33
This thing's a little sensitive, isn't it? OK. 00:18:40
So you've got me back up here a little bit, sorry. 00:18:43
You have about 25,000,000 in debt. 00:18:47
Bottom right hand corner. 00:18:51
Page. 00:18:53
Page 8. This is a summary of all your debt. 00:18:58
On the left hand side is our copper administration building down below that's coming off the books this year. You had your final 00:19:02
payment is done OK. 00:19:07
We then did. In 2019 we did. 00:19:12
A bond issue for. 00:19:18
An animal shelter and TCM complex. I forgot what? Oh, that's that. Tommy Martin with Tommy Martin Thomas. Thank you. 00:19:20
OK. So that was about 8.7 million for capital improvements and then in 2019 we get a refunding, saved you a bunch of money. 00:19:28
As you can see. And then in 2020 we get a $16.8 million pension bond, remember. 00:19:42
So good move on that. 00:19:50
We got 2 to 3% money if you remember to refinance, 7.2% money. 00:19:53
And we saved the county over 14,000,000, what they call expected savings. 00:19:58
We wired 18,000,000 to PSPRS. 00:20:04
In 2020, we're in 2024 now pushing 2025 and that money's been working pretty strong because the markets have been up. 00:20:08
So you won on low interest rates and so far we've won with performance at PSPR, so all good there. 00:20:17
That was a. 00:20:27
I know that you all took that very seriously. We ended up doing it and All in all, I think everybody's happy with our pension 00:20:28
bond. So I guess my point on this was a. 00:20:32
Your public pension is the largest component of your balance. 00:20:39
And as you know, public pensions have what? 00:20:44
The unfunded liabilities of public pensions, including ASRS, are something that we all have to deal with on a budgetary basis, but 00:20:47
they're large unfunded liabilities. 00:20:52
So we tried to address yours with the pension bond and so far so good. 00:20:57
OK. So that's give you a reminder on the history. This is the various debt service payments. You're about 2.3 million a year, 00:21:01
pretty much level on all of those debt obligations. 00:21:07
So as a percent of your budget, that's very reasonable. OK, Your county's been very careful and very measured with regard to 00:21:14
issuing bonds over the years. So let's go 2.3652 point 3,000,000 if you want around. 00:21:22
And if I look in the interest rate column, I really like 1 and 2% money. I even like that .505 to 2.3 on a pension bond, if you 00:21:30
remember. 00:21:36
OK. The 10 year treasury was less than 1% and it hit 4 1/2 this year as you know. 00:21:42
So we took advantage of our opportunity on that. So I like, I like all this so far. 00:21:50
And then this is a nice little pie chart and what I just went over for you. 00:21:55
On your debt, On your debt load. 00:22:02
At 2.3 million per year, OK. These are pledged revenues. If you remember all counties, how all counties do it, we've simplified 00:22:04
this and turned it into a very strong credit for our Arizona counties and you had about 16,000,000 there in 2324, total revenues, 00:22:11
pledged revenues. 00:22:18
My apologies here, darn it. 00:22:26
So. 00:22:29
If we do a bond issue in the future, of course this is the pledged revenues, which is primarily your county general fund. 00:22:32
You had a Goodyear about 4.9 million in 2223. Looks like 2324 estimated be about 4.6 million, so not too far off. 00:22:39
Our state shared revenues are pretty consistent, pretty strong at about nine and a half million a year. 00:22:50
And as you know, we got to deduct our all techs and our access, right? 00:22:55
That's your portion and they net that out before it comes back to the county. 00:23:00
So that's a net, what we call a net state shared pledgeable revenue. Our vehicle license taxes remain strong. I just bought a new 00:23:05
vehicle and I about fell off my chair when I saw what the BLT was. We've all been there. 00:23:12
But a great revenue stream for our cities and our counties. 00:23:20
OK Pelt, pretty strong, so good job there. Umm. 00:23:23
2324 looks like you're up a half a million. 00:23:28
So we'll take it. And then you conservatively budget for 2425. So let's go 16,000,000 on pledged revenues, strong number. 00:23:32
And then let's get down to the bottom line. As we wrap up here, interest rates are, as you know, dropping. 00:23:40
So here's here's the there's the spike in interest rates over the last couple of years driven by what inflation, right, that we're 00:23:47
all we're all struggling with. And the Fed, as you know, has been tapping the brakes and they tapped them last week at 50 basis 00:23:54
points. So we're hoping going into 25 and the fourth quarter of 24, we're starting to see rates kind of go back down. Mortgage 00:24:01
rates are dropping a little bit, right? 00:24:08
Very much needed. 00:24:16
And so I guess on this little spreadsheet here is to give you an idea, if you look in this column right here where it says AAA 00:24:19
rated. 00:24:23
Tax exempt bonds, 2:30 to 352. 00:24:31
We did, we did boss one year boss from Healer County. We'll start with 2:30 to 325. You're not a AAA yet, so you have price a 00:24:35
little higher than that. So I'm thinking if you were in the market today, we probably have you know, 35375 line. 00:24:43
Not bad, we like 2% money. We got a little spoiled. 00:24:51
Right. We had 2 1/2 percent mortgage money. Remember I got 2 7/8, so I was lucky. So I don't know that we're ever going back to 00:24:57
those, but I would say three and a half, 375. 00:25:04
4% money is pretty good money. 00:25:12
So we ran some numbers here in a moment at 4 1/2. I think it is. So we're going to be, we have to be conservative. 00:25:14
OK. I'm moving along here and then I'll pause in a moment. OK, a lot of numbers here, but here's basically what what Meredith 00:25:23
asked us to do. 00:25:27
If we could afford a $2,000,000 long term payment out of our budget. 00:25:35
OK, reasonable. 00:25:41
Out of your general fund budget for the next 20 years and they're they're comfortable with that number at the moment. 00:25:44
And we amortize the bonds over 20 years and we use 4 1/2%. Marin asked me how much do we raise? So it's really simple math. 00:25:50
There's a 2 million in column 6. 00:25:56
And I solved it at 4 1/2 percent we get you 26,000,000. 00:26:04
OK. 00:26:09
That's close to the numbers that we talked about. I've got 30 million for the two projects. And then we said, well, let's just 00:26:12
share with the board. 00:26:16
Again, we know. We know you're careful. 00:26:21
If you want to go out 25 years, these buildings last. As you all know, they last a long time. 00:26:24
And maybe one of the pros of debt is you amortize it over a longer period of time to let future generations help pay for some of 00:26:30
the debt service. 00:26:35
That's the advantage of going longer. That's kind of a policy decision by the board. 00:26:40
But if we go out five more years, we'll get you another $3,000,000 Simple now. 00:26:46
So call that pushing 30. 00:26:51
If we wanted to go a little longer on our amortization. 00:26:54
OK. Let's wrap up and then we'll have some questions of the Board. Here's our Yuma project in the event itself, where you may have 00:27:00
heard about it from your colleagues on the Board. 00:27:06
There's their building. It's downtown. They actually purchased a building and tore it down. 00:27:12
Location, location, location, right? And they wanted to have it downtown. 00:27:19
And they're right in the middle of it. They're halfway done as they're going vertical. 00:27:23
And that budget somewhere around 60 million and we got the detail in there for you to look and I think all and everybody's pretty 00:27:29
happy with it and I think it's All in all coming on or around budget. 00:27:35
With no major change orders that I'm aware of. 00:27:42
$60 million administrative facility in downtown. 00:27:46
OK. Hope that's helpful to you. 00:27:50
Next Steps Chatted with with Marin and James and the team. 00:27:53
About next steps, of course, would be to hire your construction professionals and your architects. 00:27:59
And. 00:28:07
Yuma County did this where you, they hired an owner's representative and Mr. Humphrey, I know you're a contractor. You, you know 00:28:09
this way better than I do. 00:28:13
But hire a consider hiring a construction Rep or what they call an owners Rep. 00:28:18
There's a couple of them out there. 00:28:25
Bring them in the room to help you get your arms around your projects. They know construction costs, they know cost per square 00:28:27
feet, and they can help. Then if you want help, retain an architect. 00:28:33
I have a team of people here and then once an architect is on board. 00:28:40
And you start the design process by meeting with all appropriate county staff and elected officials. 00:28:44
What do you want? I'm talking about the new building, for example. How do we want to design it? How many square feet do we need in 00:28:51
the treasurer's office? All of those things go into it. 00:28:56
And then start to put together the design. And then based on the design, start to put together the cost testimonies. 00:29:02
Now that's probably going to take you a year. 00:29:10
Depending upon how fast you want to move it. 00:29:13
And then once the design is done and then you figure out your construction procurement a couple different ways on that. 00:29:18
See them at risk with a guaranteed match price or you do a traditional design bid build. Again, that's where an owners Rep and an 00:29:26
architect can be helpful in the bidding market. What is in the best interest of the county? 00:29:32
So that's that's down the road for you, but for you to be thinking about. 00:29:40
So that's, I know staff's been in touch with a few professional firms in that regard. 00:29:44
Continue to communicate with our Board of Supervisors. 00:29:51
Keeping everybody up to date on the cost estimates and the design process. 00:29:55
And then if you want to proceed and you want to do a bond, we'll probably talking first quarter of 26, second quarter of 26. 00:30:01
Or faster, depending upon, again, how fast the county wants to move. 00:30:12
And then construction will commence shortly after the sale of bonds and when you award some form of a construction contract. 00:30:16
So with that, that concludes my presentation. I hope that was helpful to the board and. 00:30:24
All glad to answer any questions. 00:30:29
Thank you very much for the presentation, and thank you very much for all that you've done for us in the past in helping us get to 00:30:33
where we are today. Supervisor Klein. 00:30:39
Mark, thank you. 00:30:46
Good, good information, all of it. I mean, there's, there's a lot to think about on this. It really is. And, and you've worked 00:30:50
with this enough to know that we are pretty conservative when it comes to money and everything else. But so that's, that's going 00:30:56
to be the big question. We're living in a world right now with a lot of uncertainties until after probably the first of the year 00:31:02
and, and so. 00:31:08
You know, I there, there is a lot to discuss and there's a lot to discuss with the group and, and everything as far as that goes. 00:31:14
We do have a lot of needs, legitimate needs. It's just for me personally, how do I balance that with my, our taxpayers? You know, 00:31:21
that's where that's where I'm at. So, but this is really good and it's something I want to keep looking at and talk about some 00:31:28
more. 00:31:34
Yeah, I, like I said, I, I appreciate all you've done. I I like looking forward and, and it and it and I'm the kind of guy rather 00:31:45
than put a Band-Aid on it, let's, let's fix it because it's just going to get more expensive down the road if we put a Band-Aid on 00:31:52
it. A new facility. I didn't know anything about a new facility or maybe I just didn't pay any attention when that came up because 00:31:59
I, I think we have some good facilities. 00:32:07
A lot of a lot of work. But anyway, yeah, I, I, you know, like you say, without raising taxes, this is a good way to go if, if we 00:32:14
can get money reasonable enough, rather than to break the Piggy Bank, it's better if you can get low interest money and spread it 00:32:23
over a period of time. So, you know, 2 million, two million a year. 00:32:31
Gets you 30 million. Like I say, a stitch in time saves 9. 00:32:40
So with construction costs, I, I don't see them going down. Everybody says, and they've gone down a little bit, but that's like 00:32:44
gas prices. Once they get it up there, you're not going to see dollar fifty gas. I don't think so. But anyway, I, I thank you very 00:32:52
much for taking the time today. I apologize that Mister Menlo's not here and Mr. Christensen's not here. I'm sure on a work 00:32:59
session there would be probably a lot more comments and maybe more questions. 00:33:06
Come up. But I know you're available and you've helped us a lot. And, and like I say, I appreciate you being here today and, and 00:33:14
the presentation and, and the way this is laid out. It's, it's very nice and, and easy to understand of, of where we've been and 00:33:21
where we would be if we choose to go forward with a lot of these projects that we, that we need to get done because we've got, 00:33:29
we've got more projects than, than we have. 00:33:36
Finance money right now and so. 00:33:44
It's a good way to go. And thank you for your presentation. Thank you for the compliments. I appreciate that. I hope to see you at 00:33:47
CSA soon. 00:33:50
And then I had a question in terms of going back to Phoenix. I got to go to the airport. Should I go up through pumpkin center 00:33:54
Roosevelt or should I go back around Kearney? And I would go around the lake If I yeah, it it's it's a lot better view, lot better 00:34:02
Rd. You know, because the road from from here to Jakes corner is a brand new road. You can set cruise control snakes road. And 00:34:09
then you hit the the B line, the 87 and it's a a straight shot down to Phoenix. The other one is. 00:34:17
Haley and Windy and kind of crazy. No sheriff, son. Don't worry about any sheriff. 00:34:25
I just have called Supervisor Klein if you. 00:34:30
Drive careful, Mark. 00:34:41
Keep in touch and Mary did a great job on this. She told me to simplify it, so yeah. 00:34:44
Thank you so much. 00:34:50
And we'll see you guys soon. I got some questions for you, Mr. Chair, if I may. Yes, please do. 00:34:52
So. 00:35:02
You know, we've had a lot of conversations on different things and us as a county, we're just very spread out building wise. And 00:35:04
so you know this you're looking at this and looking at some options that is a way of consolidating some things. Has there been any 00:35:12
discussion say like if we took out the the building at Apache Blvd. 00:35:20
The building down here, some other ones, how much money would that save us a year and just maintenance. So that's something that 00:35:29
we are going to. 00:35:34
Depending on your perspective, we're hoping to bring forward a proposal to work with an architect to come up with that calculation 00:35:40
for you. We know at the very least it would save us the cost of the roof and the HVAC on the Central Heights project, which is 00:35:47
over two and a half, $1,000,000. That's a year of debt service right there. And part of what we run into, as I'm sure you remember 00:35:55
from previous discussions is. 00:36:02
We have our expenditure limit. 00:36:10
And the state tells us we can't spend our own money. You have money in the bank that you can't use without facing a penalty from 00:36:13
the state. Whereas when you leverage debt service, the debt service is removed from that calculation. 00:36:21
So this would, if you chose to move forward with project financing, that would free up funding to use throughout the year on 00:36:30
projects without having to pay the state a penalty, which is a challenge. Alan McGuire was at the last conference we were at. I 00:36:37
don't know if you remember him from some of your CSA projects, but Alan was on the original group that built that expenditure 00:36:43
limit. 00:36:50
And he's working with several counties to try to get it fixed. 00:36:58
Because it is problematic. It's especially problematic for all the counties because the opioid settlement money that I'm sure 00:37:02
you're familiar with from the one Arizona settlement is not excludable from your expenditure limit. So. 00:37:10
Several counties are facing an opportunity. 00:37:21
Where they're going to be choosing between whether they spend their opioid settlement monies to achieve those necessary outcomes 00:37:26
or if they have to go out. And it's called a certificate of participation. It's a short term bond for 366 days where you borrow 00:37:35
the money that you need to stay under your expenditure limit and then pay it back the first day of the following year. 00:37:44
And I know that that gives you both. Well all three of you have Supervisor Christensen was here. It gives you all. 00:37:54
The beginnings of an ulcer because you hate the idea of borrowing money just to play games with numbers. So we're trying to 00:38:01
proactively think of ways that we can help you serve the constituents better, help you be more energy efficient if possible, and 00:38:09
still stay within that expenditure limit without having to do anything goofy. 00:38:17
That I'm right, and even as I'm saying it sounds goofy, like I should be here with a shovel. 00:38:27
Just piling it on because it sounds like nonsense when I say it and we're in a ranching area, so there's plenty of that already, 00:38:32
right? But the cost savings would that would require some engineering to evaluate for us to get back to your original question, 00:38:40
the engineering firms that we've just talked to to find out if they offer those kinds of services. 00:38:49
It looks like what they would start with. 00:38:59
They would take our existing square footage, the departments that are housed in those square feet, and how the space both serves 00:39:02
the public and internal departments, and they would compute. 00:39:09
Like a working average. So let's say that Supervisor Humphries offices a certain size and Supervisor Klein's office is a certain 00:39:17
size and Supervisor Christensen's office is a certain size. They would make sure that that size and efficiency stayed the same in 00:39:25
the new facility. And then they would use that data across all the healing county departments to make sure that. 00:39:33
There could be the same level of service that there would be room for growth and that if you choose. 00:39:42
To consider new construction. 00:39:49
That we would reduce duplicate spaces. So like let's say right now across all of the HeLa County offices and Globe, we have 10 00:39:53
different kitchens and lunch rooms. Well, if we were all in one building, we wouldn't need 10 different kitchens, but you wouldn't 00:40:00
need 30 microwaves or what have you. So they would propose consolidating to save funds that way, right, So that you don't have 00:40:07
duplicate uses of space. 00:40:15
They would also propose things to save money, like going with a high energy efficiency building so that the building itself would 00:40:22
just cost less in your monthly APS bill and things like that. But these are pieces that we would need your permission at a regular 00:40:30
meeting to go forward and even ask those questions officially, right? Not just us, like asking while we're networking with people, 00:40:37
like what the options are. 00:40:45
But to actually have a formal consultation where an organization would come in and talk to us and they wouldn't try to fit us. I 00:40:52
thought the presentation was was still up. They wouldn't try to fit us into like a, a scaled version of Yuma County. They would do 00:40:59
what what Gila County needs and what Gila County's people need to ensure that our constituents have access to everything they 00:41:06
need. 00:41:13
And the way that. 00:41:21
We asked Stifel to put this together would include. 00:41:23
The facilities that we own being updated and being. 00:41:29
Sort of retrofitted to do what we need to do. So like the elevator out here. 00:41:34
And the roof and things like that would still get done, right? We wouldn't wouldn't continue to forestall preventative maintenance 00:41:40
and you know, and sort of moving forward to make sure that that we don't run into what we're in right now, right when you have 00:41:47
sticker shock when facilities brought you the list of projects that needed done because they had been put off by previous 00:41:53
administration. 00:41:59
We are going to be living with the consequences of previous administrations choices for a while. 00:42:07
And unfortunately, they're not here for us to throw wet noodles at. So those of us who are here are, are going to, you know, face 00:42:14
the, the firing squad for that. And, and that's OK. That's a responsibility that we all accept. And, and we're willing to to face 00:42:22
that difficulty in order to make sure that going forward, we don't get back in this situation. 00:42:31
So, Mr. Chair, for me, Marin, we have like the property on 260 in Payson. 00:42:40
You know, my opinion is it's worth quite a bit of money that we're never going to use ourselves. I don't see us ever using that. 00:42:47
The proper building down here, the modulars, they have about outlived their lifetimes, you know, and so we have these things 00:42:54
sitting out there. So, so, so let's take like the property on 260 if we all came to terms and we wanted to go ahead and pursue 00:43:00
selling that property. 00:43:06
Then that would just be put into an account that would help us pay like towards this $2,000,000, let's just say a year or 00:43:12
something like that. Or that would be up to the board. And that is something that if you wanted the engineers to evaluate what 00:43:21
that could do, they could build that into one of their or several of their. 00:43:29
Approaches, right? Because they're not just going to bring you one plan and be like here, this is it. Do it. They're going to 00:43:39
bring you choices. 00:43:42
So that you have the information that you need with the professional preparation without worrying whether all the questions have 00:43:46
been asked, right? Because you'll have that opportunity to ask those questions and will be. 00:43:54
Assuming you, you choose to move forward will be engaging the professionals. So you're not counting on us as staff to to ask 00:44:02
questions that maybe we're not astute enough to to ask or we're not because we're not in the business of doing that. We don't know 00:44:09
to ask ahead of time. 00:44:15
No, but you're gonna get the questions to ask on the dollars though. Absolutely. So questions on the dollars, I'm fine answering. 00:44:23
It's, it's the questions on how do we make the buildings more efficient and how do we serve our people that I struggle with. 00:44:30
And we were dealt the hand we have, you know, when we came on board, we were dealt with a lot of a lot of stuff that needed fixed. 00:44:40
And, you know, I don't know what Supervisor Humphrey thinks, but when I look back at it, we've come a long way already. We've done 00:44:46
a lot, you know, and so. 00:44:52
It's just to me, I wish I had that crystal ball that you could look in the future because you know, yeah, you could go. We could 00:45:00
go on and and fix just about everything that needed fixed, but. 00:45:05
I'm still concerned. 00:45:11
About our constituents in Hilah County and tax bases and things like that. You know, it's, it's like. 00:45:14
Do we want to drive something out to work at the bottom does fall out like back in 08 or something like that? Then what do we do? 00:45:22
Can we handle it with what we got without raising the taxes still and doing things like that? Oh, those are the kind of questions 00:45:27
that I have. 00:45:32
The other thing I think it really. 00:45:38
Really, really needs to be hammered down. 00:45:41
Just exactly what do we need? 00:45:46
We can all sit around and create a wish list, that's easy. But what is it? Do we absolutely need to function as a county? And so 00:45:49
so just just so you. 00:45:55
Can sleep tonight. 00:46:03
When I was preparing the 2025 budget, I did project out. 00:46:06
The next. 00:46:11
This is going to sound ridiculous to you both. I projected out the next 30 years and if we were to bond for a significant project, 00:46:13
what that would do, what our ongoing ability to invest in construction would be like so we could make sure that we kept our 00:46:20
preventative maintenance going. 00:46:26
What it would do to our cash flow reserves, right, Because you have the reserve but you want to keep it, you don't want us to 00:46:33
spend it. 00:46:37
This $2,000,000. 00:46:42
In the imaginary presentation that's not there anymore, the $2,000,000 was the number that I came up with based on that was that 00:46:45
that's how much more debt service we can fit in over the next 30 years without adversely affecting your cash balance, which is 16 00:46:52
and a half, $1,000,000 right now. And that's, that's an accomplishment of this board to, to keep that on the balance sheet and not 00:46:59
mess with it. 00:47:06
And that $2,000,000 a year would also ensure. 00:47:14
That we weren't running into the expenditure limit. 00:47:17
So it. 00:47:23
It seemed like overkill while I was preparing the budget, but I keep seeing these growing lists of capital projects and these 00:47:25
lists of incomplete preventative maintenance from from the past eight, 1012 years. And I wanted to make sure that the budget you 00:47:33
adopted earlier this summer wasn't going to put you in a situation that we couldn't recover from. 00:47:41
If the bottom were to fall out. 00:47:50
As you stipulated, it would affect our excise tax and it would affect our state share revenue most, right, because those are your 00:47:52
sales taxes. 00:47:57
That's part of why we built PILT into the pledged revenue bonds when we first went out for PSPRS and Potomac Klein Martin building 00:48:04
and the animal shelter. 00:48:09
Because we wanted to make sure that if something were to happen to the economy, that our constituents, your constituents would not 00:48:16
be facing a tax increase because we can't increase taxes to pay pledged revenue bonds. That's the beauty of a pledged revenue 00:48:23
bond. If you were to choose a general obligation bond, that would require us going to the constituents and saying, hey, we're 00:48:31
going to potentially raise taxes in the future. We would have to put. 00:48:38
On the ballot and it would have to pass for the majority vote from the constituents. That's a perfectly valid option if you would 00:48:46
like to do that. Sledge Revenue is safer for your constituents. It is safer for. 00:48:54
The entire county and it's safer for the investors, right, because they can see, we report every year, they can see that our 00:49:03
revenue was holding up. So when Mark referred to the $16,000,000 earlier and that's $16,000,000 we have coming in, that's 00:49:10
currently paying 2.1 million on the PSPRS bond, the copper building which she said the last payments this year and the Tommy Klein 00:49:18
Martin and animal shelter. 00:49:25
So you've got 16 point, I think it's 16.8, it's 16,000,000 servicing 2 million. So you've got another 14 million in capacity that 00:49:33
you could use. Obviously, we wouldn't want to do that. You don't want to have $16,000,000 in annual debt service. That's crazy. 00:49:42
The other thing that we didn't include in this presentation because we're just not at that point when you choose to go for a bond. 00:49:53
You're required by federal law to expend the money within three years. You're required by federal law to be at least 65% of the 00:50:02
way through the project within the 1st 18 months. 00:50:07
So you have to scale whatever you're borrowing to be whatever you can achieve in that length of time. 00:50:13
Which also drives the dollar amount, right? So it's what you can do in debt service and what you can conceivably get done in a 00:50:19
three-year time frame. If you don't do it within three years, you start paying penalties on the money you borrowed. 00:50:27
So it's sort of difficult to simultaneously scale those things while being aware of, you know, the potential that the economy 00:50:35
might hiccup. But we've tried to bring all those into consideration before we even brought this to you for even as a talking point 00:50:44
today. And, and again, this is a work session item. This is purely information. 00:50:52
We're not asking you to make a decision today. 00:51:01
Should you choose to advise staff to go forward, all we would be doing right off the bat would be potentially bringing you the 00:51:05
state contract to approve us working with Stifel. 00:51:12
And potentially a state contract to approve working with an architect and potentially an owner's representative. And even if I 00:51:21
even if you told me to do it today, we couldn't even have that to you until the second meeting in October. 00:51:29
So I. 00:51:40
I apologize, Supervisor Humphrey, that this conversation didn't get had before. I must have misunderstood something that I had 00:51:41
heard that that we had. 00:51:46
Had management discussions with each of the supervisors about the potential of a new building. I apologize for that. I will make 00:51:53
sure that I. 00:51:57
Follow up better on on those kinds of discussions and not trust that I wrote it down right in a meeting. 00:52:03
The the potential location. 00:52:11
Would require quite a bit of groundwork, but it would be this back corner of the property over here is what would potentially be 00:52:14
the new footprint for that. 00:52:19
And it's it would be a significant undertaking, but looking forward five years in the future, we wanted to make sure that that we 00:52:25
were empowering you to have these conversations and thoughts now so that you have time to think about it and time to evaluate what 00:52:34
your options are. As supervisor client said, there are plenty of facilities and properties that we could definitely. 00:52:42
Include in an evaluation. 00:52:52
So, Mr. Chairman. 00:52:55
You know. 00:52:58
There's there's more than one goal. I mean, one of the goals would be is just a consolidation of of county people. 00:53:01
You know, and, and, and quit this scattered out stuff. You know, we've, we've, we have these buildings, we still have the 00:53:09
Michelson building setting down here right to, to do something with the ad that's. 00:53:15
Don't we have an idea with the city of Globe on that job? 00:53:23
We did have. I don't think the city of Clovis got their funding to do their part. 00:53:28
They've gotten. 00:53:33
The ICA was prepared. 00:53:38
I'd prefer to three months ago. 00:53:43
I don't know what it is. 00:53:47
OK, Michael, go ahead. You're a supervisor's. Yeah, as far as the Microsoft goes, I can give you a quick update on that. So as Joe 00:53:48
said, the city of go overseas, Dearmont money about two years ago, $750,000 and they have to come up with a 25% match. That money 00:53:56
is going to be used to remodel the entire inside of the Michelson building to make a incubator for local businesses. 00:54:05
And on Gila Counties end, Mr. Menlove has instructed our facilities department to remove all the old equipment and furniture 00:54:14
that's damaged as being stored in the building on the 1st floor. We're going to be removing that. And then we're also going to be 00:54:21
getting a contract price on demolishing the entire inside to get it ready for the City globe to do tomorrow. So that's where we 00:54:29
are right there if you have any questions. 00:54:36
Be happy to answer that. 00:54:44
So there was there was a one point in time, a discussion about. 00:54:48
An IGA with the city of Globe and Gila County. 00:54:53
For the CD Globe to turn over the earmark money to Gila County so our facilities department can manage the, you know, the model 00:54:57
project. But I think that hit a snag with federal requirements right now. My last conversation with City Globe is that they 00:55:04
believe the federal guidelines will not allow them to give the money to Gila County to manage the project. They have to manage the 00:55:10
Romano project themselves. 00:55:17
So refresh my memory, Michael, when this is all done on the Michelson building, were we still going to own that building or we 00:55:25
were we going to work a deal with Globe to for them to take ownership of that? We have owned the building, but it's going to be a 00:55:31
joint incubator for business building use. That's exactly that's where they'll be used for. 00:55:38
Okay, you know, I had these questions, you know, because this seems to be dragging on that particular project quite a bit. So I 00:55:45
was curious where we are and where Globe is and. 00:55:50
All that, it's been a challenge in talking with the city of Globe, it's been a challenge accessing this $750,000 so we could start 00:55:56
doing model of that. 00:56:01
They've had a challenge getting through that 750,000. 00:56:07
Is that because of their match money or no? They have the match money, it's just the process and how they have to go about access 00:56:12
the grant money on the federal side. 00:56:16
Because as we all know, we learned a couple years ago when the earmarks came back into play, the federal government would give the 00:56:22
money to a department that they felt was best suited to pass the money through for the local organization. And a lot of times 00:56:29
those federal agencies do not have a process in place to be passed through grants. They actually have to create a new pathway, 00:56:36
which can take a little bit of time on the federal government side. 00:56:43
So I would think that, you know, if there's a way that we could ever work towards consolidating more people, getting us on these 00:56:51
buildings, getting rid of some of these buildings, that's going to generate savings to the county. 00:56:57
Just from the facilities part, maintenance and so forth. 00:57:04
To some extent, I mean isn't going to pay for everything we would want to spend to to build new stuff or fix stuff, but it would 00:57:09
help. I mean that would show. 00:57:14
So it's being pretty responsible for our properties at the county owns and everything. And we've still, we've talked about it, you 00:57:21
know, in other lands we've talked about is Buckhead Mesa once that's done and maybe consolidating the Pine Road yard, the 00:57:27
Buckhead, Buckhead Mesa, which gives us more property to get rid of. 00:57:33
We still have 7 pieces of property in Winkelman and Aden the county owns outright. 00:57:39
That we needed to let go, get it sold, get it out there and back on Tactical so. 00:57:45
These are all questions that I see for me that that are pretty important. We can't just keep. 00:57:52
Adding building, whatever you may say and keep scrolling out, we need to, we need to somehow rein that in and do what we need to 00:57:59
do there. And Lord knows we have a plenty to fix legitimate issues to fix Fairgrounds Electric, this building and you, you have 00:58:05
seen a long list of projects. 00:58:11
Mr. Chair, right now, that's all I have. OK. Yeah. I, I kind of feel like I was led down a path today to create a new magic 00:58:18
building that's going to fix everything, and I don't, I don't. 00:58:24
I didn't, I didn't come prepared for a new magic building. It's going to fix everything. I thought we were going to reach for some 00:58:33
money to kind of repair the things that we have and work within the things that we have. Because I, you know, if I've got an older 00:58:40
truck that needs an engine, is it, let's just throw it away and go buy a new one because it's cheaper to pay $2,000,000 a year 00:58:46
than it is. 00:58:53
Whatever it is to fix it so and there again, I don't know if we borrow money, if we have to spend it in three years. 00:59:00
We can't spend it in fixing some of the older buildings. That's why we're just going to build a new magic building because we can 00:59:07
do that in three years and that'll lead up to $30 million instead of trying to do the electrical in this building that may take 00:59:14
three years just to get that organized, so. 00:59:20
As this list as the list, I apologize that that wasn't clear. As the list lays out, we would still be fixing this building. 00:59:28
This building, when we get the new Magic building, what are we going to do with all these buildings that we've been fixing? 00:59:37
Well, some of them like like the Apache Blvd. the school over there, we would just be turning that back. Yeah, we don't own the 00:59:47
Central Heights building. I understand, right. And this building with the expected growth in court services in the next 5 to 10 00:59:54
years, we would this entire building could be used by court services. 01:00:00
OK. And by this is the first I've heard of that. 01:00:08
We're sort of at that difficult teeter totter of. 01:00:14
Giving you too much information and apparently not enough information. So again, I apologize. I had been told you don't you don't 01:00:19
need to apologize. You know, I mean, that's why we have work sessions and that's why I get frustrated that we don't have more work 01:00:25
sessions. So I don't get kind of pushed in a direction that's a direction we need to go because then I feel like this and it's 01:00:31
like, wait a minute, I I. 01:00:37
I don't know why I'm going down this hallway because OK, in what, in a few years our court system can use this whole building 01:00:44
being I just heard that today. OK, what, what's the state going to kick into that? Or is that the counties responsibility for, for 01:00:51
all of this that's going on? I, you know, I mean, that's why I like to have work sessions because I don't like to walk around 01:00:58
blind. And sometimes I feel that you're just there to say yes and make a motion and pass the motion and. 01:01:06
Take care of everything else. It's like I want to help in those decisions. I want to kind of know what the full, what the full 01:01:14
picture is, not just the piece that that I want to be shown. 01:01:19
That's fair. One of the things that I know was helpful in our previous financing was that we had prepared like a pocket 01:01:26
publication for each of you to have. If you choose to move forward or even if you just choose to move forward with a scaled 01:01:33
version of these projects, we would give you that so that when constituents have questions, you would have like a point of 01:01:41
reference that you could either share with your constituents. 01:01:48
Keep as reference for yourself because you don't want to carry this around. This is too much, right? This is the simplified 01:01:55
version, but it's still too much. And we would make sure that as we were developing that, that we worked with your executive 01:02:02
administrative assistant to make sure that any questions you had such as well, what would we use this building for so that those 01:02:08
are covered there so that you don't feel. 01:02:14
Like you feel today when your constituents have questions for you so that you could feel. 01:02:21
Prepared and empowered to to respond to those and umm. 01:02:26
The feedback that you provided us today is really useful and important and something that we will definitely make sure in the 01:02:34
future that when somebody tells me, oh, yeah, I talked to all three supervisors about this ahead of me coming in here and looking 01:02:41
like a clown actually got done. You don't look like a clown. Oh, I got the big rubber nose. You know, my two cents on all this is, 01:02:48
is like Supervisor Humphrey said this. 01:02:55
These are the only way we can sit down and talk, even me and him. I mean, we, we can't. I've, I've said it before and I'll say it 01:03:03
again, that one of the biggest injustices to me is the open meeting laws and the way they're set up. But when we have work 01:03:10
sessions like this, this is the way we both have a chance to talk and learn and, and, and get better ideas like from Mark and, and 01:03:17
you Marin on all this. I mean, this, this is put together very well. 01:03:24
With, with the projects, with the figures and everything like that and so. 01:03:32
You know, it, it starts making you think on what what's the best way going forward? I mean, if you look behind us, when we did the 01:03:36
Tumble Martin Fine building, when we did the animal shelter, when we bonded out PSPRS, those were absolutely good moves for us to 01:03:42
make. 01:03:47
We saved a lot of money from the PSPRS part of it, the animal shelter. We were getting ready to get kicked out of that over there, 01:03:54
and so we had. 01:03:59
A road to go down that was you didn't have to guess where you needed to go. That's what we needed to do. When you refinance 7% 01:04:05
money for 2% money, no doubt those are almost free, no doubt and and, and yeah, and so. 01:04:12
I think a magic new building would be a great thing, but at the same time I want to know what we're doing with with the other. 01:04:20
And and and properties that are sitting there, you know I. 01:04:27
I have been a supervisor for eight years and asked what's going on with the patient property a million times. 01:04:33
Even put some equipment up there and use the granite on our roads, something and. 01:04:40
And nothing's happened with it and so, but, but we can go forward and build a new one. OK, well. 01:04:48
Let's figure out some of the other things as well and and if and if there's any other more animals like the court system gonna 01:04:55
need this whole building of of years. 01:05:01
What other monsters are out there that you guys are slaying that I don't know anything about? You know, it would be. It would be 01:05:07
nice to know. 01:05:12
Hey, Leviathan Zoology. Next work session, Michael. 01:05:18
Yes, thank you, Chairman. Yeah, the magical new building, you should call it was just a conceptual discussion. It really wasn't a 01:05:22
building that we are designing or planning. Got a location? 01:05:29
They have a location, yes, yes. Anyways, it's a conceptual idea. And then the idea was to to gauge the opinion on the board 01:05:37
possibly moving forward with bonding issues. 01:05:43
And one of the struggles we have is. 01:05:50
Is with the copper building with and the parking lots, the the age of that those trailers that were put together over there are 01:05:52
coming to an end and, and all the repairs with the Central heights. So I believe what I'm hearing from you, Sir, is you want to 01:06:00
see more comprehensive plan from county administration facilities to to address some of these issues. And I couldn't I couldn't 01:06:07
agree with you more. I think that's that's the direction I will talk to Mr. Manblov and my staff about. 01:06:14
Get a more specific plan in place for for all of these bigger issues and present it in one package because I think we're piece 01:06:23
mealing it a little bit. So I agree with you, Sir. And I'll, I'll work with staff to get that done. 01:06:30
I agree with that. You know, if we just have an idea. 01:06:38
Not even an idea. We just have a direction that we all agree on and we're going to work towards going forward. You know that this 01:06:43
is what we want to do. Now, how we get there, that's going to involve some more discussion. But you know, do we want to shrink it 01:06:49
down on buildings? Do we want to fix and leave what's there? I mean, there's a lot of things, but like. 01:06:55
The one that is going to bite us is going to be that copper building down. 01:07:02
That's coming up. Your office might just do this one day, so. 01:07:07
Every time the AC starts, it shakes the wall. Yeah, yeah. And that's, I mean, that's something we were dealt and we deal with it. 01:07:13
That's fine. But. But yeah. 01:07:19
And, and yeah, and, and I understand too that, you know, this is just a work session so we can talk about things. So no, you don't 01:07:26
have the big rubber nose. This is just communication because none of this is we, we don't know of any savings or anything until 01:07:34
like you say, we hire professionals to kind of look at this and give us. 01:07:42
An idea of whether it's best to fix some of the things or or what can we do? 01:07:51
To better move forward. 01:07:57
With the new building or whatever we need to do. And, and so I, I guess what, what I'm needing to know, what I would like to know 01:08:01
is I understand what these professionals are going to do. They're going to look at, at cost and how we can best do what we can do 01:08:10
for the, for the, for the best cost, bang for buck. And, and so do we know really what these professionals are going to cost? 01:08:19
Do we know what what the? 01:08:29
What information we're going to ask them for, like to look at our property values that are sitting there and and what could we do 01:08:33
to bring that in to help the scope of work of what we need to do going forward. 01:08:41
Those would be included in the request for proposal from them. Sure. And so if, if, if this is kind of a work session to I mean, 01:08:49
I'm all for listening to professionals on, on. 01:08:57
On what we need to look at and be cost effective going forward with the space that may be needed going forward. 01:09:06
I, I, you know, I would like to, I would like to see what, what that magic number is, because either we can afford these 01:09:20
professionals, we have to borrow money to hire these professionals to see how we can borrow money to better help go forward. You 01:09:27
know what I mean? But but I would, I would be interested in hearing. 01:09:35
What what we can do to get better efficient? 01:09:44
On on where we need to go. 01:09:51
You know, one of the things I would say to that is too is, is that. 01:09:56
I, I feel like we, we need to start with the professionals we've got that are standing here. 01:10:02
You know, and us you've got ideas, you know, if you think about it while Michael Wood and everybody else, but then come out with 01:10:07
the with the with the consultant type to say, hey, this is what the group came up with the direction. Now how do we get there and 01:10:13
what's it going to cost? 01:10:19
You know how many Michael, how many employees now does he the county have 500 and something. 01:10:26
We have 463 full time active staff at the moment. 01:10:33
And a lot of those are in pacing or some of those are in and then we've got another 100 and 25130 budgeted that are not filled. 01:10:39
Ya. 01:10:47
You know, and so when it gets right down to it, the number of employees and and things like that, that we would if we went with 01:10:48
something to reduce buildings and consolidate, that's something to think about too. How many of those people would be moving been 01:10:54
somewhere else, I don't know. 01:11:00
And so I think that to me it just seems like. 01:11:07
As a county, we kind of need to know what what we want to do. I mean, we've talked about a lot of things here, but but you know, 01:11:12
myself and whoever you guys, you know, we need more thinking about it, but we definitely need more work sessions or another work 01:11:19
session on on something like where, what do we want to do? What are we going to go? And we definitely learned. 01:11:26
Some lessons during the Tommy Klein Martin development process about where we need to draw lines around. 01:11:34
That process so that it doesn't become an endless wish list, right, so that we can be reasonable about it and make sure that. 01:11:43
Our service to the community supports the growth or consolidation that we're looking at and not just Oh well, I want a bigger 01:11:55
office with a window. So where do I get that as opposed to OK, we're going to serve? 01:12:04
350 people a day, how do we make sure that we have enough ingress and egress and adequate staff service so that they can visit the 01:12:14
department that they need get served in a timely manner and then still be able to get on with their day and not take a day off 01:12:22
work, you know, to come interact with our staff and things like that. So and I know that over the past couple years the board has 01:12:29
really. 01:12:36
Smartly invested in digitization and other processes that are projected to improve our community service going forward and our 01:12:44
constituents access to information and those projects have taken longer than you expected. 01:12:53
So we may need to have like a chart on the wall that. 01:13:02
Cases our projects against whether or not we get the Forest Service admin site free and clear from Congress and we'll raise them 01:13:08
against each other and and we'll offer some illegal. 01:13:13
Off books, activities for people to wager on those. You may have to explain that sometime, Mary, but yeah, but think about it. You 01:13:20
could do that and have a fundraiser. Oh yeah, the nonprofit could do it. Yeah, there you go. But. 01:13:28
I know that the only thing slower than bureaucracy is documenting bureaucracy, and you've both encountered that a lot here today. 01:13:37
So I appreciate your patience and your willingness to to even entertain today's presentation. And I look forward to us having 01:13:43
better information for you that answers your questions and opens the door to more questions. The more we can talk, the happier I 01:13:50
am. 01:13:56
Chairman and Supervisor Klein. So yeah, one of the ideas here in this work session was to gauge your your thought process on 01:14:05
whether you'd be open to bonds for some of these projects. So I think, I think the next step is to have several work sessions and 01:14:12
to prioritize the list like Supervisor Humphrey was saying. 01:14:19
Current projects, current buildings, what we need in that we we do have a comprehensive list of what we need in the current 01:14:27
buildings. 01:14:31
They are old and they are, you know, there are similar pairs that need to be done. And then and then since it was just a 01:14:35
conceptual discussion, bring back the possible complex building discussion for, for many more conversations, because that is a big 01:14:43
project that's that would be that would involve staff trying to put together a package to work with. 01:14:51
Consultants to find out how much we would actually save with energy efficiencies. 01:15:01
HVAC's moving out of the Central Heights complex, those kinds of things like what the questions you're asking supervisor, that 01:15:06
would certainly be part of the discussion. So that, I believe is what the plan is moving forward, unless you have other ideas. 01:15:14
Yeah, No, I, I just feel as if we're looking at, at, at, at two different situations 1. 01:15:22
Being able to operate in what we have because. 01:15:31
If the electricity goes out of here, we can't operate in this building, so to me that's one thing. 01:15:36
And some of our other buildings that have aged, we need to function and we can't throw them away, just move into a new building. 01:15:42
So if we spend a lot of money fixing these. 01:15:54
Then to me it's a whole nother deal going forward to look at building something that can be more efficient in the future. 01:15:59
But if and if we do that, then we also need to know what we're going to do with what we leave behind. 01:16:07
You know, kind of like the schools, you see all these old schools that are falling down because the school did something more 01:16:15
energy efficient or whatever they did, but they didn't think about what they were doing with their old falling down schools. 01:16:21
And so to me, we're looking at fixing stuff and then we're looking at a new efficient building and, and to put those all together 01:16:29
as to me as I, I, you know, that's, that's. 01:16:35
That would be an awful lot of expense. And then we've got these buildings that are functional now, but it's got no electricity and 01:16:43
it'll function for a long time, but we're we're, we're building a new one in two years. So what are we going to do with this 01:16:48
efficient building? 01:16:54
That's all. No, I agree, Sir. And we'll keep those projects, if the current projects that we have listed for a priority, you know, 01:17:01
replacing the roof on this building, those kinds of things that need to get done, we'll certainly present in the next work 01:17:07
session, fleshy by the way, in the next work session, we'll certainly keep that separate and give you different lists and keep the 01:17:13
possible complex. 01:17:19
Concept in one work session and then the current project that we need. 01:17:26
It would also help in in in if we reach out for for borrowing money. 01:17:32
What are we borrowing money for? 01:17:39
And and and and where's that money gonna go? And what's that gonna do for us? And I'm all for looking down the road at what a new 01:17:43
facility would do for us. 01:17:48
But I think we have, I think we have more problems. 01:17:54
Right now then. 01:17:59
In the new building. But anyway, if that has been raked over the coals enough, sure, Marin's had all the fun she can have. Oh, I 01:18:01
don't know, we still got what, another five hours here at work today? 01:18:08
Yeah, OK. Supervisor trying to get anything else. No, I'm good. I, I appreciate this discussion and and I really appreciate Mark 01:18:17
and Mary and you guys are working on all this and I look forward to more so. 01:18:24
So we'll bring back more at the October 29th. 01:18:33
Work session that is correct. 01:18:37
You got it. Thank you. OK, thank you. Have a good day. Thanks. 01:18:40
OK, we're going to move on to regular agenda item 2D information discussion regarding an update on the activities of the Community 01:18:45
Development Department. 01:18:52
You got a pretty hard act to follow there, my friend. 01:19:03
It's a good thing there's only two of us today. 01:19:07
Good morning or afternoon close to I'm Randy Plummer of the Community Development Director, as you know morning supervisors. So 01:19:17
today what we're going to talk about is community development, an exciting department that deals with. 01:19:25
Building, zoning and code enforcement. Pretty much the three things that most of your constituents don't like. 01:19:33
But we have been looking at stuff and have been working with Michael and other departments to look at making things more efficient 01:19:42
and better for the constituents to deal with. 01:19:48
As you can see, one of the first things, one of the big questions we usually get asked is when do I need a building department or 01:19:54
building permit for? Well, to be honest with you, that's an impossible question to answer. It's, it's fast. There's a lot of 01:20:00
different things that incorporate into that how it's done, where it's done and all that good stuff. So what we did was, and these 01:20:06
are on our website. 01:20:12
First thing is what you don't need a permit for, so that's easier to address. 01:20:19
What you don't need a permit for, then what you do need a permit for? So we did it for both residential and commercial and they 01:20:26
said these are on our website and we hand them out at our front counters. So when someone comes in, do I need a permit for this? 01:20:35
We tried to hand this out and what we're really trying to accomplish here is to get people to call. 01:20:44
Can I get some of those handouts from my public meetings? Yes, Sir. Thank you. 01:20:54
We're really trying to get people to call in because this has been an issue with, I will tell you at every building department 01:21:00
that I deal with, which is all of Arizona, we have meetings, associations and stuff and getting people to call in and ask the 01:21:07
questions and then ask the right questions because they don't want to get a permit. So they'll turn around and try to tell you I'm 01:21:15
just doing a shed. Well, they don't tell you they're doing a shed in the floodplain next to the. 01:21:22
Yard line next to over the sewer system that is a foot off the property line. So that's where staff comes in and we got to ask 01:21:30
those questions. And sometimes people may or may not want to give us all of the information, but it's staff's responsibility to 01:21:38
help pursue that and to get the information so that we can provide that answer. 01:21:46
And what we've done to help incorporate that is twice a month now I combine both offices through Zoom and we have in house 01:21:55
training on very specific topics. 01:22:01
So that way that hopefully that no matter what office that you go to or what staff member you talk to, you will get the same 01:22:09
answer. And I know that people have complained in the past that oh, I went this way. I hear one thing. I went over here, talk to 01:22:15
someone else, got a different answer. Some of that is true and some of that is because they ask different questions in a different 01:22:22
way. I want this shed on my property. 01:22:29
There's a whole lot different than what I really want to shed in the floodplain. 01:22:36
And then we find out, well, it's next to the property line. So I mean some of the confusion can come from not getting all of the 01:22:40
information and that's what we're working with staff to. 01:22:47
Ask that question. I will tell you tomorrow we will have in house training on investigation and to find out what's going on, on 01:22:55
prior buildings, what happened on prior buildings. So they get a permit. They did not get a permit. Why didn't they get a permit? 01:23:02
Did someone say it didn't need a permit? And so we're going to have all of the staff members. 01:23:09
Not the inspectors, but they'll be out in field doing inspections and all the office staff, permit, tax plans, examiner planning, 01:23:18
we'll all be in that kind of training and we're doing that twice a month. 01:23:24
So this is all good stuff and part of the issues that you guys have helped support is moving towards digitization or digitizing. 01:23:33
We are currently we have no files in any office that has to do with parcels. 01:23:43
They are all at the. 01:23:54
Digitizer guy, Iron Mountain is who's doing it for us. Dave came and got all of the files out of Patient and out of Globe. So 01:23:58
basically I have about 67 empty file cabinets right now. Still have some information on them that we're dealing with and we'll be 01:24:05
moving forward to changing that. But that is one of the things you guys have helped support and are moving forward. We are 01:24:13
actually hoping to get it completed by the end of this year. 01:24:20
Here where everything is copied, digitized and we have access to, and I will tell you currently staff is going through a list of 01:24:27
about 100,000 pieces of paper. We're trying to make sure they're all readable. So literally, I've had people come in on Saturday 01:24:36
for five hours, I haven't come in on a Sunday, and they literally are going page by page by page. 01:24:44
To make sure they're readable and to make sure that they're. 01:24:53
Documented where they're findable. So in other words, doesn't do me a whole lot of good to have 20 parcels digitized, but they 01:24:58
don't have a parcel number on them. I will never be able to research those. So I will tell you staff is diligently and and and. 01:25:07
It's not fun, but it is getting done. So we may be done with the digitizing by the end of the year, but I'm not authorizing final 01:25:16
payment until we get through that list. Because at that first we found all the pictures that we have in these files were black. 01:25:25
And so that doesn't do us any good. So we made them go back and recopy those at a different. 01:25:33
DPI, whatever they call it, stuff to make sure that we could see those and they were part of the file. So that's what staff is 01:25:43
currently doing. 01:25:47
We've also, thanks to your help, have worked on a new permitting system. We went from trackit.net. We are now currently on, it's 01:25:53
called community development, which is from Tracket, newer version, it's online. They're still working on our portal. We just got 01:26:02
credit cards. We're able to go through the portal now so people can pay online at their home and. 01:26:12
Take care of all that stuff. They'll be able to look up their own stuff. So we're hoping that as training goes on, not only with 01:26:22
staff but with the public, that if someone wants a public records request. 01:26:29
For their property go on pull up, you can look where your own septic system is. I will tell you there are a lot of septic 01:26:36
companies that don't keep records because they keep requesting our copies so that they can redesign or or repair a system. So. 01:26:44
It's, it's vastly important. We also are going to tablets. My inspectors will hopefully in the very near future. We went through 01:26:54
two trainings. We're having a little bit of issues with the. 01:27:00
Offline, when they're in a place that doesn't have cell service, which is a lot of healer county, but we have tablets now that 01:27:07
they'll be able to fill in. And actually when they come into a area that has service, it will e-mail the person on the list the 01:27:15
report. So we don't get, well, I never saw the report, The wind blew it away. 01:27:23
All the things that we've had happen. 01:27:32
And it automatically will load into the system. 01:27:35
When the inspector gets back. So we are trying to upgrade these kind of things. 01:27:38
I will tell you we're working on a new building codes. We are currently on the 2012 international code and I will have an IGA in 01:27:44
January. I believe that we're. 01:27:52
Going to be a hard time for. I will tell you it's a vast difference. There's a big difference between 2012 and 2024 code. 01:28:01
And that's going to take a lot of time with contractors and talking and coming up with all that stuff. But if we don't go to the 01:28:10
new code, we are going to get listed as a 8:00 to 9:00. It's one to 1010 being worse, one being best. Right now we're a four. And 01:28:18
that affects our has a possibility affecting. They don't have to accept it, but they do. The insurance companies determine 01:28:25
people's insurance rates. 01:28:33
Based on three things, once your fire system, 1 is your billing department and one is your public works. So in other words, can 01:28:41
they get there? 01:28:45
Tire system, if it's in place, if there is, how was it put in and then what building codes and what they were inspecting to. So 01:28:50
that's a big issue and it's a big thing I will tell you. 01:28:57
Contractors don't like change. They don't want to move forward with this. A lot of it is and as you guys were just talking about 01:29:06
your, your buildings, a lot of the new code is, I mean structural. Structural, don't be wrong. If a beam can hold this much 01:29:13
weight, that doesn't change using the codes, but a lot of where you can place those codes, what hardware you can use for those, 01:29:20
those kind of connections will change, but energy efficiency is a huge part of the code now. 01:29:27
It used to be a separate code. 01:29:34
That was over here. You could adopt it or not adopt it. Now. It's part of the IBC and the IRC that makes you adopted. Now we still 01:29:37
can remember we do not have to adopt the 24 code International as a whole. 01:29:44
It is designed to work from here to. 01:29:52
New York to Hawaii and beyond, what we will do is we'll go through and make amendments to accommodate for our snow loads, our wind 01:29:57
loads, I. 01:30:04
That we don't need to worry about a 90 LB snow lobe when we have it, how we top out at 40 lbs. So we'll be looking at those and 01:30:12
those will be amendments that we'll make to the change and that becomes the building code ordinance. And and that is one of the 01:30:18
new things that we'll have to be working on too. We are currently working with an IGA to bring income in. There's there's expired 01:30:24
increments. 01:30:30
IGA will be. We've got that in. Now we're just waiting for the. 01:30:37
Other board to approve it so that we can get it on the board agenda item for you guys to approve. I just had a phone call 01:30:43
yesterday with the state on our. 01:30:49
IGA for manufactured homes and we want it. We feel that you guys want us to keep that because you do a lot of manufactured homes. 01:30:55
And what happens is if we don't have that IGA, then the state's got to come down every time to do an inspection. And that will 01:31:03
just slow down the process where our guys are driving by anyway are trained there. There's some actual new training that'll have 01:31:10
to go through for the IGA to go through, but our guys are driving by. 01:31:18
House every day. There's no reason we can't look at the Jack or the connection systems that we've been doing for years. But our 01:31:25
current IGA is expired. I have been talking to them to make sure that they allow us to continue to do what we're doing. But the 01:31:32
IGA, they required some training that they don't provide. So there's no place to get the training that they say you have to have 01:31:39
for the IGA. Stuff was kind of been slow in this town. 01:31:45
So that's dealing with building. Like I said, we're we're trying to get people to call us on a more regular basis and we can 01:31:54
answer those questions so that they can get all the information that they need. 01:32:01
The other Part 1 of the other sections is code enforcement and this is what be honest with you. The more people see than than they 01:32:09
know or realize that they know. 01:32:14
Everything that we do in code enforcement is a lot of visual. 01:32:21
You drive by a house that has a bunch of junk contraction debris in it stands out to you. That is not what the county wants as our 01:32:26
face, so we work pretty hard with code enforcement. 01:32:32
Jessica has made some new interpretations that allow us to do some stuff where we used to not be able to. 01:32:39
Site the occupant which is the person causing the issue and if we have an out of state or out of area owner they're much harder to 01:32:49
get a hold of. 01:32:55
We're under the new direction that we've received is we can go site the occupants for the issue and that that's helping. We're 01:33:01
also trying to get to where we get to every code enforcement. 01:33:10
Project every two weeks. 01:33:20
So if someone calls it in we used to not make a case. So if you someone called in a complaint. 01:33:24
We drive by it, but we never documented it. So now if anyone complaints, we make a case because now I have a place to document it, 01:33:33
Say there's it's not valid or it is valid, but now I have a place for those notes to go. We can track that stuff and do better 01:33:41
with that. One of the other things we're doing is making a master list of all of these violations. 01:33:50
Or problems. Supervisor Humphrey uses that list quite often. 01:33:59
I'm currently having staff make a master list of all the areas. So if Supervisor Klein wanted to know what violations are occurred 01:34:04
in Whispering Pines, I will have a list that I can give you so that if you have a constituent and art will be updating that. And, 01:34:11
and as we go out to the site and say we visited, there's been no change. There has been change so on and so on that will be added 01:34:18
on there with the date. 01:34:25
Michaels came up with format so. 01:34:32
It's not what our system currently does, so it's kind of a. 01:34:35
Labor intensive list, but I've actually been in contact with the new permitting system of writing the report in in the format that 01:34:40
we want, the format they have. It gives you a whole lot of information that you will never use. So we're trying to fix that. I 01:34:48
will tell you we're complaint driven. 01:34:56
But that does not mean we don't drive the street. So what I directed code enforcement is, is when they drive the street, so they 01:35:05
got a complaint at house 123 here they drive the whole street and look for any other violation from the street on the rest of that 01:35:11
road. 01:35:17
You'd be surprised how many people call in a complaint and have several violations of their own, but they want to point finger at 01:35:24
someone else and leave me alone. So I don't think that's fair because we've been accused of you're picking on me now we got a 01:35:31
complaint, we deal with that. We used to go to that house. It doesn't matter what we drove through or by, we would turn around and 01:35:38
leave. So now we go there, look at that house, decide what we need to decide. 01:35:46
Drive the rest of the houses around to see if there are any other violations. I will tell you one of the biggest problems we have 01:35:53
is contacting people. 01:35:58
I don't think you guys realize how many dead people there are that own houses. 01:36:05
There's a lot of them. And what the state law requires is that I have to contact someone to be able to pursue and go to hearing 01:36:12
officer or pursue any of the Novs or anything else. And if I. 01:36:19
I don't have the communications to a dead person on a normal basis, so it makes it very hard to move forward. And then you will 01:36:28
have, as Supervisor Humphreys tried to get dealt with at the state. Well, whoever's paying that housing tax or the land tax that 01:36:36
they could be held liable. So far that hasn't gone through. And then we have kids that go out and live in the house. 01:36:45
But have no right to be in that house that's never went through probate. It hasn't gone through. 01:36:54
Wills or anything else. And so I can't I can now cite them because they're the occupants, but I can't cite them as the owner. So 01:36:59
it it's it is a big issue and sometimes people just don't pick up their mail. I mean they see we send out. 01:37:07
Certified Mail. 01:37:17
They don't want anything, they know they're in violation. This is not new and they just don't pick it up. And then at some point 01:37:20
post office returns to us and says sorry undeliverable. We I have been using the constable trying to get out there but just 01:37:27
yesterday I received one at 15 attempts to try to get someone at a house. 01:37:35
And failed on 15 different times. 01:37:44
And had David went to places that the neighbor said, well, he's over here or she's over here. They would go there. They were 01:37:47
really working hard. And I got to tell you, the council's been awesome. They're great to work with. They try hard, but there are 01:37:53
people that. 01:37:58
Don't want to be found and it makes it tough. And then you get the neighbors complaining and then the neighbors come and complain 01:38:05
to you guys as supervisors saying this house is a pile and they're not doing anything. 01:38:12
The only option I've been told that is is out there is that we have to go to the state file and John's financial discussion have 01:38:20
to file a suit. 01:38:25
To force the state to put someone in charge of the probate. Now I can have someone to notify and say I hey, you got to clean this 01:38:32
up. 01:38:36
But unless we go to the state and they. 01:38:43
Put someone in charge. We have a problem and it's a growing problem. It's not getting better. 01:38:46
But I will tell you that Jessica has worked hard with us and she sent us a list of options that 20 different other things that 01:38:54
other counties have tried. I wrote items 12654 and all these different things and she kind of lasts. I don't think supervisors are 01:39:00
going to allow us to kick people out of the house and put it up for any economic support. And I was trying to figure out any way 01:39:07
we could. Michael was a little bit more. 01:39:13
Direct and had an idea, and we're still working on clearing that idea up to see if we can do it legally. 01:39:20
Then we're talking zoning, which is. 01:39:30
A huge part as you guys have been inherited buildings that. 01:39:35
Weren't your decisions. 01:39:42
Our current zoning has inherited things that weren't enforced and weren't done and. 01:39:45
People don't like changes as a whole and we're pursuing that as or as commonly as we can. But it's something that has to be dealt 01:39:52
with and we have ordinances that you guys have approved or or supervisors have approved and we have to move forward with those to 01:39:59
what they say, not what we want to interpret. 01:40:06
We are always looking at new ordinances and zoning. As you know we've been working on short term rentals and we have a new porta 01:40:16
potty ordinance that we're going to have to deal with. We have RV zoning, new building, minor land division, which is now kind of 01:40:25
the hot topic of for a while there was short term rentals. Minor land division is becoming a huge topic down the top. 01:40:34
So in our current ordinance, which is about. 01:40:43
14 years old. 01:40:48
Doesn't address dividing land over 10 acres. It only depends under 10 acres, but it doesn't talk about minor land or lot line 01:40:50
adjustments or anything else. It doesn't address all that stuff, which what our people are doing in the tunnel Bay since the 01:40:57
bridge has gone in. I mean, I'm probably signing. 01:41:05
5 minor land divisions a week there. Some of them I've reported and I will tell you that from our attorney, Mr. Beauchamp and 01:41:14
Michael, we have people complaining about illegal subdivisions going in and we have nothing to say about it. But I report it to 01:41:22
the Realtors, Realtors Association. They they deal with that for the state. 01:41:31
And. 01:41:39
I'm not going to say that they aren't responding, but they're not quick to respond. 01:41:42
So there's a lot of things going on in that area that affect us on a daily basis. 01:41:48
One of the big things that and Michael is is kind of hammered this home is we're working a lot with other departments. Every 01:41:58
Monday we have public works health department. 01:42:04
Building Department zoning Sit down at 9:30 every Monday. 01:42:13
And have at least an hour long conversation going over projects so that we all are on the same page and we all know what's going 01:42:18
on. And we all know that if it's if Alex is dealing with this in the flood, that affects how the health department deals with the 01:42:24
how the building department is. We're in the old ways. You come in, ask the building department the question we're going to 01:42:30
answer. 01:42:36
And we'll talk to them if you want to deal with the flood or you go talk to them if they want to deal with the health department. 01:42:43
And Michael's really, like said, hit home that we all sit down. Michael sits in on those conversations with us. So we have the 01:42:51
other directors of the departments and we go through all the problem projects, any projects that come up since the last Monday. 01:42:59
And and moving forward. So I think that's been a real good. 01:43:08
Solution to some of the issues. 01:43:13
And it works through the week I'll have guys popping up say I stopped by that site and we documented in trackage. 01:43:17
Track It. Michael is beat up on me because I was not always great at this. I will tell you, I'm still not, but I at least 01:43:26
delegated to other staff to make sure it gets put in to track it so that every phone conversation that we're having with an owner 01:43:31
should be in Track It. Every time we go to a site, it should be in track it. 01:43:37
And that's for all departments. And that was tough. Getting that across is that this isn't just a building department software. 01:43:46
This is a zoning software, a code enforcement software, a flood software. 01:43:52
Health Department. 01:44:00
Thing so that all of that information is in there, so that when someone comes in, we can give them all of the information that 01:44:03
they need to make the decisions they need to make, what they want to do. 01:44:08
Look my notes here. 01:44:19
I think that's about the end of it. 01:44:25
In summary, like I said, we we've been working real hard at coming up with. 01:44:29
Handouts that we can give to people. Our goal really is to get them to call in before they start their project. 01:44:34
So that, you know, when someone started a project and they put that shed in there and now it's in a flood and it's a foot away 01:44:44
from the property line sitting over a septic system. 01:44:48
They got to move it. I mean, it's going to have to be repaired and it's going to cost them more. 01:44:55
And so if we can get them to call in ahead of time, we can tell them, OK, yes, you can have a shed. Just make sure you don't put 01:45:01
it here, here, here or here. And you got to be 7 feet away from this line. And then they can make that decision for themselves at 01:45:07
that point and, and move forward and be less traumatic less. 01:45:14
Issues moving forward and cheaper overall for them. 01:45:22
So with that, I'll be more than happy to answer any questions. I see you guys writing down notes, so either drawing faces of me or 01:45:28
making notes for me to answer. 01:45:33
Go ahead, supervisor, client. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Randy, let's talk about. 01:45:41
Upping the building codes from 12 towards 24 and the relation it has to do with the insurance, because I get this a lot, 01:45:46
especially up there in that rim country, people are being denied insurance, they're being cancelled and on and on and on. 01:45:54
How, how? How should I say that say this? 01:46:03
Is it really our building codes that are that are contributing to this or is it just being, is it just the insurance companies 01:46:08
being difficult to deal with? 01:46:13
Both. So like I said, there's 33 departments that they really look at fire, public works and building. We're not supposed to skip 01:46:18
more than two code cycles and a code cycle is every three years. Now all the building officials in Northern Arizona agreed that we 01:46:26
would look at adopting codes every six years. So we would always skip a code. 01:46:34
Globe just went to their 21 and they were on the 2003. 01:46:43
So they just went to the 21? 01:46:48
Patients talking about going to the 24 and we're talking about going to 24. The only reason I'm going to say the 24 in lieu of the 01:46:52
21 was because we're not real quick at adopting newer things. So why would we start off 1 code cycle behind in the code that we 01:46:59
adopt. So the insurance companies look for reasons to especially having fire it's good and we're public works comes in if we were 01:47:06
allowing. 01:47:14
Buildings to be up on these hills and up in the roads and we can't get to them or the fire department can't get to them. 01:47:21
That's a downside for the insurance company and we've had conversation with the fire department. We used to say if you showed us 01:47:30
that or if if you grew on there that the road was open, they took it, the road was open. Well, now the fire department's actually 01:47:37
going out before they give us a will serve letter that shows that they can get there and there's not a big tree in the middle of 01:47:44
the road that well, we just decided not to build that road. I will tell you we got. 01:47:52
That were approved with access roads that aren't and can't be in won't be in and so we're trying to address that so that. 01:47:59
I'm not going to say it's going to cure the issues, but the insurance companies will have less items to be able to deny people. 01:48:10
Access or deny their serviceability. OK, minor land divisions. This one's pretty interesting to me. So minor land divisions, isn't 01:48:21
that all under state statute? How that how land is divided? 01:48:29
Yes and no. So when they give us requirements, but we have to adopt our own ordinance. So we haven't had an ordinance that we we 01:48:38
have and still do that matches the the requirements of the. 01:48:45
State, but it says you can't divide. You can't divide your land more than five times. That's easy until you sell it to your friend 01:48:54
or your. 01:48:59
Brother or whoever and what the state chapter says is you can't sell this to your friend in order to get around the subdivision 01:49:05
requirements. We can determine if you did it to get around him or if you did it because they wanted to buy some land from you. So 01:49:12
under our requirements, we we're making sure what we're looking for is that they meet Sony, right. So when you divide this land, 01:49:19
as as you know, I've come to the board before when we have substandard lots. 01:49:27
And so I don't let them divide down to microscopic lots. It's got to meet the zoning. So that may be AGU 10,000 square foot parcel 01:49:35
and that they can't go below that where we'll sign it. And what it says if we don't sign it currently what it says is you a 01:49:45
surveyor has to put a note on there that this doesn't meet any code, won't meet any code and isn't accessible and it basically. 01:49:54
Makes it unsellable. So the surveyors want us involved. I will tell you, Scott has done a great job. He helps out all the surveys. 01:50:05
He reviews the minor land. He does the math, so he makes sure that it's meeting the requirements of the state for a survey plan. 01:50:12
He makes sure that the math and the lines close, which I have no idea how he does that, but that's what he does. And then he sends 01:50:19
it to me. 01:50:27
And then my job is, is to make sure that it meets zoning every setbacks because, you know, especially we start dividing land it's 01:50:34
already been built on. OK, well will they put that line that doesn't meet our set back requirements and stuff like that. So do I 01:50:41
take it back to the first time that lot was subdivided? No. And I do I go out and check if you bought this from someone you know 01:50:47
and no. 01:50:54
I go through, I see who's divided it, I see who's on our list. If that went over 5, we stopped. If it's four, we approve it as 01:51:01
long as it meets the other requirements. So it is a big thing and and I will tell you. 01:51:10
I I kind of think some people are jealous because you get someone who went out and bought 25 acres, he divided it five times. He 01:51:20
has now sold it and he gets to sell it for more than he paid for. And then that next person provides it five more times and so on 01:51:27
and so on. And they think there's a subdivision going in which there could be. And I swear after talking with our County Attorney, 01:51:34
he says report. 01:51:42
Every time. And so I fill out a form, you set it off and do what we can to make sure that's not happening. But I don't have staff 01:51:49
to go back to look when this was this number and it was 1000 acres and find out who bought what and divide it down. 01:51:59
So you take that 25 acres and you sell it. Whether you know the people or not, you sell it, they divide it five times. They sell 01:52:10
it, the new owners divide it five times. What acreage can you get down to before you're going to have to quit? Depends when 01:52:16
there's only. 01:52:21
So in other words, we have 35,000 square foot densities, we have one acre densities, we have 10,000, we have a 2000 density. So it 01:52:28
just depends on what it's zoned in that area. So in other words, if you had, I believe it's RR that we require one acre so that 01:52:36
they won't be able to take it down below an acre. 01:52:44
OK, what about places that aren't zoned? 01:52:53
Great question. Don't have a great answer. We would not. I don't even believe I signed the minor land divisions because they are 01:52:59
not zoned just like what right now when we have them over 10 acres. I don't sign because there's nothing I can hold them to. 01:53:06
There's no zoning, there's no set back requirements, there's no nothing. 01:53:14
So most of those just get recorded from the surveyor and go in and and. 01:53:22
Do what they want to do. The problem is, is, is we've had a couple things where codes do kick in. People might not have known it 01:53:27
and then they've done some stuff and now we got to repair that. I think for most areas that I'm I deal with, people want it pretty 01:53:33
open. 01:53:38
They don't want to see the houses stacked on one another and you'll see that whether that's indeed restrictions or or whatever. So 01:53:45
yeah, I mean, most of the smaller stuff is going to be not even tunnel so much. They still want some room, but you go into pine 01:53:51
strawberry where it's infill lots or the guy has an oversized lot. Now he wants two things, sell one of them and stay living where 01:53:57
he's at. 01:54:03
And that happens weekly. We got a guy up there right now who's splitting, doing it down to five lots. 01:54:11
Because he had five acres, so he's, you know, but the problem he's caused is some grading issues and flooding because he's on top 01:54:19
of the hill, so water rolls down so. 01:54:25
I don't think we have a great answer for what you're doing. Yeah. 01:54:33
That works so ordinances so. 01:54:38
Well, and even policy, how are we setting on that as far as ordinances, policy, whatever in your department? 01:54:44
Ornitas priority change monthly, you know, with short term rentals was taking up all the staff time at one point. That's kind of 01:54:52
out there right now. Porta potty was it was a big one because we have a lot of places on our main highways coming into our area 01:55:01
that have big green building sitting there and and one of some of the comments have been well, I'm coming in from. 01:55:10
Phoenix. 01:55:20
I got to use restroom like did you do I understand that, but you passed like 8000 of them on the way. And I don't think our 01:55:21
highway at at the frontage of Pine is a place that that needs to happen. You know, if it's hidden behind the building or 01:55:28
something, we can do that. Like I said, minor land division right now. I just tried to have a meeting yesterday with Scott and 01:55:34
Homer moving forward and I've talked to Michael about that. 01:55:41
That's one of the bigger ones right now. 01:55:48
I will tell you all of our ordinances are outdated and all of them can use a freshening, even my which is one of my newer ones. I 01:55:52
my hearing officer, well, that's going to have to be modified for the new building code. It would have to be modified for the 01:55:59
short term rental. It was going to have to be modified, you know, for any of the stuff the health department's talking about 01:56:06
trying to use the hearing officer more public works just. 01:56:13
Talk about using one hearing officer more. And right now they're not even included in the hearing officer. So we don't have an 01:56:20
ordinance that is not needing at least a refreshing or an update. And so you're going to start working on bringing those in front 01:56:29
of us to do whatever we need to do with them or yes. So I will tell you that management decides when I bring them in front of you. 01:56:37
We brought the short term rental a couple times and we're on hold with that one. The next one I would expect you to see that I 01:56:46
think is written. 01:56:50
And modified and done and gotten is the porta potty. What we currently say is you're not allowed to do it unless you're building 01:56:54
1. We have places in Pine that use them for their overflow during high tourist seasons. So we've taken for depression that back in 01:57:02
and put that as an option and give them around I think it's four months. 01:57:10
That we give them that they can bring a porta potty in for tour seasons. 01:57:19
That kind of stuff. So it's up to management to tell me when they want something in front of you. 01:57:24
So I don't have a schedule. 01:57:32
To go forward, I know we've come in front of you twice for RV's. 01:57:36
Not going to say that hasn't been direction, but there hasn't been clear direction on which way we want to go. We talked about 01:57:42
pulling that out of the zoning ordinance and making ARV stand alone. The minor land, I would be honest with you, it would be the 01:57:49
next one I think would be in front of you and then maybe port a potty or something. And so I don't have a schedule to bring it in 01:57:55
front of you, but. 01:58:01
Just like building. 01:58:09
I've been told to move forward with that because we kind of have to, um. 01:58:11
I waited. I got a study. Um. 01:58:16
And learn what's in there, you know? 01:58:20
And staff's got to learn what's in there. And so the contractors and so we got to have those meetings and that just, that takes a 01:58:23
lot of time to not only get the books in here and the codes in here and learn what's in those things. I can't remember my kids 01:58:30
names now, I'm afraid what's going to happen after I learn a new code. But that's part of it. So I don't know that I have a clear 01:58:36
answer for you, Sir. 01:58:43
Randy, thank you. I look forward to the ordinances and all that and going on room and and working with them so but thank you. 01:58:49
It's in, Mr. Chair. 01:58:58
OK. 01:59:00
I, I appreciate all that you do for planning and zoning. I understand it's a, it's a, it's a, it's an ongoing fight to keep up 01:59:02
with everything and the people doing what they do and also to like with the updates of, of what code were going by. That's, that's 01:59:12
going to cause the new builders a lot of difficulty, but it's going to, it's going to save expense to the existing home. 01:59:22
And so, you know, we kind of have to is there a good decision? Well, it's always what's best for the for the for the people. And 01:59:33
so I appreciate that. And that was one of my questions is how are we with the RV ordinances because I. 01:59:41
You know, that's that was a question asked a lot and so and it still is, but I understand why that's on hold as well. 01:59:51
But but we, we do. Well, I live in a recreational area, Roosevelt. So there's always people wanting to live in one. And I guess 02:00:03
there are some people living in some. It's just that there's really no ordinance now. 02:00:10
And we're working on it. So I appreciate it also to and you say you're encouraging people to call in and and I can appreciate that 02:00:19
as well. But if they do call in and ask for a site visit. 02:00:26
How do you go do site visit? I depends on what for, to be honest with you. If the site is it was to determine flood, those kind of 02:00:34
things. Absolutely what we don't get to and we get a lot of calls for it as well. I just got one from the Forest Service yesterday 02:00:42
where they want me to come out and condemn their building and I. 02:00:49
I'm like, no, that's a third party home inspector that you would use for that. That's not something we would do. So if someone 02:00:57
called us that, it was something we do. 02:01:02
You know construction wise or any of that stuff, then absolutely we go out there. It will not always be the next day, but if if we 02:01:08
have time on a day, my inspector always stop by, I will tell you Kim will stop by. I stopped by going to and from here today. I 02:01:16
stopped on one on coming in and I got 2 going back so. 02:01:24
I can appreciate that because if somebody calls in and says OK, if I've got a shed under 200 square feet, do I need a permit? 02:01:33
Well, no, OK. 02:01:37
Well, like you said, then they put it on the receptive tank or whatever and then it just creates problems down the road. But you 02:01:41
know a site visit, if you just go by and you sure you're going to put a shed where you're going to put it, Don't put it right 02:01:47
there, OK, if it's not on your septic, I don't see a problem. Then there isn't 1. And so anyway that's that would that's going to 02:01:53
be one of my recommendations if somebody asked me, I said if you're going to build something. 02:02:00
Call them and ask them for a site visit and see if planning and zoning will go. Look at what you want to do and where you want to 02:02:07
do it. 02:02:11
So they don't end up with a whole bunch of problems after you start construction. And, and what you said that and a complaint that 02:02:16
I get, especially with the new bridge and things like that, tunnel basin, Roosevelt area and things of that nature. It's been a 02:02:24
complaint since I've been a supervisor. And you said that staff doesn't go back and look. 02:02:32
When somebody broke down 1000 acres who it sold, where it sold to. 02:02:41
Is that would that be the states job? 02:02:47
I guess whose job is it because a lot of the complaints I get is Bill sells it to Fred, Fred sells it to Sam, and then Sam sells 02:02:54
back to deal with you and so Bill gets 15 lots instead of just five. It is the states responsibility to enforce the requirement 02:03:02
that you do not divide it more than five times. 02:03:10
Or make it unauthorized subdivision. That is the state's job. 02:03:19
Ask an answer because everything from the county doing anything about that. 02:03:27
It's because it's the states job to do something about. 02:03:32
That I get those complaints too and that's why I filed the complaint with the state saying I'm being told this is an illegal 02:03:36
subdivision. 02:03:40
Here you go, right. And they have a form that we fill out into and anyone can do that. You can even, I can give that to you and 02:03:45
you can give that to your constituents. If they want to file a complaint. It's the same form I fill out that they can fill out. 02:03:51
Sure. 02:03:57
OK, Well, I don't have anything else. I, I like I say, I appreciate all you're doing as a builder. I appreciate, you know, you're 02:04:04
working with, with the builders and the codes and the ordinances to try to help. 02:04:11
Infrastructure in handcount because it we, we need it. And now with the new bridge, there's going to be more of it in tunnel, 02:04:21
which is created issues for all of us, but I guess we'll call them growing pains. 02:04:28
And I will tell you we have two open positions currently. I'm looking at hiring 1 next week or interviewing for an inspector. 02:04:36
Are both inspector North and South? It'll be mostly inspect. The inspector will be based out of patient. 02:04:48
OK, So you got an inspector nor you said two positions, are they both inspectors and one is the building official, which I've 02:04:54
advertised for about two years and the building official is me. Oh, so I'm, I'm the building official, I'm the director right now. 02:05:03
I was hardest building official on certified building this a lot, I guess. So we're not losing anything. But there really isn't, I 02:05:12
mean, patient right now doesn't have a building official. They're using a third party company because they can't find any. And and 02:05:18
the guy who left there told him he was leaving five years ago and he'd been there for 30 years and they can't find anyone. So I 02:05:24
don't think we're going to be able to fill that position. But I, I be honest with you, it's kind of second nature to me. So it's 02:05:30
pretty easy for me to. 02:05:35
What's a third party cost? 02:05:42
In the lieu of the position, all right. 02:05:46
If they're running from what I've been told about 150,000 a year and the position pays 7D something, OK, so almost twice as much. 02:05:49
But I will tell you Michael is kind of forcing me into. 02:05:57
Getting people ready to take positions and I have a person that is studying for this position and has passed 2 tests. I told him 02:06:06
he needs to take four to five tests to make me feel more comfortable with him and I have it kind of all over He's an inspector, he 02:06:13
passed he's passed his plan reviewer. I want him to pass ADA and I want him to pass a commercial version of that and then building 02:06:20
official and he's working towards that and and I kind of see him being our. 02:06:28
Building official OK good yeah because that it's difficult to wear 2 hats because I know how busy you are and how how much we are 02:06:36
growing in and doing more and more building permits and things so yeah I think it would be it would it would be beneficial to us 02:06:46
the constituents people reaching it if you weren't wearing 2 hats that's kind of like and I will also throw in we. 02:06:55
July. 02:07:05
Of 24, we did 114 homes, new single families, manufacturing and Bissell built this year. We're kind of on the same pace and that's 02:07:06
about average we're between 115 to 120, somewhere in that range, 25 maybe on a year. I went back four years and that's what I came 02:07:15
up with. Right now we're a little bit behind because everyone's waiting until. 02:07:23
The electric interest rates and the elections. 02:07:33
The elections I hear more than the interest rates and that's part of the new code that we'll have to talk to you guys about. We're 02:07:36
currently on the 2000 and. 02:07:42
For evaluation code, that's how permanent pricing is determined. We're charging what our valuations using and the permit thing is 02:07:48
$83.74. And if you can get any home builder to come out to your house for $83.40 some cents, please get them, kidnap them, tie 02:07:57
them down, don't let them leave because people are charging 4 to 600 a square foot. 02:08:06
For custom homes now and we're at 83. 02:08:16
And I don't know that we want to jump up to that price range, but I do think we need to get more in line with. 02:08:20
Where reality is, as far as that goes, well, won't that change when you come up with the codes anyway? So it does not 02:08:31
automatically change the codes. Codes don't set the evaluation rate. The people who write the code, ICC International Code 02:08:38
Conference, they put out a valuation sheet every year, usually twice, one in June, 1 in January. 02:08:44
And they set the price because they mark it across the country and say, OK, an average price is. 02:08:53
200 square foot. So it's a slightly different same company, different thing, but it is part of that and we need to bring that into 02:09:02
in line because basically I'm I'm taking money out of your general fund to cover construction cost. 02:09:12
OK. Well, thank you very much for the presentation, Randy. We appreciate it very much. 02:09:24
Thank you. Anything I can do to help let me know. 02:09:30
Surprise, you've been more than supportive since I've been there. I've had supervisor buy a printer, you know that I couldn't get 02:09:35
it and. 02:09:40
I've always felt that that you guys want with passport with what we're doing and I I thank you for your support. Thank you, Andy. 02:09:47
Okay, well, moving on, we're going to go to three call to the public. 02:09:55
Do we have anybody application? No. 02:10:04
We have no one here. Do we have anyone in computer now? How many people do we have on today? 02:10:07
38 How long did they stand up to you? 02:10:15
OK, well that's good. The other day we had like 50 and now we got 38. So it's great to see more people getting involved. When you 02:10:21
don't see them here, you know they are getting involved in what's going on and so OK, there's no call to the public and we move on 02:10:28
to four. At any time during the meeting for Smart ARS 38 Dash 431.02 K, members of the Board of Supervisors and county Manager may 02:10:36
present a brief summary of. 02:10:43
Events, No action may be taken on the information presented. Michael, do you have anything for us? No, Sir, I am good. Thank you. 02:10:50
Supervisor Klein, do you have anything for us? Not a lot, Mr. Chair. Last week we attended the CSA small counties. That was good. 02:10:57
See everybody and next week. 02:11:05
Mind you, I'll be leaving for Washington state for the war, So. And that, that's it. OK. Well, good. Yeah. I, I met with, well, 02:11:13
Jeremy Plain and Michael O'Driscoll and Randy Plummer was there at Roosevelt to try to work together on getting grants and funding 02:11:21
for a, a floating dock for Roosevelt where we're going to. 02:11:29
Jeremy's wanting to take a whole cold there and turn it into a floating dock kind of beach area so there's more recreational 02:11:38
Roosevelt. So that was a good meeting. It's going to be a it's going to be a long reach, but it's something I think we're going to 02:11:44
try to work together and try to get done. 02:11:50
And then I'll attend A-Team project meeting tomorrow. And so anyway, that's all I have. And if there's nothing else, I think very 02:11:57
much I will adjourn today's meeting. 02:12:03