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 1.  CALL TO ORDER - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE    REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS:

 A.  Information/Discussion/Action to acknowledge the resignation of Gila County Recorder Sadie Jo Bingham effective May,25, and consider appointing a person to fulfill the vacancy of the office of Gila County Recorder effective June25 pursuant to A.R.S. §-230(2). (James Menlove)

 B. Information/Discussion regarding new construction/remodel projects on the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat property and the funding needed to complete the assignments. (Michael O'Driscoll)

C.  Information/Discussion/Action to consider the option of canceling Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) No. IGA-0009581-I between the State of Arizona and Gila County for Arizona Department of Transportation Project No. T0536D/03D/01C-Golden Hill Road Sidewalk-Final Phase project under Section III, itemCancellation of the IGA and, if the IGA is cancelled, Gila County will provide the required-day prior written notice at least days before the award of the project contract. (Troy White) 

D.  Presentation on the operations within the Assessor's Office, updates on changes within the Assessor's Office, and updates on approved and Governor signed legislation that affects the Assessor's Office. (Sherra Kissee) 

 E.  Information/Discussionto review draft Public Works Department Policy No. PWS-024 – Prohibition of Personal Use of County Equipment and Resources and draft Policy No. PWS-025 – Fall Protection Program. (Troy White)

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And put just one of those things in your ears, one of those super things, those ear things. 00:00:08
And a testing testing. 00:00:13
Here continue. Yes. 00:00:16
Testing, testing. 00:00:19
Testing. 00:00:21
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OK. 00:00:34
OK, Captain Charlotte, are we ready to fly this thing? OK, Thank you. 00:00:38
Very good. Good morning, everyone. 00:00:43
Let's call this a special meeting together. It's Tuesday, May 27th, 10 AM. 00:00:47
And oh, can I get you to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? 00:00:52
Thanks. 00:00:57
And to develop for which it stands. 00:01:05
One nation under God. 00:01:08
Very good. 00:01:15
I trust everyone's having a great day. Let's go ahead and get started. We have regular agenda item 2A. 00:01:19
And it is information discussion action to acknowledge the resignation of the encounter recorder Sadie Doe Bingham. 00:01:25
Effective May 31st, 2025 and consider appointing a person. 00:01:32
To fulfill the vacancy of the office of Hewitt County Recorder effective June 1st, 2025. 00:01:36
Pursuant the. 00:01:42
Arizona Revised Statute. 00:01:44
And James, you're gonna say a few words. 00:01:46
Mr. Chairman, thank you. 00:01:50
Yes, you are aware Miss Bingham has submitted her resignation as a Human County Assessor. 00:01:51
That is effective this Saturday on May 31st. 00:01:57
And would like you to consider. 00:02:01
Appointing a replacement for Mistaken as the Healy County Assessor. 00:02:04
Effective June 1st, 2025. 00:02:08
OK, and thank you for that. That is something that is part of our responsibility, Mr. Chairman. Certainly you have the option of 00:02:11
having a discussion here if you'd like to have a discussion in an executive session. 00:02:18
That option is available to us, to you as a board sue by the flow. 00:02:24
OK. Thank you for that option. 00:02:28
I'll ask the supervisors what they would like to do. 00:02:31
I would like to say right off the bat that I'm. 00:02:34
We're sad to see Sadie Joe going. 00:02:38
She has served Heal accountant for many years, over 16 years. 00:02:41
And that is something to be celebrated. I believe she's done a very exceptionally good job. 00:02:44
At what she does, and we wish her well. 00:02:51
In her. 00:02:54
Next phase or next chapter, if you will. 00:02:56
So, umm. 00:02:59
Supervisor Humphrey, do you have any comments? 00:03:01
Umm. 00:03:04
Or if you'd like to make a motion to go into executive session, we have all those options. 00:03:08
Mr. Chairman. 00:03:13
I'm sorry, yes, Sir, I believe that, I said the Hewlett County Assessor. 00:03:14
This kiss, you probably wanted to strangle me. 00:03:18
But it is the kind of recorder, the recorder, yes. 00:03:22
Yeah, we can get that. 00:03:27
I guess I do have a question. 00:03:29
Manager Minlov. 00:03:35
In her resigning. 00:03:36
Did she recommend anyone? 00:03:40
For her position. 00:03:43
Mr. Chairman survived something. Yes, she did recommend. Make a recommendation. 00:03:47
Most definitively. 00:03:52
Replacement and his current employment Employee of accountant. 00:03:54
That recommendation, The person who's recommended is here present. 00:03:59
Today and can address you either here or in executive session. 00:04:03
Whatever you would prefer. 00:04:07
Does that person have a name? 00:04:10
That's right. Yes, Wendy. 00:04:13
Wendy Manigault Smith. 00:04:16
Thinking recommended. 00:04:22
I have no further questions, OK. 00:04:25
Thank you, Supervisor Klein. 00:04:27
Yeah, I don't either. I uh. 00:04:30
You know. 00:04:32
I've had conversations with Sadie and everything and. 00:04:34
And whatnot, so I'm good. 00:04:37
Do it right here if you want either way. 00:04:39
OK, it sounds like we are not petitioning to go into executive session. 00:04:44
So on item 2A. 00:04:49
I will entertain a motion to select someone or whatever the motion carries. 00:04:52
Mr. Chair, before I make a motion, I would just. 00:05:01
Like to say. 00:05:05
You know, in my opinion. 00:05:06
Elected people are elected. 00:05:09
By the people to serve in a position. 00:05:12
And so the people choose them to make decisions. 00:05:16
On them. 00:05:20
And and so. 00:05:22
I feel that. 00:05:23
In Sadie's leaving. 00:05:25
If she recommends someone. 00:05:28
Then the public. 00:05:31
Elected her. 00:05:33
To make decisions. 00:05:35
So I feel as if. 00:05:37
If she has a decision. 00:05:40
On whom she feels. 00:05:42
Would be competent in replacing her. 00:05:44
Then my my feeling about it is that. 00:05:47
Then that's her decision and I would be happy to go with her. 00:05:52
Decision so. 00:05:56
I would like to make a motion to make Wendy Smith. 00:05:58
The new recorder. 00:06:01
I'll second it. 00:06:05
OK, so we have a motion in a second to. 00:06:06
Equate Wendy Manigault Smith to the Recorder's Office, effective June 1st, 2025. All those in favor say aye. 00:06:10
Aye. 00:06:21
I thought I'd have a minute before, but just to clarify for the public as well As for the record of this meeting. 00:06:23
That because of the timing of Mrs. Bingham's. 00:06:30
Resignation The person appointed. 00:06:33
Must run in the next general election and can only serve. 00:06:36
As the appointed recorder. 00:06:40
Through the end of. 00:06:44
December 2026. 00:06:46
And so that if that person. 00:06:49
Wants to run for election at that time. 00:06:51
And she wanted to run in the primary and then the general. 00:06:55
The remainder of Mrs. Bingham's term, so it's a two year appointment. 00:06:58
Thank you for that clarification. I don't think we need to take another vote. 00:07:03
Motion has passed and. 00:07:07
We have approved the selection. I would think that. 00:07:09
Before we pass, we need to. 00:07:13
Would be if she's willing to run in the new elections. 00:07:17
Because that is part of it. Is that not correct? 00:07:21
No. Oh, OK. I thought maybe that if she. 00:07:25
Would have to run. 00:07:30
So congratulations, Wendy, we just appointed you. Would you like to come forward and just say support? 00:07:37
But she has the option of running or not. 00:07:43
It's my understanding that option would be in 26 and then as well as in 28 as that would be the yes. 00:07:47
Thank you. Thank you very much for your consideration. 00:07:53
And I don't know if you all are familiar with my background, but I was. 00:07:56
Afforded the opportunity to work with Eddie in our last election. 00:08:00
It was an enlightening experience and it's really ignited. 00:08:04
Some thirst for knowledge in me, so I plan to. 00:08:08
Move forward, continuing with Sadie's level of integrity. 00:08:11
And ethics and moral compass. 00:08:15
I look forward to working with my coffee. 00:08:18
Thank you very much, Wendy. We look forward to working with you and. 00:08:21
Haven't you served for Gila County? 00:08:25
OK, if there's nothing else then. 00:08:28
That one will move on to. 00:08:31
Item 2B. 00:08:33
Information and discussion regarding new construction or remodel projects at the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat property and the 00:08:35
funding needed to complete the assignments. 00:08:40
Good morning, Michael. 00:08:44
Good morning, Chairman, Members of the board so. 00:08:46
If it's possible, I'd like to break this presentation up into two distinct parts. 00:08:48
For the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat, what I'd like to do is just go over what we have done and with Supervisor Klein. 00:08:53
And County Manager James Nunlov has directed staff to do and what we've completed up until this point. 00:09:00
And then move into. 00:09:06
Possible new projects and what funding is out there for these projects, What fundings we we have received as a county. 00:09:09
And discuss some of those projects. 00:09:17
Umm, so if. 00:09:20
If you're OK with that Chairman, I'd like to move into exactly what we've done so far. Pleasant Valley, how that the veterans 00:09:22
retreat. There's a little bit of history on the on the board item, but I think everybody here understands that history. 00:09:28
Since 2017, Supervisor client has been an advocate of turning that property. 00:09:34
Into a veterans retreat. 00:09:40
Services for veterans and the family. 00:09:42
Which led us to. 00:09:45
Special use permit. 00:09:47
Between Gila County and in the US Forest Service. 00:09:48
Which allows Gila County to. 00:09:52
Operate this kind of services on the property. 00:09:55
To this date. 00:09:59
We've had. 00:10:01
Quite a bit of change out there. It's a beautiful piece of property. 00:10:02
With the structures out there. 00:10:06
We have used and the board has voted on some ARPA funding. 00:10:09
For the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat. 00:10:14
There has been a $1.6 million remodel project. We renovated the admin buildings. 00:10:16
And the barracks. 00:10:22
Put some ramps on them and refurbished all those buildings and they turned out beautiful. 00:10:23
Part of that. 00:10:31
Part of that also, we purchased furniture for the barracks so the veterans and their families have a place to stay. 00:10:32
To sleep. 00:10:39
And refurbished the kitchen and made it very usable. 00:10:40
And also we we also had to purchase. 00:10:44
Contracts for repairing and renovating the on site wastewater system out there. 00:10:48
There was an old system that was breaking down and had many leaks. 00:10:53
So we had to get a specialist out there and repair the entire system, which they did. 00:10:58
All those were paid for by ARPA money. 00:11:03
Some of the non ARCO funds. 00:11:06
Used for for the veterans retreat were. 00:11:08
About 56,000. 00:11:12
So let me go back a little bit. 00:11:14
The ARPA funding is little over $2,000,000. 00:11:16
With the $1.6 million contract in the onsite wastewater system, so that came out to be a little over $2,000,000. 00:11:19
And then not our funding was about 56,000. 00:11:27
And these were contracts under 50,000, so County Manager Mr. Men Love approved these. 00:11:31
Which included simple things like water testing, janitorial services. 00:11:37
Those kinds of things that are needed out there on a regular basis, so. 00:11:42
Umm, that's what has been accomplished up until this point. 00:11:46
I'd like to see if there's any questions about those projects that we've completed. Thank you, Michaels, with pleasure hunting. 00:11:50
Umm, monthly cost? 00:12:00
To operate. 00:12:03
About center, currently it's. 00:12:05
I would say I'm not that great at math, but it's about 260,000 / 12. 00:12:10
That's about the monthly cost we have right about now. 00:12:16
So and that includes we have two full time people out there. 00:12:19
That includes their salaries plus Ers and includes the utilities and some of the maintenance. 00:12:23
Out there. 00:12:29
No further questions on that. 00:12:31
OK, Thank you, Supervisor Klein. Oh, I'm good. 00:12:33
So a little over 20,000 a month. 00:12:37
Is our correction and then where does that money come from? 00:12:39
That comes from the general fund. 00:12:42
OK. All right. Thank you. Keep going. 00:12:44
So if we can move into the projects that. 00:12:47
Our plan for the future. 00:12:52
I'll move into a couple years ago. 00:12:55
Gila County received the line item. 00:12:58
$3,000,000 from the state of Arizona a one time. 00:13:01
Allocation. 00:13:06
And that $3,000,000, the agreement that was created the IGA that this board signed between the State of Arizona and Gila County. 00:13:07
Was to use that $3,000,000 for construction. 00:13:16
That's basically what the IGA said. It was very simple. 00:13:19
And, and the plans for that $3,000,000, let me let me back up. We also received a couple years ago earmarked money from the 00:13:23
federal government for $333,000. 00:13:28
And that was to be used for an ADA, fully ADA compliant. 00:13:34
Cabin out there at Pleasant Valley Veterinary Tree. 00:13:39
AT 333,000 came with a 25% match. 00:13:42
From Gila County General Fund. 00:13:46
So that total comes up to be a little over 400. 00:13:48
$1000. 00:13:52
If you add that 333 + 25%. 00:13:53
Matching fund. 00:13:57
That money is to be used. 00:13:58
For the ADA compliant cabin. 00:14:01
And then the $3,000,000 to plan with that. 00:14:04
Working with supervisor, client and county management. Love is to look into. 00:14:07
Constructing a community building out there. 00:14:12
Community Center so people can gather in there. 00:14:15
And have a place to cook and have a place to meet and hold meetings and. 00:14:18
Some of the. 00:14:22
Corporate veteran. 00:14:24
Organizations out there to bring people so they can gather and use that building. 00:14:26
So the $3,000,000 is earmarked towards that. 00:14:31
In the 400,000. 00:14:35
Is earmarked towards the ADA compliant cabin. 00:14:37
So that that's where that money is that we're looking to put that money. Are there questions about those two projects? 00:14:42
Supervisor Humphrey. 00:14:48
Oh yeah, that. 00:14:51
The building. The community meeting building. 00:14:53
Will that be for? 00:14:56
General public to use as well or just for veterans? 00:14:59
Chairman, members of the board, The special use permit clearly states that. 00:15:05
It cannot be used for the general public. It has to be used for veterans and veteran family. 00:15:09
Thank you. 00:15:15
Supervisor Klein. 00:15:18
So let me let me clarify something on this little bill. Is is 1 is it can be used for a building? 00:15:19
The big the big thing with the $3,000,000 is it has to be used on that site for veterans and supportive veterans. 00:15:27
Snow is Sandra Butts. We can't. We don't have that latitude. 00:15:35
But whether it's to build the building? 00:15:39
Do some road work. 00:15:43
Put more ramadas in whatever, whatever it may be. 00:15:45
That money can be used. 00:15:48
For that site. 00:15:50
And we? 00:15:52
We've been going back and forth a lot, but I'll get into that a little bit. 00:15:54
So anyway, and then the 330,000. 00:15:58
Absolutely right. That came from Senator Kelly. 00:16:02
And that was in support of 88, totally ADA compliant. 00:16:06
Umm, structure like 1000 square feet or so. It's kind of what? 00:16:11
Everybody's thinking something that. 00:16:15
A handicapped person that's totally handicapped would have to be comfortable. 00:16:17
Able to have accessibility for everything. 00:16:22
Be able to stay there. 00:16:26
OK. So Michael, do we have to match anything on the 3 million? 00:16:28
No, Sir, that $3,000,000 is is in our bank as we speak. 00:16:33
The state of Arizona has transferred that funding and it's it's free and clear. There's absolutely no match with that. 00:16:38
OK. And I'm hearing it has to be, it's limited to? 00:16:44
A site for the purposes of. 00:16:47
Building. 00:16:51
Or infrastructure. 00:16:53
Correct. 00:16:56
Road improvement. 00:16:57
Pretty. I mean, that's pretty. 00:17:02
Gamut, right? I mean we could use it in conjunction with the 300 three 3000. 00:17:04
To build. 00:17:12
A house if it's going to cost more than that. 00:17:14
Who could use it for part of that? Right Chairman, members of the board? Absolutely. The the IGA terminologies specifies they have 00:17:16
to be used for the site. 00:17:21
For any type of construction. 00:17:26
OK. Are we going to get to a point where you say these are our estimates? 00:17:29
I hope to OK. 00:17:35
OK, good. Keep going. 00:17:37
So, umm. 00:17:39
For for the. 00:17:41
ADA compliant cabin and the Community Center. This afternoon we're going to hold a second meeting with an architect. 00:17:43
BWS Architect. 00:17:53
Out of Tucson to discuss just that. 00:17:55
Put together a possible proposal to bring in front of the board. 00:17:59
For the Community Center and the ADA compliant home. 00:18:02
And and bring in front of the board for their consideration. 00:18:07
For a contract possibly in the next couple months. 00:18:11
So we are meeting Supervisor Klein, County Manager. Men Love and myself are meeting with the architect this afternoon. 00:18:14
Just to sort of go over those kind of plans. 00:18:21
So. 00:18:25
Questions about that, Sir? 00:18:27
Hopefully. 00:18:30
Budget claim will. 00:18:32
Michael's gonna get into more of it. 00:18:35
Dollars and figures and stuff like that, but we do have options besides just building. 00:18:37
Standalone building. 00:18:43
We have an option there on the main office building, the 6000 foot square building of an add-on. 00:18:45
On the east side that would. 00:18:51
Definitely meet our needs. 00:18:54
That's that's there as well. 00:18:56
Costs are a big thing. 00:18:59
And and we'll, we'll get into that more. 00:19:02
We go. 00:19:04
Perfect, So the next. 00:19:08
The next part of this. 00:19:09
Presentation is basically just to talk about some of the. 00:19:12
Projects and supervisor client is brought to staff's attention. 00:19:15
About what kind of things? 00:19:19
Are needed out there? What kinds of things? 00:19:22
Supervisor client is looking for out there to make the. 00:19:24
Property more usable. 00:19:28
More friendly and safer. 00:19:30
And so I'd like to go over the list of these, some of these. I'll have some estimates for some of these I. 00:19:32
Will not. 00:19:38
Because we're still in the process of putting together a scope and meeting with Supervisor Klein and facilities and contractors 00:19:39
out there. 00:19:43
And the first project involves chip sealing the roads. 00:19:47
Out there. 00:19:51
Umm and I received from the Public Works Department an estimate. 00:19:52
Umm for double chip sealing? 00:19:56
It's for single chip ceiling. It's going to be about $70,000. So double chip ceilings can be about $140,000. 00:19:59
That's the estimate I received from Public Works. 00:20:07
And, umm. 00:20:09
And I've been assured that they could do that in a day or two. 00:20:11
It's not a huge project. 00:20:14
The 140,000 is for the materials. 00:20:15
And then? 00:20:19
Its staff. There will be staff time used for this. 00:20:20
That staff time would have to be reimbursed to her. 00:20:23
Which is something that we do on a regular basis. 00:20:27
Here, so that's not. 00:20:29
That's not a difficult thing to do. 00:20:30
So that's. 00:20:33
That's where we're at with just that project. There's no questions about the chip ceiling. 00:20:34
So it will cost us something. We have to reimburse her. 00:20:40
Yes, OK. 00:20:44
So one of the things on this particular. 00:20:47
Project. 00:20:51
It badly needs done. 00:20:52
Is the fact that. 00:20:56
Public Works is getting ready to chip seal some other roads. 00:20:58
In District 3 and young up there, so all the equipment's there. 00:21:01
Staff or. 00:21:05
The folks will be there, crews will be there. 00:21:06
And. 00:21:10
Mobilizing that equipment is a big cost, but with it already being there, that's a benefit that we have. 00:21:12
And that's going to include the parking lot at the. 00:21:18
The main building as well. 00:21:21
Which? 00:21:24
We may need to bring public Works in here to do another parking lot on James. 00:21:26
So anyway, but. 00:21:30
Thank you, Michael. 00:21:33
You bet you, Sir. 00:21:34
Are they looking at this year to do that ship seal? 00:21:39
Yes. 00:21:43
In about two or three weeks. OK, well, because I got a call from the road crew. 00:21:45
Last week. 00:21:51
Stating that they're pulling off the GEICO Rd. 00:21:53
They were double ships sealed with Garcia Rd. 00:21:57
And the. 00:22:00
Company that they're getting the oil from is not. 00:22:02
Furnishing adequate. 00:22:05
Material. 00:22:07
And so rather than have an episode. 00:22:08
They have at this point. 00:22:11
Cancel all their chip ceiling. 00:22:14
Until they can get a contractor. 00:22:18
That can furnish the material on time and quality. 00:22:22
That's required so. 00:22:26
That that may be a. 00:22:28
Conversation to have with. 00:22:31
Public works I think did right because. 00:22:33
Last I heard they. 00:22:36
They had suspended. 00:22:38
Chip seal projects. 00:22:40
This company that we've been using since we've been in this office has caused us grief. 00:22:41
This isn't nothing new and so. 00:22:47
Like you said in Guy Selah, they did run into problems and I'm sure Troy's gonna visit better. 00:22:50
Yeah. Thank you. 00:22:55
I know we're supposed to be doing that. It's all these. 00:23:00
So update it from where we're at. 00:23:03
Correct, yes. So we, we were in the middle of the guy ceiling project and. 00:23:05
Supervisors Humphreys correct. The oil we were getting was substandard. 00:23:09
It was coming in real thick. 00:23:14
And if it's too thick, it won't dry. 00:23:17
As it dries on the outside 1st and that's where you get the problems that you had in the previous year. So we rejected it. 00:23:19
And there was a couple of days where they couldn't even deliver the oil when they said they were going to deliver the oil. So. 00:23:25
Right now we're looking to see if there's anything on state contract that we can use because we still want to move these projects 00:23:31
forward as quickly as. 00:23:34
Possible. So I'd say they're on hold, not officially canceled. 00:23:37
Thankfully, our asphalt material millions come from a different company. The only thing they're providing is the oil. 00:23:41
So the only thing we're lacking is the oil and hopefully. 00:23:47
Within two to three weeks, we'll have that resolved. 00:23:51
Be moving forward again with the Chipsetter project because we want to get those finished up this year. 00:23:54
Yeah, we got Cemetery Rd. There's just, I mean, there's all kinds of projects that are hinging right now. 00:24:00
Yeah, that's just why I wanted to bring that up, because of things. 00:24:05
You know, in this time of year, trying to get an oil company that book stuff a year ahead of time. 00:24:09
Because of the weather and the temperature. Yep, it just. 00:24:14
It just. 00:24:17
Yeah, I can understand why and and I appreciate it being on hold because we don't want any more messages exactly, you know not 00:24:19
going anyway, Yeah, I didn't mean to get off topic, but I just if you're looking at this year. 00:24:25
May not be. 00:24:31
Thank you. 00:24:33
Yeah. 00:24:37
OK, Michael. 00:24:40
Further questions about chip ceiling, so we're at 140,000. 00:24:44
A little for her free investment, a little bit. 00:24:48
Schedule wise, we're not sure. 00:24:50
All right. OK. Just discovered that, Sir. 00:24:52
The second project that we've been working with supervisor client on is. 00:24:56
An access gate near the back of the property. 00:25:01
They call it the Boneyard area. 00:25:05
There is. We're looking to put a fence back there. 00:25:07
Or an iron fence. 00:25:11
With solar power that can open and close along with the keypad. 00:25:13
Or some sign of some sort of mechanism that somebody who has the key can open that gate. 00:25:17
We're having a challenge with some people just zipping right through the property on the weekends and. 00:25:24
It's full access to the property and if you close off that area in the back it would. 00:25:30
Hopefully prevent. 00:25:35
As many people from from gaining access that. 00:25:36
So and as far as the design and everything we're going to be meeting out with. 00:25:39
Supervisor flying tomorrow and we're going to be starting to talk specifics. 00:25:45
About what kind of design, what kind of gate? And then we'll be putting together the estimates based on our conversation tomorrow. 00:25:49
So I don't really have an estimate as far as that goes, right? 00:25:54
So 1st May I'd like to say something about this particular project. 00:26:00
That's not on the agenda. 00:26:04
This isn't supervisors, clients first. 00:26:07
Idea. 00:26:11
This is actually. 00:26:12
Coming from ASIP. 00:26:14
Or insurance pool. 00:26:15
This is where ASIP wants to have more control over. 00:26:18
Folks that are in there and it's not that I disagree with it. 00:26:22
You know, uh. 00:26:25
But this was actually started. 00:26:26
With ASIP. 00:26:28
And it's a liability part for that. 00:26:30
Area and one of the reasons when Michael talks about the boneyard, that's a place where tools are stored and. 00:26:33
And other more expensive items, tractors, stuff like that. So it's a good idea, but. 00:26:39
Acer is the driving factor on this one. 00:26:46
Thank you Sir and and a follow up with supervisor client ASAP did give us some wisdom. 00:26:51
Other things that we have to do on the property. 00:26:56
To meet their their guidelines for insurance. 00:26:59
And we're working with facilities defense off certain areas to prevent access to other structures. 00:27:03
Until we get those up. 00:27:10
Code and remodeled and rebuilt that way so. 00:27:12
We did quite a few months ago. Everybody met up with ASAP and our County Attorney out on site. So we got, we got quite the list, 00:27:15
quite the education and liability and everything else like that. 00:27:20
So we are, we are committed to make this property a suit. 00:27:26
As possible. 00:27:30
So if we. 00:27:32
And if we were talking about the Boneyard area, it's also. 00:27:33
Another project that we're working on with supervisor client is. 00:27:37
And this has to do with our facilities too. We have a full time facilities guy out there. 00:27:41
And there's a maintenance shed. 00:27:46
That's by this boneyard area. 00:27:49
And that has no power to it the maintenance yet. So the facility, the facility guy actually our employee has to take his power 00:27:51
tools and recharge them in the admin building. 00:27:56
And do all this shuffling around. It's quite inefficient. 00:28:01
Umm, so we're looking at putting on a solar power system to the maintenance shed. 00:28:05
So our maintenance employee will be able to power up the shed and. 00:28:10
You know, plug his tools in out there so we won't have to be transferring tools all over the place. 00:28:15
It'll be a heck of a lot more efficient. 00:28:21
So we are trying to find contractors. 00:28:23
We had a couple of them walk the property last week. 00:28:26
We're waiting on one bid for that, so I cannot get an estimate as far as that goes. 00:28:29
But that's what we're also looking for in that area. 00:28:34
Questions about that? 00:28:38
I'll throw in one more on that as we spent. 00:28:40
Probably 2 days. I spent a long day. 00:28:43
With APS. 00:28:46
Umm going from the existing lines that are on site, seeing what the cost would be to. 00:28:49
Put power to that area. 00:28:54
And it is too far. It just nothing was worth gonna work. 00:28:57
And uh. 00:29:02
And then when we went back, I believe Rick McKinney went back and and spent some more time with them and looked at it again and 00:29:03
it's just a. 00:29:07
It's a distance factor off the existing lines. 00:29:11
You would hope that there's a line and transformer somewhere you could run power, and there is, but you're talking 1000 feet or 00:29:15
further. 00:29:20
And then right there in the site you have MO Creek that goes through the site. 00:29:24
So on one one side of it, you'd have to cross MO Creek to get to it. 00:29:28
Which is makes it tougher and so. 00:29:33
So the only way to have anything power. 00:29:38
Right, that down there that makes sense would be some kind of little solar system. 00:29:41
We can hook into it. 00:29:45
Or relocate. 00:29:48
Uh, no. 00:29:50
No, no, we there's actually there's a. 00:29:53
There's two big main structures right there. One's a long block building. 00:29:57
And the other one is kind of a shed row with individual. 00:30:03
Stalls in it, let's say with gates and whatnot. 00:30:07
It's it's a perfect setup for work center basically. 00:30:10
But it never, it never had power. 00:30:15
All the time I was with the government, we never had are there. 00:30:17
But. 00:30:20
With power tools today charging tools. 00:30:21
You know, storing chainsaws. 00:30:24
Things like that. We need to get that out of the main office and relocate and work can be used. 00:30:27
Mr. Chair, I have a question. 00:30:34
Michael, you, you said. 00:30:38
That you had quite a list from our insurance company. 00:30:41
Is this power? 00:30:45
One of the needs. 00:30:48
That the insurance company is asking for. 00:30:50
They interesting questions Supervisor. 00:30:55
So we had a discussion about that. 00:31:00
We were to use that as a maintenance shed and have somebody go in there and yes, they would like power to that structure. 00:31:02
OK, then I have another question. 00:31:10
Yes, Sir. What about like a diesel generator, if we. 00:31:12
Going to be such a problem is that something that the insurance company? 00:31:16
Might allow. 00:31:21
Supervisor, they potentially could allow that. 00:31:24
The next project I'll talk about is generators, and that building was not included in the. 00:31:28
In in the scope of this project, the generators moving forward, but that certainly is something we can look into. 00:31:35
One of the reasons that that that Tim, that I, I didn't really set my sights on the generators. 00:31:43
Everything anymore is going cordless. 00:31:49
So you have all the batteries to charge and everything that you can just plug it in, go home for the weekend, you come back, it's 00:31:53
up, it's going and. 00:31:57
And you don't have the issue of having to go get the fuel, store fuel on site or whatever. 00:32:01
And so for that particular site. 00:32:07
Umm, in the short term. 00:32:10
It would probably be a little bit cheaper in the long term. 00:32:13
The solar would be cheaper. 00:32:17
OK. 00:32:22
No questions on the cake. 00:32:25
Thank you super much. 00:32:27
And so I just mentioned. 00:32:29
Generators. 00:32:31
Yes. So we're working on a project with supervisor client because of the four structures out there, we have two barracks. 00:32:33
And we have two ranges, so there's. 00:32:40
We have, we're looking at. 00:32:42
Putting in generators, propane generators and the two barracks out there. 00:32:44
And the two Ranger houses which is in the back part of the property that are not being used right now. I'm going to go into the 00:32:48
Ranger houses after this. 00:32:52
But those those particular structures have no backing. 00:32:57
If the power goes out out there, it's dark and it gets dark out there. 00:33:00
So we're looking to possibly install propane generators in those four structures, the two barracks and the 2 Ranger houses. 00:33:06
We did. 00:33:13
We did have a walkthrough last week with contractors. 00:33:15
We have three of them out there, 3 state contractors. 00:33:19
One at a state contractor said the project was too small. 00:33:23
It wasn't. It wasn't enough for them. 00:33:26
And the second contractor said that they just didn't have the. 00:33:28
The capabilities of doing this and then we're waiting on the third contractor. 00:33:33
To get back with us with a. 00:33:37
We're we're estimating this project to be close to 100,000. 00:33:39
The four generators. 00:33:43
The propane generators, purchasing the new generators and installing those. 00:33:45
With the proper. 00:33:50
Electrical system in place. 00:33:52
So one one thing as we as Michael throws out figures and like especially with the state procurement people. 00:33:55
I would like for you guys to have question marks beside those dollar figures because when you go in there and you price. 00:34:01
A standby generator from. 00:34:09
Home Depot. 00:34:12
I've got one, bought it several years ago, quite close to 10 years ago. 00:34:13
You know the generator is only like 6 grand. 00:34:19
7 grand. 00:34:21
And so. 00:34:22
I'm leading you guys up to a discussion I'm going to have in a minute. Michael knows it's coming. 00:34:26
I'm not a fan of state procurement. 00:34:30
I haven't been since the first round up there and I'm still not today. 00:34:34
And so. 00:34:38
That's all I ask. Just keep an open mind on these figures for a little bit. 00:34:41
Because I think I think we're going to get in some real good discussion here short. 00:34:45
OK, perfect. Then the next, the next. 00:34:53
We're going to call it the historic area. 00:34:57
Which involves 3. 00:34:59
It's called There's the Barn. 00:35:02
There's a historic Ranger house and historic district Ranger office. 00:35:04
Those are three structures towards the back of the property. 00:35:09
And one of the. 00:35:12
Items mentioned by Asaf was as if we were. 00:35:15
Use the barn in any capacity that must be brought up to code. It must be refurbished. 00:35:18
Umm, or if we don't use it then we have to fence it off. So that was specifically mentioned by ASIP when we're on our walkthrough. 00:35:24
The barn refurbishment there's been work done by supervisor, client and Kathy Melvin along with facilities. 00:35:33
Working with the. 00:35:40
Company called Historic Corpse. 00:35:41
They they use volunteers to go in and refurbish these historic buildings. 00:35:43
And they did give us a price to refurbish the barn is approximately 90,000 to $100,000. 00:35:49
To refurbish the barn, that's utilizing volunteers as well, so. 00:35:56
If we it's kind of a nice little relationship, we could. 00:36:01
Get a project like this done for half the cost because they use volunteers. 00:36:06
And these volunteers will come out and do the work. 00:36:11
And so that's the barn refurbishing and are there questions about that? 00:36:16
To play with, no questions about. 00:36:21
So let me give you a little bit more background. 00:36:24
Take a breath, Michael. Thank you, Sir. 00:36:28
The. 00:36:31
The historic part of that site was something that me and Kathy really dreaded to tackle when we first go into it. 00:36:33
Dealing with Schippel. 00:36:40
Is sometimes very difficult. 00:36:42
And it was something that we could just see. 00:36:44
Some big hurdles coming up with. 00:36:47
But there was a couple of things. First of all, the fact was the government had went into those structured. 00:36:50
Structures and remodeled things inside. 00:36:56
You know they. 00:37:01
They changed the paint scheme or they did something different with cabinets and. 00:37:02
Isn't that both? 00:37:07
The Big House and what Michael referred to as the Office. 00:37:08
The government had for residences, both of them, so they changed a lot of the inside. 00:37:12
The outside never was changed. 00:37:18
And so it was real simple with Shippo. Their concern was was that. 00:37:22
We kept the upkeep of the. 00:37:28
The structures. 00:37:30
And we keep the outsides looking like they are. 00:37:32
They told us we don't care about the insides, just. 00:37:36
Don't modify or change anything from that. 00:37:40
From the outside standpoint. 00:37:43
So that's where historic work come into play, and historic court actually was working with the Forest Service. 00:37:46
Prior to us taking over that site, they had already been in there. 00:37:54
For the government looking at these different. 00:38:00
Little things on these structures that needed done. 00:38:02
And so that's where they're at. And Historic Core is a group of folks that that's what they do. They go around. 00:38:05
And they work on these old sites mostly for the government. 00:38:12
A lot of lookouts, a lot of outside work centers, stuff like that. 00:38:16
And they do this, that's what they're used to do. So they're, they're volunteers are made-up of different people. 00:38:22
That have different skills. 00:38:27
The Barn. 00:38:30
Itself is relatively easy. 00:38:32
But in addition to the barn and this price that Michael's told me about. 00:38:35
One of the things they will have in there is to go into the big. 00:38:40
The main structure. 00:38:44
And rebuild the windows that's in that back to the way they. 00:38:46
They were because there's some breaks, there's some cracks, there's stuff bowed out. 00:38:51
Well, they've got the skill and the mindset to go back in and rebuild all of. 00:38:56
And put it back. 00:39:01
To its original. 00:39:03
Ill and so so that's a part of this as well. 00:39:08
The umm. 00:39:12
The Barn. 00:39:14
Is. 00:39:17
I've looked at that list and I kind of. 00:39:18
Scratch my head over that one too, but. 00:39:22
But it's it's not that big of a deal. 00:39:24
On that to keep it up, but the fact of it is, is with that historic piece of the vet site right there. 00:39:27
We have to keep it up. 00:39:34
That's part of the. 00:39:36
Part of us having this site. 00:39:37
And historical right now. 00:39:40
Is the best bet. There's contractors out there that you could probably find to come in and do this. 00:39:42
But it's going to cost a lot more. 00:39:48
So I'm a historic preservation that you know, I mean, I think we should. 00:39:54
That section over there is one of the most beautiful spots. It's historic. 00:39:59
Of the houses, the style, all of it's just. 00:40:04
Marvelous. And we do need to protect that. Now. The barn. 00:40:07
So to put $100,000 into the barn. 00:40:14
Are we just saving it or are we using it? Would it have a use? 00:40:17
Because it was there for horses. 00:40:22
And all of that. And so if we just isolate that from. 00:40:25
Public access, we could save that money and. 00:40:29
And use it for something else. 00:40:32
Is there a specific purpose of why we want to? 00:40:35
Restore the barn to a up to code status. 00:40:39
Chairman and members of the board, that's my understanding and talking with Supervisor Klein and Kathy. 00:40:43
At the planning and features at some point in time. 00:40:48
Bringing equine therapy for veterans out to the site. 00:40:52
And if that was to occur, then we would absolutely need a place to store the animals. 00:40:56
To meet that need. 00:41:02
OK. And Steve, one of the things with the barn is and I think that that that's going to need a little bit more of a walk through 00:41:04
and look at especially with historical course list. 00:41:09
The things where we can just physically talk about each thing that they're pointing out that they want to do. 00:41:15
Umm, there's simple things like just the paint in the outside of the buildings. 00:41:20
We can do that. 00:41:26
You know. 00:41:27
There's other things, might be a little bit more involved. 00:41:29
One thing like on the windows part of it is for sure the barn has some. 00:41:34
Other issues above the stalls where there's a broken being that needs to be addressed and. 00:41:38
So there's some odds in the ends of things like that. 00:41:43
Definitely need to be addressed. 00:41:46
OK. 00:41:50
Further questions about that? 00:41:53
No, I'm good. 00:41:55
Thank you. The next two projects I'm not going to be able to get you a. 00:41:58
Cost estimate on that we're going to, we're talking about the. 00:42:04
Ranger Houses, Ranger House and the Office. 00:42:07
One of the purposes of the meeting with Supervisor Klein. 00:42:10
Tomorrow out at Pleasant Valley is to go through these buildings. 00:42:14
And get a complete itemized list of what? 00:42:18
Vision supervisor client he has. 00:42:21
So the next two projects what I'd like to do is just talk about them conceptually. 00:42:24
For the purposes what they'll be used for. 00:42:29
If that's OK, is easier. 00:42:33
OK, so we can start with the historic? 00:42:35
Grant, the Ranger House and Supervisor Klein, I'm sure you get and fill in. 00:42:39
The other two supervisors better than I can for the use of that, but it's my understanding that we want to convert this into. 00:42:44
Another place where veterans can sleep and stay the night. 00:42:51
Veterans and their families. 00:42:56
And what that really entails. 00:42:58
I don't. 00:43:00
I won't have a really good picture until I go do a complete walkthrough supervisor client tomorrow. 00:43:02
I believe that's the intended purpose it is, Michael. It's like Steve said, although it's really a pretty place. Everybody really 00:43:07
likes it. 00:43:11
The one issue with that particular house? 00:43:16
Is it has an upstairs? 00:43:19
A partial upstairs in it. 00:43:21
But we're going to. 00:43:23
Our intent is to block that off. 00:43:25
And we talked about that with async too as well. 00:43:28
They seem to like that a lot better. 00:43:31
So but. 00:43:33
The old house has got the old style wiring, which Tim, I know you're familiar with the old. 00:43:35
Aluminum wiring and stuff like that. So it needs to be rewired. 00:43:41
Which can easily be done by coming underneath the house and up through the floorway. So there's. 00:43:45
There's things like that. Some work maybe. 00:43:50
Inside on some counters cupboards, put a hot water heater back in it. 00:43:53
Pretty simple type of stuff. 00:43:58
The other part on that house is. 00:44:00
We have pitches. Kathy drove up some pitches from back in the 30s and 40s. 00:44:03
And so when you stand outside. 00:44:08
From that house, it had a fence that came around the front of it. 00:44:11
The government in all its wisdom, and I don't know why they did it, but they tore into that fence. I don't know if they were going 00:44:15
to rebuild it or whatever. So there's. 00:44:19
There's pieces of it that physically aren't there that we're going to have to rebuild, which is easy at first. I got to worrying 00:44:23
about it. 00:44:26
Until I seen those pictures that Kathy had brought up. Because it's the same. 00:44:30
Wire that we can actually buy today out of the Tractor Supply. 00:44:34
Just the page wire. 00:44:37
And so Gina proposed. It's all pretty simple just to put that back in place, so. 00:44:39
It's just a matter of some pretty simple type projects to do. 00:44:45
The other little house, and this is 1 I hope you guys will find interesting, is that instead of using that for. 00:44:50
People to stay in. 00:44:56
Our thought is to take that and and turn it into a little. 00:44:58
Museum, little office like it was one time. 00:45:03
With the old furniture, the old file cabinets, things like you would have seen if you stepped in there in 1940 and looked at it. 00:45:06
And not use it for people to actually stay in for a weekend or whatever. And it's it's pretty small. I think it's only. 00:45:14
But Kathy, 6700 square feet, it's not very big. 00:45:21
And so, and that's going to be a minimal task. 00:45:25
There's not gonna be much there, so. 00:45:30
The chairman. Members of the board. 00:45:34
Supervisor Klein was mentioning with the second structure I was going to talk about. 00:45:38
Converting the Reindeer office. 00:45:43
The vision the supervisor client has is to turn that into a little museum. 00:45:46
So, and as far as the scope of that goes. 00:45:50
Again, will be will be the first step. We'll be doing complete watching tomorrow. 00:45:54
At the property, start that process. 00:45:58
So the. 00:46:02
The thought I have on this property is that this is going to be a project that goes on and on. 00:46:04
For many years and so. 00:46:09
As we identify the we may have to put those knees off. 00:46:12
Until a later time. 00:46:16
Unless we have the money. 00:46:18
To do it. 00:46:21
From the state or whatever. 00:46:22
So as we go through the wish list or. 00:46:24
The ideas? 00:46:27
That's all good, won't you? 00:46:28
Keep the houses from deteriorating. Keep the barn from deteriorating. 00:46:31
But as far as getting the actual remodel done, that may take. 00:46:35
And I kind of see this as it's a little bit like the fairgrounds, which I support. 00:46:39
Two, it's an ongoing. 00:46:44
Process that's going to take a while. 00:46:47
To get everything done. 00:46:49
That's kind of how I envision it. 00:46:51
So what we may not have enough to do at all. 00:46:54
One thing, and I will make this really clear guys, because it keeps coming back to Supervisor Klein. 00:46:56
But this isn't just my project, this is accounting project and that's why we're out in this work session, OK? 00:47:02
Is to go over everything that I see out there and. 00:47:08
And trying to address the things that we definitely need to address either from a live dose liability standpoint or. 00:47:12
Whatever it needs to be. 00:47:20
In that nature. 00:47:22
But it's a county project. 00:47:24
That's what it is. 00:47:26
You know the county. 00:47:28
Gila County. 00:47:30
Hopefully this year. 00:47:31
Saying maybe this fall. 00:47:35
When we get that conveyed to us, that's 232 acres that's going to be. 00:47:37
Owned by the county. 00:47:41
I've had that thought a lot. 00:47:44
I thought about the operating costs. I've thought about many different things and it's like. 00:47:46
If you stepped out to buy 232 acres in Young AZ today. 00:47:52
You better go win the lottery. 00:47:58
You know, I, I, I'm serious, especially with the buildings on it that we've got. 00:48:00
And a lot of these projects that Michael's going through right now. 00:48:05
Was is really? Once they're done, they're done. 00:48:09
It it's it might be an issue of. 00:48:13
Later down the road in some year that there'll be maintenance needs or whatever, but. 00:48:16
But it's just catching it up to. 00:48:21
So where we need to be with these guests and? 00:48:24
Veterans that we've got coming into the site. 00:48:28
It's like the chip ceiling. It's like this parking lot right out here. 00:48:31
You know, you step out in the parking lot right there at the main building in Young and it's got cracks in the asphalt that's this 00:48:35
wide. 00:48:38
Well, ACIP looks at that and says what are you going to do about that, You know, tripping hazard. 00:48:43
You know today and Rick's sitting with us and share it too, but. 00:48:48
You can sue anybody for a couple 100 bucks. 00:48:53
And so these are all the issues that I see out there. 00:48:56
That I feel like we we need to stay ahead of. 00:49:01
Best we can. We can't cover everything, I know that. 00:49:05
But. 00:49:08
We can cover a lot of it. 00:49:09
OK, Chairman, members of the board, that's my presentation in the whole. 00:49:13
And. 00:49:19
Curious if you have any additional questions. 00:49:20
Supervisor Christensen, you were talking about funding and those kinds of things. I've had conversations with county manager men 00:49:24
love. 00:49:27
So there is the $3,000,000 we've gotten from the state of Arizona. 00:49:30
And there's also. 00:49:34
And speaking with Mr. Menlo. 00:49:36
We we still have. 00:49:38
Approximately $4.5 million. 00:49:40
In LA TCF funding money. 00:49:42
That could be spread out through the county and other projects as well. 00:49:45
So those are the kind of funding streams that we're talking about. 00:49:49
If, if you guys don't mind, I'd like to talk about funding and financing and. 00:49:53
Money right now. 00:49:58
OK, this is what Michael's been waiting for. 00:50:00
I I told you guys a while ago, I do not like to state government process. 00:50:05
I don't like the money that we spent up there already. 00:50:09
I don't like the fact that we can't hardly get breakouts of individual projects or anything like that. We always hear about it it. 00:50:13
I honestly think there's some. 00:50:21
Issues there. 00:50:25
And and I don't like it. The other part of it I don't like is the fact that it's not open bids. 00:50:27
For other people to come in and bid on, just like I've said here, and listen to Tim talk about our housing. 00:50:33
Bids around for maintenance and stuff like that. Do we have any locals to bid on it? 00:50:39
Well, through the state procurement process, these people, not necessarily locals, these are people from wherever. 00:50:44
Are already signed up through the state procurement. 00:50:51
And so that's who they use. 00:50:54
I think. 00:50:58
Then well. 00:50:59
I I can tell you that we got took to the cleaners up there on the last big remote job that we did. 00:51:02
And I am not willing to do that again. 00:51:09
We talked about the building that we've been talking to Mr. Minlove about. 00:51:12
And everything like a big tin building. 00:51:17
You know, redirect building. 00:51:20
You can go online, you can pull those up, you can look at the mall day long. 00:51:23
For less than $100,000. 00:51:27
They come in and build it. 00:51:30
I called the one of those companies. 00:51:32
And I asked him, I talked to him about it. There's just list after list after list of these companies out there. Some are 00:51:34
nationwide. 00:51:37
A lot of them were local. 00:51:41
But I asked them. I said. 00:51:43
So tell me the deal on this. 00:51:44
And so when you guys, if I call you up and I want a building whatever size it is, three 3000 square feet. 00:51:46
That comes with engineered plans. It comes with design. 00:51:52
Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. It just depends on whether. 00:51:56
We want to do the senior. 00:52:00
Concrete, concrete work, the infrastructure coming out of the ground, whatever else. 00:52:02
I said OK. 00:52:07
Not mentioning anything other than. 00:52:08
A rough size of 5000 square feet at the time is what I run through them. 00:52:11
I said, what do you think 5000 square foot building would be? Well, what do you want? I mean there's, there's so many different 00:52:17
designs and there is. We see it every day. 00:52:22
When you go anywhere, you see schools, you see churches, you see office buildings. Those, a lot of those are these red iron 00:52:28
buildings. I mean, they're really cool. 00:52:32
So it's clearly as much as you want to spend on a building, but something that's practical. 00:52:37
Can be used. 00:52:41
When it needs to be used. 00:52:43
First thing he told me was well it depends on your design and architect. I said well I thought you guys designing and do the 00:52:45
architect work. 00:52:49
No, because if you did that you'd have to go out and get 3 bids. I said Yep, you're right. 00:52:54
So we'd have to turn in exactly what we want. 00:52:59
So we could get 3 bids then on, on. 00:53:02
This this package right here. 00:53:04
Yeah, I said OK, well, let's just. 00:53:07
Ballpark figure. 00:53:10
Tell me what you think. 00:53:12
It would be. 00:53:14
With just a plain Jane type building that looks nice and matches the green building that we have there we want to match. 00:53:15
Kind of described it to him. 00:53:22
He said probably around 250,000. 00:53:24
What you're looking at? I said so for less than 500,000. 00:53:28
We could get one built. 00:53:32
He said absolutely. 00:53:34
And so. 00:53:36
You know when I'm talking to Michael and Joseph and. 00:53:38
And James and we're sitting around the table and talking about these things. We get numbers back or thrown at us that are. 00:53:42
Like $3,000,000 for this building. 00:53:49
And I'm about to fall out of the chair again. 00:53:52
I'm flat saying there's no way. 00:53:54
I would ever agree to spend $3,000,000 for a $500,000 building. 00:53:58
And so. 00:54:03
That's where I am still at today. 00:54:05
I still I don't like it. 00:54:08
You guys can remember back now, maybe not you Steve, but me and Tim. 00:54:12
Back in the time when we came on board, we staff. 00:54:16
The facilities department up. 00:54:20
They've got everybody right there to do whatever we need done. 00:54:22
As far as contracting or anything like that, you don't just need to throw it to the state procurement walk, walk away with. 00:54:26
And so my biggest thing is if we build whatever we build or decide to build, whether it's the add on to that building. 00:54:33
Which is really knocked down a lot of the cost because we already have the infrastructure there. 00:54:41
There's the only thing that the biggest problem would be would be to relocate. 00:54:46
Pump station right outside the building for the sewer outfit. 00:54:51
That's it. 00:54:54
Rest of it's there, the bathrooms are there, is already part of a conference room there as well. The water is there, the electric 00:54:56
is right there. 00:55:00
And so. 00:55:04
I just want you guys to know something that if it comes down to word. 00:55:06
There's a push to spend that kind of money. 00:55:11
$3,000,000 on a on a building. 00:55:14
I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna vote for it. I'm not gonna do it. I think we're getting ripped. 00:55:17
And when I tell you this, I'm going to tell you the reason why this is a work session so. 00:55:22
When we did the first remodel job. 00:55:28
Up there and worked on those buildings. 00:55:31
Time went by, time went by, time went by. We didn't get anything done until I threw a fit and said it's time to do something. 00:55:34
Joseph came to me, James was part of those conversations, and we decided, OK, best thing we can do. 00:55:43
Is run with the state. 00:55:49
Process. They've already got contractors lined up, yadda yadda yadda. So we did. 00:55:51
And I didn't really. 00:55:57
Have a good grasp of the process. That's my fault. 00:55:58
Until afterwards. 00:56:01
We're sitting there going through the list of accomplishments that Michael just talked about. 00:56:04
We rebuilt decks on barracks, we remodeled the inside of the barracks we rebuilt. 00:56:09
Sewer system, we did all this work on there. 00:56:15
And we put in 13 ramadas with some dirt work and a little bit of trenching for some solar lights and the dirt work. 00:56:20
Was granted that we purchased right there locally. 00:56:27
The sites for the Ramadas facilities cut those in with their skidster. I helped lay that out. 00:56:31
Those and we owned the Ramadas. The Ramadas were sitting there on site, those 13 Ramadas. 00:56:40
That was the most expensive part of that whole first package. We spent $472,000. 00:56:46
Setting up. 00:56:56
13 Ramadas. 00:56:57
When Joseph and them told me that sitting in the ring that day, I had a lot to say about that. 00:56:59
And it was real obvious that that state procurement. 00:57:04
I'm not saying it's all this way, so I want. 00:57:08
I want everybody to understand I'm not pointing the fingers of their baby. 00:57:11
This is why I don't like it if there's backdoor deals cut. 00:57:14
We don't know it. 00:57:17
We don't have an idea of what those costs are going to be up front. It all comes in the back door. 00:57:19
And it's too late. You're going to do it. 00:57:25
I and I, I just absolutely. 00:57:28
Do not want to see us go with some out of state or out of town county contractors that's going to RIP us off or how. 00:57:32
Had the chance of ripping us off. 00:57:41
I'm gonna say that you're gonna do it again, but the chance is there. 00:57:43
And that's why I'm so intent. 00:57:46
On our facilities, people, we had the manpower. 00:57:49
In there to put out regular type contracts and solicit bids for what we need done and use as many locals and keep the money 00:57:52
locally. 00:57:57
The Weekly News. 00:58:02
And I will stand by that one to the end. I sit here now since that project was going on until I finally walked into James's office 00:58:04
a while back. 00:58:08
And I said, hey, I'm done. 00:58:14
We're sitting here spinning our wheels. We've got a parking lot out here that hasn't been done. We talked about it. 00:58:16
We have other projects out there. I don't see anything getting done. So right now I'm going to tell you what. 00:58:21
Let's start looking at the projects that we can get done on that Vet Center up there and let's get going. 00:58:27
Let's get moving. 00:58:33
And we'll we'll look at all the little things that we need to do to satisfy our insurance. 00:58:35
And and to. 00:58:41
Help our liability. 00:58:43
And let's get some stuff going. 00:58:45
And that's where we've been. 00:58:48
I want to go back to the generators. 00:58:51
It doesn't matter to me one way or another if we have backup generators. 00:58:54
I've lived without that long time in the past. 00:58:58
Is always in the winter time though. That's when electric would go out. Is in the winter time. 00:59:01
I'm sure in pacing you had that. 00:59:05
But the fact of the matter is now it's the summertime. And not only is it the summertime, we're faced with the fact APS or SRP. 00:59:08
Has some bad days. They walk up and turn the switch off. 00:59:15
Well, when you've got gas setting in those houses and their power goes out. 00:59:19
And we have no way of. 00:59:24
Accommodating Elmer. 00:59:26
Or at least getting them through the day hoping it's gonna kick back on things get a little tough. 00:59:28
And so that's to me. 00:59:33
Is our main goal. The other thing of the is, is that main station right there, the office building on station with office 00:59:36
building? 00:59:40
Has to have one. 00:59:43
Power goes out. 00:59:45
I don't know what's gonna run our. 00:59:46
Office up there with all the. 00:59:48
Servers and all this stuff in it, we have to have air conditioning on and that thing keep it cooled off all the time. 00:59:50
So there's some of these specific needs that are there that we're going to need to spend some money on to get, but once it's 00:59:57
spent. 01:00:00
Once those things are in place. 01:00:04
We're done. It's not a reoccurring thing every other year we have. 01:00:07
Do this stuff I. 01:00:11
I want everybody to understand this isn't the wish wish list that I put together. 01:00:14
These are things on this site that I see that are very critical to this site that needs done. A wish list. I agree with you Steve. 01:00:19
It can come in time for the next 25 years. 01:00:25
I, I don't, I don't worry about that. That's that'll be up to somebody else. It won't be up to me. 01:00:32
But there's one thing I do worry about, and that is the fact of getting things done on the ground right now. 01:00:36
And I see a big lack of that. 01:00:42
And I honestly had enough of that. 01:00:44
Michael has stepped up to take on this project. 01:00:48
And. 01:00:52
Proud he did. He gives me somebody I can gripe about. Straight to Michael now, but. 01:00:54
But. 01:01:00
There's things that have to be. 01:01:01
We have to get going on. 01:01:04
We've got $3,000,000 sitting there that a. 01:01:06
Representing gave us. 01:01:08
That every time I get the questions, well, wait, we got that money. What have you built with that money? What's the plans with 01:01:10
that money? 01:01:13
I'm going to start sending them to Michael, those conversations. 01:01:16
You know, for me, I'm beating my head against the wall trying to get something done and lying down and get started and we haven't 01:01:20
been able to do. 01:01:24
But now it's going to be Michael that's going to answer the questions. 01:01:27
And we have when we have commitments like that, we can't drag things out for. 01:01:31
Two years, three years, whatever it's gonna turn out to be. 01:01:37
We need to get started. 01:01:40
We have other projects we've said here. 01:01:43
Two or three times and went through LATCF funds, ARPA funds, all this money, we sit here and prioritize projects one after 01:01:47
another. 01:01:52
I don't see a whole hell of a lot getting done there either. 01:01:56
And I don't know you guys, maybe you have more patience than I do, but my patients are done. 01:02:00
So I'd be more than happy to answer any questions anybody has. 01:02:06
Well, and we're here to debate. 01:02:12
Spending, obviously. So you have anything. 01:02:15
I do. I have. I have several things. 01:02:19
We're under a special use permit. 01:02:25
With the Vet Center at this time, is that correct? It is. 01:02:29
OK, then yeah, that that's, that's one deal that that. 01:02:33
Believe me, I support the vets more than anybody. I support this project. 01:02:41
But when when I got my my. 01:02:45
My information for the meeting. 01:02:48
You know, even today you said, you know, it's a county project. 01:02:51
And the county can own the property. 01:02:55
Well when I read the special use permit it says. 01:02:59
This permit. 01:03:02
Shall expire at midnight on. 01:03:04
20/31/20. 01:03:06
4020 years from the date issued. 01:03:08
It was amended in. 01:03:11
October 21st. 01:03:14
1976. 01:03:16
And and so you know. 01:03:19
This permit is not renewable. 01:03:21
Prior to expiration of this permit. 01:03:23
The holder may apply for a new permit. 01:03:26
For the use of occupancy authorized by. 01:03:29
This permit. 01:03:32
OK, so. 01:03:34
That kind of. 01:03:37
There's and I'm not. 01:03:39
Arguing understand there's two different deals. One I'm looking at special use permit. 01:03:41
Two, I'm hearing that. 01:03:46
That it can be the county. 01:03:48
OK. That, that's, that's a question I have that's not going to be answered today. 01:03:50
I don't know if it's going to take an act of Congress to change that. 01:03:56
But for right now we're under special use permit. 01:03:59
And talking about funding and projects. 01:04:03
Also in the contract it says all plans and development, layout, construction. 01:04:07
Reconstruction or alterations? 01:04:12
Of improvements in the permitted area as well as revisions. 01:04:16
To those plans must be prepared by a professional engineer architect. 01:04:21
Landscape architect or other qualified personnel based on the Federal employment Standards. 01:04:26
Acceptable to the. 01:04:32
Authorized Officer. 01:04:35
These these plans and plan revisions. 01:04:37
Must have written approval. 01:04:42
From the authorized officer before they are implemented the authorized. 01:04:44
Officer may require the holder to furnish. 01:04:50
Umm, as building plans, map surveys. 01:04:53
Upon completion. 01:04:59
And that's just a couple things. You know, I think it's 20 pages long. 01:05:00
And so. 01:05:04
You know my questions are. 01:05:05
OK, one. 01:05:09
Are these things being discussed? 01:05:10
With. 01:05:13
The permit holder that is allowing us. 01:05:15
To go forward with these. 01:05:18
And. 01:05:21
I have other questions. 01:05:22
As well, but we can pause that. Let me answer some of that to you. Maybe this will answer some of them. 01:05:26
The Forest Service. 01:05:35
Was the ones that. 01:05:36
Convincing convinced us, they told us. 01:05:38
You need to. 01:05:41
Get the special use permit to take this over. 01:05:43
To have to occupy the site you know. 01:05:47
And on and on. So they're the ones that brought that to us. 01:05:51
There's at the time it was the acting chief in Washington, DC Me and Kathy were sitting there at the table with her. 01:05:55
Told us to do that, so we had. 01:06:01
Her special uses guy and we had her realtor. 01:06:04
Lady sitting at the same table. 01:06:10
So we did that. That's why that came up. 01:06:13
In the process, they said you'll need to come up with a sponsor, a bill or whatever to run for the conveyance, which we already 01:06:16
knew. 01:06:20
Of Representative Gosar. 01:06:24
Was the one that started. 01:06:27
So we already knew. 01:06:29
We had to do that. 01:06:31
But to get in there and do anything with this site and one of the biggest issues to me at the time was. 01:06:32
The four services quit that site. They left. 01:06:39
So, umm. 01:06:43
Just a simple little roof leak. 01:06:44
Or a door that didn't close all the way. Or a hole in the wall. 01:06:47
Was causing big issues. 01:06:51
And so. 01:06:53
We signed the special use permit. The county went in there and signed the special use permit. We took possession of it. 01:06:55
And then when we. 01:07:01
Into that bill some more. 01:07:03
Unfortunately, there's not a lot of bipartisan bills up there on the Hill, but this one actually is. 01:07:07
We haven't had really anybody disagree with this. 01:07:14
This deal on either side of the aisle. 01:07:18
The only thing that we had was. 01:07:20
The. 01:07:23
There's some some people that wanted a revisionary clause in the bill. 01:07:26
So I come back, I sit down with the floor supervisor and I told who is Neil Bosworth? At the time I said Neil. 01:07:33
We need to put a revisionary clause in this, you know, for this bill to finish it all out and everything. 01:07:41
He said I don't want one. 01:07:47
I don't want a revisionary pause in it. I don't want it back. 01:07:49
And I said, well, we don't have a choice because that's what they're saying on the heel is they want this. 01:07:53
A clause in it. 01:08:00
So that what that says is if it. 01:08:01
Somewhere along the way, ever becomes used. 01:08:04
Or something other than veterans. 01:08:07
It could automatically rollback to the federal government. 01:08:10
At any time. 01:08:15
And so. 01:08:17
So that's in there. 01:08:18
The other thing of it is, is we're on our third run for a bill. 01:08:19
We were down to the last. 01:08:25
Day last year. 01:08:27
This bill, actually. 01:08:29
It would pass the House. It had passed the Senate, no. 01:08:31
The Senate held it up. 01:08:36
That on the last week to the last day trying to get some other stuff attached to it because they knew it would pass. 01:08:38
So they were playing the game that we all see them play up there a lot. 01:08:45
They take a good thing and they overload it with all this other crap. 01:08:49
That's out there knowing that it's going to go through. 01:08:52
And so it failed. It didn't make it. 01:08:56
It's already passed the House this year. 01:08:58
About two months ago, or at least I think. 01:09:01
And so I think it's been through or going through the 2nd read in the Senate. 01:09:04
The bill has not changed. It's the same bill. 01:09:09
Our message on the hill up there has been we want to see this thing pass. We want to see it done. 01:09:14
And so the word that we're getting back is that they're actually working. 01:09:19
A little harder on that Senate side to hopefully get this bill passed. 01:09:24
And get it through. The last timeline I heard when I talked to him about it was gonna be maybe September this year, September, 01:09:28
October. 01:09:33
I'm hoping that's true, otherwise we're going to go for round 4, but. 01:09:37
But that's where we're at. 01:09:42
The one thing you guys gotta watch too, because I do a lot. 01:09:43
There's people campaigning on this site. 01:09:48
Not only at the local level, but at the federal level. 01:09:52
This net center has reached far and wide. 01:09:55
And, you know, you keep holding something up and pretty soon people get smart enough to say, hey. 01:09:59
If you support it so so hard, why are you holding it back? 01:10:04
And they're not holding it back, they're just plates and games with it as. 01:10:08
What they've done. So we're in it for another. What is that, 17 years, I think, Jim? 01:10:11
The figures you got. 01:10:18
On a special use permit now on projects. 01:10:20
Everything that we do. 01:10:23
Is run through the district Ranger. He's our point of contact on the Fed. 01:10:26
He's the one that comes out when we say, hey, we'd like to build this building. He comes out and walks around the site with us, 01:10:30
stands out there and we talk about it and. 01:10:35
He and Kathy is always kidding him. It's like, yeah, you have this big, beautiful building here, and when you get it back, you 01:10:40
know? 01:10:43
He's like, no, I don't want a bat. 01:10:47
But he's the one that approves the projects. 01:10:48
Umm, if there's anything in the mean time that comes up with. 01:10:52
I don't know, something out of the blue maybe? 01:10:56
Shippo or some kind of regulation, he's always the one we deal with. 01:10:59
He's our point of contact on this side. 01:11:03
And so when Joseph had done the same thing with him as well on everything we've done. 01:11:06
And the other thing on this site that those of you that don't know. 01:11:12
The Forest Service retained about 10 acres. 01:11:16
That 10 acres has a big tin building 3 big. 01:11:20
Have shot with office spaces on the end of it. 01:11:25
At first that was all coming to us as well, but they decided they wanted to keep it for like a work center and I totally agree 01:11:29
with that. I thought it was stupid of him to give it to us to be in with right there. 01:11:34
So they kept it. So what we're doing also is with the sewer system, the water system. 01:11:39
We're we're working with them on all that, working into the maintenance and whatever we needed. 01:11:46
Keep all that going. 01:11:51
If there ever comes a day when they absolutely things totally change, which may be really soon. 01:11:53
You never know, we may end up with it as well. 01:11:59
For the time being, that's that's where we're at. 01:12:02
Does that help answer some stuff? 01:12:05
Yeah, it did, and I still have a few more questions, but I'll be on pause for a minute. 01:12:08
Chairman, OK. 01:12:13
Comment Yeah. 01:12:15
So, Michael? 01:12:17
The list you've given us today and thank you for doing that. 01:12:20
Is not likely an all inclusive list of what needs to be done on the site. 01:12:26
It there's got to be more, I would think. What about the? 01:12:32
The camping. The trailer park. 01:12:37
Place where people could come and hook up. 01:12:40
RV Park. RV Park, Is that completed? Yes, it is. Oh, it is. 01:12:43
Wow. OK, so that's how many spaces? 01:12:48
66 OK. Yes, Sir. 01:12:51
So I agree. 01:12:57
And we've worked together. 01:13:00
As a county project, this is a county project, the fairgrounds county project and. 01:13:03
And I support both the projects and all, and so we have some designated money for this site. 01:13:08
So it's not like we're pulling it from some other place. It's like it's earmarked for the site. 01:13:14
303 thousand $33,000 plus. 01:13:19
Are matched, that is correct OK. 01:13:22
We have. 01:13:25
80,085 thousand match on the 333. 01:13:26
Umm, Moloch and soap. 01:13:32
Our next question is that sounds like a lot of money to me. Sounds like a lot of money. 01:13:34
And I've been working on something else where someone wanted to build a building and they got a quote. 01:13:39
Metal building. 01:13:45
With the concrete. 01:13:47
Almost 5000 square feet 200 and. 01:13:49
$240,000. 01:13:53
For the building. 01:13:55
And that and then to outfit and all that, they're just thinking, well, it's going to cost another. 01:13:57
So. 01:14:01
Where is. 01:14:06
So Woody comes in and says we can build a building. 01:14:08
For about. 01:14:13
Quarter of a million to three hundred $400,000 outfitted. Let's say that the whole thing is completed with $1,000,000. 01:14:14
1,000,005. 01:14:21
OK, uh. 01:14:22
Is that possible? 01:14:23
What is? What is he saying when he says? 01:14:25
When we get involved. 01:14:30
It ends up being twice that. 01:14:33
What? Where does he either not? 01:14:35
Understand because I look at it the same way. 01:14:39
Help us understand. 01:14:43
How we need to do this and why it costs more? 01:14:45
Chairman, members of the board, so. 01:14:50
Let me answer that without getting in too much trouble. 01:14:53
So there's a couple. 01:14:56
Supervisor Klein was mentioning the procurement process, state contractors, so there's. 01:14:58
There's a couple different. 01:15:02
Processes we follow in facilities to get these. 01:15:04
Buildings. 01:15:08
Instructed. 01:15:09
Tommy Klein, Martin Building and the Animal Control Shelter. 01:15:11
Were used use the process called design bid build. 01:15:15
So that's a. That's a lengthier process than the state contractor. 01:15:19
State contractor is. 01:15:23
Is they've already been pre screened? 01:15:25
At the state level. 01:15:28
State contractors. You hire that state contractor and give them the entire scope. 01:15:30
And you come back with a price. 01:15:35
And then they do it all. 01:15:37
The design bid build is more. 01:15:39
Labor intensive for staff. 01:15:42
Because what you have to do is you have to go out for design. In other words, hire an architect. 01:15:44
Right state procurement rules allow counties to hire an architect without going out for RFP. 01:15:49
So that's it. That's a good thing. It saves a lot of time there. You pick an architect, you interview architects, you pick a 01:15:57
particular one that you're comfortable with. 01:16:01
And then you're able to hire that architect. 01:16:05
With a contract to provide. 01:16:10
The next step, which is they will. They will. 01:16:12
Design the structure. 01:16:16
They will hire the engineers necessary. 01:16:18
In this particular situation are the Pleasant Valley. In most cases you still have to. 01:16:20
You still have to include site design, you know, where do you have to move the dirt? You know, the infrastructure, the outside 01:16:25
wastewater system, the electrical system, are they close where they, you know? 01:16:30
You have to design the on site wastewater system. 01:16:35
To handle additional load, those kinds of things. 01:16:38
The architects responsible for getting that all into the design. 01:16:41
And then the next step after that is to. 01:16:45
Go out, forbid. 01:16:48
So you send out RFQ's to companies? 01:16:50
And to see if they actually can do this type of building. 01:16:54
Right with the infrastructure. 01:16:57
And then and then you go out for RFQ. 01:16:59
And then or. 01:17:03
And then? 01:17:05
You come in front of the board. 01:17:06
We asked permission to advertise for the RP. 01:17:08
And then we go off forbid, and then we look at all the bids. 01:17:12
Individually and then we come up with the best bid, we choose the best bid whatever company number of companies will bid on it. 01:17:15
You have to go with who submits the bid. 01:17:23
And then and then staff takes a look at every item. 01:17:26
Every line item. 01:17:30
We have to determine if this is the right material, if this is. 01:17:31
The right look we want. So it's sort of Labor intensive. We we. 01:17:35
We meet with the supervisor. We meet with James Menlo, county manager. 01:17:40
Everybody involved to. 01:17:44
Go through these line items to make sure that we are getting. 01:17:45
Exactly what we want. 01:17:49
Building umm. 01:17:51
And then and then. 01:17:52
When you hire that company, then they build it. 01:17:54
Part of the process with design bid build is also the contractor you hire. 01:17:56
Will actually. 01:18:01
It's required part of the contract. It's typical to put it in there that they're required to. 01:18:02
Searching locally. 01:18:08
For subcontractors. 01:18:09
So if there's a local subcontractor that can provide the skill that they need for that building. 01:18:11
Then in fact then. 01:18:17
We ask that they hire that local contractor. 01:18:19
So that's that's the difference is. 01:18:23
Is with state contracting. It's it's a lot more streamlining. 01:18:25
Less time. 01:18:29
There's more staff involved in the design that build. 01:18:31
And you get more. 01:18:34
Input into the look and everything else like that. 01:18:35
So I hope that explains it. 01:18:38
Well, it does the process. Does it actually cost them twice as much or is? 01:18:40
Oh, we missing something in there. 01:18:46
I think what supervisor Klein and and the question you're asking me is is. 01:18:48
We don't know the cost of the building right now. 01:18:53
We have to. 01:18:56
Deal with the architect. The architect has. 01:18:58
Come up with a cost estimate as far as the building goes. 01:19:01
We have us. We have a. 01:19:05
A little bit of a cost estimate from the architect. 01:19:08
But we're meeting with her today, this afternoon to come up with a more solid cost estimate for. 01:19:11
For the building. 01:19:17
Because the building itself is 1 cost, but we're talking about the infrastructure is also an added cost to. 01:19:19
Out in that particular area, right, because we have an on site wastewater system, it's called a lagoon system. So we have to 01:19:25
addition, we have to engineer. 01:19:29
Those kinds of systems to accept the additional costs. 01:19:34
And possibly if. 01:19:38
It depends on the location because we're still, we're still nailing down what location you would like. 01:19:40
A little bit on top of the hill by the admin building or attached to the admin building. 01:19:46
So we're going to try and discuss that with the architect today. 01:19:51
To see if there's any any cost differential between the locations. 01:19:54
Would it be cheaper to add it to the admin building or would it be a better stand alone building? 01:19:59
On its own. So those are some of the questions that we have to ask. 01:20:04
OK, so I. 01:20:08
And we'll keep talking, but. 01:20:11
To me, we have three and a half million dollars earmarked for the site and it's not really. 01:20:14
We're still kind of in this. We don't know where it's going to go. We don't know. 01:20:20
What to do? But it sounds like. 01:20:24
We're getting closer to that. 01:20:27
We've had the money a couple years now or whatever it is and. 01:20:29
So yeah, I'd like to see some progress on it too. 01:20:33
And so that's forthcoming. 01:20:36
The Chairman for point of clarification. 01:20:39
Umm, the 333,000 year mark plus the 25% must be used for the ADA. 01:20:42
Cabin, so we can't use any of that funding for any other one. 01:20:49
The $3,000,000 can be used for any construction. 01:20:54
Project including. 01:20:57
If there's money leftover from whatever. 01:20:59
Building that, we're looking to add on the Community Center. If there's money leftover and the ADA compliant cabin goes over the 01:21:02
400,000, you can use that 300,000. 01:21:07
1000 or $3,000,000 to supplement that, but you can't do it the other way. 01:21:12
So what I'm saying then is, are we going to see proposals for that soon? 01:21:17
Like. 01:21:22
This is our plan. We're going to build 1000 square foot house. 01:21:24
Ada and it's going to go here. 01:21:29
And this is where we're going to. 01:21:31
You know, this is how big we're going to build this Community Center. 01:21:34
And it's going to go here. 01:21:37
I mean, are you? 01:21:39
Are we working toward that, or are we still in this vague? 01:21:40
Kind of. We don't. We don't know where we're going. 01:21:43
I will put it like this, Chairman, members of the board, yes. 01:21:45
Meeting this afternoon is going to be very. 01:21:48
To the location of a new building's size and the ADA compliant cabinet. 01:21:51
Train number. 01:21:57
Bring in all of those things. 01:21:58
We've had several meetings. 01:22:00
With the architect, supervisor, client and. 01:22:02
Manager men Love met on site with the architect out there so she knows the property very well. So yes, we are hoping in the next. 01:22:05
The next two months to at least bring something in front of the board from the architect for a contract to move forward with this 01:22:13
project. 01:22:17
For your considerations. 01:22:21
Thank you. 01:22:23
Yeah, just a question. Ben's your meeting with the architect? 01:22:25
Supervisor client brought up a like a metal building to come and be put up. 01:22:28
With the architect. 01:22:33
Yeah, the underground, the sewer modification, the electrical, all that stuff. 01:22:35
Is a cost and it's not going to change no matter the structure. 01:22:41
But as the architect looked into. 01:22:45
A metal building. 01:22:48
That's built out inside or whatever to match. 01:22:50
As well as maybe a wood structure stick frame building. 01:22:53
Because that, you know, may. 01:22:59
May change costs. What the what the building is made out of all this, all the plumbing and all that stuff. 01:23:01
Is not going to change no matter what the structures built out of. 01:23:07
But umm. 01:23:11
But I was just wondering if you could bring it up to them. 01:23:12
On cost of the structure of the building. 01:23:16
Different type. 01:23:19
Of buildings. 01:23:21
So. 01:23:23
What Michael is explaining to you is a process right there that. 01:23:28
We have. 01:23:33
And anybody can correct me that's that's fine. 01:23:36
We have to have an have an architect and we have to have it designed. It doesn't matter what we do, we have to have. 01:23:42
Those two things. 01:23:47
One of the things that I've heard this architect say that we're meeting with this afternoon. 01:23:49
I've heard her ask us two or three times what your construction costs. 01:23:55
What's your construction? 01:23:59
Well, I'm pretty simple minded if I tell you I want to build an open space 3000 square foot building with restaurants in it and a 01:24:02
little kitchen deal in them. 01:24:06
Corner design it for me. 01:24:11
I'll worry about the construction cost when I get ready to go build it. 01:24:13
Because then I may have to change it but the. 01:24:17
Fact of the matter is. 01:24:19
There's a certain percentage that they want to charge. 01:24:20
Your construction costs in addition to what they're getting. 01:24:25
It's not just a straight will pay you $5000 and you give us a architect and design. That's not the way it goes. 01:24:29
My first, my first. 01:24:37
Information from an architectural standpoint and a design for this building. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys threw me a 01:24:40
figure of $750,000. 01:24:45
I about fell over backwards. 01:24:50
You know that those those that type of money. 01:24:54
How are you going to go to the coffee club and patient with 80 veterans sitting right there and explain to them you just spent 01:24:58
$750,000 to put a plan on a piece of paper? 01:25:03
I don't want to be a part of that conversation. 01:25:09
You know. 01:25:12
It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. And that's one thing I have a problem with the lady. We're working now. Very nice 01:25:14
lady. She came out there. She looked at the site, she knows what's there. 01:25:21
Yadda yadda yadda. 01:25:27
But she doesn't need to know our construction costs. All she needs to know is what we want to build. 01:25:28
We'll worry about the construction cost when it comes to doubt, and we'll worry about whether or not we can afford it. 01:25:34
But that's not the way it works, guys. It's all based on a percentage that they're going to get in addition to. 01:25:39
And that jacks up your cost. That's why that's what Michael didn't tell you. 01:25:46
And that to me is where you go out for an open bid and you put it out there that I want a 3000 square foot building. 01:25:51
Kind of the general layout of it, which you can get on, you can get on that phone and in 5 minutes have more plans on that phone 01:26:01
than you can take a stick at. 01:26:05
Of these type of buildings. 01:26:10
They're there. 01:26:12
And for some reason, we're going away from that and all we're doing is spending money. 01:26:14
And I don't like it. 01:26:19
And so. 01:26:21
I. 01:26:22
I don't know what else to tell us to tell you guys that. That's why we come up with $3,000,000 filming. 01:26:26
Those are the kind of things that we come up with. 01:26:31
And another thing I'll tell you guys is that's going to continue to be the trend. Then I don't know why we have a big department 01:26:35
sitting over here in facilities. All we need is contracting officers. 01:26:40
If that's going to be the case. 01:26:46
You know. 01:26:48
I I'm just, I told you guys, I'm not, I'm not a patience on it and it doesn't matter which department I'm not. 01:26:50
Other patients on all of this. 01:26:57
And we have spent so much money. 01:26:59
I can't justify it. 01:27:01
There's no way. 01:27:03
I can't just define having a beefed up department and us spending these kind of this kind of money. 01:27:04
But when you ask the question, Stephen, I'm really glad you asked it. 01:27:11
Because there's another guy I found out just three days ago built a bigger building than what I was thinking about. 01:27:15
And spent just under $300,000 to build it. 01:27:22
And that was from the ground out. 01:27:26
And there's a three Bay. 01:27:29
Open Red Iron Building. 01:27:30
And so if you think about that and you use those figures and you do your research and do your homework. 01:27:34
There is no reason in my simple way of thinking that we can't build 1000 square foot handicapped building and whatever we want 01:27:40
whether it's an add on to the main building or a stand alone building. 01:27:46
For 3 1/2 or a million and a half dollars, there's no reason why we can't do that and probably have money leftover. 01:27:51
I'm not going to ask it this way. Well, maybe I will. Where is he wrong? 01:28:02
Why do we have to hire our? 01:28:05
What architect sounds expensive versus say? 01:28:10
A plan. Someone that draws plans. 01:28:13
So I'll piggyback on the supervisor Klein's. 01:28:16
Thought process it. 01:28:20
The typical. 01:28:22
Industry standard when you're talking about a big construction project is. 01:28:24
The architect. 01:28:29
You know, gets the construction total construction cost. 01:28:30
And they? 01:28:35
We'll charge you a percentage of that. 01:28:36
To be part of it. So that's what Supervisor Klein is talking about. There's an industry standard out there. You don't have to 01:28:39
follow it. It's just a standard, right? 01:28:43
And so. 01:28:47
Don't, don't, don't quote me on this, but I think it's around 15%. 01:28:48
Of the total cost of construction. So that's why a lot of architecture asked. 01:28:54
Because the bigger the project, the more. 01:28:58
Design and architect. 01:29:01
Those kinds of things go into the project so that. 01:29:03
Umm, that's what the industry is is like out there. 01:29:07
So can we circumvent that or is that required that we go after that? Well, I was also going to say. 01:29:10
Chairman, members of the board that. 01:29:16
We cannot circumvent that. 01:29:18
We need to design and engineer the entire project. 01:29:20
It has to be built the current building code. 01:29:25
ASAP was quite clear about that. 01:29:28
And it has to meet all of the all of the current building code fire codes. 01:29:31
And electrical codes. So that's that's why sometimes. 01:29:36
Especially depending on the use of this building. 01:29:40
It might require fire suppression system which is not cheap. 01:29:43
And out there, you might have to bring in its own water. 01:29:47
We don't know these kinds of things. That's sort of what we're going to be meeting with the architect and asking. 01:29:50
You know, is there a certain use of the building that we don't have to have fire suppression? 01:29:55
Is that what we so there, there's all sorts of questions. We're going to try and hopefully get some of these answers this 01:30:00
afternoon, Sir. 01:30:03
OK, the I had a good friend. 01:30:06
He passed away last year, but. 01:30:10
He was not an architect, but what he did is he drew plans for people. 01:30:13
It was really good. 01:30:17
And of course you need all the codes. 01:30:18
And he drew the plan for the house remodel. 01:30:21
Whatever. 01:30:24
Structures and all that. 01:30:25
And I'm sure his price was. 01:30:27
According to how many hours you have into it or you know. 01:30:29
That kind of thing. Is that an option to go that way rather than a? 01:30:33
You know, a licensed architect. 01:30:36
Chairman, members of the board, I would say. 01:30:39
No. The special use permit calls for a professional license, engineering and architectures. 01:30:41
Architectural drawings. So we have to follow the special use permit, but even if we have the property owned outright, we still 01:30:47
have to. 01:30:52
The building code which requires. 01:30:57
Engineering and licensing and architects as well. 01:31:00
So the person you're meeting with today, would you consider that person to charge what is standard in the industry for that? 01:31:04
She after conversations with Supervisor Klein and Mr. Menlo, she has agreed to a different. 01:31:12
Type of. 01:31:19
Structure for her fees that are not the industry standards. So I believe, I believe. 01:31:20
In fact, it's cheaper than the industry standard in the in the end. 01:31:26
OK, be anxious to hear that. 01:31:32
You know, I I would just like to add to when you're. 01:31:35
When you're talking residential or commercial. 01:31:38
There's a huge difference there is in cost because. 01:31:41
For a commercial building, especially with an insurance company with insurance the way it is, hey. 01:31:45
Yeah, it gets. It gets pretty nitpicky if you're going to have. 01:31:52
Commercial rather than residential. 01:31:57
There's also. 01:32:00
There's a number of folks. 01:32:03
That it will accommodate has different standards too. 01:32:05
And so we've we've kicked that one around a lot because. 01:32:09
Because that site will only handle 36 people. 01:32:13
Or it will hold the pitfall. 01:32:17
Looking about 36 people. 01:32:19
And so we settled on about 100. 01:32:21
People just say, OK, we'll pat it 100. 01:32:23
And 100 people needs 20 to 25 square feet of space for a meeting room. 01:32:26
That's national standards. 01:32:32
Well, that's 2500 square foot building. 01:32:35
And so that's why we said, OK, well, 2500, let's look at 3000 by the time we had restrooms and you know, little kitchen or 01:32:39
whatever. 01:32:42
And the last conversation with this lady was because Michael's right on the. 01:32:46
The sprinkler systems and stuff in there, that can get real costly. That's one of the things like in the courthouse in Payson, 01:32:52
that's costing us a ton of money. 01:32:57
Umm, but anyway, she's she was kind of saying that I'll go back and check because of the number of people. 01:33:01
Will dictate that as well, so I don't know where that's going I. 01:33:10
I really don't know. 01:33:14
I umm. 01:33:15
I I look forward to the meeting this afternoon. 01:33:19
I do. 01:33:21
And we do need. 01:33:22
Needed to be. 01:33:24
Design and architect no matter what. 01:33:25
We have to do that because even if we went out for open bids. 01:33:28
People have to know what they're bidding on and it's all about to be the same. 01:33:32
So we know that. 01:33:35
I just. 01:33:39
Well, I've already said my spill. 01:33:42
And you're a builder, Tim. I mean you. 01:33:44
Homes and everything else. 01:33:47
You know if anybody thinks I'm wrong and I'm looking at this difference. 01:33:49
You need to tell me. 01:33:53
But I don't see it. 01:33:55
I really don't see it. And infrastructure, Michael's right, a lot of that infrastructure can. 01:33:57
Can really cost you a lot of money. Fact of the matter is. 01:34:02
That site plan has already been developed for that whole. 01:34:06
Area. 01:34:10
Government did that long time ago when they did the. 01:34:11
The sewer systems and all that. 01:34:14
It's all put in there. 01:34:16
Nothing's changed. 01:34:17
Nothing's been added. 01:34:19
Or taken away, it's all the same. 01:34:21
So like site plan development on and on on. 01:34:23
Location is a big one. He's right. Which? 01:34:26
Both locations, whether it's the add-on or a new standalone building, everything is right there. Literally the power lines within 01:34:29
75 feet of the building if we build it. 01:34:34
With a transformer already on it. 01:34:39
Waters within 100. 01:34:41
Feet Sewers within another 200 feet. 01:34:43
So all of that is right there and. 01:34:46
There's I don't know. 01:34:53
I guess I just. 01:34:55
I get real frustrated when we have a department sitting there. 01:34:58
And when I when I was arguing with these guys on it all and and saying we'll go out for open bid. 01:35:02
This is ridiculous. Yadda yadda yadda. First thing I hear, and correct me if I'm wrong, Michael. 01:35:08
Is they need more staffing in the in the department, it can take up to four years to get this thing built. 01:35:14
Wrong thing to say to me again, you know, because I'm like James, you give me the money, you give me a half, $1,000,000 and I'll 01:35:21
have that thing built in less than six months. 01:35:26
That's real life. 01:35:31
That's what happens today. 01:35:33
And this building isn't nothing exceptional. 01:35:35
It's a run-of-the-mill type building. 01:35:38
We're not asking for exceptional type. 01:35:41
Fancy on and on on. 01:35:44
It's all there. I watched the big building and you did too, right there in Star Valley on on that property across from the. 01:35:46
The gas station go up and it went up in less than six months. 01:35:53
It's a big tin building. 01:35:58
Right there and so. 01:36:00
You know, I guess my issue is is I cannot. 01:36:02
Draw that line, or agree with that line between reality and governmental. 01:36:06
That's always been a problem to me. 01:36:12
And I think that's one of the things where I think. 01:36:14
Us sitting in this chairs, that's where our accountability comes from for our people. 01:36:17
It's like, you know, are we going to keep? 01:36:22
Running things that the government way, which is a lot of times it just borrow money at projects or we're going to do like the 01:36:25
people that have to build something do. 01:36:29
They they get down to the brass tacks, they get it done. It's built. 01:36:33
Finished and. 01:36:37
So, well, I'm ready to. 01:36:40
Keep going with it and get it done. We got the money. 01:36:45
Only going to cost more later. 01:36:49
And we have to spend it on. 01:36:51
So. 01:36:53
I think I would support. 01:36:55
Let's come up with a list. Let's come up with a plan. Let's come up with. 01:36:57
Progress. 01:37:01
That's what I'd like to see. 01:37:03
I've got a couple more questions. Sure, go ahead. 01:37:07
OK, now. 01:37:10
Where our special use permit. 01:37:13
To offer services for veterans. 01:37:16
What services are we offering? 01:37:20
Too many members of the board. If I may turn this over to supervisor client. 01:37:25
Absolutely. You might know better than I do. 01:37:29
Absolutely. 01:37:32
The whole services part of it. 01:37:34
Jim, the service that we offer right now today. 01:37:37
Is the peace and tranquility of that side especially for like PTSD? 01:37:40
People, uh. 01:37:45
People with families that are want to go somewhere for a reconnect. 01:37:46
A lot of people do that anymore, you know, people. 01:37:52
Coming back from deployment, their families, they'll go spend a week somewhere or a weekend or things like that. 01:37:55
The other services that we talked about in the past was there's through the VA system. 01:38:02
There's the. 01:38:09
The medical the. 01:38:11
Add administrative general. 01:38:12
Article all the mobile units that go around to different places and they set up for. 01:38:15
A day, 2 days, whatever it is, it's a circuit is what it is. 01:38:21
We haven't gotten that far yet because. 01:38:25
We're still trying to. 01:38:29
Really get going. I mean, we have people using it. Yes, we're there, but. 01:38:32
But that part of the services we really haven't. 01:38:37
Gotten to those yet, but those would be a list of the type services that could be used in that. 01:38:40
Site. 01:38:46
OK. 01:38:50
Yeah, that's fine. And so. 01:38:52
Were able to furnish. 01:38:55
Those services. 01:38:57
I guess. I guess where I'm at is we've had so much trouble with the gifting clause with. 01:39:00
Where we spend and what we spend, right? And the auditors come and stand in front of us. 01:39:05
On the services that we're offering now. 01:39:12
Are are we in the? Are we in the green with? 01:39:17
Yes. 01:39:20
We are the one, the one big group that has come in and it's kind of adopted us. 01:39:22
Basically. 01:39:27
Is I wish Kathy was still in that she'd tell you the exact name of it. It's a motorcycle group. 01:39:28
That their main office is in Colorado. 01:39:33
And something therapy. 01:39:36
Anyway, they they come in and spend a week at a time on that site. They usually stay in the barracks right there. They bring their 01:39:41
people with them. 01:39:46
They bring their insurance with them. 01:39:52
And what they do is they schedule these big long motorcycle rides. 01:39:54
They bring the motorcycles, they bring everything. 01:39:59
They make these big long day trips. 01:40:01
And by long I mean like leave young, go to show low, come back to Salt River Canyon, go back up to South Road and go back. 01:40:04
And then in the evening they have their therapy sessions. 01:40:12
I was. 01:40:16
I was invited me and. 01:40:19
Being Kathy and Lacey. 01:40:21
I think Lethal is there too. But anyway, they invited us all to come have dinner with. 01:40:26
Be a part of this therapy session. It was something. 01:40:30
Tell you it was really, really interesting, but that's what they do every day. 01:40:34
And so they take people, people apply for this. 01:40:38
Week, let's say. 01:40:42
From all different parts of the country. 01:40:44
When we were there with them that evening, there was one person from Hawaii. 01:40:47
There was, I think a couple from Texas and there was one from Pennsylvania. 01:40:51
So they fly in these folks together. 01:40:56
Bring them to young, they have their motorcycles there. 01:40:59
They give them a briefing on the motorcycles which the county. 01:41:03
Because of the insurance and liability and all that stuff, wasn't didn't want to do it. So I got property there in young. They go 01:41:08
around my property, they do a little ride. It's not a fast ride. It just makes sure everybody's got some balance. 01:41:14
And they put me on their their insurance to cover that. 01:41:20
For the afternoon. 01:41:24
They did their little right and then they're often gone for the week than those different things. 01:41:26
That's the one major group we have. 01:41:30
We had another Medical Group come in there and bring about 20 people with them. One time spent. 01:41:34
Almost a week, I want to say. And the same thing. They brought their own people. 01:41:40
Their only insurance policies we had. 01:41:44
We didn't have a cost in there. 01:41:47
Now when you talk about gifting. 01:41:50
I'm gonna bring. I'm gonna talk about this. James will correct me if I'm wrong. 01:41:52
We get handled every day. Hell, we can't even give them. 01:41:56
Football team a dollar without. 01:42:01
Justifying it and all that. We all know that. 01:42:04
Otherwise, Joe gets after us. 01:42:07
But. 01:42:09
What we've done is we've put together the nonprofit. 01:42:10
Part of this site. 01:42:15
Kathy's a member of it. 01:42:17
The rest of the members are from Payson Phoenix Globe. 01:42:19
Other places around. 01:42:23
So what they're going to do is they raise money to support this. 01:42:25
So James is working up a cost. 01:42:31
Kind of a somewhat cost what it costs for. 01:42:34
Let's just say someone to stay in the house for a night. 01:42:37
And that cost? 01:42:40
Will be reimbursed to the county from the nonprofit side. 01:42:43
Out of funds that they've raised, donations they've received. 01:42:48
Things of that nature. 01:42:53
And right now today they're doing really good on the fundraising and donations and everything. Like, I don't know, some of you 01:42:55
guys, I know Rick's been to it, Alex, I know you've been to the. 01:43:00
Auction in pace and really good deal for an afternoon evening. 01:43:06
Last one we had I think raised around $60,000. 01:43:10
And so that will be reimbursed back to the county to offset the cost of actually people coming in. 01:43:15
And stay in. 01:43:23
My biggest thing was and has always been, is I don't want veterans to pay a dime out of their pocket. 01:43:24
Unless they want to donate something or contribute whatever, that's fine if they want to do it. 01:43:30
But I don't want us to say, you know, it's gonna cost you $100 for the night or you can't stay here. 01:43:35
That's not what this project is about. 01:43:41
So having this in place. 01:43:44
Meets that and meets the gifting clause and laws and things like that. Does that answer your question? It it does, but like I said 01:43:47
earlier in the conversation, 260,000 a year. 01:43:53
To operate the place. 01:43:59
Don't want to get thank you for bringing that in trouble with the auditors. 01:44:02
Right, going forward and. 01:44:06
And there's gonna be more discussion on that because when I looked at that list to begin with, I think there's some added. 01:44:09
There, I'm just saying this. 01:44:14
So we need to look at that carefully. Not only do we need to look at that, but we can't use that as a true factor. 01:44:17
A true measurement because in normal times. 01:44:23
From about the end of November until, let's just say, April. 01:44:27
That site's probably gonna have to be limited because of weather. 01:44:31
So we're not really going to have a cost other than the two folks that live there which are work there, not live there. Well, they 01:44:36
live in young. 01:44:39
That worked there and that's when we have the chance to do maintenance type projects, things like that. 01:44:43
But it's, you know, keeping the lights on, keeping the water, keeping the heat on in the winter time costs money. 01:44:49
But so a lot of that under a normal year. 01:44:55
Will will be reduced. 01:44:58
Yeah. It's just, you know, these are questions that come up and and I can't. 01:45:01
Talk to you in the whole again. 01:45:05
Can't talk to either one of you and so that's why we have these work sessions is to be able to ask questions. 01:45:07
And and know kind of where we're going forward other than just the information that we get. 01:45:15
In an agenda meeting when we have to vote on something. 01:45:20
You know, then we try to get it, but but, you know, this is kind of an open door. 01:45:23
Conversation where we can ask questions and kind of find out. 01:45:28
More of what's going on. And so the other thing I'm gonna tell both of you, I'm gonna talk about the insurance a little bit, 01:45:32
James. 01:45:36
ACIP will cover all the buildings. 01:45:41
And things like that. 01:45:45
That's what ACIP covers. 01:45:46
The people coming in. 01:45:49
We ended up finding another insurance company for an umbrella. 01:45:52
Insurance that will cover that part of it or the event. 01:45:57
No for well. 01:46:01
Normally Jim, when when we say event, it's like a bigger group for a weekend or week. 01:46:03
Those people, most of those people, will probably be bringing their own engines with them. 01:46:10
If not, this may cover too as well or we get a little extra but. 01:46:14
Normally just a couple that walks in and spends the weekend. 01:46:18
That's where this umbrella coverage is going to cover. 01:46:22
So that's in addition. 01:46:25
To asim, but that's the breakout on the insurance sides. 01:46:27
And that's where we're at today. 01:46:31
Chairman. Members of the board. 01:46:36
If I could add a supervisor clients comments about the insurance. 01:46:38
Individuals, families that come to the property, we do now have a liability insurance policy to cover all of that. 01:46:42
Umm, what we're going to be moving to for events Supervisor Humphries is very is exactly what we do out at the fairgrounds. 01:46:49
There's a group of people that come to. 01:46:59
Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat. They're gonna have to fill out an application. 01:47:02
That application will have to be reviewed by the Sheriff's Department. 01:47:06
To determine whether or not security is needed. 01:47:11
That's what the process we do out the fairground. 01:47:14
And they will need to provide us with a liability insurance policy for the group. 01:47:17
So we will require that for any group other than individuals and families that come and see at the property. 01:47:23
I hope that answers your question. 01:47:31
Yeah, that does. 01:47:33
Mr. Chair, the mask. 01:47:37
Any anything to say you've been you've been sitting pretty quiet today and we've covered a. 01:47:41
A lot of ground. 01:47:47
Mr. Chairman, Survivor Humphrey, thank you. 01:47:50
I will say I. 01:47:53
Not sure if we mentioned it, but everybody that comes there signs a waiver. 01:47:54
You know that they. 01:47:58
Wave the county having in the in responsibility. 01:48:00
Given our litigious society, we have the umbrella policy and things that. 01:48:05
Covers just in case. 01:48:10
Umm. 01:48:13
I hesitate to do this but. 01:48:19
Well, I'm going to do it anyway, Michael. I've given these these specific projects. 01:48:23
Said Michael. 01:48:28
We want to move forward on these certain things that are listed, a few of them. 01:48:30
And we want them done in six months. We want them done by Christmas. 01:48:36
Or by Thanksgiving, I guess is the time so. 01:48:40
We're trying to put a specific time frame for getting things done. 01:48:44
Thank you for your conversation today. 01:48:48
We will be getting substantial substantiated numbers. 01:48:51
Of what these different projects are, how much the cost? 01:48:56
Umm, I've. 01:49:00
To be honest with with the financing and stuff like that. 01:49:06
I was doing this building and. 01:49:09
I think $3,000,000 that we can use that for smaller things. 01:49:12
And then the money's gone and seeing how that is, that it goes quickly. 01:49:16
When we start using little chunks of money out of that $3,000,000. 01:49:22
And my preference has been. 01:49:27
Not my decision at all. 01:49:30
And so this has been very informative of what all three of you together, what your preferences are and how we go forward on this. 01:49:32
But. 01:49:39
Talking to Michael this morning. 01:49:40
Projects that he's spoken of is about a half, $1,000,000 in total. 01:49:42
Potentially using LATCF money for that and. 01:49:46
Half million dollars. 01:49:50
Keeping up $3,000,000. 01:49:52
But if we will truly can go there and get even if it's. 01:49:54
A million and a half dollars. We still have a lot of money left, so. 01:49:59
We need to get that those amounts substantiated and then we can say, OK, if we do that then we've got $1,000,000 then we can just 01:50:03
use. 01:50:07
On these projects that have been known today. 01:50:11
And that's why this meeting today with. 01:50:14
An architect is so critical. 01:50:17
Call. 01:50:20
I guess they have a question of umm. 01:50:24
Her attorney is being that we are allowed to be together today and it's been advertised. 01:50:26
Could I maybe sit in in the architect meeting means that we've already. 01:50:34
Been advertised to be together today. 01:50:39
And the same building. 01:50:42
Or am I invited I guess? 01:50:45
Yeah, I didn't know if the posting for our meeting today. 01:51:18
Would cover. 01:51:22
A secondary meeting so it hasn't been advertised. 01:51:24
So that answers my question. 01:51:27
OK, that answers my question. 01:51:30
Noticeably made. 01:51:34
OK. 01:51:40
Ask and answer. Thank you. 01:51:41
11 more thing I want to bring up. 01:51:44
Find you guys too. 01:51:46
Is back when we made our first push on getting some things done on the Vet Center, one of our Hangouts was being able to. 01:51:49
Have enough meetings to approve? 01:51:56
The cost? 01:52:00
Because James could only sign up to 50,000. 01:52:02
We've made a decision and upped that 50,000 for the Vet Center. 01:52:05
To 100,000 for James. 01:52:11
And I don't know if you guys remember that or not. 01:52:13
But that's still in place today. 01:52:15
The other thing I want to say to you, and I want to thank you both for being part of this work session. 01:52:18
But we've talked about this, and I remember talking to James about back then, too. If something comes up, we don't. 01:52:24
We don't have to wait for the next scheduled meeting if something important needs to be addressed. 01:52:31
We just get with James and. 01:52:38
And he gets with with Stephen. 01:52:41
Go on, have a meeting. 01:52:44
Now I just want you guys to remember that. So like Tim, when you looked at the managers. 01:52:46
Report and you see those costs and he signs often. 01:52:53
A $90,000 deal with Historic Corps. 01:52:56
We agreed to let him do that up to $100,000. 01:53:00
Mr. Sherman. 01:53:04
Yes, Sir. 01:53:05
Michael's researched that. 01:53:07
And apparently I do not have authority. 01:53:09
To go up to the $100,000, we can discuss it, but. 01:53:13
Looking back at the records. 01:53:16
I was not given. 01:53:18
That additional authority for the Pleasant Valley veterans. 01:53:20
So the limit is the same As for all other county contracts is less than $50,000. 01:53:23
I believe. 01:53:29
Where did we drop the ball on that one? It's it's related to ARPA, I think, from what the way I was. 01:53:30
And now that we're out of our money, we need to revisit that. 01:53:37
Brexit chairman, Members of the board so. 01:53:41
Supervisor client, there was a resolution passed a couple of years ago and voted on by this board and passed. 01:53:44
That did give Mr. Menlo the authority to sign contracts up to 100,000 with Pleasant Valley Veteran Tree. 01:53:51
And I took a look at that resolution that I reached out to the County Attorney last week just to get some clarification on that. 01:53:59
So if you look at the resolution. 01:54:03
There there are. There appears to be a couple. 01:54:07
Qualifying. 01:54:13
Things in that which is it was related directly to ARPA funds. 01:54:15
And this these projects are not going to be ARPA funded. 01:54:19
We're almost expanded with all our Arpaio. 01:54:23
And then the work session which led to the resolution. The work session was a week before this. 01:54:27
And I listened to the audio and it was. 01:54:32
It was in basically the discussion was the $1.6 million renovation to the two barracks and the admin building. 01:54:35
So that was where the board in. 01:54:41
And Mr. Menlo, we're trying to get an expedited process. 01:54:44
So currently, right now, the County Attorney believes that. 01:54:48
If. 01:54:52
That is what the board chooses to. 01:54:53
To move forward with granting Mr. Member of that permission again, it would have to be. 01:54:56
A new resolution. 01:55:01
Please let me know. 01:55:03
You know, see, that's you guys. That's that's what really. 01:55:06
Irritates me is when I send these meetings and I make a comment like that fully knowing we made that decision to let him go to 01:55:10
100,000 and then you sit here and tell me that no, it's still the 50,000. 01:55:16
I have a phone I pack accounting phone to the accounting pays for. 01:55:23
You better start calling me and telling me because when I opened my mouth and I say things, I want it to be right. I don't want to 01:55:28
sit here. 01:55:32
With my foot, my mouth and make these statements and you guys are saying here not sharing information like that. 01:55:36
That ****** me off and I don't like it. 01:55:43
And so from now on, it happens again, we're going to have some issues. 01:55:46
I want to know the facts. I want to know where we're going. 01:55:49
Want to know what we're doing and I want to know what's been done. 01:55:55
And I think each and everyone of us have a right for that. 01:55:58
As well. 01:56:02
Not to wait until we're in a meeting like this, a work session where we can finally talk about things and have this come up. 01:56:04
Mr. Driscoll, So. 01:56:17
I think we need to revisit. 01:56:23
This spending limit. 01:56:25
I really do. 01:56:26
And I don't care whether the spending limit is 50,075 or 100,000. I think James has shown a great deal of prudence with our money. 01:56:28
So if we need to revisit this and say let's just do a different schedule or we're concerned or not concerned. 01:56:38
Let's just raise the limit to 100,000 on all contracts. 01:56:45
As a suggestion. 01:56:49
And you can then therefore come to us and say the reason why we should. 01:56:53
Look at This is because. 01:56:58
The increased prices of this or whatever. 01:57:00
The 100,000 is or the pre approval is. 01:57:03
It is a pre approval. 01:57:07
We still approve that later. 01:57:09
And if we find that spending is out of control? 01:57:12
We can rein that back, but I have not noticed. 01:57:16
That, Mister Men love, is reckless with our money at all, in fact, very prudent with it. 01:57:20
And so if we need to consider raising it to 100,000. 01:57:25
To accommodate the concerns we have of PV and maybe others. 01:57:28
Maybe we should look at. 01:57:34
That, Mr. Chair, let me add something and clarify this point. 01:57:36
If James doesn't have the authorization to spend. 01:57:40
More than 50,000 whatever like you said, whatever that. 01:57:45
Is and when we're getting into these projects, that means what we have to do is put it on an agenda. 01:57:48
Bring it back in front of this board for weeks, 5 weeks down the road. 01:57:55
And get this done. That was the big thing at the time. 01:58:00
Was the fact that it just kept going on and on and on. 01:58:03
When in fact a lot of these projects. 01:58:08
You know, can can be done and then we look at it in James's report. James is awesome when it comes to keeping the financial stuff 01:58:13
up. 01:58:17
He's the best I know. 01:58:21
And so I had no no problem there. 01:58:22
My biggest problem is is when we don't have the latitude to move, we can't move, we can't do things and next thing you know, we're 01:58:24
six weeks down the road trying to get something done. 01:58:30
That's a lot of frustration level. 01:58:36
Chairman, members of the board with. 01:58:39
Considering a new resolution, I think the two legalities that are in the. 01:58:42
Original resolution would still be and Joe can correct me if I'm wrong. 01:58:47
Would be that. 01:58:51
Umm, any contract in between 50 and 100,000? 01:58:54
For the county manager, if he's given that exception for Pleasant Valley to sign contracts up to 100,000. 01:58:57
Would have to be approved to form by the County Attorney. 01:59:03
And it also would have to be approved. 01:59:07
By the board. So it would be I guess a good term that you use. Supervisor Christensen was pre approval. 01:59:10
That's basically what it was. 01:59:17
It was a pre approval, but that contract would still have to be brought up in front of the board to vote on in. A County Attorney 01:59:19
would have to approve that contract to form. 01:59:23
The idea is to just expedite. 01:59:28
The process. 01:59:31
So when it comes to PV or when it comes to. 01:59:33
Other project and I bring up the. 01:59:38
The other big project which is the fairgrounds. 01:59:41
If there needs to be. 01:59:45
And we know that we want paving done. We know we want. 01:59:47
Fence put up. 01:59:51
And it's at 60,000. 01:59:52
I don't see why, if we all sort of know that that's the direction we're going, that we need to. 01:59:56
Micromanage. 02:00:01
At 50,000. 02:00:04
I would be willing. 02:00:06
Myself. 02:00:08
To draw a new line. 02:00:09
And 100 Chairman members of the board, I'll defer back to Mr. Member, then County Attorney's office and. 02:00:11
Marion over in finance, that would be something we'd all have to agree on. 02:00:18
Or. 02:00:22
Yes, Sir, so. 02:00:25
Maybe for another day you can present why that would be a good idea. 02:00:27
Not just because I suggested it. 02:00:32
Absolutely, Sir. 02:00:33
I like your suggestion. 02:00:35
So I think we've heard quite a bit about what's coming. 02:00:38
I'm excited about what's coming and. 02:00:43
I think we still need to make some decisions on priorities. 02:00:47
And I agree completely that we don't want to whittle away the 3,000,000 so much that now we can't do. 02:00:50
A big project. 02:00:57
We start with the big. 02:00:58
Work on the little. 02:01:00
Mr. Hopefully. 02:01:03
Anything else? 02:01:04
I would just say we work on what insurance wants us to do to be able to function as a facility. 02:01:05
Read the fact Mr. Klein anymore, OK? 02:01:12
All right, So let's close our discussion now. Thank you, Michael. 02:01:17
Item 2C is Information Discussion action. 02:01:24
To consider the option of cancelling intergovernmental agreement #24-00. 02:01:28
09581 Dash. 02:01:34
Between the state of Arizona and Hewitt County for Arizona Department of Transportation product. 02:01:37
Project number CHI 053601, D slash O3D/01C. 02:01:43
Which is the Golden Hill Rd. sidewalk final phase project? 02:01:52
Under Section 3, Item 4, Cancellation of the IGA. 02:01:56
And if the IGA is canceled, he will accounting will provide the required 30 day prior. 02:02:00
Written notice at least 30 days before the award of the project. 02:02:05
Contract good. 02:02:09
Barely. Morning, Mr. 02:02:11
Mr. White, Thank you, Chairman. 02:02:14
Board of Supervisors. 02:02:17
So this is where the Golden Hill sidewalk project, obviously. 02:02:20
This, as you know, we've got the design done. We got a TA grant we put in for in 2023. 02:02:23
That we put in for for design and construction. 02:02:31
The design was the first phase of that. So we went through the design and here we are in 25 and we've got the cost estimates that 02:02:35
come in. 02:02:39
Quite a bit higher than what? 02:02:43
Our original estimate was in 2023. There's a few factors for that and. 02:02:45
One of the recommendations that. 02:02:51
I'd be making moving forward is when we put in for these grants that we put in for design. 02:02:53
Only actually the. 02:02:59
The team is thinking along these lines. 02:03:01
Is we put in for the design? 02:03:03
Get the design done and then the following year you put in four. 02:03:06
The construction funding, a lot of times what happens, especially with these grants? 02:03:10
When you get into the design, you realize they become more complex than you think they're going to be. On this particular project, 02:03:15
we have curb and gutter. We have saw milling that we're doing. We're doing a lot more. 02:03:20
You know, saw cutting of the of the roadway and patchback. 02:03:26
It just was a lot more than what we originally intended. 02:03:31
So by putting it in just for the design, first getting the design done, then you have actual cost. 02:03:35
That you can then put in for the grant and you get the actual grant amount. What happened with this is we put into the design and 02:03:42
the construction. Not going with the construction would be. 02:03:46
Construction came in significantly higher. 02:03:51
And what what ends up happening with these TA grants is that. 02:03:54
If the. 02:03:57
Actual cost comes in higher than what? 02:04:00
The grant estimate was that you put in for. 02:04:03
You pay the difference. 02:04:07
So we're paying the complete difference. 02:04:09
Of what this went over from our original. 02:04:12
Estimate two years ago. 02:04:15
So really with the estimate, it's. 02:04:18
We use 23 numbers and we're now sitting here in 25. The design was a lot more. 02:04:21
In detail than. 02:04:26
Than what we thought it would be. It was a little more. 02:04:30
Cumbersome than we thought the project would be, a lot more elements to it grows the cost. 02:04:34
And also adopt project management fees were. 02:04:40
Significantly higher than what we thought they were going to be when we put into the. 02:04:45
I think we thought it would be somewhere around 68,000 that came in at 205,000, which really kind of caught the team off guard. 02:04:49
On that. So our recommendation is we've got the design done. 02:04:55
We put in for Main St. 02:05:01
DA grant for Main Street to do the design on that. 02:05:03
So what we want to do is we want to get the design done on Main Street, We've got the design done on Golden Hills. 02:05:06
And then put in for a DEA grant. 02:05:12
For the whole thing. 02:05:15
And then we're going to know exactly what the cost is, the design is going to be done. 02:05:16
And we could do the entire project. 02:05:21
At one time and actually have. 02:05:23
The design to guide us on what that cost is going to be. 02:05:25
So that when we put that out and we get the bids in. 02:05:29
We're paying closer to 5.7%. 02:05:33
Because now we know what the actual numbers are versus what would be paying if we move forward the day, which is about 54%. 02:05:36
So our cost went up from like 20. 02:05:42
3 or 28,000. 02:05:44
To 541,000 if we want to move forward. 02:05:46
So and and to top that off, one of the things is. 02:05:50
They gave us a preliminary estimate, a dot, and they gave us a preliminary estimate February. 02:05:54
But they just gave us the final estimate. 02:06:01
At the beginning of. 02:06:04
So like, OK, if you want to move forward with it, the county needs to come with an extra $570,000. And by the way, we need to 02:06:06
check by May 30th. 02:06:09
So we'd have to actually we approve this today. 02:06:14
Somehow, me and Marian would have to figure out. 02:06:17
How we're going to get and get it over to them, but our recommendation from staff. 02:06:20
Is let's move forward with the design of Main Street and then that's put in for a construction grant to cover the whole cost so 02:06:27
that we're paying 5.7 the whole project. 02:06:32
Versus 54%. 02:06:37
Thank you Supervisor for free. 02:06:41
Yeah, this, this has been a crazy project since I've been a supervisor. There's been design and then the facilities were in the 02:06:43
way and then there was lawsuits and then there was lawsuits were settled and then. 02:06:49
Started over and we ended up with an asphalt walkway instead of concrete on the upper part. 02:06:55
And so it just continues to be a complete can of worms. 02:07:00
But I I can't. 02:07:04
Justify asking you to spend that money. 02:07:06
To finish this project because we've been without the lower sidewalk and things for for. 02:07:09
For this long, I don't see why we can't be without it a little longer because the cost is just gotten crazy. 02:07:15
I totally agree. 02:07:25
No, it's it's good. 02:07:26
Great. Thank you for your presentation. With that, I'll call for motion. 02:07:29
Uh, I'll make a motion to consider the option of cancelling your governmental agreement IGA number. 02:07:35
IGA 240009581. 02:07:43
Dash I between the state of Arizona and Gila County for Arizona Department of Transportation project number. 02:07:47
T-0536 Zero 1D/03D. 02:07:54
Slash O1C Golden Hill sidewalk final phase project. 02:07:59
Under Section 3, Item 4, Cancellation of the. 02:08:03
I will second that motion. 02:08:08
We have a motion in the second to approve. Those in favor say aye. 02:08:09
Aye, aye. Thank you. 02:08:13
We're going to table item 2D. 02:08:15
And move on to item 2E. 02:08:18
Information discussion to review. 02:08:21
Draft Public Works Department policy number PWS dash. 024 dash. 02:08:24
Which is prohibition of personal. 02:08:30
Kind of equipment and resources and draft policy. 02:08:33
PWS Dash. 02:08:36
02/5. 02:08:38
Fall protection. 02:08:40
Program Mr. White. 02:08:42
Thank you, Chairman. Board of Supervisors. I'm actually going to, if it's OK with the board, I'm going to. 02:08:43
Take the file protection one first, because I think that's going to be pretty straightforward and simple. 02:08:49
That one is we're we're making some modifications to that one. 02:08:54
Just based on the a doc. 02:08:58
Inspection that we had recently, we're making updates to that to be more in compliance with what Adosh is looking for. 02:09:03
It used to be a a. 02:09:10
A pitfall policy. We're just changing it to a standard fall policy. 02:09:14
Fall protection program, so it's a little more inclusive of what ADAS wants to see. 02:09:20
As far as fall protecting when we do the meetings. 02:09:26
What different things we cover, you know, how we mark things, where they're, where there could be slips and falls. So that's just. 02:09:30
Getting this policy more in line with what? 02:09:37
Adosh is looking for. 02:09:41
And I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have on that particular policy before I jump into the the other one. Thank 02:09:43
you, Supervisor Humphrey. 02:09:47
I have no question supervisor client, I'm good. 02:09:51
OK, thank you. Keep going. Alright, thank you. The other one's a new one. 02:09:54
And this has nothing to do with a gosh, it's really just to kind of clarify the the county has an existing policy right now where. 02:10:00
It deals mainly with vehicles. You can't, you know. 02:10:08
Not using county vehicles for. 02:10:12
Personal use. 02:10:16
If you have to take one home if you're on a call or something. 02:10:18
You know that you can't use that that vehicle for personal use and it has one little simple line in there that also says. 02:10:21
You can't use county property. 02:10:29
For your own use. 02:10:31
One of the things that. 02:10:34
That, umm, I've seen since I've been here and and I see. 02:10:36
I've seen it in a couple of different places that I've worked, but. 02:10:43
With Fleet, I'm going to call it Fleet. I know it's General Services that it's referred to, but. 02:10:48
For the Fleet Department or the General Services Department. 02:10:54
There, there's a lot of opportunity. 02:10:59
For. 02:11:03
Misuse of the county property. 02:11:06
When? 02:11:09
Only because it's just, it's right there, it's readily available, it's easy to do. But. 02:11:11
We have. 02:11:16
Employees that are bringing their personal vehicles into the shop. 02:11:18
And and working on their personal vehicles. 02:11:22
And and, you know, that's that's one of the things that. 02:11:26
Generally, the public doesn't look very good at. 02:11:31
Most of our complaints when we get these, as a matter of fact, we've had some recently, but it's. 02:11:34
It's the public that notices this. 02:11:39
And the weekends because management is not around. So what are your calls saying that? 02:11:42
There's employees working on their private vehicles in the shop, so it's a public perception thing, but I think it's also a. 02:11:47
A liability issue for the town. 02:11:54
And if we if we know that people are bringing their personal vehicles and working on their personal vehicles on the weekend and 02:11:58
working, donating. 02:12:02
And I don't know as to what degree our insurance. 02:12:07
Would be OK with that if we're aware of that if somebody comes in? 02:12:12
They're working on their personal vehicle. 02:12:16
And they get hurt over the weekend. Nobody's there. They're there by themselves. 02:12:19
And we know that and we allow that. 02:12:24
Would the town be liable to? 02:12:28
The county. 02:12:31
Cover that typically in in in government settings and I say typically is it? 02:12:32
It doesn't have to apply here, but typically in government settings. 02:12:38
Fleet personnel are not allowed to use the government property to work on their own personal view. 02:12:43
Or the equipment. 02:12:51
And I'm not talking about. 02:12:53
If you notice your your tires flat that you can't pull. 02:12:55
Carrying the tire, that's not we're talking about. We're actually talking about pulling it in. 02:12:59
And actually working on. 02:13:04
Your vehicle doing that tune up doing an oil change. 02:13:06
Or what have you. So this this is just to say that. 02:13:10
Umm, we're not going to allow that with the county property that you can't use the base or county equipment or town to our county 02:13:14
tools. 02:13:19
To work on personal vehicles, either yours or somebody else's. 02:13:26
And also we do ask that. 02:13:30
I had one question for one of the guys today. 02:13:34
That was reviewing this from from one of the shops. This is why does. 02:13:37
General Services have to sign this and not the whole county. 02:13:42
And the main reason behind that is the they're the gatekeepers. 02:13:45
Right. It's like if I were to come and pull my car into one of the fleet days, I'm pretty sure. 02:13:48
That they would question me on what the heck I'm doing. 02:13:55
Because they're the gatekeepers of General Services of that fleet of that Bay. 02:13:57
So with them being the gatekeepers, not a bad thing, it's just. 02:14:02
It's really for their protection as well, because if they have somebody, another employee says, hey, can you work on my car for me 02:14:06
inside one of these bays and say, hey, I can't, I'm not allowed to. 02:14:12
It's not allowed. I've signed saying that I'm aware that I'm not allowed someone. 02:14:18
So that's really kind of the gist of the of this policy. 02:14:23
It's really for. 02:14:29
General Services. 02:14:33
Fleet shopping with that. 02:14:34
Be happy to answer any questions that you might have on that. 02:14:36
Super fast recovery. 02:14:39
Yeah, you know, with the. 02:14:42
I guess, I guess with the incentive to help keep employees and offer education and stuff. 02:14:45
I have a question. 02:14:52
The tools that are. 02:14:54
Hex are using. 02:14:56
Is it their personal tools? 02:14:58
Most most of the hand tools are the tools of the text, so we're locking their tools up in evenings and weekends. 02:15:03
Where they can't use their own tool. 02:15:11
If they don't take them home, they're locked up in the in the Bay. Yes. OK, so. 02:15:15
If they want to tune up their own car, we just. 02:15:19
We we just don't. I got to take it somewhere else because they can't use their own tools evenings and weekends unless they want to 02:15:23
buy more tools. 02:15:26
So I get, I guess you know, the difficulty I'm having. This is OK. 02:15:29
Running a running a business out of the county shop and doing tune ups and clutches for other people. 02:15:34
I can't see that happening. I I can't see condoning that. 02:15:40
But if one of our. 02:15:46
I would like to see if there's not an insurance policy to help our. 02:15:49
Text with if they if they want to do their own breaks. 02:15:53
On a weekend. 02:16:02
Or after hours. 02:16:04
I would be interested in what an insurance policy would be. 02:16:06
To add an incentive. 02:16:11
To our text. 02:16:13
Not only to have a job. 02:16:15
And and and have a job where they can use their own tools if they want to after hours or or on a Saturday if they want to put a 02:16:18
set of brakes on theirs. 02:16:22
And prove that it's theirs, not. 02:16:27
You know their neighbors and they're not doing. 02:16:29
Great jobs every weekend. 02:16:31
To me, as an incentive to our text, I would just like to know what the. 02:16:34
Injured, if it can be injured, you know, I mean, it could get into a deal that no, it's not worth it. Maybe you've already checked 02:16:39
that out. 02:16:42
But I mean. 02:16:46
I'm just thinking of it as an incentive and we're locking their tools up on evenings and weekends and telling them they can't use 02:16:47
them unless they want to load the. 02:16:52
1000 LB toolbox in the back of the truck to take it home on Friday evening without using any county equipment to do that so. 02:16:58
Yeah, I that that's just my true sense on it. I I. 02:17:06
But anyway. 02:17:11
That's all, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Klein. 02:17:12
I like that idea, Tim. 02:17:16
I really do because I had the same thought because our mechanics are required to have a phone. 02:17:18
Tools, except specialty tools and I agree with the fact that. 02:17:23
Blown them up on a Friday evening and pack them All in all the drawer. 02:17:28
Toolbox home isn't rule. 02:17:33
Feasible. 02:17:35
But umm. 02:17:36
I think it'd be something to check into. I really do. And Tim's right, we may be able to do something and we may not be able to. 02:17:37
I don't know. 02:17:44
I don't think it's ever been looked into. 02:17:46
So I think that'd be a good deal, Troy. 02:17:48
So I appreciate the argument, I think it has a lot of validity, but. 02:17:52
How large an issue is this? 02:17:57
How often does this occur? 02:18:00
Has anyone ever been hurt doing this? 02:18:02
That you're aware of. 02:18:05
Not that I'm aware of. No one's, no one's been hurt. It's just we. 02:18:07
I think the way the policy stands now, you can't use county. 02:18:10
Can't use county. 02:18:14
So this is going to clear it up. Whatever way we go, either we're finding out that they can use it, your safety use it, they're 02:18:16
not at risk of losing the job to use it. 02:18:20
Or the insurance is too much and it's not something that we can cover. 02:18:25
I've never personally ever heard of anybody being hurt. I just know that's what the insurance is going to tell you. That's what 02:18:30
they're going to grade it on is if you've got somebody that's in the shop. 02:18:34
By themselves on a Saturday and something happens. There's nobody there though. 02:18:39
To help them out. But I think I agree with you I think it's worth looking into what would it cost to have the additional 02:18:43
insurance? It's definitely an incentive for for for the mechanics without a doubt I mean it's. 02:18:49
It's difficult for him. I mean they. 02:18:54
Bringing their tools home to do whatever they got to do on their vehicles, that's that's a pretty big event. 02:18:57
To make that happen. So I certainly understand that side of the yard. 02:19:03
And I think what? What? 02:19:06
What we're getting out here is just just to get clear. 02:19:07
Direction on. 02:19:11
Which way we go so that the employees know. 02:19:12
You know what the rules are. 02:19:16
Mr. Mann, love, you have some. 02:19:18
I'm Mr. members of Board. There is another question that will in addition to the insurance of gifting. 02:19:20
Of public resources. 02:19:27
And being able to use a. 02:19:29
A governmental resource for. 02:19:31
So that question will have to be addressed as well. 02:19:35
So if we just leave everything the way it is, are we committing ourselves to anything? 02:19:37
We don't have a policy on it now. 02:19:43
We do. It's vague. It just says you can't use any county property for your personal use. 02:19:45
And so far that has not. 02:19:53
Really been? 02:19:56
An issue. 02:19:58
If we just leave it alone. 02:20:00
Correct. We can do that if we start into approving or creating a policy that. 02:20:02
Now we put ourselves out there for more liability. 02:20:08
Right, right. I mean, you do have a policy that covers it. It's very vague. This was more specific, but. 02:20:12
You do have a policy. 02:20:19
OK, this is not an action item. 02:20:22
Correct. 02:20:26
We've had our discussion, we've had our discussion. 02:20:28
OK. Thank you. 02:20:32
All right, well. 02:20:35
Call to the public anyone here in Globe. 02:20:37
Anyone in Pace and Lisa? 02:20:40
And on the Internet. 02:20:45
How many did we have today? 02:20:46
87. 02:20:49
Wow, great deal. 02:20:51
Well, um. 02:20:53
Let's go to our reports. 02:20:56
Mr. Mann Love. 02:20:58
Mr. Chairman of the Board, I want to. 02:21:00
Welcome Charlotte and Maria is your first official meeting whereas? 02:21:02
Talk to the board and senior Deputy Clerk, the board so welcome and thank you for. 02:21:07
Being here in service to the Board of Supervisors. 02:21:11
Just also want to note that was in Washington DC this past week. 02:21:14
For the uh. 02:21:18
American Council of Engineering Companies. 02:21:20
Award for Gila County. 02:21:23
And the. 02:21:25
Design and construction of the Tunnel Creek Bridge. 02:21:26
It's great that he kind of can be recognized for. 02:21:30
That infrastructure. 02:21:33
So thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Supervisor Humphrey. 02:21:37
I met with Danielle Monette from the Governor's office on. 02:21:42
Blight and I would like to see. 02:21:47
Investors and people that have. 02:21:50
Passed on and somebody else is paying the taxes to. 02:21:52
Just passed a law that. 02:21:56
If you're paying taxes on a property in state Arizona, you're liable for it. 02:21:58
And so I brought that up and I bring that up all the time. 02:22:02
And I think. 02:22:06
Representative Marshall is going to try to get a bill this year. I just wanted to. 02:22:09
At the governor's office, know that something like that might be coming. 02:22:13
And attended the NRCD meeting on the 14th. 02:22:17
Met with. 02:22:23
Deputy County Manager O'Driscoll and team on. 02:22:26
May the 14th and Mr. Minimum was there as well. 02:22:30
And appreciate that because then I. 02:22:34
I kind of know more of what's going on in District 2. 02:22:38
And so we can kind of all get on the same page and. 02:22:42
What we want to work on and. 02:22:46
What we need to do to work on some of the things that we have going. 02:22:48
Attended Ahea County Public Safety. 02:22:52
Monument unveiling down at the. 02:22:55
Museum that was well attended. There was fly over and things that it was. 02:23:00
It was a it was a good event and then I attended SRP Salt River Pump. 02:23:06
Storage meeting on the 15th out of Roosevelt. 02:23:13
Where there? 02:23:16
Going to build. 02:23:18
Pump back late to generate more electricity and. 02:23:20
Run new lines. 02:23:23
Below Roosevelt so. 02:23:26
That's something I think they they may even start breaking ground here in 2027 on some of it. That's. 02:23:29
They're moving pretty hard and fast, as fast as Phoenix is growing. 02:23:36
They see the need for a lot more. 02:23:42
Power real fast so. 02:23:44
There's been a lot of meetings because Tri-City Sanitation is. 02:23:48
Has got to go ahead from ADEQ to start their. 02:23:52
To go out forbid for the first phase of the sewer. 02:23:56
Freeport is doing soil samples getting ready to do soil samples. 02:24:01
In Lower Miami, Claypool, Center Heights. 02:24:05
Nails area. 02:24:09
And then this pumpback thing, so it's created a lot of. 02:24:11
Meetings of things that are starting to roll in District 2. 02:24:15
So that's all I have. 02:24:20
Thank you, Supervisor Clown. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 02:24:21
Yeah, it's been a busy week. 02:24:25
But. 02:24:29
Anyway, attended the war conference in Rapid City up there. It was a good conference. 02:24:31
Well, turned out. 02:24:37
All the membership counties were there. 02:24:38
And represented and then we picked up a new. 02:24:42
New county or state? Minnesota Join. 02:24:45
They they were elected on to WR as well, so that was good. They've been working on it for a few years. So, so they're in there. 02:24:50
I've got some some stuff in my packet. When I get out I'll give it to you guys. You can review it or look at it for information. 02:24:57
One of the things that is talked about was the big beautiful bill that was in the House. 02:25:06
And the reason that was so important is because SRS is a part. 02:25:11
That bill and so be on the last day, the morning of the last day. 02:25:15
We found out it had passed the house. 02:25:21
So it's made it that far now if it'll just get through the Senate. 02:25:24
And get passed in our SRS funding. 02:25:28
Will be restored and will be good for the next three years. 02:25:32
So everybody's real hopeful of that. 02:25:35
Gentleman out of California, John Peters is our new president in WIR. 02:25:39
And Dwayne Mcfaul is vice president. 02:25:44
And there's, I cannot think of his last name. His first name's Margaret's out of Oregon. He's a. 02:25:47
He'll be the second vice president out of WR. 02:25:53
The National Center for Public Lands. 02:25:57
I don't know if you guys know him, but Gregory Nelson is the director. 02:26:00
And he's doing a really good job. 02:26:04
He has a lot going on. He had a presentation there. 02:26:06
I didn't attend. It is a NEPA 101. 02:26:10
Type presentation for all the new. 02:26:13
Supervisors and whatnot coming into WIR. 02:26:17
And so, so that was good. And then in July. 02:26:20
Of course, will be the next meeting and they'll be in Philadelphia. 02:26:24
That's a regular NACO summer meeting. 02:26:28
And other than that, that was it on that. 02:26:31
Umm, I had phone calls was. 02:26:35
On the road and stuff about our transportation board. 02:26:38
And I had a chance to talk to Troy and Alex. 02:26:43
Apparently, the Transportation Board is entertaining the fact of. 02:26:46
Delaying the Lion Springs project. 02:26:51
And putting that money to, I think, gods of. 02:26:54
Maricopa, yeah, 346 or 348 Road or whatever. 02:26:58
And but they are having a meeting coming up here in two meetings in June real quick. 02:27:03
To have those discussions. 02:27:09
And so we we really need to be in the middle of discussion. 02:27:12
You know, my thought is. 02:27:15
The Lion Springs project has been on the books for a long time. 02:27:17
We finally have reached a point here in the last. 02:27:21
Two years, let's say, of them actually getting serious and putting a lot of things down. 02:27:24
Laying it all out. 02:27:30
On and on they've had their pollute meetings in pace, in and everywhere. 02:27:32
We really need to push and say hey. 02:27:36
Only finish this one before you decide you want to tackle another one. 02:27:38
Otherwise, I can tell you we're going to keep getting pushed aside, and we may anyway. That may happen, but. 02:27:43
We need to have our say so and be in those meetings. 02:27:49
And voice our opinion on that. So that's coming up. 02:27:52
Here in June, Troy's got the dates on it. I was once a. 02:27:55
A kind of a work session. 02:27:59
And then the next one will be whether it's actually addressed and voted on. 02:28:02
Then I attended the Memorial Day celebration yesterday in Young, which is always nice. 02:28:08
I do a good job of that up there as well. 02:28:13
So that Mr. Chair. 02:28:15
Yeah, thank you. We have a small fire at the Buckhead Mesa. 02:28:19
Landfill a few days ago and. 02:28:24
Commend our crews. 02:28:27
We have. 02:28:31
All hands on deck out there along with Peace and Fire Department and Pine Strawberry. 02:28:33
And they got it out right away before it got too serious or moved on to other things. 02:28:38
Still don't know what started it, but it could have been any number of things. But they took care of it right away which was good. 02:28:44
A veterans coffee, usually trying to get to that every Tuesday that we're not having a meeting and that went well. 02:28:52
Always well attended, good group of people. 02:28:58
Attend the Memorial Day event also in. 02:29:01
Hasten yesterday, and that event is. 02:29:04
I've noticed our country is becoming more. 02:29:09
Patriotically minded where in the past, you know, it's like now we're going on a picnic. We don't, we're traveling. 02:29:12
Now there was well over. Let's take 101. Fifty people there. 02:29:18
It's growing every year and. 02:29:24
Really was nice to see that so. 02:29:27
That's all I have, so unless we have anything else. Thanks for all the input. 02:29:31
Thank you, ladies, and we, we will be adjourned. 02:29:36
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And put just one of those things in your ears, one of those super things, those ear things. 00:00:08
And a testing testing. 00:00:13
Here continue. Yes. 00:00:16
Testing, testing. 00:00:19
Testing. 00:00:21
You. 00:00:32
OK. 00:00:34
OK, Captain Charlotte, are we ready to fly this thing? OK, Thank you. 00:00:38
Very good. Good morning, everyone. 00:00:43
Let's call this a special meeting together. It's Tuesday, May 27th, 10 AM. 00:00:47
And oh, can I get you to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? 00:00:52
Thanks. 00:00:57
And to develop for which it stands. 00:01:05
One nation under God. 00:01:08
Very good. 00:01:15
I trust everyone's having a great day. Let's go ahead and get started. We have regular agenda item 2A. 00:01:19
And it is information discussion action to acknowledge the resignation of the encounter recorder Sadie Doe Bingham. 00:01:25
Effective May 31st, 2025 and consider appointing a person. 00:01:32
To fulfill the vacancy of the office of Hewitt County Recorder effective June 1st, 2025. 00:01:36
Pursuant the. 00:01:42
Arizona Revised Statute. 00:01:44
And James, you're gonna say a few words. 00:01:46
Mr. Chairman, thank you. 00:01:50
Yes, you are aware Miss Bingham has submitted her resignation as a Human County Assessor. 00:01:51
That is effective this Saturday on May 31st. 00:01:57
And would like you to consider. 00:02:01
Appointing a replacement for Mistaken as the Healy County Assessor. 00:02:04
Effective June 1st, 2025. 00:02:08
OK, and thank you for that. That is something that is part of our responsibility, Mr. Chairman. Certainly you have the option of 00:02:11
having a discussion here if you'd like to have a discussion in an executive session. 00:02:18
That option is available to us, to you as a board sue by the flow. 00:02:24
OK. Thank you for that option. 00:02:28
I'll ask the supervisors what they would like to do. 00:02:31
I would like to say right off the bat that I'm. 00:02:34
We're sad to see Sadie Joe going. 00:02:38
She has served Heal accountant for many years, over 16 years. 00:02:41
And that is something to be celebrated. I believe she's done a very exceptionally good job. 00:02:44
At what she does, and we wish her well. 00:02:51
In her. 00:02:54
Next phase or next chapter, if you will. 00:02:56
So, umm. 00:02:59
Supervisor Humphrey, do you have any comments? 00:03:01
Umm. 00:03:04
Or if you'd like to make a motion to go into executive session, we have all those options. 00:03:08
Mr. Chairman. 00:03:13
I'm sorry, yes, Sir, I believe that, I said the Hewlett County Assessor. 00:03:14
This kiss, you probably wanted to strangle me. 00:03:18
But it is the kind of recorder, the recorder, yes. 00:03:22
Yeah, we can get that. 00:03:27
I guess I do have a question. 00:03:29
Manager Minlov. 00:03:35
In her resigning. 00:03:36
Did she recommend anyone? 00:03:40
For her position. 00:03:43
Mr. Chairman survived something. Yes, she did recommend. Make a recommendation. 00:03:47
Most definitively. 00:03:52
Replacement and his current employment Employee of accountant. 00:03:54
That recommendation, The person who's recommended is here present. 00:03:59
Today and can address you either here or in executive session. 00:04:03
Whatever you would prefer. 00:04:07
Does that person have a name? 00:04:10
That's right. Yes, Wendy. 00:04:13
Wendy Manigault Smith. 00:04:16
Thinking recommended. 00:04:22
I have no further questions, OK. 00:04:25
Thank you, Supervisor Klein. 00:04:27
Yeah, I don't either. I uh. 00:04:30
You know. 00:04:32
I've had conversations with Sadie and everything and. 00:04:34
And whatnot, so I'm good. 00:04:37
Do it right here if you want either way. 00:04:39
OK, it sounds like we are not petitioning to go into executive session. 00:04:44
So on item 2A. 00:04:49
I will entertain a motion to select someone or whatever the motion carries. 00:04:52
Mr. Chair, before I make a motion, I would just. 00:05:01
Like to say. 00:05:05
You know, in my opinion. 00:05:06
Elected people are elected. 00:05:09
By the people to serve in a position. 00:05:12
And so the people choose them to make decisions. 00:05:16
On them. 00:05:20
And and so. 00:05:22
I feel that. 00:05:23
In Sadie's leaving. 00:05:25
If she recommends someone. 00:05:28
Then the public. 00:05:31
Elected her. 00:05:33
To make decisions. 00:05:35
So I feel as if. 00:05:37
If she has a decision. 00:05:40
On whom she feels. 00:05:42
Would be competent in replacing her. 00:05:44
Then my my feeling about it is that. 00:05:47
Then that's her decision and I would be happy to go with her. 00:05:52
Decision so. 00:05:56
I would like to make a motion to make Wendy Smith. 00:05:58
The new recorder. 00:06:01
I'll second it. 00:06:05
OK, so we have a motion in a second to. 00:06:06
Equate Wendy Manigault Smith to the Recorder's Office, effective June 1st, 2025. All those in favor say aye. 00:06:10
Aye. 00:06:21
I thought I'd have a minute before, but just to clarify for the public as well As for the record of this meeting. 00:06:23
That because of the timing of Mrs. Bingham's. 00:06:30
Resignation The person appointed. 00:06:33
Must run in the next general election and can only serve. 00:06:36
As the appointed recorder. 00:06:40
Through the end of. 00:06:44
December 2026. 00:06:46
And so that if that person. 00:06:49
Wants to run for election at that time. 00:06:51
And she wanted to run in the primary and then the general. 00:06:55
The remainder of Mrs. Bingham's term, so it's a two year appointment. 00:06:58
Thank you for that clarification. I don't think we need to take another vote. 00:07:03
Motion has passed and. 00:07:07
We have approved the selection. I would think that. 00:07:09
Before we pass, we need to. 00:07:13
Would be if she's willing to run in the new elections. 00:07:17
Because that is part of it. Is that not correct? 00:07:21
No. Oh, OK. I thought maybe that if she. 00:07:25
Would have to run. 00:07:30
So congratulations, Wendy, we just appointed you. Would you like to come forward and just say support? 00:07:37
But she has the option of running or not. 00:07:43
It's my understanding that option would be in 26 and then as well as in 28 as that would be the yes. 00:07:47
Thank you. Thank you very much for your consideration. 00:07:53
And I don't know if you all are familiar with my background, but I was. 00:07:56
Afforded the opportunity to work with Eddie in our last election. 00:08:00
It was an enlightening experience and it's really ignited. 00:08:04
Some thirst for knowledge in me, so I plan to. 00:08:08
Move forward, continuing with Sadie's level of integrity. 00:08:11
And ethics and moral compass. 00:08:15
I look forward to working with my coffee. 00:08:18
Thank you very much, Wendy. We look forward to working with you and. 00:08:21
Haven't you served for Gila County? 00:08:25
OK, if there's nothing else then. 00:08:28
That one will move on to. 00:08:31
Item 2B. 00:08:33
Information and discussion regarding new construction or remodel projects at the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat property and the 00:08:35
funding needed to complete the assignments. 00:08:40
Good morning, Michael. 00:08:44
Good morning, Chairman, Members of the board so. 00:08:46
If it's possible, I'd like to break this presentation up into two distinct parts. 00:08:48
For the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat, what I'd like to do is just go over what we have done and with Supervisor Klein. 00:08:53
And County Manager James Nunlov has directed staff to do and what we've completed up until this point. 00:09:00
And then move into. 00:09:06
Possible new projects and what funding is out there for these projects, What fundings we we have received as a county. 00:09:09
And discuss some of those projects. 00:09:17
Umm, so if. 00:09:20
If you're OK with that Chairman, I'd like to move into exactly what we've done so far. Pleasant Valley, how that the veterans 00:09:22
retreat. There's a little bit of history on the on the board item, but I think everybody here understands that history. 00:09:28
Since 2017, Supervisor client has been an advocate of turning that property. 00:09:34
Into a veterans retreat. 00:09:40
Services for veterans and the family. 00:09:42
Which led us to. 00:09:45
Special use permit. 00:09:47
Between Gila County and in the US Forest Service. 00:09:48
Which allows Gila County to. 00:09:52
Operate this kind of services on the property. 00:09:55
To this date. 00:09:59
We've had. 00:10:01
Quite a bit of change out there. It's a beautiful piece of property. 00:10:02
With the structures out there. 00:10:06
We have used and the board has voted on some ARPA funding. 00:10:09
For the Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat. 00:10:14
There has been a $1.6 million remodel project. We renovated the admin buildings. 00:10:16
And the barracks. 00:10:22
Put some ramps on them and refurbished all those buildings and they turned out beautiful. 00:10:23
Part of that. 00:10:31
Part of that also, we purchased furniture for the barracks so the veterans and their families have a place to stay. 00:10:32
To sleep. 00:10:39
And refurbished the kitchen and made it very usable. 00:10:40
And also we we also had to purchase. 00:10:44
Contracts for repairing and renovating the on site wastewater system out there. 00:10:48
There was an old system that was breaking down and had many leaks. 00:10:53
So we had to get a specialist out there and repair the entire system, which they did. 00:10:58
All those were paid for by ARPA money. 00:11:03
Some of the non ARCO funds. 00:11:06
Used for for the veterans retreat were. 00:11:08
About 56,000. 00:11:12
So let me go back a little bit. 00:11:14
The ARPA funding is little over $2,000,000. 00:11:16
With the $1.6 million contract in the onsite wastewater system, so that came out to be a little over $2,000,000. 00:11:19
And then not our funding was about 56,000. 00:11:27
And these were contracts under 50,000, so County Manager Mr. Men Love approved these. 00:11:31
Which included simple things like water testing, janitorial services. 00:11:37
Those kinds of things that are needed out there on a regular basis, so. 00:11:42
Umm, that's what has been accomplished up until this point. 00:11:46
I'd like to see if there's any questions about those projects that we've completed. Thank you, Michaels, with pleasure hunting. 00:11:50
Umm, monthly cost? 00:12:00
To operate. 00:12:03
About center, currently it's. 00:12:05
I would say I'm not that great at math, but it's about 260,000 / 12. 00:12:10
That's about the monthly cost we have right about now. 00:12:16
So and that includes we have two full time people out there. 00:12:19
That includes their salaries plus Ers and includes the utilities and some of the maintenance. 00:12:23
Out there. 00:12:29
No further questions on that. 00:12:31
OK, Thank you, Supervisor Klein. Oh, I'm good. 00:12:33
So a little over 20,000 a month. 00:12:37
Is our correction and then where does that money come from? 00:12:39
That comes from the general fund. 00:12:42
OK. All right. Thank you. Keep going. 00:12:44
So if we can move into the projects that. 00:12:47
Our plan for the future. 00:12:52
I'll move into a couple years ago. 00:12:55
Gila County received the line item. 00:12:58
$3,000,000 from the state of Arizona a one time. 00:13:01
Allocation. 00:13:06
And that $3,000,000, the agreement that was created the IGA that this board signed between the State of Arizona and Gila County. 00:13:07
Was to use that $3,000,000 for construction. 00:13:16
That's basically what the IGA said. It was very simple. 00:13:19
And, and the plans for that $3,000,000, let me let me back up. We also received a couple years ago earmarked money from the 00:13:23
federal government for $333,000. 00:13:28
And that was to be used for an ADA, fully ADA compliant. 00:13:34
Cabin out there at Pleasant Valley Veterinary Tree. 00:13:39
AT 333,000 came with a 25% match. 00:13:42
From Gila County General Fund. 00:13:46
So that total comes up to be a little over 400. 00:13:48
$1000. 00:13:52
If you add that 333 + 25%. 00:13:53
Matching fund. 00:13:57
That money is to be used. 00:13:58
For the ADA compliant cabin. 00:14:01
And then the $3,000,000 to plan with that. 00:14:04
Working with supervisor, client and county management. Love is to look into. 00:14:07
Constructing a community building out there. 00:14:12
Community Center so people can gather in there. 00:14:15
And have a place to cook and have a place to meet and hold meetings and. 00:14:18
Some of the. 00:14:22
Corporate veteran. 00:14:24
Organizations out there to bring people so they can gather and use that building. 00:14:26
So the $3,000,000 is earmarked towards that. 00:14:31
In the 400,000. 00:14:35
Is earmarked towards the ADA compliant cabin. 00:14:37
So that that's where that money is that we're looking to put that money. Are there questions about those two projects? 00:14:42
Supervisor Humphrey. 00:14:48
Oh yeah, that. 00:14:51
The building. The community meeting building. 00:14:53
Will that be for? 00:14:56
General public to use as well or just for veterans? 00:14:59
Chairman, members of the board, The special use permit clearly states that. 00:15:05
It cannot be used for the general public. It has to be used for veterans and veteran family. 00:15:09
Thank you. 00:15:15
Supervisor Klein. 00:15:18
So let me let me clarify something on this little bill. Is is 1 is it can be used for a building? 00:15:19
The big the big thing with the $3,000,000 is it has to be used on that site for veterans and supportive veterans. 00:15:27
Snow is Sandra Butts. We can't. We don't have that latitude. 00:15:35
But whether it's to build the building? 00:15:39
Do some road work. 00:15:43
Put more ramadas in whatever, whatever it may be. 00:15:45
That money can be used. 00:15:48
For that site. 00:15:50
And we? 00:15:52
We've been going back and forth a lot, but I'll get into that a little bit. 00:15:54
So anyway, and then the 330,000. 00:15:58
Absolutely right. That came from Senator Kelly. 00:16:02
And that was in support of 88, totally ADA compliant. 00:16:06
Umm, structure like 1000 square feet or so. It's kind of what? 00:16:11
Everybody's thinking something that. 00:16:15
A handicapped person that's totally handicapped would have to be comfortable. 00:16:17
Able to have accessibility for everything. 00:16:22
Be able to stay there. 00:16:26
OK. So Michael, do we have to match anything on the 3 million? 00:16:28
No, Sir, that $3,000,000 is is in our bank as we speak. 00:16:33
The state of Arizona has transferred that funding and it's it's free and clear. There's absolutely no match with that. 00:16:38
OK. And I'm hearing it has to be, it's limited to? 00:16:44
A site for the purposes of. 00:16:47
Building. 00:16:51
Or infrastructure. 00:16:53
Correct. 00:16:56
Road improvement. 00:16:57
Pretty. I mean, that's pretty. 00:17:02
Gamut, right? I mean we could use it in conjunction with the 300 three 3000. 00:17:04
To build. 00:17:12
A house if it's going to cost more than that. 00:17:14
Who could use it for part of that? Right Chairman, members of the board? Absolutely. The the IGA terminologies specifies they have 00:17:16
to be used for the site. 00:17:21
For any type of construction. 00:17:26
OK. Are we going to get to a point where you say these are our estimates? 00:17:29
I hope to OK. 00:17:35
OK, good. Keep going. 00:17:37
So, umm. 00:17:39
For for the. 00:17:41
ADA compliant cabin and the Community Center. This afternoon we're going to hold a second meeting with an architect. 00:17:43
BWS Architect. 00:17:53
Out of Tucson to discuss just that. 00:17:55
Put together a possible proposal to bring in front of the board. 00:17:59
For the Community Center and the ADA compliant home. 00:18:02
And and bring in front of the board for their consideration. 00:18:07
For a contract possibly in the next couple months. 00:18:11
So we are meeting Supervisor Klein, County Manager. Men Love and myself are meeting with the architect this afternoon. 00:18:14
Just to sort of go over those kind of plans. 00:18:21
So. 00:18:25
Questions about that, Sir? 00:18:27
Hopefully. 00:18:30
Budget claim will. 00:18:32
Michael's gonna get into more of it. 00:18:35
Dollars and figures and stuff like that, but we do have options besides just building. 00:18:37
Standalone building. 00:18:43
We have an option there on the main office building, the 6000 foot square building of an add-on. 00:18:45
On the east side that would. 00:18:51
Definitely meet our needs. 00:18:54
That's that's there as well. 00:18:56
Costs are a big thing. 00:18:59
And and we'll, we'll get into that more. 00:19:02
We go. 00:19:04
Perfect, So the next. 00:19:08
The next part of this. 00:19:09
Presentation is basically just to talk about some of the. 00:19:12
Projects and supervisor client is brought to staff's attention. 00:19:15
About what kind of things? 00:19:19
Are needed out there? What kinds of things? 00:19:22
Supervisor client is looking for out there to make the. 00:19:24
Property more usable. 00:19:28
More friendly and safer. 00:19:30
And so I'd like to go over the list of these, some of these. I'll have some estimates for some of these I. 00:19:32
Will not. 00:19:38
Because we're still in the process of putting together a scope and meeting with Supervisor Klein and facilities and contractors 00:19:39
out there. 00:19:43
And the first project involves chip sealing the roads. 00:19:47
Out there. 00:19:51
Umm and I received from the Public Works Department an estimate. 00:19:52
Umm for double chip sealing? 00:19:56
It's for single chip ceiling. It's going to be about $70,000. So double chip ceilings can be about $140,000. 00:19:59
That's the estimate I received from Public Works. 00:20:07
And, umm. 00:20:09
And I've been assured that they could do that in a day or two. 00:20:11
It's not a huge project. 00:20:14
The 140,000 is for the materials. 00:20:15
And then? 00:20:19
Its staff. There will be staff time used for this. 00:20:20
That staff time would have to be reimbursed to her. 00:20:23
Which is something that we do on a regular basis. 00:20:27
Here, so that's not. 00:20:29
That's not a difficult thing to do. 00:20:30
So that's. 00:20:33
That's where we're at with just that project. There's no questions about the chip ceiling. 00:20:34
So it will cost us something. We have to reimburse her. 00:20:40
Yes, OK. 00:20:44
So one of the things on this particular. 00:20:47
Project. 00:20:51
It badly needs done. 00:20:52
Is the fact that. 00:20:56
Public Works is getting ready to chip seal some other roads. 00:20:58
In District 3 and young up there, so all the equipment's there. 00:21:01
Staff or. 00:21:05
The folks will be there, crews will be there. 00:21:06
And. 00:21:10
Mobilizing that equipment is a big cost, but with it already being there, that's a benefit that we have. 00:21:12
And that's going to include the parking lot at the. 00:21:18
The main building as well. 00:21:21
Which? 00:21:24
We may need to bring public Works in here to do another parking lot on James. 00:21:26
So anyway, but. 00:21:30
Thank you, Michael. 00:21:33
You bet you, Sir. 00:21:34
Are they looking at this year to do that ship seal? 00:21:39
Yes. 00:21:43
In about two or three weeks. OK, well, because I got a call from the road crew. 00:21:45
Last week. 00:21:51
Stating that they're pulling off the GEICO Rd. 00:21:53
They were double ships sealed with Garcia Rd. 00:21:57
And the. 00:22:00
Company that they're getting the oil from is not. 00:22:02
Furnishing adequate. 00:22:05
Material. 00:22:07
And so rather than have an episode. 00:22:08
They have at this point. 00:22:11
Cancel all their chip ceiling. 00:22:14
Until they can get a contractor. 00:22:18
That can furnish the material on time and quality. 00:22:22
That's required so. 00:22:26
That that may be a. 00:22:28
Conversation to have with. 00:22:31
Public works I think did right because. 00:22:33
Last I heard they. 00:22:36
They had suspended. 00:22:38
Chip seal projects. 00:22:40
This company that we've been using since we've been in this office has caused us grief. 00:22:41
This isn't nothing new and so. 00:22:47
Like you said in Guy Selah, they did run into problems and I'm sure Troy's gonna visit better. 00:22:50
Yeah. Thank you. 00:22:55
I know we're supposed to be doing that. It's all these. 00:23:00
So update it from where we're at. 00:23:03
Correct, yes. So we, we were in the middle of the guy ceiling project and. 00:23:05
Supervisors Humphreys correct. The oil we were getting was substandard. 00:23:09
It was coming in real thick. 00:23:14
And if it's too thick, it won't dry. 00:23:17
As it dries on the outside 1st and that's where you get the problems that you had in the previous year. So we rejected it. 00:23:19
And there was a couple of days where they couldn't even deliver the oil when they said they were going to deliver the oil. So. 00:23:25
Right now we're looking to see if there's anything on state contract that we can use because we still want to move these projects 00:23:31
forward as quickly as. 00:23:34
Possible. So I'd say they're on hold, not officially canceled. 00:23:37
Thankfully, our asphalt material millions come from a different company. The only thing they're providing is the oil. 00:23:41
So the only thing we're lacking is the oil and hopefully. 00:23:47
Within two to three weeks, we'll have that resolved. 00:23:51
Be moving forward again with the Chipsetter project because we want to get those finished up this year. 00:23:54
Yeah, we got Cemetery Rd. There's just, I mean, there's all kinds of projects that are hinging right now. 00:24:00
Yeah, that's just why I wanted to bring that up, because of things. 00:24:05
You know, in this time of year, trying to get an oil company that book stuff a year ahead of time. 00:24:09
Because of the weather and the temperature. Yep, it just. 00:24:14
It just. 00:24:17
Yeah, I can understand why and and I appreciate it being on hold because we don't want any more messages exactly, you know not 00:24:19
going anyway, Yeah, I didn't mean to get off topic, but I just if you're looking at this year. 00:24:25
May not be. 00:24:31
Thank you. 00:24:33
Yeah. 00:24:37
OK, Michael. 00:24:40
Further questions about chip ceiling, so we're at 140,000. 00:24:44
A little for her free investment, a little bit. 00:24:48
Schedule wise, we're not sure. 00:24:50
All right. OK. Just discovered that, Sir. 00:24:52
The second project that we've been working with supervisor client on is. 00:24:56
An access gate near the back of the property. 00:25:01
They call it the Boneyard area. 00:25:05
There is. We're looking to put a fence back there. 00:25:07
Or an iron fence. 00:25:11
With solar power that can open and close along with the keypad. 00:25:13
Or some sign of some sort of mechanism that somebody who has the key can open that gate. 00:25:17
We're having a challenge with some people just zipping right through the property on the weekends and. 00:25:24
It's full access to the property and if you close off that area in the back it would. 00:25:30
Hopefully prevent. 00:25:35
As many people from from gaining access that. 00:25:36
So and as far as the design and everything we're going to be meeting out with. 00:25:39
Supervisor flying tomorrow and we're going to be starting to talk specifics. 00:25:45
About what kind of design, what kind of gate? And then we'll be putting together the estimates based on our conversation tomorrow. 00:25:49
So I don't really have an estimate as far as that goes, right? 00:25:54
So 1st May I'd like to say something about this particular project. 00:26:00
That's not on the agenda. 00:26:04
This isn't supervisors, clients first. 00:26:07
Idea. 00:26:11
This is actually. 00:26:12
Coming from ASIP. 00:26:14
Or insurance pool. 00:26:15
This is where ASIP wants to have more control over. 00:26:18
Folks that are in there and it's not that I disagree with it. 00:26:22
You know, uh. 00:26:25
But this was actually started. 00:26:26
With ASIP. 00:26:28
And it's a liability part for that. 00:26:30
Area and one of the reasons when Michael talks about the boneyard, that's a place where tools are stored and. 00:26:33
And other more expensive items, tractors, stuff like that. So it's a good idea, but. 00:26:39
Acer is the driving factor on this one. 00:26:46
Thank you Sir and and a follow up with supervisor client ASAP did give us some wisdom. 00:26:51
Other things that we have to do on the property. 00:26:56
To meet their their guidelines for insurance. 00:26:59
And we're working with facilities defense off certain areas to prevent access to other structures. 00:27:03
Until we get those up. 00:27:10
Code and remodeled and rebuilt that way so. 00:27:12
We did quite a few months ago. Everybody met up with ASAP and our County Attorney out on site. So we got, we got quite the list, 00:27:15
quite the education and liability and everything else like that. 00:27:20
So we are, we are committed to make this property a suit. 00:27:26
As possible. 00:27:30
So if we. 00:27:32
And if we were talking about the Boneyard area, it's also. 00:27:33
Another project that we're working on with supervisor client is. 00:27:37
And this has to do with our facilities too. We have a full time facilities guy out there. 00:27:41
And there's a maintenance shed. 00:27:46
That's by this boneyard area. 00:27:49
And that has no power to it the maintenance yet. So the facility, the facility guy actually our employee has to take his power 00:27:51
tools and recharge them in the admin building. 00:27:56
And do all this shuffling around. It's quite inefficient. 00:28:01
Umm, so we're looking at putting on a solar power system to the maintenance shed. 00:28:05
So our maintenance employee will be able to power up the shed and. 00:28:10
You know, plug his tools in out there so we won't have to be transferring tools all over the place. 00:28:15
It'll be a heck of a lot more efficient. 00:28:21
So we are trying to find contractors. 00:28:23
We had a couple of them walk the property last week. 00:28:26
We're waiting on one bid for that, so I cannot get an estimate as far as that goes. 00:28:29
But that's what we're also looking for in that area. 00:28:34
Questions about that? 00:28:38
I'll throw in one more on that as we spent. 00:28:40
Probably 2 days. I spent a long day. 00:28:43
With APS. 00:28:46
Umm going from the existing lines that are on site, seeing what the cost would be to. 00:28:49
Put power to that area. 00:28:54
And it is too far. It just nothing was worth gonna work. 00:28:57
And uh. 00:29:02
And then when we went back, I believe Rick McKinney went back and and spent some more time with them and looked at it again and 00:29:03
it's just a. 00:29:07
It's a distance factor off the existing lines. 00:29:11
You would hope that there's a line and transformer somewhere you could run power, and there is, but you're talking 1000 feet or 00:29:15
further. 00:29:20
And then right there in the site you have MO Creek that goes through the site. 00:29:24
So on one one side of it, you'd have to cross MO Creek to get to it. 00:29:28
Which is makes it tougher and so. 00:29:33
So the only way to have anything power. 00:29:38
Right, that down there that makes sense would be some kind of little solar system. 00:29:41
We can hook into it. 00:29:45
Or relocate. 00:29:48
Uh, no. 00:29:50
No, no, we there's actually there's a. 00:29:53
There's two big main structures right there. One's a long block building. 00:29:57
And the other one is kind of a shed row with individual. 00:30:03
Stalls in it, let's say with gates and whatnot. 00:30:07
It's it's a perfect setup for work center basically. 00:30:10
But it never, it never had power. 00:30:15
All the time I was with the government, we never had are there. 00:30:17
But. 00:30:20
With power tools today charging tools. 00:30:21
You know, storing chainsaws. 00:30:24
Things like that. We need to get that out of the main office and relocate and work can be used. 00:30:27
Mr. Chair, I have a question. 00:30:34
Michael, you, you said. 00:30:38
That you had quite a list from our insurance company. 00:30:41
Is this power? 00:30:45
One of the needs. 00:30:48
That the insurance company is asking for. 00:30:50
They interesting questions Supervisor. 00:30:55
So we had a discussion about that. 00:31:00
We were to use that as a maintenance shed and have somebody go in there and yes, they would like power to that structure. 00:31:02
OK, then I have another question. 00:31:10
Yes, Sir. What about like a diesel generator, if we. 00:31:12
Going to be such a problem is that something that the insurance company? 00:31:16
Might allow. 00:31:21
Supervisor, they potentially could allow that. 00:31:24
The next project I'll talk about is generators, and that building was not included in the. 00:31:28
In in the scope of this project, the generators moving forward, but that certainly is something we can look into. 00:31:35
One of the reasons that that that Tim, that I, I didn't really set my sights on the generators. 00:31:43
Everything anymore is going cordless. 00:31:49
So you have all the batteries to charge and everything that you can just plug it in, go home for the weekend, you come back, it's 00:31:53
up, it's going and. 00:31:57
And you don't have the issue of having to go get the fuel, store fuel on site or whatever. 00:32:01
And so for that particular site. 00:32:07
Umm, in the short term. 00:32:10
It would probably be a little bit cheaper in the long term. 00:32:13
The solar would be cheaper. 00:32:17
OK. 00:32:22
No questions on the cake. 00:32:25
Thank you super much. 00:32:27
And so I just mentioned. 00:32:29
Generators. 00:32:31
Yes. So we're working on a project with supervisor client because of the four structures out there, we have two barracks. 00:32:33
And we have two ranges, so there's. 00:32:40
We have, we're looking at. 00:32:42
Putting in generators, propane generators and the two barracks out there. 00:32:44
And the two Ranger houses which is in the back part of the property that are not being used right now. I'm going to go into the 00:32:48
Ranger houses after this. 00:32:52
But those those particular structures have no backing. 00:32:57
If the power goes out out there, it's dark and it gets dark out there. 00:33:00
So we're looking to possibly install propane generators in those four structures, the two barracks and the 2 Ranger houses. 00:33:06
We did. 00:33:13
We did have a walkthrough last week with contractors. 00:33:15
We have three of them out there, 3 state contractors. 00:33:19
One at a state contractor said the project was too small. 00:33:23
It wasn't. It wasn't enough for them. 00:33:26
And the second contractor said that they just didn't have the. 00:33:28
The capabilities of doing this and then we're waiting on the third contractor. 00:33:33
To get back with us with a. 00:33:37
We're we're estimating this project to be close to 100,000. 00:33:39
The four generators. 00:33:43
The propane generators, purchasing the new generators and installing those. 00:33:45
With the proper. 00:33:50
Electrical system in place. 00:33:52
So one one thing as we as Michael throws out figures and like especially with the state procurement people. 00:33:55
I would like for you guys to have question marks beside those dollar figures because when you go in there and you price. 00:34:01
A standby generator from. 00:34:09
Home Depot. 00:34:12
I've got one, bought it several years ago, quite close to 10 years ago. 00:34:13
You know the generator is only like 6 grand. 00:34:19
7 grand. 00:34:21
And so. 00:34:22
I'm leading you guys up to a discussion I'm going to have in a minute. Michael knows it's coming. 00:34:26
I'm not a fan of state procurement. 00:34:30
I haven't been since the first round up there and I'm still not today. 00:34:34
And so. 00:34:38
That's all I ask. Just keep an open mind on these figures for a little bit. 00:34:41
Because I think I think we're going to get in some real good discussion here short. 00:34:45
OK, perfect. Then the next, the next. 00:34:53
We're going to call it the historic area. 00:34:57
Which involves 3. 00:34:59
It's called There's the Barn. 00:35:02
There's a historic Ranger house and historic district Ranger office. 00:35:04
Those are three structures towards the back of the property. 00:35:09
And one of the. 00:35:12
Items mentioned by Asaf was as if we were. 00:35:15
Use the barn in any capacity that must be brought up to code. It must be refurbished. 00:35:18
Umm, or if we don't use it then we have to fence it off. So that was specifically mentioned by ASIP when we're on our walkthrough. 00:35:24
The barn refurbishment there's been work done by supervisor, client and Kathy Melvin along with facilities. 00:35:33
Working with the. 00:35:40
Company called Historic Corpse. 00:35:41
They they use volunteers to go in and refurbish these historic buildings. 00:35:43
And they did give us a price to refurbish the barn is approximately 90,000 to $100,000. 00:35:49
To refurbish the barn, that's utilizing volunteers as well, so. 00:35:56
If we it's kind of a nice little relationship, we could. 00:36:01
Get a project like this done for half the cost because they use volunteers. 00:36:06
And these volunteers will come out and do the work. 00:36:11
And so that's the barn refurbishing and are there questions about that? 00:36:16
To play with, no questions about. 00:36:21
So let me give you a little bit more background. 00:36:24
Take a breath, Michael. Thank you, Sir. 00:36:28
The. 00:36:31
The historic part of that site was something that me and Kathy really dreaded to tackle when we first go into it. 00:36:33
Dealing with Schippel. 00:36:40
Is sometimes very difficult. 00:36:42
And it was something that we could just see. 00:36:44
Some big hurdles coming up with. 00:36:47
But there was a couple of things. First of all, the fact was the government had went into those structured. 00:36:50
Structures and remodeled things inside. 00:36:56
You know they. 00:37:01
They changed the paint scheme or they did something different with cabinets and. 00:37:02
Isn't that both? 00:37:07
The Big House and what Michael referred to as the Office. 00:37:08
The government had for residences, both of them, so they changed a lot of the inside. 00:37:12
The outside never was changed. 00:37:18
And so it was real simple with Shippo. Their concern was was that. 00:37:22
We kept the upkeep of the. 00:37:28
The structures. 00:37:30
And we keep the outsides looking like they are. 00:37:32
They told us we don't care about the insides, just. 00:37:36
Don't modify or change anything from that. 00:37:40
From the outside standpoint. 00:37:43
So that's where historic work come into play, and historic court actually was working with the Forest Service. 00:37:46
Prior to us taking over that site, they had already been in there. 00:37:54
For the government looking at these different. 00:38:00
Little things on these structures that needed done. 00:38:02
And so that's where they're at. And Historic Core is a group of folks that that's what they do. They go around. 00:38:05
And they work on these old sites mostly for the government. 00:38:12
A lot of lookouts, a lot of outside work centers, stuff like that. 00:38:16
And they do this, that's what they're used to do. So they're, they're volunteers are made-up of different people. 00:38:22
That have different skills. 00:38:27
The Barn. 00:38:30
Itself is relatively easy. 00:38:32
But in addition to the barn and this price that Michael's told me about. 00:38:35
One of the things they will have in there is to go into the big. 00:38:40
The main structure. 00:38:44
And rebuild the windows that's in that back to the way they. 00:38:46
They were because there's some breaks, there's some cracks, there's stuff bowed out. 00:38:51
Well, they've got the skill and the mindset to go back in and rebuild all of. 00:38:56
And put it back. 00:39:01
To its original. 00:39:03
Ill and so so that's a part of this as well. 00:39:08
The umm. 00:39:12
The Barn. 00:39:14
Is. 00:39:17
I've looked at that list and I kind of. 00:39:18
Scratch my head over that one too, but. 00:39:22
But it's it's not that big of a deal. 00:39:24
On that to keep it up, but the fact of it is, is with that historic piece of the vet site right there. 00:39:27
We have to keep it up. 00:39:34
That's part of the. 00:39:36
Part of us having this site. 00:39:37
And historical right now. 00:39:40
Is the best bet. There's contractors out there that you could probably find to come in and do this. 00:39:42
But it's going to cost a lot more. 00:39:48
So I'm a historic preservation that you know, I mean, I think we should. 00:39:54
That section over there is one of the most beautiful spots. It's historic. 00:39:59
Of the houses, the style, all of it's just. 00:40:04
Marvelous. And we do need to protect that. Now. The barn. 00:40:07
So to put $100,000 into the barn. 00:40:14
Are we just saving it or are we using it? Would it have a use? 00:40:17
Because it was there for horses. 00:40:22
And all of that. And so if we just isolate that from. 00:40:25
Public access, we could save that money and. 00:40:29
And use it for something else. 00:40:32
Is there a specific purpose of why we want to? 00:40:35
Restore the barn to a up to code status. 00:40:39
Chairman and members of the board, that's my understanding and talking with Supervisor Klein and Kathy. 00:40:43
At the planning and features at some point in time. 00:40:48
Bringing equine therapy for veterans out to the site. 00:40:52
And if that was to occur, then we would absolutely need a place to store the animals. 00:40:56
To meet that need. 00:41:02
OK. And Steve, one of the things with the barn is and I think that that that's going to need a little bit more of a walk through 00:41:04
and look at especially with historical course list. 00:41:09
The things where we can just physically talk about each thing that they're pointing out that they want to do. 00:41:15
Umm, there's simple things like just the paint in the outside of the buildings. 00:41:20
We can do that. 00:41:26
You know. 00:41:27
There's other things, might be a little bit more involved. 00:41:29
One thing like on the windows part of it is for sure the barn has some. 00:41:34
Other issues above the stalls where there's a broken being that needs to be addressed and. 00:41:38
So there's some odds in the ends of things like that. 00:41:43
Definitely need to be addressed. 00:41:46
OK. 00:41:50
Further questions about that? 00:41:53
No, I'm good. 00:41:55
Thank you. The next two projects I'm not going to be able to get you a. 00:41:58
Cost estimate on that we're going to, we're talking about the. 00:42:04
Ranger Houses, Ranger House and the Office. 00:42:07
One of the purposes of the meeting with Supervisor Klein. 00:42:10
Tomorrow out at Pleasant Valley is to go through these buildings. 00:42:14
And get a complete itemized list of what? 00:42:18
Vision supervisor client he has. 00:42:21
So the next two projects what I'd like to do is just talk about them conceptually. 00:42:24
For the purposes what they'll be used for. 00:42:29
If that's OK, is easier. 00:42:33
OK, so we can start with the historic? 00:42:35
Grant, the Ranger House and Supervisor Klein, I'm sure you get and fill in. 00:42:39
The other two supervisors better than I can for the use of that, but it's my understanding that we want to convert this into. 00:42:44
Another place where veterans can sleep and stay the night. 00:42:51
Veterans and their families. 00:42:56
And what that really entails. 00:42:58
I don't. 00:43:00
I won't have a really good picture until I go do a complete walkthrough supervisor client tomorrow. 00:43:02
I believe that's the intended purpose it is, Michael. It's like Steve said, although it's really a pretty place. Everybody really 00:43:07
likes it. 00:43:11
The one issue with that particular house? 00:43:16
Is it has an upstairs? 00:43:19
A partial upstairs in it. 00:43:21
But we're going to. 00:43:23
Our intent is to block that off. 00:43:25
And we talked about that with async too as well. 00:43:28
They seem to like that a lot better. 00:43:31
So but. 00:43:33
The old house has got the old style wiring, which Tim, I know you're familiar with the old. 00:43:35
Aluminum wiring and stuff like that. So it needs to be rewired. 00:43:41
Which can easily be done by coming underneath the house and up through the floorway. So there's. 00:43:45
There's things like that. Some work maybe. 00:43:50
Inside on some counters cupboards, put a hot water heater back in it. 00:43:53
Pretty simple type of stuff. 00:43:58
The other part on that house is. 00:44:00
We have pitches. Kathy drove up some pitches from back in the 30s and 40s. 00:44:03
And so when you stand outside. 00:44:08
From that house, it had a fence that came around the front of it. 00:44:11
The government in all its wisdom, and I don't know why they did it, but they tore into that fence. I don't know if they were going 00:44:15
to rebuild it or whatever. So there's. 00:44:19
There's pieces of it that physically aren't there that we're going to have to rebuild, which is easy at first. I got to worrying 00:44:23
about it. 00:44:26
Until I seen those pictures that Kathy had brought up. Because it's the same. 00:44:30
Wire that we can actually buy today out of the Tractor Supply. 00:44:34
Just the page wire. 00:44:37
And so Gina proposed. It's all pretty simple just to put that back in place, so. 00:44:39
It's just a matter of some pretty simple type projects to do. 00:44:45
The other little house, and this is 1 I hope you guys will find interesting, is that instead of using that for. 00:44:50
People to stay in. 00:44:56
Our thought is to take that and and turn it into a little. 00:44:58
Museum, little office like it was one time. 00:45:03
With the old furniture, the old file cabinets, things like you would have seen if you stepped in there in 1940 and looked at it. 00:45:06
And not use it for people to actually stay in for a weekend or whatever. And it's it's pretty small. I think it's only. 00:45:14
But Kathy, 6700 square feet, it's not very big. 00:45:21
And so, and that's going to be a minimal task. 00:45:25
There's not gonna be much there, so. 00:45:30
The chairman. Members of the board. 00:45:34
Supervisor Klein was mentioning with the second structure I was going to talk about. 00:45:38
Converting the Reindeer office. 00:45:43
The vision the supervisor client has is to turn that into a little museum. 00:45:46
So, and as far as the scope of that goes. 00:45:50
Again, will be will be the first step. We'll be doing complete watching tomorrow. 00:45:54
At the property, start that process. 00:45:58
So the. 00:46:02
The thought I have on this property is that this is going to be a project that goes on and on. 00:46:04
For many years and so. 00:46:09
As we identify the we may have to put those knees off. 00:46:12
Until a later time. 00:46:16
Unless we have the money. 00:46:18
To do it. 00:46:21
From the state or whatever. 00:46:22
So as we go through the wish list or. 00:46:24
The ideas? 00:46:27
That's all good, won't you? 00:46:28
Keep the houses from deteriorating. Keep the barn from deteriorating. 00:46:31
But as far as getting the actual remodel done, that may take. 00:46:35
And I kind of see this as it's a little bit like the fairgrounds, which I support. 00:46:39
Two, it's an ongoing. 00:46:44
Process that's going to take a while. 00:46:47
To get everything done. 00:46:49
That's kind of how I envision it. 00:46:51
So what we may not have enough to do at all. 00:46:54
One thing, and I will make this really clear guys, because it keeps coming back to Supervisor Klein. 00:46:56
But this isn't just my project, this is accounting project and that's why we're out in this work session, OK? 00:47:02
Is to go over everything that I see out there and. 00:47:08
And trying to address the things that we definitely need to address either from a live dose liability standpoint or. 00:47:12
Whatever it needs to be. 00:47:20
In that nature. 00:47:22
But it's a county project. 00:47:24
That's what it is. 00:47:26
You know the county. 00:47:28
Gila County. 00:47:30
Hopefully this year. 00:47:31
Saying maybe this fall. 00:47:35
When we get that conveyed to us, that's 232 acres that's going to be. 00:47:37
Owned by the county. 00:47:41
I've had that thought a lot. 00:47:44
I thought about the operating costs. I've thought about many different things and it's like. 00:47:46
If you stepped out to buy 232 acres in Young AZ today. 00:47:52
You better go win the lottery. 00:47:58
You know, I, I, I'm serious, especially with the buildings on it that we've got. 00:48:00
And a lot of these projects that Michael's going through right now. 00:48:05
Was is really? Once they're done, they're done. 00:48:09
It it's it might be an issue of. 00:48:13
Later down the road in some year that there'll be maintenance needs or whatever, but. 00:48:16
But it's just catching it up to. 00:48:21
So where we need to be with these guests and? 00:48:24
Veterans that we've got coming into the site. 00:48:28
It's like the chip ceiling. It's like this parking lot right out here. 00:48:31
You know, you step out in the parking lot right there at the main building in Young and it's got cracks in the asphalt that's this 00:48:35
wide. 00:48:38
Well, ACIP looks at that and says what are you going to do about that, You know, tripping hazard. 00:48:43
You know today and Rick's sitting with us and share it too, but. 00:48:48
You can sue anybody for a couple 100 bucks. 00:48:53
And so these are all the issues that I see out there. 00:48:56
That I feel like we we need to stay ahead of. 00:49:01
Best we can. We can't cover everything, I know that. 00:49:05
But. 00:49:08
We can cover a lot of it. 00:49:09
OK, Chairman, members of the board, that's my presentation in the whole. 00:49:13
And. 00:49:19
Curious if you have any additional questions. 00:49:20
Supervisor Christensen, you were talking about funding and those kinds of things. I've had conversations with county manager men 00:49:24
love. 00:49:27
So there is the $3,000,000 we've gotten from the state of Arizona. 00:49:30
And there's also. 00:49:34
And speaking with Mr. Menlo. 00:49:36
We we still have. 00:49:38
Approximately $4.5 million. 00:49:40
In LA TCF funding money. 00:49:42
That could be spread out through the county and other projects as well. 00:49:45
So those are the kind of funding streams that we're talking about. 00:49:49
If, if you guys don't mind, I'd like to talk about funding and financing and. 00:49:53
Money right now. 00:49:58
OK, this is what Michael's been waiting for. 00:50:00
I I told you guys a while ago, I do not like to state government process. 00:50:05
I don't like the money that we spent up there already. 00:50:09
I don't like the fact that we can't hardly get breakouts of individual projects or anything like that. We always hear about it it. 00:50:13
I honestly think there's some. 00:50:21
Issues there. 00:50:25
And and I don't like it. The other part of it I don't like is the fact that it's not open bids. 00:50:27
For other people to come in and bid on, just like I've said here, and listen to Tim talk about our housing. 00:50:33
Bids around for maintenance and stuff like that. Do we have any locals to bid on it? 00:50:39
Well, through the state procurement process, these people, not necessarily locals, these are people from wherever. 00:50:44
Are already signed up through the state procurement. 00:50:51
And so that's who they use. 00:50:54
I think. 00:50:58
Then well. 00:50:59
I I can tell you that we got took to the cleaners up there on the last big remote job that we did. 00:51:02
And I am not willing to do that again. 00:51:09
We talked about the building that we've been talking to Mr. Minlove about. 00:51:12
And everything like a big tin building. 00:51:17
You know, redirect building. 00:51:20
You can go online, you can pull those up, you can look at the mall day long. 00:51:23
For less than $100,000. 00:51:27
They come in and build it. 00:51:30
I called the one of those companies. 00:51:32
And I asked him, I talked to him about it. There's just list after list after list of these companies out there. Some are 00:51:34
nationwide. 00:51:37
A lot of them were local. 00:51:41
But I asked them. I said. 00:51:43
So tell me the deal on this. 00:51:44
And so when you guys, if I call you up and I want a building whatever size it is, three 3000 square feet. 00:51:46
That comes with engineered plans. It comes with design. 00:51:52
Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. It just depends on whether. 00:51:56
We want to do the senior. 00:52:00
Concrete, concrete work, the infrastructure coming out of the ground, whatever else. 00:52:02
I said OK. 00:52:07
Not mentioning anything other than. 00:52:08
A rough size of 5000 square feet at the time is what I run through them. 00:52:11
I said, what do you think 5000 square foot building would be? Well, what do you want? I mean there's, there's so many different 00:52:17
designs and there is. We see it every day. 00:52:22
When you go anywhere, you see schools, you see churches, you see office buildings. Those, a lot of those are these red iron 00:52:28
buildings. I mean, they're really cool. 00:52:32
So it's clearly as much as you want to spend on a building, but something that's practical. 00:52:37
Can be used. 00:52:41
When it needs to be used. 00:52:43
First thing he told me was well it depends on your design and architect. I said well I thought you guys designing and do the 00:52:45
architect work. 00:52:49
No, because if you did that you'd have to go out and get 3 bids. I said Yep, you're right. 00:52:54
So we'd have to turn in exactly what we want. 00:52:59
So we could get 3 bids then on, on. 00:53:02
This this package right here. 00:53:04
Yeah, I said OK, well, let's just. 00:53:07
Ballpark figure. 00:53:10
Tell me what you think. 00:53:12
It would be. 00:53:14
With just a plain Jane type building that looks nice and matches the green building that we have there we want to match. 00:53:15
Kind of described it to him. 00:53:22
He said probably around 250,000. 00:53:24
What you're looking at? I said so for less than 500,000. 00:53:28
We could get one built. 00:53:32
He said absolutely. 00:53:34
And so. 00:53:36
You know when I'm talking to Michael and Joseph and. 00:53:38
And James and we're sitting around the table and talking about these things. We get numbers back or thrown at us that are. 00:53:42
Like $3,000,000 for this building. 00:53:49
And I'm about to fall out of the chair again. 00:53:52
I'm flat saying there's no way. 00:53:54
I would ever agree to spend $3,000,000 for a $500,000 building. 00:53:58
And so. 00:54:03
That's where I am still at today. 00:54:05
I still I don't like it. 00:54:08
You guys can remember back now, maybe not you Steve, but me and Tim. 00:54:12
Back in the time when we came on board, we staff. 00:54:16
The facilities department up. 00:54:20
They've got everybody right there to do whatever we need done. 00:54:22
As far as contracting or anything like that, you don't just need to throw it to the state procurement walk, walk away with. 00:54:26
And so my biggest thing is if we build whatever we build or decide to build, whether it's the add on to that building. 00:54:33
Which is really knocked down a lot of the cost because we already have the infrastructure there. 00:54:41
There's the only thing that the biggest problem would be would be to relocate. 00:54:46
Pump station right outside the building for the sewer outfit. 00:54:51
That's it. 00:54:54
Rest of it's there, the bathrooms are there, is already part of a conference room there as well. The water is there, the electric 00:54:56
is right there. 00:55:00
And so. 00:55:04
I just want you guys to know something that if it comes down to word. 00:55:06
There's a push to spend that kind of money. 00:55:11
$3,000,000 on a on a building. 00:55:14
I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna vote for it. I'm not gonna do it. I think we're getting ripped. 00:55:17
And when I tell you this, I'm going to tell you the reason why this is a work session so. 00:55:22
When we did the first remodel job. 00:55:28
Up there and worked on those buildings. 00:55:31
Time went by, time went by, time went by. We didn't get anything done until I threw a fit and said it's time to do something. 00:55:34
Joseph came to me, James was part of those conversations, and we decided, OK, best thing we can do. 00:55:43
Is run with the state. 00:55:49
Process. They've already got contractors lined up, yadda yadda yadda. So we did. 00:55:51
And I didn't really. 00:55:57
Have a good grasp of the process. That's my fault. 00:55:58
Until afterwards. 00:56:01
We're sitting there going through the list of accomplishments that Michael just talked about. 00:56:04
We rebuilt decks on barracks, we remodeled the inside of the barracks we rebuilt. 00:56:09
Sewer system, we did all this work on there. 00:56:15
And we put in 13 ramadas with some dirt work and a little bit of trenching for some solar lights and the dirt work. 00:56:20
Was granted that we purchased right there locally. 00:56:27
The sites for the Ramadas facilities cut those in with their skidster. I helped lay that out. 00:56:31
Those and we owned the Ramadas. The Ramadas were sitting there on site, those 13 Ramadas. 00:56:40
That was the most expensive part of that whole first package. We spent $472,000. 00:56:46
Setting up. 00:56:56
13 Ramadas. 00:56:57
When Joseph and them told me that sitting in the ring that day, I had a lot to say about that. 00:56:59
And it was real obvious that that state procurement. 00:57:04
I'm not saying it's all this way, so I want. 00:57:08
I want everybody to understand I'm not pointing the fingers of their baby. 00:57:11
This is why I don't like it if there's backdoor deals cut. 00:57:14
We don't know it. 00:57:17
We don't have an idea of what those costs are going to be up front. It all comes in the back door. 00:57:19
And it's too late. You're going to do it. 00:57:25
I and I, I just absolutely. 00:57:28
Do not want to see us go with some out of state or out of town county contractors that's going to RIP us off or how. 00:57:32
Had the chance of ripping us off. 00:57:41
I'm gonna say that you're gonna do it again, but the chance is there. 00:57:43
And that's why I'm so intent. 00:57:46
On our facilities, people, we had the manpower. 00:57:49
In there to put out regular type contracts and solicit bids for what we need done and use as many locals and keep the money 00:57:52
locally. 00:57:57
The Weekly News. 00:58:02
And I will stand by that one to the end. I sit here now since that project was going on until I finally walked into James's office 00:58:04
a while back. 00:58:08
And I said, hey, I'm done. 00:58:14
We're sitting here spinning our wheels. We've got a parking lot out here that hasn't been done. We talked about it. 00:58:16
We have other projects out there. I don't see anything getting done. So right now I'm going to tell you what. 00:58:21
Let's start looking at the projects that we can get done on that Vet Center up there and let's get going. 00:58:27
Let's get moving. 00:58:33
And we'll we'll look at all the little things that we need to do to satisfy our insurance. 00:58:35
And and to. 00:58:41
Help our liability. 00:58:43
And let's get some stuff going. 00:58:45
And that's where we've been. 00:58:48
I want to go back to the generators. 00:58:51
It doesn't matter to me one way or another if we have backup generators. 00:58:54
I've lived without that long time in the past. 00:58:58
Is always in the winter time though. That's when electric would go out. Is in the winter time. 00:59:01
I'm sure in pacing you had that. 00:59:05
But the fact of the matter is now it's the summertime. And not only is it the summertime, we're faced with the fact APS or SRP. 00:59:08
Has some bad days. They walk up and turn the switch off. 00:59:15
Well, when you've got gas setting in those houses and their power goes out. 00:59:19
And we have no way of. 00:59:24
Accommodating Elmer. 00:59:26
Or at least getting them through the day hoping it's gonna kick back on things get a little tough. 00:59:28
And so that's to me. 00:59:33
Is our main goal. The other thing of the is, is that main station right there, the office building on station with office 00:59:36
building? 00:59:40
Has to have one. 00:59:43
Power goes out. 00:59:45
I don't know what's gonna run our. 00:59:46
Office up there with all the. 00:59:48
Servers and all this stuff in it, we have to have air conditioning on and that thing keep it cooled off all the time. 00:59:50
So there's some of these specific needs that are there that we're going to need to spend some money on to get, but once it's 00:59:57
spent. 01:00:00
Once those things are in place. 01:00:04
We're done. It's not a reoccurring thing every other year we have. 01:00:07
Do this stuff I. 01:00:11
I want everybody to understand this isn't the wish wish list that I put together. 01:00:14
These are things on this site that I see that are very critical to this site that needs done. A wish list. I agree with you Steve. 01:00:19
It can come in time for the next 25 years. 01:00:25
I, I don't, I don't worry about that. That's that'll be up to somebody else. It won't be up to me. 01:00:32
But there's one thing I do worry about, and that is the fact of getting things done on the ground right now. 01:00:36
And I see a big lack of that. 01:00:42
And I honestly had enough of that. 01:00:44
Michael has stepped up to take on this project. 01:00:48
And. 01:00:52
Proud he did. He gives me somebody I can gripe about. Straight to Michael now, but. 01:00:54
But. 01:01:00
There's things that have to be. 01:01:01
We have to get going on. 01:01:04
We've got $3,000,000 sitting there that a. 01:01:06
Representing gave us. 01:01:08
That every time I get the questions, well, wait, we got that money. What have you built with that money? What's the plans with 01:01:10
that money? 01:01:13
I'm going to start sending them to Michael, those conversations. 01:01:16
You know, for me, I'm beating my head against the wall trying to get something done and lying down and get started and we haven't 01:01:20
been able to do. 01:01:24
But now it's going to be Michael that's going to answer the questions. 01:01:27
And we have when we have commitments like that, we can't drag things out for. 01:01:31
Two years, three years, whatever it's gonna turn out to be. 01:01:37
We need to get started. 01:01:40
We have other projects we've said here. 01:01:43
Two or three times and went through LATCF funds, ARPA funds, all this money, we sit here and prioritize projects one after 01:01:47
another. 01:01:52
I don't see a whole hell of a lot getting done there either. 01:01:56
And I don't know you guys, maybe you have more patience than I do, but my patients are done. 01:02:00
So I'd be more than happy to answer any questions anybody has. 01:02:06
Well, and we're here to debate. 01:02:12
Spending, obviously. So you have anything. 01:02:15
I do. I have. I have several things. 01:02:19
We're under a special use permit. 01:02:25
With the Vet Center at this time, is that correct? It is. 01:02:29
OK, then yeah, that that's, that's one deal that that. 01:02:33
Believe me, I support the vets more than anybody. I support this project. 01:02:41
But when when I got my my. 01:02:45
My information for the meeting. 01:02:48
You know, even today you said, you know, it's a county project. 01:02:51
And the county can own the property. 01:02:55
Well when I read the special use permit it says. 01:02:59
This permit. 01:03:02
Shall expire at midnight on. 01:03:04
20/31/20. 01:03:06
4020 years from the date issued. 01:03:08
It was amended in. 01:03:11
October 21st. 01:03:14
1976. 01:03:16
And and so you know. 01:03:19
This permit is not renewable. 01:03:21
Prior to expiration of this permit. 01:03:23
The holder may apply for a new permit. 01:03:26
For the use of occupancy authorized by. 01:03:29
This permit. 01:03:32
OK, so. 01:03:34
That kind of. 01:03:37
There's and I'm not. 01:03:39
Arguing understand there's two different deals. One I'm looking at special use permit. 01:03:41
Two, I'm hearing that. 01:03:46
That it can be the county. 01:03:48
OK. That, that's, that's a question I have that's not going to be answered today. 01:03:50
I don't know if it's going to take an act of Congress to change that. 01:03:56
But for right now we're under special use permit. 01:03:59
And talking about funding and projects. 01:04:03
Also in the contract it says all plans and development, layout, construction. 01:04:07
Reconstruction or alterations? 01:04:12
Of improvements in the permitted area as well as revisions. 01:04:16
To those plans must be prepared by a professional engineer architect. 01:04:21
Landscape architect or other qualified personnel based on the Federal employment Standards. 01:04:26
Acceptable to the. 01:04:32
Authorized Officer. 01:04:35
These these plans and plan revisions. 01:04:37
Must have written approval. 01:04:42
From the authorized officer before they are implemented the authorized. 01:04:44
Officer may require the holder to furnish. 01:04:50
Umm, as building plans, map surveys. 01:04:53
Upon completion. 01:04:59
And that's just a couple things. You know, I think it's 20 pages long. 01:05:00
And so. 01:05:04
You know my questions are. 01:05:05
OK, one. 01:05:09
Are these things being discussed? 01:05:10
With. 01:05:13
The permit holder that is allowing us. 01:05:15
To go forward with these. 01:05:18
And. 01:05:21
I have other questions. 01:05:22
As well, but we can pause that. Let me answer some of that to you. Maybe this will answer some of them. 01:05:26
The Forest Service. 01:05:35
Was the ones that. 01:05:36
Convincing convinced us, they told us. 01:05:38
You need to. 01:05:41
Get the special use permit to take this over. 01:05:43
To have to occupy the site you know. 01:05:47
And on and on. So they're the ones that brought that to us. 01:05:51
There's at the time it was the acting chief in Washington, DC Me and Kathy were sitting there at the table with her. 01:05:55
Told us to do that, so we had. 01:06:01
Her special uses guy and we had her realtor. 01:06:04
Lady sitting at the same table. 01:06:10
So we did that. That's why that came up. 01:06:13
In the process, they said you'll need to come up with a sponsor, a bill or whatever to run for the conveyance, which we already 01:06:16
knew. 01:06:20
Of Representative Gosar. 01:06:24
Was the one that started. 01:06:27
So we already knew. 01:06:29
We had to do that. 01:06:31
But to get in there and do anything with this site and one of the biggest issues to me at the time was. 01:06:32
The four services quit that site. They left. 01:06:39
So, umm. 01:06:43
Just a simple little roof leak. 01:06:44
Or a door that didn't close all the way. Or a hole in the wall. 01:06:47
Was causing big issues. 01:06:51
And so. 01:06:53
We signed the special use permit. The county went in there and signed the special use permit. We took possession of it. 01:06:55
And then when we. 01:07:01
Into that bill some more. 01:07:03
Unfortunately, there's not a lot of bipartisan bills up there on the Hill, but this one actually is. 01:07:07
We haven't had really anybody disagree with this. 01:07:14
This deal on either side of the aisle. 01:07:18
The only thing that we had was. 01:07:20
The. 01:07:23
There's some some people that wanted a revisionary clause in the bill. 01:07:26
So I come back, I sit down with the floor supervisor and I told who is Neil Bosworth? At the time I said Neil. 01:07:33
We need to put a revisionary clause in this, you know, for this bill to finish it all out and everything. 01:07:41
He said I don't want one. 01:07:47
I don't want a revisionary pause in it. I don't want it back. 01:07:49
And I said, well, we don't have a choice because that's what they're saying on the heel is they want this. 01:07:53
A clause in it. 01:08:00
So that what that says is if it. 01:08:01
Somewhere along the way, ever becomes used. 01:08:04
Or something other than veterans. 01:08:07
It could automatically rollback to the federal government. 01:08:10
At any time. 01:08:15
And so. 01:08:17
So that's in there. 01:08:18
The other thing of it is, is we're on our third run for a bill. 01:08:19
We were down to the last. 01:08:25
Day last year. 01:08:27
This bill, actually. 01:08:29
It would pass the House. It had passed the Senate, no. 01:08:31
The Senate held it up. 01:08:36
That on the last week to the last day trying to get some other stuff attached to it because they knew it would pass. 01:08:38
So they were playing the game that we all see them play up there a lot. 01:08:45
They take a good thing and they overload it with all this other crap. 01:08:49
That's out there knowing that it's going to go through. 01:08:52
And so it failed. It didn't make it. 01:08:56
It's already passed the House this year. 01:08:58
About two months ago, or at least I think. 01:09:01
And so I think it's been through or going through the 2nd read in the Senate. 01:09:04
The bill has not changed. It's the same bill. 01:09:09
Our message on the hill up there has been we want to see this thing pass. We want to see it done. 01:09:14
And so the word that we're getting back is that they're actually working. 01:09:19
A little harder on that Senate side to hopefully get this bill passed. 01:09:24
And get it through. The last timeline I heard when I talked to him about it was gonna be maybe September this year, September, 01:09:28
October. 01:09:33
I'm hoping that's true, otherwise we're going to go for round 4, but. 01:09:37
But that's where we're at. 01:09:42
The one thing you guys gotta watch too, because I do a lot. 01:09:43
There's people campaigning on this site. 01:09:48
Not only at the local level, but at the federal level. 01:09:52
This net center has reached far and wide. 01:09:55
And, you know, you keep holding something up and pretty soon people get smart enough to say, hey. 01:09:59
If you support it so so hard, why are you holding it back? 01:10:04
And they're not holding it back, they're just plates and games with it as. 01:10:08
What they've done. So we're in it for another. What is that, 17 years, I think, Jim? 01:10:11
The figures you got. 01:10:18
On a special use permit now on projects. 01:10:20
Everything that we do. 01:10:23
Is run through the district Ranger. He's our point of contact on the Fed. 01:10:26
He's the one that comes out when we say, hey, we'd like to build this building. He comes out and walks around the site with us, 01:10:30
stands out there and we talk about it and. 01:10:35
He and Kathy is always kidding him. It's like, yeah, you have this big, beautiful building here, and when you get it back, you 01:10:40
know? 01:10:43
He's like, no, I don't want a bat. 01:10:47
But he's the one that approves the projects. 01:10:48
Umm, if there's anything in the mean time that comes up with. 01:10:52
I don't know, something out of the blue maybe? 01:10:56
Shippo or some kind of regulation, he's always the one we deal with. 01:10:59
He's our point of contact on this side. 01:11:03
And so when Joseph had done the same thing with him as well on everything we've done. 01:11:06
And the other thing on this site that those of you that don't know. 01:11:12
The Forest Service retained about 10 acres. 01:11:16
That 10 acres has a big tin building 3 big. 01:11:20
Have shot with office spaces on the end of it. 01:11:25
At first that was all coming to us as well, but they decided they wanted to keep it for like a work center and I totally agree 01:11:29
with that. I thought it was stupid of him to give it to us to be in with right there. 01:11:34
So they kept it. So what we're doing also is with the sewer system, the water system. 01:11:39
We're we're working with them on all that, working into the maintenance and whatever we needed. 01:11:46
Keep all that going. 01:11:51
If there ever comes a day when they absolutely things totally change, which may be really soon. 01:11:53
You never know, we may end up with it as well. 01:11:59
For the time being, that's that's where we're at. 01:12:02
Does that help answer some stuff? 01:12:05
Yeah, it did, and I still have a few more questions, but I'll be on pause for a minute. 01:12:08
Chairman, OK. 01:12:13
Comment Yeah. 01:12:15
So, Michael? 01:12:17
The list you've given us today and thank you for doing that. 01:12:20
Is not likely an all inclusive list of what needs to be done on the site. 01:12:26
It there's got to be more, I would think. What about the? 01:12:32
The camping. The trailer park. 01:12:37
Place where people could come and hook up. 01:12:40
RV Park. RV Park, Is that completed? Yes, it is. Oh, it is. 01:12:43
Wow. OK, so that's how many spaces? 01:12:48
66 OK. Yes, Sir. 01:12:51
So I agree. 01:12:57
And we've worked together. 01:13:00
As a county project, this is a county project, the fairgrounds county project and. 01:13:03
And I support both the projects and all, and so we have some designated money for this site. 01:13:08
So it's not like we're pulling it from some other place. It's like it's earmarked for the site. 01:13:14
303 thousand $33,000 plus. 01:13:19
Are matched, that is correct OK. 01:13:22
We have. 01:13:25
80,085 thousand match on the 333. 01:13:26
Umm, Moloch and soap. 01:13:32
Our next question is that sounds like a lot of money to me. Sounds like a lot of money. 01:13:34
And I've been working on something else where someone wanted to build a building and they got a quote. 01:13:39
Metal building. 01:13:45
With the concrete. 01:13:47
Almost 5000 square feet 200 and. 01:13:49
$240,000. 01:13:53
For the building. 01:13:55
And that and then to outfit and all that, they're just thinking, well, it's going to cost another. 01:13:57
So. 01:14:01
Where is. 01:14:06
So Woody comes in and says we can build a building. 01:14:08
For about. 01:14:13
Quarter of a million to three hundred $400,000 outfitted. Let's say that the whole thing is completed with $1,000,000. 01:14:14
1,000,005. 01:14:21
OK, uh. 01:14:22
Is that possible? 01:14:23
What is? What is he saying when he says? 01:14:25
When we get involved. 01:14:30
It ends up being twice that. 01:14:33
What? Where does he either not? 01:14:35
Understand because I look at it the same way. 01:14:39
Help us understand. 01:14:43
How we need to do this and why it costs more? 01:14:45
Chairman, members of the board, so. 01:14:50
Let me answer that without getting in too much trouble. 01:14:53
So there's a couple. 01:14:56
Supervisor Klein was mentioning the procurement process, state contractors, so there's. 01:14:58
There's a couple different. 01:15:02
Processes we follow in facilities to get these. 01:15:04
Buildings. 01:15:08
Instructed. 01:15:09
Tommy Klein, Martin Building and the Animal Control Shelter. 01:15:11
Were used use the process called design bid build. 01:15:15
So that's a. That's a lengthier process than the state contractor. 01:15:19
State contractor is. 01:15:23
Is they've already been pre screened? 01:15:25
At the state level. 01:15:28
State contractors. You hire that state contractor and give them the entire scope. 01:15:30
And you come back with a price. 01:15:35
And then they do it all. 01:15:37
The design bid build is more. 01:15:39
Labor intensive for staff. 01:15:42
Because what you have to do is you have to go out for design. In other words, hire an architect. 01:15:44
Right state procurement rules allow counties to hire an architect without going out for RFP. 01:15:49
So that's it. That's a good thing. It saves a lot of time there. You pick an architect, you interview architects, you pick a 01:15:57
particular one that you're comfortable with. 01:16:01
And then you're able to hire that architect. 01:16:05
With a contract to provide. 01:16:10
The next step, which is they will. They will. 01:16:12
Design the structure. 01:16:16
They will hire the engineers necessary. 01:16:18
In this particular situation are the Pleasant Valley. In most cases you still have to. 01:16:20
You still have to include site design, you know, where do you have to move the dirt? You know, the infrastructure, the outside 01:16:25
wastewater system, the electrical system, are they close where they, you know? 01:16:30
You have to design the on site wastewater system. 01:16:35
To handle additional load, those kinds of things. 01:16:38
The architects responsible for getting that all into the design. 01:16:41
And then the next step after that is to. 01:16:45
Go out, forbid. 01:16:48
So you send out RFQ's to companies? 01:16:50
And to see if they actually can do this type of building. 01:16:54
Right with the infrastructure. 01:16:57
And then and then you go out for RFQ. 01:16:59
And then or. 01:17:03
And then? 01:17:05
You come in front of the board. 01:17:06
We asked permission to advertise for the RP. 01:17:08
And then we go off forbid, and then we look at all the bids. 01:17:12
Individually and then we come up with the best bid, we choose the best bid whatever company number of companies will bid on it. 01:17:15
You have to go with who submits the bid. 01:17:23
And then and then staff takes a look at every item. 01:17:26
Every line item. 01:17:30
We have to determine if this is the right material, if this is. 01:17:31
The right look we want. So it's sort of Labor intensive. We we. 01:17:35
We meet with the supervisor. We meet with James Menlo, county manager. 01:17:40
Everybody involved to. 01:17:44
Go through these line items to make sure that we are getting. 01:17:45
Exactly what we want. 01:17:49
Building umm. 01:17:51
And then and then. 01:17:52
When you hire that company, then they build it. 01:17:54
Part of the process with design bid build is also the contractor you hire. 01:17:56
Will actually. 01:18:01
It's required part of the contract. It's typical to put it in there that they're required to. 01:18:02
Searching locally. 01:18:08
For subcontractors. 01:18:09
So if there's a local subcontractor that can provide the skill that they need for that building. 01:18:11
Then in fact then. 01:18:17
We ask that they hire that local contractor. 01:18:19
So that's that's the difference is. 01:18:23
Is with state contracting. It's it's a lot more streamlining. 01:18:25
Less time. 01:18:29
There's more staff involved in the design that build. 01:18:31
And you get more. 01:18:34
Input into the look and everything else like that. 01:18:35
So I hope that explains it. 01:18:38
Well, it does the process. Does it actually cost them twice as much or is? 01:18:40
Oh, we missing something in there. 01:18:46
I think what supervisor Klein and and the question you're asking me is is. 01:18:48
We don't know the cost of the building right now. 01:18:53
We have to. 01:18:56
Deal with the architect. The architect has. 01:18:58
Come up with a cost estimate as far as the building goes. 01:19:01
We have us. We have a. 01:19:05
A little bit of a cost estimate from the architect. 01:19:08
But we're meeting with her today, this afternoon to come up with a more solid cost estimate for. 01:19:11
For the building. 01:19:17
Because the building itself is 1 cost, but we're talking about the infrastructure is also an added cost to. 01:19:19
Out in that particular area, right, because we have an on site wastewater system, it's called a lagoon system. So we have to 01:19:25
addition, we have to engineer. 01:19:29
Those kinds of systems to accept the additional costs. 01:19:34
And possibly if. 01:19:38
It depends on the location because we're still, we're still nailing down what location you would like. 01:19:40
A little bit on top of the hill by the admin building or attached to the admin building. 01:19:46
So we're going to try and discuss that with the architect today. 01:19:51
To see if there's any any cost differential between the locations. 01:19:54
Would it be cheaper to add it to the admin building or would it be a better stand alone building? 01:19:59
On its own. So those are some of the questions that we have to ask. 01:20:04
OK, so I. 01:20:08
And we'll keep talking, but. 01:20:11
To me, we have three and a half million dollars earmarked for the site and it's not really. 01:20:14
We're still kind of in this. We don't know where it's going to go. We don't know. 01:20:20
What to do? But it sounds like. 01:20:24
We're getting closer to that. 01:20:27
We've had the money a couple years now or whatever it is and. 01:20:29
So yeah, I'd like to see some progress on it too. 01:20:33
And so that's forthcoming. 01:20:36
The Chairman for point of clarification. 01:20:39
Umm, the 333,000 year mark plus the 25% must be used for the ADA. 01:20:42
Cabin, so we can't use any of that funding for any other one. 01:20:49
The $3,000,000 can be used for any construction. 01:20:54
Project including. 01:20:57
If there's money leftover from whatever. 01:20:59
Building that, we're looking to add on the Community Center. If there's money leftover and the ADA compliant cabin goes over the 01:21:02
400,000, you can use that 300,000. 01:21:07
1000 or $3,000,000 to supplement that, but you can't do it the other way. 01:21:12
So what I'm saying then is, are we going to see proposals for that soon? 01:21:17
Like. 01:21:22
This is our plan. We're going to build 1000 square foot house. 01:21:24
Ada and it's going to go here. 01:21:29
And this is where we're going to. 01:21:31
You know, this is how big we're going to build this Community Center. 01:21:34
And it's going to go here. 01:21:37
I mean, are you? 01:21:39
Are we working toward that, or are we still in this vague? 01:21:40
Kind of. We don't. We don't know where we're going. 01:21:43
I will put it like this, Chairman, members of the board, yes. 01:21:45
Meeting this afternoon is going to be very. 01:21:48
To the location of a new building's size and the ADA compliant cabinet. 01:21:51
Train number. 01:21:57
Bring in all of those things. 01:21:58
We've had several meetings. 01:22:00
With the architect, supervisor, client and. 01:22:02
Manager men Love met on site with the architect out there so she knows the property very well. So yes, we are hoping in the next. 01:22:05
The next two months to at least bring something in front of the board from the architect for a contract to move forward with this 01:22:13
project. 01:22:17
For your considerations. 01:22:21
Thank you. 01:22:23
Yeah, just a question. Ben's your meeting with the architect? 01:22:25
Supervisor client brought up a like a metal building to come and be put up. 01:22:28
With the architect. 01:22:33
Yeah, the underground, the sewer modification, the electrical, all that stuff. 01:22:35
Is a cost and it's not going to change no matter the structure. 01:22:41
But as the architect looked into. 01:22:45
A metal building. 01:22:48
That's built out inside or whatever to match. 01:22:50
As well as maybe a wood structure stick frame building. 01:22:53
Because that, you know, may. 01:22:59
May change costs. What the what the building is made out of all this, all the plumbing and all that stuff. 01:23:01
Is not going to change no matter what the structures built out of. 01:23:07
But umm. 01:23:11
But I was just wondering if you could bring it up to them. 01:23:12
On cost of the structure of the building. 01:23:16
Different type. 01:23:19
Of buildings. 01:23:21
So. 01:23:23
What Michael is explaining to you is a process right there that. 01:23:28
We have. 01:23:33
And anybody can correct me that's that's fine. 01:23:36
We have to have an have an architect and we have to have it designed. It doesn't matter what we do, we have to have. 01:23:42
Those two things. 01:23:47
One of the things that I've heard this architect say that we're meeting with this afternoon. 01:23:49
I've heard her ask us two or three times what your construction costs. 01:23:55
What's your construction? 01:23:59
Well, I'm pretty simple minded if I tell you I want to build an open space 3000 square foot building with restaurants in it and a 01:24:02
little kitchen deal in them. 01:24:06
Corner design it for me. 01:24:11
I'll worry about the construction cost when I get ready to go build it. 01:24:13
Because then I may have to change it but the. 01:24:17
Fact of the matter is. 01:24:19
There's a certain percentage that they want to charge. 01:24:20
Your construction costs in addition to what they're getting. 01:24:25
It's not just a straight will pay you $5000 and you give us a architect and design. That's not the way it goes. 01:24:29
My first, my first. 01:24:37
Information from an architectural standpoint and a design for this building. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys threw me a 01:24:40
figure of $750,000. 01:24:45
I about fell over backwards. 01:24:50
You know that those those that type of money. 01:24:54
How are you going to go to the coffee club and patient with 80 veterans sitting right there and explain to them you just spent 01:24:58
$750,000 to put a plan on a piece of paper? 01:25:03
I don't want to be a part of that conversation. 01:25:09
You know. 01:25:12
It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. And that's one thing I have a problem with the lady. We're working now. Very nice 01:25:14
lady. She came out there. She looked at the site, she knows what's there. 01:25:21
Yadda yadda yadda. 01:25:27
But she doesn't need to know our construction costs. All she needs to know is what we want to build. 01:25:28
We'll worry about the construction cost when it comes to doubt, and we'll worry about whether or not we can afford it. 01:25:34
But that's not the way it works, guys. It's all based on a percentage that they're going to get in addition to. 01:25:39
And that jacks up your cost. That's why that's what Michael didn't tell you. 01:25:46
And that to me is where you go out for an open bid and you put it out there that I want a 3000 square foot building. 01:25:51
Kind of the general layout of it, which you can get on, you can get on that phone and in 5 minutes have more plans on that phone 01:26:01
than you can take a stick at. 01:26:05
Of these type of buildings. 01:26:10
They're there. 01:26:12
And for some reason, we're going away from that and all we're doing is spending money. 01:26:14
And I don't like it. 01:26:19
And so. 01:26:21
I. 01:26:22
I don't know what else to tell us to tell you guys that. That's why we come up with $3,000,000 filming. 01:26:26
Those are the kind of things that we come up with. 01:26:31
And another thing I'll tell you guys is that's going to continue to be the trend. Then I don't know why we have a big department 01:26:35
sitting over here in facilities. All we need is contracting officers. 01:26:40
If that's going to be the case. 01:26:46
You know. 01:26:48
I I'm just, I told you guys, I'm not, I'm not a patience on it and it doesn't matter which department I'm not. 01:26:50
Other patients on all of this. 01:26:57
And we have spent so much money. 01:26:59
I can't justify it. 01:27:01
There's no way. 01:27:03
I can't just define having a beefed up department and us spending these kind of this kind of money. 01:27:04
But when you ask the question, Stephen, I'm really glad you asked it. 01:27:11
Because there's another guy I found out just three days ago built a bigger building than what I was thinking about. 01:27:15
And spent just under $300,000 to build it. 01:27:22
And that was from the ground out. 01:27:26
And there's a three Bay. 01:27:29
Open Red Iron Building. 01:27:30
And so if you think about that and you use those figures and you do your research and do your homework. 01:27:34
There is no reason in my simple way of thinking that we can't build 1000 square foot handicapped building and whatever we want 01:27:40
whether it's an add on to the main building or a stand alone building. 01:27:46
For 3 1/2 or a million and a half dollars, there's no reason why we can't do that and probably have money leftover. 01:27:51
I'm not going to ask it this way. Well, maybe I will. Where is he wrong? 01:28:02
Why do we have to hire our? 01:28:05
What architect sounds expensive versus say? 01:28:10
A plan. Someone that draws plans. 01:28:13
So I'll piggyback on the supervisor Klein's. 01:28:16
Thought process it. 01:28:20
The typical. 01:28:22
Industry standard when you're talking about a big construction project is. 01:28:24
The architect. 01:28:29
You know, gets the construction total construction cost. 01:28:30
And they? 01:28:35
We'll charge you a percentage of that. 01:28:36
To be part of it. So that's what Supervisor Klein is talking about. There's an industry standard out there. You don't have to 01:28:39
follow it. It's just a standard, right? 01:28:43
And so. 01:28:47
Don't, don't, don't quote me on this, but I think it's around 15%. 01:28:48
Of the total cost of construction. So that's why a lot of architecture asked. 01:28:54
Because the bigger the project, the more. 01:28:58
Design and architect. 01:29:01
Those kinds of things go into the project so that. 01:29:03
Umm, that's what the industry is is like out there. 01:29:07
So can we circumvent that or is that required that we go after that? Well, I was also going to say. 01:29:10
Chairman, members of the board that. 01:29:16
We cannot circumvent that. 01:29:18
We need to design and engineer the entire project. 01:29:20
It has to be built the current building code. 01:29:25
ASAP was quite clear about that. 01:29:28
And it has to meet all of the all of the current building code fire codes. 01:29:31
And electrical codes. So that's that's why sometimes. 01:29:36
Especially depending on the use of this building. 01:29:40
It might require fire suppression system which is not cheap. 01:29:43
And out there, you might have to bring in its own water. 01:29:47
We don't know these kinds of things. That's sort of what we're going to be meeting with the architect and asking. 01:29:50
You know, is there a certain use of the building that we don't have to have fire suppression? 01:29:55
Is that what we so there, there's all sorts of questions. We're going to try and hopefully get some of these answers this 01:30:00
afternoon, Sir. 01:30:03
OK, the I had a good friend. 01:30:06
He passed away last year, but. 01:30:10
He was not an architect, but what he did is he drew plans for people. 01:30:13
It was really good. 01:30:17
And of course you need all the codes. 01:30:18
And he drew the plan for the house remodel. 01:30:21
Whatever. 01:30:24
Structures and all that. 01:30:25
And I'm sure his price was. 01:30:27
According to how many hours you have into it or you know. 01:30:29
That kind of thing. Is that an option to go that way rather than a? 01:30:33
You know, a licensed architect. 01:30:36
Chairman, members of the board, I would say. 01:30:39
No. The special use permit calls for a professional license, engineering and architectures. 01:30:41
Architectural drawings. So we have to follow the special use permit, but even if we have the property owned outright, we still 01:30:47
have to. 01:30:52
The building code which requires. 01:30:57
Engineering and licensing and architects as well. 01:31:00
So the person you're meeting with today, would you consider that person to charge what is standard in the industry for that? 01:31:04
She after conversations with Supervisor Klein and Mr. Menlo, she has agreed to a different. 01:31:12
Type of. 01:31:19
Structure for her fees that are not the industry standards. So I believe, I believe. 01:31:20
In fact, it's cheaper than the industry standard in the in the end. 01:31:26
OK, be anxious to hear that. 01:31:32
You know, I I would just like to add to when you're. 01:31:35
When you're talking residential or commercial. 01:31:38
There's a huge difference there is in cost because. 01:31:41
For a commercial building, especially with an insurance company with insurance the way it is, hey. 01:31:45
Yeah, it gets. It gets pretty nitpicky if you're going to have. 01:31:52
Commercial rather than residential. 01:31:57
There's also. 01:32:00
There's a number of folks. 01:32:03
That it will accommodate has different standards too. 01:32:05
And so we've we've kicked that one around a lot because. 01:32:09
Because that site will only handle 36 people. 01:32:13
Or it will hold the pitfall. 01:32:17
Looking about 36 people. 01:32:19
And so we settled on about 100. 01:32:21
People just say, OK, we'll pat it 100. 01:32:23
And 100 people needs 20 to 25 square feet of space for a meeting room. 01:32:26
That's national standards. 01:32:32
Well, that's 2500 square foot building. 01:32:35
And so that's why we said, OK, well, 2500, let's look at 3000 by the time we had restrooms and you know, little kitchen or 01:32:39
whatever. 01:32:42
And the last conversation with this lady was because Michael's right on the. 01:32:46
The sprinkler systems and stuff in there, that can get real costly. That's one of the things like in the courthouse in Payson, 01:32:52
that's costing us a ton of money. 01:32:57
Umm, but anyway, she's she was kind of saying that I'll go back and check because of the number of people. 01:33:01
Will dictate that as well, so I don't know where that's going I. 01:33:10
I really don't know. 01:33:14
I umm. 01:33:15
I I look forward to the meeting this afternoon. 01:33:19
I do. 01:33:21
And we do need. 01:33:22
Needed to be. 01:33:24
Design and architect no matter what. 01:33:25
We have to do that because even if we went out for open bids. 01:33:28
People have to know what they're bidding on and it's all about to be the same. 01:33:32
So we know that. 01:33:35
I just. 01:33:39
Well, I've already said my spill. 01:33:42
And you're a builder, Tim. I mean you. 01:33:44
Homes and everything else. 01:33:47
You know if anybody thinks I'm wrong and I'm looking at this difference. 01:33:49
You need to tell me. 01:33:53
But I don't see it. 01:33:55
I really don't see it. And infrastructure, Michael's right, a lot of that infrastructure can. 01:33:57
Can really cost you a lot of money. Fact of the matter is. 01:34:02
That site plan has already been developed for that whole. 01:34:06
Area. 01:34:10
Government did that long time ago when they did the. 01:34:11
The sewer systems and all that. 01:34:14
It's all put in there. 01:34:16
Nothing's changed. 01:34:17
Nothing's been added. 01:34:19
Or taken away, it's all the same. 01:34:21
So like site plan development on and on on. 01:34:23
Location is a big one. He's right. Which? 01:34:26
Both locations, whether it's the add-on or a new standalone building, everything is right there. Literally the power lines within 01:34:29
75 feet of the building if we build it. 01:34:34
With a transformer already on it. 01:34:39
Waters within 100. 01:34:41
Feet Sewers within another 200 feet. 01:34:43
So all of that is right there and. 01:34:46
There's I don't know. 01:34:53
I guess I just. 01:34:55
I get real frustrated when we have a department sitting there. 01:34:58
And when I when I was arguing with these guys on it all and and saying we'll go out for open bid. 01:35:02
This is ridiculous. Yadda yadda yadda. First thing I hear, and correct me if I'm wrong, Michael. 01:35:08
Is they need more staffing in the in the department, it can take up to four years to get this thing built. 01:35:14
Wrong thing to say to me again, you know, because I'm like James, you give me the money, you give me a half, $1,000,000 and I'll 01:35:21
have that thing built in less than six months. 01:35:26
That's real life. 01:35:31
That's what happens today. 01:35:33
And this building isn't nothing exceptional. 01:35:35
It's a run-of-the-mill type building. 01:35:38
We're not asking for exceptional type. 01:35:41
Fancy on and on on. 01:35:44
It's all there. I watched the big building and you did too, right there in Star Valley on on that property across from the. 01:35:46
The gas station go up and it went up in less than six months. 01:35:53
It's a big tin building. 01:35:58
Right there and so. 01:36:00
You know, I guess my issue is is I cannot. 01:36:02
Draw that line, or agree with that line between reality and governmental. 01:36:06
That's always been a problem to me. 01:36:12
And I think that's one of the things where I think. 01:36:14
Us sitting in this chairs, that's where our accountability comes from for our people. 01:36:17
It's like, you know, are we going to keep? 01:36:22
Running things that the government way, which is a lot of times it just borrow money at projects or we're going to do like the 01:36:25
people that have to build something do. 01:36:29
They they get down to the brass tacks, they get it done. It's built. 01:36:33
Finished and. 01:36:37
So, well, I'm ready to. 01:36:40
Keep going with it and get it done. We got the money. 01:36:45
Only going to cost more later. 01:36:49
And we have to spend it on. 01:36:51
So. 01:36:53
I think I would support. 01:36:55
Let's come up with a list. Let's come up with a plan. Let's come up with. 01:36:57
Progress. 01:37:01
That's what I'd like to see. 01:37:03
I've got a couple more questions. Sure, go ahead. 01:37:07
OK, now. 01:37:10
Where our special use permit. 01:37:13
To offer services for veterans. 01:37:16
What services are we offering? 01:37:20
Too many members of the board. If I may turn this over to supervisor client. 01:37:25
Absolutely. You might know better than I do. 01:37:29
Absolutely. 01:37:32
The whole services part of it. 01:37:34
Jim, the service that we offer right now today. 01:37:37
Is the peace and tranquility of that side especially for like PTSD? 01:37:40
People, uh. 01:37:45
People with families that are want to go somewhere for a reconnect. 01:37:46
A lot of people do that anymore, you know, people. 01:37:52
Coming back from deployment, their families, they'll go spend a week somewhere or a weekend or things like that. 01:37:55
The other services that we talked about in the past was there's through the VA system. 01:38:02
There's the. 01:38:09
The medical the. 01:38:11
Add administrative general. 01:38:12
Article all the mobile units that go around to different places and they set up for. 01:38:15
A day, 2 days, whatever it is, it's a circuit is what it is. 01:38:21
We haven't gotten that far yet because. 01:38:25
We're still trying to. 01:38:29
Really get going. I mean, we have people using it. Yes, we're there, but. 01:38:32
But that part of the services we really haven't. 01:38:37
Gotten to those yet, but those would be a list of the type services that could be used in that. 01:38:40
Site. 01:38:46
OK. 01:38:50
Yeah, that's fine. And so. 01:38:52
Were able to furnish. 01:38:55
Those services. 01:38:57
I guess. I guess where I'm at is we've had so much trouble with the gifting clause with. 01:39:00
Where we spend and what we spend, right? And the auditors come and stand in front of us. 01:39:05
On the services that we're offering now. 01:39:12
Are are we in the? Are we in the green with? 01:39:17
Yes. 01:39:20
We are the one, the one big group that has come in and it's kind of adopted us. 01:39:22
Basically. 01:39:27
Is I wish Kathy was still in that she'd tell you the exact name of it. It's a motorcycle group. 01:39:28
That their main office is in Colorado. 01:39:33
And something therapy. 01:39:36
Anyway, they they come in and spend a week at a time on that site. They usually stay in the barracks right there. They bring their 01:39:41
people with them. 01:39:46
They bring their insurance with them. 01:39:52
And what they do is they schedule these big long motorcycle rides. 01:39:54
They bring the motorcycles, they bring everything. 01:39:59
They make these big long day trips. 01:40:01
And by long I mean like leave young, go to show low, come back to Salt River Canyon, go back up to South Road and go back. 01:40:04
And then in the evening they have their therapy sessions. 01:40:12
I was. 01:40:16
I was invited me and. 01:40:19
Being Kathy and Lacey. 01:40:21
I think Lethal is there too. But anyway, they invited us all to come have dinner with. 01:40:26
Be a part of this therapy session. It was something. 01:40:30
Tell you it was really, really interesting, but that's what they do every day. 01:40:34
And so they take people, people apply for this. 01:40:38
Week, let's say. 01:40:42
From all different parts of the country. 01:40:44
When we were there with them that evening, there was one person from Hawaii. 01:40:47
There was, I think a couple from Texas and there was one from Pennsylvania. 01:40:51
So they fly in these folks together. 01:40:56
Bring them to young, they have their motorcycles there. 01:40:59
They give them a briefing on the motorcycles which the county. 01:41:03
Because of the insurance and liability and all that stuff, wasn't didn't want to do it. So I got property there in young. They go 01:41:08
around my property, they do a little ride. It's not a fast ride. It just makes sure everybody's got some balance. 01:41:14
And they put me on their their insurance to cover that. 01:41:20
For the afternoon. 01:41:24
They did their little right and then they're often gone for the week than those different things. 01:41:26
That's the one major group we have. 01:41:30
We had another Medical Group come in there and bring about 20 people with them. One time spent. 01:41:34
Almost a week, I want to say. And the same thing. They brought their own people. 01:41:40
Their only insurance policies we had. 01:41:44
We didn't have a cost in there. 01:41:47
Now when you talk about gifting. 01:41:50
I'm gonna bring. I'm gonna talk about this. James will correct me if I'm wrong. 01:41:52
We get handled every day. Hell, we can't even give them. 01:41:56
Football team a dollar without. 01:42:01
Justifying it and all that. We all know that. 01:42:04
Otherwise, Joe gets after us. 01:42:07
But. 01:42:09
What we've done is we've put together the nonprofit. 01:42:10
Part of this site. 01:42:15
Kathy's a member of it. 01:42:17
The rest of the members are from Payson Phoenix Globe. 01:42:19
Other places around. 01:42:23
So what they're going to do is they raise money to support this. 01:42:25
So James is working up a cost. 01:42:31
Kind of a somewhat cost what it costs for. 01:42:34
Let's just say someone to stay in the house for a night. 01:42:37
And that cost? 01:42:40
Will be reimbursed to the county from the nonprofit side. 01:42:43
Out of funds that they've raised, donations they've received. 01:42:48
Things of that nature. 01:42:53
And right now today they're doing really good on the fundraising and donations and everything. Like, I don't know, some of you 01:42:55
guys, I know Rick's been to it, Alex, I know you've been to the. 01:43:00
Auction in pace and really good deal for an afternoon evening. 01:43:06
Last one we had I think raised around $60,000. 01:43:10
And so that will be reimbursed back to the county to offset the cost of actually people coming in. 01:43:15
And stay in. 01:43:23
My biggest thing was and has always been, is I don't want veterans to pay a dime out of their pocket. 01:43:24
Unless they want to donate something or contribute whatever, that's fine if they want to do it. 01:43:30
But I don't want us to say, you know, it's gonna cost you $100 for the night or you can't stay here. 01:43:35
That's not what this project is about. 01:43:41
So having this in place. 01:43:44
Meets that and meets the gifting clause and laws and things like that. Does that answer your question? It it does, but like I said 01:43:47
earlier in the conversation, 260,000 a year. 01:43:53
To operate the place. 01:43:59
Don't want to get thank you for bringing that in trouble with the auditors. 01:44:02
Right, going forward and. 01:44:06
And there's gonna be more discussion on that because when I looked at that list to begin with, I think there's some added. 01:44:09
There, I'm just saying this. 01:44:14
So we need to look at that carefully. Not only do we need to look at that, but we can't use that as a true factor. 01:44:17
A true measurement because in normal times. 01:44:23
From about the end of November until, let's just say, April. 01:44:27
That site's probably gonna have to be limited because of weather. 01:44:31
So we're not really going to have a cost other than the two folks that live there which are work there, not live there. Well, they 01:44:36
live in young. 01:44:39
That worked there and that's when we have the chance to do maintenance type projects, things like that. 01:44:43
But it's, you know, keeping the lights on, keeping the water, keeping the heat on in the winter time costs money. 01:44:49
But so a lot of that under a normal year. 01:44:55
Will will be reduced. 01:44:58
Yeah. It's just, you know, these are questions that come up and and I can't. 01:45:01
Talk to you in the whole again. 01:45:05
Can't talk to either one of you and so that's why we have these work sessions is to be able to ask questions. 01:45:07
And and know kind of where we're going forward other than just the information that we get. 01:45:15
In an agenda meeting when we have to vote on something. 01:45:20
You know, then we try to get it, but but, you know, this is kind of an open door. 01:45:23
Conversation where we can ask questions and kind of find out. 01:45:28
More of what's going on. And so the other thing I'm gonna tell both of you, I'm gonna talk about the insurance a little bit, 01:45:32
James. 01:45:36
ACIP will cover all the buildings. 01:45:41
And things like that. 01:45:45
That's what ACIP covers. 01:45:46
The people coming in. 01:45:49
We ended up finding another insurance company for an umbrella. 01:45:52
Insurance that will cover that part of it or the event. 01:45:57
No for well. 01:46:01
Normally Jim, when when we say event, it's like a bigger group for a weekend or week. 01:46:03
Those people, most of those people, will probably be bringing their own engines with them. 01:46:10
If not, this may cover too as well or we get a little extra but. 01:46:14
Normally just a couple that walks in and spends the weekend. 01:46:18
That's where this umbrella coverage is going to cover. 01:46:22
So that's in addition. 01:46:25
To asim, but that's the breakout on the insurance sides. 01:46:27
And that's where we're at today. 01:46:31
Chairman. Members of the board. 01:46:36
If I could add a supervisor clients comments about the insurance. 01:46:38
Individuals, families that come to the property, we do now have a liability insurance policy to cover all of that. 01:46:42
Umm, what we're going to be moving to for events Supervisor Humphries is very is exactly what we do out at the fairgrounds. 01:46:49
There's a group of people that come to. 01:46:59
Pleasant Valley Veterans Retreat. They're gonna have to fill out an application. 01:47:02
That application will have to be reviewed by the Sheriff's Department. 01:47:06
To determine whether or not security is needed. 01:47:11
That's what the process we do out the fairground. 01:47:14
And they will need to provide us with a liability insurance policy for the group. 01:47:17
So we will require that for any group other than individuals and families that come and see at the property. 01:47:23
I hope that answers your question. 01:47:31
Yeah, that does. 01:47:33
Mr. Chair, the mask. 01:47:37
Any anything to say you've been you've been sitting pretty quiet today and we've covered a. 01:47:41
A lot of ground. 01:47:47
Mr. Chairman, Survivor Humphrey, thank you. 01:47:50
I will say I. 01:47:53
Not sure if we mentioned it, but everybody that comes there signs a waiver. 01:47:54
You know that they. 01:47:58
Wave the county having in the in responsibility. 01:48:00
Given our litigious society, we have the umbrella policy and things that. 01:48:05
Covers just in case. 01:48:10
Umm. 01:48:13
I hesitate to do this but. 01:48:19
Well, I'm going to do it anyway, Michael. I've given these these specific projects. 01:48:23
Said Michael. 01:48:28
We want to move forward on these certain things that are listed, a few of them. 01:48:30
And we want them done in six months. We want them done by Christmas. 01:48:36
Or by Thanksgiving, I guess is the time so. 01:48:40
We're trying to put a specific time frame for getting things done. 01:48:44
Thank you for your conversation today. 01:48:48
We will be getting substantial substantiated numbers. 01:48:51
Of what these different projects are, how much the cost? 01:48:56
Umm, I've. 01:49:00
To be honest with with the financing and stuff like that. 01:49:06
I was doing this building and. 01:49:09
I think $3,000,000 that we can use that for smaller things. 01:49:12
And then the money's gone and seeing how that is, that it goes quickly. 01:49:16
When we start using little chunks of money out of that $3,000,000. 01:49:22
And my preference has been. 01:49:27
Not my decision at all. 01:49:30
And so this has been very informative of what all three of you together, what your preferences are and how we go forward on this. 01:49:32
But. 01:49:39
Talking to Michael this morning. 01:49:40
Projects that he's spoken of is about a half, $1,000,000 in total. 01:49:42
Potentially using LATCF money for that and. 01:49:46
Half million dollars. 01:49:50
Keeping up $3,000,000. 01:49:52
But if we will truly can go there and get even if it's. 01:49:54
A million and a half dollars. We still have a lot of money left, so. 01:49:59
We need to get that those amounts substantiated and then we can say, OK, if we do that then we've got $1,000,000 then we can just 01:50:03
use. 01:50:07
On these projects that have been known today. 01:50:11
And that's why this meeting today with. 01:50:14
An architect is so critical. 01:50:17
Call. 01:50:20
I guess they have a question of umm. 01:50:24
Her attorney is being that we are allowed to be together today and it's been advertised. 01:50:26
Could I maybe sit in in the architect meeting means that we've already. 01:50:34
Been advertised to be together today. 01:50:39
And the same building. 01:50:42
Or am I invited I guess? 01:50:45
Yeah, I didn't know if the posting for our meeting today. 01:51:18
Would cover. 01:51:22
A secondary meeting so it hasn't been advertised. 01:51:24
So that answers my question. 01:51:27
OK, that answers my question. 01:51:30
Noticeably made. 01:51:34
OK. 01:51:40
Ask and answer. Thank you. 01:51:41
11 more thing I want to bring up. 01:51:44
Find you guys too. 01:51:46
Is back when we made our first push on getting some things done on the Vet Center, one of our Hangouts was being able to. 01:51:49
Have enough meetings to approve? 01:51:56
The cost? 01:52:00
Because James could only sign up to 50,000. 01:52:02
We've made a decision and upped that 50,000 for the Vet Center. 01:52:05
To 100,000 for James. 01:52:11
And I don't know if you guys remember that or not. 01:52:13
But that's still in place today. 01:52:15
The other thing I want to say to you, and I want to thank you both for being part of this work session. 01:52:18
But we've talked about this, and I remember talking to James about back then, too. If something comes up, we don't. 01:52:24
We don't have to wait for the next scheduled meeting if something important needs to be addressed. 01:52:31
We just get with James and. 01:52:38
And he gets with with Stephen. 01:52:41
Go on, have a meeting. 01:52:44
Now I just want you guys to remember that. So like Tim, when you looked at the managers. 01:52:46
Report and you see those costs and he signs often. 01:52:53
A $90,000 deal with Historic Corps. 01:52:56
We agreed to let him do that up to $100,000. 01:53:00
Mr. Sherman. 01:53:04
Yes, Sir. 01:53:05
Michael's researched that. 01:53:07
And apparently I do not have authority. 01:53:09
To go up to the $100,000, we can discuss it, but. 01:53:13
Looking back at the records. 01:53:16
I was not given. 01:53:18
That additional authority for the Pleasant Valley veterans. 01:53:20
So the limit is the same As for all other county contracts is less than $50,000. 01:53:23
I believe. 01:53:29
Where did we drop the ball on that one? It's it's related to ARPA, I think, from what the way I was. 01:53:30
And now that we're out of our money, we need to revisit that. 01:53:37
Brexit chairman, Members of the board so. 01:53:41
Supervisor client, there was a resolution passed a couple of years ago and voted on by this board and passed. 01:53:44
That did give Mr. Menlo the authority to sign contracts up to 100,000 with Pleasant Valley Veteran Tree. 01:53:51
And I took a look at that resolution that I reached out to the County Attorney last week just to get some clarification on that. 01:53:59
So if you look at the resolution. 01:54:03
There there are. There appears to be a couple. 01:54:07
Qualifying. 01:54:13
Things in that which is it was related directly to ARPA funds. 01:54:15
And this these projects are not going to be ARPA funded. 01:54:19
We're almost expanded with all our Arpaio. 01:54:23
And then the work session which led to the resolution. The work session was a week before this. 01:54:27
And I listened to the audio and it was. 01:54:32
It was in basically the discussion was the $1.6 million renovation to the two barracks and the admin building. 01:54:35
So that was where the board in. 01:54:41
And Mr. Menlo, we're trying to get an expedited process. 01:54:44
So currently, right now, the County Attorney believes that. 01:54:48
If. 01:54:52
That is what the board chooses to. 01:54:53
To move forward with granting Mr. Member of that permission again, it would have to be. 01:54:56
A new resolution. 01:55:01
Please let me know. 01:55:03
You know, see, that's you guys. That's that's what really. 01:55:06
Irritates me is when I send these meetings and I make a comment like that fully knowing we made that decision to let him go to 01:55:10
100,000 and then you sit here and tell me that no, it's still the 50,000. 01:55:16
I have a phone I pack accounting phone to the accounting pays for. 01:55:23
You better start calling me and telling me because when I opened my mouth and I say things, I want it to be right. I don't want to 01:55:28
sit here. 01:55:32
With my foot, my mouth and make these statements and you guys are saying here not sharing information like that. 01:55:36
That ****** me off and I don't like it. 01:55:43
And so from now on, it happens again, we're going to have some issues. 01:55:46
I want to know the facts. I want to know where we're going. 01:55:49
Want to know what we're doing and I want to know what's been done. 01:55:55
And I think each and everyone of us have a right for that. 01:55:58
As well. 01:56:02
Not to wait until we're in a meeting like this, a work session where we can finally talk about things and have this come up. 01:56:04
Mr. Driscoll, So. 01:56:17
I think we need to revisit. 01:56:23
This spending limit. 01:56:25
I really do. 01:56:26
And I don't care whether the spending limit is 50,075 or 100,000. I think James has shown a great deal of prudence with our money. 01:56:28
So if we need to revisit this and say let's just do a different schedule or we're concerned or not concerned. 01:56:38
Let's just raise the limit to 100,000 on all contracts. 01:56:45
As a suggestion. 01:56:49
And you can then therefore come to us and say the reason why we should. 01:56:53
Look at This is because. 01:56:58
The increased prices of this or whatever. 01:57:00
The 100,000 is or the pre approval is. 01:57:03
It is a pre approval. 01:57:07
We still approve that later. 01:57:09
And if we find that spending is out of control? 01:57:12
We can rein that back, but I have not noticed. 01:57:16
That, Mister Men love, is reckless with our money at all, in fact, very prudent with it. 01:57:20
And so if we need to consider raising it to 100,000. 01:57:25
To accommodate the concerns we have of PV and maybe others. 01:57:28
Maybe we should look at. 01:57:34
That, Mr. Chair, let me add something and clarify this point. 01:57:36
If James doesn't have the authorization to spend. 01:57:40
More than 50,000 whatever like you said, whatever that. 01:57:45
Is and when we're getting into these projects, that means what we have to do is put it on an agenda. 01:57:48
Bring it back in front of this board for weeks, 5 weeks down the road. 01:57:55
And get this done. That was the big thing at the time. 01:58:00
Was the fact that it just kept going on and on and on. 01:58:03
When in fact a lot of these projects. 01:58:08
You know, can can be done and then we look at it in James's report. James is awesome when it comes to keeping the financial stuff 01:58:13
up. 01:58:17
He's the best I know. 01:58:21
And so I had no no problem there. 01:58:22
My biggest problem is is when we don't have the latitude to move, we can't move, we can't do things and next thing you know, we're 01:58:24
six weeks down the road trying to get something done. 01:58:30
That's a lot of frustration level. 01:58:36
Chairman, members of the board with. 01:58:39
Considering a new resolution, I think the two legalities that are in the. 01:58:42
Original resolution would still be and Joe can correct me if I'm wrong. 01:58:47
Would be that. 01:58:51
Umm, any contract in between 50 and 100,000? 01:58:54
For the county manager, if he's given that exception for Pleasant Valley to sign contracts up to 100,000. 01:58:57
Would have to be approved to form by the County Attorney. 01:59:03
And it also would have to be approved. 01:59:07
By the board. So it would be I guess a good term that you use. Supervisor Christensen was pre approval. 01:59:10
That's basically what it was. 01:59:17
It was a pre approval, but that contract would still have to be brought up in front of the board to vote on in. A County Attorney 01:59:19
would have to approve that contract to form. 01:59:23
The idea is to just expedite. 01:59:28
The process. 01:59:31
So when it comes to PV or when it comes to. 01:59:33
Other project and I bring up the. 01:59:38
The other big project which is the fairgrounds. 01:59:41
If there needs to be. 01:59:45
And we know that we want paving done. We know we want. 01:59:47
Fence put up. 01:59:51
And it's at 60,000. 01:59:52
I don't see why, if we all sort of know that that's the direction we're going, that we need to. 01:59:56
Micromanage. 02:00:01
At 50,000. 02:00:04
I would be willing. 02:00:06
Myself. 02:00:08
To draw a new line. 02:00:09
And 100 Chairman members of the board, I'll defer back to Mr. Member, then County Attorney's office and. 02:00:11
Marion over in finance, that would be something we'd all have to agree on. 02:00:18
Or. 02:00:22
Yes, Sir, so. 02:00:25
Maybe for another day you can present why that would be a good idea. 02:00:27
Not just because I suggested it. 02:00:32
Absolutely, Sir. 02:00:33
I like your suggestion. 02:00:35
So I think we've heard quite a bit about what's coming. 02:00:38
I'm excited about what's coming and. 02:00:43
I think we still need to make some decisions on priorities. 02:00:47
And I agree completely that we don't want to whittle away the 3,000,000 so much that now we can't do. 02:00:50
A big project. 02:00:57
We start with the big. 02:00:58
Work on the little. 02:01:00
Mr. Hopefully. 02:01:03
Anything else? 02:01:04
I would just say we work on what insurance wants us to do to be able to function as a facility. 02:01:05
Read the fact Mr. Klein anymore, OK? 02:01:12
All right, So let's close our discussion now. Thank you, Michael. 02:01:17
Item 2C is Information Discussion action. 02:01:24
To consider the option of cancelling intergovernmental agreement #24-00. 02:01:28
09581 Dash. 02:01:34
Between the state of Arizona and Hewitt County for Arizona Department of Transportation product. 02:01:37
Project number CHI 053601, D slash O3D/01C. 02:01:43
Which is the Golden Hill Rd. sidewalk final phase project? 02:01:52
Under Section 3, Item 4, Cancellation of the IGA. 02:01:56
And if the IGA is canceled, he will accounting will provide the required 30 day prior. 02:02:00
Written notice at least 30 days before the award of the project. 02:02:05
Contract good. 02:02:09
Barely. Morning, Mr. 02:02:11
Mr. White, Thank you, Chairman. 02:02:14
Board of Supervisors. 02:02:17
So this is where the Golden Hill sidewalk project, obviously. 02:02:20
This, as you know, we've got the design done. We got a TA grant we put in for in 2023. 02:02:23
That we put in for for design and construction. 02:02:31
The design was the first phase of that. So we went through the design and here we are in 25 and we've got the cost estimates that 02:02:35
come in. 02:02:39
Quite a bit higher than what? 02:02:43
Our original estimate was in 2023. There's a few factors for that and. 02:02:45
One of the recommendations that. 02:02:51
I'd be making moving forward is when we put in for these grants that we put in for design. 02:02:53
Only actually the. 02:02:59
The team is thinking along these lines. 02:03:01
Is we put in for the design? 02:03:03
Get the design done and then the following year you put in four. 02:03:06
The construction funding, a lot of times what happens, especially with these grants? 02:03:10
When you get into the design, you realize they become more complex than you think they're going to be. On this particular project, 02:03:15
we have curb and gutter. We have saw milling that we're doing. We're doing a lot more. 02:03:20
You know, saw cutting of the of the roadway and patchback. 02:03:26
It just was a lot more than what we originally intended. 02:03:31
So by putting it in just for the design, first getting the design done, then you have actual cost. 02:03:35
That you can then put in for the grant and you get the actual grant amount. What happened with this is we put into the design and 02:03:42
the construction. Not going with the construction would be. 02:03:46
Construction came in significantly higher. 02:03:51
And what what ends up happening with these TA grants is that. 02:03:54
If the. 02:03:57
Actual cost comes in higher than what? 02:04:00
The grant estimate was that you put in for. 02:04:03
You pay the difference. 02:04:07
So we're paying the complete difference. 02:04:09
Of what this went over from our original. 02:04:12
Estimate two years ago. 02:04:15
So really with the estimate, it's. 02:04:18
We use 23 numbers and we're now sitting here in 25. The design was a lot more. 02:04:21
In detail than. 02:04:26
Than what we thought it would be. It was a little more. 02:04:30
Cumbersome than we thought the project would be, a lot more elements to it grows the cost. 02:04:34
And also adopt project management fees were. 02:04:40
Significantly higher than what we thought they were going to be when we put into the. 02:04:45
I think we thought it would be somewhere around 68,000 that came in at 205,000, which really kind of caught the team off guard. 02:04:49
On that. So our recommendation is we've got the design done. 02:04:55
We put in for Main St. 02:05:01
DA grant for Main Street to do the design on that. 02:05:03
So what we want to do is we want to get the design done on Main Street, We've got the design done on Golden Hills. 02:05:06
And then put in for a DEA grant. 02:05:12
For the whole thing. 02:05:15
And then we're going to know exactly what the cost is, the design is going to be done. 02:05:16
And we could do the entire project. 02:05:21
At one time and actually have. 02:05:23
The design to guide us on what that cost is going to be. 02:05:25
So that when we put that out and we get the bids in. 02:05:29
We're paying closer to 5.7%. 02:05:33
Because now we know what the actual numbers are versus what would be paying if we move forward the day, which is about 54%. 02:05:36
So our cost went up from like 20. 02:05:42
3 or 28,000. 02:05:44
To 541,000 if we want to move forward. 02:05:46
So and and to top that off, one of the things is. 02:05:50
They gave us a preliminary estimate, a dot, and they gave us a preliminary estimate February. 02:05:54
But they just gave us the final estimate. 02:06:01
At the beginning of. 02:06:04
So like, OK, if you want to move forward with it, the county needs to come with an extra $570,000. And by the way, we need to 02:06:06
check by May 30th. 02:06:09
So we'd have to actually we approve this today. 02:06:14
Somehow, me and Marian would have to figure out. 02:06:17
How we're going to get and get it over to them, but our recommendation from staff. 02:06:20
Is let's move forward with the design of Main Street and then that's put in for a construction grant to cover the whole cost so 02:06:27
that we're paying 5.7 the whole project. 02:06:32
Versus 54%. 02:06:37
Thank you Supervisor for free. 02:06:41
Yeah, this, this has been a crazy project since I've been a supervisor. There's been design and then the facilities were in the 02:06:43
way and then there was lawsuits and then there was lawsuits were settled and then. 02:06:49
Started over and we ended up with an asphalt walkway instead of concrete on the upper part. 02:06:55
And so it just continues to be a complete can of worms. 02:07:00
But I I can't. 02:07:04
Justify asking you to spend that money. 02:07:06
To finish this project because we've been without the lower sidewalk and things for for. 02:07:09
For this long, I don't see why we can't be without it a little longer because the cost is just gotten crazy. 02:07:15
I totally agree. 02:07:25
No, it's it's good. 02:07:26
Great. Thank you for your presentation. With that, I'll call for motion. 02:07:29
Uh, I'll make a motion to consider the option of cancelling your governmental agreement IGA number. 02:07:35
IGA 240009581. 02:07:43
Dash I between the state of Arizona and Gila County for Arizona Department of Transportation project number. 02:07:47
T-0536 Zero 1D/03D. 02:07:54
Slash O1C Golden Hill sidewalk final phase project. 02:07:59
Under Section 3, Item 4, Cancellation of the. 02:08:03
I will second that motion. 02:08:08
We have a motion in the second to approve. Those in favor say aye. 02:08:09
Aye, aye. Thank you. 02:08:13
We're going to table item 2D. 02:08:15
And move on to item 2E. 02:08:18
Information discussion to review. 02:08:21
Draft Public Works Department policy number PWS dash. 024 dash. 02:08:24
Which is prohibition of personal. 02:08:30
Kind of equipment and resources and draft policy. 02:08:33
PWS Dash. 02:08:36
02/5. 02:08:38
Fall protection. 02:08:40
Program Mr. White. 02:08:42
Thank you, Chairman. Board of Supervisors. I'm actually going to, if it's OK with the board, I'm going to. 02:08:43
Take the file protection one first, because I think that's going to be pretty straightforward and simple. 02:08:49
That one is we're we're making some modifications to that one. 02:08:54
Just based on the a doc. 02:08:58
Inspection that we had recently, we're making updates to that to be more in compliance with what Adosh is looking for. 02:09:03
It used to be a a. 02:09:10
A pitfall policy. We're just changing it to a standard fall policy. 02:09:14
Fall protection program, so it's a little more inclusive of what ADAS wants to see. 02:09:20
As far as fall protecting when we do the meetings. 02:09:26
What different things we cover, you know, how we mark things, where they're, where there could be slips and falls. So that's just. 02:09:30
Getting this policy more in line with what? 02:09:37
Adosh is looking for. 02:09:41
And I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have on that particular policy before I jump into the the other one. Thank 02:09:43
you, Supervisor Humphrey. 02:09:47
I have no question supervisor client, I'm good. 02:09:51
OK, thank you. Keep going. Alright, thank you. The other one's a new one. 02:09:54
And this has nothing to do with a gosh, it's really just to kind of clarify the the county has an existing policy right now where. 02:10:00
It deals mainly with vehicles. You can't, you know. 02:10:08
Not using county vehicles for. 02:10:12
Personal use. 02:10:16
If you have to take one home if you're on a call or something. 02:10:18
You know that you can't use that that vehicle for personal use and it has one little simple line in there that also says. 02:10:21
You can't use county property. 02:10:29
For your own use. 02:10:31
One of the things that. 02:10:34
That, umm, I've seen since I've been here and and I see. 02:10:36
I've seen it in a couple of different places that I've worked, but. 02:10:43
With Fleet, I'm going to call it Fleet. I know it's General Services that it's referred to, but. 02:10:48
For the Fleet Department or the General Services Department. 02:10:54
There, there's a lot of opportunity. 02:10:59
For. 02:11:03
Misuse of the county property. 02:11:06
When? 02:11:09
Only because it's just, it's right there, it's readily available, it's easy to do. But. 02:11:11
We have. 02:11:16
Employees that are bringing their personal vehicles into the shop. 02:11:18
And and working on their personal vehicles. 02:11:22
And and, you know, that's that's one of the things that. 02:11:26
Generally, the public doesn't look very good at. 02:11:31
Most of our complaints when we get these, as a matter of fact, we've had some recently, but it's. 02:11:34
It's the public that notices this. 02:11:39
And the weekends because management is not around. So what are your calls saying that? 02:11:42
There's employees working on their private vehicles in the shop, so it's a public perception thing, but I think it's also a. 02:11:47
A liability issue for the town. 02:11:54
And if we if we know that people are bringing their personal vehicles and working on their personal vehicles on the weekend and 02:11:58
working, donating. 02:12:02
And I don't know as to what degree our insurance. 02:12:07
Would be OK with that if we're aware of that if somebody comes in? 02:12:12
They're working on their personal vehicle. 02:12:16
And they get hurt over the weekend. Nobody's there. They're there by themselves. 02:12:19
And we know that and we allow that. 02:12:24
Would the town be liable to? 02:12:28
The county. 02:12:31
Cover that typically in in in government settings and I say typically is it? 02:12:32
It doesn't have to apply here, but typically in government settings. 02:12:38
Fleet personnel are not allowed to use the government property to work on their own personal view. 02:12:43
Or the equipment. 02:12:51
And I'm not talking about. 02:12:53
If you notice your your tires flat that you can't pull. 02:12:55
Carrying the tire, that's not we're talking about. We're actually talking about pulling it in. 02:12:59
And actually working on. 02:13:04
Your vehicle doing that tune up doing an oil change. 02:13:06
Or what have you. So this this is just to say that. 02:13:10
Umm, we're not going to allow that with the county property that you can't use the base or county equipment or town to our county 02:13:14
tools. 02:13:19
To work on personal vehicles, either yours or somebody else's. 02:13:26
And also we do ask that. 02:13:30
I had one question for one of the guys today. 02:13:34
That was reviewing this from from one of the shops. This is why does. 02:13:37
General Services have to sign this and not the whole county. 02:13:42
And the main reason behind that is the they're the gatekeepers. 02:13:45
Right. It's like if I were to come and pull my car into one of the fleet days, I'm pretty sure. 02:13:48
That they would question me on what the heck I'm doing. 02:13:55
Because they're the gatekeepers of General Services of that fleet of that Bay. 02:13:57
So with them being the gatekeepers, not a bad thing, it's just. 02:14:02
It's really for their protection as well, because if they have somebody, another employee says, hey, can you work on my car for me 02:14:06
inside one of these bays and say, hey, I can't, I'm not allowed to. 02:14:12
It's not allowed. I've signed saying that I'm aware that I'm not allowed someone. 02:14:18
So that's really kind of the gist of the of this policy. 02:14:23
It's really for. 02:14:29
General Services. 02:14:33
Fleet shopping with that. 02:14:34
Be happy to answer any questions that you might have on that. 02:14:36
Super fast recovery. 02:14:39
Yeah, you know, with the. 02:14:42
I guess, I guess with the incentive to help keep employees and offer education and stuff. 02:14:45
I have a question. 02:14:52
The tools that are. 02:14:54
Hex are using. 02:14:56
Is it their personal tools? 02:14:58
Most most of the hand tools are the tools of the text, so we're locking their tools up in evenings and weekends. 02:15:03
Where they can't use their own tool. 02:15:11
If they don't take them home, they're locked up in the in the Bay. Yes. OK, so. 02:15:15
If they want to tune up their own car, we just. 02:15:19
We we just don't. I got to take it somewhere else because they can't use their own tools evenings and weekends unless they want to 02:15:23
buy more tools. 02:15:26
So I get, I guess you know, the difficulty I'm having. This is OK. 02:15:29
Running a running a business out of the county shop and doing tune ups and clutches for other people. 02:15:34
I can't see that happening. I I can't see condoning that. 02:15:40
But if one of our. 02:15:46
I would like to see if there's not an insurance policy to help our. 02:15:49
Text with if they if they want to do their own breaks. 02:15:53
On a weekend. 02:16:02
Or after hours. 02:16:04
I would be interested in what an insurance policy would be. 02:16:06
To add an incentive. 02:16:11
To our text. 02:16:13
Not only to have a job. 02:16:15
And and and have a job where they can use their own tools if they want to after hours or or on a Saturday if they want to put a 02:16:18
set of brakes on theirs. 02:16:22
And prove that it's theirs, not. 02:16:27
You know their neighbors and they're not doing. 02:16:29
Great jobs every weekend. 02:16:31
To me, as an incentive to our text, I would just like to know what the. 02:16:34
Injured, if it can be injured, you know, I mean, it could get into a deal that no, it's not worth it. Maybe you've already checked 02:16:39
that out. 02:16:42
But I mean. 02:16:46
I'm just thinking of it as an incentive and we're locking their tools up on evenings and weekends and telling them they can't use 02:16:47
them unless they want to load the. 02:16:52
1000 LB toolbox in the back of the truck to take it home on Friday evening without using any county equipment to do that so. 02:16:58
Yeah, I that that's just my true sense on it. I I. 02:17:06
But anyway. 02:17:11
That's all, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Klein. 02:17:12
I like that idea, Tim. 02:17:16
I really do because I had the same thought because our mechanics are required to have a phone. 02:17:18
Tools, except specialty tools and I agree with the fact that. 02:17:23
Blown them up on a Friday evening and pack them All in all the drawer. 02:17:28
Toolbox home isn't rule. 02:17:33
Feasible. 02:17:35
But umm. 02:17:36
I think it'd be something to check into. I really do. And Tim's right, we may be able to do something and we may not be able to. 02:17:37
I don't know. 02:17:44
I don't think it's ever been looked into. 02:17:46
So I think that'd be a good deal, Troy. 02:17:48
So I appreciate the argument, I think it has a lot of validity, but. 02:17:52
How large an issue is this? 02:17:57
How often does this occur? 02:18:00
Has anyone ever been hurt doing this? 02:18:02
That you're aware of. 02:18:05
Not that I'm aware of. No one's, no one's been hurt. It's just we. 02:18:07
I think the way the policy stands now, you can't use county. 02:18:10
Can't use county. 02:18:14
So this is going to clear it up. Whatever way we go, either we're finding out that they can use it, your safety use it, they're 02:18:16
not at risk of losing the job to use it. 02:18:20
Or the insurance is too much and it's not something that we can cover. 02:18:25
I've never personally ever heard of anybody being hurt. I just know that's what the insurance is going to tell you. That's what 02:18:30
they're going to grade it on is if you've got somebody that's in the shop. 02:18:34
By themselves on a Saturday and something happens. There's nobody there though. 02:18:39
To help them out. But I think I agree with you I think it's worth looking into what would it cost to have the additional 02:18:43
insurance? It's definitely an incentive for for for the mechanics without a doubt I mean it's. 02:18:49
It's difficult for him. I mean they. 02:18:54
Bringing their tools home to do whatever they got to do on their vehicles, that's that's a pretty big event. 02:18:57
To make that happen. So I certainly understand that side of the yard. 02:19:03
And I think what? What? 02:19:06
What we're getting out here is just just to get clear. 02:19:07
Direction on. 02:19:11
Which way we go so that the employees know. 02:19:12
You know what the rules are. 02:19:16
Mr. Mann, love, you have some. 02:19:18
I'm Mr. members of Board. There is another question that will in addition to the insurance of gifting. 02:19:20
Of public resources. 02:19:27
And being able to use a. 02:19:29
A governmental resource for. 02:19:31
So that question will have to be addressed as well. 02:19:35
So if we just leave everything the way it is, are we committing ourselves to anything? 02:19:37
We don't have a policy on it now. 02:19:43
We do. It's vague. It just says you can't use any county property for your personal use. 02:19:45
And so far that has not. 02:19:53
Really been? 02:19:56
An issue. 02:19:58
If we just leave it alone. 02:20:00
Correct. We can do that if we start into approving or creating a policy that. 02:20:02
Now we put ourselves out there for more liability. 02:20:08
Right, right. I mean, you do have a policy that covers it. It's very vague. This was more specific, but. 02:20:12
You do have a policy. 02:20:19
OK, this is not an action item. 02:20:22
Correct. 02:20:26
We've had our discussion, we've had our discussion. 02:20:28
OK. Thank you. 02:20:32
All right, well. 02:20:35
Call to the public anyone here in Globe. 02:20:37
Anyone in Pace and Lisa? 02:20:40
And on the Internet. 02:20:45
How many did we have today? 02:20:46
87. 02:20:49
Wow, great deal. 02:20:51
Well, um. 02:20:53
Let's go to our reports. 02:20:56
Mr. Mann Love. 02:20:58
Mr. Chairman of the Board, I want to. 02:21:00
Welcome Charlotte and Maria is your first official meeting whereas? 02:21:02
Talk to the board and senior Deputy Clerk, the board so welcome and thank you for. 02:21:07
Being here in service to the Board of Supervisors. 02:21:11
Just also want to note that was in Washington DC this past week. 02:21:14
For the uh. 02:21:18
American Council of Engineering Companies. 02:21:20
Award for Gila County. 02:21:23
And the. 02:21:25
Design and construction of the Tunnel Creek Bridge. 02:21:26
It's great that he kind of can be recognized for. 02:21:30
That infrastructure. 02:21:33
So thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Supervisor Humphrey. 02:21:37
I met with Danielle Monette from the Governor's office on. 02:21:42
Blight and I would like to see. 02:21:47
Investors and people that have. 02:21:50
Passed on and somebody else is paying the taxes to. 02:21:52
Just passed a law that. 02:21:56
If you're paying taxes on a property in state Arizona, you're liable for it. 02:21:58
And so I brought that up and I bring that up all the time. 02:22:02
And I think. 02:22:06
Representative Marshall is going to try to get a bill this year. I just wanted to. 02:22:09
At the governor's office, know that something like that might be coming. 02:22:13
And attended the NRCD meeting on the 14th. 02:22:17
Met with. 02:22:23
Deputy County Manager O'Driscoll and team on. 02:22:26
May the 14th and Mr. Minimum was there as well. 02:22:30
And appreciate that because then I. 02:22:34
I kind of know more of what's going on in District 2. 02:22:38
And so we can kind of all get on the same page and. 02:22:42
What we want to work on and. 02:22:46
What we need to do to work on some of the things that we have going. 02:22:48
Attended Ahea County Public Safety. 02:22:52
Monument unveiling down at the. 02:22:55
Museum that was well attended. There was fly over and things that it was. 02:23:00
It was a it was a good event and then I attended SRP Salt River Pump. 02:23:06
Storage meeting on the 15th out of Roosevelt. 02:23:13
Where there? 02:23:16
Going to build. 02:23:18
Pump back late to generate more electricity and. 02:23:20
Run new lines. 02:23:23
Below Roosevelt so. 02:23:26
That's something I think they they may even start breaking ground here in 2027 on some of it. That's. 02:23:29
They're moving pretty hard and fast, as fast as Phoenix is growing. 02:23:36
They see the need for a lot more. 02:23:42
Power real fast so. 02:23:44
There's been a lot of meetings because Tri-City Sanitation is. 02:23:48
Has got to go ahead from ADEQ to start their. 02:23:52
To go out forbid for the first phase of the sewer. 02:23:56
Freeport is doing soil samples getting ready to do soil samples. 02:24:01
In Lower Miami, Claypool, Center Heights. 02:24:05
Nails area. 02:24:09
And then this pumpback thing, so it's created a lot of. 02:24:11
Meetings of things that are starting to roll in District 2. 02:24:15
So that's all I have. 02:24:20
Thank you, Supervisor Clown. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 02:24:21
Yeah, it's been a busy week. 02:24:25
But. 02:24:29
Anyway, attended the war conference in Rapid City up there. It was a good conference. 02:24:31
Well, turned out. 02:24:37
All the membership counties were there. 02:24:38
And represented and then we picked up a new. 02:24:42
New county or state? Minnesota Join. 02:24:45
They they were elected on to WR as well, so that was good. They've been working on it for a few years. So, so they're in there. 02:24:50
I've got some some stuff in my packet. When I get out I'll give it to you guys. You can review it or look at it for information. 02:24:57
One of the things that is talked about was the big beautiful bill that was in the House. 02:25:06
And the reason that was so important is because SRS is a part. 02:25:11
That bill and so be on the last day, the morning of the last day. 02:25:15
We found out it had passed the house. 02:25:21
So it's made it that far now if it'll just get through the Senate. 02:25:24
And get passed in our SRS funding. 02:25:28
Will be restored and will be good for the next three years. 02:25:32
So everybody's real hopeful of that. 02:25:35
Gentleman out of California, John Peters is our new president in WIR. 02:25:39
And Dwayne Mcfaul is vice president. 02:25:44
And there's, I cannot think of his last name. His first name's Margaret's out of Oregon. He's a. 02:25:47
He'll be the second vice president out of WR. 02:25:53
The National Center for Public Lands. 02:25:57
I don't know if you guys know him, but Gregory Nelson is the director. 02:26:00
And he's doing a really good job. 02:26:04
He has a lot going on. He had a presentation there. 02:26:06
I didn't attend. It is a NEPA 101. 02:26:10
Type presentation for all the new. 02:26:13
Supervisors and whatnot coming into WIR. 02:26:17
And so, so that was good. And then in July. 02:26:20
Of course, will be the next meeting and they'll be in Philadelphia. 02:26:24
That's a regular NACO summer meeting. 02:26:28
And other than that, that was it on that. 02:26:31
Umm, I had phone calls was. 02:26:35
On the road and stuff about our transportation board. 02:26:38
And I had a chance to talk to Troy and Alex. 02:26:43
Apparently, the Transportation Board is entertaining the fact of. 02:26:46
Delaying the Lion Springs project. 02:26:51
And putting that money to, I think, gods of. 02:26:54
Maricopa, yeah, 346 or 348 Road or whatever. 02:26:58
And but they are having a meeting coming up here in two meetings in June real quick. 02:27:03
To have those discussions. 02:27:09
And so we we really need to be in the middle of discussion. 02:27:12
You know, my thought is. 02:27:15
The Lion Springs project has been on the books for a long time. 02:27:17
We finally have reached a point here in the last. 02:27:21
Two years, let's say, of them actually getting serious and putting a lot of things down. 02:27:24
Laying it all out. 02:27:30
On and on they've had their pollute meetings in pace, in and everywhere. 02:27:32
We really need to push and say hey. 02:27:36
Only finish this one before you decide you want to tackle another one. 02:27:38
Otherwise, I can tell you we're going to keep getting pushed aside, and we may anyway. That may happen, but. 02:27:43
We need to have our say so and be in those meetings. 02:27:49
And voice our opinion on that. So that's coming up. 02:27:52
Here in June, Troy's got the dates on it. I was once a. 02:27:55
A kind of a work session. 02:27:59
And then the next one will be whether it's actually addressed and voted on. 02:28:02
Then I attended the Memorial Day celebration yesterday in Young, which is always nice. 02:28:08
I do a good job of that up there as well. 02:28:13
So that Mr. Chair. 02:28:15
Yeah, thank you. We have a small fire at the Buckhead Mesa. 02:28:19
Landfill a few days ago and. 02:28:24
Commend our crews. 02:28:27
We have. 02:28:31
All hands on deck out there along with Peace and Fire Department and Pine Strawberry. 02:28:33
And they got it out right away before it got too serious or moved on to other things. 02:28:38
Still don't know what started it, but it could have been any number of things. But they took care of it right away which was good. 02:28:44
A veterans coffee, usually trying to get to that every Tuesday that we're not having a meeting and that went well. 02:28:52
Always well attended, good group of people. 02:28:58
Attend the Memorial Day event also in. 02:29:01
Hasten yesterday, and that event is. 02:29:04
I've noticed our country is becoming more. 02:29:09
Patriotically minded where in the past, you know, it's like now we're going on a picnic. We don't, we're traveling. 02:29:12
Now there was well over. Let's take 101. Fifty people there. 02:29:18
It's growing every year and. 02:29:24
Really was nice to see that so. 02:29:27
That's all I have, so unless we have anything else. Thanks for all the input. 02:29:31
Thank you, ladies, and we, we will be adjourned. 02:29:36
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