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Special meeting Tuesday, September 24th.
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To order.
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And we will have a pledge this morning. Michael, would you like to lead us in the pledge, please?
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From the United States of America, for which it stands one nation under.
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Control.
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Good morning, everyone.
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We're going to go right on to regular agenda item 2A and I guess I need a motion to recesses HeLa County Board of Supervisors to
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convene as HeLa County Board of Equalization. So moved, Mr. Chair, and I'll second that. All in favor say aye, aye aye. OK.
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Information, information, discussion, action to receive and accept Helen County Board of Equalization hearing officer.
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UMM H Charles Johnson's decisions regarding appeals of the Assessor's property valuation for tax year 2025 that were heard on
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September 20th, 2024.
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Do we have anybody?
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Discussing the same. Go ahead.
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Thank you. So I'm the healer. County Board of Equalization Hearing Officer H Charles Johnson heard the appeals of the assessors
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property evaluations the tax year 2025. On September 20th, 9 total parcels were heard. Seven of those parcels were issued and no
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change decision. One parcel was decreased and one petition was not accepted in because it was due in the incorrect format. One
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parcel is still under Mr. Johnson's review. He will provide a decision on the parcel within 10 business days at which time.
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Bring that information back to the board. So per the contractual agreement between the hearing officer and the board of
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equalization, the board of equalizations review of the hearing office is limited. The county receives the decision of the hearing
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officer and shall uphold the decision of the hearing officer unless there is substantiated contradictory presented and I'm happy
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to take any questions.
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OK. I don't have any thinking, Sam. Yeah, I don't have any questions either. I'm I'm sure glad that that he's able to do this for
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us. I can remember when the Board of Supervisors did that and as far as the formulas and stuff of appraising property, it was a
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difficulty. Anyway. I'm glad that we have somebody professional in doing that at this point. So if there's no further questions or
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comments, I'll call for motion.
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Mr. Chair, I'll make the motion to receive and accept in the County Board of Equalization Hearing Officer H Charles Johnson's
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decisions regarding appeals of the Assessor's property valuations for tax year 2025, and I'll second that.
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And all in favor say aye, aye aye.
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Passes unanimous.
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Oh, and.
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I was just a little late. Supervisor Klein and I are here today. Supervisor Christensen is not going to be here today, so.
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It's just going to be the tours.
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OK, And on regular agenda item 2B, we need to make a motion to change back to. So I'll make the motion to adjourn as healing
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County Board of Equalization and Rick convene as a healer County Board of Supervisors. I'll second that having a motion second.
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All in favor say aye, aye.
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OK, and we don't need a decision to Table 2.
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2D will be tabled because our presenter of that item was unable to be here today.
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So we're moving on to regular agenda item to see information discussion regarding potential capital funding options and funding
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process information for Hilo County's infrastructure and capital improvement project. Mark reader and.
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Good morning. Good morning. We'll get you started with these first couple slides and then we'll turn it over to Mark Reader, who
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will provide you with a little bit more information.
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Mark has given you hopefully print out of this PowerPoint presentation. Since the projector is not working today, we want to make
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sure that you've got that.
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We were expecting to be like an hour and a half later in the agenda.
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OK.
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Oh fantastic.
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So after your cover, you've got.
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County leadership and then.
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On what is page three, you have a list of the next five years estimated high priority capital projects for public works. So
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management asked Homero and his team to put together their list of what they think it's going to take to get us to 2030 coming out
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of the public works department.
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As far as roads and other types of projects.
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And in addition to putting together a list of projects, we asked Tomero and his team on this page, and then Joseph and his team on
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the next in collaboration with Michael and James.
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To evaluate what those funding sources might be for these, as you can see on Romero's list here, some of these funding sources
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include Arizona Department of Transportation.
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DF FM, which is the Department of Fire and Forestry Management. There are some FEMA resources. There are a few instances where
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we'll be partnering with the central Arizona governments and CAG.
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And there are some highway safety improvement funds, some Tonto National Forest.
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And a couple other sources. So the total of these projects over the next.
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Five years is estimated to be $21.7 million if they're at the bottom of Page 3.
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Currently public works and management and finance are estimating 4.1 million. Of that 21 million will be sourced from public works
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and the other 17,000,016.9 will come from other from these other funding sources that are listed down the right hand side.
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So we're just, we're sharing this information with you because right you're.
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Generally conservative and like to know that we're planning well in advance and if you don't like big financial surprises, so we
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wanted to make sure you have this information today.
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So this is projecting out from now until 2030 for public works.
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And as you can see, the 4.1 million would be about what Public Works expects to extend and the the other 17 would be coming from
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other sources as you flip to the next page.
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Our friends and our friends and facilities have put together their list of what it's going to take to get us from now to 2030.
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Their total project.
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Are about 14.6 million.
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Of which they're expecting about 10.3 to counter from the general fund.
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And about 4.2 to come from other funding sources, which includes a court project for the security cameras at 30,000 The Road Shop,
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Wash Bay.
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Don't try to say that fast, which would be splitting half and half between general fund and public works and then looking at
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utilizing some of the LATC funds for the Globe courthouse elevator improvements.
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The complex roof replacement. The HVAC replacement.
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And a couple other projects like that, including the Monroe St.
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Adjacent projects, which would be our our parking lots and things like that, as well as parking lot resurfacing.
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This also shows where other funding project costs are coming in from other sources, including the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat
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Center, which has $3,000,000 in state grant funds and 333,000 in a congressional earmark.
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So the total of those, again the total projected project costs are 14.6 million with general fund carrying 10.3 million of that
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cost and other funding sources of about 4.2.
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There are still additional LATCF funds available. This list includes potentially using about 3.9 of those, which would still leave
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about 1.1 of LATCF funds.
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So that gives you an idea of where facilities is. You previously saw an idea of where public works is. So as we go to the next
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slide.
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There we go.
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We have a couple of pie charts here for you.
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This shows the sources for potential funding. So the pie chart on the left hand side is our public works projects.
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Which show the different sources for where those are. And you saw the list on the previous page. The right hand side shows the
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sources for the facilities projects. And we're here today to bring you an idea. And it's just an idea. This is a work session
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item. This is not an action item today. This brings you the idea.
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That we could consider going for another pledged revenue bond.
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Which would add the capacity for the county to consider some long term projects that would allow us to consider constructing a new
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administration building and including this courthouse renovation.
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So Mark Reeder from Steeple is here. Mark has been our partner on the last two.
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Last two bond issues that we did, one for PSPRS and one for the Tommy Klein Martin building and the animal shelter. And Mark is
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going to talk to us about what options are available for Arizona counties and what options other counties have done, what options
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are available to us. And some of these have a lot more detail in them than we'll be presenting today. This is information for you
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to have.
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So that.
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If you decide to encourage us to move forward and get more information, you'll have as much information as we have right now. So I
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will hand this over to Mark. Hopefully the lag on that slows down and if you have any questions, we're both here for you.
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Good morning again, Mark. Good morning.
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Oh, yes, the board. Good. Thanks for having me up again. Is Mr. Christensen on the phone or No, He's not unavailable. Oh, he's not
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available. OK. All right.
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Before I get started, did you have any other questions for Marin on your five year kind of CIP?
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Thought that was very well done and good job. As a county you've been largely a pay as you go capital county. All in all over the
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years you all work really hard to get as many grant, as many grants as you can. That was in the grid. So I thought the five year
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what we call high priority CIP plan was very well done. So I just wanted to before I get started, did you have any questions on
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the material that maybe Mayor?
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Supervisor client.
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Mark, I don't think so.
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I think it's very well put together. You know, looking at all the projects that cost projected costs money and all that. No, I
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think, I think it's very well put together.
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OK, very good. OK, so I'm going to go ahead and talk about this, this idea of.
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Maybe down the road would the county be interested in a long term bond financing to finance some pretty major potential
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improvements to the county? As I understand it, one is potentially a new administrative complex and Marin and you all are probably
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more familiar at it than me.
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And.
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Repositioning some of the land up here in a new admin or new offices for a large part of the county, OK. And that's my
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understanding that this building needs some pretty significant improvements.
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And so we are seeing a number of counties having to address their very old facilities. I've got a case study I'll share with you
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in a moment for Yuma County. You've all been to Yuma, you've all been downtown and they're literally in 100 year old building.
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So they made the decision to spend over 60 million for a new administrative facility.
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So we're seeing canals doing a bunch of new improvements, so we are seeing our counties.
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You know.
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Energy costs are way up. There's some energy efficiency going on that could help you with some savings and all that. So.
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Not uncommon to see our counties have to consider a bond you know it's darn this inflation is just really been hard on us haven't.
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I mean, we've really seen stuff double.
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And especially in the rural areas now you're not quite so rural, but you're still somewhat rural. And when we're opening bits now,
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we're kind of falling off our chairs.
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Now it's going to take you all a while to get all of your engineering and all your architectural and all of your.
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Your master planning documents done. So let's hope over the next year or so we start to see some of that cost rate go down.
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OK, umm.
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So in talking to Marin and to James a little bit in terms of our presentation.
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We started off with, well, what projects might you bond for? We shared that with you. And while you don't really have any cost
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estimates at the moment, maybe a little bit what what are you thinking?
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So just for starters, and bear with us here because these numbers are definitely going to change if you decide to move forward.
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Down below, you can see we're assuming about a $30 million project here between the new administrative facility and the reposition
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of your campus potentially and some additional improvements in this building.
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Outside what's being budgeted?
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All good. So the county's doing a good job with your general fund, you're doing a good job with your cash. And we have to manage
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our cash. We have to be, we have to have our cushions, right. But more than likely the county will be able to utilize some cash to
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reduce your borrowing if this project moves forward. So we started with 30.
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And we assumed a new admin somewhere around 25 in the courthouse renovation somewhere around 5 million. So let's go with 30
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million for the moment. OK, OK. That's that's kind of our starting point.
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I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this. We've spent time on this before. Counties have a lot of options when they want to
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pursue their capital improvement plan.
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And the most common option is what we've done for you before and that is the revenue bonds that Mary mentioned, very efficient
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ways in which the county would pledge revenues. You're a AA minus county. If you remember, we'll try to get you in that AA
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category. You're a strong county. You're very respected in the marketplace. So we would probably.
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And All in all, likely go go forward like we have in the past with this revenue bond.
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And then all the other options up on top.
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All the infrastructure projects our counties do, you can see our PS PRS down down there as well.
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On the left hand side, all the options up on the top under state law and having worked with your county for many, many years, I
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know that you all take issue and death very seriously and you're very careful and you're very measured. So I don't think you want
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to have a property tax. We're not suggesting that that's allowable under the law. And the rest of them are just other options out
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there. So we're going to focus on the revenue bond unless you tell us otherwise.
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That's more than likely the direction we're probably going to go.
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OK. So we won't spend a lot of time on that?
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This is your outstanding debt we've had the privilege of working with you all here over the years and I think what I'm going to do
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is go to this pie chart that we did was really good I.
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This thing's a little sensitive, isn't it? OK.
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So you've got me back up here a little bit, sorry.
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You have about 25,000,000 in debt.
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Bottom right hand corner.
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Page.
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Page 8. This is a summary of all your debt.
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On the left hand side is our copper administration building down below that's coming off the books this year. You had your final
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payment is done OK.
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We then did. In 2019 we did.
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A bond issue for.
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An animal shelter and TCM complex. I forgot what? Oh, that's that. Tommy Martin with Tommy Martin Thomas. Thank you.
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OK. So that was about 8.7 million for capital improvements and then in 2019 we get a refunding, saved you a bunch of money.
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As you can see. And then in 2020 we get a $16.8 million pension bond, remember.
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So good move on that.
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We got 2 to 3% money if you remember to refinance, 7.2% money.
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And we saved the county over 14,000,000, what they call expected savings.
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We wired 18,000,000 to PSPRS.
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In 2020, we're in 2024 now pushing 2025 and that money's been working pretty strong because the markets have been up.
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So you won on low interest rates and so far we've won with performance at PSPR, so all good there.
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That was a.
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I know that you all took that very seriously. We ended up doing it and All in all, I think everybody's happy with our pension
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bond. So I guess my point on this was a.
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Your public pension is the largest component of your balance.
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And as you know, public pensions have what?
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The unfunded liabilities of public pensions, including ASRS, are something that we all have to deal with on a budgetary basis, but
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they're large unfunded liabilities.
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So we tried to address yours with the pension bond and so far so good.
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OK. So that's give you a reminder on the history. This is the various debt service payments. You're about 2.3 million a year,
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pretty much level on all of those debt obligations.
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So as a percent of your budget, that's very reasonable. OK, Your county's been very careful and very measured with regard to
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issuing bonds over the years. So let's go 2.3652 point 3,000,000 if you want around.
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And if I look in the interest rate column, I really like 1 and 2% money. I even like that .505 to 2.3 on a pension bond, if you
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remember.
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OK. The 10 year treasury was less than 1% and it hit 4 1/2 this year as you know.
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So we took advantage of our opportunity on that. So I like, I like all this so far.
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And then this is a nice little pie chart and what I just went over for you.
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On your debt, On your debt load.
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At 2.3 million per year, OK. These are pledged revenues. If you remember all counties, how all counties do it, we've simplified
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this and turned it into a very strong credit for our Arizona counties and you had about 16,000,000 there in 2324, total revenues,
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pledged revenues.
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My apologies here, darn it.
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So.
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If we do a bond issue in the future, of course this is the pledged revenues, which is primarily your county general fund.
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You had a Goodyear about 4.9 million in 2223. Looks like 2324 estimated be about 4.6 million, so not too far off.
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Our state shared revenues are pretty consistent, pretty strong at about nine and a half million a year.
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And as you know, we got to deduct our all techs and our access, right?
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That's your portion and they net that out before it comes back to the county.
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So that's a net, what we call a net state shared pledgeable revenue. Our vehicle license taxes remain strong. I just bought a new
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vehicle and I about fell off my chair when I saw what the BLT was. We've all been there.
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But a great revenue stream for our cities and our counties.
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OK Pelt, pretty strong, so good job there. Umm.
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2324 looks like you're up a half a million.
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So we'll take it. And then you conservatively budget for 2425. So let's go 16,000,000 on pledged revenues, strong number.
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And then let's get down to the bottom line. As we wrap up here, interest rates are, as you know, dropping.
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So here's here's the there's the spike in interest rates over the last couple of years driven by what inflation, right, that we're
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all we're all struggling with. And the Fed, as you know, has been tapping the brakes and they tapped them last week at 50 basis
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points. So we're hoping going into 25 and the fourth quarter of 24, we're starting to see rates kind of go back down. Mortgage
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rates are dropping a little bit, right?
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Very much needed.
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And so I guess on this little spreadsheet here is to give you an idea, if you look in this column right here where it says AAA
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rated.
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Tax exempt bonds, 2:30 to 352.
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We did, we did boss one year boss from Healer County. We'll start with 2:30 to 325. You're not a AAA yet, so you have price a
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little higher than that. So I'm thinking if you were in the market today, we probably have you know, 35375 line.
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Not bad, we like 2% money. We got a little spoiled.
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Right. We had 2 1/2 percent mortgage money. Remember I got 2 7/8, so I was lucky. So I don't know that we're ever going back to
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those, but I would say three and a half, 375.
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4% money is pretty good money.
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So we ran some numbers here in a moment at 4 1/2. I think it is. So we're going to be, we have to be conservative.
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OK. I'm moving along here and then I'll pause in a moment. OK, a lot of numbers here, but here's basically what what Meredith
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asked us to do.
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If we could afford a $2,000,000 long term payment out of our budget.
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OK, reasonable.
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Out of your general fund budget for the next 20 years and they're they're comfortable with that number at the moment.
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And we amortize the bonds over 20 years and we use 4 1/2%. Marin asked me how much do we raise? So it's really simple math.
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There's a 2 million in column 6.
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And I solved it at 4 1/2 percent we get you 26,000,000.
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OK.
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That's close to the numbers that we talked about. I've got 30 million for the two projects. And then we said, well, let's just
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share with the board.
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Again, we know. We know you're careful.
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If you want to go out 25 years, these buildings last. As you all know, they last a long time.
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And maybe one of the pros of debt is you amortize it over a longer period of time to let future generations help pay for some of
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the debt service.
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That's the advantage of going longer. That's kind of a policy decision by the board.
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But if we go out five more years, we'll get you another $3,000,000 Simple now.
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So call that pushing 30.
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If we wanted to go a little longer on our amortization.
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OK. Let's wrap up and then we'll have some questions of the Board. Here's our Yuma project in the event itself, where you may have
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heard about it from your colleagues on the Board.
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There's their building. It's downtown. They actually purchased a building and tore it down.
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Location, location, location, right? And they wanted to have it downtown.
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And they're right in the middle of it. They're halfway done as they're going vertical.
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And that budget somewhere around 60 million and we got the detail in there for you to look and I think all and everybody's pretty
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happy with it and I think it's All in all coming on or around budget.
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With no major change orders that I'm aware of.
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$60 million administrative facility in downtown.
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OK. Hope that's helpful to you.
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Next Steps Chatted with with Marin and James and the team.
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About next steps, of course, would be to hire your construction professionals and your architects.
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And.
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Yuma County did this where you, they hired an owner's representative and Mr. Humphrey, I know you're a contractor. You, you know
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this way better than I do.
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But hire a consider hiring a construction Rep or what they call an owners Rep.
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There's a couple of them out there.
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Bring them in the room to help you get your arms around your projects. They know construction costs, they know cost per square
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feet, and they can help. Then if you want help, retain an architect.
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I have a team of people here and then once an architect is on board.
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And you start the design process by meeting with all appropriate county staff and elected officials.
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What do you want? I'm talking about the new building, for example. How do we want to design it? How many square feet do we need in
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the treasurer's office? All of those things go into it.
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And then start to put together the design. And then based on the design, start to put together the cost testimonies.
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Now that's probably going to take you a year.
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Depending upon how fast you want to move it.
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And then once the design is done and then you figure out your construction procurement a couple different ways on that.
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See them at risk with a guaranteed match price or you do a traditional design bid build. Again, that's where an owners Rep and an
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architect can be helpful in the bidding market. What is in the best interest of the county?
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So that's that's down the road for you, but for you to be thinking about.
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So that's, I know staff's been in touch with a few professional firms in that regard.
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Continue to communicate with our Board of Supervisors.
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Keeping everybody up to date on the cost estimates and the design process.
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And then if you want to proceed and you want to do a bond, we'll probably talking first quarter of 26, second quarter of 26.
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Or faster, depending upon, again, how fast the county wants to move.
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And then construction will commence shortly after the sale of bonds and when you award some form of a construction contract.
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So with that, that concludes my presentation. I hope that was helpful to the board and.
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All glad to answer any questions.
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Thank you very much for the presentation, and thank you very much for all that you've done for us in the past in helping us get to
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where we are today. Supervisor Klein.
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Mark, thank you.
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Good, good information, all of it. I mean, there's, there's a lot to think about on this. It really is. And, and you've worked
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with this enough to know that we are pretty conservative when it comes to money and everything else. But so that's, that's going
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to be the big question. We're living in a world right now with a lot of uncertainties until after probably the first of the year
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and, and so.
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You know, I there, there is a lot to discuss and there's a lot to discuss with the group and, and everything as far as that goes.
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We do have a lot of needs, legitimate needs. It's just for me personally, how do I balance that with my, our taxpayers? You know,
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that's where that's where I'm at. So, but this is really good and it's something I want to keep looking at and talk about some
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more.
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Yeah, I, like I said, I, I appreciate all you've done. I I like looking forward and, and it and it and I'm the kind of guy rather
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than put a Band-Aid on it, let's, let's fix it because it's just going to get more expensive down the road if we put a Band-Aid on
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it. A new facility. I didn't know anything about a new facility or maybe I just didn't pay any attention when that came up because
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I, I think we have some good facilities.
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A lot of a lot of work. But anyway, yeah, I, I, you know, like you say, without raising taxes, this is a good way to go if, if we
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can get money reasonable enough, rather than to break the Piggy Bank, it's better if you can get low interest money and spread it
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over a period of time. So, you know, 2 million, two million a year.
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Gets you 30 million. Like I say, a stitch in time saves 9.
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So with construction costs, I, I don't see them going down. Everybody says, and they've gone down a little bit, but that's like
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gas prices. Once they get it up there, you're not going to see dollar fifty gas. I don't think so. But anyway, I, I thank you very
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much for taking the time today. I apologize that Mister Menlo's not here and Mr. Christensen's not here. I'm sure on a work
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session there would be probably a lot more comments and maybe more questions.
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Come up. But I know you're available and you've helped us a lot. And, and like I say, I appreciate you being here today and, and
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the presentation and, and the way this is laid out. It's, it's very nice and, and easy to understand of, of where we've been and
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where we would be if we choose to go forward with a lot of these projects that we, that we need to get done because we've got,
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we've got more projects than, than we have.
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Finance money right now and so.
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It's a good way to go. And thank you for your presentation. Thank you for the compliments. I appreciate that. I hope to see you at
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CSA soon.
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And then I had a question in terms of going back to Phoenix. I got to go to the airport. Should I go up through pumpkin center
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Roosevelt or should I go back around Kearney? And I would go around the lake If I yeah, it it's it's a lot better view, lot better
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Rd. You know, because the road from from here to Jakes corner is a brand new road. You can set cruise control snakes road. And
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then you hit the the B line, the 87 and it's a a straight shot down to Phoenix. The other one is.
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Haley and Windy and kind of crazy. No sheriff, son. Don't worry about any sheriff.
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I just have called Supervisor Klein if you.
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Drive careful, Mark.
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Keep in touch and Mary did a great job on this. She told me to simplify it, so yeah.
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Thank you so much.
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And we'll see you guys soon. I got some questions for you, Mr. Chair, if I may. Yes, please do.
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So.
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You know, we've had a lot of conversations on different things and us as a county, we're just very spread out building wise. And
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so you know this you're looking at this and looking at some options that is a way of consolidating some things. Has there been any
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discussion say like if we took out the the building at Apache Blvd.
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The building down here, some other ones, how much money would that save us a year and just maintenance. So that's something that
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we are going to.
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Depending on your perspective, we're hoping to bring forward a proposal to work with an architect to come up with that calculation
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for you. We know at the very least it would save us the cost of the roof and the HVAC on the Central Heights project, which is
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over two and a half, $1,000,000. That's a year of debt service right there. And part of what we run into, as I'm sure you remember
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from previous discussions is.
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We have our expenditure limit.
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And the state tells us we can't spend our own money. You have money in the bank that you can't use without facing a penalty from
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the state. Whereas when you leverage debt service, the debt service is removed from that calculation.
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So this would, if you chose to move forward with project financing, that would free up funding to use throughout the year on
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projects without having to pay the state a penalty, which is a challenge. Alan McGuire was at the last conference we were at. I
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don't know if you remember him from some of your CSA projects, but Alan was on the original group that built that expenditure
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limit.
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And he's working with several counties to try to get it fixed.
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Because it is problematic. It's especially problematic for all the counties because the opioid settlement money that I'm sure
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you're familiar with from the one Arizona settlement is not excludable from your expenditure limit. So.
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Several counties are facing an opportunity.
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Where they're going to be choosing between whether they spend their opioid settlement monies to achieve those necessary outcomes
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or if they have to go out. And it's called a certificate of participation. It's a short term bond for 366 days where you borrow
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the money that you need to stay under your expenditure limit and then pay it back the first day of the following year.
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And I know that that gives you both. Well all three of you have Supervisor Christensen was here. It gives you all.
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The beginnings of an ulcer because you hate the idea of borrowing money just to play games with numbers. So we're trying to
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proactively think of ways that we can help you serve the constituents better, help you be more energy efficient if possible, and
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still stay within that expenditure limit without having to do anything goofy.
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That I'm right, and even as I'm saying it sounds goofy, like I should be here with a shovel.
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Just piling it on because it sounds like nonsense when I say it and we're in a ranching area, so there's plenty of that already,
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right? But the cost savings would that would require some engineering to evaluate for us to get back to your original question,
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the engineering firms that we've just talked to to find out if they offer those kinds of services.
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It looks like what they would start with.
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They would take our existing square footage, the departments that are housed in those square feet, and how the space both serves
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the public and internal departments, and they would compute.
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Like a working average. So let's say that Supervisor Humphries offices a certain size and Supervisor Klein's office is a certain
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size and Supervisor Christensen's office is a certain size. They would make sure that that size and efficiency stayed the same in
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the new facility. And then they would use that data across all the healing county departments to make sure that.
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There could be the same level of service that there would be room for growth and that if you choose.
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To consider new construction.
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That we would reduce duplicate spaces. So like let's say right now across all of the HeLa County offices and Globe, we have 10
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different kitchens and lunch rooms. Well, if we were all in one building, we wouldn't need 10 different kitchens, but you wouldn't
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need 30 microwaves or what have you. So they would propose consolidating to save funds that way, right, So that you don't have
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duplicate uses of space.
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They would also propose things to save money, like going with a high energy efficiency building so that the building itself would
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just cost less in your monthly APS bill and things like that. But these are pieces that we would need your permission at a regular
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meeting to go forward and even ask those questions officially, right? Not just us, like asking while we're networking with people,
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like what the options are.
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But to actually have a formal consultation where an organization would come in and talk to us and they wouldn't try to fit us. I
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thought the presentation was was still up. They wouldn't try to fit us into like a, a scaled version of Yuma County. They would do
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what what Gila County needs and what Gila County's people need to ensure that our constituents have access to everything they
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need.
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And the way that.
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We asked Stifel to put this together would include.
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The facilities that we own being updated and being.
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Sort of retrofitted to do what we need to do. So like the elevator out here.
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And the roof and things like that would still get done, right? We wouldn't wouldn't continue to forestall preventative maintenance
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and you know, and sort of moving forward to make sure that that we don't run into what we're in right now, right when you have
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sticker shock when facilities brought you the list of projects that needed done because they had been put off by previous
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administration.
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We are going to be living with the consequences of previous administrations choices for a while.
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And unfortunately, they're not here for us to throw wet noodles at. So those of us who are here are, are going to, you know, face
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the, the firing squad for that. And, and that's OK. That's a responsibility that we all accept. And, and we're willing to to face
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that difficulty in order to make sure that going forward, we don't get back in this situation.
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So, Mr. Chair, for me, Marin, we have like the property on 260 in Payson.
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You know, my opinion is it's worth quite a bit of money that we're never going to use ourselves. I don't see us ever using that.
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The proper building down here, the modulars, they have about outlived their lifetimes, you know, and so we have these things
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sitting out there. So, so, so let's take like the property on 260 if we all came to terms and we wanted to go ahead and pursue
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selling that property.
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Then that would just be put into an account that would help us pay like towards this $2,000,000, let's just say a year or
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something like that. Or that would be up to the board. And that is something that if you wanted the engineers to evaluate what
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that could do, they could build that into one of their or several of their.
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Approaches, right? Because they're not just going to bring you one plan and be like here, this is it. Do it. They're going to
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bring you choices.
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So that you have the information that you need with the professional preparation without worrying whether all the questions have
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been asked, right? Because you'll have that opportunity to ask those questions and will be.
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Assuming you, you choose to move forward will be engaging the professionals. So you're not counting on us as staff to to ask
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questions that maybe we're not astute enough to to ask or we're not because we're not in the business of doing that. We don't know
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to ask ahead of time.
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No, but you're gonna get the questions to ask on the dollars though. Absolutely. So questions on the dollars, I'm fine answering.
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It's, it's the questions on how do we make the buildings more efficient and how do we serve our people that I struggle with.
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And we were dealt the hand we have, you know, when we came on board, we were dealt with a lot of a lot of stuff that needed fixed.
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And, you know, I don't know what Supervisor Humphrey thinks, but when I look back at it, we've come a long way already. We've done
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a lot, you know, and so.
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It's just to me, I wish I had that crystal ball that you could look in the future because you know, yeah, you could go. We could
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go on and and fix just about everything that needed fixed, but.
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I'm still concerned.
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About our constituents in Hilah County and tax bases and things like that. You know, it's, it's like.
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Do we want to drive something out to work at the bottom does fall out like back in 08 or something like that? Then what do we do?
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Can we handle it with what we got without raising the taxes still and doing things like that? Oh, those are the kind of questions
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that I have.
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The other thing I think it really.
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Really, really needs to be hammered down.
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Just exactly what do we need?
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We can all sit around and create a wish list, that's easy. But what is it? Do we absolutely need to function as a county? And so
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so just just so you.
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Can sleep tonight.
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When I was preparing the 2025 budget, I did project out.
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The next.
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This is going to sound ridiculous to you both. I projected out the next 30 years and if we were to bond for a significant project,
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what that would do, what our ongoing ability to invest in construction would be like so we could make sure that we kept our
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preventative maintenance going.
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What it would do to our cash flow reserves, right, Because you have the reserve but you want to keep it, you don't want us to
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spend it.
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This $2,000,000.
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In the imaginary presentation that's not there anymore, the $2,000,000 was the number that I came up with based on that was that
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that's how much more debt service we can fit in over the next 30 years without adversely affecting your cash balance, which is 16
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and a half, $1,000,000 right now. And that's, that's an accomplishment of this board to, to keep that on the balance sheet and not
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mess with it.
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And that $2,000,000 a year would also ensure.
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That we weren't running into the expenditure limit.
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So it.
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It seemed like overkill while I was preparing the budget, but I keep seeing these growing lists of capital projects and these
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lists of incomplete preventative maintenance from from the past eight, 1012 years. And I wanted to make sure that the budget you
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adopted earlier this summer wasn't going to put you in a situation that we couldn't recover from.
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If the bottom were to fall out.
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As you stipulated, it would affect our excise tax and it would affect our state share revenue most, right, because those are your
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sales taxes.
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That's part of why we built PILT into the pledged revenue bonds when we first went out for PSPRS and Potomac Klein Martin building
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and the animal shelter.
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Because we wanted to make sure that if something were to happen to the economy, that our constituents, your constituents would not
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be facing a tax increase because we can't increase taxes to pay pledged revenue bonds. That's the beauty of a pledged revenue
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bond. If you were to choose a general obligation bond, that would require us going to the constituents and saying, hey, we're
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going to potentially raise taxes in the future. We would have to put.
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On the ballot and it would have to pass for the majority vote from the constituents. That's a perfectly valid option if you would
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like to do that. Sledge Revenue is safer for your constituents. It is safer for.
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The entire county and it's safer for the investors, right, because they can see, we report every year, they can see that our
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revenue was holding up. So when Mark referred to the $16,000,000 earlier and that's $16,000,000 we have coming in, that's
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currently paying 2.1 million on the PSPRS bond, the copper building which she said the last payments this year and the Tommy Klein
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Martin and animal shelter.
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So you've got 16 point, I think it's 16.8, it's 16,000,000 servicing 2 million. So you've got another 14 million in capacity that
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you could use. Obviously, we wouldn't want to do that. You don't want to have $16,000,000 in annual debt service. That's crazy.
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The other thing that we didn't include in this presentation because we're just not at that point when you choose to go for a bond.
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You're required by federal law to expend the money within three years. You're required by federal law to be at least 65% of the
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way through the project within the 1st 18 months.
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So you have to scale whatever you're borrowing to be whatever you can achieve in that length of time.
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Which also drives the dollar amount, right? So it's what you can do in debt service and what you can conceivably get done in a
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three-year time frame. If you don't do it within three years, you start paying penalties on the money you borrowed.
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So it's sort of difficult to simultaneously scale those things while being aware of, you know, the potential that the economy
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might hiccup. But we've tried to bring all those into consideration before we even brought this to you for even as a talking point
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today. And, and again, this is a work session item. This is purely information.
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We're not asking you to make a decision today.
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Should you choose to advise staff to go forward, all we would be doing right off the bat would be potentially bringing you the
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state contract to approve us working with Stifel.
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And potentially a state contract to approve working with an architect and potentially an owner's representative. And even if I
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even if you told me to do it today, we couldn't even have that to you until the second meeting in October.
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So I.
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I apologize, Supervisor Humphrey, that this conversation didn't get had before. I must have misunderstood something that I had
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heard that that we had.
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Had management discussions with each of the supervisors about the potential of a new building. I apologize for that. I will make
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sure that I.
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Follow up better on on those kinds of discussions and not trust that I wrote it down right in a meeting.
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The the potential location.
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Would require quite a bit of groundwork, but it would be this back corner of the property over here is what would potentially be
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the new footprint for that.
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And it's it would be a significant undertaking, but looking forward five years in the future, we wanted to make sure that that we
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were empowering you to have these conversations and thoughts now so that you have time to think about it and time to evaluate what
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your options are. As supervisor client said, there are plenty of facilities and properties that we could definitely.
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Include in an evaluation.
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So, Mr. Chairman.
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You know.
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There's there's more than one goal. I mean, one of the goals would be is just a consolidation of of county people.
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You know, and, and, and quit this scattered out stuff. You know, we've, we've, we have these buildings, we still have the
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Michelson building setting down here right to, to do something with the ad that's.
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Don't we have an idea with the city of Globe on that job?
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We did have. I don't think the city of Clovis got their funding to do their part.
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They've gotten.
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The ICA was prepared.
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I'd prefer to three months ago.
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I don't know what it is.
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OK, Michael, go ahead. You're a supervisor's. Yeah, as far as the Microsoft goes, I can give you a quick update on that. So as Joe
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said, the city of go overseas, Dearmont money about two years ago, $750,000 and they have to come up with a 25% match. That money
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is going to be used to remodel the entire inside of the Michelson building to make a incubator for local businesses.
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And on Gila Counties end, Mr. Menlove has instructed our facilities department to remove all the old equipment and furniture
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that's damaged as being stored in the building on the 1st floor. We're going to be removing that. And then we're also going to be
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getting a contract price on demolishing the entire inside to get it ready for the City globe to do tomorrow. So that's where we
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are right there if you have any questions.
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Be happy to answer that.
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So there was there was a one point in time, a discussion about.
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An IGA with the city of Globe and Gila County.
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For the CD Globe to turn over the earmark money to Gila County so our facilities department can manage the, you know, the model
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project. But I think that hit a snag with federal requirements right now. My last conversation with City Globe is that they
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believe the federal guidelines will not allow them to give the money to Gila County to manage the project. They have to manage the
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Romano project themselves.
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So refresh my memory, Michael, when this is all done on the Michelson building, were we still going to own that building or we
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were we going to work a deal with Globe to for them to take ownership of that? We have owned the building, but it's going to be a
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joint incubator for business building use. That's exactly that's where they'll be used for.
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Okay, you know, I had these questions, you know, because this seems to be dragging on that particular project quite a bit. So I
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was curious where we are and where Globe is and.
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All that, it's been a challenge in talking with the city of Globe, it's been a challenge accessing this $750,000 so we could start
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doing model of that.
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They've had a challenge getting through that 750,000.
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Is that because of their match money or no? They have the match money, it's just the process and how they have to go about access
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the grant money on the federal side.
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Because as we all know, we learned a couple years ago when the earmarks came back into play, the federal government would give the
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money to a department that they felt was best suited to pass the money through for the local organization. And a lot of times
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those federal agencies do not have a process in place to be passed through grants. They actually have to create a new pathway,
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which can take a little bit of time on the federal government side.
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So I would think that, you know, if there's a way that we could ever work towards consolidating more people, getting us on these
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buildings, getting rid of some of these buildings, that's going to generate savings to the county.
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Just from the facilities part, maintenance and so forth.
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To some extent, I mean isn't going to pay for everything we would want to spend to to build new stuff or fix stuff, but it would
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help. I mean that would show.
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So it's being pretty responsible for our properties at the county owns and everything. And we've still, we've talked about it, you
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know, in other lands we've talked about is Buckhead Mesa once that's done and maybe consolidating the Pine Road yard, the
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Buckhead, Buckhead Mesa, which gives us more property to get rid of.
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We still have 7 pieces of property in Winkelman and Aden the county owns outright.
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That we needed to let go, get it sold, get it out there and back on Tactical so.
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These are all questions that I see for me that that are pretty important. We can't just keep.
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Adding building, whatever you may say and keep scrolling out, we need to, we need to somehow rein that in and do what we need to
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do there. And Lord knows we have a plenty to fix legitimate issues to fix Fairgrounds Electric, this building and you, you have
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seen a long list of projects.
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Mr. Chair, right now, that's all I have. OK. Yeah. I, I kind of feel like I was led down a path today to create a new magic
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building that's going to fix everything, and I don't, I don't.
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I didn't, I didn't come prepared for a new magic building. It's going to fix everything. I thought we were going to reach for some
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money to kind of repair the things that we have and work within the things that we have. Because I, you know, if I've got an older
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truck that needs an engine, is it, let's just throw it away and go buy a new one because it's cheaper to pay $2,000,000 a year
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than it is.
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Whatever it is to fix it so and there again, I don't know if we borrow money, if we have to spend it in three years.
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We can't spend it in fixing some of the older buildings. That's why we're just going to build a new magic building because we can
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do that in three years and that'll lead up to $30 million instead of trying to do the electrical in this building that may take
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three years just to get that organized, so.
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As this list as the list, I apologize that that wasn't clear. As the list lays out, we would still be fixing this building.
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This building, when we get the new Magic building, what are we going to do with all these buildings that we've been fixing?
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Well, some of them like like the Apache Blvd. the school over there, we would just be turning that back. Yeah, we don't own the
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Central Heights building. I understand, right. And this building with the expected growth in court services in the next 5 to 10
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years, we would this entire building could be used by court services.
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OK. And by this is the first I've heard of that.
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We're sort of at that difficult teeter totter of.
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Giving you too much information and apparently not enough information. So again, I apologize. I had been told you don't you don't
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need to apologize. You know, I mean, that's why we have work sessions and that's why I get frustrated that we don't have more work
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sessions. So I don't get kind of pushed in a direction that's a direction we need to go because then I feel like this and it's
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like, wait a minute, I I.
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I don't know why I'm going down this hallway because OK, in what, in a few years our court system can use this whole building
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being I just heard that today. OK, what, what's the state going to kick into that? Or is that the counties responsibility for, for
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all of this that's going on? I, you know, I mean, that's why I like to have work sessions because I don't like to walk around
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blind. And sometimes I feel that you're just there to say yes and make a motion and pass the motion and.
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Take care of everything else. It's like I want to help in those decisions. I want to kind of know what the full, what the full
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picture is, not just the piece that that I want to be shown.
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That's fair. One of the things that I know was helpful in our previous financing was that we had prepared like a pocket
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publication for each of you to have. If you choose to move forward or even if you just choose to move forward with a scaled
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version of these projects, we would give you that so that when constituents have questions, you would have like a point of
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reference that you could either share with your constituents.
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Keep as reference for yourself because you don't want to carry this around. This is too much, right? This is the simplified
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version, but it's still too much. And we would make sure that as we were developing that, that we worked with your executive
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administrative assistant to make sure that any questions you had such as well, what would we use this building for so that those
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are covered there so that you don't feel.
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Like you feel today when your constituents have questions for you so that you could feel.
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Prepared and empowered to to respond to those and umm.
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The feedback that you provided us today is really useful and important and something that we will definitely make sure in the
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future that when somebody tells me, oh, yeah, I talked to all three supervisors about this ahead of me coming in here and looking
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like a clown actually got done. You don't look like a clown. Oh, I got the big rubber nose. You know, my two cents on all this is,
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is like Supervisor Humphrey said this.
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These are the only way we can sit down and talk, even me and him. I mean, we, we can't. I've, I've said it before and I'll say it
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again, that one of the biggest injustices to me is the open meeting laws and the way they're set up. But when we have work
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sessions like this, this is the way we both have a chance to talk and learn and, and, and get better ideas like from Mark and, and
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you Marin on all this. I mean, this, this is put together very well.
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With, with the projects, with the figures and everything like that and so.
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You know, it, it starts making you think on what what's the best way going forward? I mean, if you look behind us, when we did the
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Tumble Martin Fine building, when we did the animal shelter, when we bonded out PSPRS, those were absolutely good moves for us to
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make.
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We saved a lot of money from the PSPRS part of it, the animal shelter. We were getting ready to get kicked out of that over there,
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and so we had.
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A road to go down that was you didn't have to guess where you needed to go. That's what we needed to do. When you refinance 7%
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money for 2% money, no doubt those are almost free, no doubt and and, and yeah, and so.
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I think a magic new building would be a great thing, but at the same time I want to know what we're doing with with the other.
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And and and properties that are sitting there, you know I.
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I have been a supervisor for eight years and asked what's going on with the patient property a million times.
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Even put some equipment up there and use the granite on our roads, something and.
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And nothing's happened with it and so, but, but we can go forward and build a new one. OK, well.
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Let's figure out some of the other things as well and and if and if there's any other more animals like the court system gonna
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need this whole building of of years.
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What other monsters are out there that you guys are slaying that I don't know anything about? You know, it would be. It would be
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nice to know.
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Hey, Leviathan Zoology. Next work session, Michael.
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Yes, thank you, Chairman. Yeah, the magical new building, you should call it was just a conceptual discussion. It really wasn't a
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building that we are designing or planning. Got a location?
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They have a location, yes, yes. Anyways, it's a conceptual idea. And then the idea was to to gauge the opinion on the board
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possibly moving forward with bonding issues.
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And one of the struggles we have is.
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Is with the copper building with and the parking lots, the the age of that those trailers that were put together over there are
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coming to an end and, and all the repairs with the Central heights. So I believe what I'm hearing from you, Sir, is you want to
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see more comprehensive plan from county administration facilities to to address some of these issues. And I couldn't I couldn't
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agree with you more. I think that's that's the direction I will talk to Mr. Manblov and my staff about.
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Get a more specific plan in place for for all of these bigger issues and present it in one package because I think we're piece
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mealing it a little bit. So I agree with you, Sir. And I'll, I'll work with staff to get that done.
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I agree with that. You know, if we just have an idea.
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Not even an idea. We just have a direction that we all agree on and we're going to work towards going forward. You know that this
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is what we want to do. Now, how we get there, that's going to involve some more discussion. But you know, do we want to shrink it
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down on buildings? Do we want to fix and leave what's there? I mean, there's a lot of things, but like.
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The one that is going to bite us is going to be that copper building down.
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That's coming up. Your office might just do this one day, so.
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Every time the AC starts, it shakes the wall. Yeah, yeah. And that's, I mean, that's something we were dealt and we deal with it.
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That's fine. But. But yeah.
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And, and yeah, and, and I understand too that, you know, this is just a work session so we can talk about things. So no, you don't
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have the big rubber nose. This is just communication because none of this is we, we don't know of any savings or anything until
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like you say, we hire professionals to kind of look at this and give us.
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An idea of whether it's best to fix some of the things or or what can we do?
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To better move forward.
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With the new building or whatever we need to do. And, and so I, I guess what, what I'm needing to know, what I would like to know
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is I understand what these professionals are going to do. They're going to look at, at cost and how we can best do what we can do
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for the, for the, for the best cost, bang for buck. And, and so do we know really what these professionals are going to cost?
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Do we know what what the?
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What information we're going to ask them for, like to look at our property values that are sitting there and and what could we do
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to bring that in to help the scope of work of what we need to do going forward.
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Those would be included in the request for proposal from them. Sure. And so if, if, if this is kind of a work session to I mean,
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I'm all for listening to professionals on, on.
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On what we need to look at and be cost effective going forward with the space that may be needed going forward.
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I, I, you know, I would like to, I would like to see what, what that magic number is, because either we can afford these
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professionals, we have to borrow money to hire these professionals to see how we can borrow money to better help go forward. You
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know what I mean? But but I would, I would be interested in hearing.
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What what we can do to get better efficient?
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On on where we need to go.
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You know, one of the things I would say to that is too is, is that.
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I, I feel like we, we need to start with the professionals we've got that are standing here.
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You know, and us you've got ideas, you know, if you think about it while Michael Wood and everybody else, but then come out with
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the with the with the consultant type to say, hey, this is what the group came up with the direction. Now how do we get there and
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what's it going to cost?
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You know how many Michael, how many employees now does he the county have 500 and something.
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We have 463 full time active staff at the moment.
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And a lot of those are in pacing or some of those are in and then we've got another 100 and 25130 budgeted that are not filled.
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Ya.
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You know, and so when it gets right down to it, the number of employees and and things like that, that we would if we went with
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something to reduce buildings and consolidate, that's something to think about too. How many of those people would be moving been
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somewhere else, I don't know.
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And so I think that to me it just seems like.
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As a county, we kind of need to know what what we want to do. I mean, we've talked about a lot of things here, but but you know,
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myself and whoever you guys, you know, we need more thinking about it, but we definitely need more work sessions or another work
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session on on something like where, what do we want to do? What are we going to go? And we definitely learned.
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Some lessons during the Tommy Klein Martin development process about where we need to draw lines around.
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That process so that it doesn't become an endless wish list, right, so that we can be reasonable about it and make sure that.
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Our service to the community supports the growth or consolidation that we're looking at and not just Oh well, I want a bigger
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office with a window. So where do I get that as opposed to OK, we're going to serve?
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350 people a day, how do we make sure that we have enough ingress and egress and adequate staff service so that they can visit the
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department that they need get served in a timely manner and then still be able to get on with their day and not take a day off
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work, you know, to come interact with our staff and things like that. So and I know that over the past couple years the board has
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really.
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Smartly invested in digitization and other processes that are projected to improve our community service going forward and our
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constituents access to information and those projects have taken longer than you expected.
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So we may need to have like a chart on the wall that.
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Cases our projects against whether or not we get the Forest Service admin site free and clear from Congress and we'll raise them
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against each other and and we'll offer some illegal.
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Off books, activities for people to wager on those. You may have to explain that sometime, Mary, but yeah, but think about it. You
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could do that and have a fundraiser. Oh yeah, the nonprofit could do it. Yeah, there you go. But.
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I know that the only thing slower than bureaucracy is documenting bureaucracy, and you've both encountered that a lot here today.
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So I appreciate your patience and your willingness to to even entertain today's presentation. And I look forward to us having
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better information for you that answers your questions and opens the door to more questions. The more we can talk, the happier I
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am.
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Chairman and Supervisor Klein. So yeah, one of the ideas here in this work session was to gauge your your thought process on
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whether you'd be open to bonds for some of these projects. So I think, I think the next step is to have several work sessions and
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to prioritize the list like Supervisor Humphrey was saying.
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Current projects, current buildings, what we need in that we we do have a comprehensive list of what we need in the current
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buildings.
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They are old and they are, you know, there are similar pairs that need to be done. And then and then since it was just a
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conceptual discussion, bring back the possible complex building discussion for, for many more conversations, because that is a big
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project that's that would be that would involve staff trying to put together a package to work with.
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Consultants to find out how much we would actually save with energy efficiencies.
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HVAC's moving out of the Central Heights complex, those kinds of things like what the questions you're asking supervisor, that
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would certainly be part of the discussion. So that, I believe is what the plan is moving forward, unless you have other ideas.
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Yeah, No, I, I just feel as if we're looking at, at, at, at two different situations 1.
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Being able to operate in what we have because.
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If the electricity goes out of here, we can't operate in this building, so to me that's one thing.
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And some of our other buildings that have aged, we need to function and we can't throw them away, just move into a new building.
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So if we spend a lot of money fixing these.
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Then to me it's a whole nother deal going forward to look at building something that can be more efficient in the future.
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But if and if we do that, then we also need to know what we're going to do with what we leave behind.
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You know, kind of like the schools, you see all these old schools that are falling down because the school did something more
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energy efficient or whatever they did, but they didn't think about what they were doing with their old falling down schools.
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And so to me, we're looking at fixing stuff and then we're looking at a new efficient building and, and to put those all together
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as to me as I, I, you know, that's, that's.
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That would be an awful lot of expense. And then we've got these buildings that are functional now, but it's got no electricity and
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it'll function for a long time, but we're we're, we're building a new one in two years. So what are we going to do with this
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efficient building?
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That's all. No, I agree, Sir. And we'll keep those projects, if the current projects that we have listed for a priority, you know,
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replacing the roof on this building, those kinds of things that need to get done, we'll certainly present in the next work
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session, fleshy by the way, in the next work session, we'll certainly keep that separate and give you different lists and keep the
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possible complex.
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Concept in one work session and then the current project that we need.
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It would also help in in in if we reach out for for borrowing money.
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What are we borrowing money for?
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And and and and where's that money gonna go? And what's that gonna do for us? And I'm all for looking down the road at what a new
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facility would do for us.
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But I think we have, I think we have more problems.
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Right now then.
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In the new building. But anyway, if that has been raked over the coals enough, sure, Marin's had all the fun she can have. Oh, I
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don't know, we still got what, another five hours here at work today?
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Yeah, OK. Supervisor trying to get anything else. No, I'm good. I, I appreciate this discussion and and I really appreciate Mark
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and Mary and you guys are working on all this and I look forward to more so.
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So we'll bring back more at the October 29th.
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Work session that is correct.
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You got it. Thank you. OK, thank you. Have a good day. Thanks.
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OK, we're going to move on to regular agenda item 2D information discussion regarding an update on the activities of the Community
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Development Department.
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You got a pretty hard act to follow there, my friend.
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It's a good thing there's only two of us today.
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Good morning or afternoon close to I'm Randy Plummer of the Community Development Director, as you know morning supervisors. So
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today what we're going to talk about is community development, an exciting department that deals with.
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Building, zoning and code enforcement. Pretty much the three things that most of your constituents don't like.
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But we have been looking at stuff and have been working with Michael and other departments to look at making things more efficient
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and better for the constituents to deal with.
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As you can see, one of the first things, one of the big questions we usually get asked is when do I need a building department or
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building permit for? Well, to be honest with you, that's an impossible question to answer. It's, it's fast. There's a lot of
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different things that incorporate into that how it's done, where it's done and all that good stuff. So what we did was, and these
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are on our website.
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First thing is what you don't need a permit for, so that's easier to address.
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What you don't need a permit for, then what you do need a permit for? So we did it for both residential and commercial and they
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said these are on our website and we hand them out at our front counters. So when someone comes in, do I need a permit for this?
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We tried to hand this out and what we're really trying to accomplish here is to get people to call.
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Can I get some of those handouts from my public meetings? Yes, Sir. Thank you.
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We're really trying to get people to call in because this has been an issue with, I will tell you at every building department
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that I deal with, which is all of Arizona, we have meetings, associations and stuff and getting people to call in and ask the
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questions and then ask the right questions because they don't want to get a permit. So they'll turn around and try to tell you I'm
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just doing a shed. Well, they don't tell you they're doing a shed in the floodplain next to the.
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Yard line next to over the sewer system that is a foot off the property line. So that's where staff comes in and we got to ask
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those questions. And sometimes people may or may not want to give us all of the information, but it's staff's responsibility to
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help pursue that and to get the information so that we can provide that answer.
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And what we've done to help incorporate that is twice a month now I combine both offices through Zoom and we have in house
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training on very specific topics.
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So that way that hopefully that no matter what office that you go to or what staff member you talk to, you will get the same
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answer. And I know that people have complained in the past that oh, I went this way. I hear one thing. I went over here, talk to
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someone else, got a different answer. Some of that is true and some of that is because they ask different questions in a different
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way. I want this shed on my property.
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There's a whole lot different than what I really want to shed in the floodplain.
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And then we find out, well, it's next to the property line. So I mean some of the confusion can come from not getting all of the
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information and that's what we're working with staff to.
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Ask that question. I will tell you tomorrow we will have in house training on investigation and to find out what's going on, on
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prior buildings, what happened on prior buildings. So they get a permit. They did not get a permit. Why didn't they get a permit?
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Did someone say it didn't need a permit? And so we're going to have all of the staff members.
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Not the inspectors, but they'll be out in field doing inspections and all the office staff, permit, tax plans, examiner planning,
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we'll all be in that kind of training and we're doing that twice a month.
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So this is all good stuff and part of the issues that you guys have helped support is moving towards digitization or digitizing.
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We are currently we have no files in any office that has to do with parcels.
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They are all at the.
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Digitizer guy, Iron Mountain is who's doing it for us. Dave came and got all of the files out of Patient and out of Globe. So
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basically I have about 67 empty file cabinets right now. Still have some information on them that we're dealing with and we'll be
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moving forward to changing that. But that is one of the things you guys have helped support and are moving forward. We are
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actually hoping to get it completed by the end of this year.
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Here where everything is copied, digitized and we have access to, and I will tell you currently staff is going through a list of
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about 100,000 pieces of paper. We're trying to make sure they're all readable. So literally, I've had people come in on Saturday
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for five hours, I haven't come in on a Sunday, and they literally are going page by page by page.
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To make sure they're readable and to make sure that they're.
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Documented where they're findable. So in other words, doesn't do me a whole lot of good to have 20 parcels digitized, but they
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don't have a parcel number on them. I will never be able to research those. So I will tell you staff is diligently and and and.
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It's not fun, but it is getting done. So we may be done with the digitizing by the end of the year, but I'm not authorizing final
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payment until we get through that list. Because at that first we found all the pictures that we have in these files were black.
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And so that doesn't do us any good. So we made them go back and recopy those at a different.
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DPI, whatever they call it, stuff to make sure that we could see those and they were part of the file. So that's what staff is
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currently doing.
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We've also, thanks to your help, have worked on a new permitting system. We went from trackit.net. We are now currently on, it's
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called community development, which is from Tracket, newer version, it's online. They're still working on our portal. We just got
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credit cards. We're able to go through the portal now so people can pay online at their home and.
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Take care of all that stuff. They'll be able to look up their own stuff. So we're hoping that as training goes on, not only with
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staff but with the public, that if someone wants a public records request.
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For their property go on pull up, you can look where your own septic system is. I will tell you there are a lot of septic
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companies that don't keep records because they keep requesting our copies so that they can redesign or or repair a system. So.
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It's, it's vastly important. We also are going to tablets. My inspectors will hopefully in the very near future. We went through
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two trainings. We're having a little bit of issues with the.
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Offline, when they're in a place that doesn't have cell service, which is a lot of healer county, but we have tablets now that
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they'll be able to fill in. And actually when they come into a area that has service, it will e-mail the person on the list the
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report. So we don't get, well, I never saw the report, The wind blew it away.
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All the things that we've had happen.
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And it automatically will load into the system.
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When the inspector gets back. So we are trying to upgrade these kind of things.
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I will tell you we're working on a new building codes. We are currently on the 2012 international code and I will have an IGA in
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January. I believe that we're.
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Going to be a hard time for. I will tell you it's a vast difference. There's a big difference between 2012 and 2024 code.
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And that's going to take a lot of time with contractors and talking and coming up with all that stuff. But if we don't go to the
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new code, we are going to get listed as a 8:00 to 9:00. It's one to 1010 being worse, one being best. Right now we're a four. And
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that affects our has a possibility affecting. They don't have to accept it, but they do. The insurance companies determine
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people's insurance rates.
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Based on three things, once your fire system, 1 is your billing department and one is your public works. So in other words, can
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they get there?
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Tire system, if it's in place, if there is, how was it put in and then what building codes and what they were inspecting to. So
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that's a big issue and it's a big thing I will tell you.
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Contractors don't like change. They don't want to move forward with this. A lot of it is and as you guys were just talking about
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your, your buildings, a lot of the new code is, I mean structural. Structural, don't be wrong. If a beam can hold this much
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weight, that doesn't change using the codes, but a lot of where you can place those codes, what hardware you can use for those,
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those kind of connections will change, but energy efficiency is a huge part of the code now.
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It used to be a separate code.
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That was over here. You could adopt it or not adopt it. Now. It's part of the IBC and the IRC that makes you adopted. Now we still
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can remember we do not have to adopt the 24 code International as a whole.
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It is designed to work from here to.
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New York to Hawaii and beyond, what we will do is we'll go through and make amendments to accommodate for our snow loads, our wind
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loads, I.
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That we don't need to worry about a 90 LB snow lobe when we have it, how we top out at 40 lbs. So we'll be looking at those and
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those will be amendments that we'll make to the change and that becomes the building code ordinance. And and that is one of the
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new things that we'll have to be working on too. We are currently working with an IGA to bring income in. There's there's expired
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increments.
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IGA will be. We've got that in. Now we're just waiting for the.
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Other board to approve it so that we can get it on the board agenda item for you guys to approve. I just had a phone call
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yesterday with the state on our.
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IGA for manufactured homes and we want it. We feel that you guys want us to keep that because you do a lot of manufactured homes.
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And what happens is if we don't have that IGA, then the state's got to come down every time to do an inspection. And that will
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just slow down the process where our guys are driving by anyway are trained there. There's some actual new training that'll have
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to go through for the IGA to go through, but our guys are driving by.
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House every day. There's no reason we can't look at the Jack or the connection systems that we've been doing for years. But our
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current IGA is expired. I have been talking to them to make sure that they allow us to continue to do what we're doing. But the
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IGA, they required some training that they don't provide. So there's no place to get the training that they say you have to have
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for the IGA. Stuff was kind of been slow in this town.
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So that's dealing with building. Like I said, we're we're trying to get people to call us on a more regular basis and we can
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answer those questions so that they can get all the information that they need.
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The other Part 1 of the other sections is code enforcement and this is what be honest with you. The more people see than than they
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know or realize that they know.
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Everything that we do in code enforcement is a lot of visual.
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You drive by a house that has a bunch of junk contraction debris in it stands out to you. That is not what the county wants as our
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face, so we work pretty hard with code enforcement.
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Jessica has made some new interpretations that allow us to do some stuff where we used to not be able to.
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Site the occupant which is the person causing the issue and if we have an out of state or out of area owner they're much harder to
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get a hold of.
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We're under the new direction that we've received is we can go site the occupants for the issue and that that's helping. We're
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also trying to get to where we get to every code enforcement.
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Project every two weeks.
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So if someone calls it in we used to not make a case. So if you someone called in a complaint.
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We drive by it, but we never documented it. So now if anyone complaints, we make a case because now I have a place to document it,
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Say there's it's not valid or it is valid, but now I have a place for those notes to go. We can track that stuff and do better
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with that. One of the other things we're doing is making a master list of all of these violations.
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Or problems. Supervisor Humphrey uses that list quite often.
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I'm currently having staff make a master list of all the areas. So if Supervisor Klein wanted to know what violations are occurred
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in Whispering Pines, I will have a list that I can give you so that if you have a constituent and art will be updating that. And,
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and as we go out to the site and say we visited, there's been no change. There has been change so on and so on that will be added
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on there with the date.
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Michaels came up with format so.
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It's not what our system currently does, so it's kind of a.
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Labor intensive list, but I've actually been in contact with the new permitting system of writing the report in in the format that
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we want, the format they have. It gives you a whole lot of information that you will never use. So we're trying to fix that. I
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will tell you we're complaint driven.
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But that does not mean we don't drive the street. So what I directed code enforcement is, is when they drive the street, so they
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got a complaint at house 123 here they drive the whole street and look for any other violation from the street on the rest of that
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road.
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You'd be surprised how many people call in a complaint and have several violations of their own, but they want to point finger at
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someone else and leave me alone. So I don't think that's fair because we've been accused of you're picking on me now we got a
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complaint, we deal with that. We used to go to that house. It doesn't matter what we drove through or by, we would turn around and
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leave. So now we go there, look at that house, decide what we need to decide.
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Drive the rest of the houses around to see if there are any other violations. I will tell you one of the biggest problems we have
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is contacting people.
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I don't think you guys realize how many dead people there are that own houses.
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There's a lot of them. And what the state law requires is that I have to contact someone to be able to pursue and go to hearing
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officer or pursue any of the Novs or anything else. And if I.
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I don't have the communications to a dead person on a normal basis, so it makes it very hard to move forward. And then you will
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have, as Supervisor Humphreys tried to get dealt with at the state. Well, whoever's paying that housing tax or the land tax that
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they could be held liable. So far that hasn't gone through. And then we have kids that go out and live in the house.
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But have no right to be in that house that's never went through probate. It hasn't gone through.
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Wills or anything else. And so I can't I can now cite them because they're the occupants, but I can't cite them as the owner. So
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it it's it is a big issue and sometimes people just don't pick up their mail. I mean they see we send out.
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Certified Mail.
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They don't want anything, they know they're in violation. This is not new and they just don't pick it up. And then at some point
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post office returns to us and says sorry undeliverable. We I have been using the constable trying to get out there but just
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yesterday I received one at 15 attempts to try to get someone at a house.
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And failed on 15 different times.
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And had David went to places that the neighbor said, well, he's over here or she's over here. They would go there. They were
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really working hard. And I got to tell you, the council's been awesome. They're great to work with. They try hard, but there are
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people that.
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Don't want to be found and it makes it tough. And then you get the neighbors complaining and then the neighbors come and complain
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to you guys as supervisors saying this house is a pile and they're not doing anything.
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The only option I've been told that is is out there is that we have to go to the state file and John's financial discussion have
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to file a suit.
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To force the state to put someone in charge of the probate. Now I can have someone to notify and say I hey, you got to clean this
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up.
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But unless we go to the state and they.
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Put someone in charge. We have a problem and it's a growing problem. It's not getting better.
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But I will tell you that Jessica has worked hard with us and she sent us a list of options that 20 different other things that
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other counties have tried. I wrote items 12654 and all these different things and she kind of lasts. I don't think supervisors are
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going to allow us to kick people out of the house and put it up for any economic support. And I was trying to figure out any way
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we could. Michael was a little bit more.
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Direct and had an idea, and we're still working on clearing that idea up to see if we can do it legally.
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Then we're talking zoning, which is.
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A huge part as you guys have been inherited buildings that.
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Weren't your decisions.
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Our current zoning has inherited things that weren't enforced and weren't done and.
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People don't like changes as a whole and we're pursuing that as or as commonly as we can. But it's something that has to be dealt
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with and we have ordinances that you guys have approved or or supervisors have approved and we have to move forward with those to
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what they say, not what we want to interpret.
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We are always looking at new ordinances and zoning. As you know we've been working on short term rentals and we have a new porta
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potty ordinance that we're going to have to deal with. We have RV zoning, new building, minor land division, which is now kind of
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01:40:25
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the hot topic of for a while there was short term rentals. Minor land division is becoming a huge topic down the top.
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So in our current ordinance, which is about.
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14 years old.
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Doesn't address dividing land over 10 acres. It only depends under 10 acres, but it doesn't talk about minor land or lot line
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adjustments or anything else. It doesn't address all that stuff, which what our people are doing in the tunnel Bay since the
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bridge has gone in. I mean, I'm probably signing.
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01:41:05
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5 minor land divisions a week there. Some of them I've reported and I will tell you that from our attorney, Mr. Beauchamp and
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Michael, we have people complaining about illegal subdivisions going in and we have nothing to say about it. But I report it to
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the Realtors, Realtors Association. They they deal with that for the state.
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And.
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I'm not going to say that they aren't responding, but they're not quick to respond.
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So there's a lot of things going on in that area that affect us on a daily basis.
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01:41:48
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One of the big things that and Michael is is kind of hammered this home is we're working a lot with other departments. Every
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Monday we have public works health department.
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Building Department zoning Sit down at 9:30 every Monday.
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And have at least an hour long conversation going over projects so that we all are on the same page and we all know what's going
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on. And we all know that if it's if Alex is dealing with this in the flood, that affects how the health department deals with the
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how the building department is. We're in the old ways. You come in, ask the building department the question we're going to
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answer.
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And we'll talk to them if you want to deal with the flood or you go talk to them if they want to deal with the health department.
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And Michael's really, like said, hit home that we all sit down. Michael sits in on those conversations with us. So we have the
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other directors of the departments and we go through all the problem projects, any projects that come up since the last Monday.
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And and moving forward. So I think that's been a real good.
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Solution to some of the issues.
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And it works through the week I'll have guys popping up say I stopped by that site and we documented in trackage.
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Track It. Michael is beat up on me because I was not always great at this. I will tell you, I'm still not, but I at least
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delegated to other staff to make sure it gets put in to track it so that every phone conversation that we're having with an owner
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should be in Track It. Every time we go to a site, it should be in track it.
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And that's for all departments. And that was tough. Getting that across is that this isn't just a building department software.
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This is a zoning software, a code enforcement software, a flood software.
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Health Department.
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Thing so that all of that information is in there, so that when someone comes in, we can give them all of the information that
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they need to make the decisions they need to make, what they want to do.
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Look my notes here.
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I think that's about the end of it.
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In summary, like I said, we we've been working real hard at coming up with.
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Handouts that we can give to people. Our goal really is to get them to call in before they start their project.
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So that, you know, when someone started a project and they put that shed in there and now it's in a flood and it's a foot away
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from the property line sitting over a septic system.
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They got to move it. I mean, it's going to have to be repaired and it's going to cost them more.
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And so if we can get them to call in ahead of time, we can tell them, OK, yes, you can have a shed. Just make sure you don't put
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it here, here, here or here. And you got to be 7 feet away from this line. And then they can make that decision for themselves at
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that point and, and move forward and be less traumatic less.
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Issues moving forward and cheaper overall for them.
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So with that, I'll be more than happy to answer any questions. I see you guys writing down notes, so either drawing faces of me or
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making notes for me to answer.
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Go ahead, supervisor, client. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Randy, let's talk about.
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Upping the building codes from 12 towards 24 and the relation it has to do with the insurance, because I get this a lot,
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especially up there in that rim country, people are being denied insurance, they're being cancelled and on and on and on.
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How, how? How should I say that say this?
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Is it really our building codes that are that are contributing to this or is it just being, is it just the insurance companies
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being difficult to deal with?
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Both. So like I said, there's 33 departments that they really look at fire, public works and building. We're not supposed to skip
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more than two code cycles and a code cycle is every three years. Now all the building officials in Northern Arizona agreed that we
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would look at adopting codes every six years. So we would always skip a code.
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Globe just went to their 21 and they were on the 2003.
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So they just went to the 21?
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Patients talking about going to the 24 and we're talking about going to 24. The only reason I'm going to say the 24 in lieu of the
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21 was because we're not real quick at adopting newer things. So why would we start off 1 code cycle behind in the code that we
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adopt. So the insurance companies look for reasons to especially having fire it's good and we're public works comes in if we were
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allowing.
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Buildings to be up on these hills and up in the roads and we can't get to them or the fire department can't get to them.
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That's a downside for the insurance company and we've had conversation with the fire department. We used to say if you showed us
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that or if if you grew on there that the road was open, they took it, the road was open. Well, now the fire department's actually
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going out before they give us a will serve letter that shows that they can get there and there's not a big tree in the middle of
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the road that well, we just decided not to build that road. I will tell you we got.
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That were approved with access roads that aren't and can't be in won't be in and so we're trying to address that so that.
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I'm not going to say it's going to cure the issues, but the insurance companies will have less items to be able to deny people.
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Access or deny their serviceability. OK, minor land divisions. This one's pretty interesting to me. So minor land divisions, isn't
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that all under state statute? How that how land is divided?
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Yes and no. So when they give us requirements, but we have to adopt our own ordinance. So we haven't had an ordinance that we we
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have and still do that matches the the requirements of the.
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State, but it says you can't divide. You can't divide your land more than five times. That's easy until you sell it to your friend
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or your.
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Brother or whoever and what the state chapter says is you can't sell this to your friend in order to get around the subdivision
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requirements. We can determine if you did it to get around him or if you did it because they wanted to buy some land from you. So
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under our requirements, we we're making sure what we're looking for is that they meet Sony, right. So when you divide this land,
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as as you know, I've come to the board before when we have substandard lots.
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And so I don't let them divide down to microscopic lots. It's got to meet the zoning. So that may be AGU 10,000 square foot parcel
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and that they can't go below that where we'll sign it. And what it says if we don't sign it currently what it says is you a
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surveyor has to put a note on there that this doesn't meet any code, won't meet any code and isn't accessible and it basically.
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Makes it unsellable. So the surveyors want us involved. I will tell you, Scott has done a great job. He helps out all the surveys.
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He reviews the minor land. He does the math, so he makes sure that it's meeting the requirements of the state for a survey plan.
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He makes sure that the math and the lines close, which I have no idea how he does that, but that's what he does. And then he sends
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it to me.
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And then my job is, is to make sure that it meets zoning every setbacks because, you know, especially we start dividing land it's
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already been built on. OK, well will they put that line that doesn't meet our set back requirements and stuff like that. So do I
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take it back to the first time that lot was subdivided? No. And I do I go out and check if you bought this from someone you know
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and no.
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I go through, I see who's divided it, I see who's on our list. If that went over 5, we stopped. If it's four, we approve it as
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long as it meets the other requirements. So it is a big thing and and I will tell you.
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I I kind of think some people are jealous because you get someone who went out and bought 25 acres, he divided it five times. He
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has now sold it and he gets to sell it for more than he paid for. And then that next person provides it five more times and so on
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and so on. And they think there's a subdivision going in which there could be. And I swear after talking with our County Attorney,
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he says report.
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Every time. And so I fill out a form, you set it off and do what we can to make sure that's not happening. But I don't have staff
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to go back to look when this was this number and it was 1000 acres and find out who bought what and divide it down.
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So you take that 25 acres and you sell it. Whether you know the people or not, you sell it, they divide it five times. They sell
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it, the new owners divide it five times. What acreage can you get down to before you're going to have to quit? Depends when
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there's only.
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So in other words, we have 35,000 square foot densities, we have one acre densities, we have 10,000, we have a 2000 density. So it
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just depends on what it's zoned in that area. So in other words, if you had, I believe it's RR that we require one acre so that
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they won't be able to take it down below an acre.
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OK, what about places that aren't zoned?
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Great question. Don't have a great answer. We would not. I don't even believe I signed the minor land divisions because they are
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not zoned just like what right now when we have them over 10 acres. I don't sign because there's nothing I can hold them to.
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There's no zoning, there's no set back requirements, there's no nothing.
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So most of those just get recorded from the surveyor and go in and and.
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Do what they want to do. The problem is, is, is we've had a couple things where codes do kick in. People might not have known it
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and then they've done some stuff and now we got to repair that. I think for most areas that I'm I deal with, people want it pretty
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open.
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They don't want to see the houses stacked on one another and you'll see that whether that's indeed restrictions or or whatever. So
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yeah, I mean, most of the smaller stuff is going to be not even tunnel so much. They still want some room, but you go into pine
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strawberry where it's infill lots or the guy has an oversized lot. Now he wants two things, sell one of them and stay living where
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he's at.
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And that happens weekly. We got a guy up there right now who's splitting, doing it down to five lots.
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Because he had five acres, so he's, you know, but the problem he's caused is some grading issues and flooding because he's on top
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of the hill, so water rolls down so.
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I don't think we have a great answer for what you're doing. Yeah.
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That works so ordinances so.
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Well, and even policy, how are we setting on that as far as ordinances, policy, whatever in your department?
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Ornitas priority change monthly, you know, with short term rentals was taking up all the staff time at one point. That's kind of
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out there right now. Porta potty was it was a big one because we have a lot of places on our main highways coming into our area
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that have big green building sitting there and and one of some of the comments have been well, I'm coming in from.
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Phoenix.
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I got to use restroom like did you do I understand that, but you passed like 8000 of them on the way. And I don't think our
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highway at at the frontage of Pine is a place that that needs to happen. You know, if it's hidden behind the building or
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something, we can do that. Like I said, minor land division right now. I just tried to have a meeting yesterday with Scott and
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Homer moving forward and I've talked to Michael about that.
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That's one of the bigger ones right now.
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I will tell you all of our ordinances are outdated and all of them can use a freshening, even my which is one of my newer ones. I
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my hearing officer, well, that's going to have to be modified for the new building code. It would have to be modified for the
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short term rental. It was going to have to be modified, you know, for any of the stuff the health department's talking about
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trying to use the hearing officer more public works just.
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Talk about using one hearing officer more. And right now they're not even included in the hearing officer. So we don't have an
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ordinance that is not needing at least a refreshing or an update. And so you're going to start working on bringing those in front
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of us to do whatever we need to do with them or yes. So I will tell you that management decides when I bring them in front of you.
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We brought the short term rental a couple times and we're on hold with that one. The next one I would expect you to see that I
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think is written.
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And modified and done and gotten is the porta potty. What we currently say is you're not allowed to do it unless you're building
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1. We have places in Pine that use them for their overflow during high tourist seasons. So we've taken for depression that back in
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and put that as an option and give them around I think it's four months.
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That we give them that they can bring a porta potty in for tour seasons.
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That kind of stuff. So it's up to management to tell me when they want something in front of you.
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So I don't have a schedule.
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To go forward, I know we've come in front of you twice for RV's.
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Not going to say that hasn't been direction, but there hasn't been clear direction on which way we want to go. We talked about
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pulling that out of the zoning ordinance and making ARV stand alone. The minor land, I would be honest with you, it would be the
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next one I think would be in front of you and then maybe port a potty or something. And so I don't have a schedule to bring it in
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front of you, but.
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Just like building.
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I've been told to move forward with that because we kind of have to, um.
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I waited. I got a study. Um.
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And learn what's in there, you know?
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And staff's got to learn what's in there. And so the contractors and so we got to have those meetings and that just, that takes a
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lot of time to not only get the books in here and the codes in here and learn what's in those things. I can't remember my kids
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names now, I'm afraid what's going to happen after I learn a new code. But that's part of it. So I don't know that I have a clear
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answer for you, Sir.
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Randy, thank you. I look forward to the ordinances and all that and going on room and and working with them so but thank you.
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It's in, Mr. Chair.
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OK.
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I, I appreciate all that you do for planning and zoning. I understand it's a, it's a, it's a, it's an ongoing fight to keep up
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with everything and the people doing what they do and also to like with the updates of, of what code were going by. That's, that's
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going to cause the new builders a lot of difficulty, but it's going to, it's going to save expense to the existing home.
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And so, you know, we kind of have to is there a good decision? Well, it's always what's best for the for the for the people. And
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so I appreciate that. And that was one of my questions is how are we with the RV ordinances because I.
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You know, that's that was a question asked a lot and so and it still is, but I understand why that's on hold as well.
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But but we, we do. Well, I live in a recreational area, Roosevelt. So there's always people wanting to live in one. And I guess
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there are some people living in some. It's just that there's really no ordinance now.
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And we're working on it. So I appreciate it also to and you say you're encouraging people to call in and and I can appreciate that
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as well. But if they do call in and ask for a site visit.
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How do you go do site visit? I depends on what for, to be honest with you. If the site is it was to determine flood, those kind of
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things. Absolutely what we don't get to and we get a lot of calls for it as well. I just got one from the Forest Service yesterday
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where they want me to come out and condemn their building and I.
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I'm like, no, that's a third party home inspector that you would use for that. That's not something we would do. So if someone
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called us that, it was something we do.
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You know construction wise or any of that stuff, then absolutely we go out there. It will not always be the next day, but if if we
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have time on a day, my inspector always stop by, I will tell you Kim will stop by. I stopped by going to and from here today. I
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stopped on one on coming in and I got 2 going back so.
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I can appreciate that because if somebody calls in and says OK, if I've got a shed under 200 square feet, do I need a permit?
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Well, no, OK.
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Well, like you said, then they put it on the receptive tank or whatever and then it just creates problems down the road. But you
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know a site visit, if you just go by and you sure you're going to put a shed where you're going to put it, Don't put it right
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there, OK, if it's not on your septic, I don't see a problem. Then there isn't 1. And so anyway that's that would that's going to
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be one of my recommendations if somebody asked me, I said if you're going to build something.
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Call them and ask them for a site visit and see if planning and zoning will go. Look at what you want to do and where you want to
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do it.
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So they don't end up with a whole bunch of problems after you start construction. And, and what you said that and a complaint that
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I get, especially with the new bridge and things like that, tunnel basin, Roosevelt area and things of that nature. It's been a
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complaint since I've been a supervisor. And you said that staff doesn't go back and look.
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When somebody broke down 1000 acres who it sold, where it sold to.
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Is that would that be the states job?
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I guess whose job is it because a lot of the complaints I get is Bill sells it to Fred, Fred sells it to Sam, and then Sam sells
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back to deal with you and so Bill gets 15 lots instead of just five. It is the states responsibility to enforce the requirement
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that you do not divide it more than five times.
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Or make it unauthorized subdivision. That is the state's job.
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Ask an answer because everything from the county doing anything about that.
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It's because it's the states job to do something about.
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That I get those complaints too and that's why I filed the complaint with the state saying I'm being told this is an illegal
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subdivision.
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Here you go, right. And they have a form that we fill out into and anyone can do that. You can even, I can give that to you and
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you can give that to your constituents. If they want to file a complaint. It's the same form I fill out that they can fill out.
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Sure.
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OK, Well, I don't have anything else. I, I like I say, I appreciate all you're doing as a builder. I appreciate, you know, you're
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working with, with the builders and the codes and the ordinances to try to help.
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Infrastructure in handcount because it we, we need it. And now with the new bridge, there's going to be more of it in tunnel,
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which is created issues for all of us, but I guess we'll call them growing pains.
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And I will tell you we have two open positions currently. I'm looking at hiring 1 next week or interviewing for an inspector.
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Are both inspector North and South? It'll be mostly inspect. The inspector will be based out of patient.
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OK, So you got an inspector nor you said two positions, are they both inspectors and one is the building official, which I've
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advertised for about two years and the building official is me. Oh, so I'm, I'm the building official, I'm the director right now.
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I was hardest building official on certified building this a lot, I guess. So we're not losing anything. But there really isn't, I
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mean, patient right now doesn't have a building official. They're using a third party company because they can't find any. And and
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the guy who left there told him he was leaving five years ago and he'd been there for 30 years and they can't find anyone. So I
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don't think we're going to be able to fill that position. But I, I be honest with you, it's kind of second nature to me. So it's
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pretty easy for me to.
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What's a third party cost?
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In the lieu of the position, all right.
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If they're running from what I've been told about 150,000 a year and the position pays 7D something, OK, so almost twice as much.
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But I will tell you Michael is kind of forcing me into.
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Getting people ready to take positions and I have a person that is studying for this position and has passed 2 tests. I told him
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he needs to take four to five tests to make me feel more comfortable with him and I have it kind of all over He's an inspector, he
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passed he's passed his plan reviewer. I want him to pass ADA and I want him to pass a commercial version of that and then building
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official and he's working towards that and and I kind of see him being our.
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Building official OK good yeah because that it's difficult to wear 2 hats because I know how busy you are and how how much we are
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growing in and doing more and more building permits and things so yeah I think it would be it would it would be beneficial to us
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the constituents people reaching it if you weren't wearing 2 hats that's kind of like and I will also throw in we.
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July.
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Of 24, we did 114 homes, new single families, manufacturing and Bissell built this year. We're kind of on the same pace and that's
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about average we're between 115 to 120, somewhere in that range, 25 maybe on a year. I went back four years and that's what I came
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up with. Right now we're a little bit behind because everyone's waiting until.
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The electric interest rates and the elections.
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The elections I hear more than the interest rates and that's part of the new code that we'll have to talk to you guys about. We're
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currently on the 2000 and.
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For evaluation code, that's how permanent pricing is determined. We're charging what our valuations using and the permit thing is
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$83.74. And if you can get any home builder to come out to your house for $83.40 some cents, please get them, kidnap them, tie
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them down, don't let them leave because people are charging 4 to 600 a square foot.
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For custom homes now and we're at 83.
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And I don't know that we want to jump up to that price range, but I do think we need to get more in line with.
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Where reality is, as far as that goes, well, won't that change when you come up with the codes anyway? So it does not
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automatically change the codes. Codes don't set the evaluation rate. The people who write the code, ICC International Code
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Conference, they put out a valuation sheet every year, usually twice, one in June, 1 in January.
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And they set the price because they mark it across the country and say, OK, an average price is.
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200 square foot. So it's a slightly different same company, different thing, but it is part of that and we need to bring that into
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in line because basically I'm I'm taking money out of your general fund to cover construction cost.
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OK. Well, thank you very much for the presentation, Randy. We appreciate it very much.
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Thank you. Anything I can do to help let me know.
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Surprise, you've been more than supportive since I've been there. I've had supervisor buy a printer, you know that I couldn't get
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it and.
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I've always felt that that you guys want with passport with what we're doing and I I thank you for your support. Thank you, Andy.
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Okay, well, moving on, we're going to go to three call to the public.
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Do we have anybody application? No.
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We have no one here. Do we have anyone in computer now? How many people do we have on today?
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38 How long did they stand up to you?
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OK, well that's good. The other day we had like 50 and now we got 38. So it's great to see more people getting involved. When you
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don't see them here, you know they are getting involved in what's going on and so OK, there's no call to the public and we move on
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to four. At any time during the meeting for Smart ARS 38 Dash 431.02 K, members of the Board of Supervisors and county Manager may
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present a brief summary of.
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Events, No action may be taken on the information presented. Michael, do you have anything for us? No, Sir, I am good. Thank you.
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Supervisor Klein, do you have anything for us? Not a lot, Mr. Chair. Last week we attended the CSA small counties. That was good.
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See everybody and next week.
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Mind you, I'll be leaving for Washington state for the war, So. And that, that's it. OK. Well, good. Yeah. I, I met with, well,
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Jeremy Plain and Michael O'Driscoll and Randy Plummer was there at Roosevelt to try to work together on getting grants and funding
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for a, a floating dock for Roosevelt where we're going to.
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Jeremy's wanting to take a whole cold there and turn it into a floating dock kind of beach area so there's more recreational
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Roosevelt. So that was a good meeting. It's going to be a it's going to be a long reach, but it's something I think we're going to
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try to work together and try to get done.
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And then I'll attend A-Team project meeting tomorrow. And so anyway, that's all I have. And if there's nothing else, I think very
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much I will adjourn today's meeting.
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