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1. CALL TO ORDER - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS:
A. Presentation regarding the activities of the Cobre Valley Youth Club which serves the Globe, Miami, and San Carlos areas. (Carmen Casillas)
B. Information/Discussion regarding Public Works Department revenues,    expenditures, projects, road equipment, road maintenance and road policies. (Homero Vela)
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Testing, testing. 00:00:01
Good morning, everyone. 00:00:04
Good morning. 00:00:06
10:00 It is so Tuesday March 25th, 2025 I'd like to call. 00:00:07
This work session to order. 00:00:12
I would like Wayne Jones. Could you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? 00:00:17
Of the United States of America. 00:00:28
And. 00:00:30
Thank you. Okay, so today we're a little relaxed. 00:00:39
Work session and so we're going to have some discussions. 00:00:48
We have two items on the agenda. Item 2A is a presentation. 00:00:51
Regarding the activities of the Cobra Valley Youth Club. 00:00:56
Which serves the globe. 00:00:59
Area Miami, Miami and San Carlos. 00:01:01
And representing that group is. 00:01:06
The former vice mayor of Globe, Carmen Casilla. 00:01:09
Please come up. 00:01:15
Thank you, Yes, thank you so very, very much. I'd like to people I've got, I'd like to thank chairman and supervisors for having 00:01:16
me here this morning, giving me the opportunity to speak about my passion, which is about the youth of our community and where 00:01:23
we're going with the club and and the assistance that we need for these kiddos that are coming out. 00:01:30
Thank you, darling. 00:01:38
And so our. 00:01:40
Our little motto is that we're empowering, inspiring and engaging our next generation, and that's our goal. But and if I may 00:01:42
approach, I just like I fully words. 00:01:49
All right, these pictures have worked worth 1000. 00:01:55
OK. 00:01:59
And as you can see. 00:02:02
In the past it just used to be a drop off for kiddos and an opportunity for for parents to just be able to drop them off and and 00:02:05
have a safe place for them when they go to work. 00:02:10
We have morphed into a lot. 00:02:15
And that's why I'm here before you today. Again, I'd like to thank everyone and not just the supervisors, but I have to thank your 00:02:18
staff. 00:02:22
And, and everyone here in the past, you know, in the past years. 00:02:27
I've been able to make phone calls and get the assistance that we need. And so I just, I'm overwhelmed. 00:02:32
With with the county and what they're doing. So before that, as you can see, I'm really trying to. 00:02:39
Technology is not my thing. That's why we want kiddo. So I want to introduce our team. I think that's very important to know. 00:02:47
Who's also behind? 00:02:56
The scenes. So I am the president, Fernando Shipley as secretary, Brian Romney is our treasurer, Brian Romney is the Comptroller 00:02:59
for the Cobra Valley Hospital. So we've been very. 00:03:05
Blessed to have him with us. We also have Liz and Russ Betterman who in the beginning originally were the originally. 00:03:13
Started this club back many years ago and they jumped on board Regina Ortega. I'm sure everyone knows Regina. 00:03:22
And Doctor Richard Ramos, who is the Superintendent of the Miami school, and Alexis Rivera. So we have a very strong board. We're 00:03:30
very excited. 00:03:35
And our employees are risking Annabelle, who they are, the backbone who keeps. 00:03:40
Everything in place, I can't say their last name and they've been with me for years, so I apologize for that. 00:03:46
Our mission if and I should have. 00:03:54
Send it out but if I can. 00:03:56
Because our mission is because opens the world of possibilities to local youth by connecting, transforming, and elevating them to 00:03:58
realize their full potential. 00:04:04
And to become positive and oriented to doctor citizens because that's what we need. We're not going to be here. 00:04:09
To be realistic, we're not going to be here, so we need to bring up the next generation. 00:04:17
And. 00:04:23
To have them in a positive way. 00:04:24
So we connect, we, we work with many local groups. We, I'm just, I'm not going to read it. 00:04:26
All but just let me share. We transform many of our kids doesn't show we had a code that we're careful with this very introverted. 00:04:33
Ma'am. 00:04:42
I can get in front SO through AC workforce who we use. 00:04:45
Every year they're awesome. 00:04:53
But anyway, very introverted. 00:04:55
And worked with us and now she is working with IT and Homeland Security. 00:04:58
So we do a lot of things, as you can see in our book we've had. 00:05:03
We teach him Apache, we teach him Japanese. They've had culinary. We do self development, we do self-awareness. The. 00:05:09
Is the when we say self-awareness, it's self-defense, but I don't like to use that word. 00:05:19
Defense. And so we do a lot of things with them. We're going to be doing swimming lessons this summer. 00:05:25
We try to give them what they need in the beginning first aid classes. 00:05:32
Seems that they'll be able to carry on with them through the rest of their life and be able to use in whatever capacity and 00:05:37
whatever role they're going to be in giving them that opportunity to get a taste of different things and and getting them out of 00:05:42
that. 00:05:48
The box of gold where a lot of us seem to. 00:05:53
To have this day. 00:05:56
Which is a good thing too, but they need to experience other things. 00:05:58
And moving forward so I'm here today before you to. 00:06:02
It to ask for help, which has been in the past. We have a lot of things going on. 00:06:08
Umm, as you can see with many of our. 00:06:15
Programs. Umm. 00:06:18
We are going we're. 00:06:20
The library works with us. We're going to be doing public speaking which I should take a class sign language. 00:06:22
Our biggest thing this summer that we're going to be doing is we're going to be creating a. 00:06:28
Music program working with Councilman Mariana Gonzalez. 00:06:33
And so we're going to be able to try and get instruments from the Tempeh High School to bring in because our bands here locally 00:06:38
there. 00:06:43
They used to be huge bands and now they're. 00:06:47
We're lucky if we see 2025 kiddos in that, so in the summer if they become a part of this club, they're going to be able to. 00:06:51
To. 00:06:59
Am I doing that? Sorry. Thank you. 00:07:00
They're going to be able to learn something to get. 00:07:04
You know to to learn an instrument and, and many of us know that music heals right. We deal with many individuals that come from 00:07:09
sexually abused families. 00:07:14
I'm from domestic violence families from. 00:07:21
From kids that have been bullied, that have had traumatic brain injuries, and yes, they're in the schools, I'm aware of that. 00:07:25
But when they come to us, they come to us at one-on-one and we're able to work with them on that one-on-one basis and work with 00:07:33
the family to get them moving forward. And as I said, we worked with Arizona workforce who is just amazing. 00:07:40
I access everything that I can for these kids. 00:07:49
And I. 00:07:53
Today I wear red. 00:07:55
To remember Emily Pike. 00:07:58
And Emily Pike was one of our kiddos here in our communities. 00:08:00
And that was unfortunate. 00:08:04
But we have many kids that want to run away, many kids that are on drugs, many kids that talk about suicide. 00:08:05
And I believe I have faith. I've seen it. 00:08:14
That our club is a safe place where these kids can come and make changes in their lives and know that yes, they can come from a 00:08:18
broken home and they and they can come from wherever, but that it is their choice to make a difference to become successful in 00:08:24
their lives. 00:08:30
And I have been with this club since inception and I believe Supervisor Humphrey knows that and I don't let it go. 00:08:36
And it's because. 00:08:46
There are the kids out there that need us. 00:08:48
Emily was when it slipped through the through the cracks. 00:08:51
I don't want to see any other kids slip through the cracks without being able to get the help that they need or the families to 00:08:55
get the help that they need. 00:08:58
Also worked with Jim Gonzalez. 00:09:03
Homeless Coalition, he's amazing. 00:09:05
He was working with the family. She had three kiddos. They were out on the streets. He gives me a call. Hey, we have 3 kids, can 00:09:08
they go to the club? Absolutely. Those kids have a safe place to come. They were able to eat. They were they had been living in 00:09:13
their car, but we worked with hay the house. 00:09:19
To eventually get them into one of those homes. 00:09:25
So this is just not a place where the kids come and are dropped off anymore. 00:09:29
A lot of them learn to run. Many of our kiddos don't know to run. 00:09:34
It's interesting. Yes, our athletes are out there and everything, but a lot of our kiddos are just. 00:09:38
In home with their computers because parents work two or three jobs and it's difficult for them to do that. So when they come to 00:09:43
us. 00:09:47
We engage in a lot of things. 00:09:51
So I'm just here. 00:09:54
To again. 00:09:58
Ask for the help from the supervisors to continue this program to invest in our kids. As I said before, we're not going to be 00:10:00
here. 00:10:04
We are not going to be here and we need these kids to be able to carry on your legacies, whatever you're going to leave or 00:10:08
whatever projects you have in place. 00:10:13
And to be able to to have that knowledge and that understanding and that community service that I know that all of you have. 00:10:18
Have put into to this county and I truly appreciate it, not just on the club's part but. 00:10:27
I do other things in the community and I know that the. 00:10:35
Supervisors are extremely involved in many projects. 00:10:38
I'm working on making our community better. 00:10:42
And uh. 00:10:45
Personally, I I. 00:10:47
Just thank you again. 00:10:49
But umm. 00:10:51
Do you have any questions? I can go on and on. So I better quit while I'm ahead. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for the presentation. 00:10:52
You're very passionate about it. And so, yeah, we might have some questions or comments. So Supervisor Humphrey? 00:10:59
Yeah, Carmen, I don't have any questions because I stay pretty close with the information with the Boys and Girls Club, the Local 00:11:05
1. 00:11:09
Because I was on the board before I came a supervisor and I got off because I felt it was a conflict. But. 00:11:13
I think it's a great program because I can remember when it used to be part of the National Boys and Girls Club. 00:11:20
But our strong community and the donations was going spread out nationally instead of just for our club. 00:11:26
And I remember when we reached out to be our own club and I thank you and Fernando and everybody that. 00:11:33
That push that kind of like the college because. 00:11:40
Our strong community. 00:11:42
We're able to be stronger for the kids and you can create your own curriculum. 00:11:44
Depending on what the community needs. Depending on what the kids need. 00:11:48
And so, yeah, I think it's a. 00:11:52
It's great that it's kept going this way and has grown and the donations. 00:11:56
That come to that club, stay here. 00:12:02
And I think that's extremely important as well. So I thank you very much for all that you and the board does. 00:12:05
I'm glad I sat on the board and. 00:12:13
As far as I'm concerned. 00:12:16
Any grant information that we get from the club? 00:12:19
I'll work on helping the club any way I can. Thank you and thank you for your service to the club. That's a lot when we were 00:12:23
struggling to. 00:12:28
To make those changes, because you're absolutely right, those donations were going out of town and they needed to stay here. It's 00:12:33
like we fought for our college and you know. 00:12:38
We have a strong community and it's great that we're working to keep. 00:12:43
What we have and what we can build here, yeah. Thank you. 00:12:48
Uh, supervisor client. 00:12:52
Carmen, thank you for everything and I echo everything. 00:12:54
Tim said to one of the things that. 00:12:58
And I'm sure you guys. 00:13:01
Work on this or whatever but. 00:13:03
You know anymore every day you see cases like Emily Pikes. 00:13:05
And where maybe the parents? 00:13:11
Maybe they're just not paying attention to their kids. 00:13:14
Maybe the kids are a handful to hang on to, Whatever. But they wander off and precinct, they're gone. 00:13:17
It's it's really kind of a. 00:13:23
Tough time that we're in right now with a lot of this. So do you guys provide any kind of training, whether it's to the kids or 00:13:25
parents? 00:13:30
How you know to? 00:13:34
Be aware. 00:13:36
Keep track of these little guys. 00:13:38
Yes, we do one one of the things that we do is we we provide self-awareness or self-defense because we want. 00:13:40
The kids to just be able to get away right And we had a situation where. 00:13:50
A woman approached one of our kids. 00:13:56
And so he knew this. 00:13:58
To speak out loud, I don't know. You stay away and so. 00:14:01
The staff was immediately engaged and was able to to make sure that the other kiddos are safe. Yes. And we worked with the Police 00:14:06
Department, the City of Gulf Police Department. They're going to be doing some training for us also. So we look at all of that 00:14:12
because our priority is the safety for our kids. 00:14:19
And so I engage anybody or anything that I can to make sure that that happens and also for the safety of our employees, because 00:14:25
we're very fortunate to have the employees and the staff that we do. 00:14:32
Well, you got a good team put together and I as well. I'm. 00:14:39
You know, I, I, I think I can speak on behalf of Gila County, but we're all about kids. If you look at our track record or the 00:14:44
last eight years, we've supported. 00:14:49
Everywhere where we could so. 00:14:55
But thank you for everything you're doing and please pass that along to the rest of them and. 00:14:57
And really look forward to working with you in the. 00:15:02
Future here. 00:15:04
Thank you. And and just of what you said, if I can just again say a thank you. 00:15:06
I know the unfortunate death of the three little children out in Roosevelt. 00:15:11
I know that I was able to call Kathy and. 00:15:18
Umm, Stacy and. 00:15:22
You know, say, hey, you know what? Our officers need this out there. We're looking for food. We're looking for donations. This is 00:15:24
what we need. 00:15:28
It didn't. We met him at Fry's, right? 00:15:32
And on behalf of the supervisors, loaded up I don't know how many pellets of water. 00:15:36
To be able to give to the volunteers out there and to be able to help who was ever out there. So I always think it's important for 00:15:42
a woman to recognize what other people do. I know we look at. 00:15:48
You hear right sitting and what you're doing, but it's always the behind the scenes work that really, really matters in our 00:15:54
communities. 00:15:59
And I think I called Kathy two or three times and she rallied and and got everything together on behalf of the supervisor. So 00:16:03
again, I. 00:16:09
I work a lot behind the scenes tonight. I see what all of you do and for our community, for the elderly, for our kids. 00:16:16
And thank you as we're moving forward and we're being progressive and also if there's anything that I can ever do. 00:16:24
Please don't hesitate to. 00:16:32
To contact me, but again, thank you on behalf of myself, the Corporate Valley Youth Club and the community that I work in because 00:16:34
I know how. 00:16:38
What how you work behind the scenes? 00:16:42
So I appreciate it. 00:16:45
Thank you SO. 00:16:47
Can I ask just a couple? Don't forget this by the way, I got this for you the. 00:16:49
You have a 501C3, so your nonprofit and. 00:16:56
You rely on donations. 00:17:00
Correct. 00:17:01
So you're always looking for more funding? 00:17:05
Correct. And do you have like shortfalls in that regard or? 00:17:07
Stability there or you know where where are you guys financially? I know you can probably always use more. 00:17:13
Absolutely. 00:17:19
And what is not? What are the needs not being met because of financing? 00:17:20
Let me just really quickly just respond to your. 00:17:27
Your question. 00:17:31
Just recently and I'm very transparent about what we do. 00:17:33
Recently we just we got our IRS status back. 00:17:39
The last couple of administrations. 00:17:44
Prior to us. 00:17:47
Of course, with COVID and with a lot of other things. 00:17:50
Nine 90s and paperwork were not submitted to IRS. 00:17:54
When we took over. 00:17:58
The minute you know, we started doing our stuff. So a red flag, right? And so. 00:18:00
Umm, this. So sure enough, so we got Dean. 00:18:06
We immediately went to United Fund because we're very transparent. 00:18:09
Listen, this is what's going on. 00:18:13
And, umm. 00:18:15
And so we we were on. 00:18:17
Hold for the IRS until we got the paperwork in place and that's why it says so. 00:18:20
Kudos to Brian Romney. 00:18:27
He on his own time, his volunteer time. 00:18:29
Brought us back to where we do have our status now and we just got it, so we're excited. Now I can move forward and do the things 00:18:33
you want to do. One of the main things is the playground. 00:18:40
We have. 00:18:47
There was damage done. 00:18:48
And so we need playground, we need this side or the chips. 00:18:50
I think that that going of course they have to be city regulated and so I believe when we did a a. 00:18:56
Evaluation or had quotes done it was going to cost us probably about close to 60,000. 00:19:04
So so this is one of our big. 00:19:09
Our big needs, you know we. 00:19:12
Love Evan, the health department. I think he gets tired of me calling also. But we need sinks. We need to upgrade to scenes 3 00:19:16
sinks in in the club. 00:19:21
We need repairs done, so there's a lot of things. 00:19:27
That need to be done to make our place is safe, but it's just all those other things that come into play that you never think 00:19:32
about. 00:19:36
And it's like, Oh my gosh, here we are. What are we going to do? And so. 00:19:41
But the playground is one of our biggest, biggest needs. 00:19:46
OK, very good. Well. 00:19:50
I don't know if there's anything else but. 00:19:53
I really appreciate the presentation that makes me more aware of what you guys do. 00:19:56
And. 00:20:01
Some ideas about how we might be able to help SO? 00:20:03
Thank you very, very much again for your time and for listening to me and because I can rattle on, I'm extremely passionate about 00:20:06
this and. 00:20:10
So is our our team. So thank you so very much. 00:20:15
And we're we're near and dear to our. 00:20:20
Audits as well. 00:20:25
Because at one time the county was behind in their audits and so we're up so. 00:20:27
Any any of any of the help that we'll be able to give you is through a grant form. 00:20:31
And so get with us and get a grant application if you haven't done that before or in a while. 00:20:36
Get with us with a grant. 00:20:42
Application. 00:20:44
And I'll help you get it through to present it and because everything we do has to be. 00:20:46
In a grant form for for our state audits. 00:20:51
Thank you. So you will see me this afternoon. OK. Thank you so, so very much. 00:20:56
Thank you. 00:21:03
Yeah. Thank you for all you do. Thank you. Thank you, Carmen. 00:21:05
It's seeing you. 00:21:08
OK, let's move on to 2B. 00:21:13
And information discussion regarding the Public Works Department. 00:21:17
Revenues, expenditures, projects, Rd. equipment, Rd. maintenance and road policies. 00:21:21
And probably even a little more than that. Good morning, Romero, and welcome. 00:21:27
What might likely be your very last Board of Supervisors meeting? 00:21:33
Thank you very much. 00:21:37
Yeah, Chairman, we're going to, we're going to miss you. 00:21:38
And Supervisor Humphrey and supervisor client. 00:21:44
I'm very happy to be here. 00:21:48
And once more. 00:21:50
If you do a work session, I think I told you last time, I enjoyed this work sessions almost as much as you do, maybe more. 00:21:51
It gives me an opportunity to look at things. 00:21:58
Sometimes from up, from from up high and yet go in and have the time to digest some of the data to try to understand. 00:22:01
Where we're at and where we're headed. 00:22:08
And that, for me, is a pleasant thing to do. 00:22:10
And I enjoy doing that. 00:22:14
I'm glad to report that at the last work session that I was here, we talked about a right of way ordinance. 00:22:15
And we with your input. 00:22:23
Drafted a rough version. 00:22:26
And shared it with Jessica and she is looking at her from a legal standpoint with the consultants. 00:22:30
And the point. 00:22:36
Is that we did take action based on the input that you gave us. 00:22:38
And the same thing applies here. 00:22:42
We're this is not going to be as focused as the right of way ordinance. It's going to cover many topics. 00:22:45
And I may leave. 00:22:51
With you more questions than answers. 00:22:53
And if you were to ask me if it was good or bad, I think that that would be a good thing. 00:22:56
OK to provoke the questions of. 00:23:00
Why are we doing this and can we do better? 00:23:03
And that this is an attempt to do that. 00:23:06
OK, I've got some slides that kind of like pause for a moment and ask for comments. 00:23:09
Because otherwise I just run away with slide after slide after slide and I wanted to just. 00:23:14
Stop at a certain point and ask for. Is there any information that? 00:23:19
You want to know more about? 00:23:23
And so. 00:23:25
With that, I'd like to move on to the next slide. 00:23:28
And. 00:23:30
And so these are the topics we're going to cover and I'm not going to go over them because we're going to cover them. 00:23:35
But in two general categories, 1 is kind of like a financial kind of thing. 00:23:41
The other one is like a policy. 00:23:45
Policy topics that we're going to cover. 00:23:47
Some of them will be brand new to you, others you've heard about because I've been here talking about public works. 00:23:49
Work sessions and the state of public works. 00:23:55
In 2019. 00:23:57
Got some type of PowerPoint with me. 00:23:59
In 2021. 00:24:02
23 and 24. 00:24:04
And actually, some of these slides you're going to see are similar to before, but I'm sharing them because they're worth sharing 00:24:06
and bringing that update to you. 00:24:10
But before I get much further, I just wanted to introduce the team that helped me put these slides together and that has enabled 00:24:14
me and supported me on the seven years that I've been here at public work. 00:24:19
So I'll start right here with Steve Williams or one of our project managers. 00:24:24
And we have Wayne Jones and. 00:24:27
McDaniels, there are. 00:24:32
Road Yard. 00:24:34
Then we have Scott Warren, our county surveyor, and Tom Coleman. He tried to get away from public works by renaming himself 00:24:36
director of BIS. That didn't work. 00:24:41
OK. 00:24:46
And Shannon Boyer, who is our admin. 00:24:47
Has this been executive assistance and many other different hats as you work? 00:24:51
We have. 00:24:56
Uh, Pelham Goodman, our county engineer. 00:24:58
And Kerry Cottrell, our fiscal manager. 00:25:01
When we voice another one of our project managers. 00:25:04
Alex Kendrick. 00:25:09
Our senior county engineer and Jeff, the Spain who just joined us, I think he was here last time. 00:25:10
Our new foreplay administrator. He comes from. 00:25:17
Many different engineering. 00:25:20
Firms including What What for a long time for Kimberly Horn. 00:25:23
And then I have day before she's there in the bath. Yes, our General Services managers, they're here. 00:25:27
And so answering your questions should be fairly easy, OK? 00:25:32
The last speaker if you can enjoy a moment of humor. 00:25:36
Carmen the ex mayor talked about. 00:25:41
Stopping while she's ahead. 00:25:44
I may not have that much with them. OK, so let's get started and move on to the next slide. 00:25:46
This should be a familiar chart. I think this has been on every presentation that have come to the board and yet for me it's a 00:25:56
mandatory chart. And the reason why it's mandatory is because. 00:26:00
Looking at past revenues. 00:26:05
For the Big Three. 00:26:08
Vehicle license tax. 00:26:09
And exercise tax. 00:26:12
He is a way to predict the future. 00:26:13
And if you were to rely strictly on these three. 00:26:16
Sources of revenues. 00:26:20
Then this paints a picture that says. 00:26:22
We finally are doing better than 2006. 00:26:26
But not by much. 00:26:30
And the herf revenues are generated by the 18 cents taxes on a gallon of gas. 00:26:32
That hasn't changed since 1991. 00:26:39
And the scheme of counties in Gila County were #4. 00:26:42
The only other counties that get less money than we do is Safer Graham and Cochise. 00:26:46
OK. A comparable county in terms of number of miles and land mass would be like Navajo County. 00:26:51
They've got the same 750 miles everybody, more or less. 00:26:59
And they have about the same workforce that we do. 00:27:03
They, however, get 11 and a half million dollars of her money, whereas we get five and a half million. 00:27:08
And the reason for that is because they're double the population. 00:27:14
And with I-40 going across our county, they probably sell more gas than we do. 00:27:18
Miles have very little to do with the money generated from the herb tax. 00:27:22
Some, but it's not. It doesn't compare to the other two components of that formula. 00:27:27
So I just wanted to share that we we have a little over $9 million. 00:27:32
In 2024 and we expect that trend to continue in 2025. 00:27:37
And so that is that is helpful. It's better for it to go up than go down. 00:27:43
And that's, that's the, uh. 00:27:47
Before I leave the church though, there's no what the percent that it goes up about 8% is. 00:27:50
Is it doesn't it pales in comparison to the total inflation during that same period of about 56%. And so yes, we get a little bit 00:27:57
more money this year than last. 00:28:02
But in terms of real dollars compared to 2006, we don't have that kind of. 00:28:08
We don't have that advantage. 00:28:14
OK. So stopping if you have questions anywhere, I'm just going to say as much as I think I need to on each slide to think that 00:28:17
particular picture that I wanted to share with you. 00:28:22
This one is a new chart. 00:28:27
And I'm looking for. 00:28:30
Supervisor client asked me how many miles can we maintain and unfortunately I don't have a good answer for you. 00:28:32
But I'm going to try to show you that we are, we are stretching the dollar already. 00:28:38
OK. And so I wanted to look at the road yards and see how many miles they are responsible for maintaining. 00:28:44
The type of area that they have. 00:28:52
And I ended up with a statistic at the bottom that says in general in. 00:28:55
Gila County Public Works. 00:29:01
Operators, uh. 00:29:03
There's 32 operators. 00:29:05
Maintain 24 miles per person. 00:29:08
In Gila County. 00:29:12
And so at least. 00:29:14
32 operators. They are the core existence of public works. The rest of us basically support them. Yes, we do some engineering 00:29:15
projects and the bridge is an example of that. 00:29:19
But our existence and our core driver and the things that we provide to the public is maintenance of roads. 00:29:24
And it's the 32 people that we need to that the folks in public works need to serve. 00:29:30
OK. And and they're responsible to maintain. 00:29:35
24 miles on average per person. 00:29:39
That includes the supervisor. The supervisors are not here. 00:29:41
They're the Eddie Wisdoms, the Fred. 00:29:44
Rick, how shell and. 00:29:48
Bill Sturgeon. 00:29:51
That each have the road yard responsibilities. 00:29:52
Anyway, wanted to put that information in front of you. 00:29:57
I pause right here for questions. 00:30:02
Mr. Chair, for me. 00:30:06
Homer, thank you for putting all these miles on paper. And when you look at it, we have, what was it, 480 some miles of poor 00:30:07
service roads. 00:30:11
You know, back in when I when I came into this position. 00:30:16
I was under the understanding that miles had more to do with. 00:30:20
Her dollars than anything until you came on board and explained it differently. 00:30:24
So when you really stop and you look back at that and the fact that. 00:30:29
Once Upon a time, I believe we went through and we gathered up a whole lot of miles thinking we would qualify for more dollars. 00:30:34
Back then, if I'm not mistaken, like on the 4th service roads, they actually paid every year for us to maintain some roads. 00:30:42
And if I remember from meetings I had back then with them and cattle growers, they paid like 80 some 1000. 00:30:51
Which wasn't a lot of money. 00:30:58
But it was something. But now looking at it today was 750 plus miles of Rd. 00:30:59
Have we hit a point in time when we should really be looking at those miles and really think about the roads that we have under 00:31:06
agreements and. 00:31:10
And think about tuning it down to the roads that we we need to maintain and don't worry about the other ones. 00:31:14
I think that that's a great action item. 00:31:22
And a great idea. 00:31:25
Maybe a work session with the Forest Service president? 00:31:27
Where we examine the value of us maintaining 484 miles of Forest Service Rd. 00:31:30
Dollar value on that from our perspective, what would it take for someone else? 00:31:35
To maintain those growths. 00:31:40
And and bring that to the table. Now they're not. 00:31:42
They're not a partner that is empty handed at the table. They maybe they don't pay their full share for instance, they're paying 00:31:44
the EA for the material pits. They paid the EA for the 512 growth, they paid for some chip ceiling on the control roads and. 00:31:51
I think for service 199 or one of the other roads, they also paid at Chip Shield, they're contributing probably more than $80,000 00:31:59
a month. But still it's, it's we, we provide a tremendous service to the Forest Service and, and yes, they connect our communities 00:32:05
and we're interested in maintaining these roads. 00:32:11
Some of them. 00:32:17
If we and and and and here's the dilemma that we say we're going to maintain these roads once every two years. 00:32:18
On paper. 00:32:25
Is the contract that we have with the Forest Service. 00:32:26
Get a phone call from someone and we end up maintaining that road two or three times a year. There should be some discipline after 00:32:29
we say that. The contract says once we did it once as a road impassable. 00:32:34
No, it's passable. Then you have to live with it till we get to it again. 00:32:40
Somewhere along the way, we. 00:32:44
We should be in compliance with what we're asked to do by the floor service. 00:32:46
And talk to the Forest Service about is there any monies that they can pay us? 00:32:50
Eliminating a road that we maintain, if we truly maintain it, once every two years and we get hurt money. 00:32:55
One of the presentations that I showed earlier, that's probably a break even. 00:33:01
You get something like. 00:33:06
If I remember correctly. 00:33:08
If you brought people. 00:33:10
And gas sales to the Formula One mile of Rd. will get to like $8000. If you don't bring people and gas sales to the formula and 00:33:14
it's one mile of Rd. you would get enough to pay for. 00:33:20
The blading of that road once a year. 00:33:26
And that that's what one of the earlier work sessions talked about. 00:33:29
And it's so it's a little bit of a discipline process for us, not just for the Board of Supervisors, but we get the calls and 00:33:34
sometimes we oblige folks, OK. 00:33:38
And if the road is still passable, I think. 00:33:43
There should be some discipline. 00:33:46
If we don't have the folks. 00:33:48
And we're going to actually stop doing something else we're doing to go take care of this road. And we're supposed to maintain 00:33:50
once every two years. 00:33:53
We need to ask ourselves what's what's more important? 00:33:56
Mr. Chair, for me, yes. So Homer, I'm probably one of the worst for making those phone calls. 00:33:59
But but what I want to talk about is because we are so. 00:34:04
Short on private property that we live in the middle of the forest. 00:34:09
Most of what we deal with is there's a lot of forced roads out there. 00:34:13
But the roads that I'm thinking of. 00:34:18
They're not the ones that go to like an outlying ranch, let's say. 00:34:21
But the ones that may be going to a piece of country that no one lives on there, there is nobody out. 00:34:25
Those are the kind of roads that I have in mind that. 00:34:32
Maybe we need to pass them up? 00:34:35
Or just forget about them. I I don't know that's that's why I'm asking you. 00:34:39
We we have a list. We have that list. 00:34:44
Recently the floor service, because they hear us, we have a quarterly meeting and we always tell them how much we do for them they 00:34:48
offer. 00:34:51
Four or five. 00:34:55
We looked at it, there was one or two homes. 00:34:56
That were being served. 00:34:59
We actually didn't accept. 00:35:02
At their recommendations that they come off the list. 00:35:04
But again, it's it's us. 00:35:07
Sometimes not helping ourselves, and I think we need to look at it kind of like from a businessman perspective. 00:35:10
Is why why do we continue to maintain and there's probably about 24 service roads if I remember correctly from a list that. 00:35:16
That the team provided. 00:35:23
That we need to bring to that work session and say here's roads that maybe we should take off the list. 00:35:25
With the full explanation that we have, how long is it, How often do we maintain it? How many homes are to serve, and what else 00:35:30
does it do? 00:35:33
And bring that and discuss these roles that that we would be. 00:35:38
Taken off that contract. 00:35:43
Yes, Sir, Mr. Chair. 00:35:47
Yeah. And Speaking of Forest Service and and and I don't know of any roads that we only maintain twice a year because of our 00:35:49
constituents that keep calling us and we keep. 00:35:53
Calling you in the road departments to do a little more but. 00:35:59
When we meet with the Forest Service, I think it's real necessary to let. 00:36:03
The Forest Service know which they know, but. 00:36:07
But us maintaining. 00:36:10
You know, 484 miles of Forest Service road. Those roads aren't used like they were used. 00:36:12
Ten years ago. 00:36:17
I mean, in a recreational area, we have 30 and 40 razors lining up and how they all get that, you know, I've seen some of the dust 00:36:20
on those guys when they get off those rides and I, I don't know how they call that fun. 00:36:26
But we do have the recreators in. 00:36:33
Environment now, because we're a recreational environment. 00:36:36
That 10 years ago we didn't have. 00:36:40
And, and, and when when we get bad storms and things, that's when people stayed off the roads. Well, now that's when they go play 00:36:43
on our roads. 00:36:47
And and so with with us maintaining over. 00:36:53
Half of our roads are for service roads. 00:36:57
I think we need to come to the table and let them know the importance. 00:37:00
Of our ranch roads and of our roads. 00:37:04
Dirt roads that people live on. 00:37:09
Because those roads are being abused. 00:37:11
By recreators which which? 00:37:15
Then we get calls and it's like, well, we just maintained it yesterday and we won't be there again for two years. It's like. 00:37:17
We can't drive it. 00:37:25
Or things of that nature. And so I think what we have done with what we have to work with. 00:37:27
Is amazing. 00:37:33
But I think it it it would be very, very important conversation. 00:37:35
To stress with the Forest Service and they know they see those roads, they maintain some of their own roads. 00:37:40
But but I think at some point that has to be a strong. 00:37:46
Point made to them. 00:37:51
That our roads are getting a lot more. 00:37:53
Abusive traffic. 00:37:56
Than they did when some of these agreements were put in place, you know, when we decided to take over. 00:37:58
484 miles of Rd. 00:38:03
That was in a different world that we live in today. 00:38:07
And I think that. 00:38:10
That needs to be a major conversation with for service on if we continue to maintain those. 00:38:12
Or or not maintain those and so. 00:38:18
I know we've had that conversation before, but publicly. 00:38:21
I just wanted to stress that. 00:38:25
A point of view with other roads that we do deal with. 00:38:28
If I may make a chair. 00:38:32
Go ahead. Thank you, Tim. 00:38:34
You know what Tim says is absolutely true, Homer, right? We see it every weekend, those four Wheelers and groups. It's not just 00:38:36
one or two out for a. 00:38:40
Sunday drive, they come in. 00:38:44
There's lots of them. 00:38:46
And so. 00:38:48
Our our folks can literally blade a road all week long. It's tore up by Sunday afternoon when they go home. 00:38:49
But. 00:38:55
But it's not really just that. The other big change is all of our hunting seasons as well. 00:38:57
They start now in August, and they don't end until the end of February and March. 00:39:03
And so that brings that much. 00:39:09
Used to these roads that. 00:39:12
That we're trying to tend to so. 00:39:15
Maybe when we have that work session? 00:39:18
Game and Fish might ought to be a part of that session as well. 00:39:21
And. 00:39:26
Part of that discussion because. 00:39:27
It literally has gotten to the point and a lot of our ranch roads, like I said, I I'm not really, I don't want to give up our 00:39:30
ranch roads, but we do have roads that go out in the middle of nowhere and get in. 00:39:36
But even on the ranch roads, even though like 512 which is a main Rd. 00:39:41
Are, you know, we go in there and blade it and it's, it's tore up within a week. 00:39:46
The other thing that I think to Homer and I know the Forest Service. 00:39:51
Has really done its best, but I think there's some room for improvement on that. 00:39:56
Our biggest, one of our biggest downfall is bit material and and opening up a bunch of these pits. 00:40:01
They kind of need to step up to the plate on that guilt where we can get more material. 00:40:08
To use on these roads that these folks are blowing that material off of every weekend. 00:40:13
So. 00:40:18
I like I like to see any upcoming work sessions that that be addressed to. 00:40:21
Those are some very good points. 00:40:29
In the material pitch. 00:40:31
Umm, I don't have a slide on this presentation. I'm not sure if it's I I brought that that. 00:40:34
A number of times. 00:40:41
And the 5th that we have, only one has some bit of clay in it, actually the right amount of clay. 00:40:42
The other ones don't have any clay and so as soon as the moisture evaporates and the moisture gets away a lot quicker when you 00:40:47
don't have clay. 00:40:51
Then you have a rope that's flowing away with any wind and. 00:40:55
Just unraveling. 00:40:58
And so early on I made an effort, not a strong effort, but an effort to see if I could get a geotech firm to tell me where there 00:41:00
is some clay material in the Forest Service. 00:41:06
And basically their answer was, and I didn't move it beyond that point is tell me where you want and I'll give me a radius so that 00:41:12
I can look at that. But we need to go back and ask ourselves in this radius, where are the proper radiuses? 00:41:19
Where would a material fit be appropriate? 00:41:26
For us to use from from a logistics standpoint and then also from a material standpoint. 00:41:29
The creation of the material pit because we're trying to extend torque tips right now in the EA is is is significant money. 00:41:36
We would. 00:41:43
We we do need to spend some time. 00:41:46
Arriving at the right location and pursuing more material later on, you'll see where. 00:41:48
I omit the cost of a material for graveling roads because we. 00:41:55
We in this county. 00:41:58
Which is probably unique. 00:42:00
We don't have to pay for gravel, or we have. We've elected not to pay for gravel and instead. 00:42:02
Use the gravel from the pits. It may not be perfect, but. 00:42:07
We use these gravel pits in. 00:42:10
So if you ask me how can we maintain 750 miles and. 00:42:13
In Neville County gets even more money than without than with our Herpen excise tax. 00:42:17
That's one of the reasons why and we shared that and the picture very important or. 00:42:24
The life of our world. 00:42:29
I do have a question so. 00:42:35
Do you have anything that you could offer that our suggestion that we can do as the board to try and? 00:42:36
Pursue more money from the Forest Service. 00:42:44
To maintain. 00:42:49
These roads, the roads need to be maintained. 00:42:50
We're doing it. 00:42:53
And we don't have the money to do it and do. 00:42:54
Well, often enough, etc. 00:42:57
Then what do we do? The Forest Service needs to keep up with a lot of the issues that were brought up. 00:43:00
An increased amount of usage. It's. 00:43:06
We need an increase in the amount of funding. 00:43:09
It's funding from the four surfaces. One thing. 00:43:12
The other one is. 00:43:15
Putting down gravel material that you know is not going to work the right way according to a standard that are used by the Forest 00:43:17
Service and. 00:43:21
In many different. 00:43:27
Government agencies. 00:43:29
It has to have a certain plasticity. 00:43:31
And knowing that it doesn't have that, you're only repeating the work that you do more frequently than you should. 00:43:34
OK, so basically the road out will last a long time if you lay it down with three inches of the right material? 00:43:41
Before you have to come back and bleed it again. 00:43:48
In the Midwest, they do that very successfully. 00:43:50
On the farm Rd. 00:43:55
And they last much longer than what we would be experiencing here. So to the floor services, we need better pits. 00:43:56
Have you got? Can you find and Can you find the entire? 00:44:04
Work that's required to generate these pits. We need to work together on where the pitch should be. 00:44:08
And will it generate the right material? And then just the EA alone is not enough. Somebody then needs to do something about the 00:44:13
natural resources. 00:44:17
That are going to be found there. 00:44:21
And pay for that. 00:44:24
And if the Forest Service can come up with some money, this is again 484 miles. 00:44:26
We can put a dollar value on the maintenance of these roads and and share with them. This is what we're contributing. 00:44:31
For these roads, we, I think. 00:44:37
If you have money and if we can continue to work on material pitch, which we are. 00:44:39
But we need the NOR wants to reduce the travel time and to introduce some play. 00:44:44
And through. 00:44:49
Homer, if I may. 00:44:53
When you take a pit, that's that's. 00:44:56
Mostly granite. There's really not a lot of binder in it. 00:44:58
What do we have these days for addities where we could mix with that material? 00:45:02
That would help bind it together. I mean it not necessarily just clay, but is there like a another form of lignicide or something 00:45:09
like that that's out there that? 00:45:13
That would work to help hold that together. 00:45:18
Play is like the the the right material. 00:45:21
That you can play. You can come back and blade it without pulling up big chunks of material if you use like calcium. 00:45:25
Magnesium chloride or calcium chloride or the lignin sulfate? 00:45:33
Then those materials will clump it up and then you're having to pulverize the road. 00:45:37
They're actually bladed. 00:45:41
And the floor service was recently Tom Bookman and Alex were working with them. 00:45:43
They recognize we we had, we share material pits with them I don't know how many times and they recognize that it's not the 00:45:49
standard that they want. 00:45:53
So they were going to try to buy. 00:45:57
Pay us through. They were gonna actually pay for a trial for us to bring Clay in. 00:46:00
And introduced it to some of these roads, especially. I think this is part of that logging operation that's taking place up there 00:46:04
in Pine Strawberry. 00:46:08
And we were going to do a trial with them. 00:46:11
And I don't know the exact status of it here. 00:46:14
You could share some insight on what we're doing with that project. 00:46:19
But we need to, we need to discover, find out. 00:46:23
How we can bring What is the cost of adding clay to these material pits that we have? 00:46:26
OK. So that's a good point. 00:46:35
So we're ready for the next item. 00:46:40
Did I not answer your question? It's a start, Homer. We're good. Yeah. 00:46:43
So let's, let's, we're going to move on now to equipment and motor graders we actually sat down with. 00:46:52
The entire group. 00:46:59
A Folk. 00:47:02
The General Services team. The road yards team. 00:47:07
And we looked at every piece of heavy equipment that we have. 00:47:12
Including brooms. 00:47:15
Backhoe loaders, Transports. 00:47:19
Water trucks and it's just a long list. It's a. 00:47:23
Like a four page list of equipment. 00:47:26
And he looked at all of them and asked ourselves. 00:47:28
What needs to be replaced? 00:47:31
And so these are some of the suggestions that come out of that. 00:47:33
These haven't necessarily found their way to the budget yet. 00:47:37
And whether they find their word into fiscal year 26 or fiscal year 27, that remains to be seen. 00:47:40
But this is equipment that we would like to purchase in the near future. 00:47:46
Replace in the near future. 00:47:50
In the next. 00:47:52
Couple of slides you'll hear about buying. 00:47:55
Granting or buying used and we need to, we need to take advantage of all those for the for that particular piece of equipment. 00:47:58
So you'll see some instances of that for that was offered. 00:48:06
Maybe we should do that. 00:48:09
And so just in a motivator, the idea what the with the body, there's a. 00:48:11
We have 3 motor graders that are older than 30 years. 00:48:16
And we have one that is older than 30 years and waiting for auction doesn't doesn't count. 00:48:20
We have approximately 14. We have 14 active motivators. 00:48:25
OK. And if you remember the team number, the team #32 operators, including the supervisors? 00:48:29
We have 14 motivators. Probably the number is more than appropriate. 00:48:35
We would like to replace one that. 00:48:40
That is, that is, uh. 00:48:43
1987. 00:48:45
We would like to replace. 00:48:47
One, that's 1997. 00:48:49
And then later on. 00:48:52
One that is 2007. 00:48:54
Well, we're having a hard time getting part. 00:48:57
OK. And so that one is into the far future. 00:48:59
If the first two motivators that. 00:49:04
And we would like to replace IS J-007 and J005. 00:49:06
We're replacing those in the next couple of years. 00:49:11
As soon as our budget allows. 00:49:15
Questions on that? By the way, this is the spreadsheet that you see here. 00:49:18
Is the spreadsheet that accompanied every piece of equipment that we look at. 00:49:22
So we have that the year. 00:49:25
We have the either the miles or the hours in this particular case. 00:49:28
There's a red highlight on two that we're going to replace there in excess of 15,000 hours. 00:49:32
If you ask Caterpillar sales guy to tell you when you should replace it, they talk between 7010 thousand hours. OK. 00:49:38
Ours is probably the best way to measure the life of a motor grader, Not so much in years. 00:49:47
The things that we would, we should be looking at. 00:49:53
Does the machine function the way we want it? 00:49:56
Is the machine reliable? 00:49:59
What's the cost of maintaining that machine? 00:50:01
And that and the hours, the hours of life, should guide us as to whether or not it ought to be replaced in this particular case. 00:50:04
We would be replacing. The proposal is to replace it. 00:50:12
That through motivated with the most amount of hours. 00:50:15
Makes sense? 00:50:18
And again, I'm sharing this information to share with you more of the process that we're using to determine what equipments we 00:50:20
need to buy. 00:50:24
Than to necessarily. 00:50:28
Have a discussion around should it be this one first or that one next? 00:50:33
When they come to the board, we'll bring you the rationality Why we're. 00:50:38
Picking those pieces of equipment this year and what we plan to do next year. 00:50:42
And also where the equipment is going to be headed. 00:50:48
And so that's part of what the team talked about, how they would swap equipment back and forth. 00:50:51
Everybody was at the table and every time that they talked about swapping, the entire group was in agreement with that. 00:50:56
I I don't like to see all the new equipment going through 1 certain place unless there's a reason for it. 00:51:04
OK. And yes, this category life maintenance cost, is that the total cost of? 00:51:09
That particular vehicle? 00:51:17
Over the time that we have had it. 00:51:20
Correct. OK. 00:51:23
There there is another column that you're not seeing here. 00:51:24
Is the cost for the last? 00:51:28
Maintenance cycle for the last year, Yeah, OK. 00:51:30
And so we look at both when we're looking at. 00:51:35
Was it something that we did? We do an engine five years ago and in the last three or four years we're spending a minimal amount 00:51:40
of. 00:51:43
Of monies repairing it. 00:51:46
But yes. 00:51:48
They are the life. 00:51:50
Of that vehicle. 00:51:53
The cost to maintain, So this first one here that's in red, it's the J 007. 00:51:55
Second item. 00:52:01
It's got a lot of hours on it, but the cost? 00:52:04
Is pretty low, 181,000 compared to others. 00:52:08
That you're not recommending replacement on. 00:52:13
Did you, you know what I'm saying? It seems like that particular vehicle, even though it's a lot of. 00:52:17
Age and my hours. 00:52:23
Hasn't cost us very much to operate. 00:52:26
All of that and that's considered. 00:52:30
And so we can, we can look at that. 00:52:33
And dive deeper into it. But the team consensus was that. 00:52:37
Based on the age and I can't speak for the functionality, how well it works. 00:52:41
And how reliable it is. 00:52:46
You would say, well, you do not spending and I don't know when that money was spent, whether it was spent recently. 00:52:48
Or it was spent a long time ago? 00:52:54
But again, it's a it's a team consensus. 00:52:56
And there is a process that is being looked at and your point is well taken. We do look at the life maintenance cost. 00:53:00
Together with the number of hours. 00:53:08
And the age. 00:53:10
And again there is a. 00:53:12
There is some decision making that needs to take place. 00:53:16
And if you. 00:53:20
It's it's so I was depending on the team consensus to try. 00:53:23
What they thought was. 00:53:28
Best to go. 00:53:30
Thank you. 00:53:32
Since your point is well taken and we do look at actually life maintenance. 00:53:33
And so the next slide is dump trucks and pinwheel dump trucks. 00:53:38
And again the same kind of thinking process of. 00:53:43
And looking at the vehicles. 00:53:47
They're ranked on the spreadsheet in by age. 00:53:50
But we also look at light maintenance and the team talks about. 00:53:55
It's a, it's a functional and are the parts available. 00:54:00
As part of the discussion as to what ought to be replaced, the first one that you see here, first of all, there's. 00:54:05
Three dump trucks that are older than. 00:54:12
30 years and eight, eight of them in total that are older than 25 years. 00:54:14
Our fleet thus is own. 00:54:20
But umm. 00:54:22
If you look at the proposed plans, in many cases they were telling me good shape, excellent shape, good shape, runs good, etc. 00:54:24
There were no dissatisfaction with the functionality or reliability of the equipment. 00:54:31
And that's very important for a motor grader. 00:54:36
For a dump truck that travels on the highway, I do like to look at the age as well as all the other. 00:54:39
Element that we look at. 00:54:46
So the oldest one that we have is a 1978 dump truck. 00:54:47
That we'd like to replace an auction. 00:54:52
We are actually right now ready to purchase a vehicle for that. 00:54:55
And we're waiting for the procurement process to allow us to purchase that. We've already come to the board for that. OK. 00:54:59
And the same thing with AC Zero 25. 00:55:05
We're going to replace it. 00:55:09
And we're going to see if the landfill would like to have it. I look back earlier to see if Aaron Carter goes here. 00:55:11
Aaron is not here. He's very interested in this, but we have an adequate inspection today at Russell Ghost Landfill. So that's. 00:55:16
So he's taking care of business. 00:55:24
But if the Lancer were interested in keeping that where the vehicle doesn't have to travel on a highway. 00:55:26
And it's a larger dump truck. Then they would buy it at fair market value from from earth and they would be able to use that. 00:55:31
And so that's not been completely determined yet, but they're going to get the option to do that. 00:55:39
So again, we have two vehicles that we'd like to replace. 00:55:43
Next couple years. 00:55:46
So. 00:55:48
Mr. Chair, for me. 00:55:49
As we go through this equipment homeroom, you know, not too many years ago we didn't have enough people to run all the equipment 00:55:51
at. 00:55:54
Now it seems like we're getting staffed up again. 00:55:59
And uh. 00:56:02
We're getting a lot of positions filled that we really needed to fill. 00:56:03
So when when we look at this list. 00:56:07
Home Merrill. Whether it's motivators, voters, dump trucks, whatever it is. 00:56:10
Are are we going to be close to where we need to be for equipment? Because I know Once Upon a time, if I'm not mistaken, where we. 00:56:15
Two pieces of equipment down the road to get a replacement for one. 00:56:26
Two piece of equipment, Yeah, like we get rid of two to get one. 00:56:34
Oh umm. 00:56:38
We have been trading in like pickup trucks. 2 for one. 00:56:39
For equipment, we rarely do that. You're going to see instances of us doing that, but we often it's just one for one. In this 00:56:43
particular case it is one for one. 00:56:47
Again, we have 32 operators on the very second slide. On the second slide, we show 3rd 2 operators. 00:56:51
We have actually 14. 00:56:57
Because C-15 was replaced a long time ago and it's just sitting out there ready for option. We have 14 active dump trucks today. 00:56:59
For a team of 32, it seems like that's a fair number of dump trucks. 00:57:08
OK, yeah. But I will ask the theme. The theme is here. 00:57:13
Wayne and Gold, they feel like that we ought to be increasing the fleet size. 00:57:17
Well, I know that Holland is a big issue. 00:57:23
For all the road yards and so. 00:57:26
With regards to the dump truck part of it. 00:57:30
Is this going to be enough dump trucks to meet? 00:57:34
The folks we have in these yards. 00:57:38
I believe so. Like I say, is. 00:57:43
Seems I believe so we will like stays on chip seals. We partner up with the Globe and the Payson yards like says between those 14 00:57:47
dump trucks and a chip box. 00:57:52
And that like says we will have the efficient to utilize what we need to to get the job done. You think would be about right? 00:57:57
Yeah, yeah. 00:58:04
'Cause I'd rather see utilization like says on the belly dumps and some of the transport trucks we can. 00:58:06
Access Commute them between the two areas, the timber and the copper region says. 00:58:11
And kind of have a. 00:58:17
A schedule of Holly, a hall schedule for, then we can get that set up. 00:58:18
For utilizing for them instead of justice having vehicles sit. 00:58:23
So OK, cool. 00:58:28
Umm, Homer, I wanted to ask you again and I I. 00:58:30
I remember talking talking to you once about it. You know that motivator that's in young is the first one we had that we went out 00:58:34
and leased. 00:58:39
Through CAT, are we done with leasing equipment? Is that what you determined that it really didn't? 00:58:44
Workout well. 00:58:51
In today's uh. 00:58:53
For public works institutions today, leasing is not a good option. We're spending money on interest that we. 00:58:57
Don't have to spend. 00:59:04
OK, we we do have. 00:59:06
An organization called General Services and we make a $3,000,000 investment with them every year to repair our equipment. 00:59:10
And so it comes back, it comes back to if we have 14 dump trucks. 00:59:17
We need to do our best that fourteen of them run. 00:59:22
And if they don't run, then we need to be talking about replacing them. 00:59:26
And we replace them necessarily for a new one or a used one. 00:59:30
I think looking for used equipment is a better option than necessarily leasing from Caterpillar. I think we're paying twice as 00:59:34
much then. 00:59:37
So I don't think leasing is a good option for. 00:59:42
OK. 00:59:47
All right. And then even these are short versions. I'm not showing you all the hours and mileage and. 00:59:50
Things like that, but we looked at the loaders. 01:00:01
That longest, I would say that there's nine of them that are available and the 8 ranges from 1985 to 2023. 01:00:04
We recently purchased 1 and so we have J-003. It's going to be optioned sometime. 01:00:11
At the next auction. 01:00:16
4 clicks. We have three that are available. We have one that's R011 that's a red font. 01:00:18
That's our military forklift, is what they tell me. Parts are not available. 01:00:25
We need to be looking at replacing that one. 01:00:30
Now the forklift, you could ask yourself, why are we buying a new one? 01:00:32
Why don't we buy? 01:00:36
A good use when somewhere. 01:00:38
And I think that that's one of the options that we that we ought to be looking at. 01:00:40
OK. 01:00:46
And it's a heavy one of the. 01:00:48
Heavier forklift. That's here at Russell Gold. 01:00:51
So we need to determine. 01:00:54
Do we need one? 01:00:56
And if we need one. 01:00:57
What a youth. 01:00:59
Appropriate, and the team needs to wrestle with those kind of. 01:01:01
Questions and answers to present to the Board what our five year capital plan is going forward. 01:01:05
Rollers. There are 6 available. 01:01:11
One of the interesting things when you look at the maintenance cost of the rollers. 01:01:14
Chairman Christensen. 01:01:18
I averaged them out and they averaged out to $2700 per year on rollers. We don't use them except for mostly for chip seal. 01:01:21
And so you would expect that you don't have to maintain it for use year round. 01:01:29
Wayne last year rented one for the Chip Shield season for about $2700. 01:01:37
So it's almost like we can get rid of 1 knowing that we can rent one. 01:01:43
For the same cloth that is costing us to maintain that one. 01:01:47
And that's the kind of thing that we need to be looking at. 01:01:50
Asking ourselves what's the maintenance cost? 01:01:53
We use it year round. It's a special purpose. Why do we have it? 01:01:55
OK. And so Wayne and and Door are going to be looking at those kind of things. 01:01:59
We have one that we're going to send to auction. It's unsafe. We don't it. 01:02:05
We're not going to replace it and if we need it, H 005, we'll rent if needed. 01:02:10
OK. And that's the things that we're trying to do. 01:02:16
With that, the chip box, the brooms are in good shape. 01:02:19
Some of them were recently refurbished. Is the conversation that. 01:02:23
The team had when we met with them. 01:02:27
OK, one more, one more heavy equipment. 01:02:30
Umm, we looked at the 9 transports. 01:02:33
We'd like to replace one of them, See. 01:02:37
Zero 31. 01:02:40
Currently is at young we would. 01:02:42
Take that one and auction it and buy a new one in its place. The new one would end up at conservation. 01:02:44
Young would get a reconditioned C. 01:02:52
Zero 49. 01:02:55
Will be reconditioned and assigned to the young area. 01:02:57
And again, this is the theme. I don't talk when they're talking about swapping equipment. I let them figure out what's right. 01:03:01
That's what the team told us right to do and and and therefore. 01:03:07
Somebody gets a new one. Somebody gets her refurbished money. 01:03:11
OK, Water trucks, there's two that we'd like to replace. 01:03:14
Umm, and if need be, C013. 01:03:19
If the landfill is interested in that water truck, which has a greater capacity than the one that they have currently. 01:03:24
Then we would reassign it to landfill, of course, under the rules that we have to pay for market values to cover. 01:03:30
But the fair market value for something that's 1999 would be reasonable for the landfill. 01:03:37
To acquire the other one, we would just replace an option off. 01:03:42
C Zero 68. 01:03:47
Backwards. Six of them available, all in good shape. 01:03:50
The dozers. There's three available. 01:03:54
The hours that we use them. 01:03:57
On an annual basis ranges from 1000, the last the last fiscal last year. 01:03:59
Plus 1200 and 2200 hours. They range between that. 01:04:04
So when you get to the 2000 hours you're you're basically using that that doser quite a bit. 01:04:08
Year round, just about. 01:04:14
T05. 01:04:17
005 is AD 5 Doser. It's a 2017. 01:04:18
We'd like to see if we can create that in for perhaps I used V6, that was something a little bit bigger. 01:04:22
They're not happy with the performance of the D5 in doing the work that needs to be done. 01:04:29
That those rising young and. 01:04:33
They talked about. 01:04:36
Going to a bigger dozer for a while and we'd like to put that on the radar for doing something about that. 01:04:38
In next, sometime in the next two years, Mr. Chair, for me. 01:04:45
I want to give you a little bit of history on that dozer. 01:04:50
You knew this was coming, Homer. 01:04:53
So we had an old dozer that sat on the North Rd. in young and that's all it was. It was just there to sit. 01:04:56
And in the winter time, when the snow drifter gets a big, the motor graders can bust their own. 01:05:02
That's what that old dozer was used for. 01:05:08
And back in the day it was decided to get rid of that old dozer, which old dozers don't bring much. 01:05:11
But it was sufficient for what it was used for. When I took this position, I insisted. 01:05:19
That if we're going to do that, that we replace it with the dozer that can sit there. 01:05:24
To bust those snow drifts and then be used wherever it can be used in the good part of the year. 01:05:30
The reason that I insisted on a sitting there and I had this argument because they'd tell me, well, we can get those up there if 01:05:36
we need to bust through snow drifts to get out. No, you can't. 01:05:41
Because you have 260 that's iced over, you have 288 that's iced over. How you gonna haul it? Those are up over that mountain to 01:05:47
get to where we need one. 01:05:51
And then you've got a roadblock that we can't get through and nobody else. 01:05:56
That was the reason that Little Dozer was bought. It wasn't bought and purchased to do big projects for. 01:06:00
So I'm just going to throw this out there. I don't, I don't think there's any. 01:06:07
Reason why we shouldn't get AD six that can be used. 01:06:11
In more ways than that, little dozer. 01:06:15
But what I will say. 01:06:17
Is in the winter. 01:06:19
If there's not a dozer available sitting on that road. 01:06:21
In case we actually have a winner this year, we're pretty safe, but. 01:06:24
To open that road up. 01:06:29
Then there's going to be an issue. 01:06:30
And so. 01:06:33
That would be the only reason I would argue about getting rid of Little Dozer. 01:06:34
I didn't have a lot of hours on on. 01:06:40
On it and that was the reason it was there that and and the the fish hatchery Rd. so. 01:06:42
Umm, I'm I'm just throwing this out there, but. 01:06:50
In the winter time, if we replace it with the new 6. 01:06:55
I I really want that 6th sentence on that road take its place because that was the sole purpose of that little dozer. 01:06:58
That that is the strategy that is in mind. 01:07:07
That the V6 basically would be at young. 01:07:10
In the summertime, we need to transport it somewhere, like any other piece of equipment in Gila County. 01:07:13
Then we should be ready to transport and share that equipment, but in the winter time the G6 would be in young. 01:07:20
Again, if if this is this is. 01:07:28
You would have to think that this item is driven by the road yard and Young. The road, yard and Young is making this suggestion to 01:07:31
us that AB6. They could find many other uses for it, but B5 has limited functionality. 01:07:37
And so let's see if we can, while it's still fairly new, let's see if we can do a swap for something equivalent on the D6 size 01:07:43
without paying the $1,000,000 that you'd have to pay for a dozer. 01:07:49
OK. 01:07:58
OK, for now I'm good. 01:08:00
That's a good thing. 01:08:05
Uh, so we, we're working on the 26th budget right now. So the numbers that I show you are kind of like a draft. 01:08:07
But if you were to take the equipment, just the equipment that we're talking about and you work to smear it across 22 fiscal 01:08:15
cycles, fiscal year 26 and fiscal year 27. 01:08:19
If we're talking about. 01:08:24
Buying the equipment or exchanging equipment that we just talked about. 01:08:26
And if you look at the list there for fiscal year 26, it'd be like a million and a half. 01:08:31
In the fiscal year 27, it'd be $650,000. 01:08:35
OK. 01:08:41
We will have something like a model year budget. 01:08:42
For you to look at in a little while. 01:08:46
And those numbers are important for us to kind of look forward to. 01:08:48
What's the affordability for that much equipment in a 2 year cycle? 01:08:53
So Homer on. 01:08:58
I know you're gonna get sick when you're going back to motor graders, but that, that's kind of the backbone of us. 01:09:00
So we're going to get rid of three motor graders? 01:09:06
Correct. 01:09:10
I one of them, yes. 01:09:12
And we're going to replace them with two motor Gators. 01:09:15
And I, I would imagine Wayne and Jammer and everybody's talked about this. 01:09:19
And feel like that's adequate. I'm just making sure that. 01:09:24
That's where they want to be on motor graders. 01:09:28
That that one lot of data. 01:09:42
Also, we've already replaced one of the three. 01:09:45
We're not losing any, OK. 01:09:50
At the very top line. 01:09:51
Is we? It's an auction. 01:09:53
It replaced J zero 23. 01:09:56
That's good. Thank you, Gemma. 01:09:59
Thank you. 01:10:02
I would get up close to the board to look, but I know that's not allowed. 01:10:09
Couldn't do it. 01:10:13
So then we'll move along with. 01:10:16
With this slide here, we're going to move on to other other things in a minute. We're going to go look at the. 01:10:23
Engineering. 01:10:29
And so I wanted you to capture one and a half million and $650,000 for the discussions that we have later on. 01:10:31
So ongoing projects, what are the projects that we have? And I don't want to, I don't want to look at all the details on these 01:10:41
slides unless you take me there, OK. 01:10:45
But what I wanted you to look at is the funding sources. 01:10:50
There's two. There's three. 01:10:54
Columns. They had the green. 01:10:56
Highlight header at the top. 01:10:59
One of them is total, the total amount of funding that's required for the project. 01:11:02
The other one is monies that we got from the feds for the state. 01:11:07
And the other one is what the county portion for that project? 01:11:10
OK. And as you can see, Golden Hills project, we're contributing phase two, we're contributing $35,000. 01:11:14
Or a project that $614,000 in value. That's fair. 01:11:22
Houston Mesa Rd. 01:11:27
We're contributing. 01:11:29
251,000 for something that should add up to about $3,000,000. 01:11:30
OK, that again is a good thing. 01:11:35
And if you go down the list, Russell Gulch. 01:11:39
We're at this point, we're contributing 0 if we can hold the monies through. 01:11:42
The project to that budget amount that Different has agreed to, then it wouldn't cost us anything. 01:11:46
We have already asked for Diffum to give us an increase in the past. 01:11:52
And they? 01:11:57
And we, our project managers, in this case it's Steve Williams, is working to try to control the the cost of that project like we 01:11:58
should on every project. 01:12:03
Campaign Creek. 01:12:08
There was a contribution on our part. 01:12:09
But the Campaign Creek buyout. 01:12:12
But that part, even though it shows county. 01:12:15
Comes from the state. I think it's all. 01:12:18
Unless I'm mistaken. 01:12:21
All of Campaign Creek buyout. 01:12:22
Comes from either. 01:12:25
FEMA or the state. And so we've got a number there. 01:12:27
That it's misplaced. It's all in. 01:12:32
It's all from different sources. 01:12:37
OK. 01:12:41
Continuing on the next. 01:12:42
Slide, I think it's like 13. 01:12:44
It talks about Golden Hill sidewalk. 01:12:47
I'm sorry, I think that's a duplication there. 01:12:50
Material pits. 01:12:53
We contribute 115,000 and the floor service contributes 163 to the environmental assessment of the material. 01:12:55
As we move forward on the pitch, we need to see how the Forest Service pays for everything. 01:13:04
Because I think, again, it's crucial that we try to get pits, the new pits. 01:13:08
Have clay and it's going to cost something like that each and every time. That was for four pitch, by the way, not just for one. 01:13:14
Russell Rd. Right Now that's a smart grant for design, completely funded by the feds. 01:13:20
Pine Lane Drainage We're spending some money to understand how much water can flow through Pine Lane. 01:13:26
And what's the capacity and how does it, how does it flow and things like that? We're funding that because? 01:13:32
With that property was put claim to us. The intention was for us to use it as drainage and we need to figure out how. 01:13:38
How we're going to do that and what we need to do for. 01:13:44
Mildetro, we'd like to understand a little bit more about what it would take to. 01:13:48
Have male Detroit be safer. 01:13:54
And for us to maintain it and we there's, we've got some money that we would like to budget to. 01:13:57
See what it would take to. 01:14:03
Make that road safer. 01:14:06
Will be coming to the board later on, probably on a work session to talk about mild ditch. 01:14:09
In detail. 01:14:14
Sycamore Creek, there's no estimates. That's some Brent. 01:14:16
Project that engineering is working on. 01:14:20
There's no information that would allow us at this point to put on a dollar value on there. So we haven't done that. 01:14:23
And the last light on this, and I'm sorry they're rushing you here. I should write this. Stop if you have questions on these 01:14:32
projects. 01:14:36
But again, it's a young Rd. final design. We're looking for a smart grant. 01:14:39
We have enough information to say that it probably would cost us. We would contribute 150,000 and. 01:14:44
The feds and states would pay for 550,000 of that. 01:14:52
We would have 100%. 01:14:56
Design that we can take out for bids if we were to get that grant, we don't have that grant yet. 01:14:59
We're working on it. 01:15:05
And then some more watershed projects or there's not enough information, but we're working on it. 01:15:07
Gibson Ranch Rd. Design. 01:15:12
$48,000 to get that ready for pavement replacement. 01:15:15
And that's for the design 48,000 for. 01:15:22
Because we. 01:15:25
This is a project that we know we want to do. 01:15:27
So we're going to design it, but we also know we're going to spend money to fix it. 01:15:29
And right now we're. 01:15:34
We're putting a number of $1.5 million on that project. 01:15:35
So even though we haven't come to the board. 01:15:39
That that needs to find its way to our future. 01:15:42
We can't ignore that that we're going to spend that money. 01:15:45
And so we we've included it in here. 01:15:48
Bloody Tank Wash Bridge that's grant money. 01:15:50
We contribute $9000 and the. 01:15:54
Not contributes 165. 01:15:57
Tonto Village Bridge right now it's 770,000 without without us contributing any money. 01:15:59
Monroe St. That's entirely a perf project. 01:16:06
We'll be spending something like $871,000 on that. 01:16:10
There will be a general fund contribution to it, but we're putting that in the budget for now. 01:16:16
And so when you go to the blue section. 01:16:21
You can see that in total for the design and construction. 01:16:24
Things that we have in the funnel. 01:16:28
Or that we're actually building. 01:16:30
We have a total of $15 million that we're working on. 01:16:31
11.6 funded by somebody else? 01:16:35
3.6 Funded by. 01:16:38
Key account and the point of all those slides. 01:16:41
Because you've heard of these projects before, every time you hear about them, every time we bring them to the board, talk to you 01:16:45
about them. 01:16:48
Is that that should be a way of life for he's accounting. 01:16:51
If we do a major. 01:16:54
Pavement. 01:16:57
We ought to be looking for the help of the state. 01:16:58
Federal government. 01:17:01
I don't think that in the HERF revenues that we get. 01:17:02
That there's room for us to be spending $1,000,000 a mile for roads, many miles at a time. 01:17:05
Maybe we do. 01:17:11
On neighborhood growth, that requires pavement because it was paved and we want to put pavement back in. 01:17:12
That we do small sections ourselves. 01:17:18
But we're talking about anything with any get, with any long length. We can't afford $1,000,000 a mile in the current budget that 01:17:21
we have to be thinking about long stretches of paper. 01:17:26
OK. 01:17:31
So, umm. 01:17:33
Any questions before I? 01:17:34
Summarize it here for you. 01:17:37
I I got one and Tim, maybe this is is more towards you or home or either one, but the NRCS projects two of them. 01:17:39
That has to do with the fires, right? 01:17:47
Yes, there they started off having to do with the fire and they morphed into. 01:17:50
Other grant opportunities that. 01:17:56
Haven't really materialized. One of them I think was Sycamore Creek. 01:18:01
In here is we're waiting for the next. 01:18:05
Hazard to take place before we can apply for a grant. 01:18:09
And you can see they don't have any monies in there. Tom Goodman and Alex spend time. 01:18:13
Sometime staying in touch with the people that would provide the grants. 01:18:19
There is I think. 01:18:26
If you were to put up scale of probability of actually happening in the near future, there's a low probability. 01:18:27
I think the conversation I wanted to have with Supervisor Humphrey on Sycamore was there's really three options on Sycamore. 01:18:36
It's 1. 01:18:43
Which you don't have a benefit cost ratio that would allow you to buy them out. 01:18:45
Also, they will never get flooded. They're so far above that the Cliff first would have to fall and they would have to fall with 01:18:51
it before we could ask for money. 01:18:55
So buy out did not necessarily. 01:18:59
May be the best strategy. 01:19:03
One of the strategies is. 01:19:04
To move them, to move them 20 feet into this, into that coop that they have. But this is one big property that is shared by many. 01:19:06
It's a coop, OK. 01:19:11
And so that would be another difficulty in doing a buyout because the buyout wants to buy the property. 01:19:16
So the buyout may not be the best solution. It may be the solution is. 01:19:22
For them to move into. 01:19:27
Away from the Cliff. 01:19:30
But they keep pushing us out on every time there's hope, then there's no hope, etc. Tom can can give us more information on that, 01:19:31
but. 01:19:36
We just stay in touch with the folks for now. 01:19:43
OK, hello. 01:19:46
Instead of there's different sources of grant from. 01:19:58
NRCS. 01:20:03
But we. 01:20:04
When they weren't able to help us with the first grant that had to do with the fire, they said let's try. I think it's emergency 01:20:10
watershed protection, something like that. Tom. 01:20:14
And that their sources of money there and then there weren't. 01:20:19
We we spend a little bit of time, but not much on that. 01:20:25
And we need to keep our ears open. 01:20:28
But the probability of us getting money from them unless something else happens and then we would have other sources of grant 01:20:31
funding availability. 01:20:34
Is is I think low? 01:20:38
I think you're right. 01:20:42
But uh. 01:20:43
You know, we're we're faced with a pretty tough looking year, so who knows what's going to happen. 01:20:45
We keep it on the list. It's not costing us anything except sometime from our engineering team to. 01:20:52
And keep track of those folks and call them and. 01:20:57
OK, so. 01:21:02
Any other questions? 01:21:04
Mr. Chairman, the only other question is the Russell Rd. and. 01:21:08
Planning and designed. Is that money going to come through? 01:21:13
Russell Rd. is ongoing. 01:21:19
We did receive the Russell Rd. Smart grant. 01:21:20
That is just for design. 01:21:23
OK, we need to be ready to follow up with grant submittals. 01:21:25
Part of the condition of getting that money is that we submit for federal grants. 01:21:30
For the reconstruction of the road. 01:21:34
Now we, of course. 01:21:36
The engineers just started working on it, so we I haven't seen the alternative designs yet. They should present to us at. 01:21:38
Some kind of like alternative designs that look at the cost of the project and then. 01:21:46
We would move forward with a fine. 01:21:51
That the I am the design that the team selects. A dot is managing the project. 01:21:55
Like they'd like to manage it. We sit in at the meetings. 01:22:00
And, well, we're pushing that, whatever they. 01:22:04
Come up with needs to be the lowest cost possible because again, we're going to run into a cost feasibility challenge. 01:22:09
On that project as well. 01:22:14
OK. Thanks, Homer. 01:22:18
OK. This just summarizes the things we talked about, the rope improvements that we saw on that piece of paper. 01:22:20
The amount that it costs the county is $3.6 million. Somebody else was providing 11.6. 01:22:28
Heavy equipment, it's a $2.2 million over A2 year span. 01:22:34
Young and Tonto Basin. 01:22:38
We Every time I walk into the Townsville Basin Rd. yard, I tell myself we can do better. 01:22:41
That's not a Basin Rd. yard office. It's it's in bad shape. So I put a little bit of money there to. 01:22:46
Look at the counter base and see what we can do to. 01:22:52
Just accommodate the. 01:22:56
A person that considered it asking and work from a desk for an hour a day or two hours a day, whatever the supervisor does. 01:22:58
Chips you reconstruction. 01:23:06
This is a good item to talk about a little bit. 01:23:08
So we have these ropes that were chip sealed in the past and. 01:23:12
Ina, we paid somebody to do that work for us to take the chip shield off and replace it with a double chip seal. 01:23:16
In this particular case. 01:23:23
Wayne and his team is offering to. 01:23:25
If we can get somebody, a contractor, to mail off the asphalt. 01:23:27
That's already there. The chip Shields over there. 01:23:31
That he would go in, in the September time frame, not in the spring chip seal that we saw earlier or I don't know if we did it 01:23:34
yet, but we're going to see it. 01:23:37
In this in this in the September. 01:23:42
August timeframe he would go in there and double chip seal those roads after a contractor would mail it. 01:23:45
And that is probably a strategy that we need to pay attention to what's going to happen there. 01:23:51
Because that might be something that we do in the future. 01:23:57
Pay somebody to mail the asphalt off and we'll double chips you. 01:24:00
Because again, we were not able to pay $1,000,000 a mile with $9 million budget that we have. 01:24:04
And we're getting to that in a minute. 01:24:10
Budget, OK. 01:24:11
And so we're looking at just what these items alone we're looking at. 01:24:14
Capital improvements of $6.4 million. Again, this is work in process, the budget not complete. 01:24:18
That number? 01:24:24
That's that's some of those items were like a two year, 2 year. We need to look at it. 01:24:26
We actually need a five year capital plan. 01:24:30
At budget time. 01:24:34
So that we can so that when you approve the budget, you know what the next four years. 01:24:36
What the capacity? 01:24:42
Of the next four years would be to buy. 01:24:43
Capital equipment and to make capital improvements on roads. 01:24:46
Screen question. 01:24:51
So if I just do quick math, you're spending 6,000,004? 01:24:54
And we have an income of 9,000,003. 01:25:00
Is that correct? 01:25:04
64 instead of total of 6,000,004. 01:25:06
Like Aaron Red. 01:25:10
But your herf. 01:25:12
Is 9 million correct? 01:25:14
Three, correct. OK. Are we banking that money or is it being spent in another way? 01:25:16
It talks about a carry forward. We have to have some money that had been saved up overtime. 01:25:25
And today is probably like $17 million. 01:25:31
But there's also some encumbrances that that place some places where we. 01:25:34
Already issued work but haven't paid for it. 01:25:40
We've got comfort that expense, but we haven't, it hasn't. The money hasn't flowed from the county to that vendor, that 01:25:43
contractor. 01:25:47
So, umm. 01:25:50
We're going to look at that in a minute and there's still a money that I think can be wisely spent. 01:25:52
From that carry forward. 01:25:59
But we've already made some commitments, so it's getting down to where we need to be careful how we how we plan. 01:26:01
The next five years, and that's why. 01:26:07
I think A5 year capital plan is required, should be required. 01:26:10
I'm a budget. 01:26:14
For for our capital projects that we go forward. 01:26:16
And so that might mean that the team have to go back and look at the equipment again from A5 year perspective. 01:26:19
I think that's what we should do. We looked at it like from A2 year perspective, but I think we need to go back and redo that. 01:26:25
One hour and a half session. 01:26:31
And look at it from A5 year standpoint, what are we doing with equipment? 01:26:33
What are we doing with capital projects and at that time we would be working with because we would be closer to the budget. 01:26:37
We would be working with them. They're telling them exactly here's the carry forward that's available. 01:26:44
And we need to make sure that we don't exceed that level of. 01:26:49
Income both from revenue and. 01:26:54
I'll carry forward in the next 5 year period. 01:26:57
OK. Thank you. 01:27:00
Pavement preservation and and I show this slide. You've seen it before. 01:27:07
And it's got the herb numbers up there. Again, I hate to remind you of the core service for 84, but that's who we are. 01:27:11
That to show you that there's an expense associated with crack seal and chip seal. 01:27:19
And oftentimes I've had like 11 super. I've worked for 11 supervisors in my career with government. 01:27:24
And they always want to tell me that labor is free. OK, so let's assume that it is and that the labor for chip seal and crack seal 01:27:31
is free. 01:27:34
It's already embedded in the budget. 01:27:38
That the only difference in doing praxeo and chip seal is the material that we buy. 01:27:41
And and so these represent material costs. 01:27:47
On a per mile basis. 01:27:50
That 35 is very close. 01:27:52
I think the team is right now using like between 343334. 01:27:55
I rounded up to 35. 01:27:59
I've been using 35 for a long time, looking at different sources and our purchases. 01:28:01
Crack seal is an estimate of $10,000 per mile There. Crack seal material is expensive. 01:28:07
And we need to do crack seal and if we were to follow the textbook approach. 01:28:12
Of how often to do it. 01:28:17
And this is a. 01:28:18
Doing it every doing Crack seal every five years, the textbook says every three to five years. I just said let me use five years. 01:28:20
And and chips, he says every 7th to 10 years. Well, we may be chip ceiling every 15 years with. 01:28:27
Apparatus that we have we can probably extend. 01:28:33
Frequency on rural county roads in Gila County. 01:28:36
But if you were to follow this these numbers, it adds up to. 01:28:40
Almost $1,000,000 to do those two things. 01:28:45
OK, and you'll see a chart in a minute. That word shows that it's. 01:28:48
At the chip shield cost, it doesn't bring in the. 01:28:53
Cracks your cough is in some cases less than that on an annual basis and more than that. 01:28:55
In some other years when we do a lot of miles. 01:29:01
The double chip seal. 01:29:05
If we were to have to go back and replace. 01:29:07
Like cemetery? 01:29:10
There is a cost of souls. I put down $250,000 per mile. That's probably a low number. 01:29:12
And if we had to go back and and redo 6 miles. 01:29:18
Of roads every year. 01:29:24
And sooner or later we're going to be doing some of that, maybe not 6 miles that would be that cost. 01:29:26
Are to us OK. 01:29:31
Reconstruction Pavement. 01:29:33
And you hear over and over again, it's up to about $1,000,000 a mile to reconstruct pavement. 01:29:36
Takedown a pavement. 01:29:41
And put down a real pavement, not chips you. 01:29:43
And again, that's something. 01:29:46
That we ought to be looking for grant funding every time we do something like that. 01:29:47
Reef gravel. I don't have a cost there. 01:29:53
If you were to buy the gravel, it would be very expensive. It be. 01:29:56
And and if we were to replace gravel on our roads every 15 years? 01:29:59
Which textbook has every seven years? 01:30:03
But if we were to do it every 15 years. 01:30:06
It would be over $3,000,000 if we were to buy the material again. We're not buying the material. 01:30:09
And we don't do a lot of actual. We in the past have done some. 01:30:15
Graveling. We do a lot of spot graveling. 01:30:20
In Guy Silo, we elected to go out and revel the whole the entire community. 01:30:22
With three to four inches of gravel. 01:30:28
And we're going to see how that works out, how often we have to go back there. Maybe that diminishes the work for us long term. 01:30:30
If we do reraveling of community. 01:30:38
So we're keeping an eye out on casino to see how well. 01:30:40
Questions on that slide? 01:30:45
Chip, seal my compliment to Wayne and Joel again. They provided a very detailed. 01:30:52
Information, uh. 01:30:59
On a five year plan for chips. 01:31:00
And what you see here is that we're going to chip field in the spring of 2025. 01:31:02
Because summer doesn't start till June 22nd and we plan to have our chip shield done by then. 01:31:08
It adds up to 741,000. 01:31:14
Dollars and they are planning to do 26 miles. 01:31:19
That's a lot of miles. That's a record for us. That's the most we've ever done. 01:31:23
Of course, we are almost at capacity with our operators. I think we're. 01:31:27
Three. There are maybe 4. 01:31:32
Vacancies away. 01:31:35
From being fully staffed. 01:31:37
And so the, and you also see, because I asked the team, why don't we take some of those miles and push it out into the next four 01:31:40
years that you see? 01:31:44
On the right hand side and the pushback was. 01:31:49
Look at the mileage for Bixby Rd. it's 2 miles. Look at the mile for which field is 4 miles. 01:31:52
Hicks Rd. is 3 miles. 01:31:58
Fossil Creek is 3 miles, so you have these long section of growth where we are very efficient. 01:32:01
In chip ceiling. 01:32:06
And the team is welcome to push some of it out into the future. 01:32:07
Into fiscal year 26 if they want to, but right now they're committed to what's on what you're seeing on this piece of paper. 01:32:12
OK. And so that in fiscal year 262728 and 29, you see something like in miles, 8 miles? 01:32:19
4 miles, 11 miles and six miles. 01:32:26
Now for the last seven years. 01:32:30
We've been doing something probably an average of, say, 12 miles. 01:32:32
Here something like that. 01:32:36
Something in that neighborhood. 01:32:39
Double digit average for what we've done the last seven years. 01:32:40
So we're almost at the midway point of taking care. 01:32:44
Of our paved roads, one with at the midpoint. 01:32:48
We probably need four or five more years before we say we've done all that 200 miles of paved roads that we had. 01:32:52
Mm-hmm. 01:32:59
Oh my God, I'd like to thank you and the team very much for chip seedlings. 01:33:01
I can remember. 01:33:05
7-8 years ago they wanted to sell the lay down machine and subcontract over chip ceiling. 01:33:07
And and. 01:33:13
I I I know when we first started chip seedling it took. 01:33:14
Everybody and things were kind of scattered, but thank you very, very much for your persistence and working with. 01:33:19
Chip ceiling and I thank the crew very much for throwing in. 01:33:27
All hands on deck, all crews together. 01:33:31
Because it's made such a difference in our roads and able. 01:33:34
To make difference in our roads going forward because if we were to subcontract. 01:33:38
That out. 01:33:43
We would get way, way, way behind on roads because. 01:33:44
Be extremely expensive. 01:33:48
I just, well, we while we were on chips, you know, I just wanted to. 01:33:50
Thank you all very much for. 01:33:54
For creating a chip seal crew. 01:33:57
To help help us in the constituents with the roads that we deal with. 01:34:00
That the thanks, of course, belong to the team. 01:34:05
The group that sits back here and their operators. 01:34:08
They they actually you begin to see like re graveling of neighborhoods you begin to see. 01:34:12
Replacement of culverts. 01:34:18
Cleaning out culverts. 01:34:21
The team is taking on. 01:34:23
All the different things that are required for maintaining roads. 01:34:25
And they're doing that without necessarily getting a complaint from somebody. They're looking ahead. 01:34:29
And doing things that. 01:34:33
May not have been typical for us in the past. Maybe we didn't have the people for whatever reason. 01:34:35
They are doing these kind of things today. One of the. 01:34:40
The key things and I learned this. 01:34:43
I should have known this, but I I. 01:34:45
I don't mind saying I learned it from this house show. One time we're driving down. 01:34:47
I think it was Gibson Ranch Road and sees the shoulder, he says that you see the shoulders. 01:34:51
And I said yeah. 01:34:56
Well, the shoulders got a big drop off. It's eroded away overtime. 01:34:57
And he said with the COVID and not having but at one time they only had three people at the Star Valley Rd. yard. 01:35:01
We haven't been able to come back and repair those shoulders, but we need to get after those shoulders. That's critical when the 01:35:07
shoulders. 01:35:10
You wrote like that, then the pavement, the chip seal falls off. 01:35:13
And now you got a big mess and little things like that. They're maintaining shoulders on the road that really. 01:35:17
You didn't do the chip seal, you didn't change vegetation. People don't even see if they could repair that shoulder. But how 01:35:22
important is that? 01:35:26
Repair and the team is stepping up to those kind of day-to-day things. 01:35:30
So when we talk about our 24 mile per hour average that these operators maintain? 01:35:34
If you want to look at it that way. 01:35:41
It includes all aspects of maintaining a road we actually. 01:35:42
Little drainage areas and county manager Man Love and I have talked about that. If I come up with a list now, it's going to be 01:35:47
somebody else that has to come up with. 01:35:51
But if we if we generate a list that says, look, we're maintaining some drainage ways that have nothing to do with the road. 01:35:56
Would General Fund be able to pay for that? And the answer is they should pay for that. 01:36:02
If it's a ditch that's adjacent to the road and takes water from the road, no, that's part of a road system, Herb says. You can do 01:36:06
that with her. Funny. 01:36:11
But we, the team is just engaged in of these great variety of things, chips, you'll be just one of them. 01:36:17
And the chips, he was a great thing and the team has really. 01:36:24
Come along, they've got guys that love to operate that chip box, right? 01:36:26
That they're in the shade all day long maybe, I don't know. 01:36:31
But we have some excellent operators and backing up a 10 liter truck. 01:36:34
With the chip box rolling on a curb on some of these narrow roads. 01:36:38
You know what? What tremendous. 01:36:43
And they thought they didn't have that skill, but they did. They did. They never forgot how to how to chip seal and. 01:36:45
They come back in a brief fashion. 01:36:50
And we? 01:36:54
We had no choice. 01:36:55
We can't afford to pay for that. 01:36:57
We have no choice, OK? 01:36:59
That's that's who we are and. 01:37:01
And with $9 million, we have to do our own chips here. 01:37:03
OK, sorry. 01:37:07
Probably I don't want to destroy you. One last question because I can't run with this. Next time I'll shorten it up. 01:37:11
And go ask your question. OK, so this is a very, I'm going to call it simple spreadsheet. 01:37:17
So that we can look at it from a very high level. There's always a lot of detail behind these spreadsheets. 01:37:24
And the first 3 columns, fiscal year 2223 and 24 is just to show a trend. 01:37:30
OK, they're they're actual good numbers. 01:37:36
And we're looking at them in broad categories on a budget. 01:37:40
The first green line is revenues. How much money do we get? 01:37:44
And this is on the actual side. It's not that chart that I showed you at the beginning. 01:37:47
The chart that I showed you at the beginning was just three things, vehicle license tax, excise tax and hurt. 01:37:54
This one is the Forest Service gives us some money to do the EA. 01:38:00
On that. 01:38:05
Material bits, it'll show up here OK. 01:38:07
So it includes the big three plus little monies that we get from the floor service and other places. 01:38:09
But you can see that we get anywhere from between 9:00 and $11 million. 01:38:14
Of revenue that over the last four years. 01:38:20
And salaries have increased with inflation. 01:38:24
I would say. 01:38:28
And these are, but these are actual numbers. 01:38:30
If you were to look at the budget number, it's higher because the budget covers every position, even if it's vacant. 01:38:33
And so of course in in 2022, we had half the workforce that we needed. 01:38:40
So the number is only 3.3 million, but it. 01:38:46
But really the budget was much higher than 3.3. 01:38:49
And so when we budget that we had 4.3 million, but we only spend 3.3, then we take that $1,000,000 and put it in our carry 01:38:52
forward, you know it goes to our savings because we meant to spend that money. 01:38:58
But we've come to a point where we are almost full, where a handful of people away from being fooled in public works. 01:39:03
And so whatever budget you see the $4.5 million on fiscal year 2025, which is a budget number. 01:39:12
We're going to be somewhat. 01:39:19
Closer to that number that we've been in the past. 01:39:21
And that's a real number. That's something that includes all expenses associated with the employee, the health insurance and 01:39:24
everything else. 01:39:28
Is included in there. 01:39:32
We don't generate that number. Finance gives us that number, OK. 01:39:33
X number of employees means this dollar value. The only way to change that number is to diminish or increase the employees. 01:39:37
OK. The next number operating supplies includes chip seal and crack seal material. 01:39:45
OK. We don't consider chip seal and crack seal as capital improvements to the world. It's like grading a road and adding gravel to 01:39:51
it, OK? 01:39:54
So if they find those things find its way through the operating supplies and you can see how that has been increasing overtime. 01:39:58
And part of the reason is inflation. The other one is. 01:40:06
We're doing more chips here with Time goes on. 01:40:09
OK. And then capital transportation is capital project that we worked on? 01:40:12
In fiscal year 25, you see like a 2 million. 01:40:18
$2,000,000. 01:40:21
Uh, capital transportation in there. 01:40:23
Well, that is all a Forest Service money for the ropes that we're doing. They actually pay for us. We pay the contractor. 01:40:25
And so that $2.3 million is an expenditure. 01:40:32
If you go up the line on that budget line, you see where it's 11,000,000. 01:40:36
Well, that two points. So they paid us $2.3 million to spend $2.3 million. 01:40:40
So it shows up on the revenue side and then it shows up on the expenditure side, OK. 01:40:46
And they and they should be 0. 01:40:51
We got that much money from them. We spent that much money for that contractor. 01:40:53
Based on the agreement we have with them. 01:40:58
So you can ignore that 2.3 million. 01:41:00
It's unless we get some more Forest Service money to do other things. 01:41:03
So then we have another number called carry forward. 01:41:07
So in last year when we prepared the budget for 2025, we say we have $16,000,000, let's do some capital improvement and let's buy 01:41:10
some equipment. 01:41:15
And that $8 million that you see there is on the smaller box? 01:41:20
The one with the yellow highlight and I'm sorry, the screen's not showing you. 01:41:25
That a little bit there, but you've got it on your slide. 01:41:29
And it lists some things and we haven't spent all of that, OK. 01:41:32
We we, we haven't spent that, but most of these things or something that will like we have two motivators there. Maybe it's a 01:41:37
motivator and a dump truck. 01:41:41
So. 01:41:46
But most, but we do plan to spend many of these things. That's why I was talking about things that we've encumber, that we've 01:41:48
committed to spend. 01:41:52
That is going to use up that $8 million. 01:41:56
OK. And for instance? 01:41:59
We want to do Round Valley, get some rent. We're going to do that. When we budgeted, it was 1.6. Earlier I showed you with 1.5 we 01:42:01
want to do around Valley and it's going to be something like that with the current design that we have. 01:42:07
We're going to spend money on the Young Rd. design, we're going to contribute to the Smart Grant X amount money and we're going to 01:42:14
spend $200,000 on that. 01:42:18
We're committed to doing that. Monroe St. We're going to do that, OK. 01:42:22
At Houston Mesa. 01:42:26
There was an increase in cost. The board approved that we could spend that much more on the project. Maybe we're hearing it to be 01:42:29
less, OK. 01:42:33
So maybe it's going to be less than a million, but today we committed to spend 1.1 million on it. 01:42:37
And until the road is done, I can't. We can't just say we're going to spend less and then we run out of money and hurt. 01:42:42
OK, Town Site Act, we're going to do. Herf is going to do something with the Town Site Act. We want to do that. We want to be able 01:42:49
to. 01:42:52
Maybe put a road yard there or use them with your expand the material that once it's our property. 01:42:56
There so. 01:43:01
Whether it's exactly everything that you see on the list, or substitute for this. 01:43:04
That there's a great likelihood that either in fiscal year 25 or we take this commitment into 26. 01:43:09
That we're going to spend $8 million of that $17 million that we have available. 01:43:17
OK, as I carry forward. 01:43:22
And then we're left with. 01:43:24
I'm gonna say. 01:43:25
$8 million. 01:43:27
And change. 01:43:29
It's what it shows here, $8.7 million. 01:43:30
And change the carry carry forward. 01:43:33
Now, so you have $8.7 million to carry forward? 01:43:35
Should you spend that down even more is the question. 01:43:38
Should you take it down to 6,000,000? 01:43:43
And, and so you need to think about yourself. Well, have you talked yet Homer, about. 01:43:45
What grant, what local share we would need for Russell Row? Did we get that grant because on the bridge we spent $3,000,000 on a 01:43:49
$25 million project? 01:43:53
And have we talked about if we get the 512 grant for the 512, who's got the the local share, the $3,000,000 for that project, 01:43:58
because that's going to be a $20 million project? 01:44:03
OK, so who's got the $3,000,000? So we need to save some money for those opportunities. 01:44:09
We also need to save some money because if things don't go well in the economy. 01:44:15
Last time what ADOT did is they took her monies away from counties to use with their This is. 01:44:21
Safety operations or their Rd. operations. They took money away from the county. 01:44:28
So is it possible that our. 01:44:33
Revenue source could diminish. Yes, there is some possibility. Now is her going to go completely away? No. 01:44:36
OK. But it could be, it could diminish sales of gasoline could diminish? 01:44:42
The sales tax could be managed, so we need some buffer. 01:44:47
Is between 8:00 and $6 million in my opinion, OK. 01:44:50
And we would work with the county manager to arrive at that number. 01:44:54
So maybe we can spend a little bit of that money more. 01:44:58
But the bottom line is we're a year or two away from having to live within our means. 01:45:01
OK. And you don't mortgage your house based on the bonuses you get at work like I did at AT&T? 01:45:07
Give you a bonus every Christmas if you make profit. You get nothing that Christmas if you don't get if you don't make a profit. 01:45:14
Whatever the goal was. 01:45:20
When I went to buy a house it was based on my salary, not with my bonuses. 01:45:21
So the bonuses for us are the grants. 01:45:26
OK. Our salary is the model year. We get $9.3 million from three sources that we can mostly trust. 01:45:28
How do we spend that $9.3 million? 01:45:38
And that's what's in the model year. 01:45:41
We're not going to do away with employees. If anything, we need equipment and employees to do our work. They got to be balanced 01:45:43
and that was a great question that yet. 01:45:47
There's got to be balance between the number of equipment and the functionality equipment. 01:45:51
In the number of employees that we have. 01:45:55
And we need to take advantage of that. 01:45:57
So salaries is going to be 4 and a half million dollars. Well, that's almost half of the money that we get from the big three. 01:45:59
And then you have operating supply 3.2. 01:46:06
Well, to cut operating supplies, a big chunk of that is going to be the $1,000,000 for crack sealing tips here. 01:46:09
OK. And then all of the variety of things that we spend money on? 01:46:16
So that leaves you. 01:46:19
$1,000,000 or doing some pavement preservation, some bridge repairs right now. 01:46:21
A Dodger sent us the inspection of six bridges and they say five of them need guard rails. 01:46:26
So for instance. 01:46:31
So we need to find money to replace those guardrails. 01:46:33
So it's just $1,000,000. There's not a whole lot you can do with $1,000,000. 01:46:37
And that's why I say Chip CEO. 01:46:41
And the work that's going to be done on Cemetery Rd. where we mill the road, we pay somebody a little bit of money to mill the 01:46:43
road and we don't go double chip seal it ourselves. 01:46:47
It's going to be a solution for the county going forward and therefore capital equipment, we would have $600,000 left for capital 01:46:52
equipment. 01:46:55
And that's living within our means. 01:47:00
And then if we get grants, that's a bonus. 01:47:03
OK. But we need a little bit of leverage money to? 01:47:05
Get that graph. 01:47:09
Sometimes it's competitive that way. 01:47:10
So I just wanted to share that model year with you. 01:47:12
And, and, and for us to start thinking, for the county to start thinking about. 01:47:16
Yes, we don't want $16,000,000 laying around doing nothing. 01:47:20
We want to buy equipment and we want to repair roads that need to be repaired. 01:47:24
But we also need to start planning about what happens later on and that's why the five year capital budget is important for us to 01:47:30
do this year. 01:47:34
And if I was the board, I wouldn't approve her budget until somebody showed me that five year plan. 01:47:38
And the next day? 01:47:45
And I got three days left. First thing Friday. I need to do something. I got a half a day Wednesday. 01:47:47
Kerry is going to see a lot of me. 01:47:53
As I help with that, with that five year budget. 01:47:55
Because that's how important I think it should be for us. 01:47:58
Going forward. 01:48:01
OK, questions. 01:48:03
Mr. Chair. 01:48:06
So you touched on the Town Site Act. 01:48:07
Homer, that that's still kind of an unknown as far as the cost that's gonna. 01:48:10
Well, we're finally going to pay. Are the total cost of that correct? 01:48:16
Is a federal process. 01:48:22
Is US Map Petrol what he wants to do? He loves the idea. 01:48:25
Of having the county buy some property so he can get rid of. 01:48:30
Landfill that's on his property today. 01:48:34
OK, however, he doesn't control the chain. 01:48:36
He doesn't control. 01:48:43
Everybody. And so it's been slowing down. 01:48:45
Outside accident slowing down, but it's still moving forward. 01:48:48
There is. 01:48:52
The environmental assessment that looked at the cultural resources. 01:48:53
I have shown that there's probably more than what we expected. 01:48:59
And so we're trying to figure out what's the cost of that. 01:49:03
And how did that impact our ability to buy? 01:49:07
Close to 600. 01:49:09
Acres. 01:49:11
We may decide not to buy 600 acres when we see the number. 01:49:13
For the cultural resource remediation. 01:49:16
OK, but I think that there is. 01:49:20
Enough opportunity for us. 01:49:22
So at a minimum, acquire. 01:49:25
Area of land to give us a hundred year landfill. 01:49:28
Capacity. 01:49:31
And that that should remain our our goal and our objective. 01:49:33
What, Homer? What? 01:49:41
I I know you can't answer this. I'm I'm not asking anyway, what kind of time frame do you think it's going to take for us to 01:49:44
really? 01:49:47
Know what direction we're headed on that. 01:49:51
Is Scott Warren here I think. 01:49:56
We were talking this year at one time. 01:49:58
Call. 01:50:03
Yeah, that was, it was about a year. The whole thing was going to be two years from start to finish. 01:50:05
But that was like a year ago. 01:50:11
OK. 01:50:13
We we bring to the meeting a timeline and I think a couple of meetings ago it ended that we would be purchasing the property at 01:50:15
the end of this year. 01:50:20
Thank you. 01:50:28
And homeroom I would. 01:50:30
Agree with you that to have a carry forward. 01:50:32
It's very close to approximately 1 year's worth of expenditures I think is wise. 01:50:35
To have that much. 01:50:41
Because it's not like the money is evaporating. It might be eroding a little with inflation. 01:50:43
But if we got if we get caught with too little amount of money, that's by far worse. 01:50:48
Thank you. 01:50:56
OK. We have a couple more slides. I think that they have all to do with policy now and you've not probably seen some of these 01:51:00
things and their ideas. 01:51:04
And if you don't like them, you need to tell us, because we. 01:51:09
We would like to bring an ordinance to the board sometime in the future that talks about gold policy. 01:51:12
And that would include everything under a policy. So we have a country dirt Rd. policy that. 01:51:18
The previous County Attorney said was we shouldn't be using that. It was not a. 01:51:23
A valid way to bring new roads into the county. 01:51:28
So we've been using the primitive Rd. policy and the normal county highway policy to bring roads into. 01:51:31
We have a road abandonment policy that was. 01:51:36
That is subject to interpretation in some cases, and I'm trying to. 01:51:39
To remove the interpretation by a director of public works in making the decisions. 01:51:44
And it be clear. 01:51:48
And and and completely comprehendible what what our policies are. 01:51:50
And these are different documents, they're not the same documents. And I think, I think we ought to put that all on one either 01:51:54
ordinance or some policy. 01:51:58
Going forward. 01:52:01
And so these are. 01:52:02
Suggestions to the board to get your input so that staff can start thinking about what? 01:52:04
What should policy? 01:52:09
Robes look like for Himla County, OK. 01:52:11
So Homer, have you started drafting anything like that? 01:52:14
A long time ago. 01:52:22
There is something on the iDrive. 01:52:24
I hate, I hate to say this. 01:52:27
But Shannon couldn't actually help me draft. 01:52:29
Some of these documents. 01:52:32
And so they've been sitting there for a long time, and that's why I hate to say that. 01:52:34
But there's different versions and. 01:52:38
Some of the counties Mojave County has some great documents that can be can be utilized. 01:52:41
And no, there's not a good enough document that I can say there's a graph. 01:52:47
OK, OK. So County Road policies adding road to the county maintained Rd. system. 01:52:53
And currently we use, we actually go to Arizona Revised Statues, read it and say, oh, this is what we need to do. OK. 01:53:00
That as far as I know, we don't have a policy for doing that. We have a policy for Rd. abandonment. We have a policy for 01:53:07
primitive. 01:53:11
But for adding a road to county maintained Rd. system we open up. 01:53:16
ARS every time. And we look at it, and currently ARS tells us. 01:53:21
10 or more resident taxpayers petition the board. 01:53:26
The board directs the county engineer to make a survey or to provide existing survey map showing the road location. 01:53:30
The board rejects or accepts the fission, so you have a meeting to do that. 01:53:37
The board sets a date for a public hearing. You've been through this process before. You give notice to the public newspaper. 01:53:41
You have a public hearing where the board considers feasibility, advantage and necessity for the role. 01:53:47
And that the board determined that there's public necessity. It may then approve the role. 01:53:53
Via resolution OK. 01:53:58
Now another section of ARS 6705 that talks about public roads and St. maintenance. 01:54:00
Also says the Board of Supervisors may spend public monies. 01:54:07
For maintenance of public roads. 01:54:11
A. The roads or street shall be either one. 01:54:13
Laid out, open and constructed for the County Standard without cost to the county. 01:54:17
OK. Or it was completed via an approved plan? 01:54:21
Or it would laid out, open and constructed before June 13, 1990, even if not constructed the county standards. 01:54:26
And so those are the guiding documents that we use when we bring. 01:54:35
Here's a new. 01:54:39
Road that we would like to. 01:54:43
To the list of maintenance. 01:54:45
So, Mr. Chair, I make. 01:54:47
So Homer like for county standards? 01:54:49
Is that it addressed somewhere in older policy or? 01:54:52
Where, where we're SA? Where we gonna find that? 01:54:57
So we have a policy Rd. design. 01:55:01
Policy that public works. 01:55:05
Has created it's It's. 01:55:07
Many years old. It's 1015 years old. 01:55:09
And it's kind of like written. 01:55:13
Or subdivisions. You're going to build a subdivision. Here's what you need to do with the. 01:55:16
But it is our policy for world standards today. 01:55:21
I think I mentioned to the board that before it does not include a gravel Rd. in there because normally a subdivision would be a 01:55:24
paved subdivision. 01:55:28
OK. That's that's, that's the standard, mostly the standard in most of Arizona. 01:55:33
So. 01:55:37
So we need to include a gravel Rd. standard in there. 01:55:38
In the absence of that gravel Rd. standard, somebody brings a 20 foot rope to us and we talked about this at the right of way 01:55:41
ordinance. 01:55:44
And we approve it. Then we're stuck with a rope that's really not. 01:55:48
We can't really maintain something like that. You put 1m box on their water meter box. 01:55:52
It's very difficult then to maintain it in the future. 01:55:58
And so we need to and at the right of way ordinance, I shared with you a version of what I thought a gravel Rd. should look like 01:56:01
40 foot, right? 01:56:05
With enough room for the ditches and the utility easements along the side. 01:56:10
And two way travel. 01:56:15
11 foot wide. 01:56:18
Lanes basically. 01:56:20
They're not measured like on a paved Rd. but. 01:56:22
It would allow for 11 foot white roads. 01:56:24
And we do need to create in creating the accounting policy if the Board agrees that we should follow in that direction. 01:56:26
We would also need to go change Rd. design standard for the county. 01:56:33
Going to include gravel loaves. 01:56:38
So let me ask you this Homer center on the idea of policies when it comes to public works. 01:56:41
Your department. 01:56:47
Do we have a lot of? 01:56:51
I would imagine we have a lot of old policy in your department. 01:56:53
Is that right? I'm saying that or. 01:56:57
Yes, we have a lot of whole policies. 01:57:01
We discovered that with the Osho, he said. 01:57:04
That we had about a month ago. 01:57:07
We have a lot of policies. Some actually are good policies, and those policies haven't. That book hasn't been read in a long time. 01:57:09
And and and there. 01:57:16
For new employees and new supervisors, et cetera, and even the old supervisors, we. 01:57:19
We do need to take time to go read those policies and either get rid of them. 01:57:25
Or do you think so from us as a county standpoint in that? 01:57:29
That's just something we need to. 01:57:36
To clean up. 01:57:38
That's true. 01:57:41
Thank you. 01:57:45
OK, so. 01:57:50
There's nothing there because there's Allstate statute and summary fashion. 01:57:51
All right, so up. 01:57:57
If we were to have a policy, I think we ought to have like a road acceptance criteria. 01:57:58
We put a lot of burden on staff and on the board too. 01:58:04
To say here's a row. 01:58:09
There's a petition. Let's accept it. 01:58:11
And you may not think so, but I at heart want to make people happy. 01:58:13
And so when somebody asked for a petition, I kind of leaned to, I start with I'm going to see what I can do kind of idea, OK. 01:58:22
And in seeing what you can do, then you start to look for. There's one particular rule, and I'm going to mention that in a little 01:58:29
bit. 01:58:33
It's and it has a drainage problem. 01:58:38
And so I offer to the person, well, let's work on the drainage then. 01:58:42
And the position that we get into that we start to accept roads that are very difficult to maintain. 01:58:47
And we put a burden on the 32 operators to do that. 01:58:53
At risk of damaging equipment, damaging property and other things. 01:58:57
And we also incur a liability that that road is passable. 01:59:02
Under normal circumstances and it should be maintained in a normal fashion. 01:59:05
And so we. 01:59:10
We need to ask ourselves. 01:59:11
You know we keep accepting 20 foot wide roads. 01:59:13
We're creating problems for today and for tomorrow. 01:59:17
And we shouldn't be doing that. 01:59:20
And so I think an acceptance criteria. 01:59:22
A road acceptance criteria that is coupled with the state statutes. 01:59:25
Were incorporates part of what the state statutes have? 01:59:30
What would be a valid thing to have? 01:59:34
And we've used what you see up on the board here with some of the rows that we go visit. 01:59:36
And we take it and we show the people, here's our expectations. 01:59:41
The road needs to be 40 foot wide. It needs to have a travel way of 22 feet. 01:59:45
It needs to be dedicated. 01:59:50
Or have an Eastman. 01:59:52
It needs to be a good gravel Rd. because they're supposed to bring it to us at no cost to the county. 01:59:54
It means they have. 01:59:59
A traffic count that meets a certain criteria. 02:00:01
And I've got here. 02:00:04
Just put that number down 100. 02:00:06
Trips per day at in all sections of the road. Because the road starts at the beginning, it has a lot of traffic. 02:00:08
But if it's 10 miles long at the very end it has no traffic. Well, you don't want to maintain the whole 10 mile Rd. 02:00:14
Want to maintain the growth that has traffic? 02:00:19
That it served 10 homes. That it has mortgages. 02:00:22
That it has gets capacity for a 10 year storm. 02:00:25
That it has wasteful to shed water from the road drainage waste. 02:00:29
We need to look at the lower crossing. What liability are we current with the low water crossing? 02:00:35
If it's a dead end road or if we stop maintaining it, we need a way to turn around at the end. 02:00:41
It should connect to one of our county roads or state roads. 02:00:47
It required meets County Road standards. 02:00:51
OK, so we don't have a road standard today unless it's a paved Rd. but the rules we've been bringing in the last seven years have 02:00:55
not paid for roads. 02:00:59
So we we allow that and ensure because. 02:01:03
Most of our roads are gravel, but we need a standard for a gravel road to give a target to folks. What to do? 02:01:07
And what what year was it constructed? We need to know whether it was 1990 or. 02:01:14
Or to see what what level of. 02:01:19
Maintenance, we will provide the level, but something like we've used this for almost everywhere we go now. 02:01:23
When people say they want to add a road to the list of county Maintain Rd. which share these ideas with folks. 02:01:29
And it's helpful. I think that element was. 02:01:35
And that would be a part of the policy. 02:01:38
Would be a recommendation from staff. 02:01:41
Questions. 02:01:43
Another item that I wanted to bring up to you is that we do have a policy called the Dust abatement policy. 02:01:56
And there's a policy number there and it was approved back in 2020, actually not that long ago, I think it was. 02:02:06
The some. 02:02:12
The staff edited that policy. I think it's older than 2020. 02:02:15
It was a policy that is applied to reduce dust by providing a surface coat. 02:02:20
Of the following calcium chloride and magnesium chloride or lignin sulfate. 02:02:27
OK, so these materials need moisture to penetrate and so you need to put enough water on the road that the road is at least 6 02:02:32
inches deep. 02:02:37
With wetness. 02:02:42
And so when you put it on the top, the material seeks water and it goes into the gravel road. And so you end up with six inches 02:02:44
of. 02:02:48
Reinforce Gravel. 02:02:53
OK. 02:02:55
That later on, six months down the road or a year down the rule. 02:02:56
It starts to crumble and when you blade it, it comes out in big chunks. 02:03:00
OK. And that? 02:03:05
That's an experience that we have, that if you ask some of the folk here, they have similar experiences. 02:03:06
That's an experience that I witnessed in Navajo County back then. 02:03:12
It's short term and duration 6 months to a year. 02:03:17
OK. And it does cost money. Actually we haven't done it in a long, long time that I don't know what the cost for this material is. 02:03:21
But I would guess it's somewhere between 10 and $15,000 a mile. 02:03:27
But again it gives you very very short duration with the. 02:03:32
And in this policy. 02:03:36
They were asking the residents to pay 75% of the cost of that material and that the county would then bring the water truck. 02:03:38
Put water on the road and apply this material. 02:03:45
OK. And then something that I thought was. 02:03:48
Well thought out was that it's first come first serve. 02:03:54
And that it would limit it to the allocated font for the year. So the board would approve this year we're going to allow $50,000 02:03:58
for dust abatement. 02:04:02
And once you exhausted that, you wouldn't accept anymore folks that particular year. 02:04:07
On a first come, first serve. 02:04:12
So it's not like if. 02:04:13
People come and say do this for the 500 miles of. 02:04:15
Of of dirt growth that you have and then you don't have enough money to do it. So it'll allow for that anyway. 02:04:19
And it required a certain amount. In other words, don't ask the county to come put the dust abatement in your frontage. 02:04:27
Just, you know, the 200 feet that you have, but to the road it needs to be, in this particular case, at least one mile. 02:04:35
OK, so Homer, let me ask you on this one. 02:04:42
Because we have. 02:04:46
County roads. 02:04:48
That are that are obviously gravel or dirt. 02:04:50
In populated places. And so if it's our Rd. residents don't have to pay that 75%, right, Yeah. 02:04:54
They do. This is for everybody. 02:05:02
This was for resident on public roads. 02:05:05
They would have to pay for it. 02:05:09
That seems a little. 02:05:15
Little heavy to me, I guess because. 02:05:16
State statutes allow for something called a road Improvement District. 02:05:20
So you have a road that's maintained by the county of Gravel Rd. 02:05:23
And you want to pave it. 02:05:26
You form a district. I'm going to call it that. 02:05:28
And you have the county help you. 02:05:32
And you actually borrow money that then you repay. 02:05:36
With property taxes over the next 10 years. 02:05:40
And that's called a road Improvement District. 02:05:43
OK. And it's used, it was used in Navajo County. People wanted to, they were actually the road that I live on. 02:05:46
That happened to a 20 years ago. 02:05:52
And the subdivision was developed with gravel roads that people wanted, paved roads. 02:05:55
And they formed this district. 02:05:59
A hierarchy attorney that hierarchy engineer. It hired the contractor. 02:06:01
All under the supervision of the county. 02:06:06
And then they repaid that borrowed money. 02:06:08
Over 10 years via property taxes and assessment of their property. 02:06:13
So that's on a road that the county maintains. But what if we own the road? What if it's a County Road? 02:06:16
Umm, that road Improvement District would like to county maintain roads. 02:06:24
At the county meeting. 02:06:30
Really. 02:06:31
Most, most, I can't say most of our roads because we have so many for service roads, but. 02:06:33
Outside of the floor service both most of those roads there. 02:06:38
A small percentage or Eastman's. Most of them are. 02:06:42
County property. 02:06:45
Of the non Forest Service roads. 02:06:47
And so this would apply to. 02:06:50
The intention was that this applies to county maintaining roads. This policy. 02:06:53
I I guess maybe maybe I'm having a. 02:07:01
A moment here. 02:07:04
But I would think if the road is actually a dedicated County Road. 02:07:07
It would be our responsibility to do something like that. I can see if it's a maintained by the county. 02:07:12
More or less just. 02:07:19
What would you call it? 02:07:21
Whatever, but. 02:07:23
But if it's actually a County Road. 02:07:25
So I understand what you're saying. 02:07:29
OK. And. 02:07:32
People call us all the time and they say especially just recently because we have the dry spell. 02:07:35
And can you do something about my Rd. It's got a lot of dust and it's a gravel Rd. 02:07:41
And our typical answer is no. 02:07:48
We have 5 water trucks. 02:07:50
And you put water on it by the afternoon, you didn't put water on right. And so that's that's I almost the counter. We're spending 02:07:52
money for what reason? They're going to have dust tomorrow. 02:07:58
And we water all the roads every day. 02:08:04
Where do you stop? 02:08:07
And so you bought a property with a gravel roll, that's what. 02:08:09
That's what you paid for and. 02:08:14
We don't have a good answer. 02:08:17
Because. 02:08:19
Watering the road is not a good answer. It's it's even shorter duration than. 02:08:22
A test abatement policy that we have here. 02:08:27
And so if we were to do something different, we need to think about the cost. 02:08:30
Cost of us doing like dust abatement? 02:08:34
I would I would say. 02:08:37
Dust abatement using these three chemicals is is is is not a good use of our money. 02:08:40
If we really have a dusty Rd. that has a lot of traffic. 02:08:46
The county ought to say, well, should we be chip sealing some rules? 02:08:50
In the future. 02:08:55
Right, we add another mile of rope that we gypsy on. 02:08:56
And so in the blue section it talks about a similar policy. 02:08:59
For chip sealing that if somebody wanted this is. 02:09:04
Different than the county doing it. 02:09:07
It's a group of people wanted to have their road trip shield. 02:09:09
OK, now you do get rid of the dust in a more permanent basis. 02:09:13
And would they be in this blue section of this piece of paper, it says. 02:09:18
Would they? It would require them to buy the material and the county would put down the chair. 02:09:23
The county would do the chip seal if they buy the material. 02:09:31
Giving. 02:09:34
The citizens some alternate solution. Today they have no solution. 02:09:35
OK, if it's dusty, it's dusty. We're going to. 02:09:40
Chip dealer, No, we're not going to chip seal it. 02:09:43
And they would have a solution similar to a. 02:09:47
Information of a district and of course this is the first time that Jessica's listening to this, but it's modeled after the dust. 02:09:51
Pay that policy. 02:09:55
And so I thought it was valid to bring it to the table to all persons to see and hear. 02:10:00
And I'm looking for a way through. 02:10:06
I don't like to tell people it's dusty and we're not going to do anything. 02:10:08
OK, but that's what we've been doing. 02:10:13
Will we have and we have it. And I tell them, I tell them there's a dust pill at the policy. 02:10:16
And they don't like it. 02:10:21
Because because it cost them money and it is short duration. 02:10:23
And it's not 100% effective either. 02:10:28
So if we have a Rd. 02:10:34
It goes through a neighborhood and it's a County Road. 02:10:38
Not just maintained, but the county owns it. 02:10:41
We have chip sailed those roads before. 02:10:45
Those dirt roads? 02:10:49
And residents didn't pay the price on that. 02:10:51
And so I guess what I would say is when it comes to this particular page that. 02:10:55
I I don't know the answer, Homer, because I'm going to be the first one to tell you, you go buy a house down on a dirt Rd. You 02:11:03
need to you should have realized this dirt road and there is dust there. 02:11:07
But reality is given six months and they want something done with the past. 02:11:13
That's just the way life goes. 02:11:18
But. 02:11:21
I, I, I think I can already tell looking in the future right now that this page is gonna, there's gonna be some good discussions 02:11:23
on it because. 02:11:27
We still have quite a bit of those roads out there. 02:11:31
That we actually own that are counting roads. 02:11:34
Dedicated to the county. 02:11:38
That are dirt in the middle of subdivisions. 02:11:40
And I also know that we have chip sealed some of them and the residents, we didn't charge them. 02:11:45
All of those things are true. 02:11:52
And for lack of a policy, we've done what what a supervisor or a. 02:11:54
Road manager felt they should do at that point in time. 02:12:02
Yeah, it is a policy. Gives us guidance in the end. 02:12:05
If the board says we want to tip shield a mile, an additional mile every year. 02:12:09
We have to start with the highest traffic count. 02:12:14
And go from there. And that that may not be a bad a bad approach for some of these. 02:12:17
But it doesn't. It doesn't resolve people calling and saying. 02:12:23
What can I do? What other alternatives do I have? 02:12:26
And this was an effort to give them an alternative. 02:12:30
And I want to hear the. 02:12:34
The input that you're providing and I'm hearing it and so the staff here. 02:12:37
I'm not asking for a decision today. 02:12:42
I'm asking for you to offer import. 02:12:45
Because I think the board needs to come back with another work session that says here's. 02:12:48
What we envision to be a real policy for the county. 02:12:52
And then we can. 02:12:55
We can, we can. We can talk about this in more detail. 02:12:57
But. 02:13:01
In a roundabout way, when we improve things like a road going into houses, a group of homes or whatever. 02:13:04
We're also improving the property values to those houses when we do that. 02:13:10
Their property values will go up. 02:13:15
Which in turn means more tax dollars for us. 02:13:18
So it doesn't mean that we're just doing this and not going to see a return on it, because we are. 02:13:21
And so. 02:13:28
So there's a lot to this page, Homer, that yeah, absolutely in the future I'd. 02:13:29
I'd really like to see us discuss and. 02:13:34
See what we can workout or if this is it, this is it, you know, how do we need to go about it? 02:13:38
OK, very good. 02:13:43
The other item that I wanted to share the notion of a citizens committee, like a road Commission. 02:13:48
And the royal Commission? Their objective would be? 02:13:55
Provide input to the board on like for instance the right of way ordinance. 02:13:59
On the road policy ordinance that we were just talking about the potential for that. 02:14:03
On degrading and drainage ordinance. 02:14:08
On other public ordinances. 02:14:10
And the dust abatement or the chips you policies? 02:14:12
So, and again, this is is this something that? 02:14:15
Is the right timing for us and the right place and the right time for us to be thinking about these things? 02:14:21
They would. They could also review the petition to add roads. 02:14:26
In abandoned roads. 02:14:30
And make recommendations to the board similar to the Planning and Zoning Commission. 02:14:31
OK. And we could even if we wanted to. 02:14:35
Review our capital improvement plan. 02:14:39
Other counties have where they invite the citizens to come and. 02:14:41
There's the improvements that we're going to make in the next few years. 02:14:44
Tell us what you think and of course you'll always have the happy unhappy when you bring. 02:14:47
All the citizens in but these would be a group. A small group, 55 folks. 02:14:53
Trying to offer. 02:14:58
A third party input. 02:14:59
Into the things that we'd be bringing to the board. 02:15:01
For the board to review. 02:15:04
What, How? What would be your recommendation for selecting a group of these individuals? 02:15:07
I don't have a don't have a good recommendation for that. 02:15:20
I could just picture the right five and what that would be. 02:15:24
The alternative to this is, is is where you say, well, isn't that what the board does all the time? 02:15:29
And maybe we're enough of a small county that that is appropriate for the board to do all these things like they've been doing in 02:15:35
the past. 02:15:38
And that. 02:15:42
And that. 02:15:44
We invite the public through the. 02:15:45
Public meetings. 02:15:49
It's not like we're keeping the public away from. 02:15:50
Participating in all these things. 02:15:54
Did you ever hear about the committee that was formed to develop the horse? 02:16:00
And they came up with the camel. 02:16:05
So. 02:16:09
The. 02:16:13
Having the proper expertise to. 02:16:16
Come up with real solutions would be difficult I think. 02:16:19
And. 02:16:23
I get a lot of input suggestions already from the public. 02:16:26
And so then I can bring that to. 02:16:30
The discussion. 02:16:32
Probably. 02:16:34
Good input. 02:16:37
And these just ideas that we're putting things. 02:16:39
I think it really be cool to see where that went. 02:16:42
If you want my pens, it would end up with a committee that lives on a dirt road and you would be end up paving all of them and Mr. 02:16:48
Menlove would go nuts because we don't have the funding. 02:16:53
OK. 02:17:03
Next slide. 02:17:05
Discussion I I. 02:17:07
I understand the challenge, so let's move on to vehicle replacement. 02:17:10
So we have 14 vehicles that we're ready to purchase. 02:17:16
And again, this is a little bit of a policy issue. I'm not trying to write a policy or write an ordinance around this idea. 02:17:20
But the current strategy, we buy Ford vehicles and we buy them using a state contract. 02:17:28
It's a valid contract that we buy this vehicle from. 02:17:33
There actually is a Chevrolet State contract and on the right hand side of the slide you see the comparison of those two. 02:17:36
OK, the advantages of. 02:17:43
Buying a floor after having bought Ford for many years is there is a. 02:17:46
Maintenance familiarity. 02:17:52
And there is a user familiarity. In other words, the sheriff hops into that vehicle. He knows where the wipers are at, where the 02:17:54
turn signals are at. 02:17:58
Where the keys located, etc. 02:18:02
If you drive like I do, a Toyota, a Chevy, a Honda. 02:18:04
You get lost in what does what, so there. 02:18:10
At the advantage of maintenance and use familiarity. 02:18:14
The disadvantage is that we don't go out and test the market. 02:18:18
OK. We've got the state contracts here. 02:18:21
And we do that. 02:18:24
But we don't. Other than that, we don't really test the market. 02:18:25
We are using state contracts. 02:18:29
So we're not going out to. 02:18:32
Everybody can be it. And the last time that we did this, by the way, we have some people from outside of the United States that 02:18:34
actually did. 02:18:37
Unfortunately, because I didn't know if I could trust to bring those vehicles in. 02:18:41
In what condition they would be? They were high bidder, not a low bidder. 02:18:47
And so. 02:18:52
The question becomes if we go out to test the market that we open it up to all brands. 02:18:55
The other one is that we have the two contracts that we can compare. 02:19:00
And we can use the contract, we can say we can even look at the contract and say when we buy pickups, we're all going to be short. 02:19:05
When we buy something else, they're all going to be Chevrolet. 02:19:10
We could go that route. 02:19:14
Umm, in the mean time. 02:19:16
I think while we have procurement. 02:19:21
And General Services. 02:19:25
Talk about a way for us to go get competitive bids while we wait for that. 02:19:27
I think we ought to buy these 14 vehicles that we're ready to buy from. 02:19:32
Come forward and that we. 02:19:36
Examine how it is that we would be if we wanted to go out and test the marketplace. 02:19:39
That we figure out a way that we don't change every year, that this year for that it'd be like a five year contract. 02:19:45
Chevy, you came in a little bit. You got our business for five years. 02:19:52
4, you came in a little bit. You got our business for five years that we don't switch brands. 02:19:56
Every year. 02:20:02
And we find a mechanism to allow us to have a multi year contract, which of course that's possible to do. 02:20:03
And that we don't mix and mix the brands too much would be the recommendations to staff that would mostly buy forward, mostly by 02:20:09
Chevys? 02:20:13
But that's the strategy that we can work on. 02:20:18
To consider those kinds of things. 02:20:22
In the meantime, we have 14 vehicles that we've selected. This is fiscal year 25 budget money. 02:20:24
I can't. I'm not going to ask you to give me direction on that. 02:20:31
Because it's a work session. 02:20:35
Looking at Jessica. 02:20:37
But we, we, we will be coming to you with. 02:20:40
With that direction later on, I just wanted to share with you that I think. 02:20:44
I hear Supervisor Humphrey always asked us how do we know that these are competitive? 02:20:49
OK. And we've listened to that. 02:20:55
And we started down the road of Let's go out and. 02:20:58
And we said, wait a minute, we need to get a little bit more direction from the board if we're going to go that route. 02:21:01
And determine. 02:21:07
How much of one brand can we have versus the other? 02:21:10
And what do we do year after next, et cetera, the things that I brought up? 02:21:13
And so any comments on that without direction? 02:21:18
Chairman, member Supervisors, it is OK for the board members to have a discussion about. 02:21:25
Guidance. They're not going to be making an action item today, but being it is a work session. 02:21:32
We are having. 02:21:37
A meeting that's open to the public, it is OK for them to have that discussion. 02:21:38
Thank you. 02:21:42
So I can speak, Jessica. 02:21:44
Yes, thank you. 02:21:47
Homer D When it comes to, let's just say the Sheriff's Office, do they seem to have a preference? 02:21:50
Or voice to preference. David, maybe you're the one to ask this about. 02:21:55
But. 02:22:00
Chairman. Members of the board. 02:22:09
Anytime you talk to a deputy, you're going to get a different opinion, a different thought. 02:22:11
For the most part. 02:22:17
Most of them seem OK with the expeditions we have been buying. 02:22:18
At times when, like when we go out to buy the canine vehicles, they do prefer the Tahoes. 02:22:23
As some of the issues with the the expeditions do not like the long idle times which we don't have the issue. 02:22:29
Tahoe So there is a preference there when it comes to canine units. 02:22:37
Other other than that, they they're pretty, pretty happy with what we have combined them. 02:22:41
So, David, let me ask you this while you're up. 02:22:46
So like your mechanics? 02:22:49
Are they? 02:22:51
Are they pretty well trained on whether it's a Ford or a Chevy or we kind of just continue to lean towards the Ford side? Most of 02:22:53
our training is through Ashley Ford's training program. It's the exact same training that Ford Mechanics received when you work 02:22:58
for dealership. 02:23:03
So most of our training is geared that way. 02:23:08
I mean, if you can change oil, you can change oil anything and then change brakes. You can do brakes and anything, but when you 02:23:12
really start getting into like the. 02:23:15
The more complicated issues it really helps to have one make or one make and as fewer models as you can. 02:23:20
It just, you know, they have more familiarity with the problem. 02:23:27
Associated with those vehicles and. 02:23:31
It just it reduces downtime of our vehicles. So it does help in that aspect quite a bit. 02:23:33
Thank you. 02:23:39
You're welcome. I don't leave yet. 02:23:40
Yeah, I'm the one, OK. I've driven Ford, Dodgers, Chevys. 02:23:45
If I'm overseeing the constituents X. 02:23:50
Funds. 02:23:54
And well spent. 02:23:55
And there's ten $15,000 difference on a vehicle. 02:23:57
If I got to go up to Young tomorrow, I don't care if I'm in the Dodger before it, as long as it gets me from here to there. 02:24:02
And and that's my point of view on these vehicles. 02:24:09
Is because we're stewards of the tax dollars and. 02:24:13
Sure, I would like to eat filet mignon every night. 02:24:17
But you know what? 02:24:20
It's easier to cook, it's easier to go get. But maybe I can't. 02:24:21
Budget that. 02:24:26
And, and so, you know, I, I think we're living in a world where everybody's gotta. 02:24:28
Got a kind of deal with what they can afford. 02:24:33
Not what's easier for them or best. 02:24:36
For them. 02:24:40
They have to do they have to live within their means. 02:24:41
And, and that's kind of where I'm at with these with Fords and, and so when I see a bit, I love this is the first time that I've 02:24:44
ever seen the the. 02:24:49
Comparable bid between a Chevy and a Ford. 02:24:54
If we need 10 three quarter ton vehicles, I'll. 02:24:58
Want to see what Dodge is? 02:25:02
I want to see what Chevy has and I want to see what Ford has. 02:25:04
And justice, because that's good this year. Why should I tell Dodge? OK, you've got the lowest bid. You're gonna have it for the 02:25:08
next 5 years. Uh oh. You're training for Ford. I better send the guys to the Dodge school. 02:25:13
I mean, like you said, if you can change oil, you can change oil on anything. 02:25:19
And and so that's my two cents on these vehicles. I, you know, I think. 02:25:23
I think. 02:25:28
I think putting all your eggs in one basket is not a good thing and I think we need to be good stewards when we shop. 02:25:30
For what we need. 02:25:37
To operate from day-to-day. 02:25:40
And I. 02:25:44
I'm totally for going One Direction. 02:25:46
If that's the most cost efficient direction. 02:25:49
But I'm 100% against it if it's not. 02:25:52
The best cost option? 02:25:56
For what we get from our dollar. 02:25:58
OK, I wait. 02:26:01
Yeah. 02:26:03
So a lot of good points. 02:26:07
So I presume though, that part of your job is to examine. 02:26:11
This idea of maintenance familiarity. 02:26:15
Familiarity with. 02:26:19
Usage from one deputy to another. 02:26:20
As an example. 02:26:23
And also a supply of parts and spare parts, oil filters, air filters. 02:26:25
Tires, the brake linings, all of those things. 02:26:31
That if there was a multitude of brands coming in, you'd have to have a multitude of supplies. 02:26:35
And training to do that. 02:26:42
So have you ever done a cost? 02:26:44
Benefit ratio of having. 02:26:48
Familiarity in one brand. 02:26:51
Versus a multitude of brands. 02:26:55
And compare that to the vehicle costs. Have you ever? 02:26:59
Done that. Not on the park side of it I have OK. 02:27:02
OK. 02:27:06
Yes, Sir, a question. 02:27:08
Inventory parts with you. If you get a vehicle in that needs brakes, do you call Napa and get the brakes or do you just go in your 02:27:10
backroom and grab them? 02:27:14
When it comes to stuff like Bryce, we call town in order what's in town, OK, So most of the parts you get for the vehicle that 02:27:19
you're putting the parts on, you don't have a supply warehouse. 02:27:24
The only thing we keep on hand would be oil filters, air filters, your common maintenance item. 02:27:30
OK. But they you can get those at Napa tomorrow if you need them. 02:27:35
For the most part, yeah. OK, Thank you. 02:27:39
All right. Thank you. Thank you. 02:27:42
Thank you, that was good input. 02:27:48
We have, I think. 02:27:50
We need to make sure we're getting our money's worth. 02:27:55
Every time we go out and acquire something. 02:27:59
OK. 02:28:04
Next slide is. 02:28:07
This is something from last time. 02:28:09
Want to share with you that we have an apprentice. 02:28:11
Working with us. 02:28:14
And in the. 02:28:15
Star Valley Rd. Yard. 02:28:18
In this person is coming along really nicely. 02:28:20
We'll get a CEO and that's going to workout. 02:28:24
We aren't utilizing the apprenticeship program as much as we had in the past because we're almost full. 02:28:27
We would like for the progression from operator to senior operator to take place, but. 02:28:34
Very few of our operators are taking advantage of that. One of them is the limited availability of the LCAP courses. 02:28:39
And I think the team needs to go back and look at the policy and say it doesn't have to be LCAT. 02:28:46
It can be something equivalent to LPAP that requires a test any certification. 02:28:50
On that topic. 02:28:55
And then if they meet those sixteen classes that they were asked to take. 02:28:57
Wherever they get that. 02:29:02
Wherever they get to take that class, whether it's El tap, some other. 02:29:03
Training school. 02:29:07
That they were qualified to move from operator procedure. I'm just trying to find something that says this. These employees 02:29:09
acquired this knowledge one way or another. 02:29:14
We have a certificate to show that they did. 02:29:19
And that we could note that they could move from operator, senior operator. 02:29:21
Under the same conditions that we envisioned before. 02:29:25
X amount of time with the county. 02:29:28
Can operate 2 vehicles. 02:29:30
And by the way, from the work that we did with OSHA, the team. 02:29:32
Got together and. 02:29:36
Created a knowledge test for every piece of equipment. What do you need to know for us to. 02:29:38
To feel that you have a sufficient knowledge to operate this equipment. 02:29:44
And then a skill test as well. 02:29:48
And they've got 2 pieces of paper that will go into the employees file that would that would say. 02:29:50
This person met our requirements to operate a motivator, signed off by the operator, signed off by the supervisor. 02:29:56
And we have that. 02:30:03
Those documents, we're doing that now. 02:30:04
To satisfy some of the OSHA requirements. 02:30:07
And that gets very well into this policy here. 02:30:09
Progression, however, we haven't. We haven't. 02:30:12
Progress. 02:30:16
I think anybody from operator senior operations we implemented the system. 02:30:18
And I'm just looking for us to be able to do that. 02:30:22
And so later on. 02:30:25
The team is going to be bringing to the board some recommendations on how to improve that particular policy. 02:30:27
Questions on that? 02:30:35
Mr. Chair, Homer, I got a question on the CDL part of it. 02:30:38
Is Wayne, are we still working on CDL's in house? 02:30:43
Yeah, OK, cool. 02:30:50
And it's coming along good. 02:30:51
I got. 02:30:54
Two guys testing right now. 02:30:56
Oh, thank you for that. 02:30:58
Anything else? 02:31:03
We're down to the last slide here. 02:31:05
So I it. 02:31:11
Any any other questions or thoughts? 02:31:13
Well, I'll say thank you for the presentation. We've got 26. 02:31:17
Solid pages of information. 02:31:22
That helps a lot to understand where we are. 02:31:25
And the direction we're going. 02:31:29
Appreciate you very much. 02:31:31
Thank you. 02:31:33
I want to some thought I had some thoughts I wanted to share with you before I. 02:31:34
Podium. That's OK. 02:31:39
So I've been with Gila County for seven years. 02:31:43
And I want to thank you for having me as part of your team. 02:31:46
OK, I've enjoyed the challenges. 02:31:52
And the team. 02:31:55
That's here with me today and the team that's in front of me or all around me today. 02:31:56
Allow me to walk away with a sense of fulfillment and accomplishment. 02:32:02
And at the beginning when I decided to retire, there was some regret, but somewhere a couple of weeks ago I got over that for some 02:32:07
reason. 02:32:11
And I'm looking forward to the retirement now. 02:32:16
And you know, I there's a couple of books that I like, you've heard me say planning. 02:32:19
Plants are nothing, Planting is everything. But I've got another one that I read somewhere along the way from the greatest 02:32:24
scientist of all times, Isaac Newton. 02:32:28
Except that if I've done something, it's because I stood on the shoulder of giants. 02:32:32
In other words, you only do things because you have a team. 02:32:36
And support from people. 02:32:39
You don't. You're almost nothing happens by yourself. 02:32:41
OK. And so I've been blessed there be with good people here in Hewitt County. 02:32:44
And so the board actually. 02:32:50
Want to thank you for enabling that to happen. 02:32:53
For your support and your trust that you have of me. 02:32:56
And I walk away thinking that you're the greatest supervisors and. 02:33:00
Any county in state of Arizona? 02:33:04
And to the county manager, James Pantaleo, thank you for. 02:33:08
Your support and your friendship. 02:33:12
I really don't. You and I don't talk about friendship. We. 02:33:14
Business driven all the time, but somewhere in the back is something that says. 02:33:18
We like to work together. 02:33:24
And I want to thank you for that. 02:33:25
And all the other organizations. I see so many faces here. 02:33:28
County Attorney Finance. 02:33:32
GIS. 02:33:36
It's just a big group of folks that I get surrounded by the PR department. 02:33:38
That have allowed me to do the things that I need to do. 02:33:44
While getting the support of these various organizations. 02:33:47
And of course. 02:33:51
That public works team. 02:33:52
I leave behind. 02:33:55
Folks that can do that can do attitude. 02:33:56
That have accomplished a great many number of things. 02:34:00
And have many molecular accomplishment. 02:34:05
Actually there's there's been some great things that have happened. 02:34:08
In the last seven years. 02:34:10
I can't even take credit for some of them. The bridge got started long ago. 02:34:12
As a for instance, but I got to see the bridge reach its conclusion. 02:34:16
And there's just been a lot of things that. 02:34:20
Public Works is done and is doing. 02:34:22
That weren't being done in years past and. 02:34:25
And it's because of you. 02:34:29
Whatever we've done. 02:34:31
Because of the folks that are in this state in this room, I see Aaron Carter go back there joining us now. 02:34:33
Thank you, Aaron. 02:34:38
Hope that the adequate audit went OK. 02:34:40
Perfect. So anyway, just. 02:34:43
I don't know what went off for my. Thanks. 02:34:47
And my respect and my friendship. 02:34:49
Everybody here. 02:34:54
All right, And I will be enjoying my retirement. I. 02:34:55
Actually enjoys whatever I do. Still be honest with you. I'm retired or I'm working or if I live in Omaha or Venezuela or Phoenix 02:35:00
or. 02:35:04
Work for Gila County. I find a way to enjoy what I do. 02:35:09
And I've always done that and. 02:35:13
Whether in retirement I'm going to do the same thing, why wouldn't I do that right? 02:35:16
So again, thank you very much. 02:35:22
Homer, thank you. 02:35:24
We need to have a photograph with Homero. 02:35:37
So let's do that now. 02:35:39
EBay that wants to be in it. Come on, Mr. Chairman, could we have a picture with Cassandra? Are we going to try and get an image 02:35:42
back of Payson? 02:35:46
And. 02:35:53
James has a few words. Go ahead, James. 02:35:55
And Michelle and I want to express appreciation to. 02:35:58
First of all, Public Works team, I know that you guys all want to be out in the field and that you love what you're doing and to 02:36:01
be here has been. 02:36:05
Sacrifice for you, so I appreciate that. 02:36:09
Homer, if I have had a number of conversations over the past. 02:36:12
A couple months. 02:36:17
As he's prepared for this change in his life. 02:36:18
He's expressed repeatedly the confidence he has in each of you as public works team. 02:36:21
That you each love your jobs, that you are competent and able to do the things that you. 02:36:27
Have signed up to do. 02:36:33
And I appreciate that recognition from Homer because I. 02:36:35
I respect Homer. 02:36:39
To the ultimate. 02:36:40
And his high opinion of you? 02:36:42
Means is very meaningful to me. 02:36:45
I've worked with Homer and considered him a friend for close to 20 years. 02:36:48
But we have been able to work together. 02:36:53
And it's been a great partnership. I know that Homer talks about his time in Venezuela. 02:36:56
And he worked for AT&T, that he was. 02:37:03
Sent down to Venezuela, to a factory that was losing money but not efficient, was not able to do the things that AT&T needed them 02:37:05
to do. 02:37:10
And they sent Homer down there to fix. 02:37:15
That factory. 02:37:18
They said, oh, by the way, you not only have. 02:37:20
Not the money that you have been receiving down there. We're going to cut your budget. 02:37:24
Take money away from you. 02:37:28
And still, that's your job to go make it work. 02:37:30
Homer approaches that, and everything he does is that he finds a way to make it work. He's. 02:37:34
A master of looking for efficiencies and mastering of being able to. 02:37:39
Find ways to do things. 02:37:43
To make them work. 02:37:45
And I am grateful that he is. 02:37:46
Demonstrated that and worked with us here at Gila County. 02:37:49
To be able to. 02:37:52
Find ways to make things work. 02:37:54
Though I will admit, Homer, in your presentation today, I'm sitting here with an empty pit in my stomach. 02:37:56
Of wondering how. 02:38:02
We can get this done. 02:38:03
Because the roads are. 02:38:05
Is the biggest. 02:38:07
I would say one of the biggest things, if not the biggest thing. 02:38:09
That our residents are constituents of our board. 02:38:12
That they are concerned about. 02:38:15
Safety of being able to travel from here to there from. 02:38:18
From grandma's house to home and those kinds of things. 02:38:21
You and the public works team have been. 02:38:26
Worked at and done a tremendous job. 02:38:29
And making that work for us. 02:38:32
I don't know how. 02:38:34
With the revenue numbers and at the state legislature, the federal government. 02:38:36
Their opinions? Our funding is just absolutely fine. 02:38:41
We do not need another pin. 02:38:45
And as I've gone to meetings over the last couple of years, that's repeatedly been told that we our funding is fine. 02:38:47
It is not. 02:38:53
And we need to continue to work with our legislators and those that. 02:38:55
The opportunities to find. 02:39:00
Additional resources for. 02:39:01
But Homer, thank you. 02:39:03
I appreciate you. 02:39:05
I will miss you tremendously and. 02:39:06
Your mentoring of me. 02:39:09
And your guidance and direction and justice, the ability to. 02:39:11
Sit down and philosophize. 02:39:15
How do we do the jobs that we're? 02:39:17
And have been. 02:39:21
Sent to do has been immeasurably good and beneficial to me. 02:39:23
And I thank you for all that you do. 02:39:29
And for our friendship and. 02:39:31
Relationship we've had for nearly 20 years. 02:39:34
Thank you. 02:39:38
Thank you, James. 02:39:40
And uh. 02:39:41
Omar, you've lived a full life. 02:39:43
You've really worked hard for Gila County. That's really obvious. You've contributed a great deal. 02:39:45
Go have some fun. 02:39:51
You will be missed and it'll be hard to. 02:39:53
But we're going to try and carry on. 02:39:58
So you have fun and keep in contact. 02:40:01
Anything else before we move to our next item? 02:40:06
Oh yes, you know, to me. 02:40:09
When I had my construction company, I had a team on the, on the, on the, on the board where all our jobs were. 02:40:12
Together everybody achieve more. 02:40:18
And when you run for supervisor, you're not sure what you're getting into. 02:40:21
But when I first became a supervisor. 02:40:25
It seemed as if in a lot of places the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. 02:40:28
When you got 600 employees and all the different departments. 02:40:34
It seemed kind of. 02:40:38
Different to me. 02:40:40
Until Homero came. 02:40:42
To heal count. 02:40:44
And Omero, to me, you, you put you brought team to heal county. 02:40:46
You refer to your team. 02:40:52
You talk about your team. 02:40:54
But in my opinion, as a supervisor for the last eight years. 02:40:56
You're what Brought team. 02:41:00
He'll account to get us all trying to work on the same page and work together. 02:41:02
So you're retiring, but a part of you know it's going to be here because we're going to try to keep these teams together as tight 02:41:08
as we can. 02:41:11
And you also left your phone number. 02:41:15
And I can't believe you will ever fully retire. 02:41:18
If we have an ordinance or something that we need to work on. 02:41:22
But it's been a great privilege, too. 02:41:27
Work with you. 02:41:30
The uh. 02:41:37
You know, we hear it often. 02:41:39
You know, we've accomplished this. We've accomplished that. We've done whatever. 02:41:42
And when they say that they're looking at US 3, but they need to turn and look at everybody that's in the state. 02:41:47
It's it's, it's not us. It's, it's everybody that we have working for us and and that that. 02:41:52
Drives these projects. Drives these accomplishments. 02:41:59
We're just here to work for you to try and get things done and be as. 02:42:02
The most efficient that we can and and Homer you've been just a. 02:42:06
Terrific player that. I mean, you've done awesome and you have a huge department that you've done very well on. 02:42:10
You can look at the team members here that you've got here today and. 02:42:18
And everybody and, and where you've, you've came to and, and I want to say I really appreciate that because. 02:42:22
It is on us three to set up here and accomplish things. It's you guys down there. 02:42:30
That are the ones that accomplishes everything. 02:42:36
And Homer, like said, we will miss you, there's no doubt. 02:42:39
And maybe we'll drag that position out for a while and see where you really end up at. 02:42:42
And. 02:42:48
So if you get bored, don't hesitate. Just give James a call and. 02:42:49
See where we're at? 02:42:53
Thank you for everything, Homer. 02:42:55
OK. 02:43:03
Call to the public item number 3. Is there anyone in Globe, Payson or on the Internet? 02:43:05
To speak to the supervisors. 02:43:11
Note item number 4 is our reports. 02:43:15
Manager Menlove. 02:43:20
Just that there's refreshments, everybody. 02:43:21
Please stick around and have some refreshments and. 02:43:23
Congratulate home. We're on his retirement. Thank you. 02:43:27
Supervisor Humphrey. 02:43:30
Yeah, I met with our lobbyists to discuss legislation on unarmed and blighted properties trying to get. 02:43:32
Something going for the Legislature, perhaps? 02:43:39
In this coming year. 02:43:43
I met with the county manager and head of facilities and and. 02:43:45
County Buildings and Mr. O Driscoll. 02:43:50
On talking about, you know, some of the county projects that were. 02:43:53
We're faced with and and just to help me. 02:43:57
Get more in tune with what's going on. 02:44:01
Met with the Ida members and the County manager to discuss the Idas vision and plans. 02:44:04
See if they can't get something together. 02:44:11
Try to bring before the board and see if we can't. 02:44:14
Help them get in a direction. 02:44:17
Hopefully that was a good meeting and we get some results out of that. 02:44:20
And then I'll hold a project team meeting. 02:44:25
On Wednesday with Public Works. 02:44:29
And that's about all I have, Mr. Chair, I think your supervisor. Supervisor. 02:44:32
Earlier day we had a coalition of counties meeting here. 02:44:39
In Globe. 02:44:42
I'm the chair on it right now, but there'll be another lady taking over in July and she's from New Mexico, so. 02:44:44
That was all said, a lot of good discussion in that and. 02:44:50
That's about it. 02:44:54
Thank you. All right, thank you. 02:44:56
I'm only going to mention one thing and that is tomorrow. 02:44:58
The northern Gila County will We're hosting the. 02:45:01
Pre fire season meeting. 02:45:06
And I think we're going to be hoping for a light fire season. 02:45:08
But. 02:45:14
We're not sure. 02:45:16
If the weather keeps going as dry and hot as it is. 02:45:18
We might be facing some challenges, but we have made great progress with our water. 02:45:22
Tanks and all of that. So we have some good reporting there we're probably going to have around. 02:45:28
60 people there or so right in that vicinity so. 02:45:33
It's always encouraging to have that. 02:45:38
And that's all I have. So if there is nothing else then we are adjourned. 02:45:40
Refreshments. 02:45:45
Thank you. I don't understand. 02:46:06
Know. Thank you. 02:46:16
Them and they get together. 02:46:59
Are you bionic? So if you hear ankle parents, grocery gap. 02:47:37
All of this. 02:48:16
Now they've got a younger. 02:48:58
So much. 02:49:14
We can do that. 02:49:34
Yeah, no, I mean, it's like. 02:49:39
It won't be an issue again because. 02:49:49
Thank you. 02:49:57
Yeah. 02:50:11
I just want to say hi. I don't think we're going to get. 02:50:20
Which is sort of an original thing to say. 02:51:33
Sorry. 02:52:01
We're good, we're good. 02:52:03
But no problem. 02:52:06
You know. 02:52:47
You guys are. 02:53:30
Went kayaking out on the. 02:55:04
Yeah. 02:55:46
And then we'll come up with a target. 02:56:45
Which is really. 02:58:03
I just want to stop it. I appreciate that. 02:58:47
Nobody. 02:59:24
I have it all, yeah. 03:04:21
I figured. 03:05:17
Hey, Cortana. 03:05:35
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Oscar. 03:15:21
Are there really good? 03:15:25
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A lot of my paper there is Maybe I didn't show up because we haven't had that. 03:16:05
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I don't know the letter. 03:16:32
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Increasing cloudiness around 62 for Wednesday. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 82. 03:39:54
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Mostly cloudy. 03:40:07
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I missed you today in the penalty. 04:25:46
I came in. 04:25:49
When I left for a minute. 04:25:53
Yeah, minute right for you timing me, Michael. So Melissa, Melissa asked me. 04:25:54
Saw your stuff in person and she goes. 04:26:03
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For a while, yeah. And so, yeah, I was like, yeah, I gotta go run in here, yeah. 04:26:13
Along Hey, good, how are you good design. 04:26:20
Right, they are not. We need the reclining that like at Costco, you go. They like their massage chairs. 04:26:26
Like 538? Those would be awesome. Yes. 04:26:34
We can go ahead and start. There we go. 04:26:40
OK, Merritt and Olivia are here on the phone too. 04:26:43
Did you want to say something? 04:26:49
We'll go ahead and get started then if we're ready. 04:26:53
You're speaking Kilo. 04:26:59
Sounds like Marion. 04:27:01
OK, yes, this is Merritt, Olivia. 04:27:04
Hi, Olivia. 04:27:07
Do you girls want to get it started with the agenda item 2 The presentation? 04:27:10
Sir, this is just a regular uh. 04:27:17
Monthly presentation of. 04:27:20
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Testing, testing. 00:00:01
Good morning, everyone. 00:00:04
Good morning. 00:00:06
10:00 It is so Tuesday March 25th, 2025 I'd like to call. 00:00:07
This work session to order. 00:00:12
I would like Wayne Jones. Could you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? 00:00:17
Of the United States of America. 00:00:28
And. 00:00:30
Thank you. Okay, so today we're a little relaxed. 00:00:39
Work session and so we're going to have some discussions. 00:00:48
We have two items on the agenda. Item 2A is a presentation. 00:00:51
Regarding the activities of the Cobra Valley Youth Club. 00:00:56
Which serves the globe. 00:00:59
Area Miami, Miami and San Carlos. 00:01:01
And representing that group is. 00:01:06
The former vice mayor of Globe, Carmen Casilla. 00:01:09
Please come up. 00:01:15
Thank you, Yes, thank you so very, very much. I'd like to people I've got, I'd like to thank chairman and supervisors for having 00:01:16
me here this morning, giving me the opportunity to speak about my passion, which is about the youth of our community and where 00:01:23
we're going with the club and and the assistance that we need for these kiddos that are coming out. 00:01:30
Thank you, darling. 00:01:38
And so our. 00:01:40
Our little motto is that we're empowering, inspiring and engaging our next generation, and that's our goal. But and if I may 00:01:42
approach, I just like I fully words. 00:01:49
All right, these pictures have worked worth 1000. 00:01:55
OK. 00:01:59
And as you can see. 00:02:02
In the past it just used to be a drop off for kiddos and an opportunity for for parents to just be able to drop them off and and 00:02:05
have a safe place for them when they go to work. 00:02:10
We have morphed into a lot. 00:02:15
And that's why I'm here before you today. Again, I'd like to thank everyone and not just the supervisors, but I have to thank your 00:02:18
staff. 00:02:22
And, and everyone here in the past, you know, in the past years. 00:02:27
I've been able to make phone calls and get the assistance that we need. And so I just, I'm overwhelmed. 00:02:32
With with the county and what they're doing. So before that, as you can see, I'm really trying to. 00:02:39
Technology is not my thing. That's why we want kiddo. So I want to introduce our team. I think that's very important to know. 00:02:47
Who's also behind? 00:02:56
The scenes. So I am the president, Fernando Shipley as secretary, Brian Romney is our treasurer, Brian Romney is the Comptroller 00:02:59
for the Cobra Valley Hospital. So we've been very. 00:03:05
Blessed to have him with us. We also have Liz and Russ Betterman who in the beginning originally were the originally. 00:03:13
Started this club back many years ago and they jumped on board Regina Ortega. I'm sure everyone knows Regina. 00:03:22
And Doctor Richard Ramos, who is the Superintendent of the Miami school, and Alexis Rivera. So we have a very strong board. We're 00:03:30
very excited. 00:03:35
And our employees are risking Annabelle, who they are, the backbone who keeps. 00:03:40
Everything in place, I can't say their last name and they've been with me for years, so I apologize for that. 00:03:46
Our mission if and I should have. 00:03:54
Send it out but if I can. 00:03:56
Because our mission is because opens the world of possibilities to local youth by connecting, transforming, and elevating them to 00:03:58
realize their full potential. 00:04:04
And to become positive and oriented to doctor citizens because that's what we need. We're not going to be here. 00:04:09
To be realistic, we're not going to be here, so we need to bring up the next generation. 00:04:17
And. 00:04:23
To have them in a positive way. 00:04:24
So we connect, we, we work with many local groups. We, I'm just, I'm not going to read it. 00:04:26
All but just let me share. We transform many of our kids doesn't show we had a code that we're careful with this very introverted. 00:04:33
Ma'am. 00:04:42
I can get in front SO through AC workforce who we use. 00:04:45
Every year they're awesome. 00:04:53
But anyway, very introverted. 00:04:55
And worked with us and now she is working with IT and Homeland Security. 00:04:58
So we do a lot of things, as you can see in our book we've had. 00:05:03
We teach him Apache, we teach him Japanese. They've had culinary. We do self development, we do self-awareness. The. 00:05:09
Is the when we say self-awareness, it's self-defense, but I don't like to use that word. 00:05:19
Defense. And so we do a lot of things with them. We're going to be doing swimming lessons this summer. 00:05:25
We try to give them what they need in the beginning first aid classes. 00:05:32
Seems that they'll be able to carry on with them through the rest of their life and be able to use in whatever capacity and 00:05:37
whatever role they're going to be in giving them that opportunity to get a taste of different things and and getting them out of 00:05:42
that. 00:05:48
The box of gold where a lot of us seem to. 00:05:53
To have this day. 00:05:56
Which is a good thing too, but they need to experience other things. 00:05:58
And moving forward so I'm here today before you to. 00:06:02
It to ask for help, which has been in the past. We have a lot of things going on. 00:06:08
Umm, as you can see with many of our. 00:06:15
Programs. Umm. 00:06:18
We are going we're. 00:06:20
The library works with us. We're going to be doing public speaking which I should take a class sign language. 00:06:22
Our biggest thing this summer that we're going to be doing is we're going to be creating a. 00:06:28
Music program working with Councilman Mariana Gonzalez. 00:06:33
And so we're going to be able to try and get instruments from the Tempeh High School to bring in because our bands here locally 00:06:38
there. 00:06:43
They used to be huge bands and now they're. 00:06:47
We're lucky if we see 2025 kiddos in that, so in the summer if they become a part of this club, they're going to be able to. 00:06:51
To. 00:06:59
Am I doing that? Sorry. Thank you. 00:07:00
They're going to be able to learn something to get. 00:07:04
You know to to learn an instrument and, and many of us know that music heals right. We deal with many individuals that come from 00:07:09
sexually abused families. 00:07:14
I'm from domestic violence families from. 00:07:21
From kids that have been bullied, that have had traumatic brain injuries, and yes, they're in the schools, I'm aware of that. 00:07:25
But when they come to us, they come to us at one-on-one and we're able to work with them on that one-on-one basis and work with 00:07:33
the family to get them moving forward. And as I said, we worked with Arizona workforce who is just amazing. 00:07:40
I access everything that I can for these kids. 00:07:49
And I. 00:07:53
Today I wear red. 00:07:55
To remember Emily Pike. 00:07:58
And Emily Pike was one of our kiddos here in our communities. 00:08:00
And that was unfortunate. 00:08:04
But we have many kids that want to run away, many kids that are on drugs, many kids that talk about suicide. 00:08:05
And I believe I have faith. I've seen it. 00:08:14
That our club is a safe place where these kids can come and make changes in their lives and know that yes, they can come from a 00:08:18
broken home and they and they can come from wherever, but that it is their choice to make a difference to become successful in 00:08:24
their lives. 00:08:30
And I have been with this club since inception and I believe Supervisor Humphrey knows that and I don't let it go. 00:08:36
And it's because. 00:08:46
There are the kids out there that need us. 00:08:48
Emily was when it slipped through the through the cracks. 00:08:51
I don't want to see any other kids slip through the cracks without being able to get the help that they need or the families to 00:08:55
get the help that they need. 00:08:58
Also worked with Jim Gonzalez. 00:09:03
Homeless Coalition, he's amazing. 00:09:05
He was working with the family. She had three kiddos. They were out on the streets. He gives me a call. Hey, we have 3 kids, can 00:09:08
they go to the club? Absolutely. Those kids have a safe place to come. They were able to eat. They were they had been living in 00:09:13
their car, but we worked with hay the house. 00:09:19
To eventually get them into one of those homes. 00:09:25
So this is just not a place where the kids come and are dropped off anymore. 00:09:29
A lot of them learn to run. Many of our kiddos don't know to run. 00:09:34
It's interesting. Yes, our athletes are out there and everything, but a lot of our kiddos are just. 00:09:38
In home with their computers because parents work two or three jobs and it's difficult for them to do that. So when they come to 00:09:43
us. 00:09:47
We engage in a lot of things. 00:09:51
So I'm just here. 00:09:54
To again. 00:09:58
Ask for the help from the supervisors to continue this program to invest in our kids. As I said before, we're not going to be 00:10:00
here. 00:10:04
We are not going to be here and we need these kids to be able to carry on your legacies, whatever you're going to leave or 00:10:08
whatever projects you have in place. 00:10:13
And to be able to to have that knowledge and that understanding and that community service that I know that all of you have. 00:10:18
Have put into to this county and I truly appreciate it, not just on the club's part but. 00:10:27
I do other things in the community and I know that the. 00:10:35
Supervisors are extremely involved in many projects. 00:10:38
I'm working on making our community better. 00:10:42
And uh. 00:10:45
Personally, I I. 00:10:47
Just thank you again. 00:10:49
But umm. 00:10:51
Do you have any questions? I can go on and on. So I better quit while I'm ahead. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for the presentation. 00:10:52
You're very passionate about it. And so, yeah, we might have some questions or comments. So Supervisor Humphrey? 00:10:59
Yeah, Carmen, I don't have any questions because I stay pretty close with the information with the Boys and Girls Club, the Local 00:11:05
1. 00:11:09
Because I was on the board before I came a supervisor and I got off because I felt it was a conflict. But. 00:11:13
I think it's a great program because I can remember when it used to be part of the National Boys and Girls Club. 00:11:20
But our strong community and the donations was going spread out nationally instead of just for our club. 00:11:26
And I remember when we reached out to be our own club and I thank you and Fernando and everybody that. 00:11:33
That push that kind of like the college because. 00:11:40
Our strong community. 00:11:42
We're able to be stronger for the kids and you can create your own curriculum. 00:11:44
Depending on what the community needs. Depending on what the kids need. 00:11:48
And so, yeah, I think it's a. 00:11:52
It's great that it's kept going this way and has grown and the donations. 00:11:56
That come to that club, stay here. 00:12:02
And I think that's extremely important as well. So I thank you very much for all that you and the board does. 00:12:05
I'm glad I sat on the board and. 00:12:13
As far as I'm concerned. 00:12:16
Any grant information that we get from the club? 00:12:19
I'll work on helping the club any way I can. Thank you and thank you for your service to the club. That's a lot when we were 00:12:23
struggling to. 00:12:28
To make those changes, because you're absolutely right, those donations were going out of town and they needed to stay here. It's 00:12:33
like we fought for our college and you know. 00:12:38
We have a strong community and it's great that we're working to keep. 00:12:43
What we have and what we can build here, yeah. Thank you. 00:12:48
Uh, supervisor client. 00:12:52
Carmen, thank you for everything and I echo everything. 00:12:54
Tim said to one of the things that. 00:12:58
And I'm sure you guys. 00:13:01
Work on this or whatever but. 00:13:03
You know anymore every day you see cases like Emily Pikes. 00:13:05
And where maybe the parents? 00:13:11
Maybe they're just not paying attention to their kids. 00:13:14
Maybe the kids are a handful to hang on to, Whatever. But they wander off and precinct, they're gone. 00:13:17
It's it's really kind of a. 00:13:23
Tough time that we're in right now with a lot of this. So do you guys provide any kind of training, whether it's to the kids or 00:13:25
parents? 00:13:30
How you know to? 00:13:34
Be aware. 00:13:36
Keep track of these little guys. 00:13:38
Yes, we do one one of the things that we do is we we provide self-awareness or self-defense because we want. 00:13:40
The kids to just be able to get away right And we had a situation where. 00:13:50
A woman approached one of our kids. 00:13:56
And so he knew this. 00:13:58
To speak out loud, I don't know. You stay away and so. 00:14:01
The staff was immediately engaged and was able to to make sure that the other kiddos are safe. Yes. And we worked with the Police 00:14:06
Department, the City of Gulf Police Department. They're going to be doing some training for us also. So we look at all of that 00:14:12
because our priority is the safety for our kids. 00:14:19
And so I engage anybody or anything that I can to make sure that that happens and also for the safety of our employees, because 00:14:25
we're very fortunate to have the employees and the staff that we do. 00:14:32
Well, you got a good team put together and I as well. I'm. 00:14:39
You know, I, I, I think I can speak on behalf of Gila County, but we're all about kids. If you look at our track record or the 00:14:44
last eight years, we've supported. 00:14:49
Everywhere where we could so. 00:14:55
But thank you for everything you're doing and please pass that along to the rest of them and. 00:14:57
And really look forward to working with you in the. 00:15:02
Future here. 00:15:04
Thank you. And and just of what you said, if I can just again say a thank you. 00:15:06
I know the unfortunate death of the three little children out in Roosevelt. 00:15:11
I know that I was able to call Kathy and. 00:15:18
Umm, Stacy and. 00:15:22
You know, say, hey, you know what? Our officers need this out there. We're looking for food. We're looking for donations. This is 00:15:24
what we need. 00:15:28
It didn't. We met him at Fry's, right? 00:15:32
And on behalf of the supervisors, loaded up I don't know how many pellets of water. 00:15:36
To be able to give to the volunteers out there and to be able to help who was ever out there. So I always think it's important for 00:15:42
a woman to recognize what other people do. I know we look at. 00:15:48
You hear right sitting and what you're doing, but it's always the behind the scenes work that really, really matters in our 00:15:54
communities. 00:15:59
And I think I called Kathy two or three times and she rallied and and got everything together on behalf of the supervisor. So 00:16:03
again, I. 00:16:09
I work a lot behind the scenes tonight. I see what all of you do and for our community, for the elderly, for our kids. 00:16:16
And thank you as we're moving forward and we're being progressive and also if there's anything that I can ever do. 00:16:24
Please don't hesitate to. 00:16:32
To contact me, but again, thank you on behalf of myself, the Corporate Valley Youth Club and the community that I work in because 00:16:34
I know how. 00:16:38
What how you work behind the scenes? 00:16:42
So I appreciate it. 00:16:45
Thank you SO. 00:16:47
Can I ask just a couple? Don't forget this by the way, I got this for you the. 00:16:49
You have a 501C3, so your nonprofit and. 00:16:56
You rely on donations. 00:17:00
Correct. 00:17:01
So you're always looking for more funding? 00:17:05
Correct. And do you have like shortfalls in that regard or? 00:17:07
Stability there or you know where where are you guys financially? I know you can probably always use more. 00:17:13
Absolutely. 00:17:19
And what is not? What are the needs not being met because of financing? 00:17:20
Let me just really quickly just respond to your. 00:17:27
Your question. 00:17:31
Just recently and I'm very transparent about what we do. 00:17:33
Recently we just we got our IRS status back. 00:17:39
The last couple of administrations. 00:17:44
Prior to us. 00:17:47
Of course, with COVID and with a lot of other things. 00:17:50
Nine 90s and paperwork were not submitted to IRS. 00:17:54
When we took over. 00:17:58
The minute you know, we started doing our stuff. So a red flag, right? And so. 00:18:00
Umm, this. So sure enough, so we got Dean. 00:18:06
We immediately went to United Fund because we're very transparent. 00:18:09
Listen, this is what's going on. 00:18:13
And, umm. 00:18:15
And so we we were on. 00:18:17
Hold for the IRS until we got the paperwork in place and that's why it says so. 00:18:20
Kudos to Brian Romney. 00:18:27
He on his own time, his volunteer time. 00:18:29
Brought us back to where we do have our status now and we just got it, so we're excited. Now I can move forward and do the things 00:18:33
you want to do. One of the main things is the playground. 00:18:40
We have. 00:18:47
There was damage done. 00:18:48
And so we need playground, we need this side or the chips. 00:18:50
I think that that going of course they have to be city regulated and so I believe when we did a a. 00:18:56
Evaluation or had quotes done it was going to cost us probably about close to 60,000. 00:19:04
So so this is one of our big. 00:19:09
Our big needs, you know we. 00:19:12
Love Evan, the health department. I think he gets tired of me calling also. But we need sinks. We need to upgrade to scenes 3 00:19:16
sinks in in the club. 00:19:21
We need repairs done, so there's a lot of things. 00:19:27
That need to be done to make our place is safe, but it's just all those other things that come into play that you never think 00:19:32
about. 00:19:36
And it's like, Oh my gosh, here we are. What are we going to do? And so. 00:19:41
But the playground is one of our biggest, biggest needs. 00:19:46
OK, very good. Well. 00:19:50
I don't know if there's anything else but. 00:19:53
I really appreciate the presentation that makes me more aware of what you guys do. 00:19:56
And. 00:20:01
Some ideas about how we might be able to help SO? 00:20:03
Thank you very, very much again for your time and for listening to me and because I can rattle on, I'm extremely passionate about 00:20:06
this and. 00:20:10
So is our our team. So thank you so very much. 00:20:15
And we're we're near and dear to our. 00:20:20
Audits as well. 00:20:25
Because at one time the county was behind in their audits and so we're up so. 00:20:27
Any any of any of the help that we'll be able to give you is through a grant form. 00:20:31
And so get with us and get a grant application if you haven't done that before or in a while. 00:20:36
Get with us with a grant. 00:20:42
Application. 00:20:44
And I'll help you get it through to present it and because everything we do has to be. 00:20:46
In a grant form for for our state audits. 00:20:51
Thank you. So you will see me this afternoon. OK. Thank you so, so very much. 00:20:56
Thank you. 00:21:03
Yeah. Thank you for all you do. Thank you. Thank you, Carmen. 00:21:05
It's seeing you. 00:21:08
OK, let's move on to 2B. 00:21:13
And information discussion regarding the Public Works Department. 00:21:17
Revenues, expenditures, projects, Rd. equipment, Rd. maintenance and road policies. 00:21:21
And probably even a little more than that. Good morning, Romero, and welcome. 00:21:27
What might likely be your very last Board of Supervisors meeting? 00:21:33
Thank you very much. 00:21:37
Yeah, Chairman, we're going to, we're going to miss you. 00:21:38
And Supervisor Humphrey and supervisor client. 00:21:44
I'm very happy to be here. 00:21:48
And once more. 00:21:50
If you do a work session, I think I told you last time, I enjoyed this work sessions almost as much as you do, maybe more. 00:21:51
It gives me an opportunity to look at things. 00:21:58
Sometimes from up, from from up high and yet go in and have the time to digest some of the data to try to understand. 00:22:01
Where we're at and where we're headed. 00:22:08
And that, for me, is a pleasant thing to do. 00:22:10
And I enjoy doing that. 00:22:14
I'm glad to report that at the last work session that I was here, we talked about a right of way ordinance. 00:22:15
And we with your input. 00:22:23
Drafted a rough version. 00:22:26
And shared it with Jessica and she is looking at her from a legal standpoint with the consultants. 00:22:30
And the point. 00:22:36
Is that we did take action based on the input that you gave us. 00:22:38
And the same thing applies here. 00:22:42
We're this is not going to be as focused as the right of way ordinance. It's going to cover many topics. 00:22:45
And I may leave. 00:22:51
With you more questions than answers. 00:22:53
And if you were to ask me if it was good or bad, I think that that would be a good thing. 00:22:56
OK to provoke the questions of. 00:23:00
Why are we doing this and can we do better? 00:23:03
And that this is an attempt to do that. 00:23:06
OK, I've got some slides that kind of like pause for a moment and ask for comments. 00:23:09
Because otherwise I just run away with slide after slide after slide and I wanted to just. 00:23:14
Stop at a certain point and ask for. Is there any information that? 00:23:19
You want to know more about? 00:23:23
And so. 00:23:25
With that, I'd like to move on to the next slide. 00:23:28
And. 00:23:30
And so these are the topics we're going to cover and I'm not going to go over them because we're going to cover them. 00:23:35
But in two general categories, 1 is kind of like a financial kind of thing. 00:23:41
The other one is like a policy. 00:23:45
Policy topics that we're going to cover. 00:23:47
Some of them will be brand new to you, others you've heard about because I've been here talking about public works. 00:23:49
Work sessions and the state of public works. 00:23:55
In 2019. 00:23:57
Got some type of PowerPoint with me. 00:23:59
In 2021. 00:24:02
23 and 24. 00:24:04
And actually, some of these slides you're going to see are similar to before, but I'm sharing them because they're worth sharing 00:24:06
and bringing that update to you. 00:24:10
But before I get much further, I just wanted to introduce the team that helped me put these slides together and that has enabled 00:24:14
me and supported me on the seven years that I've been here at public work. 00:24:19
So I'll start right here with Steve Williams or one of our project managers. 00:24:24
And we have Wayne Jones and. 00:24:27
McDaniels, there are. 00:24:32
Road Yard. 00:24:34
Then we have Scott Warren, our county surveyor, and Tom Coleman. He tried to get away from public works by renaming himself 00:24:36
director of BIS. That didn't work. 00:24:41
OK. 00:24:46
And Shannon Boyer, who is our admin. 00:24:47
Has this been executive assistance and many other different hats as you work? 00:24:51
We have. 00:24:56
Uh, Pelham Goodman, our county engineer. 00:24:58
And Kerry Cottrell, our fiscal manager. 00:25:01
When we voice another one of our project managers. 00:25:04
Alex Kendrick. 00:25:09
Our senior county engineer and Jeff, the Spain who just joined us, I think he was here last time. 00:25:10
Our new foreplay administrator. He comes from. 00:25:17
Many different engineering. 00:25:20
Firms including What What for a long time for Kimberly Horn. 00:25:23
And then I have day before she's there in the bath. Yes, our General Services managers, they're here. 00:25:27
And so answering your questions should be fairly easy, OK? 00:25:32
The last speaker if you can enjoy a moment of humor. 00:25:36
Carmen the ex mayor talked about. 00:25:41
Stopping while she's ahead. 00:25:44
I may not have that much with them. OK, so let's get started and move on to the next slide. 00:25:46
This should be a familiar chart. I think this has been on every presentation that have come to the board and yet for me it's a 00:25:56
mandatory chart. And the reason why it's mandatory is because. 00:26:00
Looking at past revenues. 00:26:05
For the Big Three. 00:26:08
Vehicle license tax. 00:26:09
And exercise tax. 00:26:12
He is a way to predict the future. 00:26:13
And if you were to rely strictly on these three. 00:26:16
Sources of revenues. 00:26:20
Then this paints a picture that says. 00:26:22
We finally are doing better than 2006. 00:26:26
But not by much. 00:26:30
And the herf revenues are generated by the 18 cents taxes on a gallon of gas. 00:26:32
That hasn't changed since 1991. 00:26:39
And the scheme of counties in Gila County were #4. 00:26:42
The only other counties that get less money than we do is Safer Graham and Cochise. 00:26:46
OK. A comparable county in terms of number of miles and land mass would be like Navajo County. 00:26:51
They've got the same 750 miles everybody, more or less. 00:26:59
And they have about the same workforce that we do. 00:27:03
They, however, get 11 and a half million dollars of her money, whereas we get five and a half million. 00:27:08
And the reason for that is because they're double the population. 00:27:14
And with I-40 going across our county, they probably sell more gas than we do. 00:27:18
Miles have very little to do with the money generated from the herb tax. 00:27:22
Some, but it's not. It doesn't compare to the other two components of that formula. 00:27:27
So I just wanted to share that we we have a little over $9 million. 00:27:32
In 2024 and we expect that trend to continue in 2025. 00:27:37
And so that is that is helpful. It's better for it to go up than go down. 00:27:43
And that's, that's the, uh. 00:27:47
Before I leave the church though, there's no what the percent that it goes up about 8% is. 00:27:50
Is it doesn't it pales in comparison to the total inflation during that same period of about 56%. And so yes, we get a little bit 00:27:57
more money this year than last. 00:28:02
But in terms of real dollars compared to 2006, we don't have that kind of. 00:28:08
We don't have that advantage. 00:28:14
OK. So stopping if you have questions anywhere, I'm just going to say as much as I think I need to on each slide to think that 00:28:17
particular picture that I wanted to share with you. 00:28:22
This one is a new chart. 00:28:27
And I'm looking for. 00:28:30
Supervisor client asked me how many miles can we maintain and unfortunately I don't have a good answer for you. 00:28:32
But I'm going to try to show you that we are, we are stretching the dollar already. 00:28:38
OK. And so I wanted to look at the road yards and see how many miles they are responsible for maintaining. 00:28:44
The type of area that they have. 00:28:52
And I ended up with a statistic at the bottom that says in general in. 00:28:55
Gila County Public Works. 00:29:01
Operators, uh. 00:29:03
There's 32 operators. 00:29:05
Maintain 24 miles per person. 00:29:08
In Gila County. 00:29:12
And so at least. 00:29:14
32 operators. They are the core existence of public works. The rest of us basically support them. Yes, we do some engineering 00:29:15
projects and the bridge is an example of that. 00:29:19
But our existence and our core driver and the things that we provide to the public is maintenance of roads. 00:29:24
And it's the 32 people that we need to that the folks in public works need to serve. 00:29:30
OK. And and they're responsible to maintain. 00:29:35
24 miles on average per person. 00:29:39
That includes the supervisor. The supervisors are not here. 00:29:41
They're the Eddie Wisdoms, the Fred. 00:29:44
Rick, how shell and. 00:29:48
Bill Sturgeon. 00:29:51
That each have the road yard responsibilities. 00:29:52
Anyway, wanted to put that information in front of you. 00:29:57
I pause right here for questions. 00:30:02
Mr. Chair, for me. 00:30:06
Homer, thank you for putting all these miles on paper. And when you look at it, we have, what was it, 480 some miles of poor 00:30:07
service roads. 00:30:11
You know, back in when I when I came into this position. 00:30:16
I was under the understanding that miles had more to do with. 00:30:20
Her dollars than anything until you came on board and explained it differently. 00:30:24
So when you really stop and you look back at that and the fact that. 00:30:29
Once Upon a time, I believe we went through and we gathered up a whole lot of miles thinking we would qualify for more dollars. 00:30:34
Back then, if I'm not mistaken, like on the 4th service roads, they actually paid every year for us to maintain some roads. 00:30:42
And if I remember from meetings I had back then with them and cattle growers, they paid like 80 some 1000. 00:30:51
Which wasn't a lot of money. 00:30:58
But it was something. But now looking at it today was 750 plus miles of Rd. 00:30:59
Have we hit a point in time when we should really be looking at those miles and really think about the roads that we have under 00:31:06
agreements and. 00:31:10
And think about tuning it down to the roads that we we need to maintain and don't worry about the other ones. 00:31:14
I think that that's a great action item. 00:31:22
And a great idea. 00:31:25
Maybe a work session with the Forest Service president? 00:31:27
Where we examine the value of us maintaining 484 miles of Forest Service Rd. 00:31:30
Dollar value on that from our perspective, what would it take for someone else? 00:31:35
To maintain those growths. 00:31:40
And and bring that to the table. Now they're not. 00:31:42
They're not a partner that is empty handed at the table. They maybe they don't pay their full share for instance, they're paying 00:31:44
the EA for the material pits. They paid the EA for the 512 growth, they paid for some chip ceiling on the control roads and. 00:31:51
I think for service 199 or one of the other roads, they also paid at Chip Shield, they're contributing probably more than $80,000 00:31:59
a month. But still it's, it's we, we provide a tremendous service to the Forest Service and, and yes, they connect our communities 00:32:05
and we're interested in maintaining these roads. 00:32:11
Some of them. 00:32:17
If we and and and and here's the dilemma that we say we're going to maintain these roads once every two years. 00:32:18
On paper. 00:32:25
Is the contract that we have with the Forest Service. 00:32:26
Get a phone call from someone and we end up maintaining that road two or three times a year. There should be some discipline after 00:32:29
we say that. The contract says once we did it once as a road impassable. 00:32:34
No, it's passable. Then you have to live with it till we get to it again. 00:32:40
Somewhere along the way, we. 00:32:44
We should be in compliance with what we're asked to do by the floor service. 00:32:46
And talk to the Forest Service about is there any monies that they can pay us? 00:32:50
Eliminating a road that we maintain, if we truly maintain it, once every two years and we get hurt money. 00:32:55
One of the presentations that I showed earlier, that's probably a break even. 00:33:01
You get something like. 00:33:06
If I remember correctly. 00:33:08
If you brought people. 00:33:10
And gas sales to the Formula One mile of Rd. will get to like $8000. If you don't bring people and gas sales to the formula and 00:33:14
it's one mile of Rd. you would get enough to pay for. 00:33:20
The blading of that road once a year. 00:33:26
And that that's what one of the earlier work sessions talked about. 00:33:29
And it's so it's a little bit of a discipline process for us, not just for the Board of Supervisors, but we get the calls and 00:33:34
sometimes we oblige folks, OK. 00:33:38
And if the road is still passable, I think. 00:33:43
There should be some discipline. 00:33:46
If we don't have the folks. 00:33:48
And we're going to actually stop doing something else we're doing to go take care of this road. And we're supposed to maintain 00:33:50
once every two years. 00:33:53
We need to ask ourselves what's what's more important? 00:33:56
Mr. Chair, for me, yes. So Homer, I'm probably one of the worst for making those phone calls. 00:33:59
But but what I want to talk about is because we are so. 00:34:04
Short on private property that we live in the middle of the forest. 00:34:09
Most of what we deal with is there's a lot of forced roads out there. 00:34:13
But the roads that I'm thinking of. 00:34:18
They're not the ones that go to like an outlying ranch, let's say. 00:34:21
But the ones that may be going to a piece of country that no one lives on there, there is nobody out. 00:34:25
Those are the kind of roads that I have in mind that. 00:34:32
Maybe we need to pass them up? 00:34:35
Or just forget about them. I I don't know that's that's why I'm asking you. 00:34:39
We we have a list. We have that list. 00:34:44
Recently the floor service, because they hear us, we have a quarterly meeting and we always tell them how much we do for them they 00:34:48
offer. 00:34:51
Four or five. 00:34:55
We looked at it, there was one or two homes. 00:34:56
That were being served. 00:34:59
We actually didn't accept. 00:35:02
At their recommendations that they come off the list. 00:35:04
But again, it's it's us. 00:35:07
Sometimes not helping ourselves, and I think we need to look at it kind of like from a businessman perspective. 00:35:10
Is why why do we continue to maintain and there's probably about 24 service roads if I remember correctly from a list that. 00:35:16
That the team provided. 00:35:23
That we need to bring to that work session and say here's roads that maybe we should take off the list. 00:35:25
With the full explanation that we have, how long is it, How often do we maintain it? How many homes are to serve, and what else 00:35:30
does it do? 00:35:33
And bring that and discuss these roles that that we would be. 00:35:38
Taken off that contract. 00:35:43
Yes, Sir, Mr. Chair. 00:35:47
Yeah. And Speaking of Forest Service and and and I don't know of any roads that we only maintain twice a year because of our 00:35:49
constituents that keep calling us and we keep. 00:35:53
Calling you in the road departments to do a little more but. 00:35:59
When we meet with the Forest Service, I think it's real necessary to let. 00:36:03
The Forest Service know which they know, but. 00:36:07
But us maintaining. 00:36:10
You know, 484 miles of Forest Service road. Those roads aren't used like they were used. 00:36:12
Ten years ago. 00:36:17
I mean, in a recreational area, we have 30 and 40 razors lining up and how they all get that, you know, I've seen some of the dust 00:36:20
on those guys when they get off those rides and I, I don't know how they call that fun. 00:36:26
But we do have the recreators in. 00:36:33
Environment now, because we're a recreational environment. 00:36:36
That 10 years ago we didn't have. 00:36:40
And, and, and when when we get bad storms and things, that's when people stayed off the roads. Well, now that's when they go play 00:36:43
on our roads. 00:36:47
And and so with with us maintaining over. 00:36:53
Half of our roads are for service roads. 00:36:57
I think we need to come to the table and let them know the importance. 00:37:00
Of our ranch roads and of our roads. 00:37:04
Dirt roads that people live on. 00:37:09
Because those roads are being abused. 00:37:11
By recreators which which? 00:37:15
Then we get calls and it's like, well, we just maintained it yesterday and we won't be there again for two years. It's like. 00:37:17
We can't drive it. 00:37:25
Or things of that nature. And so I think what we have done with what we have to work with. 00:37:27
Is amazing. 00:37:33
But I think it it it would be very, very important conversation. 00:37:35
To stress with the Forest Service and they know they see those roads, they maintain some of their own roads. 00:37:40
But but I think at some point that has to be a strong. 00:37:46
Point made to them. 00:37:51
That our roads are getting a lot more. 00:37:53
Abusive traffic. 00:37:56
Than they did when some of these agreements were put in place, you know, when we decided to take over. 00:37:58
484 miles of Rd. 00:38:03
That was in a different world that we live in today. 00:38:07
And I think that. 00:38:10
That needs to be a major conversation with for service on if we continue to maintain those. 00:38:12
Or or not maintain those and so. 00:38:18
I know we've had that conversation before, but publicly. 00:38:21
I just wanted to stress that. 00:38:25
A point of view with other roads that we do deal with. 00:38:28
If I may make a chair. 00:38:32
Go ahead. Thank you, Tim. 00:38:34
You know what Tim says is absolutely true, Homer, right? We see it every weekend, those four Wheelers and groups. It's not just 00:38:36
one or two out for a. 00:38:40
Sunday drive, they come in. 00:38:44
There's lots of them. 00:38:46
And so. 00:38:48
Our our folks can literally blade a road all week long. It's tore up by Sunday afternoon when they go home. 00:38:49
But. 00:38:55
But it's not really just that. The other big change is all of our hunting seasons as well. 00:38:57
They start now in August, and they don't end until the end of February and March. 00:39:03
And so that brings that much. 00:39:09
Used to these roads that. 00:39:12
That we're trying to tend to so. 00:39:15
Maybe when we have that work session? 00:39:18
Game and Fish might ought to be a part of that session as well. 00:39:21
And. 00:39:26
Part of that discussion because. 00:39:27
It literally has gotten to the point and a lot of our ranch roads, like I said, I I'm not really, I don't want to give up our 00:39:30
ranch roads, but we do have roads that go out in the middle of nowhere and get in. 00:39:36
But even on the ranch roads, even though like 512 which is a main Rd. 00:39:41
Are, you know, we go in there and blade it and it's, it's tore up within a week. 00:39:46
The other thing that I think to Homer and I know the Forest Service. 00:39:51
Has really done its best, but I think there's some room for improvement on that. 00:39:56
Our biggest, one of our biggest downfall is bit material and and opening up a bunch of these pits. 00:40:01
They kind of need to step up to the plate on that guilt where we can get more material. 00:40:08
To use on these roads that these folks are blowing that material off of every weekend. 00:40:13
So. 00:40:18
I like I like to see any upcoming work sessions that that be addressed to. 00:40:21
Those are some very good points. 00:40:29
In the material pitch. 00:40:31
Umm, I don't have a slide on this presentation. I'm not sure if it's I I brought that that. 00:40:34
A number of times. 00:40:41
And the 5th that we have, only one has some bit of clay in it, actually the right amount of clay. 00:40:42
The other ones don't have any clay and so as soon as the moisture evaporates and the moisture gets away a lot quicker when you 00:40:47
don't have clay. 00:40:51
Then you have a rope that's flowing away with any wind and. 00:40:55
Just unraveling. 00:40:58
And so early on I made an effort, not a strong effort, but an effort to see if I could get a geotech firm to tell me where there 00:41:00
is some clay material in the Forest Service. 00:41:06
And basically their answer was, and I didn't move it beyond that point is tell me where you want and I'll give me a radius so that 00:41:12
I can look at that. But we need to go back and ask ourselves in this radius, where are the proper radiuses? 00:41:19
Where would a material fit be appropriate? 00:41:26
For us to use from from a logistics standpoint and then also from a material standpoint. 00:41:29
The creation of the material pit because we're trying to extend torque tips right now in the EA is is is significant money. 00:41:36
We would. 00:41:43
We we do need to spend some time. 00:41:46
Arriving at the right location and pursuing more material later on, you'll see where. 00:41:48
I omit the cost of a material for graveling roads because we. 00:41:55
We in this county. 00:41:58
Which is probably unique. 00:42:00
We don't have to pay for gravel, or we have. We've elected not to pay for gravel and instead. 00:42:02
Use the gravel from the pits. It may not be perfect, but. 00:42:07
We use these gravel pits in. 00:42:10
So if you ask me how can we maintain 750 miles and. 00:42:13
In Neville County gets even more money than without than with our Herpen excise tax. 00:42:17
That's one of the reasons why and we shared that and the picture very important or. 00:42:24
The life of our world. 00:42:29
I do have a question so. 00:42:35
Do you have anything that you could offer that our suggestion that we can do as the board to try and? 00:42:36
Pursue more money from the Forest Service. 00:42:44
To maintain. 00:42:49
These roads, the roads need to be maintained. 00:42:50
We're doing it. 00:42:53
And we don't have the money to do it and do. 00:42:54
Well, often enough, etc. 00:42:57
Then what do we do? The Forest Service needs to keep up with a lot of the issues that were brought up. 00:43:00
An increased amount of usage. It's. 00:43:06
We need an increase in the amount of funding. 00:43:09
It's funding from the four surfaces. One thing. 00:43:12
The other one is. 00:43:15
Putting down gravel material that you know is not going to work the right way according to a standard that are used by the Forest 00:43:17
Service and. 00:43:21
In many different. 00:43:27
Government agencies. 00:43:29
It has to have a certain plasticity. 00:43:31
And knowing that it doesn't have that, you're only repeating the work that you do more frequently than you should. 00:43:34
OK, so basically the road out will last a long time if you lay it down with three inches of the right material? 00:43:41
Before you have to come back and bleed it again. 00:43:48
In the Midwest, they do that very successfully. 00:43:50
On the farm Rd. 00:43:55
And they last much longer than what we would be experiencing here. So to the floor services, we need better pits. 00:43:56
Have you got? Can you find and Can you find the entire? 00:44:04
Work that's required to generate these pits. We need to work together on where the pitch should be. 00:44:08
And will it generate the right material? And then just the EA alone is not enough. Somebody then needs to do something about the 00:44:13
natural resources. 00:44:17
That are going to be found there. 00:44:21
And pay for that. 00:44:24
And if the Forest Service can come up with some money, this is again 484 miles. 00:44:26
We can put a dollar value on the maintenance of these roads and and share with them. This is what we're contributing. 00:44:31
For these roads, we, I think. 00:44:37
If you have money and if we can continue to work on material pitch, which we are. 00:44:39
But we need the NOR wants to reduce the travel time and to introduce some play. 00:44:44
And through. 00:44:49
Homer, if I may. 00:44:53
When you take a pit, that's that's. 00:44:56
Mostly granite. There's really not a lot of binder in it. 00:44:58
What do we have these days for addities where we could mix with that material? 00:45:02
That would help bind it together. I mean it not necessarily just clay, but is there like a another form of lignicide or something 00:45:09
like that that's out there that? 00:45:13
That would work to help hold that together. 00:45:18
Play is like the the the right material. 00:45:21
That you can play. You can come back and blade it without pulling up big chunks of material if you use like calcium. 00:45:25
Magnesium chloride or calcium chloride or the lignin sulfate? 00:45:33
Then those materials will clump it up and then you're having to pulverize the road. 00:45:37
They're actually bladed. 00:45:41
And the floor service was recently Tom Bookman and Alex were working with them. 00:45:43
They recognize we we had, we share material pits with them I don't know how many times and they recognize that it's not the 00:45:49
standard that they want. 00:45:53
So they were going to try to buy. 00:45:57
Pay us through. They were gonna actually pay for a trial for us to bring Clay in. 00:46:00
And introduced it to some of these roads, especially. I think this is part of that logging operation that's taking place up there 00:46:04
in Pine Strawberry. 00:46:08
And we were going to do a trial with them. 00:46:11
And I don't know the exact status of it here. 00:46:14
You could share some insight on what we're doing with that project. 00:46:19
But we need to, we need to discover, find out. 00:46:23
How we can bring What is the cost of adding clay to these material pits that we have? 00:46:26
OK. So that's a good point. 00:46:35
So we're ready for the next item. 00:46:40
Did I not answer your question? It's a start, Homer. We're good. Yeah. 00:46:43
So let's, let's, we're going to move on now to equipment and motor graders we actually sat down with. 00:46:52
The entire group. 00:46:59
A Folk. 00:47:02
The General Services team. The road yards team. 00:47:07
And we looked at every piece of heavy equipment that we have. 00:47:12
Including brooms. 00:47:15
Backhoe loaders, Transports. 00:47:19
Water trucks and it's just a long list. It's a. 00:47:23
Like a four page list of equipment. 00:47:26
And he looked at all of them and asked ourselves. 00:47:28
What needs to be replaced? 00:47:31
And so these are some of the suggestions that come out of that. 00:47:33
These haven't necessarily found their way to the budget yet. 00:47:37
And whether they find their word into fiscal year 26 or fiscal year 27, that remains to be seen. 00:47:40
But this is equipment that we would like to purchase in the near future. 00:47:46
Replace in the near future. 00:47:50
In the next. 00:47:52
Couple of slides you'll hear about buying. 00:47:55
Granting or buying used and we need to, we need to take advantage of all those for the for that particular piece of equipment. 00:47:58
So you'll see some instances of that for that was offered. 00:48:06
Maybe we should do that. 00:48:09
And so just in a motivator, the idea what the with the body, there's a. 00:48:11
We have 3 motor graders that are older than 30 years. 00:48:16
And we have one that is older than 30 years and waiting for auction doesn't doesn't count. 00:48:20
We have approximately 14. We have 14 active motivators. 00:48:25
OK. And if you remember the team number, the team #32 operators, including the supervisors? 00:48:29
We have 14 motivators. Probably the number is more than appropriate. 00:48:35
We would like to replace one that. 00:48:40
That is, that is, uh. 00:48:43
1987. 00:48:45
We would like to replace. 00:48:47
One, that's 1997. 00:48:49
And then later on. 00:48:52
One that is 2007. 00:48:54
Well, we're having a hard time getting part. 00:48:57
OK. And so that one is into the far future. 00:48:59
If the first two motivators that. 00:49:04
And we would like to replace IS J-007 and J005. 00:49:06
We're replacing those in the next couple of years. 00:49:11
As soon as our budget allows. 00:49:15
Questions on that? By the way, this is the spreadsheet that you see here. 00:49:18
Is the spreadsheet that accompanied every piece of equipment that we look at. 00:49:22
So we have that the year. 00:49:25
We have the either the miles or the hours in this particular case. 00:49:28
There's a red highlight on two that we're going to replace there in excess of 15,000 hours. 00:49:32
If you ask Caterpillar sales guy to tell you when you should replace it, they talk between 7010 thousand hours. OK. 00:49:38
Ours is probably the best way to measure the life of a motor grader, Not so much in years. 00:49:47
The things that we would, we should be looking at. 00:49:53
Does the machine function the way we want it? 00:49:56
Is the machine reliable? 00:49:59
What's the cost of maintaining that machine? 00:50:01
And that and the hours, the hours of life, should guide us as to whether or not it ought to be replaced in this particular case. 00:50:04
We would be replacing. The proposal is to replace it. 00:50:12
That through motivated with the most amount of hours. 00:50:15
Makes sense? 00:50:18
And again, I'm sharing this information to share with you more of the process that we're using to determine what equipments we 00:50:20
need to buy. 00:50:24
Than to necessarily. 00:50:28
Have a discussion around should it be this one first or that one next? 00:50:33
When they come to the board, we'll bring you the rationality Why we're. 00:50:38
Picking those pieces of equipment this year and what we plan to do next year. 00:50:42
And also where the equipment is going to be headed. 00:50:48
And so that's part of what the team talked about, how they would swap equipment back and forth. 00:50:51
Everybody was at the table and every time that they talked about swapping, the entire group was in agreement with that. 00:50:56
I I don't like to see all the new equipment going through 1 certain place unless there's a reason for it. 00:51:04
OK. And yes, this category life maintenance cost, is that the total cost of? 00:51:09
That particular vehicle? 00:51:17
Over the time that we have had it. 00:51:20
Correct. OK. 00:51:23
There there is another column that you're not seeing here. 00:51:24
Is the cost for the last? 00:51:28
Maintenance cycle for the last year, Yeah, OK. 00:51:30
And so we look at both when we're looking at. 00:51:35
Was it something that we did? We do an engine five years ago and in the last three or four years we're spending a minimal amount 00:51:40
of. 00:51:43
Of monies repairing it. 00:51:46
But yes. 00:51:48
They are the life. 00:51:50
Of that vehicle. 00:51:53
The cost to maintain, So this first one here that's in red, it's the J 007. 00:51:55
Second item. 00:52:01
It's got a lot of hours on it, but the cost? 00:52:04
Is pretty low, 181,000 compared to others. 00:52:08
That you're not recommending replacement on. 00:52:13
Did you, you know what I'm saying? It seems like that particular vehicle, even though it's a lot of. 00:52:17
Age and my hours. 00:52:23
Hasn't cost us very much to operate. 00:52:26
All of that and that's considered. 00:52:30
And so we can, we can look at that. 00:52:33
And dive deeper into it. But the team consensus was that. 00:52:37
Based on the age and I can't speak for the functionality, how well it works. 00:52:41
And how reliable it is. 00:52:46
You would say, well, you do not spending and I don't know when that money was spent, whether it was spent recently. 00:52:48
Or it was spent a long time ago? 00:52:54
But again, it's a it's a team consensus. 00:52:56
And there is a process that is being looked at and your point is well taken. We do look at the life maintenance cost. 00:53:00
Together with the number of hours. 00:53:08
And the age. 00:53:10
And again there is a. 00:53:12
There is some decision making that needs to take place. 00:53:16
And if you. 00:53:20
It's it's so I was depending on the team consensus to try. 00:53:23
What they thought was. 00:53:28
Best to go. 00:53:30
Thank you. 00:53:32
Since your point is well taken and we do look at actually life maintenance. 00:53:33
And so the next slide is dump trucks and pinwheel dump trucks. 00:53:38
And again the same kind of thinking process of. 00:53:43
And looking at the vehicles. 00:53:47
They're ranked on the spreadsheet in by age. 00:53:50
But we also look at light maintenance and the team talks about. 00:53:55
It's a, it's a functional and are the parts available. 00:54:00
As part of the discussion as to what ought to be replaced, the first one that you see here, first of all, there's. 00:54:05
Three dump trucks that are older than. 00:54:12
30 years and eight, eight of them in total that are older than 25 years. 00:54:14
Our fleet thus is own. 00:54:20
But umm. 00:54:22
If you look at the proposed plans, in many cases they were telling me good shape, excellent shape, good shape, runs good, etc. 00:54:24
There were no dissatisfaction with the functionality or reliability of the equipment. 00:54:31
And that's very important for a motor grader. 00:54:36
For a dump truck that travels on the highway, I do like to look at the age as well as all the other. 00:54:39
Element that we look at. 00:54:46
So the oldest one that we have is a 1978 dump truck. 00:54:47
That we'd like to replace an auction. 00:54:52
We are actually right now ready to purchase a vehicle for that. 00:54:55
And we're waiting for the procurement process to allow us to purchase that. We've already come to the board for that. OK. 00:54:59
And the same thing with AC Zero 25. 00:55:05
We're going to replace it. 00:55:09
And we're going to see if the landfill would like to have it. I look back earlier to see if Aaron Carter goes here. 00:55:11
Aaron is not here. He's very interested in this, but we have an adequate inspection today at Russell Ghost Landfill. So that's. 00:55:16
So he's taking care of business. 00:55:24
But if the Lancer were interested in keeping that where the vehicle doesn't have to travel on a highway. 00:55:26
And it's a larger dump truck. Then they would buy it at fair market value from from earth and they would be able to use that. 00:55:31
And so that's not been completely determined yet, but they're going to get the option to do that. 00:55:39
So again, we have two vehicles that we'd like to replace. 00:55:43
Next couple years. 00:55:46
So. 00:55:48
Mr. Chair, for me. 00:55:49
As we go through this equipment homeroom, you know, not too many years ago we didn't have enough people to run all the equipment 00:55:51
at. 00:55:54
Now it seems like we're getting staffed up again. 00:55:59
And uh. 00:56:02
We're getting a lot of positions filled that we really needed to fill. 00:56:03
So when when we look at this list. 00:56:07
Home Merrill. Whether it's motivators, voters, dump trucks, whatever it is. 00:56:10
Are are we going to be close to where we need to be for equipment? Because I know Once Upon a time, if I'm not mistaken, where we. 00:56:15
Two pieces of equipment down the road to get a replacement for one. 00:56:26
Two piece of equipment, Yeah, like we get rid of two to get one. 00:56:34
Oh umm. 00:56:38
We have been trading in like pickup trucks. 2 for one. 00:56:39
For equipment, we rarely do that. You're going to see instances of us doing that, but we often it's just one for one. In this 00:56:43
particular case it is one for one. 00:56:47
Again, we have 32 operators on the very second slide. On the second slide, we show 3rd 2 operators. 00:56:51
We have actually 14. 00:56:57
Because C-15 was replaced a long time ago and it's just sitting out there ready for option. We have 14 active dump trucks today. 00:56:59
For a team of 32, it seems like that's a fair number of dump trucks. 00:57:08
OK, yeah. But I will ask the theme. The theme is here. 00:57:13
Wayne and Gold, they feel like that we ought to be increasing the fleet size. 00:57:17
Well, I know that Holland is a big issue. 00:57:23
For all the road yards and so. 00:57:26
With regards to the dump truck part of it. 00:57:30
Is this going to be enough dump trucks to meet? 00:57:34
The folks we have in these yards. 00:57:38
I believe so. Like I say, is. 00:57:43
Seems I believe so we will like stays on chip seals. We partner up with the Globe and the Payson yards like says between those 14 00:57:47
dump trucks and a chip box. 00:57:52
And that like says we will have the efficient to utilize what we need to to get the job done. You think would be about right? 00:57:57
Yeah, yeah. 00:58:04
'Cause I'd rather see utilization like says on the belly dumps and some of the transport trucks we can. 00:58:06
Access Commute them between the two areas, the timber and the copper region says. 00:58:11
And kind of have a. 00:58:17
A schedule of Holly, a hall schedule for, then we can get that set up. 00:58:18
For utilizing for them instead of justice having vehicles sit. 00:58:23
So OK, cool. 00:58:28
Umm, Homer, I wanted to ask you again and I I. 00:58:30
I remember talking talking to you once about it. You know that motivator that's in young is the first one we had that we went out 00:58:34
and leased. 00:58:39
Through CAT, are we done with leasing equipment? Is that what you determined that it really didn't? 00:58:44
Workout well. 00:58:51
In today's uh. 00:58:53
For public works institutions today, leasing is not a good option. We're spending money on interest that we. 00:58:57
Don't have to spend. 00:59:04
OK, we we do have. 00:59:06
An organization called General Services and we make a $3,000,000 investment with them every year to repair our equipment. 00:59:10
And so it comes back, it comes back to if we have 14 dump trucks. 00:59:17
We need to do our best that fourteen of them run. 00:59:22
And if they don't run, then we need to be talking about replacing them. 00:59:26
And we replace them necessarily for a new one or a used one. 00:59:30
I think looking for used equipment is a better option than necessarily leasing from Caterpillar. I think we're paying twice as 00:59:34
much then. 00:59:37
So I don't think leasing is a good option for. 00:59:42
OK. 00:59:47
All right. And then even these are short versions. I'm not showing you all the hours and mileage and. 00:59:50
Things like that, but we looked at the loaders. 01:00:01
That longest, I would say that there's nine of them that are available and the 8 ranges from 1985 to 2023. 01:00:04
We recently purchased 1 and so we have J-003. It's going to be optioned sometime. 01:00:11
At the next auction. 01:00:16
4 clicks. We have three that are available. We have one that's R011 that's a red font. 01:00:18
That's our military forklift, is what they tell me. Parts are not available. 01:00:25
We need to be looking at replacing that one. 01:00:30
Now the forklift, you could ask yourself, why are we buying a new one? 01:00:32
Why don't we buy? 01:00:36
A good use when somewhere. 01:00:38
And I think that that's one of the options that we that we ought to be looking at. 01:00:40
OK. 01:00:46
And it's a heavy one of the. 01:00:48
Heavier forklift. That's here at Russell Gold. 01:00:51
So we need to determine. 01:00:54
Do we need one? 01:00:56
And if we need one. 01:00:57
What a youth. 01:00:59
Appropriate, and the team needs to wrestle with those kind of. 01:01:01
Questions and answers to present to the Board what our five year capital plan is going forward. 01:01:05
Rollers. There are 6 available. 01:01:11
One of the interesting things when you look at the maintenance cost of the rollers. 01:01:14
Chairman Christensen. 01:01:18
I averaged them out and they averaged out to $2700 per year on rollers. We don't use them except for mostly for chip seal. 01:01:21
And so you would expect that you don't have to maintain it for use year round. 01:01:29
Wayne last year rented one for the Chip Shield season for about $2700. 01:01:37
So it's almost like we can get rid of 1 knowing that we can rent one. 01:01:43
For the same cloth that is costing us to maintain that one. 01:01:47
And that's the kind of thing that we need to be looking at. 01:01:50
Asking ourselves what's the maintenance cost? 01:01:53
We use it year round. It's a special purpose. Why do we have it? 01:01:55
OK. And so Wayne and and Door are going to be looking at those kind of things. 01:01:59
We have one that we're going to send to auction. It's unsafe. We don't it. 01:02:05
We're not going to replace it and if we need it, H 005, we'll rent if needed. 01:02:10
OK. And that's the things that we're trying to do. 01:02:16
With that, the chip box, the brooms are in good shape. 01:02:19
Some of them were recently refurbished. Is the conversation that. 01:02:23
The team had when we met with them. 01:02:27
OK, one more, one more heavy equipment. 01:02:30
Umm, we looked at the 9 transports. 01:02:33
We'd like to replace one of them, See. 01:02:37
Zero 31. 01:02:40
Currently is at young we would. 01:02:42
Take that one and auction it and buy a new one in its place. The new one would end up at conservation. 01:02:44
Young would get a reconditioned C. 01:02:52
Zero 49. 01:02:55
Will be reconditioned and assigned to the young area. 01:02:57
And again, this is the theme. I don't talk when they're talking about swapping equipment. I let them figure out what's right. 01:03:01
That's what the team told us right to do and and and therefore. 01:03:07
Somebody gets a new one. Somebody gets her refurbished money. 01:03:11
OK, Water trucks, there's two that we'd like to replace. 01:03:14
Umm, and if need be, C013. 01:03:19
If the landfill is interested in that water truck, which has a greater capacity than the one that they have currently. 01:03:24
Then we would reassign it to landfill, of course, under the rules that we have to pay for market values to cover. 01:03:30
But the fair market value for something that's 1999 would be reasonable for the landfill. 01:03:37
To acquire the other one, we would just replace an option off. 01:03:42
C Zero 68. 01:03:47
Backwards. Six of them available, all in good shape. 01:03:50
The dozers. There's three available. 01:03:54
The hours that we use them. 01:03:57
On an annual basis ranges from 1000, the last the last fiscal last year. 01:03:59
Plus 1200 and 2200 hours. They range between that. 01:04:04
So when you get to the 2000 hours you're you're basically using that that doser quite a bit. 01:04:08
Year round, just about. 01:04:14
T05. 01:04:17
005 is AD 5 Doser. It's a 2017. 01:04:18
We'd like to see if we can create that in for perhaps I used V6, that was something a little bit bigger. 01:04:22
They're not happy with the performance of the D5 in doing the work that needs to be done. 01:04:29
That those rising young and. 01:04:33
They talked about. 01:04:36
Going to a bigger dozer for a while and we'd like to put that on the radar for doing something about that. 01:04:38
In next, sometime in the next two years, Mr. Chair, for me. 01:04:45
I want to give you a little bit of history on that dozer. 01:04:50
You knew this was coming, Homer. 01:04:53
So we had an old dozer that sat on the North Rd. in young and that's all it was. It was just there to sit. 01:04:56
And in the winter time, when the snow drifter gets a big, the motor graders can bust their own. 01:05:02
That's what that old dozer was used for. 01:05:08
And back in the day it was decided to get rid of that old dozer, which old dozers don't bring much. 01:05:11
But it was sufficient for what it was used for. When I took this position, I insisted. 01:05:19
That if we're going to do that, that we replace it with the dozer that can sit there. 01:05:24
To bust those snow drifts and then be used wherever it can be used in the good part of the year. 01:05:30
The reason that I insisted on a sitting there and I had this argument because they'd tell me, well, we can get those up there if 01:05:36
we need to bust through snow drifts to get out. No, you can't. 01:05:41
Because you have 260 that's iced over, you have 288 that's iced over. How you gonna haul it? Those are up over that mountain to 01:05:47
get to where we need one. 01:05:51
And then you've got a roadblock that we can't get through and nobody else. 01:05:56
That was the reason that Little Dozer was bought. It wasn't bought and purchased to do big projects for. 01:06:00
So I'm just going to throw this out there. I don't, I don't think there's any. 01:06:07
Reason why we shouldn't get AD six that can be used. 01:06:11
In more ways than that, little dozer. 01:06:15
But what I will say. 01:06:17
Is in the winter. 01:06:19
If there's not a dozer available sitting on that road. 01:06:21
In case we actually have a winner this year, we're pretty safe, but. 01:06:24
To open that road up. 01:06:29
Then there's going to be an issue. 01:06:30
And so. 01:06:33
That would be the only reason I would argue about getting rid of Little Dozer. 01:06:34
I didn't have a lot of hours on on. 01:06:40
On it and that was the reason it was there that and and the the fish hatchery Rd. so. 01:06:42
Umm, I'm I'm just throwing this out there, but. 01:06:50
In the winter time, if we replace it with the new 6. 01:06:55
I I really want that 6th sentence on that road take its place because that was the sole purpose of that little dozer. 01:06:58
That that is the strategy that is in mind. 01:07:07
That the V6 basically would be at young. 01:07:10
In the summertime, we need to transport it somewhere, like any other piece of equipment in Gila County. 01:07:13
Then we should be ready to transport and share that equipment, but in the winter time the G6 would be in young. 01:07:20
Again, if if this is this is. 01:07:28
You would have to think that this item is driven by the road yard and Young. The road, yard and Young is making this suggestion to 01:07:31
us that AB6. They could find many other uses for it, but B5 has limited functionality. 01:07:37
And so let's see if we can, while it's still fairly new, let's see if we can do a swap for something equivalent on the D6 size 01:07:43
without paying the $1,000,000 that you'd have to pay for a dozer. 01:07:49
OK. 01:07:58
OK, for now I'm good. 01:08:00
That's a good thing. 01:08:05
Uh, so we, we're working on the 26th budget right now. So the numbers that I show you are kind of like a draft. 01:08:07
But if you were to take the equipment, just the equipment that we're talking about and you work to smear it across 22 fiscal 01:08:15
cycles, fiscal year 26 and fiscal year 27. 01:08:19
If we're talking about. 01:08:24
Buying the equipment or exchanging equipment that we just talked about. 01:08:26
And if you look at the list there for fiscal year 26, it'd be like a million and a half. 01:08:31
In the fiscal year 27, it'd be $650,000. 01:08:35
OK. 01:08:41
We will have something like a model year budget. 01:08:42
For you to look at in a little while. 01:08:46
And those numbers are important for us to kind of look forward to. 01:08:48
What's the affordability for that much equipment in a 2 year cycle? 01:08:53
So Homer on. 01:08:58
I know you're gonna get sick when you're going back to motor graders, but that, that's kind of the backbone of us. 01:09:00
So we're going to get rid of three motor graders? 01:09:06
Correct. 01:09:10
I one of them, yes. 01:09:12
And we're going to replace them with two motor Gators. 01:09:15
And I, I would imagine Wayne and Jammer and everybody's talked about this. 01:09:19
And feel like that's adequate. I'm just making sure that. 01:09:24
That's where they want to be on motor graders. 01:09:28
That that one lot of data. 01:09:42
Also, we've already replaced one of the three. 01:09:45
We're not losing any, OK. 01:09:50
At the very top line. 01:09:51
Is we? It's an auction. 01:09:53
It replaced J zero 23. 01:09:56
That's good. Thank you, Gemma. 01:09:59
Thank you. 01:10:02
I would get up close to the board to look, but I know that's not allowed. 01:10:09
Couldn't do it. 01:10:13
So then we'll move along with. 01:10:16
With this slide here, we're going to move on to other other things in a minute. We're going to go look at the. 01:10:23
Engineering. 01:10:29
And so I wanted you to capture one and a half million and $650,000 for the discussions that we have later on. 01:10:31
So ongoing projects, what are the projects that we have? And I don't want to, I don't want to look at all the details on these 01:10:41
slides unless you take me there, OK. 01:10:45
But what I wanted you to look at is the funding sources. 01:10:50
There's two. There's three. 01:10:54
Columns. They had the green. 01:10:56
Highlight header at the top. 01:10:59
One of them is total, the total amount of funding that's required for the project. 01:11:02
The other one is monies that we got from the feds for the state. 01:11:07
And the other one is what the county portion for that project? 01:11:10
OK. And as you can see, Golden Hills project, we're contributing phase two, we're contributing $35,000. 01:11:14
Or a project that $614,000 in value. That's fair. 01:11:22
Houston Mesa Rd. 01:11:27
We're contributing. 01:11:29
251,000 for something that should add up to about $3,000,000. 01:11:30
OK, that again is a good thing. 01:11:35
And if you go down the list, Russell Gulch. 01:11:39
We're at this point, we're contributing 0 if we can hold the monies through. 01:11:42
The project to that budget amount that Different has agreed to, then it wouldn't cost us anything. 01:11:46
We have already asked for Diffum to give us an increase in the past. 01:11:52
And they? 01:11:57
And we, our project managers, in this case it's Steve Williams, is working to try to control the the cost of that project like we 01:11:58
should on every project. 01:12:03
Campaign Creek. 01:12:08
There was a contribution on our part. 01:12:09
But the Campaign Creek buyout. 01:12:12
But that part, even though it shows county. 01:12:15
Comes from the state. I think it's all. 01:12:18
Unless I'm mistaken. 01:12:21
All of Campaign Creek buyout. 01:12:22
Comes from either. 01:12:25
FEMA or the state. And so we've got a number there. 01:12:27
That it's misplaced. It's all in. 01:12:32
It's all from different sources. 01:12:37
OK. 01:12:41
Continuing on the next. 01:12:42
Slide, I think it's like 13. 01:12:44
It talks about Golden Hill sidewalk. 01:12:47
I'm sorry, I think that's a duplication there. 01:12:50
Material pits. 01:12:53
We contribute 115,000 and the floor service contributes 163 to the environmental assessment of the material. 01:12:55
As we move forward on the pitch, we need to see how the Forest Service pays for everything. 01:13:04
Because I think, again, it's crucial that we try to get pits, the new pits. 01:13:08
Have clay and it's going to cost something like that each and every time. That was for four pitch, by the way, not just for one. 01:13:14
Russell Rd. Right Now that's a smart grant for design, completely funded by the feds. 01:13:20
Pine Lane Drainage We're spending some money to understand how much water can flow through Pine Lane. 01:13:26
And what's the capacity and how does it, how does it flow and things like that? We're funding that because? 01:13:32
With that property was put claim to us. The intention was for us to use it as drainage and we need to figure out how. 01:13:38
How we're going to do that and what we need to do for. 01:13:44
Mildetro, we'd like to understand a little bit more about what it would take to. 01:13:48
Have male Detroit be safer. 01:13:54
And for us to maintain it and we there's, we've got some money that we would like to budget to. 01:13:57
See what it would take to. 01:14:03
Make that road safer. 01:14:06
Will be coming to the board later on, probably on a work session to talk about mild ditch. 01:14:09
In detail. 01:14:14
Sycamore Creek, there's no estimates. That's some Brent. 01:14:16
Project that engineering is working on. 01:14:20
There's no information that would allow us at this point to put on a dollar value on there. So we haven't done that. 01:14:23
And the last light on this, and I'm sorry they're rushing you here. I should write this. Stop if you have questions on these 01:14:32
projects. 01:14:36
But again, it's a young Rd. final design. We're looking for a smart grant. 01:14:39
We have enough information to say that it probably would cost us. We would contribute 150,000 and. 01:14:44
The feds and states would pay for 550,000 of that. 01:14:52
We would have 100%. 01:14:56
Design that we can take out for bids if we were to get that grant, we don't have that grant yet. 01:14:59
We're working on it. 01:15:05
And then some more watershed projects or there's not enough information, but we're working on it. 01:15:07
Gibson Ranch Rd. Design. 01:15:12
$48,000 to get that ready for pavement replacement. 01:15:15
And that's for the design 48,000 for. 01:15:22
Because we. 01:15:25
This is a project that we know we want to do. 01:15:27
So we're going to design it, but we also know we're going to spend money to fix it. 01:15:29
And right now we're. 01:15:34
We're putting a number of $1.5 million on that project. 01:15:35
So even though we haven't come to the board. 01:15:39
That that needs to find its way to our future. 01:15:42
We can't ignore that that we're going to spend that money. 01:15:45
And so we we've included it in here. 01:15:48
Bloody Tank Wash Bridge that's grant money. 01:15:50
We contribute $9000 and the. 01:15:54
Not contributes 165. 01:15:57
Tonto Village Bridge right now it's 770,000 without without us contributing any money. 01:15:59
Monroe St. That's entirely a perf project. 01:16:06
We'll be spending something like $871,000 on that. 01:16:10
There will be a general fund contribution to it, but we're putting that in the budget for now. 01:16:16
And so when you go to the blue section. 01:16:21
You can see that in total for the design and construction. 01:16:24
Things that we have in the funnel. 01:16:28
Or that we're actually building. 01:16:30
We have a total of $15 million that we're working on. 01:16:31
11.6 funded by somebody else? 01:16:35
3.6 Funded by. 01:16:38
Key account and the point of all those slides. 01:16:41
Because you've heard of these projects before, every time you hear about them, every time we bring them to the board, talk to you 01:16:45
about them. 01:16:48
Is that that should be a way of life for he's accounting. 01:16:51
If we do a major. 01:16:54
Pavement. 01:16:57
We ought to be looking for the help of the state. 01:16:58
Federal government. 01:17:01
I don't think that in the HERF revenues that we get. 01:17:02
That there's room for us to be spending $1,000,000 a mile for roads, many miles at a time. 01:17:05
Maybe we do. 01:17:11
On neighborhood growth, that requires pavement because it was paved and we want to put pavement back in. 01:17:12
That we do small sections ourselves. 01:17:18
But we're talking about anything with any get, with any long length. We can't afford $1,000,000 a mile in the current budget that 01:17:21
we have to be thinking about long stretches of paper. 01:17:26
OK. 01:17:31
So, umm. 01:17:33
Any questions before I? 01:17:34
Summarize it here for you. 01:17:37
I I got one and Tim, maybe this is is more towards you or home or either one, but the NRCS projects two of them. 01:17:39
That has to do with the fires, right? 01:17:47
Yes, there they started off having to do with the fire and they morphed into. 01:17:50
Other grant opportunities that. 01:17:56
Haven't really materialized. One of them I think was Sycamore Creek. 01:18:01
In here is we're waiting for the next. 01:18:05
Hazard to take place before we can apply for a grant. 01:18:09
And you can see they don't have any monies in there. Tom Goodman and Alex spend time. 01:18:13
Sometime staying in touch with the people that would provide the grants. 01:18:19
There is I think. 01:18:26
If you were to put up scale of probability of actually happening in the near future, there's a low probability. 01:18:27
I think the conversation I wanted to have with Supervisor Humphrey on Sycamore was there's really three options on Sycamore. 01:18:36
It's 1. 01:18:43
Which you don't have a benefit cost ratio that would allow you to buy them out. 01:18:45
Also, they will never get flooded. They're so far above that the Cliff first would have to fall and they would have to fall with 01:18:51
it before we could ask for money. 01:18:55
So buy out did not necessarily. 01:18:59
May be the best strategy. 01:19:03
One of the strategies is. 01:19:04
To move them, to move them 20 feet into this, into that coop that they have. But this is one big property that is shared by many. 01:19:06
It's a coop, OK. 01:19:11
And so that would be another difficulty in doing a buyout because the buyout wants to buy the property. 01:19:16
So the buyout may not be the best solution. It may be the solution is. 01:19:22
For them to move into. 01:19:27
Away from the Cliff. 01:19:30
But they keep pushing us out on every time there's hope, then there's no hope, etc. Tom can can give us more information on that, 01:19:31
but. 01:19:36
We just stay in touch with the folks for now. 01:19:43
OK, hello. 01:19:46
Instead of there's different sources of grant from. 01:19:58
NRCS. 01:20:03
But we. 01:20:04
When they weren't able to help us with the first grant that had to do with the fire, they said let's try. I think it's emergency 01:20:10
watershed protection, something like that. Tom. 01:20:14
And that their sources of money there and then there weren't. 01:20:19
We we spend a little bit of time, but not much on that. 01:20:25
And we need to keep our ears open. 01:20:28
But the probability of us getting money from them unless something else happens and then we would have other sources of grant 01:20:31
funding availability. 01:20:34
Is is I think low? 01:20:38
I think you're right. 01:20:42
But uh. 01:20:43
You know, we're we're faced with a pretty tough looking year, so who knows what's going to happen. 01:20:45
We keep it on the list. It's not costing us anything except sometime from our engineering team to. 01:20:52
And keep track of those folks and call them and. 01:20:57
OK, so. 01:21:02
Any other questions? 01:21:04
Mr. Chairman, the only other question is the Russell Rd. and. 01:21:08
Planning and designed. Is that money going to come through? 01:21:13
Russell Rd. is ongoing. 01:21:19
We did receive the Russell Rd. Smart grant. 01:21:20
That is just for design. 01:21:23
OK, we need to be ready to follow up with grant submittals. 01:21:25
Part of the condition of getting that money is that we submit for federal grants. 01:21:30
For the reconstruction of the road. 01:21:34
Now we, of course. 01:21:36
The engineers just started working on it, so we I haven't seen the alternative designs yet. They should present to us at. 01:21:38
Some kind of like alternative designs that look at the cost of the project and then. 01:21:46
We would move forward with a fine. 01:21:51
That the I am the design that the team selects. A dot is managing the project. 01:21:55
Like they'd like to manage it. We sit in at the meetings. 01:22:00
And, well, we're pushing that, whatever they. 01:22:04
Come up with needs to be the lowest cost possible because again, we're going to run into a cost feasibility challenge. 01:22:09
On that project as well. 01:22:14
OK. Thanks, Homer. 01:22:18
OK. This just summarizes the things we talked about, the rope improvements that we saw on that piece of paper. 01:22:20
The amount that it costs the county is $3.6 million. Somebody else was providing 11.6. 01:22:28
Heavy equipment, it's a $2.2 million over A2 year span. 01:22:34
Young and Tonto Basin. 01:22:38
We Every time I walk into the Townsville Basin Rd. yard, I tell myself we can do better. 01:22:41
That's not a Basin Rd. yard office. It's it's in bad shape. So I put a little bit of money there to. 01:22:46
Look at the counter base and see what we can do to. 01:22:52
Just accommodate the. 01:22:56
A person that considered it asking and work from a desk for an hour a day or two hours a day, whatever the supervisor does. 01:22:58
Chips you reconstruction. 01:23:06
This is a good item to talk about a little bit. 01:23:08
So we have these ropes that were chip sealed in the past and. 01:23:12
Ina, we paid somebody to do that work for us to take the chip shield off and replace it with a double chip seal. 01:23:16
In this particular case. 01:23:23
Wayne and his team is offering to. 01:23:25
If we can get somebody, a contractor, to mail off the asphalt. 01:23:27
That's already there. The chip Shields over there. 01:23:31
That he would go in, in the September time frame, not in the spring chip seal that we saw earlier or I don't know if we did it 01:23:34
yet, but we're going to see it. 01:23:37
In this in this in the September. 01:23:42
August timeframe he would go in there and double chip seal those roads after a contractor would mail it. 01:23:45
And that is probably a strategy that we need to pay attention to what's going to happen there. 01:23:51
Because that might be something that we do in the future. 01:23:57
Pay somebody to mail the asphalt off and we'll double chips you. 01:24:00
Because again, we were not able to pay $1,000,000 a mile with $9 million budget that we have. 01:24:04
And we're getting to that in a minute. 01:24:10
Budget, OK. 01:24:11
And so we're looking at just what these items alone we're looking at. 01:24:14
Capital improvements of $6.4 million. Again, this is work in process, the budget not complete. 01:24:18
That number? 01:24:24
That's that's some of those items were like a two year, 2 year. We need to look at it. 01:24:26
We actually need a five year capital plan. 01:24:30
At budget time. 01:24:34
So that we can so that when you approve the budget, you know what the next four years. 01:24:36
What the capacity? 01:24:42
Of the next four years would be to buy. 01:24:43
Capital equipment and to make capital improvements on roads. 01:24:46
Screen question. 01:24:51
So if I just do quick math, you're spending 6,000,004? 01:24:54
And we have an income of 9,000,003. 01:25:00
Is that correct? 01:25:04
64 instead of total of 6,000,004. 01:25:06
Like Aaron Red. 01:25:10
But your herf. 01:25:12
Is 9 million correct? 01:25:14
Three, correct. OK. Are we banking that money or is it being spent in another way? 01:25:16
It talks about a carry forward. We have to have some money that had been saved up overtime. 01:25:25
And today is probably like $17 million. 01:25:31
But there's also some encumbrances that that place some places where we. 01:25:34
Already issued work but haven't paid for it. 01:25:40
We've got comfort that expense, but we haven't, it hasn't. The money hasn't flowed from the county to that vendor, that 01:25:43
contractor. 01:25:47
So, umm. 01:25:50
We're going to look at that in a minute and there's still a money that I think can be wisely spent. 01:25:52
From that carry forward. 01:25:59
But we've already made some commitments, so it's getting down to where we need to be careful how we how we plan. 01:26:01
The next five years, and that's why. 01:26:07
I think A5 year capital plan is required, should be required. 01:26:10
I'm a budget. 01:26:14
For for our capital projects that we go forward. 01:26:16
And so that might mean that the team have to go back and look at the equipment again from A5 year perspective. 01:26:19
I think that's what we should do. We looked at it like from A2 year perspective, but I think we need to go back and redo that. 01:26:25
One hour and a half session. 01:26:31
And look at it from A5 year standpoint, what are we doing with equipment? 01:26:33
What are we doing with capital projects and at that time we would be working with because we would be closer to the budget. 01:26:37
We would be working with them. They're telling them exactly here's the carry forward that's available. 01:26:44
And we need to make sure that we don't exceed that level of. 01:26:49
Income both from revenue and. 01:26:54
I'll carry forward in the next 5 year period. 01:26:57
OK. Thank you. 01:27:00
Pavement preservation and and I show this slide. You've seen it before. 01:27:07
And it's got the herb numbers up there. Again, I hate to remind you of the core service for 84, but that's who we are. 01:27:11
That to show you that there's an expense associated with crack seal and chip seal. 01:27:19
And oftentimes I've had like 11 super. I've worked for 11 supervisors in my career with government. 01:27:24
And they always want to tell me that labor is free. OK, so let's assume that it is and that the labor for chip seal and crack seal 01:27:31
is free. 01:27:34
It's already embedded in the budget. 01:27:38
That the only difference in doing praxeo and chip seal is the material that we buy. 01:27:41
And and so these represent material costs. 01:27:47
On a per mile basis. 01:27:50
That 35 is very close. 01:27:52
I think the team is right now using like between 343334. 01:27:55
I rounded up to 35. 01:27:59
I've been using 35 for a long time, looking at different sources and our purchases. 01:28:01
Crack seal is an estimate of $10,000 per mile There. Crack seal material is expensive. 01:28:07
And we need to do crack seal and if we were to follow the textbook approach. 01:28:12
Of how often to do it. 01:28:17
And this is a. 01:28:18
Doing it every doing Crack seal every five years, the textbook says every three to five years. I just said let me use five years. 01:28:20
And and chips, he says every 7th to 10 years. Well, we may be chip ceiling every 15 years with. 01:28:27
Apparatus that we have we can probably extend. 01:28:33
Frequency on rural county roads in Gila County. 01:28:36
But if you were to follow this these numbers, it adds up to. 01:28:40
Almost $1,000,000 to do those two things. 01:28:45
OK, and you'll see a chart in a minute. That word shows that it's. 01:28:48
At the chip shield cost, it doesn't bring in the. 01:28:53
Cracks your cough is in some cases less than that on an annual basis and more than that. 01:28:55
In some other years when we do a lot of miles. 01:29:01
The double chip seal. 01:29:05
If we were to have to go back and replace. 01:29:07
Like cemetery? 01:29:10
There is a cost of souls. I put down $250,000 per mile. That's probably a low number. 01:29:12
And if we had to go back and and redo 6 miles. 01:29:18
Of roads every year. 01:29:24
And sooner or later we're going to be doing some of that, maybe not 6 miles that would be that cost. 01:29:26
Are to us OK. 01:29:31
Reconstruction Pavement. 01:29:33
And you hear over and over again, it's up to about $1,000,000 a mile to reconstruct pavement. 01:29:36
Takedown a pavement. 01:29:41
And put down a real pavement, not chips you. 01:29:43
And again, that's something. 01:29:46
That we ought to be looking for grant funding every time we do something like that. 01:29:47
Reef gravel. I don't have a cost there. 01:29:53
If you were to buy the gravel, it would be very expensive. It be. 01:29:56
And and if we were to replace gravel on our roads every 15 years? 01:29:59
Which textbook has every seven years? 01:30:03
But if we were to do it every 15 years. 01:30:06
It would be over $3,000,000 if we were to buy the material again. We're not buying the material. 01:30:09
And we don't do a lot of actual. We in the past have done some. 01:30:15
Graveling. We do a lot of spot graveling. 01:30:20
In Guy Silo, we elected to go out and revel the whole the entire community. 01:30:22
With three to four inches of gravel. 01:30:28
And we're going to see how that works out, how often we have to go back there. Maybe that diminishes the work for us long term. 01:30:30
If we do reraveling of community. 01:30:38
So we're keeping an eye out on casino to see how well. 01:30:40
Questions on that slide? 01:30:45
Chip, seal my compliment to Wayne and Joel again. They provided a very detailed. 01:30:52
Information, uh. 01:30:59
On a five year plan for chips. 01:31:00
And what you see here is that we're going to chip field in the spring of 2025. 01:31:02
Because summer doesn't start till June 22nd and we plan to have our chip shield done by then. 01:31:08
It adds up to 741,000. 01:31:14
Dollars and they are planning to do 26 miles. 01:31:19
That's a lot of miles. That's a record for us. That's the most we've ever done. 01:31:23
Of course, we are almost at capacity with our operators. I think we're. 01:31:27
Three. There are maybe 4. 01:31:32
Vacancies away. 01:31:35
From being fully staffed. 01:31:37
And so the, and you also see, because I asked the team, why don't we take some of those miles and push it out into the next four 01:31:40
years that you see? 01:31:44
On the right hand side and the pushback was. 01:31:49
Look at the mileage for Bixby Rd. it's 2 miles. Look at the mile for which field is 4 miles. 01:31:52
Hicks Rd. is 3 miles. 01:31:58
Fossil Creek is 3 miles, so you have these long section of growth where we are very efficient. 01:32:01
In chip ceiling. 01:32:06
And the team is welcome to push some of it out into the future. 01:32:07
Into fiscal year 26 if they want to, but right now they're committed to what's on what you're seeing on this piece of paper. 01:32:12
OK. And so that in fiscal year 262728 and 29, you see something like in miles, 8 miles? 01:32:19
4 miles, 11 miles and six miles. 01:32:26
Now for the last seven years. 01:32:30
We've been doing something probably an average of, say, 12 miles. 01:32:32
Here something like that. 01:32:36
Something in that neighborhood. 01:32:39
Double digit average for what we've done the last seven years. 01:32:40
So we're almost at the midway point of taking care. 01:32:44
Of our paved roads, one with at the midpoint. 01:32:48
We probably need four or five more years before we say we've done all that 200 miles of paved roads that we had. 01:32:52
Mm-hmm. 01:32:59
Oh my God, I'd like to thank you and the team very much for chip seedlings. 01:33:01
I can remember. 01:33:05
7-8 years ago they wanted to sell the lay down machine and subcontract over chip ceiling. 01:33:07
And and. 01:33:13
I I I know when we first started chip seedling it took. 01:33:14
Everybody and things were kind of scattered, but thank you very, very much for your persistence and working with. 01:33:19
Chip ceiling and I thank the crew very much for throwing in. 01:33:27
All hands on deck, all crews together. 01:33:31
Because it's made such a difference in our roads and able. 01:33:34
To make difference in our roads going forward because if we were to subcontract. 01:33:38
That out. 01:33:43
We would get way, way, way behind on roads because. 01:33:44
Be extremely expensive. 01:33:48
I just, well, we while we were on chips, you know, I just wanted to. 01:33:50
Thank you all very much for. 01:33:54
For creating a chip seal crew. 01:33:57
To help help us in the constituents with the roads that we deal with. 01:34:00
That the thanks, of course, belong to the team. 01:34:05
The group that sits back here and their operators. 01:34:08
They they actually you begin to see like re graveling of neighborhoods you begin to see. 01:34:12
Replacement of culverts. 01:34:18
Cleaning out culverts. 01:34:21
The team is taking on. 01:34:23
All the different things that are required for maintaining roads. 01:34:25
And they're doing that without necessarily getting a complaint from somebody. They're looking ahead. 01:34:29
And doing things that. 01:34:33
May not have been typical for us in the past. Maybe we didn't have the people for whatever reason. 01:34:35
They are doing these kind of things today. One of the. 01:34:40
The key things and I learned this. 01:34:43
I should have known this, but I I. 01:34:45
I don't mind saying I learned it from this house show. One time we're driving down. 01:34:47
I think it was Gibson Ranch Road and sees the shoulder, he says that you see the shoulders. 01:34:51
And I said yeah. 01:34:56
Well, the shoulders got a big drop off. It's eroded away overtime. 01:34:57
And he said with the COVID and not having but at one time they only had three people at the Star Valley Rd. yard. 01:35:01
We haven't been able to come back and repair those shoulders, but we need to get after those shoulders. That's critical when the 01:35:07
shoulders. 01:35:10
You wrote like that, then the pavement, the chip seal falls off. 01:35:13
And now you got a big mess and little things like that. They're maintaining shoulders on the road that really. 01:35:17
You didn't do the chip seal, you didn't change vegetation. People don't even see if they could repair that shoulder. But how 01:35:22
important is that? 01:35:26
Repair and the team is stepping up to those kind of day-to-day things. 01:35:30
So when we talk about our 24 mile per hour average that these operators maintain? 01:35:34
If you want to look at it that way. 01:35:41
It includes all aspects of maintaining a road we actually. 01:35:42
Little drainage areas and county manager Man Love and I have talked about that. If I come up with a list now, it's going to be 01:35:47
somebody else that has to come up with. 01:35:51
But if we if we generate a list that says, look, we're maintaining some drainage ways that have nothing to do with the road. 01:35:56
Would General Fund be able to pay for that? And the answer is they should pay for that. 01:36:02
If it's a ditch that's adjacent to the road and takes water from the road, no, that's part of a road system, Herb says. You can do 01:36:06
that with her. Funny. 01:36:11
But we, the team is just engaged in of these great variety of things, chips, you'll be just one of them. 01:36:17
And the chips, he was a great thing and the team has really. 01:36:24
Come along, they've got guys that love to operate that chip box, right? 01:36:26
That they're in the shade all day long maybe, I don't know. 01:36:31
But we have some excellent operators and backing up a 10 liter truck. 01:36:34
With the chip box rolling on a curb on some of these narrow roads. 01:36:38
You know what? What tremendous. 01:36:43
And they thought they didn't have that skill, but they did. They did. They never forgot how to how to chip seal and. 01:36:45
They come back in a brief fashion. 01:36:50
And we? 01:36:54
We had no choice. 01:36:55
We can't afford to pay for that. 01:36:57
We have no choice, OK? 01:36:59
That's that's who we are and. 01:37:01
And with $9 million, we have to do our own chips here. 01:37:03
OK, sorry. 01:37:07
Probably I don't want to destroy you. One last question because I can't run with this. Next time I'll shorten it up. 01:37:11
And go ask your question. OK, so this is a very, I'm going to call it simple spreadsheet. 01:37:17
So that we can look at it from a very high level. There's always a lot of detail behind these spreadsheets. 01:37:24
And the first 3 columns, fiscal year 2223 and 24 is just to show a trend. 01:37:30
OK, they're they're actual good numbers. 01:37:36
And we're looking at them in broad categories on a budget. 01:37:40
The first green line is revenues. How much money do we get? 01:37:44
And this is on the actual side. It's not that chart that I showed you at the beginning. 01:37:47
The chart that I showed you at the beginning was just three things, vehicle license tax, excise tax and hurt. 01:37:54
This one is the Forest Service gives us some money to do the EA. 01:38:00
On that. 01:38:05
Material bits, it'll show up here OK. 01:38:07
So it includes the big three plus little monies that we get from the floor service and other places. 01:38:09
But you can see that we get anywhere from between 9:00 and $11 million. 01:38:14
Of revenue that over the last four years. 01:38:20
And salaries have increased with inflation. 01:38:24
I would say. 01:38:28
And these are, but these are actual numbers. 01:38:30
If you were to look at the budget number, it's higher because the budget covers every position, even if it's vacant. 01:38:33
And so of course in in 2022, we had half the workforce that we needed. 01:38:40
So the number is only 3.3 million, but it. 01:38:46
But really the budget was much higher than 3.3. 01:38:49
And so when we budget that we had 4.3 million, but we only spend 3.3, then we take that $1,000,000 and put it in our carry 01:38:52
forward, you know it goes to our savings because we meant to spend that money. 01:38:58
But we've come to a point where we are almost full, where a handful of people away from being fooled in public works. 01:39:03
And so whatever budget you see the $4.5 million on fiscal year 2025, which is a budget number. 01:39:12
We're going to be somewhat. 01:39:19
Closer to that number that we've been in the past. 01:39:21
And that's a real number. That's something that includes all expenses associated with the employee, the health insurance and 01:39:24
everything else. 01:39:28
Is included in there. 01:39:32
We don't generate that number. Finance gives us that number, OK. 01:39:33
X number of employees means this dollar value. The only way to change that number is to diminish or increase the employees. 01:39:37
OK. The next number operating supplies includes chip seal and crack seal material. 01:39:45
OK. We don't consider chip seal and crack seal as capital improvements to the world. It's like grading a road and adding gravel to 01:39:51
it, OK? 01:39:54
So if they find those things find its way through the operating supplies and you can see how that has been increasing overtime. 01:39:58
And part of the reason is inflation. The other one is. 01:40:06
We're doing more chips here with Time goes on. 01:40:09
OK. And then capital transportation is capital project that we worked on? 01:40:12
In fiscal year 25, you see like a 2 million. 01:40:18
$2,000,000. 01:40:21
Uh, capital transportation in there. 01:40:23
Well, that is all a Forest Service money for the ropes that we're doing. They actually pay for us. We pay the contractor. 01:40:25
And so that $2.3 million is an expenditure. 01:40:32
If you go up the line on that budget line, you see where it's 11,000,000. 01:40:36
Well, that two points. So they paid us $2.3 million to spend $2.3 million. 01:40:40
So it shows up on the revenue side and then it shows up on the expenditure side, OK. 01:40:46
And they and they should be 0. 01:40:51
We got that much money from them. We spent that much money for that contractor. 01:40:53
Based on the agreement we have with them. 01:40:58
So you can ignore that 2.3 million. 01:41:00
It's unless we get some more Forest Service money to do other things. 01:41:03
So then we have another number called carry forward. 01:41:07
So in last year when we prepared the budget for 2025, we say we have $16,000,000, let's do some capital improvement and let's buy 01:41:10
some equipment. 01:41:15
And that $8 million that you see there is on the smaller box? 01:41:20
The one with the yellow highlight and I'm sorry, the screen's not showing you. 01:41:25
That a little bit there, but you've got it on your slide. 01:41:29
And it lists some things and we haven't spent all of that, OK. 01:41:32
We we, we haven't spent that, but most of these things or something that will like we have two motivators there. Maybe it's a 01:41:37
motivator and a dump truck. 01:41:41
So. 01:41:46
But most, but we do plan to spend many of these things. That's why I was talking about things that we've encumber, that we've 01:41:48
committed to spend. 01:41:52
That is going to use up that $8 million. 01:41:56
OK. And for instance? 01:41:59
We want to do Round Valley, get some rent. We're going to do that. When we budgeted, it was 1.6. Earlier I showed you with 1.5 we 01:42:01
want to do around Valley and it's going to be something like that with the current design that we have. 01:42:07
We're going to spend money on the Young Rd. design, we're going to contribute to the Smart Grant X amount money and we're going to 01:42:14
spend $200,000 on that. 01:42:18
We're committed to doing that. Monroe St. We're going to do that, OK. 01:42:22
At Houston Mesa. 01:42:26
There was an increase in cost. The board approved that we could spend that much more on the project. Maybe we're hearing it to be 01:42:29
less, OK. 01:42:33
So maybe it's going to be less than a million, but today we committed to spend 1.1 million on it. 01:42:37
And until the road is done, I can't. We can't just say we're going to spend less and then we run out of money and hurt. 01:42:42
OK, Town Site Act, we're going to do. Herf is going to do something with the Town Site Act. We want to do that. We want to be able 01:42:49
to. 01:42:52
Maybe put a road yard there or use them with your expand the material that once it's our property. 01:42:56
There so. 01:43:01
Whether it's exactly everything that you see on the list, or substitute for this. 01:43:04
That there's a great likelihood that either in fiscal year 25 or we take this commitment into 26. 01:43:09
That we're going to spend $8 million of that $17 million that we have available. 01:43:17
OK, as I carry forward. 01:43:22
And then we're left with. 01:43:24
I'm gonna say. 01:43:25
$8 million. 01:43:27
And change. 01:43:29
It's what it shows here, $8.7 million. 01:43:30
And change the carry carry forward. 01:43:33
Now, so you have $8.7 million to carry forward? 01:43:35
Should you spend that down even more is the question. 01:43:38
Should you take it down to 6,000,000? 01:43:43
And, and so you need to think about yourself. Well, have you talked yet Homer, about. 01:43:45
What grant, what local share we would need for Russell Row? Did we get that grant because on the bridge we spent $3,000,000 on a 01:43:49
$25 million project? 01:43:53
And have we talked about if we get the 512 grant for the 512, who's got the the local share, the $3,000,000 for that project, 01:43:58
because that's going to be a $20 million project? 01:44:03
OK, so who's got the $3,000,000? So we need to save some money for those opportunities. 01:44:09
We also need to save some money because if things don't go well in the economy. 01:44:15
Last time what ADOT did is they took her monies away from counties to use with their This is. 01:44:21
Safety operations or their Rd. operations. They took money away from the county. 01:44:28
So is it possible that our. 01:44:33
Revenue source could diminish. Yes, there is some possibility. Now is her going to go completely away? No. 01:44:36
OK. But it could be, it could diminish sales of gasoline could diminish? 01:44:42
The sales tax could be managed, so we need some buffer. 01:44:47
Is between 8:00 and $6 million in my opinion, OK. 01:44:50
And we would work with the county manager to arrive at that number. 01:44:54
So maybe we can spend a little bit of that money more. 01:44:58
But the bottom line is we're a year or two away from having to live within our means. 01:45:01
OK. And you don't mortgage your house based on the bonuses you get at work like I did at AT&T? 01:45:07
Give you a bonus every Christmas if you make profit. You get nothing that Christmas if you don't get if you don't make a profit. 01:45:14
Whatever the goal was. 01:45:20
When I went to buy a house it was based on my salary, not with my bonuses. 01:45:21
So the bonuses for us are the grants. 01:45:26
OK. Our salary is the model year. We get $9.3 million from three sources that we can mostly trust. 01:45:28
How do we spend that $9.3 million? 01:45:38
And that's what's in the model year. 01:45:41
We're not going to do away with employees. If anything, we need equipment and employees to do our work. They got to be balanced 01:45:43
and that was a great question that yet. 01:45:47
There's got to be balance between the number of equipment and the functionality equipment. 01:45:51
In the number of employees that we have. 01:45:55
And we need to take advantage of that. 01:45:57
So salaries is going to be 4 and a half million dollars. Well, that's almost half of the money that we get from the big three. 01:45:59
And then you have operating supply 3.2. 01:46:06
Well, to cut operating supplies, a big chunk of that is going to be the $1,000,000 for crack sealing tips here. 01:46:09
OK. And then all of the variety of things that we spend money on? 01:46:16
So that leaves you. 01:46:19
$1,000,000 or doing some pavement preservation, some bridge repairs right now. 01:46:21
A Dodger sent us the inspection of six bridges and they say five of them need guard rails. 01:46:26
So for instance. 01:46:31
So we need to find money to replace those guardrails. 01:46:33
So it's just $1,000,000. There's not a whole lot you can do with $1,000,000. 01:46:37
And that's why I say Chip CEO. 01:46:41
And the work that's going to be done on Cemetery Rd. where we mill the road, we pay somebody a little bit of money to mill the 01:46:43
road and we don't go double chip seal it ourselves. 01:46:47
It's going to be a solution for the county going forward and therefore capital equipment, we would have $600,000 left for capital 01:46:52
equipment. 01:46:55
And that's living within our means. 01:47:00
And then if we get grants, that's a bonus. 01:47:03
OK. But we need a little bit of leverage money to? 01:47:05
Get that graph. 01:47:09
Sometimes it's competitive that way. 01:47:10
So I just wanted to share that model year with you. 01:47:12
And, and, and for us to start thinking, for the county to start thinking about. 01:47:16
Yes, we don't want $16,000,000 laying around doing nothing. 01:47:20
We want to buy equipment and we want to repair roads that need to be repaired. 01:47:24
But we also need to start planning about what happens later on and that's why the five year capital budget is important for us to 01:47:30
do this year. 01:47:34
And if I was the board, I wouldn't approve her budget until somebody showed me that five year plan. 01:47:38
And the next day? 01:47:45
And I got three days left. First thing Friday. I need to do something. I got a half a day Wednesday. 01:47:47
Kerry is going to see a lot of me. 01:47:53
As I help with that, with that five year budget. 01:47:55
Because that's how important I think it should be for us. 01:47:58
Going forward. 01:48:01
OK, questions. 01:48:03
Mr. Chair. 01:48:06
So you touched on the Town Site Act. 01:48:07
Homer, that that's still kind of an unknown as far as the cost that's gonna. 01:48:10
Well, we're finally going to pay. Are the total cost of that correct? 01:48:16
Is a federal process. 01:48:22
Is US Map Petrol what he wants to do? He loves the idea. 01:48:25
Of having the county buy some property so he can get rid of. 01:48:30
Landfill that's on his property today. 01:48:34
OK, however, he doesn't control the chain. 01:48:36
He doesn't control. 01:48:43
Everybody. And so it's been slowing down. 01:48:45
Outside accident slowing down, but it's still moving forward. 01:48:48
There is. 01:48:52
The environmental assessment that looked at the cultural resources. 01:48:53
I have shown that there's probably more than what we expected. 01:48:59
And so we're trying to figure out what's the cost of that. 01:49:03
And how did that impact our ability to buy? 01:49:07
Close to 600. 01:49:09
Acres. 01:49:11
We may decide not to buy 600 acres when we see the number. 01:49:13
For the cultural resource remediation. 01:49:16
OK, but I think that there is. 01:49:20
Enough opportunity for us. 01:49:22
So at a minimum, acquire. 01:49:25
Area of land to give us a hundred year landfill. 01:49:28
Capacity. 01:49:31
And that that should remain our our goal and our objective. 01:49:33
What, Homer? What? 01:49:41
I I know you can't answer this. I'm I'm not asking anyway, what kind of time frame do you think it's going to take for us to 01:49:44
really? 01:49:47
Know what direction we're headed on that. 01:49:51
Is Scott Warren here I think. 01:49:56
We were talking this year at one time. 01:49:58
Call. 01:50:03
Yeah, that was, it was about a year. The whole thing was going to be two years from start to finish. 01:50:05
But that was like a year ago. 01:50:11
OK. 01:50:13
We we bring to the meeting a timeline and I think a couple of meetings ago it ended that we would be purchasing the property at 01:50:15
the end of this year. 01:50:20
Thank you. 01:50:28
And homeroom I would. 01:50:30
Agree with you that to have a carry forward. 01:50:32
It's very close to approximately 1 year's worth of expenditures I think is wise. 01:50:35
To have that much. 01:50:41
Because it's not like the money is evaporating. It might be eroding a little with inflation. 01:50:43
But if we got if we get caught with too little amount of money, that's by far worse. 01:50:48
Thank you. 01:50:56
OK. We have a couple more slides. I think that they have all to do with policy now and you've not probably seen some of these 01:51:00
things and their ideas. 01:51:04
And if you don't like them, you need to tell us, because we. 01:51:09
We would like to bring an ordinance to the board sometime in the future that talks about gold policy. 01:51:12
And that would include everything under a policy. So we have a country dirt Rd. policy that. 01:51:18
The previous County Attorney said was we shouldn't be using that. It was not a. 01:51:23
A valid way to bring new roads into the county. 01:51:28
So we've been using the primitive Rd. policy and the normal county highway policy to bring roads into. 01:51:31
We have a road abandonment policy that was. 01:51:36
That is subject to interpretation in some cases, and I'm trying to. 01:51:39
To remove the interpretation by a director of public works in making the decisions. 01:51:44
And it be clear. 01:51:48
And and and completely comprehendible what what our policies are. 01:51:50
And these are different documents, they're not the same documents. And I think, I think we ought to put that all on one either 01:51:54
ordinance or some policy. 01:51:58
Going forward. 01:52:01
And so these are. 01:52:02
Suggestions to the board to get your input so that staff can start thinking about what? 01:52:04
What should policy? 01:52:09
Robes look like for Himla County, OK. 01:52:11
So Homer, have you started drafting anything like that? 01:52:14
A long time ago. 01:52:22
There is something on the iDrive. 01:52:24
I hate, I hate to say this. 01:52:27
But Shannon couldn't actually help me draft. 01:52:29
Some of these documents. 01:52:32
And so they've been sitting there for a long time, and that's why I hate to say that. 01:52:34
But there's different versions and. 01:52:38
Some of the counties Mojave County has some great documents that can be can be utilized. 01:52:41
And no, there's not a good enough document that I can say there's a graph. 01:52:47
OK, OK. So County Road policies adding road to the county maintained Rd. system. 01:52:53
And currently we use, we actually go to Arizona Revised Statues, read it and say, oh, this is what we need to do. OK. 01:53:00
That as far as I know, we don't have a policy for doing that. We have a policy for Rd. abandonment. We have a policy for 01:53:07
primitive. 01:53:11
But for adding a road to county maintained Rd. system we open up. 01:53:16
ARS every time. And we look at it, and currently ARS tells us. 01:53:21
10 or more resident taxpayers petition the board. 01:53:26
The board directs the county engineer to make a survey or to provide existing survey map showing the road location. 01:53:30
The board rejects or accepts the fission, so you have a meeting to do that. 01:53:37
The board sets a date for a public hearing. You've been through this process before. You give notice to the public newspaper. 01:53:41
You have a public hearing where the board considers feasibility, advantage and necessity for the role. 01:53:47
And that the board determined that there's public necessity. It may then approve the role. 01:53:53
Via resolution OK. 01:53:58
Now another section of ARS 6705 that talks about public roads and St. maintenance. 01:54:00
Also says the Board of Supervisors may spend public monies. 01:54:07
For maintenance of public roads. 01:54:11
A. The roads or street shall be either one. 01:54:13
Laid out, open and constructed for the County Standard without cost to the county. 01:54:17
OK. Or it was completed via an approved plan? 01:54:21
Or it would laid out, open and constructed before June 13, 1990, even if not constructed the county standards. 01:54:26
And so those are the guiding documents that we use when we bring. 01:54:35
Here's a new. 01:54:39
Road that we would like to. 01:54:43
To the list of maintenance. 01:54:45
So, Mr. Chair, I make. 01:54:47
So Homer like for county standards? 01:54:49
Is that it addressed somewhere in older policy or? 01:54:52
Where, where we're SA? Where we gonna find that? 01:54:57
So we have a policy Rd. design. 01:55:01
Policy that public works. 01:55:05
Has created it's It's. 01:55:07
Many years old. It's 1015 years old. 01:55:09
And it's kind of like written. 01:55:13
Or subdivisions. You're going to build a subdivision. Here's what you need to do with the. 01:55:16
But it is our policy for world standards today. 01:55:21
I think I mentioned to the board that before it does not include a gravel Rd. in there because normally a subdivision would be a 01:55:24
paved subdivision. 01:55:28
OK. That's that's, that's the standard, mostly the standard in most of Arizona. 01:55:33
So. 01:55:37
So we need to include a gravel Rd. standard in there. 01:55:38
In the absence of that gravel Rd. standard, somebody brings a 20 foot rope to us and we talked about this at the right of way 01:55:41
ordinance. 01:55:44
And we approve it. Then we're stuck with a rope that's really not. 01:55:48
We can't really maintain something like that. You put 1m box on their water meter box. 01:55:52
It's very difficult then to maintain it in the future. 01:55:58
And so we need to and at the right of way ordinance, I shared with you a version of what I thought a gravel Rd. should look like 01:56:01
40 foot, right? 01:56:05
With enough room for the ditches and the utility easements along the side. 01:56:10
And two way travel. 01:56:15
11 foot wide. 01:56:18
Lanes basically. 01:56:20
They're not measured like on a paved Rd. but. 01:56:22
It would allow for 11 foot white roads. 01:56:24
And we do need to create in creating the accounting policy if the Board agrees that we should follow in that direction. 01:56:26
We would also need to go change Rd. design standard for the county. 01:56:33
Going to include gravel loaves. 01:56:38
So let me ask you this Homer center on the idea of policies when it comes to public works. 01:56:41
Your department. 01:56:47
Do we have a lot of? 01:56:51
I would imagine we have a lot of old policy in your department. 01:56:53
Is that right? I'm saying that or. 01:56:57
Yes, we have a lot of whole policies. 01:57:01
We discovered that with the Osho, he said. 01:57:04
That we had about a month ago. 01:57:07
We have a lot of policies. Some actually are good policies, and those policies haven't. That book hasn't been read in a long time. 01:57:09
And and and there. 01:57:16
For new employees and new supervisors, et cetera, and even the old supervisors, we. 01:57:19
We do need to take time to go read those policies and either get rid of them. 01:57:25
Or do you think so from us as a county standpoint in that? 01:57:29
That's just something we need to. 01:57:36
To clean up. 01:57:38
That's true. 01:57:41
Thank you. 01:57:45
OK, so. 01:57:50
There's nothing there because there's Allstate statute and summary fashion. 01:57:51
All right, so up. 01:57:57
If we were to have a policy, I think we ought to have like a road acceptance criteria. 01:57:58
We put a lot of burden on staff and on the board too. 01:58:04
To say here's a row. 01:58:09
There's a petition. Let's accept it. 01:58:11
And you may not think so, but I at heart want to make people happy. 01:58:13
And so when somebody asked for a petition, I kind of leaned to, I start with I'm going to see what I can do kind of idea, OK. 01:58:22
And in seeing what you can do, then you start to look for. There's one particular rule, and I'm going to mention that in a little 01:58:29
bit. 01:58:33
It's and it has a drainage problem. 01:58:38
And so I offer to the person, well, let's work on the drainage then. 01:58:42
And the position that we get into that we start to accept roads that are very difficult to maintain. 01:58:47
And we put a burden on the 32 operators to do that. 01:58:53
At risk of damaging equipment, damaging property and other things. 01:58:57
And we also incur a liability that that road is passable. 01:59:02
Under normal circumstances and it should be maintained in a normal fashion. 01:59:05
And so we. 01:59:10
We need to ask ourselves. 01:59:11
You know we keep accepting 20 foot wide roads. 01:59:13
We're creating problems for today and for tomorrow. 01:59:17
And we shouldn't be doing that. 01:59:20
And so I think an acceptance criteria. 01:59:22
A road acceptance criteria that is coupled with the state statutes. 01:59:25
Were incorporates part of what the state statutes have? 01:59:30
What would be a valid thing to have? 01:59:34
And we've used what you see up on the board here with some of the rows that we go visit. 01:59:36
And we take it and we show the people, here's our expectations. 01:59:41
The road needs to be 40 foot wide. It needs to have a travel way of 22 feet. 01:59:45
It needs to be dedicated. 01:59:50
Or have an Eastman. 01:59:52
It needs to be a good gravel Rd. because they're supposed to bring it to us at no cost to the county. 01:59:54
It means they have. 01:59:59
A traffic count that meets a certain criteria. 02:00:01
And I've got here. 02:00:04
Just put that number down 100. 02:00:06
Trips per day at in all sections of the road. Because the road starts at the beginning, it has a lot of traffic. 02:00:08
But if it's 10 miles long at the very end it has no traffic. Well, you don't want to maintain the whole 10 mile Rd. 02:00:14
Want to maintain the growth that has traffic? 02:00:19
That it served 10 homes. That it has mortgages. 02:00:22
That it has gets capacity for a 10 year storm. 02:00:25
That it has wasteful to shed water from the road drainage waste. 02:00:29
We need to look at the lower crossing. What liability are we current with the low water crossing? 02:00:35
If it's a dead end road or if we stop maintaining it, we need a way to turn around at the end. 02:00:41
It should connect to one of our county roads or state roads. 02:00:47
It required meets County Road standards. 02:00:51
OK, so we don't have a road standard today unless it's a paved Rd. but the rules we've been bringing in the last seven years have 02:00:55
not paid for roads. 02:00:59
So we we allow that and ensure because. 02:01:03
Most of our roads are gravel, but we need a standard for a gravel road to give a target to folks. What to do? 02:01:07
And what what year was it constructed? We need to know whether it was 1990 or. 02:01:14
Or to see what what level of. 02:01:19
Maintenance, we will provide the level, but something like we've used this for almost everywhere we go now. 02:01:23
When people say they want to add a road to the list of county Maintain Rd. which share these ideas with folks. 02:01:29
And it's helpful. I think that element was. 02:01:35
And that would be a part of the policy. 02:01:38
Would be a recommendation from staff. 02:01:41
Questions. 02:01:43
Another item that I wanted to bring up to you is that we do have a policy called the Dust abatement policy. 02:01:56
And there's a policy number there and it was approved back in 2020, actually not that long ago, I think it was. 02:02:06
The some. 02:02:12
The staff edited that policy. I think it's older than 2020. 02:02:15
It was a policy that is applied to reduce dust by providing a surface coat. 02:02:20
Of the following calcium chloride and magnesium chloride or lignin sulfate. 02:02:27
OK, so these materials need moisture to penetrate and so you need to put enough water on the road that the road is at least 6 02:02:32
inches deep. 02:02:37
With wetness. 02:02:42
And so when you put it on the top, the material seeks water and it goes into the gravel road. And so you end up with six inches 02:02:44
of. 02:02:48
Reinforce Gravel. 02:02:53
OK. 02:02:55
That later on, six months down the road or a year down the rule. 02:02:56
It starts to crumble and when you blade it, it comes out in big chunks. 02:03:00
OK. And that? 02:03:05
That's an experience that we have, that if you ask some of the folk here, they have similar experiences. 02:03:06
That's an experience that I witnessed in Navajo County back then. 02:03:12
It's short term and duration 6 months to a year. 02:03:17
OK. And it does cost money. Actually we haven't done it in a long, long time that I don't know what the cost for this material is. 02:03:21
But I would guess it's somewhere between 10 and $15,000 a mile. 02:03:27
But again it gives you very very short duration with the. 02:03:32
And in this policy. 02:03:36
They were asking the residents to pay 75% of the cost of that material and that the county would then bring the water truck. 02:03:38
Put water on the road and apply this material. 02:03:45
OK. And then something that I thought was. 02:03:48
Well thought out was that it's first come first serve. 02:03:54
And that it would limit it to the allocated font for the year. So the board would approve this year we're going to allow $50,000 02:03:58
for dust abatement. 02:04:02
And once you exhausted that, you wouldn't accept anymore folks that particular year. 02:04:07
On a first come, first serve. 02:04:12
So it's not like if. 02:04:13
People come and say do this for the 500 miles of. 02:04:15
Of of dirt growth that you have and then you don't have enough money to do it. So it'll allow for that anyway. 02:04:19
And it required a certain amount. In other words, don't ask the county to come put the dust abatement in your frontage. 02:04:27
Just, you know, the 200 feet that you have, but to the road it needs to be, in this particular case, at least one mile. 02:04:35
OK, so Homer, let me ask you on this one. 02:04:42
Because we have. 02:04:46
County roads. 02:04:48
That are that are obviously gravel or dirt. 02:04:50
In populated places. And so if it's our Rd. residents don't have to pay that 75%, right, Yeah. 02:04:54
They do. This is for everybody. 02:05:02
This was for resident on public roads. 02:05:05
They would have to pay for it. 02:05:09
That seems a little. 02:05:15
Little heavy to me, I guess because. 02:05:16
State statutes allow for something called a road Improvement District. 02:05:20
So you have a road that's maintained by the county of Gravel Rd. 02:05:23
And you want to pave it. 02:05:26
You form a district. I'm going to call it that. 02:05:28
And you have the county help you. 02:05:32
And you actually borrow money that then you repay. 02:05:36
With property taxes over the next 10 years. 02:05:40
And that's called a road Improvement District. 02:05:43
OK. And it's used, it was used in Navajo County. People wanted to, they were actually the road that I live on. 02:05:46
That happened to a 20 years ago. 02:05:52
And the subdivision was developed with gravel roads that people wanted, paved roads. 02:05:55
And they formed this district. 02:05:59
A hierarchy attorney that hierarchy engineer. It hired the contractor. 02:06:01
All under the supervision of the county. 02:06:06
And then they repaid that borrowed money. 02:06:08
Over 10 years via property taxes and assessment of their property. 02:06:13
So that's on a road that the county maintains. But what if we own the road? What if it's a County Road? 02:06:16
Umm, that road Improvement District would like to county maintain roads. 02:06:24
At the county meeting. 02:06:30
Really. 02:06:31
Most, most, I can't say most of our roads because we have so many for service roads, but. 02:06:33
Outside of the floor service both most of those roads there. 02:06:38
A small percentage or Eastman's. Most of them are. 02:06:42
County property. 02:06:45
Of the non Forest Service roads. 02:06:47
And so this would apply to. 02:06:50
The intention was that this applies to county maintaining roads. This policy. 02:06:53
I I guess maybe maybe I'm having a. 02:07:01
A moment here. 02:07:04
But I would think if the road is actually a dedicated County Road. 02:07:07
It would be our responsibility to do something like that. I can see if it's a maintained by the county. 02:07:12
More or less just. 02:07:19
What would you call it? 02:07:21
Whatever, but. 02:07:23
But if it's actually a County Road. 02:07:25
So I understand what you're saying. 02:07:29
OK. And. 02:07:32
People call us all the time and they say especially just recently because we have the dry spell. 02:07:35
And can you do something about my Rd. It's got a lot of dust and it's a gravel Rd. 02:07:41
And our typical answer is no. 02:07:48
We have 5 water trucks. 02:07:50
And you put water on it by the afternoon, you didn't put water on right. And so that's that's I almost the counter. We're spending 02:07:52
money for what reason? They're going to have dust tomorrow. 02:07:58
And we water all the roads every day. 02:08:04
Where do you stop? 02:08:07
And so you bought a property with a gravel roll, that's what. 02:08:09
That's what you paid for and. 02:08:14
We don't have a good answer. 02:08:17
Because. 02:08:19
Watering the road is not a good answer. It's it's even shorter duration than. 02:08:22
A test abatement policy that we have here. 02:08:27
And so if we were to do something different, we need to think about the cost. 02:08:30
Cost of us doing like dust abatement? 02:08:34
I would I would say. 02:08:37
Dust abatement using these three chemicals is is is is not a good use of our money. 02:08:40
If we really have a dusty Rd. that has a lot of traffic. 02:08:46
The county ought to say, well, should we be chip sealing some rules? 02:08:50
In the future. 02:08:55
Right, we add another mile of rope that we gypsy on. 02:08:56
And so in the blue section it talks about a similar policy. 02:08:59
For chip sealing that if somebody wanted this is. 02:09:04
Different than the county doing it. 02:09:07
It's a group of people wanted to have their road trip shield. 02:09:09
OK, now you do get rid of the dust in a more permanent basis. 02:09:13
And would they be in this blue section of this piece of paper, it says. 02:09:18
Would they? It would require them to buy the material and the county would put down the chair. 02:09:23
The county would do the chip seal if they buy the material. 02:09:31
Giving. 02:09:34
The citizens some alternate solution. Today they have no solution. 02:09:35
OK, if it's dusty, it's dusty. We're going to. 02:09:40
Chip dealer, No, we're not going to chip seal it. 02:09:43
And they would have a solution similar to a. 02:09:47
Information of a district and of course this is the first time that Jessica's listening to this, but it's modeled after the dust. 02:09:51
Pay that policy. 02:09:55
And so I thought it was valid to bring it to the table to all persons to see and hear. 02:10:00
And I'm looking for a way through. 02:10:06
I don't like to tell people it's dusty and we're not going to do anything. 02:10:08
OK, but that's what we've been doing. 02:10:13
Will we have and we have it. And I tell them, I tell them there's a dust pill at the policy. 02:10:16
And they don't like it. 02:10:21
Because because it cost them money and it is short duration. 02:10:23
And it's not 100% effective either. 02:10:28
So if we have a Rd. 02:10:34
It goes through a neighborhood and it's a County Road. 02:10:38
Not just maintained, but the county owns it. 02:10:41
We have chip sailed those roads before. 02:10:45
Those dirt roads? 02:10:49
And residents didn't pay the price on that. 02:10:51
And so I guess what I would say is when it comes to this particular page that. 02:10:55
I I don't know the answer, Homer, because I'm going to be the first one to tell you, you go buy a house down on a dirt Rd. You 02:11:03
need to you should have realized this dirt road and there is dust there. 02:11:07
But reality is given six months and they want something done with the past. 02:11:13
That's just the way life goes. 02:11:18
But. 02:11:21
I, I, I think I can already tell looking in the future right now that this page is gonna, there's gonna be some good discussions 02:11:23
on it because. 02:11:27
We still have quite a bit of those roads out there. 02:11:31
That we actually own that are counting roads. 02:11:34
Dedicated to the county. 02:11:38
That are dirt in the middle of subdivisions. 02:11:40
And I also know that we have chip sealed some of them and the residents, we didn't charge them. 02:11:45
All of those things are true. 02:11:52
And for lack of a policy, we've done what what a supervisor or a. 02:11:54
Road manager felt they should do at that point in time. 02:12:02
Yeah, it is a policy. Gives us guidance in the end. 02:12:05
If the board says we want to tip shield a mile, an additional mile every year. 02:12:09
We have to start with the highest traffic count. 02:12:14
And go from there. And that that may not be a bad a bad approach for some of these. 02:12:17
But it doesn't. It doesn't resolve people calling and saying. 02:12:23
What can I do? What other alternatives do I have? 02:12:26
And this was an effort to give them an alternative. 02:12:30
And I want to hear the. 02:12:34
The input that you're providing and I'm hearing it and so the staff here. 02:12:37
I'm not asking for a decision today. 02:12:42
I'm asking for you to offer import. 02:12:45
Because I think the board needs to come back with another work session that says here's. 02:12:48
What we envision to be a real policy for the county. 02:12:52
And then we can. 02:12:55
We can, we can. We can talk about this in more detail. 02:12:57
But. 02:13:01
In a roundabout way, when we improve things like a road going into houses, a group of homes or whatever. 02:13:04
We're also improving the property values to those houses when we do that. 02:13:10
Their property values will go up. 02:13:15
Which in turn means more tax dollars for us. 02:13:18
So it doesn't mean that we're just doing this and not going to see a return on it, because we are. 02:13:21
And so. 02:13:28
So there's a lot to this page, Homer, that yeah, absolutely in the future I'd. 02:13:29
I'd really like to see us discuss and. 02:13:34
See what we can workout or if this is it, this is it, you know, how do we need to go about it? 02:13:38
OK, very good. 02:13:43
The other item that I wanted to share the notion of a citizens committee, like a road Commission. 02:13:48
And the royal Commission? Their objective would be? 02:13:55
Provide input to the board on like for instance the right of way ordinance. 02:13:59
On the road policy ordinance that we were just talking about the potential for that. 02:14:03
On degrading and drainage ordinance. 02:14:08
On other public ordinances. 02:14:10
And the dust abatement or the chips you policies? 02:14:12
So, and again, this is is this something that? 02:14:15
Is the right timing for us and the right place and the right time for us to be thinking about these things? 02:14:21
They would. They could also review the petition to add roads. 02:14:26
In abandoned roads. 02:14:30
And make recommendations to the board similar to the Planning and Zoning Commission. 02:14:31
OK. And we could even if we wanted to. 02:14:35
Review our capital improvement plan. 02:14:39
Other counties have where they invite the citizens to come and. 02:14:41
There's the improvements that we're going to make in the next few years. 02:14:44
Tell us what you think and of course you'll always have the happy unhappy when you bring. 02:14:47
All the citizens in but these would be a group. A small group, 55 folks. 02:14:53
Trying to offer. 02:14:58
A third party input. 02:14:59
Into the things that we'd be bringing to the board. 02:15:01
For the board to review. 02:15:04
What, How? What would be your recommendation for selecting a group of these individuals? 02:15:07
I don't have a don't have a good recommendation for that. 02:15:20
I could just picture the right five and what that would be. 02:15:24
The alternative to this is, is is where you say, well, isn't that what the board does all the time? 02:15:29
And maybe we're enough of a small county that that is appropriate for the board to do all these things like they've been doing in 02:15:35
the past. 02:15:38
And that. 02:15:42
And that. 02:15:44
We invite the public through the. 02:15:45
Public meetings. 02:15:49
It's not like we're keeping the public away from. 02:15:50
Participating in all these things. 02:15:54
Did you ever hear about the committee that was formed to develop the horse? 02:16:00
And they came up with the camel. 02:16:05
So. 02:16:09
The. 02:16:13
Having the proper expertise to. 02:16:16
Come up with real solutions would be difficult I think. 02:16:19
And. 02:16:23
I get a lot of input suggestions already from the public. 02:16:26
And so then I can bring that to. 02:16:30
The discussion. 02:16:32
Probably. 02:16:34
Good input. 02:16:37
And these just ideas that we're putting things. 02:16:39
I think it really be cool to see where that went. 02:16:42
If you want my pens, it would end up with a committee that lives on a dirt road and you would be end up paving all of them and Mr. 02:16:48
Menlove would go nuts because we don't have the funding. 02:16:53
OK. 02:17:03
Next slide. 02:17:05
Discussion I I. 02:17:07
I understand the challenge, so let's move on to vehicle replacement. 02:17:10
So we have 14 vehicles that we're ready to purchase. 02:17:16
And again, this is a little bit of a policy issue. I'm not trying to write a policy or write an ordinance around this idea. 02:17:20
But the current strategy, we buy Ford vehicles and we buy them using a state contract. 02:17:28
It's a valid contract that we buy this vehicle from. 02:17:33
There actually is a Chevrolet State contract and on the right hand side of the slide you see the comparison of those two. 02:17:36
OK, the advantages of. 02:17:43
Buying a floor after having bought Ford for many years is there is a. 02:17:46
Maintenance familiarity. 02:17:52
And there is a user familiarity. In other words, the sheriff hops into that vehicle. He knows where the wipers are at, where the 02:17:54
turn signals are at. 02:17:58
Where the keys located, etc. 02:18:02
If you drive like I do, a Toyota, a Chevy, a Honda. 02:18:04
You get lost in what does what, so there. 02:18:10
At the advantage of maintenance and use familiarity. 02:18:14
The disadvantage is that we don't go out and test the market. 02:18:18
OK. We've got the state contracts here. 02:18:21
And we do that. 02:18:24
But we don't. Other than that, we don't really test the market. 02:18:25
We are using state contracts. 02:18:29
So we're not going out to. 02:18:32
Everybody can be it. And the last time that we did this, by the way, we have some people from outside of the United States that 02:18:34
actually did. 02:18:37
Unfortunately, because I didn't know if I could trust to bring those vehicles in. 02:18:41
In what condition they would be? They were high bidder, not a low bidder. 02:18:47
And so. 02:18:52
The question becomes if we go out to test the market that we open it up to all brands. 02:18:55
The other one is that we have the two contracts that we can compare. 02:19:00
And we can use the contract, we can say we can even look at the contract and say when we buy pickups, we're all going to be short. 02:19:05
When we buy something else, they're all going to be Chevrolet. 02:19:10
We could go that route. 02:19:14
Umm, in the mean time. 02:19:16
I think while we have procurement. 02:19:21
And General Services. 02:19:25
Talk about a way for us to go get competitive bids while we wait for that. 02:19:27
I think we ought to buy these 14 vehicles that we're ready to buy from. 02:19:32
Come forward and that we. 02:19:36
Examine how it is that we would be if we wanted to go out and test the marketplace. 02:19:39
That we figure out a way that we don't change every year, that this year for that it'd be like a five year contract. 02:19:45
Chevy, you came in a little bit. You got our business for five years. 02:19:52
4, you came in a little bit. You got our business for five years that we don't switch brands. 02:19:56
Every year. 02:20:02
And we find a mechanism to allow us to have a multi year contract, which of course that's possible to do. 02:20:03
And that we don't mix and mix the brands too much would be the recommendations to staff that would mostly buy forward, mostly by 02:20:09
Chevys? 02:20:13
But that's the strategy that we can work on. 02:20:18
To consider those kinds of things. 02:20:22
In the meantime, we have 14 vehicles that we've selected. This is fiscal year 25 budget money. 02:20:24
I can't. I'm not going to ask you to give me direction on that. 02:20:31
Because it's a work session. 02:20:35
Looking at Jessica. 02:20:37
But we, we, we will be coming to you with. 02:20:40
With that direction later on, I just wanted to share with you that I think. 02:20:44
I hear Supervisor Humphrey always asked us how do we know that these are competitive? 02:20:49
OK. And we've listened to that. 02:20:55
And we started down the road of Let's go out and. 02:20:58
And we said, wait a minute, we need to get a little bit more direction from the board if we're going to go that route. 02:21:01
And determine. 02:21:07
How much of one brand can we have versus the other? 02:21:10
And what do we do year after next, et cetera, the things that I brought up? 02:21:13
And so any comments on that without direction? 02:21:18
Chairman, member Supervisors, it is OK for the board members to have a discussion about. 02:21:25
Guidance. They're not going to be making an action item today, but being it is a work session. 02:21:32
We are having. 02:21:37
A meeting that's open to the public, it is OK for them to have that discussion. 02:21:38
Thank you. 02:21:42
So I can speak, Jessica. 02:21:44
Yes, thank you. 02:21:47
Homer D When it comes to, let's just say the Sheriff's Office, do they seem to have a preference? 02:21:50
Or voice to preference. David, maybe you're the one to ask this about. 02:21:55
But. 02:22:00
Chairman. Members of the board. 02:22:09
Anytime you talk to a deputy, you're going to get a different opinion, a different thought. 02:22:11
For the most part. 02:22:17
Most of them seem OK with the expeditions we have been buying. 02:22:18
At times when, like when we go out to buy the canine vehicles, they do prefer the Tahoes. 02:22:23
As some of the issues with the the expeditions do not like the long idle times which we don't have the issue. 02:22:29
Tahoe So there is a preference there when it comes to canine units. 02:22:37
Other other than that, they they're pretty, pretty happy with what we have combined them. 02:22:41
So, David, let me ask you this while you're up. 02:22:46
So like your mechanics? 02:22:49
Are they? 02:22:51
Are they pretty well trained on whether it's a Ford or a Chevy or we kind of just continue to lean towards the Ford side? Most of 02:22:53
our training is through Ashley Ford's training program. It's the exact same training that Ford Mechanics received when you work 02:22:58
for dealership. 02:23:03
So most of our training is geared that way. 02:23:08
I mean, if you can change oil, you can change oil anything and then change brakes. You can do brakes and anything, but when you 02:23:12
really start getting into like the. 02:23:15
The more complicated issues it really helps to have one make or one make and as fewer models as you can. 02:23:20
It just, you know, they have more familiarity with the problem. 02:23:27
Associated with those vehicles and. 02:23:31
It just it reduces downtime of our vehicles. So it does help in that aspect quite a bit. 02:23:33
Thank you. 02:23:39
You're welcome. I don't leave yet. 02:23:40
Yeah, I'm the one, OK. I've driven Ford, Dodgers, Chevys. 02:23:45
If I'm overseeing the constituents X. 02:23:50
Funds. 02:23:54
And well spent. 02:23:55
And there's ten $15,000 difference on a vehicle. 02:23:57
If I got to go up to Young tomorrow, I don't care if I'm in the Dodger before it, as long as it gets me from here to there. 02:24:02
And and that's my point of view on these vehicles. 02:24:09
Is because we're stewards of the tax dollars and. 02:24:13
Sure, I would like to eat filet mignon every night. 02:24:17
But you know what? 02:24:20
It's easier to cook, it's easier to go get. But maybe I can't. 02:24:21
Budget that. 02:24:26
And, and so, you know, I, I think we're living in a world where everybody's gotta. 02:24:28
Got a kind of deal with what they can afford. 02:24:33
Not what's easier for them or best. 02:24:36
For them. 02:24:40
They have to do they have to live within their means. 02:24:41
And, and that's kind of where I'm at with these with Fords and, and so when I see a bit, I love this is the first time that I've 02:24:44
ever seen the the. 02:24:49
Comparable bid between a Chevy and a Ford. 02:24:54
If we need 10 three quarter ton vehicles, I'll. 02:24:58
Want to see what Dodge is? 02:25:02
I want to see what Chevy has and I want to see what Ford has. 02:25:04
And justice, because that's good this year. Why should I tell Dodge? OK, you've got the lowest bid. You're gonna have it for the 02:25:08
next 5 years. Uh oh. You're training for Ford. I better send the guys to the Dodge school. 02:25:13
I mean, like you said, if you can change oil, you can change oil on anything. 02:25:19
And and so that's my two cents on these vehicles. I, you know, I think. 02:25:23
I think. 02:25:28
I think putting all your eggs in one basket is not a good thing and I think we need to be good stewards when we shop. 02:25:30
For what we need. 02:25:37
To operate from day-to-day. 02:25:40
And I. 02:25:44
I'm totally for going One Direction. 02:25:46
If that's the most cost efficient direction. 02:25:49
But I'm 100% against it if it's not. 02:25:52
The best cost option? 02:25:56
For what we get from our dollar. 02:25:58
OK, I wait. 02:26:01
Yeah. 02:26:03
So a lot of good points. 02:26:07
So I presume though, that part of your job is to examine. 02:26:11
This idea of maintenance familiarity. 02:26:15
Familiarity with. 02:26:19
Usage from one deputy to another. 02:26:20
As an example. 02:26:23
And also a supply of parts and spare parts, oil filters, air filters. 02:26:25
Tires, the brake linings, all of those things. 02:26:31
That if there was a multitude of brands coming in, you'd have to have a multitude of supplies. 02:26:35
And training to do that. 02:26:42
So have you ever done a cost? 02:26:44
Benefit ratio of having. 02:26:48
Familiarity in one brand. 02:26:51
Versus a multitude of brands. 02:26:55
And compare that to the vehicle costs. Have you ever? 02:26:59
Done that. Not on the park side of it I have OK. 02:27:02
OK. 02:27:06
Yes, Sir, a question. 02:27:08
Inventory parts with you. If you get a vehicle in that needs brakes, do you call Napa and get the brakes or do you just go in your 02:27:10
backroom and grab them? 02:27:14
When it comes to stuff like Bryce, we call town in order what's in town, OK, So most of the parts you get for the vehicle that 02:27:19
you're putting the parts on, you don't have a supply warehouse. 02:27:24
The only thing we keep on hand would be oil filters, air filters, your common maintenance item. 02:27:30
OK. But they you can get those at Napa tomorrow if you need them. 02:27:35
For the most part, yeah. OK, Thank you. 02:27:39
All right. Thank you. Thank you. 02:27:42
Thank you, that was good input. 02:27:48
We have, I think. 02:27:50
We need to make sure we're getting our money's worth. 02:27:55
Every time we go out and acquire something. 02:27:59
OK. 02:28:04
Next slide is. 02:28:07
This is something from last time. 02:28:09
Want to share with you that we have an apprentice. 02:28:11
Working with us. 02:28:14
And in the. 02:28:15
Star Valley Rd. Yard. 02:28:18
In this person is coming along really nicely. 02:28:20
We'll get a CEO and that's going to workout. 02:28:24
We aren't utilizing the apprenticeship program as much as we had in the past because we're almost full. 02:28:27
We would like for the progression from operator to senior operator to take place, but. 02:28:34
Very few of our operators are taking advantage of that. One of them is the limited availability of the LCAP courses. 02:28:39
And I think the team needs to go back and look at the policy and say it doesn't have to be LCAT. 02:28:46
It can be something equivalent to LPAP that requires a test any certification. 02:28:50
On that topic. 02:28:55
And then if they meet those sixteen classes that they were asked to take. 02:28:57
Wherever they get that. 02:29:02
Wherever they get to take that class, whether it's El tap, some other. 02:29:03
Training school. 02:29:07
That they were qualified to move from operator procedure. I'm just trying to find something that says this. These employees 02:29:09
acquired this knowledge one way or another. 02:29:14
We have a certificate to show that they did. 02:29:19
And that we could note that they could move from operator, senior operator. 02:29:21
Under the same conditions that we envisioned before. 02:29:25
X amount of time with the county. 02:29:28
Can operate 2 vehicles. 02:29:30
And by the way, from the work that we did with OSHA, the team. 02:29:32
Got together and. 02:29:36
Created a knowledge test for every piece of equipment. What do you need to know for us to. 02:29:38
To feel that you have a sufficient knowledge to operate this equipment. 02:29:44
And then a skill test as well. 02:29:48
And they've got 2 pieces of paper that will go into the employees file that would that would say. 02:29:50
This person met our requirements to operate a motivator, signed off by the operator, signed off by the supervisor. 02:29:56
And we have that. 02:30:03
Those documents, we're doing that now. 02:30:04
To satisfy some of the OSHA requirements. 02:30:07
And that gets very well into this policy here. 02:30:09
Progression, however, we haven't. We haven't. 02:30:12
Progress. 02:30:16
I think anybody from operator senior operations we implemented the system. 02:30:18
And I'm just looking for us to be able to do that. 02:30:22
And so later on. 02:30:25
The team is going to be bringing to the board some recommendations on how to improve that particular policy. 02:30:27
Questions on that? 02:30:35
Mr. Chair, Homer, I got a question on the CDL part of it. 02:30:38
Is Wayne, are we still working on CDL's in house? 02:30:43
Yeah, OK, cool. 02:30:50
And it's coming along good. 02:30:51
I got. 02:30:54
Two guys testing right now. 02:30:56
Oh, thank you for that. 02:30:58
Anything else? 02:31:03
We're down to the last slide here. 02:31:05
So I it. 02:31:11
Any any other questions or thoughts? 02:31:13
Well, I'll say thank you for the presentation. We've got 26. 02:31:17
Solid pages of information. 02:31:22
That helps a lot to understand where we are. 02:31:25
And the direction we're going. 02:31:29
Appreciate you very much. 02:31:31
Thank you. 02:31:33
I want to some thought I had some thoughts I wanted to share with you before I. 02:31:34
Podium. That's OK. 02:31:39
So I've been with Gila County for seven years. 02:31:43
And I want to thank you for having me as part of your team. 02:31:46
OK, I've enjoyed the challenges. 02:31:52
And the team. 02:31:55
That's here with me today and the team that's in front of me or all around me today. 02:31:56
Allow me to walk away with a sense of fulfillment and accomplishment. 02:32:02
And at the beginning when I decided to retire, there was some regret, but somewhere a couple of weeks ago I got over that for some 02:32:07
reason. 02:32:11
And I'm looking forward to the retirement now. 02:32:16
And you know, I there's a couple of books that I like, you've heard me say planning. 02:32:19
Plants are nothing, Planting is everything. But I've got another one that I read somewhere along the way from the greatest 02:32:24
scientist of all times, Isaac Newton. 02:32:28
Except that if I've done something, it's because I stood on the shoulder of giants. 02:32:32
In other words, you only do things because you have a team. 02:32:36
And support from people. 02:32:39
You don't. You're almost nothing happens by yourself. 02:32:41
OK. And so I've been blessed there be with good people here in Hewitt County. 02:32:44
And so the board actually. 02:32:50
Want to thank you for enabling that to happen. 02:32:53
For your support and your trust that you have of me. 02:32:56
And I walk away thinking that you're the greatest supervisors and. 02:33:00
Any county in state of Arizona? 02:33:04
And to the county manager, James Pantaleo, thank you for. 02:33:08
Your support and your friendship. 02:33:12
I really don't. You and I don't talk about friendship. We. 02:33:14
Business driven all the time, but somewhere in the back is something that says. 02:33:18
We like to work together. 02:33:24
And I want to thank you for that. 02:33:25
And all the other organizations. I see so many faces here. 02:33:28
County Attorney Finance. 02:33:32
GIS. 02:33:36
It's just a big group of folks that I get surrounded by the PR department. 02:33:38
That have allowed me to do the things that I need to do. 02:33:44
While getting the support of these various organizations. 02:33:47
And of course. 02:33:51
That public works team. 02:33:52
I leave behind. 02:33:55
Folks that can do that can do attitude. 02:33:56
That have accomplished a great many number of things. 02:34:00
And have many molecular accomplishment. 02:34:05
Actually there's there's been some great things that have happened. 02:34:08
In the last seven years. 02:34:10
I can't even take credit for some of them. The bridge got started long ago. 02:34:12
As a for instance, but I got to see the bridge reach its conclusion. 02:34:16
And there's just been a lot of things that. 02:34:20
Public Works is done and is doing. 02:34:22
That weren't being done in years past and. 02:34:25
And it's because of you. 02:34:29
Whatever we've done. 02:34:31
Because of the folks that are in this state in this room, I see Aaron Carter go back there joining us now. 02:34:33
Thank you, Aaron. 02:34:38
Hope that the adequate audit went OK. 02:34:40
Perfect. So anyway, just. 02:34:43
I don't know what went off for my. Thanks. 02:34:47
And my respect and my friendship. 02:34:49
Everybody here. 02:34:54
All right, And I will be enjoying my retirement. I. 02:34:55
Actually enjoys whatever I do. Still be honest with you. I'm retired or I'm working or if I live in Omaha or Venezuela or Phoenix 02:35:00
or. 02:35:04
Work for Gila County. I find a way to enjoy what I do. 02:35:09
And I've always done that and. 02:35:13
Whether in retirement I'm going to do the same thing, why wouldn't I do that right? 02:35:16
So again, thank you very much. 02:35:22
Homer, thank you. 02:35:24
We need to have a photograph with Homero. 02:35:37
So let's do that now. 02:35:39
EBay that wants to be in it. Come on, Mr. Chairman, could we have a picture with Cassandra? Are we going to try and get an image 02:35:42
back of Payson? 02:35:46
And. 02:35:53
James has a few words. Go ahead, James. 02:35:55
And Michelle and I want to express appreciation to. 02:35:58
First of all, Public Works team, I know that you guys all want to be out in the field and that you love what you're doing and to 02:36:01
be here has been. 02:36:05
Sacrifice for you, so I appreciate that. 02:36:09
Homer, if I have had a number of conversations over the past. 02:36:12
A couple months. 02:36:17
As he's prepared for this change in his life. 02:36:18
He's expressed repeatedly the confidence he has in each of you as public works team. 02:36:21
That you each love your jobs, that you are competent and able to do the things that you. 02:36:27
Have signed up to do. 02:36:33
And I appreciate that recognition from Homer because I. 02:36:35
I respect Homer. 02:36:39
To the ultimate. 02:36:40
And his high opinion of you? 02:36:42
Means is very meaningful to me. 02:36:45
I've worked with Homer and considered him a friend for close to 20 years. 02:36:48
But we have been able to work together. 02:36:53
And it's been a great partnership. I know that Homer talks about his time in Venezuela. 02:36:56
And he worked for AT&T, that he was. 02:37:03
Sent down to Venezuela, to a factory that was losing money but not efficient, was not able to do the things that AT&T needed them 02:37:05
to do. 02:37:10
And they sent Homer down there to fix. 02:37:15
That factory. 02:37:18
They said, oh, by the way, you not only have. 02:37:20
Not the money that you have been receiving down there. We're going to cut your budget. 02:37:24
Take money away from you. 02:37:28
And still, that's your job to go make it work. 02:37:30
Homer approaches that, and everything he does is that he finds a way to make it work. He's. 02:37:34
A master of looking for efficiencies and mastering of being able to. 02:37:39
Find ways to do things. 02:37:43
To make them work. 02:37:45
And I am grateful that he is. 02:37:46
Demonstrated that and worked with us here at Gila County. 02:37:49
To be able to. 02:37:52
Find ways to make things work. 02:37:54
Though I will admit, Homer, in your presentation today, I'm sitting here with an empty pit in my stomach. 02:37:56
Of wondering how. 02:38:02
We can get this done. 02:38:03
Because the roads are. 02:38:05
Is the biggest. 02:38:07
I would say one of the biggest things, if not the biggest thing. 02:38:09
That our residents are constituents of our board. 02:38:12
That they are concerned about. 02:38:15
Safety of being able to travel from here to there from. 02:38:18
From grandma's house to home and those kinds of things. 02:38:21
You and the public works team have been. 02:38:26
Worked at and done a tremendous job. 02:38:29
And making that work for us. 02:38:32
I don't know how. 02:38:34
With the revenue numbers and at the state legislature, the federal government. 02:38:36
Their opinions? Our funding is just absolutely fine. 02:38:41
We do not need another pin. 02:38:45
And as I've gone to meetings over the last couple of years, that's repeatedly been told that we our funding is fine. 02:38:47
It is not. 02:38:53
And we need to continue to work with our legislators and those that. 02:38:55
The opportunities to find. 02:39:00
Additional resources for. 02:39:01
But Homer, thank you. 02:39:03
I appreciate you. 02:39:05
I will miss you tremendously and. 02:39:06
Your mentoring of me. 02:39:09
And your guidance and direction and justice, the ability to. 02:39:11
Sit down and philosophize. 02:39:15
How do we do the jobs that we're? 02:39:17
And have been. 02:39:21
Sent to do has been immeasurably good and beneficial to me. 02:39:23
And I thank you for all that you do. 02:39:29
And for our friendship and. 02:39:31
Relationship we've had for nearly 20 years. 02:39:34
Thank you. 02:39:38
Thank you, James. 02:39:40
And uh. 02:39:41
Omar, you've lived a full life. 02:39:43
You've really worked hard for Gila County. That's really obvious. You've contributed a great deal. 02:39:45
Go have some fun. 02:39:51
You will be missed and it'll be hard to. 02:39:53
But we're going to try and carry on. 02:39:58
So you have fun and keep in contact. 02:40:01
Anything else before we move to our next item? 02:40:06
Oh yes, you know, to me. 02:40:09
When I had my construction company, I had a team on the, on the, on the, on the board where all our jobs were. 02:40:12
Together everybody achieve more. 02:40:18
And when you run for supervisor, you're not sure what you're getting into. 02:40:21
But when I first became a supervisor. 02:40:25
It seemed as if in a lot of places the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. 02:40:28
When you got 600 employees and all the different departments. 02:40:34
It seemed kind of. 02:40:38
Different to me. 02:40:40
Until Homero came. 02:40:42
To heal count. 02:40:44
And Omero, to me, you, you put you brought team to heal county. 02:40:46
You refer to your team. 02:40:52
You talk about your team. 02:40:54
But in my opinion, as a supervisor for the last eight years. 02:40:56
You're what Brought team. 02:41:00
He'll account to get us all trying to work on the same page and work together. 02:41:02
So you're retiring, but a part of you know it's going to be here because we're going to try to keep these teams together as tight 02:41:08
as we can. 02:41:11
And you also left your phone number. 02:41:15
And I can't believe you will ever fully retire. 02:41:18
If we have an ordinance or something that we need to work on. 02:41:22
But it's been a great privilege, too. 02:41:27
Work with you. 02:41:30
The uh. 02:41:37
You know, we hear it often. 02:41:39
You know, we've accomplished this. We've accomplished that. We've done whatever. 02:41:42
And when they say that they're looking at US 3, but they need to turn and look at everybody that's in the state. 02:41:47
It's it's, it's not us. It's, it's everybody that we have working for us and and that that. 02:41:52
Drives these projects. Drives these accomplishments. 02:41:59
We're just here to work for you to try and get things done and be as. 02:42:02
The most efficient that we can and and Homer you've been just a. 02:42:06
Terrific player that. I mean, you've done awesome and you have a huge department that you've done very well on. 02:42:10
You can look at the team members here that you've got here today and. 02:42:18
And everybody and, and where you've, you've came to and, and I want to say I really appreciate that because. 02:42:22
It is on us three to set up here and accomplish things. It's you guys down there. 02:42:30
That are the ones that accomplishes everything. 02:42:36
And Homer, like said, we will miss you, there's no doubt. 02:42:39
And maybe we'll drag that position out for a while and see where you really end up at. 02:42:42
And. 02:42:48
So if you get bored, don't hesitate. Just give James a call and. 02:42:49
See where we're at? 02:42:53
Thank you for everything, Homer. 02:42:55
OK. 02:43:03
Call to the public item number 3. Is there anyone in Globe, Payson or on the Internet? 02:43:05
To speak to the supervisors. 02:43:11
Note item number 4 is our reports. 02:43:15
Manager Menlove. 02:43:20
Just that there's refreshments, everybody. 02:43:21
Please stick around and have some refreshments and. 02:43:23
Congratulate home. We're on his retirement. Thank you. 02:43:27
Supervisor Humphrey. 02:43:30
Yeah, I met with our lobbyists to discuss legislation on unarmed and blighted properties trying to get. 02:43:32
Something going for the Legislature, perhaps? 02:43:39
In this coming year. 02:43:43
I met with the county manager and head of facilities and and. 02:43:45
County Buildings and Mr. O Driscoll. 02:43:50
On talking about, you know, some of the county projects that were. 02:43:53
We're faced with and and just to help me. 02:43:57
Get more in tune with what's going on. 02:44:01
Met with the Ida members and the County manager to discuss the Idas vision and plans. 02:44:04
See if they can't get something together. 02:44:11
Try to bring before the board and see if we can't. 02:44:14
Help them get in a direction. 02:44:17
Hopefully that was a good meeting and we get some results out of that. 02:44:20
And then I'll hold a project team meeting. 02:44:25
On Wednesday with Public Works. 02:44:29
And that's about all I have, Mr. Chair, I think your supervisor. Supervisor. 02:44:32
Earlier day we had a coalition of counties meeting here. 02:44:39
In Globe. 02:44:42
I'm the chair on it right now, but there'll be another lady taking over in July and she's from New Mexico, so. 02:44:44
That was all said, a lot of good discussion in that and. 02:44:50
That's about it. 02:44:54
Thank you. All right, thank you. 02:44:56
I'm only going to mention one thing and that is tomorrow. 02:44:58
The northern Gila County will We're hosting the. 02:45:01
Pre fire season meeting. 02:45:06
And I think we're going to be hoping for a light fire season. 02:45:08
But. 02:45:14
We're not sure. 02:45:16
If the weather keeps going as dry and hot as it is. 02:45:18
We might be facing some challenges, but we have made great progress with our water. 02:45:22
Tanks and all of that. So we have some good reporting there we're probably going to have around. 02:45:28
60 people there or so right in that vicinity so. 02:45:33
It's always encouraging to have that. 02:45:38
And that's all I have. So if there is nothing else then we are adjourned. 02:45:40
Refreshments. 02:45:45
Thank you. I don't understand. 02:46:06
Know. Thank you. 02:46:16
Them and they get together. 02:46:59
Are you bionic? So if you hear ankle parents, grocery gap. 02:47:37
All of this. 02:48:16
Now they've got a younger. 02:48:58
So much. 02:49:14
We can do that. 02:49:34
Yeah, no, I mean, it's like. 02:49:39
It won't be an issue again because. 02:49:49
Thank you. 02:49:57
Yeah. 02:50:11
I just want to say hi. I don't think we're going to get. 02:50:20
Which is sort of an original thing to say. 02:51:33
Sorry. 02:52:01
We're good, we're good. 02:52:03
But no problem. 02:52:06
You know. 02:52:47
You guys are. 02:53:30
Went kayaking out on the. 02:55:04
Yeah. 02:55:46
And then we'll come up with a target. 02:56:45
Which is really. 02:58:03
I just want to stop it. I appreciate that. 02:58:47
Nobody. 02:59:24
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Friends. 03:36:35
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Don't worry about it. 03:36:46
I mean, they're every little thing. 03:36:50
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Resolving the world from. 03:37:07
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Unpleasantly hot temperatures are expected. 03:39:42
Sunny. 03:39:50
Overnight. 03:39:53
Increasing cloudiness around 62 for Wednesday. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 82. 03:39:54
Hit from wind gust to high as 20 mph. 03:40:02
Mostly cloudy. 03:40:07
Around 58. 03:40:10
Thursday, first time. 03:40:11
Behind You 84. 03:40:13
Wind from 10 to 15 mph comes rough up to 25 mph. Clear on Thursday night around 56. 03:40:15
Friday into Saturday, mostly sunny days tonight. 03:40:24
Just up to 30 mph nighttime. 03:40:30
People are still doing this, but you know, texting while driving. 03:40:34
Is not only dangerous. 03:40:39
It can be deadly. 03:40:41
It's also against Arizona law. 03:40:43
Do everybody a favor, including yourself, please. 03:40:46
Put the phone down. 03:40:50
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I'm guilty. 03:47:12
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You're not going to spend $200,000. 03:47:22
What can I say in your heart? 03:47:49
I mean, it's just. 03:48:23
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Four weeks or four months? 03:53:47
That kind of that kind of good. 03:54:04
I foreign. 03:54:08
Yeah, what else we. 03:54:10
You don't have the time. 03:54:26
Probably. I like Alex. He's he keeps growing so that's good. 03:54:53
Yeah, he's. 03:54:57
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I don't know, I could be. 03:58:52
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I got no time to ever find. 03:59:02
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People know my name. 03:59:33
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I gotta crack my back. I gotta be somewhere. 03:59:49
Smile and do my show. I travel. 03:59:55
I guess I'll always be just the road. 04:00:07
Fortune. 04:00:14
That won't mean a thing if I'm not wrong. 04:00:28
People call it a teenage. I know some people say they envy me, but I guess they've got no way of knowing. 04:00:34
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See if Miss Kathy is going to show up. 04:23:06
I don't know if she has an item on here. 04:23:10
Oh yeah, they've got a few items on here. 04:23:15
That **** that goes on in government office and should we got? 04:23:17
See, now and then Josh just sent me. That's not my comment. 04:23:23
Who's on stay home department? 04:23:28
Called an immediate. 04:23:29
And rumor has it. 04:23:34
Hey, Cynthia's room is currently on an elephant carbon out of their entitled building you take. 04:23:37
Apartments. 04:23:45
Now. 04:23:48
Like it's good to see the state. 04:23:52
Don't go to heaven together going through the same issues that you're looking. 04:23:55
Heads are going through now and we have to go through so far. 04:23:59
I understand. Sure you miss. 04:24:03
Oh, it is a military motto. Oh yeah, You know what? 04:24:06
You don't even want to look at. 04:24:11
People will share. 04:24:12
Who requested Colin? 04:24:18
OK, OK. 04:24:20
They'll just come in whenever they're ready, OK? 04:24:22
So I was going to take this. 04:24:35
20 lbs. 04:24:43
10O15 How much are we going through? 04:24:51
We'll have to look back. 04:25:09
I was 10 but it seemed funny. 04:25:12
They would need to. 04:25:20
Actually. 04:25:24
Yeah, most of the needs to do it. 04:25:31
Hello. How are you? Goodbye. 04:25:42
I missed you today in the penalty. 04:25:46
I came in. 04:25:49
When I left for a minute. 04:25:53
Yeah, minute right for you timing me, Michael. So Melissa, Melissa asked me. 04:25:54
Saw your stuff in person and she goes. 04:26:03
Yeah, I think Tiffany's been gone for a while. 04:26:07
For a while, yeah. And so, yeah, I was like, yeah, I gotta go run in here, yeah. 04:26:13
Along Hey, good, how are you good design. 04:26:20
Right, they are not. We need the reclining that like at Costco, you go. They like their massage chairs. 04:26:26
Like 538? Those would be awesome. Yes. 04:26:34
We can go ahead and start. There we go. 04:26:40
OK, Merritt and Olivia are here on the phone too. 04:26:43
Did you want to say something? 04:26:49
We'll go ahead and get started then if we're ready. 04:26:53
You're speaking Kilo. 04:26:59
Sounds like Marion. 04:27:01
OK, yes, this is Merritt, Olivia. 04:27:04
Hi, Olivia. 04:27:07
Do you girls want to get it started with the agenda item 2 The presentation? 04:27:10
Sir, this is just a regular uh. 04:27:17
Monthly presentation of. 04:27:20
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